Spiritually Speaking with Jessica & Samantha - Saturn Return in Real Life

Episode Date: May 22, 2025

This episode is for anyone moving through their Saturn Return — or feeling the slow, steady shake-up that comes before it.Jess and Sam sit down to share the raw, real, and deeply personal truths that came up during their own Saturn Returns. From the breakdowns in relationships and identity, to the quiet rebuilding that happens behind the scenes — this is an honest reflection on what it really means to grow into yourself.With Jess’s Saturn in the 6th House (health, work, boundaries) and Sam’s in the 7th House (love, partnership, self-worth), this episode offers two powerful perspectives on navigating the intensity of this once-in-29-years transit.You’ll hear:– What we were forced to face– The patterns Saturn made us break– What we learned about work, love, and self-leadership– The one thing we’d go back and tell our younger selvesIf you’re in your Saturn Return, approaching it, or coming out the other side — this one’s for you.

Hello and welcome back to Spiritually Speaking with me Sam and with me Jess. Welcome back. Hello, welcome back. We have just been chatting about how we pre-recorded the last episode so we haven't actually recorded for a little while. It feels quite strange that it's been almost a month. But we're very excited to be back and we have a very special episode which we have wanted to record for a long time and we're going to kind of dedicate the whole episode to this

topic which you will already know what it is because it will be in the notes, won't it? The name of the podcast. Yeah, the title. That's it. Do you want to explain it a bit better than I will? Yes. So welcome to this episode which is going to be all about our Saturn return. For those of you that are following us and been listening from the beginning, we've obviously mentioned it. We've given you updates throughout, but we are now at a very significant point where we are about to come to the end of our Saturn return.

We're almost to the end of our Saturn return. Okay, well almost the end. We made it. Yeah, so we wanted to kind of reflect on it. We have come up with some questions. And also I think this will be an episode that many people will wanna share with people of a certain age going through these things because I think this is exactly what I needed

just before I went into my Saturn return. Yeah, and I didn't even know that really what Saturn's return was when I was going through it. And it was really funny actually, the other day I was sitting, I was interviewing someone and she was telling me about this time in her life and all these things happening. And I just looked at her and I went, how old are you? And she like smiled at me and like told me

her age and I was like, it was your son's return. And she was like, Oh my God, I've heard about this. And I was like, this is what it is. Like, it's literally like, you know that do you ever watch? I'm a celebrity, get me out of here. You know, that last challenge that they do and they're like, everything's being thrown at them and there's like water and then there's like all these fire and whatever it is, that is like your Saturn's return. Definitely. Isn't it?

It's an intense experience, but I think that what I learned is it's not as bad as people make out. I think that like the pop culture of astrology doesn't do a Saturnin return any favors. And for those that are new to listening, if you've sort of been shared this, I'm a psychic and I also work with astrology with all my clients. So like I am deep in this energy daily and I believe at times sort of the world we live in like TikTok and all these sort of socials can really sort of scare us with astrology. Nothing is bad. Okay. And everything that happens is happening for you, not against you. And I think when you look at your set and return in that way, it can

be like the most transformative time. But yeah, it is like, I think it's called the cyclone in other celebrities. Yeah, that's it. the cyclone, yeah. It is like that, but I think when you're prepared and you're able to look at it in like a productive way, you can enjoy it, okay? Oh yeah. But there is of course, you know, hardship in anything we do. So just sort of a little caveat there.

So you sat in return, what is it? Well, basically it happens every sort of 28 to 30 years of your life, okay? You sort of have a peak point where you will be in your exact Saturn return. Now for me, it was quite early on in the transit. So it was really at the beginning that I had the intensity of it. Sam, yours was midway through because of where Saturn was when you were born. And maybe for people that are a bit younger than us, maybe 29, 30 would have been experiencing it at the end of this transit.

So even though it's for two and a half years or two to three years, there will be peaks for each individual at different times. Now, if you're listening and you're not that age, this is a great time to look back at 28 to 31 as to what was going on. Or also, if you're older, 57 to 60, because this does also happen a second time. And also, if you're even older, it can also happen a second time. And also if you're even older, it can also happen a third time, around 87 to 90. So this is a theme that happens really every 30 years of your life. And it's a really powerful transit that really shows you, I guess, the lessons and the karma of this lifetime that you're trying to work out.

