Spiritually Speaking with Jessica & Samantha - Landing in Tulum (Just About), Holding Boundaries & Rethinking Work

Episode Date: June 13, 2025

This week on Spiritually Speaking…Jess and Sam have a much-needed catch up after a whirlwind few weeks. Jess shares all about her first week in Tulum, including an intense Temazcal ceremony, the emotional and energetic chaos that led her there, and what Spirit had to say through it all.Sam opens up about her current flow in life, business and energy, as the two reflect on how to navigate seasons of change  especially when it all feels a bit messy.In the Q&A, they answer questions around:Boundaries with school-run friends (how to protect your peace in small talk spaces)Feeling at a crossroads in career and how to lean into clarity when your next step isn’t clearA raw, real and heart-led episode  reminding us that sometimes the mess is the message.

Hello and welcome back to Spiritually Speaking with me Sam and with me Jess. Welcome back. Hi guys. I am gonna come out and say if you didn't see the Instagram story then I am very sorry it is my fault that we did not have a episode out last week. Babes don't apologize for these things it's all right. I know but I was I'm very it's extremely unlike me to like say I can't do something and I was just in the depths. I was like if I record a podcast right now sorry I'm like moving around getting comfortable and if I record a podcast right now I was like, I'm not gonna have nothing to give. Like I was absolutely exhausted.

No, definitely. But I used to find that when we were doing it weekly sometimes, I definitely feel so many emotions throughout a week that I was like, oh God, like I'm now feeling a bit flat and I've got to do the podcast. And then it does really push you sometimes. So I do think with the podcasting, it's nice to be on top form.

So I get you, Gail, but please don't apologize. The amount of times whenever you've messaged, I'm like, if we need to cancel, we cancel. It's all good. So it didn't work. We've made it work. Yeah. No, I'm glad that we had a little break.

So shall we do a little bit of a catch up because I feel like a lot has happened and changed in the last few weeks since we've recorded and also obviously our last episode was on Saturday's return so we didn't really catch up on that one either. So where are you in the world? So I'm in a new continent now. So I'm in Mexico. I'm in Tulum. Mexico. I'm in Tulum. Mexico. Mexico. And do you know what? So it's been a week and it's been a mixed bag of emotions. So I'm excited. Yeah, it has. Yeah. All the emotions that have been going on for me. This is going to be a bit like a therapy session. So it's

been amazing. I hope I can deliver. I'm sure you can babes. Now, do you know what? I'm in my rhythm now. I just think that from Dubai to Ibiza, to the UK, to Mexico sort of pushed my nervous system into like rattle energy. I don't even know what that means but I just felt like I was rattling inside my body. And I got here and a lot of people obviously speak Spanish and I'm a bit like, hola. Gracias. Is there much English there? Is it pretty heavily Spanish?

Heavily Spanish, but there is English you can get by. But like it is a little bit sort of unsettling at the beginning for me. But also I'm not like in a hotel, I'm obviously in a like neighborhood that's like people that just live here that are living like a normal life. So I'm like really in normality of Mexico. Yeah. Yeah. Which I love. So I've been sort of getting a little bit more of my Duolingo and pushing myself a bit. Um, yeah, no, it's really good. So I had like

a few situations. So I was all over the place with the flight. So basically, um, I nearly missed my flight because I left my passport in Nando's. I think I put this on my Instagram story. Um, honestly, I've just been away from the place Sam. I am a loony. No, but before you even got to the airport, didn't you fall down stairs? Fell down stairs. So I was at my mother and dad's house. I've got my new suitcases and I was like, carry just the little one down. And I had gone to Primark, got some new Kappa socks. So I was like, you know, when you go to the airport with like- What's Kappa socks?

Kappa. Oh, like little socks. No, they're sort of like sports socks, not trainer socks. The ones are a bit like- so I had- Oh, I think I know what you mean. Brand new track suit, Kappa socks, new suitcase, all ready for the airport. I felt like I was at 12 again. And I think the socks must have not had the right friction on the carpet on my parents' stairs.

So I slid, but their stairs curved, so I sort of slid down the curve and I just burst into tears. You know, like it didn't really hurt, but it was like, you know when you're just really embarrassed and even though it was my mom and dad, so then my dad was like ran straight up to me and was like, oh my God, are you okay? And I was like, and I feel really bad. I was a bit of a bitch.

I was like, just give me space. You know, when you're just so like, so blessed. But then I just went to the toilet and cried, came back out and I was like, I think I'm okay now. So that started off the day. So that was that. My nan, she's much better now. She's still in hospital. My nan's been poorly. So when I was home, I was at the hospital a couple of times with my nan. I felt like the night before when I said goodbye to her in the hospital, I did feel like, I don't know, is it the last

time I say goodbye? So I think I was just like, like I felt sad saying goodbye. Yeah, that would have been a massive, playing a massive part in all of this. Yeah. And like, bless her. I love her dearly. She's 90, you know, it's just, it's just this age, you know? So, but the fact that she's in hospital, she still is blessed. But anyways, that fell downstairs, get to Gatwick you know I flew premium economy so I gave myself a little treat so sped through all the customs and not customs you know what I mean anyway I had an Ando's left my passport in Ando's I'd been shopping for an hour I didn't even realize got to the gate and then

when I was sitting there as clear day, I got a message from Spirit that said, you do not have your passport. And I thought, check your bag. And this is where I'll be honest, I'm so grateful for the spiritual journey I'm on because I think five years ago I'd have just had a panic attack. So I was playing it cool, searching through my bag thinking thinking fucking hell. And the flight was gonna leave in like 40 minutes. Obviously they're starting to board the plane. So I went up to the girls that were like air hostess people, not air hostess, you know what I mean?

And I was like, I've lost my passport. And I started to shake. Like, do you ever have that? I haven't had that in years where like, you just go into panic mode. And I just started to shake. And then I just calmed down my breath and I was like, I will find it and I will be back. But how long have I got? And they're like, you've got 20 minutes. And I was like,

okay. 20 minutes. I'm not even joking. I'm sprinting through Gatwick in my lilac brand new tracksuit, Kappa socks. Luckily I was wearing trainers. I had a sports bra on as well. So do you know what? I just had to, I haven't ran that fast in years. Like it made me realize I'm a runner. Did you have your bag with you?

Or did you leave your bag there? No, I had my bag, but it wasn't a backpack. Because I was just thinking, I don't think you're allowed to like leave your bag, are you? So did you have your little suitcase as well? No, luckily I put that through, otherwise that would have been a nightmare. But the bag was heavy, so I'm like,

like it's made me think I could join a run club, because honestly I shook myself with my speed. Like that adrenaline. You're like imagining somebody to be there at the end, like waving the passport as a flag, like, well done. Honestly, so, and like in my head, there at the end, like waving the passport as a flag. Like, well done. Honestly. So, and like in my head, I was like talking to spirit while running and I was like, have I fucked this up?

