Spittin Chiclets - Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 558: Featuring Kevin Hayes

Episode Date: April 28, 2025

On Episode 558 of Spittin Chiclets, the crew is LIVE to talk all things playoffs. Kevin Hayes joins to recap the first round so far. Bizzy bets continues to hit, Whit’s oilers close out game 4 to tie the series up in cinematic fashion in Overtime. Capitals take a big 3-1 lead heading into game 5. The battle of Florida heats up with the coaches getting in on the chirping. Lots to talk about, TUNE IN LIVE at 11am eastern to catch it all. You won’t want to miss it. 00:00:00 - START 00:04:50 - Edmonton Vs. LA 00:27:32 - Kevin Hayes Joins the Show 00:30:20 - Montreal Vs. Washington 00:47:18 - Winnipeg Vs. St Louis 01:01:18 - Battle Of Florida 01:17:22 - Colorado Vs. Dallas 01:24:54 - Minnesota Vs. Vegas 01:35:45 - Battle of Ontario 01:46:50 - New Jersey Vs. Carolina, Pasha Joins the Show 01:57:15 - Quick Hits Support the Show: PINK WHITNEY: Take Your Shot with Pink Whitney GAMETIME: Download the Gametime app today and use code CHICLETS for $20 off your first purchase RHOBACK: Use code CHICLETS on https://rhoback.com for a generous 20% off your first purchase through the end of this week NOBULL: Visit https://nobullproject.com/chiclets for 30% off your entire order.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/schiclets

Hey, spitting chicken listeners, you can find every episode on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon music. Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed to the jungle that is Boston sports. Our white whale Sydney Crosby. Shave his head. Shave his head. Shave his head. Ryan Whitney, Paul Bissonnette, R.A., Mike Grinelli, spitting chicken. What is up, folks? Wow, what a tune there. Welcome to episode 558 of the Spit and Chicklets podcast.

We're back live. Haven't done this since last year's playoffs. Very exciting, very exciting. Biz did about 15 games back to back this weekend. Yan's been watching hockey. I'm rocking an oiler shirt after that big dub. Biz got the lease. But before we get into everything, let's talk about Pink Whitney.

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It's 70 degrees in Boston today. I'm home from Florida. What an amazing vacation. And I had some pink Whitney on there. So thank you so much to everyone who drinks it. Take your shot with Pink Whitney. The playoffs are on crack. So thank you so much to everyone who drinks it. Take your shot with pink Whitney. The playoffs are on crack. This is fucking nuts. It's absurd. And I said the other day, like, I think I've said every year, wow,

this is the greatest first round in Stanley Cup playoff history. But no, no, no, no, no, no. I take it all back. This year is madness. And it started maybe a touch slow slow maybe just that first day last Saturday but all of a sudden the madness began and now every single night I'm just on my couch like this I'm just amazed shocked and awed at what we're witnessing Biz take us through your weekend because you were literally in the studio for I think 38 of 48 hours well first of all you should be kissing

my ass for getting the Oilers back in this series. Buddy, I ain't kissing anyone's ass, bro. They got to be. The LA Kings, they should be kicking themselves. You brought up that no team has come back from a two-goal deficit in this year's playoffs, so thank you for bringing it up, but that's not why we won.

We won with heart. Oh yeah? And we're at TNT Studios and Shaq walks out and I said, the only thing that's going to bring the Edmonton Oilers back in this series is Shaq Hyman. I said, would you do us the honors of coming out in this segment? He goes, sure.

Shaq Hyman comes. What a segment. How about the helmet? What helmet? It looked like a helmet you'd get a cup of ice cream with at the Red Sox game, then like us putting that on. But it was an extra large bower. They sell hockey helmets at Red Sox games now.