And now Saturn's a planet and Saturn is all about sort of discipline, structure, responsibility, your foundations. You know, there's a real sort of sense of like really getting you to find your true purpose and power. Okay. So when this transit happens it's going to heighten that. So what a Saturn return is, is basically you think about the day you were born, Saturn was in a certain part of the sky and it takes 30 years to move around. So around that time when it comes back to that exact spot, there will be this sort of deeper lesson of Saturn, which is these life shifts, this responsibility, your foundations. So you see with a lot of people at this point in their life, they question

a lot. Maybe there's like, they leave jobs, there's separations. They're like, who am I? What do I really want to do? Like you really see these themes at this point with a Saturn return. And a lot of people quit like the daddy planet because Saturn has like the daddy energy. So it's like, you know, lots of things can come up about your, your own dad and your own father wounds. And it's like the more disciplinary energy of the zodiac, the planets. So when you think about that, it's like there's a bit of a tougher energy to life. So when it comes to like your job and say you're not happy, you might find it not as soft how the

change happens. It can feel harder. It can feel heavier because Saturn is here to get the job done. It doesn't have that motherly, maternal energy which softens the change that kind of nurtures you through it. Saturn doesn't do that. So that's why I think Saturn has this reputation of being a really difficult, hard time because it's a little bit more like, come on, get on with it. Face this. Yeah. And as you like a lot of the people that I know as well, like, because obviously we are at the age where everybody, all of our friends, like, you know, that we went to school with, for example, have all been going through it as well at the same time,

similar times anyway. You can really see it in everybody in terms of how it's been different for them. And I think that in every single case that I have seen, it's always been for the better. Like it's always been teaching them a bigger lesson and getting them to somewhere where maybe they wouldn't have gone to or, you know, it's made them, it's forced them to do things. Like you say, it's not had that softer approach. It's like push them into, to come in a certain way or leaving a job or whatever it is. And when you think about this on a soul level, like we are here to, you know, make an impact

in some way in this lifetime, whether it's our own karma, to help people, whatever it is. And Saturn is going to push you on that path because that's where you're meant to go. Now, I think what happens for a lot of people is they don't listen to their intuition. They don't listen to the soul. They fight it. So maybe they've been in a relationship that really doesn't serve them, but they're so scared to be on their own, that actually like that relationship becomes like the most heaviest part of their life because it's not the right thing anymore, but they're not willing to leave it. You know, so it's like, and Saturn will be like, come on, leave it and we'll show you so many reasons why it's not good for you, but people choose to like ignore it.

And if you ignore Saturn, like it will just come back and bite you in the bum through the next cycle. So like do the work, you know, look at this, because if you do the work, you will receive the rewards. And that's what this is all about. So, sorry, excuse me. So Saturn is currently in Pisces as we record this now in two days time, it is actually going to move into Aries. Okay.

So there will be a whole new cohort of Saturn returners that are about to start. Yeah. Now Saturn will retrograde back into Pisces at the end of the year, just for a few more months, which will be a really good opportunity for people like you and I to just check over all the work we've done with Saturn. So like a retrograde is really helpful, but then it will fully go into Aries. So when we think about our Saturn returning piousies, Saturn is obviously discipline and structure and all these things. Piousies is spirituality, it's faith, it's intuition, it's surrender. They don't necessarily go together. It's not really a combo that is like, oh yeah, they work. So there's a real learning of bringing discipline

to spirituality or responsibility to your faith, or there's this real sense of bringing that to a more grounded way, which I think many of you would have witnessed with my work. I've really sort of built something, I've built the foundations of my spiritual business and my spiritual life and Saturn's helped me with that, you know. If I didn't have Saturn, I'd probably be floating still, maybe not doing this podcast very regularly

because I'd just be like, oh no, I don't want to commit to that. Like, you know, I can help so many more people now because of Saturn. So it had to teach me a lesson in that way. But what he's moving into is Aries. Okay. Now Aries is such a different energy to Pisces. It's self leadership, it's courage. There's a bit more oomph with Aries. So Saturn's going to be helping them with their impulses. You know, is these things, you know, are you pushing too much? Is this the right thing? It's going to really help you with your identity more. You're going to really sort of understand how you are as a leader. There's going to be a lot of like healthy energy to your Aries traits that maybe aren't as healthy right now, because Saturn really does bring that up to light.

aren't as healthy right now because Saturn really does bring that up to light. So these are people that are sort of 28 now, 29 sort of will be going through this. Now, if you're listening and you're thinking, well, I'm not in my Saturn return, but I would really be interested to know where Saturn is. You can go and look at astrology charts. I also can read your chart for you. You can book in a session to understand more about your Saturn story, because when you work with Saturn, it can really be amazing. So that's what I wanted to share there. And then also your Saturn return really does sort of, it will have an added story depending on the house that you're in. Okay. Now I'm not going to go into loads of detail for this, but I'm going to share the houses that mine and Sam Saturn return has been in because the questions we're going to ask, you'll sort of see how those parts of our life have been affected. Okay.