Am I not going to Mexico? Like, and I was thinking maybe my nan's passed away and I'm just not meant to go. Like I was going, and then I was like, no, she's. Yeah, your brain's going everywhere. Cause I was like, I fell down the stairs. I've lost my passport. Like I was like, this isn't on my side.

Yeah, I'm not meant to be going. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that. And then there was some- I was just thinking like that as well. Yeah, and there was a voice in my head that was like, no, you're getting on this plane. And I was like, right, it's got to be in Nando's. Got to Nando's. The guy straight away was like, I have your passport.

I was like, thank fuck. Then I had to sprint back, made it in time, glass of champagne. Everyone was buzzing for me and yeah. You get a cheer. Well, like I was like, I found it. I found it. As I got back in, I feel like everyone was like, all right, it's okay. But I was like, I did it. It was like a little challenge. And then I was just like, oh my God. So then I ended up actually having quite a few drinks on the flight. I had like red wine, which is unlike me.

But I was just like, fuck it. Like my body has just gone through a big ordeal. Like I need it, yeah. But like I'm being deadly serious here now. If you don't go for jogs or runs as adults, right? It's not often that you run. I had run, I never seen my dad run, for example. I know your family are quite fit,

but like I definitely don't know like what he looks like if he ran, like it's been years. Like he's a fit man. But like, I just think as adults, if you're not a runner or you don't go to the gym, it's not... Yeah, why would you ever run? So it was just like this sort of, I don't know, I just was like, this is actually a good way to know that I can still run.

I felt like I was fast. I'd have loved to have seen that, to see if you actually were fast or not. I felt like I was speeding through. I was thinking, I used to run the 200 meters at sports day and I used to win. So I think, you know, there's still a little bit of that strength there. But anyway, so that was me with the flight. I then got here and then the next day I fell down a drain and this drain basically cracked and it wasn't water luckily, but I have got the most bruised leg you'll ever see.

Like literally it's purple, my foot's purple. And I cut it a lot. So I had to go into antibiotics cause I was thinking, am I gonna get fucking something? Cause like, is it tetanus from metal? Tetanus, yeah, you suppose to have like a tetanus job, aren't you, if you get something like that, if it breaks the skin, I think.

You are supposed to have some kind of antibiotic though, if it breaks the skin. Yeah, so I did go on them. I had to get a antibiotic cream the other day for River, because the kid bit her. Oh my God, I saw that. Did you see that picture? Yeah, how bad was that?

Big bite. It was a proper bite, yeah. Oh my God. I know, yeah, bless her. She got bit. I know, I hate to say it, but she probably deserved it. Well, do you know what? I feel like when it comes to biting, right,

I think they all do it, and it's just like. Yeah, exactly. You can't be mad at it because it's like, they're babies, and it's either like, they, exactly. You can't be mad at it because it's like they're babies and they're just, it's either like, they're excited so they bite or they're like, urgh, cause they're angry. And I think he was angry because she stole his toy and you know, she's gonna have to learn. So.

Oh bless her. She does make me laugh. She's a little babe, bless her. So me and River have both got wounds from random things. Yeah. So yeah, so then I feel like I just mentally was a little bit broken because I was like, oh, actually quite a lot is against me. And then I was like looking at flights home.

No, were you? I didn't know that. I'm still a bit that bad. Yeah, so on the weekend, honestly, like, so I just want to share that this life, you know, I know lots of people tell me I'm brave and whatever, but honestly, I nearly bottled it a few days ago because I was just so overwhelmed and I felt so out of place and I didn't really, I don't know anyone really here. I've made a few friends just from going out and stuff, but like, oh, I was just, yeah,

looked at flights and then there was like a voice in my head saying, come on, give it a week, give it a week and you'll settle in. So you know, on this journey of being a psychic solo nomad, sometimes I probably make it look easy, but there are definitely wobbles and I definitely had one. And then I got a nice pep talk from my dad telling me, you know, you've got this, don't worry. If you come home, come home. If you stay, you stay.

So I appreciate that. I was about to say that, like, you wouldn't be bottling it if you decided to go home. Like you've still given it a go. But I just think that you are, I think obviously I know that, you know, what you're getting into is that you are feeling a bit better now, but I just think that you are, I think obviously I know that, you know, what you're getting to is that you are feeling a bit better now, but I just think that it is,

I think I said this to you on a voice note in a week, like I think you do need to give yourself a bit of credit. Like you have done a lot and going to Mexico is a huge change from Thailand, from Dubai, from wherever, all the other places that you've been to. It's so different. So, you know, credit where credit's due, just be a bit kinder to yourself

and give yourself time to actually settle into it because it's not gonna happen straight away. Definitely, and that's the thing, but I think I fell in love the other day, so then that helped. I think I met like a Mexican Tarzan at a spiritual ceremony. He didn't speak a word of English, but goodness me.

Oh, for fuck's sake. There was Fanny Flutter's Samantha. Maybe you don't need to speak the same language. Well, do you know what? So I went to this, so I'm getting in my rhythm now, by the way, so I'm not booking a flight home. I've got my scooter, I'm zipping around, getting to places. I've gone out to dinner tonight.

I've been to spiritual stuff, like I'm all good. So, you know, we've got through week one. So if you are doing any of this stuff like I'm doing, just get through the first week and it gets better. But I went to, it's called a Temescal. Have you heard of this? No. So.

I thought I could have bought that. So obviously Mexico is like the mayor culture, which was the civilization from like, I dunno, seven AD or something like that, or seven, I get confused, but a long, long time ago. I'm actually gonna like read a book on this because I feel like this is why I'm here. Maybe audio book, probably not read it, probably listen because I'm sure if I read it, I'll zone out.

But I had a meditation before I came to Mexico. There was this woman, she was like a witch Mexican and she told me that she's ready for me. So I was like, okay, I'm meant to go to Mexico. And then I booked a flight. So like, you know, that's as that's how it goes. But so I went to this ceremony because when I was doing my research, this is what the mayor people would have done. So the mayor civilization is like they're it's mad, right? So they built the calendar, It's mad, right? So they built the calendar, like a very, very long, this is like a long time ago where resources were, you know, like the pyramids and all this stuff, right?