That is a perfect description. Hey, his stride looked exactly like Biz's towards the end of his career. It was incredible. And I think he even lifted that puck that he shot on net. He came in Jack I'm a baby. He did get some leverage. Yes I would say that his stride was a little longer than than the one towards the end of my career. That's for sure. Um

Honestly, I wasn't even that tired going through that fucking gauntlet of games because of how exciting they've been Every game trumped the last game as far as excitement and storylines and chaos and fans going crazy online, whether it was Tom Wilson pissing everybody off again. You think they want Chara arrested for his hit on Patcha Ready? They're gonna want Tom Wilson in solitary confinement for the rest of his fucking life

after the hit he put on Carrier. So it's just been remarkable, the production, the swings, the goals, the hits, the fights on the bench, you name it, we got it. Hockey is on a heater. I know we, like you said, we've said it in the past, this is the best playoff we've ever seen, this is the best season we've ever seen.

It's exceeded expectations, goalie controversies, you name it. So I mean, Yans, I'm sure you've been glued to the couch watching all these games. What have you made of it? I know you guys give me a lot of shit for watching Bravo Reality TV, but it's like the Bravo people and you know Ryan Seacrest are behind these NHL playoffs. There's shit going on everywhere. The only thing we're missing is like a wife fight in the stands. That's the only thing we're missing. We might get one.

I know. If Mrs. Wilson shows up to Montreal Game 6, it could be a donny. We're going to have Damodav fucking Kim Kardashian fucking opening face off Game 6 back in Montreal. You don't know what to expect, but like you said, it's a full-fledged reality show. And Witt, I'll hand it over to you. This, yeah, what a ride.

It's amazing. It's been incredible. So many different ways we can go. I think kind of staying a little most recent with Sunday, at least for what I want to do, and that's talk about the Edmonton Oilers, guys. I mean. Got to.

I don't know if I've ever, and people will correct me here, I don't know if I've ever and and people will correct me here I don't know if I've ever seen a team as a whole get dominated Through four games and somehow be tied two to two like the Edmonton Oilers. It is nuts They I mean forget about the two games in LA. We talked about them We haven't chatted we chatted Friday morning and then the madness of Friday night I guess we can kind of start there. All I take away from that game is, what will probably go down is one of the worst

coaches challenges in NHL playoff history. And that sounds a little far-fetched and maybe a little dramatic, but I'm watching the game and I'm like, there's absolutely nothing to challenge there. It was quite obvious that Evander Kane, what a battle in front of the net. He bangs that thing off his skate and then clearly hits it with his stick, it's in, goal.

Now right away I'm like, I don't, all right, we're gonna call the timeout because you could tell Jim Hiller's looking. We need a timeout to continue to decide if we're gonna challenge. And then by the time the timeout ended, I'm like, there's nothing. And they decide to do it.

I said immediately, we got a power play. We got a power play. What is it? What are they thinking? And it's, it's hard to really blame him because I'm guessing, and I saw you and Rick bonus talk about it. It's kind of the, the video coach's decision. I would think where he's like, Hey, go, go challenge.

But that one to me, a no-brainer, nothing burger, and we go on the power play and score eight seconds later. So wait, did you see the video that Armie sent to the group chat, though, where after it hit the kicking motion and it had been stopped, there was a, Kane did kind of, he tried to shoot it in, and he did touch Kemper's pad, where it did start moving, but it felt like Kemper was kind of he tried to shoot it in and he did touch Kemper's pad where it did start moving but it felt like Kemper was kind of already making that movement with his leg. So to a certain degree

I could see where they're coming from and maybe in the regular season if you're that desperate you may make that call but the most shocking thing to me with is two times in that series already when Edmonton had tied it, LA had a response. They'd scored twice within a minute of Edmonton tying the game. And when they haven't scored, it's been all over them. After every Oilers goal, they're buzzing. Exactly. So in that situation, you have a two-nothing series lead. The game is tied with six minutes left, you have to be thinking to yourself, like, I would take, if we could have put ourselves in this situation at the beginning of the series, we would have taken that in a heartbeat.

So why not just allow your team to get the job done five on five for the last whatever, six minutes of regulation, and then try to win it in overtime if that's not the case. To give like, and I know the power play for the Edmonton Oilers at that point wasn't as good as in the years past, but to put the best, essentially the best power play on the world when they figure things out with that much time left in that situation, well what do you think's gonna happen?