So for me, I have Saturn in the sixth house. Now your sixth house is health, it's routines, it's your work ethics, it's your service to others, it's your daily routine in so many ways. And of course, because it's Pisces, it's a spiritual approach to my health, my routine, my work, my service. Now for Sam, it's in her seventh house. Now your seventh house is partnerships. That can be marriage.

It can also be business partnerships. It can be one-on-one relationships. And it's also how you relate to others. Okay? So for Sam and I, when we were born, our souls decided that I was going to have to learn lessons on health, routine, work ethic, and service. And for Sam, her lessons is in one-on-one relationships, partnerships, contracts, how you relate to others. Yeah? Samer- Yeah, 100%. I agree with that. And it's just, obviously we already know what each other have gone through through this time. But it's just fascinating to me that that is the case because it's so spot on, isn't it? Yeah, it is. And obviously then you look at a chart.

And so with my chart, I've got a lot in Scorpio. So Pisces and Scorpio have a lot of, they talk to each other a lot. So then that adds a whole other layer to my astrology chart and this Saturn return. So there is so much to it, but once you start working this out, and this is where an astrologer will help you, like you might be listening to this thinking, well, I don't know how I'm going to work that out. You don't need to. You can see me or there's other astrologers to help you understand this so that you can build your roadmap for your Saturn return. So it's really cool. So a few notes that I've put just as like, you know, how you want to look at this or how I've looked at this is embracing the discomfort a lot more.

Okay. Um, this is an uncomfortable transit. And I think that we get so used to just wanting to be comfortable, uh, that it can really sort of show us discomfort is good. It's not a punishment, it's a teacher. I really do believe it really makes space for you to have endings so that new things can come in. And I think when you realise that it's much easier. It really helps you get clear on your boundaries and your responsibilities and your long-term goals so that you can build

a legacy. There's something about the future that you're building for this. And I think that it also deepens your spiritual connection in my opinion. So it's really, really powerful. So there's our little intro. I know I spoke a lot, but hopefully that makes sense. If it doesn't, don't worry. It's not all meant to make sense. You're not, you know, you might be listening thinking, oh, that's quite a lot of information. Don't worry. It might be that you come back to this in six months time when you're a bit more in your set and return.

It will come to you when it's meant to. I also think again, like saying about if people are listening to this, you've already been through it, going back on it and reflecting on it is probably like a form of therapy. Definitely. And understanding why you went through what you went through at that time. So I think that that's also something just to bear in mind.

And also Saturn will bring squares into your chart every seven years. So like every seven years, years. So like every seven years, you will feel some of this theme coming up for you. So allow yourself, so you know, seven, 14, 21, 28, 35, 42, 49, like there's also, you know, do the math guys, seven times tables, but like those ages, you will have these things come up again and again. Like Saturn will always be showing up in your life, but these are the sort of the peak moments. So yeah, it's very cool. Okay. Should we ask questions? Yeah, let's do it.

Okay. So I'll start. I'll ask you, do you want me to ask you first? Yeah, go for it. So if you had to sum up your saturn return in one word or sentence, what would it be? I actually haven't thought about this word. I would say actually like life changing for me. I know that's two words. Yeah. Like 100% life changing. I do think like the dress that I met at the when you know, what did we say we were we were when we first met, so we would have been just going into our Saturn's return versus the dress now.

Unrecognizable. Completely. It is mad. Absolutely unrecognizable. I wish I could have just sat you down then. It's funny, isn't it? Obviously, especially with like your job and your job is to see like you you can see these things, but. You were probably so closed off to it being the way you were so closed off, probably to your life being the way that it is now

that you couldn't have seen what you know, what this was. I mean, I hoped for it,, but it really has been life changing. Yeah. Just as a little synopsis for somebody who doesn't know, let's say, where were you at the beginning and where are you at the end? I'd say at the beginning I was completely lost. Had no direction in my life. I just was deep in my emotions, disconnected from the body,

just doing my work in service but to my own detriment. It just sort of wiped me. Yeah, I just didn't know who I was. I didn't know who I was. I didn't know who I was. And now? I know who I am. I feel like I like who I am. I think that I realized I have discipline. I realized that I do work hard, but in my own way, in a way that hasn't been taught, and I had to find that. And that I can run a business successfully.