It's the same as that. They were astronomers and they tracked the stars, all right? Which is absolutely outrageous that they did that because what did they have? We've got telescopes, we've got technology, we don't know what they had to track the stars and all of this stuff. And they really use psychedelics as well and mushrooms and all these things. So they were really like spiritual and connect. They know stuff that we don't know and we've never found out. It's like fascinating and they have these things called cenotes here which is like these sort of a bit like a spring like an oak sort of a hole with loads of water it's really blue you've probably seen it on my instagram

things like that but anyway they would put dead bodies in there. So they would sacrifice. Yeah. And the way that they would sacrifice would be through like the taking of someone's heart. Like it was a lot of sacrificing people to the gods so that things would be okay. I'm not an expert guys, but I will be in no time once I've done a bit more research, but this is what I've been learning so far. Anyway, part of one of the things that they would do was they would go into a thing called a Temerscout. I think that's how you pronounce Temerscout. I can't, I get the letters confused in my head when I say it, but basically- I'm definitely not going to be correcting you, so don't worry. It's a small hut made of clay with a small door and the only way you can go in is through crawling and you sit in it and they bring these hot rocks in and then they add like

water and herbs and you sit in it for 60 minutes in ritual and it's like a sauna steam room, like a sweat lodge. Yeah. Is it quite claustrophobic? Yeah, really claustrophobic. I'm going to post it all on my Instagram so you guys can see it, so you get a real visual. But the man that was doing it literally looked like Tarzan or like, do you remember George of the Jungle, the Disney one? Did he have blonde hair? Yeah, yeah. He looked like George from the jungle. So like, he basically... Did he wear a top? No, he had literally just shorts on. But do you know what? I couldn't work out how old he was because his skin was unbelievable.

I wanted to just stroke his belly. I know that sounds weird because it was like baby skin. It was mad. But his face was wrinkly and he had a little bit of grey hair. So I just was like, I don't know how old this man is, but I would think I want to make love to him. Like, you know, and it's just honestly sad, but I can't stop thinking about him. So anyway, he comes up to me straight away and he's like, oh, you have a beautiful smile. And I was like, oh, thank you. He's like, no, you really do. And I was like, okay. He was like, you are beautiful too. Let me touch you. I was having had sex in a while, so maybe this is part of it.

But anyway. Oh, God, it's killing me. It's a fact that I know your dad listens to this podcast. Yeah, sorry, dad. But anyway, so he starts talking in Spanish and he's looking at me in the eye and I'm thinking, goodness me, mate, I haven't got a clue what you're saying, but I'm just going to keep looking at you. Then there was a lady translating, blah, blah.

So anyway, we went into the ritual. So we sit outside, get all prepared, say what we're going to release. Because basically what this is, is like the womb of Earth. So it's like a really feminine thing that they see it as. So people go in there when they're menstruating, when they're pregnant, which blew my mind because it's so hot, but in there, I don't know, there's all this stuff. I wouldn't do that, but I think for these guys that are experts, they obviously know what they're doing. And they prepare you for releasing a thing. So I was like, you know, I've been away from the place,

fell down the stairs, I've lost my passport, I've fallen down a drain. Like, I just need a little bit of just releasing of all of that. So I have been anxious, so I wanted to release that. Anyway, go in there, it's small, it's hot, it's steamy. They close the curtain, so there's like an arch door and they have

this fabric over it. They put the rocks in and then the curtain goes down, it's pitch black, like pitch black. The smoke's coming up, it's steamy and naturally- Oh, absolutely not. Why do you get yourself in these situations? Sam, it was unbelievable. Why? So, honestly, so then I'm sitting on the floor and he starts like doing this prayer. We then start chanting the fire like he's adding more and he's throwing this water at the rocks.

He's like hitting me in the face and I'm thinking, is it going to burn me? But luckily it didn't because I was thinking, no, in my luck at the moment, you know. So anyway, and then every 15 minutes, they open this little curtain door and then like a bit of fresh air comes in, a bit of light and you sort of reset and you sort of have all different mantras and chants and whatever.

By the third one, I'm literally like, I'm laying on the floor. You know when you can feel like the pulsations through your whole body? It was like that. Like the guy next to me is basically laying between my legs because there's not enough room, but everyone is so hot. We're literally just laying on top of each other.

You know what? I think I've seen, sorry, I think I've seen, is it Jack Whitehall? Yes. I think I've seen a comedy, has he done it with his mom or his dad or something? He did it with his dad. He did it with his dad. Yeah. So that's exactly what this is. So he lasted, I think like 10 minutes and had to get out. But yeah, so I stayed in for the full hour. Not everyone did. Some people had to go up. Yeah. And I felt like at one point I was like gagging. It was like I was going to be sick. And then I was like releasing night stuff. It was really weird.

And then there was like a woman opposite me. And like when I got out, I felt like I knew everything about this woman. It was bizarre. Back to the point where I had to say some things to her. It was like all my psychic stuff. It was crazy. And I don't do that.

I'm not that psychic. What did she say when you said that to her? She was just like, oh my God. Was she like a bit taken back? Yeah, she was like, wow, thank you. And I was like, oh, just, but it was really pushing me to have to say something. So I did.

Wow. But then as I'm crawling out, like honestly, you're absolutely fucked. Like you can't stand up, like you're on hands and knees. It's like I'm back in the monastery, crawling up to the monks. So I'm crawling out and Loverboy is there. And he's like, just stay a minute, just feel the energy.

And I'm like, okay, I'll feel the energy, babes, I'll feel it. And then he must've told me about 10 times how beautiful I was. And I was just like, do you know what, mate? You might say this to every woman, but I feel like I really needed that. And then he gave me a hug so I got to touch his smooth skin. And it was lovely. My body was sweating.

Yeah, it was like, honestly, it was like crazy, but my skin felt amazing after. Then you get into like this little pool thing, have a shower, but you're really light headed. Oh my God, I can't wait to do it again. I'm doing it next week. With the same guy? Well, I don't know, because there's quite a few of them. Like, I don't want to do it again. I'm doing it next week. With the same guy? Well, I don't know, because there's quite a few of them.

Like I don't want him to think I'm a stalker. I really did think he was a lovely chap, but you know. Maybe just try and get his number. Yeah, well, he definitely liked me. I'm not just saying that. Not maybe, maybe he doesn't fancy me like I fancy him, but I really liked his energy as a sort of, I don't know, whatever he's called in this ritual. So that's what I did, Sam. So I purged a lot and I feel amazing now. I feel

like I'm on fire. I feel very good. And I'd highly recommend anyone to do it if they go to Mexico. This is coming out tomorrow. So I'll post on my stories so you guys can see it. I should have got a picture of him so you guys could have seen him so you could have understood. When you go back, try and get a pic with him. I will do. I will do.