They score nine seconds later. The fact that they got one nine seconds later was just the icing on the cake and they ended up stealing one and I was just flabbergasted by the call. And, you know, after the game, Hiller, it did seem like he was a little rattled in the post-game presser,

nowhere near how rattled he was after game four. So I don't know, that's pretty much the biggest piece of controversy from game three. So I don't know. That's pretty much the biggest piece of controversy from game three. Is there anything else that from game three that you wanted to talk about? I want to ask Yans and Leon Dreis said it was asked about it after game three. Was that a play that you guys had drawn up? He's like, I had something like I'm going to keep that to myself, but Bouchard walks in the zone, drops it. Obviously they had realized there's that open area in the middle

And he keeps going to the net and just a tap and pass have you ever? Like seen a play like that ever talked about a play like that on the power play with a D man just keeps going oh Yeah, all the time we used it. We used to do it too would have like You know even on the drop pass sometimes that D man can get. You can hit them back with it for a breakaway. But I think for them is just seeing. And they didn't want to use it too early. I think they waited for the right time to use it. They needed a goal.

It was late in the game. I thought it was a great play. Obviously something they had been either talking about or working on. But anytime you put that, that crew on, on a power play with a chance to win the game with, you know, under 10 minutes left in the game, it's not fun being out there on the, on the PK, but I think that, uh, you know, that challenge has scared them for it scared them last game for making a couple of challenges. And I think it even scared Edmonton too, or, uh, yeah, Edmonton too, with the

full goal, with the full Google push in the pad. So yeah, tough challenge there, especially, I think Biz, you made a great point. It's like, trust your team, trust what you've been doing. The, you know, the series of playing well, being good response team after a goal. And like you said, giving them an opportunity. Cause at that point it's a 50-50 shot if you're going to get the, if it's going to get reversed or not, but it's a hundred percent you're gonna get the, if it's gonna get reversed or not, but it's 100% you're getting on the PK if you don't get it. So it's a tough, tough review.

And yeah, it's probably on the video coaches, on the video coaches head. They reversed those calls maybe 10, 15% of the time. Like that's, I don't know if we're able to pull up the video. Like, I don't know if we're legally allowed to do that. That army said where he thought that Kane, in one case when he took a whack at it might have pushed the pad. If we're not, I'm sure most of you have seen it online, but going back to what I said, the no goal in game one was I believe 49 seconds after that Edmonton had tied it up. And then

the more one, the one-hander on Picard. Now, Whit, were you shocked at the fact that they went back to Picard given the fact that like he doesn't typically start back to back games? I didn't think he was very strong in game three. Um, and then he ends up letting in a few squeakers. Like what is your, like, what is your thought there on, on, on going back to him? My thought is even though we're tied to two, we, I can't believe in year 10 of Connor McDavid, the two goalies are Stuart Skinner and Calvin. It's actually like, oh, oh, my God. Like, but you know, you dance with who you're brought to the dance. I just butchered that saying.

But it's it's where we're at. I thought for sure Skinner was coming back game four last year when they put Picard in against Van, I believe he did start the next game as well. And maybe he only started one. Skinner was coming back game four last year when they put Picard in against van I believe he did start the next game as well. Maybe he only started one There's just so much hockey in my brain right now. I can't remember but I was surprised but let's let's get to the Crux of why LA is tied to two Oh buddy so I Was gonna say murals calls him the fraud squad. They're not the fraud squad, they're the choke squad.

That was a full-fledged choke job. Yeah. Them sitting back the way they did in the third period was an absolute travesty win. That was a travesty. So it's partly that they're completely changing their game in the third period, which makes no sense. Because you want to go to the beginning of game four.

Dude, Kevin Fiala, as you said, Biz, might be on the gas. He came up, I was like, what the fuck? They, I mean, now typical Oilers in the beginning of these games, the first two periods, they're getting dominated in the second period. They're playing phenomenal in the third in all the games, but first shift of the game, Wallman pinches down, no back checker, no third man high, 2-1-1,

Fiala misses a wide open net. He then hits the post on the power play. They're all over the Oilers, they're playing, not running gun at all, they're just chipping it in, they have a third, fourth guy high every time. You see McJeez is flying through the neutral zone, but there's just so many layers he has to get through, he can't do it.