I never thought I could do that. That I could do this work and make such an impact in other ways, other than just readings. And really connected to the body has been a big thing. So yeah, like so huge change, huge life changing, like you say. Yeah. Like I, I am so grateful for this two and a half years. It's been amazing. I've mainly been doing it in Dubai. So lots of you have been witnessing this journey. So yeah. Yeah. What about you, babe? What word or sentence would you use for saying my word would be intense. Yeah, very, very. And again, it's like a little update if you don't, if you just, you know, listening to this episode, you don't know

much about either of us. At the beginning of mine, I was working an insane amount and I just felt like I'd made that my personality to work, work, work all the time. Like we're talking 12 hour days, just work, work, work, work, work and struggling with infertility. And then, and I didn't know where I wanted to go. I was very, very headstrong and very focused, very goal driven, and not emotional in the slightest. And now I would say that I am much softer in a really nice way and more comfortable or becoming more comfortable with my emotions. I have my babies now after going through fertility treatment and I am much calmer and happier with where I am than chasing for that next thing.

Yeah, and obviously for you in your seventh house relating to others has been the big theme for you. So there was some lessons about that. So like being more emotional, you know, being more sort of present in those ways, you know, that would have been a big thing for you to focus on. So yeah, absolutely. So how would you say your Saturn's return has impacted your relationships, whether it be romantic or not. So I have had such a breakthrough with friendships, relationships over this Saturn return. So I also have Venus in Pisces. So Saturn had a chat with Venus over this transit. Now Venus is the way you love. Venus in Pisces can love with rose-t tinted glasses. So I think for me, there was a lot of things I had to explore about seeing the best in people when actually that may have

not been the case. Now that's love, that's also friends. And I think that I had to really explore that. And I think it was actually really hard for me to face a lot of that stuff, to like really sort of think I actually got that wrong or that doesn't suit me anymore. Like there was a lot with that. Like there was a guy that I met, I think the day my Saturn return started, who, you know, definitely had to bring up a lot of my stuff with seeing someone, you know, it was like I would see them on a pedestal and then Saturn was like, no, they're not. And I, you know, that was hard for me to see that because I then realized I got it wrong. And so there was a lot with that that I had to work out. I think with friendships, it was boundaries.

That was the biggest learning that I had to face was boundaries because again, with Pisces now obviously we all know I'm very Pisces. I've got my son there as well. Like I, I can be a bit of a pushover, which is something that I've really had to explore. Like, why do I allow people to treat me a certain way? Because I don't really want to upset anyone. So like, you know, I'll sort of put up with certain things in friendships that certain said no,

because Saturn taught me about self-worth. And I realized that like, some friendships won't serve you and you might need to speak up. So that was really hard for me because, you know, I don't like uncomfortable conversations. I don't think anyone does, but sat and taught me how to have them. And I think then with friendships, certain sort of friendships, they either went away, like they're not in my life anymore. Or there's a clearer understanding of the friendship because I put those boundaries in. So I think that has been amazing because then I actually can just enjoy like socializing. So I actually struggled to

socialize because I felt like I lacked so many boundaries. I would never say no, you know, that sort of stuff. So there has been like a huge transition for me with that stuff. And actually I feel like I'm coming out of this Saturn return with a bit of a toolkit now that I never had on like how to approach dating, like how to approach like going into a relationship, you know, how to like manage my friendships now, like it's been really good for me. So I'm very grateful for that. Now for you Sam, obviously yours is happening in this part of your chart relationships and one on one. So how do you feel that it's impacted you?

Oh, where to begin? So I would say my relationships, so I feel like with Andy, my husband, we've been together since we were like, I was 17 when I met him, so we've been together a very, very long time, but it brought us even closer, which I didn't really think could happen because we've always been like a very tight knit relationship, but it

brought us so much closer in a sense that we had to communicate even more because we were both going through so much with the infertility that, and we didn't obviously tell those people. So I probably worked on my communication in a sense where with him, that we became such a good unit of communication. I obviously confided in a few people about the infertility and what I was going through. And that was obviously very helpful as well.

And I also was dealing with grief. So that was quite hard while I was going through the Saturn's return. And then I became a mom at the same time. So it was a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot. Yeah, definitely. And I think like for you, it would have been Saturn would have been really pushing you to like get really good in your one-on-one relationship. So that with you and Andy, for example, like it would have been forcing you to have to communicate.