I will do, babe. So yeah, so that's me. Bloody hell, what a catch up. It's been a journey, but I'm here to tell the story and it's lovely to be back with you. But Samantha, tell me, what's been going on with you? Not that much, to be honest. I feel like I probably should have gone first

because mine is gonna sound not much compared to that. Geez Louise. What's been going on? There's always stuff going on in the world of Samantha. Well, that. Geez Louise. What's been going on? There's always stuff going on in the world of Samantha. Well, that is very true. But definitely nothing along those lines. What is going along?

I mean, I feel like my stuff's a lot more surface level. than yours. You've been getting, you've been really on a health kick. You're looking absolutely amazing. I have, thank you. You did a good job. I really stuck to it.

I've lost seven kg. Well done, that's amazing. I can't believe you've even had seven kilos to lose. Yeah, I mean, I didn't, don't get me wrong. It's not like I needed to lose weight, but I just wanted to get back to what I was before I had the girls. And I think I just wanted to get back to what I was before I had the girls. And I think I just wanted to get back into my clothes

and just feel that bit more confident again. So it's been really nice to do that. Me and Andy have been doing it together. So that's made it a lot easier as well. I have just made little changes, I suppose. I go for a walk every day without fail and make sure I do 10K steps a day. So yeah, never don't do that.

And then I do Pilates as well a few times a week. My food is spot on. Like, yeah, it's been really nice. It's been good to just feel good. I'm very much in my self care era. I've got my Invisalign in, which I don't know if I spoke about this last time. So if I sound a bit weird, that might be why.

So I have, yeah, straightened out my teeth. My teeth are straight anyway, but my bottom ones were just a little bit crooked. So I wanted to straighten them out. What else have I been doing in my self-care era? But that's kind of what I've been doing really. That's kind of me what I've been up to. I mean, I'm absolutely not gonna harp on about this

for too long because I genuinely feel like me talking about this is making it happen more and manifesting it more. But the kids have been really sick and that has been that this is why I couldn't speak like I couldn't speak why I couldn't do the podcast because I literally couldn't speak. I was so exhausted. It was just so full on. Like they basically had a sickness bug, which River blesser, it only lasted for a day.

Blake, it lasted for a week of just vomiting. And I ended up having to put her back onto formula. She's still on formula now. She's actually allergic to milk Blake as well. So that we have a few more issues anyway with her naturally just with stuff like that. But I had all that then what happened after that? Then they had the vaccines and Blake just had a temperature

for like a whole week. I ended up having to take it to A&E, which was stressful because obviously I had to take one of my own, which you know, you just have to get your big girl pants on, don't you? But that was quite, it just wasn't a nice experience because obviously Andy had to stay with River. And yeah, I just had to get over it, I suppose, and just go and do that.

And it's mad really because like I was a very sick child when I was little. And yeah, yeah, I've never told you this. And it's mad really because like I was a very sick child when I was little. Was you? And yeah, yeah, I've never told you this. Probably, but that's really interesting. So there's some sort of something coming through with that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

I was a really sick child when I was little. I had asthma really badly from a very young age and I've always had like eczema, hay fever, allergies, I've been allergic to milk, been allergic to all animals, you know, things like that, like just always very sensitive anyway, less than I was an adult, but very much so when I was a child. And there was a time when I was a baby and now I might be telling this story slightly wrong and my mum will be telling this story slightly wrong and my mum will be listening to this and be like, no, it happened this way.

But from what I can remember from what she's told me, my throat closed up. So when I was like, I think I was quite young, I was like a young baby and they had to do like all the tubes and intubation and stuff like that. And it was close to having to have, is it called a tracheotomy where they cut your throat open

because you couldn't get like the tubes down. I was in ambulances and stuff like that. It was obviously very stressful for her. But I was always in, I can remember being in hospital like all the time when I was the child because of my allergies and stuff. And they just get so bad that I'd have to end up in hospital. Where I was going with that is that it made me think how much my mum had to do that on her own

with me because my dad had to be with my sister and then obviously I felt like all of a sudden I was in those shoes so it kind of just made me think like you just have to get on with it don't you? But it just wasn't obviously a nice experience. This is sorry, me going slightly more into my psychic mode now. I didn't know this about you. And it's making me wonder if there's a story that you're attached to about you with childhood and that you've attached that without realizing to like that your kids would maybe be like that.

I don't know. There's something. Yeah, there's a story there. Before me and Andy had even the conversation, really, of having kids, I remember saying to him, I'm nervous to have kids because I'm nervous of them having everything that I've got

and going through what my mom went, and my dad, obviously, but what they went through with me as a child. I'm nervous to have to experience that as an adult experience it with a child because I can remember like as a kid, my mom would have a mattress at the side of my bed. And I remember her having to set an alarm

every like four hours to give me like an inhaler and things like that. Like I would have the brown inhaler, the blue inhaler, the light blue inhaler, the dark blue inhaler. Like I just had to have everything. Like I was always just a very poorly child with things like that really. So yeah, so I think, I don't know, yeah,

maybe it does come back a bit with that. Especially with Blake. With her being premature. There's just something coming through, that's sort of, I don't know, I just, there's something energetic with this film. We don't need to go too into it, it's just that it's coming through while we're speaking.

But I do think that there's a story that you've attached to that you were a poorly child, which then connects to the fact that you were gonna have children that maybe were just like, you know, and when we say poorly is like allergies or like these are these are. Yeah, exactly. And this is it. I'm not being like, I'm not speaking about like their illnesses or anything. No, but it's constant. And so yeah, I would say to you as a bit of advice, if that's okay, do you mind me giving you some advice? Please know, please go for it.

I would very much appreciate it. I would explore how you can change that story in your mind about the fact that you were a poorly child and that how like there's some fear connected to that with motherhood because what I'm sort of feeling, like I know you said it before, me and Sam had a bit of a Gabby Bernstein vibe a little while ago of over book. And she

was talking a lot about that, the energy you put out there or how things can get stuck. But I do wonder if this is a projection connecting to just when you were a kid and you were always run down and that's what, you know, you're a poorly baby and things like that because yeah, there'll be something there. And also it's bothering you, naturally it's going to bother you because you're a parent. You don it's bothering you, naturally it's gonna bother you because you're a parent, you don't want your children to not feel well, but you are sort of getting more frustrated,

like how is this still happening? There's something energetic there. We should do a little meditation or do a little bit of a cleanup to see what's going on. Not right now, obviously, but at some point. Yeah. Sorry everyone. Just.