And then they get to the third period, and like you said, they sit back. Now, here's the argument some Kings fans are making. They're playing nine forwards in 4D, okay? So they're exhausted, right? And they have these nine forwards they're playing are all, yeah, yeah, I mean, I think they sprinkle in a little bit more, at least on the D side, but like by the end of these games, these guys, and you get into overtime, I mean these guys are gassed.

And the ref thing last night on both sides, there was complaints everywhere. I mean, I think at the end of the game, before they tied it up, there was kind of two plays on McDavid that they didn't call. One was a trip. Perry blatantly trips Gavrikov before they tie it up. No call there. And some people hate the call on McDavid in overtime. It's kind of like a crap. I thought it was soft. I thought it was a little bit soft with two minutes left in the first overtime, but guess what? We'll take it. We'll take it. Because that's the thing that I'm saying. Everyone, the complaining about the refs I think has gone nuclear this playoff.

Maybe I'm forgetting that it's like this every playoff But when your team gets a nice little call that goes their way It's the best feeling in the world and I don't care what you say every fan base will take a call that might be soft That goes their way well We took advantage of it But LA needs to figure out and now we could show the clip of Hiller after the game, where I think he knows, why did we stop playing the way we did in the first and second and third? Well, you're the fucking coach.

What do you mean? Let's play it. How do you change your approach in the third period to better close out games? How do I change it? Next question, please. We're that far away on the empty net. Two chips that one out. Bichard makes a good play. We're not even talking about this. So how about that? Sentiment in the room was at the first 40 minutes. That's your favorite question too by the way. 40 minutes. That's your favorite question too by the way.

You got some ideas for me. That shows right there. I need some ideas. The emotion of the play. He is so angry. You know, the meme of the guy who has the smile, but the anger behind him. What do you mean we're not talking about this? Edmonton had 113 shot attempts by By the end of the third period, bro, they had three forwards on the blue line and their 2D hanging out at the tops of the circles in their own zone, allowing Edmonton free zone entries.

Like what the fuck are we even talking about here? Like did you see the question I asked Leon after the game or excuse me, I think Liam asked him the question but Leon ended up answering where he's like he's like they always hang back like like rolling his eyes essentially saying that that's the way they play but the way that they play is normally their f1 forward is in the middle of the ice and he's hanging out probably around the blue line where they're trying to filter them towards the the one side of the red line not allowing them to go east to

west where at least at one point they're dumping it way before they get to the blue line. So at least your D-men have an opportunity to go back, make a play, break the puck out. They're not breathing down your neck nearly as much because a few guys are at least getting stopped up by the blue line because they're waiting for that dump to go in. We showed a clip of how they normally do it through the first couple periods, and then as that third period went on, they literally just kept backing up more and more and more. Yans, we used to do a drill with Tip,

where the five defenders would literally just be stagnant in the defensive zone, and they would allow the puck carrier to just walk in the zone, and then it's like, okay, we're practicing D-zone. That's literally what they did. It's like, Hillary went in the locker room after the second period and was like, Hey boys, we're going to practice these own for the next 20 minutes. Tip it drill. We're doing the tip drill. And

business now he brings up, um, he brings up like, Hey, by field has the, the, the game on his stick. I believe Gavrickoff first just did miss the empty net. And yes, Byfield's play, like that's a young player, man. It's an enormous mistake. The steps he's made, how good he's been in this series, like you feel for him. I don't. I feel sick in my stomach for him.

You feel for him because literally he chips it off the wall. He skates by Bouchard and he buries it. But you can't then say, you can't say like, we were right there with the five field and the empty net because the first 18 minutes even before that, you were on your heels. Like that hadn't, that wasn't the reporter's question. I also loved, I think the reporter like tweeted out after

like you guys liked that question, just living it up. Just so happy with himself. You could tell the guy would strangle him. Well, you know who asked it? The Atlanta Falcons defensive coordinator's son. Oh, was it? Yeah. Oh.