And you see with so many people that they don't wanna do that. And that's where things sort of can go, you know, different directions, you know. So it is giving you skills that you didn't know you needed, you know, especially if you've been to a long time. Yeah, it's having like hard conversations sometimes and conversations that you don't always wanna have,

but you have to have and really understanding each other. And we are very fortunate obviously, that then that worked really well for us and brought us even closer together. But that's something that I've definitely learned a lot more to be more aware of communicating with him, his feelings, things like that. So yeah, no, it was big, I would say.

In terms of like walking away from any of that, I would say, and like realizing that it was time to let go during that time. I definitely had some communication and like relationships that things that were very stressful through that time. So things like with certain staff members that was very hard to like manage different people's emotions or just different situations with staff members that are then left or just different experiences, I think like new experiences, experiencing somebody leaving for example,

and how that happened and how to deal with that. And then I had a massive ordeal with my landlord for the salon space and dealing with him throughout the whole thing and having to really take away my initial reaction. My initial reaction is to just fight and to be like fire with fire and you know, like not standing down and actually just to take a step back and see it from a different perspective was really important. And as again, probably friendships as well, like realizing which ones serve me and which ones don't. And also that it's okay to take time to reply to a text message. Like

I'm one of the people I reply like straight away because I'd rather just do it straight away and then I've not at the end of the day got loads of WhatsApps, you know, but it's actually fine to just not reply straight away or wait a day or so. And that's so like that there is nothing wrong with that. Whereas before I would have felt like I couldn't do that. And the same with when people are constantly saying to me like, oh, let's meet up, let's go for a coffee. And I'd look at my diary and think, I haven't got time for this because I've got this, this and this. And I'd look at my diary and think, I haven't got time for this because I've got this, this and this. And now I've learned to prioritize other things first

and really take care of the friendships that I value the most. Yeah, I think I can really relate to that, really putting in the energy to the things that serve you. I think it shows you like with friendships or like staff, whatever it is you've got going on, like the people that are important becomes more highlighted. And it's interesting because even when you said like your landlord, like the seventh house can also be sort of those sort of contracts or sort of those dealings, like business partners

and those things. So yeah, it's interesting how that that has all happened for you. Yeah, it's like I say, it's been a wild ride to be honest. Do you feel like you walked away from any friendships or anything like that during that time? So I definitely walked away from friendships, but I also feel like I walked away from a lot of my life, you know, like I left Dubai, you know, that was sort of in the set and return like sort of realizing this isn't somewhere I want to live. I have walked away from lots of things over the last few years that don't serve me. And actually once I've walked away, it's been the best thing ever, but it's just felt difficult to make that decision. But even like for a while,

obviously I really stopped reading, so I let go of that for a long time. And they're sort of coming back in different ways now. But I've definitely got comfortable with letting go of things. The decision to leave Dubai was actually quite impulsive, which is usually the case with me, because it's intuition. So it just comes through, decision made, feels right, off I go. But I had to let go of my residency. I have a suitcase now, right? And I'm pointing to the room that this suitcase is in and that is all I have. I have no other stuff. I don't own anything other than my property in the UK. I don't even live in it, but I don't have furniture. I have my Macbook. I have my tarot cards and I have a small amount of clothes now. I let go of all that shit that I always was attached to. And like, when I first moved into my flat in England, right, I was obsessed with next furniture. Like I had the most immaculate

flat and it was like everything from the coffee table to the nest of tables, to the dining table, to the bedside table, everything matched. Like was obsessive how much I was attached to things. And then when I moved to Dubai, I very quickly bought things again. And I think we do that here and it's such a materialistic consumed part of the world. Yeah, you just absorb that. part of the world. Yeah. Yeah. You just absorb that. But like I have hardly anything now. I feel so free. Like, you know, and I know that I won't live like this forever, but I definitely think like you don't need a lot of stuff. No, you don't. I've definitely let go of stuff that I have decluttered my life. Like I moved into my satin return with so much clutter and crap with stuff, people, relationships. And I have absolutely decluttered. And actually I've never really

fully reflected on that until I'm speaking now, because I always say to people, God, I've just got so much space to move into now, like energetically, it's like I've just got so much space to move into now energetically. It's like I've made room for this next phase of my life, which I couldn't offer for that crap. I was attached to my Stanley Cup for a long time, babes. I remember someone saying it to me and I was like, God, I am. That was so funny. So yeah. It is so easily done though. It's so easily done to become attached to stuff. I actually think back now over that time and I have never had so many like clear outs

as what I had during that silence return. I moved house as well during it and same thing. I got rid of so much stuff and I've cleared out my wardrobe more times than I can remember. Yeah, because Sam does take things away. He does sort of remove what's no longer serving you. And I think that like, you know, clothes, hair, cutting your hair or like, you know, stuff that's satin will take that away if

it's not really serving you, but to bring more, to bring other things. You know? Yeah. What do you think for you that you've let go of, whether it's people, things, friends, let go much? A lot. I probably, yeah, probably say a mix of everything, but I think letting go of probably more control, more than anything. Samantha, that is a lovely answer.