No, I agree, I 100 But no, I am. I agree, 100 percent agree, because I look at River and she is just like Andy. She has no like nothing. You know, like I said about that sickness bug, she was sick once. Jobs are good and done. Whereas like Blake was violently throwing up and then we were. And basically she has soy milk. So then we stopped giving us soy milk, put her onto,

back onto formula and then she stopped being sick. And I was like, right, so she now got something wrong with the soy as well. Or, you know, like, it's just one of them things, but yeah, and like my skin, obviously, I've had like horrendous eczema from being a baby. And then as I've got older now, I've learned now how to like obviously manage it.

But I know my mom said she had to sew socks onto the end of my baby grows because they didn't have mitten ones at that time to stop me from scratching. Cause it was so bad. And even as an, like, as I'd got older, it would be so bad. My skin, like I can remember at times it would be so bad, my skin.

Like I can remember at times, I'd been able to turn my neck, like turn my head, sorry, because my neck would just bleed. It was so painful. That was when I was in Dubai, even that as well. So I was not even that long ago. Yeah, yeah. It's very interesting because you're a Virgo rising as well,

which like a few of my Virgo rising, my Virgo, the Virgo rising, well, which like a few of my Virgo rising, my Virgo, the Virgo rising's, listen to this and you're all quite similar in a sense of with the body, like there's so much with Virgo about the body and the fact that it's your rising, which is your first house, it's like, there can be a lot of pressure connected to the body and health and all those things. So I do think there's something more on a soul level. Cause I do think little souls that have this, something to work out.

Yeah, it was interesting because since having the girls, I've been able to have milk, which is, I've like not really been able to have milk at all in my adult life. I still don't have it like, I would never have a coffee with milk in it because that just would give me anxiety. I think that would still give me a bad stomach to be very honest, but I can have like chocolate and I can have a bit of cheese on something. I even had a pizza like not that long ago. So

I can actually have things with milk in them now, ice cream even, and I've got no issue, like my skin will flare up just a bit, but nowhere near to what it used to. So I'm definitely, my body's definitely been able to tolerate it now. But yeah, so I've had that obviously going on with them, which has been difficult because there's been sleepless nights, there's been, it's just been a lot, like I won't sugar coat it. But like I said, I genuinely really can't be asked talking about it that much because even though just have. But just because I'm just sick of it. Can I just say one more thing? Your Chinese medicine acupuncture lady,

you should speak to her and maybe see what she does with kids as well. Oh, interesting. Yeah, yeah, I would go and speak to her. Surely she's not gonna do acupuncture on a child, is she? No, but there'll be other things, acupressure and other things they can do to help. Obviously they're babies, but there are other,

acupuncture is one form of many methods of Chinese medicine. But I would book in and see her and I would explain about your childhood and I would explain about the girls, more so Blake, and see what she can do because I think she'll be able to help you. That's my instinct there. Yeah.

Oh, amazing. One thing that I've just remembered now, because I'm sat in bed recording this, it's late here, but I'm not in bed because it's late, I'm just, anyway, just sat in bed. And he's downstairs, so I'm sat in bed. Is I can remember going on holiday with Andy, must've been about 10 years ago now, and I get allergies, I'm allergic to certain washing

powders and this hotel that we were staying in, the bedding I was like allergic to, my whole body was in a rash. I had to sleep in like leggings and like a long sleeve top and like up to my neck. It was so bad. Yeah. I know. Anyway, so yeah, so I've had that obviously going on,

which is by the by. The same week, right, that that happened. So yeah, literally the same week that that happened, two of the girls from the salon told me that they were leaving, which normally that would sound like, oh my God, that is the girls from the salon told me that they were leaving, which normally that would sound like, oh my God, that is the worst week of your life. And it wasn't like that at all,

because actually it's kind of been, it's been the best, put it that way. It's for the best. Like one of them is moving home, she's homesick, she's never really fully settled since she's been in Dubai. So that's kind of, it's kind of like a bit of a blessing because I'm not worrying about her getting settled here. And then the other one has got a really good opportunity

to be an educator in something that she's always wanted to do. So I was like, yeah, like I get it. So no like bad feeling or anything about that, but it's just more the paperwork that comes with it. I've actually already recruited someone else though, so that's good. What the babes, look at you, you're very good with these things.

I am, I'm no messing. So yeah, so just, yeah, like I say, just a bit more paperwork on that side of things. I am putting a bit more pen to paper with the Pro Academy and trying to make that happen a bit quicker. Now, not quicker, like just try to actually make it happen a bit more, I've kind of put things on the back burner for a little while.

But, obviously, what's the moving then? We're going home in two, just over two weeks. It feels like I'm moving home, so I'm going home for seven weeks. It's a long time. Seven weeks, that is a really long time. And the more time I keep, the more time I tell people and they go, whoa, seven weeks.

I'm like, oh, seven weeks. So I didn't really think about it in terms of like being away from here for seven weeks. It's quite a long time, isn't it? I think what's different though is obviously cause Andy's a teacher, he's off for a lot of that where I guess for a lot of people, sometimes their partners come for two weeks

and then they have to go back and then they have like two weeks on their own where you've got a long chunk of it with Andy. Yeah, so it'll be good. So yeah, we're going home and I have actually upgraded our flight to business. Have you? Well done babe, it's good for you. Well done babe, good for you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We have all the points and I've been saving up the points and I have manifested it 100% and I know I have. And because I contacted them ages ago because we have the points and they were like, no, it's full, it's full. Every time I contacted them, they were like, it's full. And Andy was like, oh, that's a shame.

And I went, no, no, we are doing it. And he was like, well, how, if it's full? And I said, I'm telling you, it will happen. And we will get two seats together and it will happen. Like it will. And then I just went on the other day, messaged on the chat and was like, can I upgrade the tickets to business using these points?

And they were like, yeah, no problem. We've got two seats sat next to one another. Amazing. Made it happen. Yeah, so buzzing about that. So that'll be a bit easier at least. Yeah, just a bit more space for the girls. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, that's kind of all I've really had going on, I think.

Don't think I really have much else going on. Yeah, no, it's still a lot. It is. We've obviously got Father on, I think. Don't think I really have much else going on. Yeah, yeah, no, it's still a lot. It is, we've obviously got Father's Day this weekend. So, Andy's asked for a lie-in. No enough, but I think we have that. Yeah, so we'll have a lie-in. We'll do something nice on Sunday. And then the following weekend,

we're supposed to be going on a stay-k, but I might cancel it because it's right before we go home and I like to get organized. Babes, see how you feel? Give yourself a bit of luxury, why the hell not? Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. That's kind of all I've had going on,

which is not too much, but I suppose, yeah. Hear in there. Yeah, love it. Well, I think that was a great catch up, babes. Lovely to hear what's been going on. Yes, we have some big questions. Okay, let's get the tarot cards ready. Oh yeah, get your cards ready.