He got his number through the NHL registry. But Byfield's play, God, man. That's just, oh, that's just knowing the time of the game. What the game? And he's looking back, he's probably thinking, what the hell was I thinking? But what a play by Bouchard. And that can lead me into the discussion of Evan Bouchard.

I don't think I've ever seen a roller coaster type defenseman like this guy. Like he makes I mean, the third goal by L.A. He just like double pumps it, clutches it, loses it. They go down the other way. Fiala makes an incredible play. Boom, three one. You're like, we're in one. No team has come back from down two goals

in the playoffs yet. What does Bouchard do? He gets the two tying goals, and offensively he is incredible. He has a cannon, bush bomb, bush bomb, and he can find guys, he moves well, but then in his own zone sometimes, it's so insane to watch.

That's why Oilers fans, like his contract, what do you give him? I mean, there was a point in the game after it went 3-1 LA, Oilers fans are like, trade him for a bag of pucks. And now they're talking about 10.5 a year for eight years. The guy, it's insane watching him. It's unbelievable.

But he has come up in big moments. And G sent me a tweet He right now is second all time in points per game by a defenseman in the NHL in the history of the NHL Be besides Bobby or right in playoffs. Yes It's quite a lot to do with powerplay like their powerplay last year was a joke they went but the holy shit that's unbelievable Like their power play last year was a joke. They went, but the holy shit that's unbelievable. Um, but the thing that every look at, go back and look at every single goal that Edmonton scored yesterday. You'll see one thing that's the exact same in every, every single goal.

Corey Perry in front 40 year old Corey Perry standing in front of the net. Why is the oldest guy on the team doing this for your team? When he can't be the only guy to do it. He lives to do it. That goal, hitting it to yourself out of midair where the guy draped all over you and then knocking it in, what a beautiful play. Just incredible to see his hand eye.

I mean, he's playing with McDavid and Leon out there. He's, they're probably like, get up here, buddy. Come on, we'll wait for you, come on. Oh, there you go, get further than that. We're good to go now. It's wild. And it's just been such a crazy series that now, just win a game on the road.

LA, I mean, yes, they played incredible for most of games three and four. They stink on the road. That's just a fact. Look at the wins and losses. They can't win on the road. We go back to L.A. We grab game five and this could be one of the most shocking series wins I've

ever seen. A lot of hockey to be played. But also let's talk about Nurse. It's been interesting to say the least. He's been on the ice, I think, for 13 of 19 goals against the goal last night. I believe LA's second goal, he just rimmed, like nobody's on him a lot of times. He's just rimming it around the boards. The announcers are like,

God, he has time to make a play. And I seriously think it's a confidence thing with him. When he's going, he's making plays, he's moving his feet, and then when he starts feeling the pressure and the heat and know that he's struggling with the puck, he gets it and it's just panic time, panic time. And you see some of them turn into brutal giveaways. So who knows what's going to happen in LA. Um, but,

you know how they do the Jersey swaps after games, like the soccer players, him and at home should be part of the first ever contract swap this off season. They should do a press conference and do a contract swap because they, you could tell how bad they're missing him, like the way that thing's going. I was gonna throw it over to Yanns though, the thing too about the way that LA's playing in that third period, you go into overtime,

it's so hard to make that mental switch. You can't just now go back to playing like you were in the first and the second because you've already been backing up and you've been on your heels so your your mind's in okay let's play defense mode. So you saw in the overtime they just had it taken to them. I think they might have had like one shift of sustained pressure in the offensive zone LA. So like that's the thing too is like you're playing not to lose and then it's tied up and then it's like what do you what are you going to say as Hiller now?