Tell me more about that. What does that mean? I think letting go of control, knowing that I can't control things and that what I can't control, there is no point stressing over or being upset over because I have not got control over that and that's okay. And things are going to happen and they will continue to happen and I need to become comfortable with that I've always had so much control over my life when things happen how things happen even with things like you know I will control

like for example when we moved house I chose the house you know I mean like Andy's not bothered he's literally the most relaxed person I chose the He never even saw it. Like I have so much control over everything in my life. So to just kind of, I've just relaxed with that and just had to go with the flow. You know, I want you to have babies at a certain time on a certain day. And I mean like pre-fertility treatment. I was like planning it in my head, like I'm gonna fall pregnant this month because then I'll give birth at this time and then this will work well

because then we'll go on a holiday at this time. And it's like that none of that happened. Everything was taken out of my control. And then funnily enough, even when I then obviously did fall pregnant, I then had this date that I was like, I really want them to come on this date. And then as it got closer to the time, I was like, you know what, when they come, they come. And they did come

on that day. But that's just, you know, that just happened the way it happened. But that was obviously meant to be their day. But I think I just have released a lot of control. And I feel like I'm proud of myself for that. You absolutely have and I've witnessed that because I think we've rubbed off on each other in different ways, but I've definitely, I know I've pushed you out your comfort zone with things like that. Even like when we had a break from the podcast. Yes, I remember that.

Like thinking a week or two and I'm like, no, like at least a month. No, I was thinking like a week. Like I was not thinking long. And even when you were like, oh, we're gonna start recording every two weeks. I was like, what? Yeah. So like, yeah, that was not in my nature at all to be like that. Like I'm a million miles an hour all the time. And I just have had to take a step back and just accept that things happen out of your control.

And that's okay. Absolutely. And I think that I've just wrote a note while you were speaking because I do think another thing that Saturn has taught me and you, and is something that I will continue to learn is surrender. Because I think that like there is an element that you have to surrender to things. And actually like with the date of the girls, I remember you obsessing over it and once you just let it go and you surrendered, it happened anyway. And I see that with so many clients, especially with fertility, especially with love and all these things, like once surrender happens,

or even that moving house, whatever it is, as soon as you surrender and go, oh, fuck it, when it happens, it can move forward. Because it gets stuck. But it can't when you're like so rigid with it. Yeah. I used to say this to you with Sam, I struggled to read for you because you manifested so hard

that I could only see your manifestations in the energy. And I was like, there's all these other things. But like, you know, so it is interesting that like, you know, so for you, it was actually a more internal sort of thing that sort of your side of life, where for me it was probably more external of letting go physical things, stuff. Yeah.

For you it was more mindset. So we keep swapping, like it's nice. I like it. Yeah, we do. Yeah. Because I was thinking with the friendships and connections, I was like, for you, that was more internal in a sense of like you reflecting where for

me it was actually like people coming in and I'm sort of pushing the boundaries. Yes. It's just an interesting reflection. Okay. I'll ask you this one. So what lifestyle change did you make that you feel like you were finally like adulting? So like the lifestyle that Saturn's brought to you. So mine would be buying a house. Yeah, like really putting roots down. Like I have the salon, so fair enough. I suppose that as well and extending the salon as well. I bought a house,

had babies and just being responsible for so many people. Like I have, I think I've got 17 employees now to date. So I'm very responsible for a lot of people. So I think for me that feels very adulting. Yeah, that definitely brings responsibility. And again, people, one-on-one people things. So yeah, how interesting is this? Yeah, that would be mine. What would be yours?