I've actually got them next to me, but I'm ready. Okay, good. So I'm just going to have a little bit of water actually before we get started. Oh babes, you have a bit of water. Because I'm always the one who reads these questions. Get your vocals ready. Yes. La la la la la la.

So with the questions that we are going to answer, they are 100% anonymous. If you want to ask us a question, if you want a bit of guided advice from Jess with the tarot cards or a bit of straight talking from me, please send us a message in our bio. There's a link on Instagram. We are at SpokeSpeaking.com podcast and you can answer, put in, sorry, your anonymous question there and we will answer it in the podcast. So we've got a few different ones here. Jess hasn't seen any of these, so I'm the one who reads them basically and that's them all. But yeah, some of them are quite long. So let's get stuck in. I've actually given each of them a little title

as well. Oh, Samantha, look at you. I know. Yeah, just organized. So this is what happens when I have an extra week to prepare for the podcast. True. Nice and organized. Okay, so the first one is, I've called it a career crossroads. Ooh, okay.

Okay. Hi ladies, I love the podcast and I'm a day one listener. I wondered if you can help me please. I'm struggling at the moment to know what direction to take my career in. I'm a solicitor working in family law, divorce, child contact, etc. and have always worked in this area for around 10 years. I've always been highly

conflicted about whether law is where I belong and over the recent years I've thought about transitioning into another area of law with less conflict. I'm personally one of the least confrontational people that you would ever meet and therefore being embroiled in conflict on a daily basis is draining everything out of me. I went through my own divorce in the last few years and while I'm very happy now in a new relationship,

my work is bringing back horrendous reminders of the feelings I experienced, which is also draining. I'm in a position now where I have built a reputation for myself in this area and I feel like I will be throwing everything away that I've worked so hard to achieve to go into another area and start from scratch again with limited knowledge. My firm is recruiting for a solicitor to join their wills and probate department and I think I want to apply for it and go for it. I wondered if Jess could pull some cards please to help give me some clarity on whether I am just seeing the other

role as more appealing because family law makes me so anxious or whether it would actually make me happier. Thank you so much in advance. Oh, okay. So let's summarize. They're a solicitor in family law, which is that must be intense dealing with especially I should be in Dubai, which is that must be intense dealing with, especially I should say in Dubai, but there might not be, but just in general, like that sort of legal stuff must be very triggering, especially if you've gone for 10 years as well. Yeah. So I get that.

And so there'll obviously be something karmic there that you've sort of come back to help people with that. But maybe the fact I find when you're drained from anything that is telling you that like it's no longer serving you. So that would be my first thing to say that like, you are on track, you're finding that this isn't working. Maybe the other job is just like the first door

that's opening and there's other doors that could open. So let's have a little look and see. Yeah. Oh, we've got really nice cards here. So we've got the ace of cups, the king of pentacles and the queen of ones. Okay. So I think from a financial perspective, obviously this work is, you know, you're going to get paid probably quite well.

Um, you're still going to continue to have good money. I think if you are worried about your financial situation, Spirit is saying not to, but you are being offered something that's more like emotionally aligned for you is interesting because I actually feel like this could be something more in-house. So it might be that there's actually a role that's connected to sort of someone with legal skills in a completely different sort of industry or something that wants somebody in-house. And I feel like you could do that. I don't think that it's a waste. Like when you sort of said, you know, I'll be starting from scratch, you won't be starting from scratch. You've got experience, you've got skills and

they're transferable. So they will move into something else. So like change that mindset because that's not true. That's just a limiting belief that you've made about change, which is what a lot of us do with change. If we make a bold move, we can feel like it's like, you know, it's going to be like you're back 16 on three pounds an hour. That's not the case. It's transferable. And that's what spirit are saying here. I do have the queen of ones. The queen of ones is the more spiritual babe. So you do need to do some manifesting with this. And you know, maybe this, the pro pro bait or wheels one opportunity is there, but it's not fully concrete. So it's not

Velcro to me. it's not sticking fully. So if you do get it, it might just be a stepping stone. But I do think you need to go into a place of like really kind of dreaming a bit or visualizing what can you do with these skills and how could you help people in a different way. I do think it's important that you help people because I think you do care. It's just the politics of this is what's the issue, the politics of the legal staff and whatever. So I would say, yes, leave this job. Really, really put the energy out there to what it would be that you want to do because it's possible and it's going to be really emotionally fulfilling because it's the ace of want to do, because it's possible and it's going to be really emotionally fulfilling because it's the ace of cups. But yeah, it is the end of your career here in this element of law, but not the end of your career at all. It's the start of something

very exciting. Yeah, I literally completely agree with everything you've just said. I think that when you are feeling such anxiety about a situation or, you know, you're feeling so drained, I'm trying to find the exact words that you use there. But I just think that is literally your body saying to you, this is not for you anymore. And I also think the fact that you went through your own divorce at that same time as well and then you're going back to having reminders of those feelings, it's so many signs being like this is not for you anymore. And also like Jess said, you're not going to be going back to scratch, starting from scratch.

I think that maybe someone else has said that to you and that's kind of what your inner dialogue is saying to you because maybe someone else has said that to you. Maybe they've not even said it to about you before, but maybe you've had conversations with other people where someone else has done that. Maybe you've said it about somebody else before, like, oh God, I can't believe they've given up that job and going to start something at the beginning again.

And just change the way that you think about things like that and see it as an incredible opportunity to be able to do something different. And you're just pivoting into something slightly different. You're still gonna be using the skills that you have and that you've learned, but I think that it's great to change and change things up. Yeah, do you know what? As you were speaking,

it made me think of what someone said to me the other day. They were telling me like, oh God, the way you live your life, it's, you know, all it takes is one person to make a change. And that's an invitation for everyone else to then be able to do it. So sometimes when you make these changes, even though it might feel like a bit of a scary

thing, actually once you do it and it works, others tend to follow because they see that it really works. I do really think there's something in-house somewhere for this person where they'll have like- So you mean like another company? Yeah. So I used to work in insurance. We had loads of lawyers that worked as claims managers.

So they sort of worked the hardcore lawyer job with solicitor and then they sort of moved over to insurance, they had a lot more balance. You know, it was something that worked quite well for them. Less emotionally draining as well. Yeah, so I sort of see something appearing like quite, quite good in that way. It could be a bit of a curve ball.

I'm not saying it's gonna be insurance, but that's sort of the vision I'm seeing from Spirit cause it's familiar to me. So yeah. Yeah. Well, good luck and let us know how you get on. Yeah. So our next one, we have boundary talk.