Hey boys, let's get aggressive and let's go. It's like, why didn't we fucking do that in the third period? Like, to me as a coach, I'd much rather lose playing aggressive, goal. I'm not talking about dipping in and pinching and giving up odd man rushes. I'm talking about sending in a four checker

and having a responsible F2 and F3 and playing with layers and closing guys off and having good gaps and good back pressure, not just sitting back and like, and listen, mind you, I'm not blaming these guys, I'm just like curious, like the conversations on the bench when you're having these TV times out, like TV timeouts, like is Ozzy Kopitar and Doughty saying, hey boys, like, hey listen, like I get that we

play a little bit more structured and we tend to hang back a little bit, but this is getting obnoxious. Let's try to be a little bit more aggressive. This is last year's Kings that they hated playing like. Remember they were talking about before Hiller came in? Yeah, so it's just like they're going back to their old ways and playing not to lose and wit. You're like, okay, we're going back to LA where this and they had the best home record in the league.

They also had the worst away record in the Western Conference. So I don't know. I don't know if they can recover from this. Like if I was a betting man, like I I would probably say that. That one hurts. I think that Edmonton has all the momentum and they're gonna win this series. Like, I think that LA is shook. And I'm really interested to see how

Byfield's able to recover from this. He's such a young guy. That's such a monumental mistake. Like, from a mental standpoint, like I hope they're able to recover and he's able to recover. But I'll tell you what, they better have sent those Korean ladies to the spa But I'll tell you what, they better have sent those

Korean ladies to the spa for a manny, petty back massage. Any massage they wanted because they're gonna need those fucking harmonicas come Tuesday. That's the only thing that could save them. I smashed my harmonica off that wall and Boca Raton is hard. It was a 93 mile an hour fastball. It's done, they're done.

My final two things in the series. Going into that game, in the last 21 times these teams have played in the playoffs, the team who scored first was 19 and two. Crazy, because you know, you can get a lead in this series and boom, but somehow LA cannot figure out how to play on the road at the end of games. Now my final thought thought before we bring in

our very special guest. I got two last quick final thoughts. You gotta go back to Skinner, but it's a house of horrors for him. That's why I wanted him back in game four. Get the home crowd behind him, get the confidence. Like he's going back into the Dragons layer. No, you're wrong buddy.

So you're going Picard again? Buddy, who did Connor McDavid go hug as soon as they won that game last night? I didn't see. He didn't go to Leon. He went all the way down to the other side and hugged Picard. And the fact that they went back to him in game four,

although he wasn't spectacular, Skinner has already played the two games at Crypto.com. I think now you have to go back to Picard. You have to. And then if you lose, you go to Skinner game six at home. Absolutely. But if you remember, Picard went in and scored, they scored 20 seconds later on and Kempe, this Kempe guy, his release and him skating down the wing and pulling it into his feet while going 20 miles an hour Ringing one off the crossbar. He is an unbelievable player. Like I can't get over watching that guy how good he is Now we're gonna bring on walker. I can I bring up my two points you mentioned that no I interrupted no team at that point until I mushed on

Twitter had come back from a two-go goal deficit in these playoffs to win a game. It was 25 and 0 teams that were up two goals to close out, obviously Edmonton being the first, and shocked that these playoffs, now Alexander Ovechkin and Leon Dreisaitl have scored their first overtime winners in Stanley Cup playoffs. Like that was a shocking stat to me that the fact that those two guys hadn't scored an OT winner given how much playoff hockey they'd played So congrats to Leon. It was great having one after the game. He did chirp my salad But how does he look that good after playing a game? He's a stallion

And we're bringing on it for the next eight years, too Did you sacrifice your hairline for him as a fan? Is that what happened? Oh my god, buddy. I'd sacrifice. I'm not going to say anything. That sounds a little odd. But his hair. I mean, we did an ad for sports clips. And I was saying, best hair in the league, Leon, by far,

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Kevin Hayes. What's up guys? Kevin Hayes, what's going on buddy? You don't have a coach right now. Your beard looks nasty. Thanks guy. Oh you like it. I just trimmed her. Yeah, you. Your beard looks nasty. Thanks guy. I just trimmed her.