I would say mine has been more daily stuff. So like really cutting down on alcohol, stopping coffee, really coming back to the body. So obviously like the tantric work, sort of being in the monastery, going into the meditation, like I feel like I have deepened my spiritual practice to like a whole other level. And it's there 24 7. This is not just like a thing. It's everything to me. It really is like everything. I could not live life without the discipline of my spiritual practices. And then they're not like really full

on, I'm not meditating for hours. It's not that, but you know, but even I've just been here for work for the last few weeks and I just, I didn't socialize, you know, old me would have, but I'm like, no, my daily routine is important. If I'm in service to people, I have to honor that and make sure that I'm my best self. So that means not really having a social life when I work, you know, things like that. I've sort of really worked those things out. But I think like with the body, so like being so psychic, I've relied on that through my whole life

and I don't listen to my body or I didn't listen to my body. So now there's been such a shift in like getting comfortable in my body again. And I speak about that a lot on this podcast, but like, it's not about being fat or thin. That's not what this is about. This is about, you know, does this feel good? What food feels good? Like, am I eating because I'm sad? Like there's so much emotional things I've worked on and looked at. And you know, sort of, I never thought I'd be able to sort of look at that stuff. Which has been quite, like it was really difficult. And obviously sat in the sixth house is the body, is health. So I feel like, you know, I've been reflecting

a lot of my twenties and I've, you know, my mental health in my twenties was pretty shit to be honest. I was an anxious mess and there was some really depressive times, like more so my early to mid twenties, sort of up to about 27 really. And like I drunk so much alcohol over that time. And I wonder I felt like that. And I wonder if I didn't drink alcohol, would it have been as bad? I don't know. But like now I feel, you know, I still drink every now and then it's not like I'm completely sober but it's very rare now. Like, and, and I've noticed that I'm happier. I actually think alcohol just makes me sad. I really do.

Yeah, it obviously affects everybody differently and like certain foods and drinks anyway affects people differently, but I think being aware of that is massive. Yeah, and I wasn't, I just sort of, you know, so it might not look external the changes, but it's been very internal and like, I'm really grateful for that because I needed to work on that. So yeah,

that's what I'd say from a lifestyle perspective. So what did you value before and that no longer resonates with you? No responsibility. I loved not having any responsibility or commitment in my life. I valued that so much. I was so free and flowing and with work, I didn't really sort of, I didn't have a routine. I just worked as and when it felt right. And it was something that I loved to be really honest with you. I remember when me and Sam were going to start this podcast, I literally thinking, fucking hell, every week I've got to commit to this.

Like I have no weekly commitments. I had none. And obviously we've compromised with two a month, which is the perfect balance. But like now having commitment is really important to me, you know, and commit into the days I work, um, committing to clients. Like, you know, I have three month packages, so I've got to commit to that person for three months. I, the fault of that, you know, two years ago would have filled me with dread, you know, where that's not the case anymore. So I do think that is something that like I valued

lacking that responsibility. And now I couldn't imagine life without that commitment, that responsibility. And I see how good it is for me. And actually makes my life way much better because I was always scared if I commit, what if I don't feel like I want to do it or whatever, but now I've learned boundaries, if it doesn't feel right, I can say no, you know? So I think it was also to do with that. So I would say that.

And yeah, I think that's the main thing for me when I sort of fit in that. What about you? Mine's very, very similar, like, but the other way around. So I feel like before I had to have, like, my diary was fully booked all the time, like with clients, because I was doing hair. And then since stopping doing hair, I've then struggled to have more free time and be okay with that. And I'm now learning that it's okay to have a bit of time downtime to like think, reflect

or whatever it is or work on myself or just different things. I don't know, like not having to be so busy all the time. And I would also say I'm a lot less materialistic now. Yeah, I do believe I am still materialistic. Like I think that I am the type of person who does like nice things. Like I do, I enjoy buying clothes. I enjoy buying shoes, bags, whatever it is.

Like I am, I'm not saying I'm not materialistic. I'm a lot less than I was before because before I did spend my money on designer handbags and things like that and shoes. And I got a massive kick out of that. Whereas now I'm probably a bit more bothered about experiences or things like that. And maybe it will change again at some point,

but I think I definitely feel a lot less attached to material items anyway. That's really good. And I think that again, yeah, that is very certain to not, that doesn't fuel you a bit. Like when I was saying with food, like for me, food would be a fuel to like an escape, to get something emotionally. So like certain teaches you like, is that really like you've, it's like, as if there's an energetic hole, I decide to put food in it.