That's my title, Boundary Talk. Okay. I've started a small business with a friend and I'm starting to think it was a rushed idea. I really struggle with my self-esteem and don't stick up for myself as I don't like confrontation. I feel that my friend can be quite rude sometimes and makes comments and the energy doesn't feel balanced.

I'd like to know if I've made the right choice and what the energy is around the business and the partnership. Wow. Babes, I'm gonna be honest, you've answered your question yourself. Go on. You've literally, you've just said,

I wanna know what the energy is around it, but you've said that you don't like the way that your friend is making you feel, your self-esteem is low and you don't feel like you are sticking up for yourself. Well, firstly, you shouldn't be having to stick up for yourself if you were in a good business with a friend. Yeah. You know what I mean?

So I feel like you already know the answer to this question. I'm not gonna say that you've made the wrong decision because I don't believe that anything is wrong. I think that there's a lesson to be learned in everything. So I think you've absolutely not made the wrong decision. You've just tried something that hasn't maybe worked out the way that you hoped that it would,

but it's gonna have taught you something which will lead to better decisions in the future. Yeah, I think so. I can really relate to this. I worked for a friend when I moved to Dubai and I found often that I used to get spoken to in not a very nice way and I definitely lacked boundaries at that point in my life. So I can really relate to this question because you can feel very stuck. And I think when you struggle with boundaries and to speak up, it generally feels like there's no way out, but that's the feeling. It's like, how am I going to survive this or manage this? You know? So that is quite difficult when you feel like that and I totally get it.

But this is also something that's trying to teach you something, okay. So I imagine that your lack of boundaries has been going on for way longer than this and this is now what spirit have brought to you to have to really face it. Now I do think that you may have to sort of, I don't know if it's fully step away, but I do think you need to build out your own sort of path with this that might not be with this friend. And you may have to come to some acceptance that the friendship might have some damage from it. It's okay that these things happen.

And as much as it's not very nice, just like how it felt for me, it was awful. It took me a really long time to recover from that. Sometimes these things have to happen and there'll be a big lesson for both of you in it. You have got cards that symbolize more burden with this, so it is burdening you and I think you're lacking confidence. So I feel like this friend is maybe more bossy and because you haven't got as much self-belief you sort of

believe what they're saying or just sort of don't believe that you're worthy enough of speaking up or whatever it is so I actually think this is just a lot of deep inner work here and obviously I don't know your circumstances and all these things, but I would say a few things you can do. If you're part of the psychic circle, there is a throat chakra meditation. I would do that because your throat chakra is blocked because boundaries is all about your throat. And doing that will really help. But I also think that, yeah, you might have to get uncomfortable and by getting uncomfortable could be really transformational for you.

And I don't think you've ever done this in your life. I don't think you've ever spoke up. This person feels like they've always let people take over and you're smart, you're very capable, and you can do this on your own. I love that. Yeah. I like when, it's awful when stuff like that happens,

but I like, I love seeing the change that comes out of it, and hopefully this person can really, you know, harness that energy of everything that you've just said there. I really hope so. And I think when you're on a spiritual path, right? Like, you know, it's much easier to look at these things in that way,

because, you know, even like on the weekend, like I said to Sam, I was having a bit of a wobble on Sunday and I was thinking, do you know what? That's it, I just think like, maybe my business is just gonna stop. Like, I had this fault of like, what if no one ever, ever, ever wants to have a session with me again? Like, you know, it's just one of these little voices that appeared. And do you know what? I was all over the place. It was silly. I was anxious.

I was foggy. I had a lot going on. But in that moment, I sat with it and I was like, spirit, what are you doing here? And I was like, what are you trying to show me? What is it that I need to do? And I find that when I just go and sit with Spirit in those moments where I feel quite stuck or overwhelmed, I might not get the answers straight away, but they will start to appear. So even the fact that you've put this question on,

but yeah, you're right, Sam. When you sort of step back, zoom out, everything can be solved, you know, in some way. Absolutely. And you'll end up being grateful for the situation. Yeah. You will, because it will end up teaching you so much about yourself. And like you said before,

it's gonna force you to deal with these issues head on. Yeah. And then you won't let it happen again. Yeah, definitely. And it's the witch wound. When it's the throat chakra, it's the witch wound, which is what so many of us women struggle with, which is voicing the truth, because we struggle with that.

And I think even like somebody who comes across as a strongest person has dealt with things like this. Yeah. More often than not, the person who it is that's being like this to you is probably got someone else in their life that's like that to them and that's why they're projecting it onto you.

Well, they can be quite insecure, the other person. Yeah, exactly. That's their way of having control. You're both teachers for each other in this situation. Definitely. Yeah, absolutely. Well, good luck. And again, let us know how you get on. Because I would be intrigued to find out. Send us a message on Instagram or something like that if you don't mind or, you know,

on the anonymous box. So, our next one. I've lost my title for this one. Oh, thanks. We move. we move. Okay. So, I'm having reoccurring issues with a mum friend, which also overlaps into a small group of mums with kids in the same class.

She's the ringleader, outwardly the, in quotation marks, perfect mum, who always saves face. I was the one she let her guard down with over the one and a half years we've known each other. The friendship changed when another mum joined the group. She's nice, we don't vibe that much, but there's no issue. They created a new WhatsApp group without me and our original one went quiet. Despite me trying to initiate meetups, they'd either ignore or respond after the fact with a thumbs up, which I'm sorry, just to interject there, I hate a thumbs up. I

feel like I hate that. Quite aggressive, isn't it? Anyway. Yeah, I think so. I just, yeah, I do not like a thumbs up. Anyway, yeah, I think so. Yeah, I do not like thumbs up. Anyway, around this time, I got a job and hired a nanny for mental health support. They don't have help and seem proud of that. I feel judged mainly by the main mom. She made it clear that she didn't agree with me taking the job and then ice me out. There's more but in short, when I I'm struggling she's there to save me when I'm doing well I'm excluded. Our kids are best friends and I've tried confronting

her but she gets defensive and it was all just swept under the carpet. Now things feel hot and cold on her terms I get anxious at pick up and drop off unsure what's been said about me. All the parents have started acting differently. It's a lot to deal with and I'm unsure what to do. I did genuinely enjoy their company. Have I done something wrong? Thanks ladies. Okay, that's a lot.

This is such a toxic feminine energy that's around this person. Yeah. Really horrible. Like this is what we we've been taught to do as women is like pit against each other and isolate people and not communicate but just cut someone off or whatever. And it's such a shame because actually if we were all a bit more able to work through that stuff

then this mean catty stuff wouldn't happen. So let me pull some cards on this to see what energy comes through. But like, I don't think these are people you need to be friends with. That's exactly what I was gonna say. I was gonna say personally, I would just remove myself from that situation.

If you're feeling anxious, if you're feeling, if it's upsetting you that much, personally, I would remove myself from that situation. If you're feeling anxious, if you're feeling, if it's upsetting you that much, personally, I would remove myself from that. I know you've said your kids are best friends, but your kids can be best friends and you can have a surface level friendship. It doesn't need to go any further than that. Then like, oh, so and so wants to do a play date

or whatever, or birthday party. Like, you can still, you know still converse in that way and not be best mates or close friends or whatever that go for coffee or whatever. I think personally, protect your peace and remove yourself from that situation. And if it's not serving you, then don't do that to yourself. Definitely, so I completely agree. We've got the page of cups and the full and the page of ones. Now, if when we get more than one page,

it tells me that change is needed, okay, because the page is still learning a lot and the full is new beginnings, okay. So I think that there are new beginnings that are needed with this. I do think this is actually something more about you than them because I think you want to be validated by them. I think there's something about being accepted

by these people and actually like they're not the people that you actually relate to. Now this could go back to like teenager, inner child stuff where like if she's kind of the perfect mom, maybe a bit of the it girl trying to sort of be in that group, there is something that may be in your past that you weren't in that group or there was some wounding connected to that and you're sort of replaying that story in adulthood. This happens a lot with moms at the pickup, which is very interesting because yeah, it really does happen a lot.

Back at school, you know, so that's the energy that comes through on a soul level for this. There's a little bit of healing, I think for your teenager inside you that needs to really sort of look at that. I do think that this is an opportunity to step away from these friends.

I don't think they're serving you. I think it's okay that your kids are friends, but I think you just have clearer boundaries. If you actually have clearer boundaries and just accept that these aren't people that you want to be friends with, I think you will feel more powerful. Where at the moment, what I'm sort of sensing from the energy of the words that Sam said, you kind of feel a little bit like left out, you want to be part of it, it doesn't feel fair. Instead of stepping into your worth and power and sort of really being like, do you know what? That's not the sort of people I actually want to be with. And that's a form of self-love when we do that. And I think that's what's

needed for you right now. So it might be uncomfortable. This is probably a little bit deep. This is deeper wounds for this person, I would say. So sending lots of love to you for this because it might bring up a bit of inner child, teenager healing. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I think where you've said as well,

you've described them as the perfect mom. It's really interesting that because outwardly, this is your words, outwardly the perfect mom who always saves face. But really that's you describing them as that. So like, you know, like what you're saying Jess, it's like, it kind of is, you know, are you looking at them as like the,

what you just, what you would see as the perfect mom. Yeah, absolutely. And you know, I do feel- And like why you are actually looking at them like that. Yeah, because you know, the perfect woman or the perfect mom is a myth, you know? It doesn't exist. And you know, especially with the amount of work

that I do with so many women, you know, I can meet the archetype of the perfect woman. Uh, and that perfect woman will have many, many insecurities as to why she's externally perfect or shows up in a perfect way. Um, so actually being the vulnerable, real woman is way more enjoyable and real and what we should more strive to be, in my opinion. Yeah, absolutely. Also just a little caveat in there, you put in there as well,

I got a job and hired a nanny for mental health support. Babes, you can get a nanny. Don't let anybody make you feel bad about that. Yeah, don't worry about that. Do you know what I mean? And that judgment, when people judge on an epic decision you make for your family or your life, that's something they wish they wanted or felt like they could do, but they've got

their own- They wish they felt like they could do 100%. Honestly, babies, I think get the help. That's what would have happened. A long time ago, we wouldn't have all been doing this on our own, we would have had a lot of people helping us. Also assuming that you live in Dubai as well, like it's very normal here.

You don't have your family around the corner, the chances are, so you don't know. Just be a little bit kinder to yourself. Yeah, absolutely. Don't let them shame you or if they are, then don't listen to it because it's absolutely ridiculous. I couldn't function without my nanny. I absolutely love her.

She's part of my family. Like, and I'm very proud to say that because by having her, it means I can do this. I can sit on this podcast because I have energy to do it or I can go to work and all those things. I'm not ashamed to say that at all and you shouldn't be there so don't let them make you feel like that. Can I just add one thing to this person and look into the maiden mother crone concept okay so it's the archetypes of the woman so this woman to me feels like a maiden So I know she's a mother cause she's got children, but she has maiden energy,

which is being in this place of societal acceptance. So the maiden is perfect societal and ticks all these boxes. And what happens is we then evolve through different versions. So the maiden is kind of like the teenager. We then moved to the mother, which is obviously, either birthing a child, but it also can just be birthing something else, which is more wisdom. There's more depth.

And then you go to the crone, which is the old wise energy of a woman. So look into that, and you will understand that this person is in maiden, you're probably in mother, you're just not aligned as archetypes. It's very fascinating when you explore that stuff. Yeah. Well, I hope you get on okay with that one.

Yeah. But thank you so much everybody who's written in with your questions. We do love them, we love being able to help you. So if you're listening to this and you're thinking that of anything that you have to ask, please, please, please write in your question in our anonymous question box,

which you will find on our Instagram. And I think that's it for this week. Do you know what I'd say as well? Even if you have a question that's not about your life, but you are wanting to know something about past lives or you wanna know something about astrology, or you're interested in like asking questions about the fact that I'm psychic,

or something about Sam's life. Like if there are things that like you wanna learn as well, please put them in as well, because we're happy to answer them. Yeah, I'm glad you said that. Yeah, definitely. I completely agree. Maybe I'll write in some questions for you.

Yeah. Well, also we'll put it on the Instagram so people know and then we can sort of, you know, if you want to find out some stuff, we're also open to sharing that. Well, I am. Yeah, absolutely. No, yeah. Yeah. Just, you know, you say that I can. I'm not joking. No, I am. I'm up for it. I'm up for it. I'd say more on this bloody podcast than I do in most things. Yeah. It's hilarious really.

You forget that people are even listening. Then when I get the email, like how many times it's been downloaded this week, I'm a bit like, oh shit. And I genuinely feel like this has become exposure therapy for me, because I used to hold so much shame in my body for so many things.

I feel like this is where I can just talk and be and be real. I just feel like I've shedded so much by just having that transparency in that way. Yeah. Well, I'm glad. Love that. Thanks, babes. Yeah. Well, thank you for listening please do all the things that you do for a podcast like rate, like, rate, subscribe sorry it's getting late here that's

getting to my bedtime, tell a friend please and share it with people. If you want to get us on Instagram she is at jessicamarie underscore holistic. I am Samantha green dot TGH and we are at spiritually speaking underscore podcast. Thank you so much for listening and we'll be back again very soon. Thanks guys. Lots of love. Bye.