You decide to put bags in it and certain goes, but why don't you fill it with like work, like inner work? Like, yeah, why is there a hole there? Like, could you fill it with like love and like self-worth and boundaries? And, you know, so I do think that like, you know, we escaped through all these external things and sat and makes you face it. So yeah, I love that. And this question, oh, sorry, go on. What'd you say? No, no, no, no. You go. I was going to say this one's quite similar, but like, what does success look like to you now before Saturn return? Yeah, very much the same as what I just said, just a lot calmer now. I don't

need to have everything. I'm very happy with what I have. I have really felt the benefits. I've always loved helping people, but I think that I really can see now how much I have to give. Maybe because I do have a bit more time now, I can see that a bit more and I can really see the impact that I can have on like my staff, for example, my clients, I mentor any kind of community that I've built. I really love seeing the impact that I can make and it's really made me think of success as more, more of like what I can leave behind and what I can really, the impact that I can make rather than just how much money I can make. Yeah, no, I get that. I totally get that. I think for me it's similar.

I would say that success to me, when I would look at people that were successful, it would be that they were rich. And I think this is just a young mindset, but I'd be like, oh wow, they've got the big house, the car, whatever. And I would really, especially in Dubai, I get really like, oh, wow, they've got like the big house, the car, whatever. And I would really, especially in Dubai, get really like, wow. And then I think now for me, success is freedom, which is something that I absolutely have

in every element of my life. Freedom with commitment. You know, it's like the balance that I've now built. But I think like for me, success is being able to make a decision and do it. So like whether it is travel or something in your work, like those sorts of things. But time as well, like I'll be honest, I don't want to work every day of the week. It's never been my vibe. I don't think it ever will be. So success is the fact that like my parents are here

and I'm with them fully, other than recording his podcasts, like I get that quality time with them. So that's also success. Where I do think, before my Saturn return, that was still there, but it was more like external factors.

Need an external validation. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. And so what would we tell someone who it's just before they're going to start their Saturn return? What advice would we give to someone? So I would say, uh, booking an astrology reading with

somebody first of all, and understand where this Saturn return is happening for you and to prepare yourself for it because I was so prepared for my Saturn return. Um, and I was actually thinking before when we were chatting, I kind of went back to the first sort of six, seven months of my Saturn return. It was fucking awful. Like, you know, it really was like, I remember feeling so heartbroken with that guy. He like really like betrayed me. Work was slow. And I remember thinking like fucking hell, like what is going on? You know? and actually because I had been studying astrology, I was surrounded by people that were obsessed with astrology, which really helped. And they were all wise women. So I do feel like I was able to maneuver that hardship in a much better

way than I did like five years ago because I had no support around me. So astrology reading, spiritual sort of community. I also think like, like sort of look at Saturn as your best friend. Like don't look at him as your enemy. Okay. Because I think, like I say, this sort of culture of like Saturn return is awful. Like I said, I did have a shit time, but we all have shit times. We all have good times. Life is ebbing and flowing constantly. But I think like it's an opportunity to change your life.

Like really is. Like it is absolute opportunity to take responsibility and actually build something that you wanna build. So, you know, that would be another thing I'd say. And what else? Journal. I have journaled throughout my whole Saturn return. I have got a whole book of transits and days of where I felt certain things. And I would look at the progress and decisions I made and I'm really happy that I journaled. So I'd say that, but also like, don't give up, do the work. Do not be frightened to do the work because

future you will be very grateful. And I say this all the time to myself, the life I'm building, future me is going to be so happy that I've done this. Like when I've got kids and you know, I have time to be with them because I've built a business in a way that means I can be really present. I love traveling. All of this has happened in set and return. So future me will be grateful. So constantly connect with future you to say, I'm building this, it's going to be all right. What about you, babes? Second, everything that you've just said, I'd just say be open to change, ride the wave of it.

And it's not just you who's going through it, it's everybody who's a similar age to you. So, and be kind to yourself and just kind of, I suppose what you've said, like, you know, have a reading with somebody for an astrologist and also try and understand it a bit more. Definitely. And what you said before, sorry, where you said like, it's not happening to you, it's happening for you and just keep looking at that. Yeah, completely.

Because it is happening to you. And when you look at it on a soul level, you can detach a bit more and realize, okay, I need to make these changes. This is more karmic. This connects to my past lives. There's so much more that you can explore with Saturn. And it is amazing. And I'm ready for Saturn to be over. I'll be honest with you. I'm sort of done with my Saturn return. But I'm very grateful for it. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Same very, very much the same. I'm ready for it to be over. But yeah,

I am grateful for it because I like me more now. Yes. Same. And I'm grateful for the fact that like I've chose to do the work because life is way much easier. So much easier. I agree. So yeah. Well, thank you so much for listening, guys. We hope you've all managed to get something from that. And if you have any questions, please just message us on Instagram or whatever, but just get in touch because we love helping people with

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