Hazy, what's going on buddy? Do you remember playoffs being this crazy? The playoffs you've played in, the playoffs you've watched from home, what do you think so far? No, these ones are absolutely insane. I feel like there's only really one sleeper

one, but it kind of double overtime win. So that kind of adds to the to the craziness. But every West series is bananas. It's a thing like we were texting with Vs last night. I was dead asleep. But I woke up and watched the condensed game of the oilers. That game was wild. It's the oilers. It's a roller coaster.

It's how we live. It's insane. And McDavid's just unstoppable. But like hazy as a player still playing in this, like we see, uh, LA last night, they just, just go completely back playing, you know, defense at the far blue line as a player. How much do you want to just, you know, live by the sword, die by the sword? We've been playing fast all series. We've been getting on the hunt.

Yeah. You got to make simple plays and chip pucks in instead of trying to carry the puck in, but sitting back like as a player that it's not fun to even do that. Right. No, it's not fun at all. But like, even when you're not playing players like Leon and Connor, and you're up in the third period, you just think like, okay, don't fuck this up. Don't turn it over.

A, you're not going to play anymore for the rest of the game. And B, you don't want to give them any momentum. Really? Let's just rely on our defense. But then when you do it against those guys and they have all that room. Yeah. I mean, it's obviously the reason why they lost, but it's definitely no fun. But I think it's just like in the back of everyone's mind, like.

All right, we have this win, we're up two goals, it's the third period, we can go up three one, like, let's not make any mistakes and then. It's crazy how how how kind of mental the game can be, because you would think we've dominated the play as we played our game. But I agree. But like, it's just so like, it's so easy to be like, Hey, let's not screw up. Let's not go for a two on one. And all of a sudden we turn it over.

That's just play defense, which is like the start of. The downfall of the game, you know what I mean? But like, it's easy to say it now from us, but like it's so hard when you're playing those two guys to be like, all right, I'm gonna try to match them offensively. You just can't do it. Thank you. All right, well, we did talk about that series a long time. So we're gonna go over to probably the,

because Montreal's involved too, the craziest game three in quite some time. Hockey is alive in the playoffs at the bell center, the bell centers back biz and, and it did not disappoint. We'll get into game four, but first off, take us into game three biz, what you thought the fight on the bench, the best meme I think we'll ever get from Tom Wilson, the crying and just an incredible win by Montreal when it looked like they were dead too.

He's the, he's not the gift that keeps on giving. He's the gift that keeps on giving. It's just like, remember how, remember how he had the one where he was flexing in the penalty box? Like, this is incredible. And the fact that Dolby's was complaining after game four about the hit and then everybody obviously is hitting them with this meme. And let's not forget, like this all started with Anderson in game two. Well, I guess Wilson and Anderson have even more of a history. They fought twice before.

Anderson ended up giving Wilson a cross check where I felt that Wilson sold it a little bit in game two. And I would imagine there was a lot of chirping going on over that, which then spilled over to warm up, where Wi-Fi and Wilson were chirping. Like even Ovi was getting into the mix on that. McIlrath, who took warm up, was getting in the mix. So tensions were building at the Bell Center, and obviously it spilled over. And then the goalies go down, which was even crazier.

So both goalies in the same game in game three get injured. And then between the second and third, after the second ended, I don't know if somebody said something to Dobish where Savard came over and that kind of started that whole pile up. And then obviously Anderson and Wilson having the history that they did going back to game two,

they ended up linking up and then somehow end up on the fucking bench scrapping. Like look at this. At the fucking Bell Center. This is goddamn. This is like we took a fucking hot tub time machine back to the 70s. The only thing missing was a Millberry shoe. That's all that was missing here.

Look at the referee. This guy is not getting paid enough. They're having to reverse 69 on the bench to try to stop this guy from scrapping. And all these guys are going on the fucking ice. It was a scene, dude. It was incredible, amazing game. Very happy that the Habs got back in the series

and were able to pull off a victory. I think that they've been very impressive, but if we fast forward to game four, boys, that hit by Tom Wilson. Oh my God. Was a series changing hit. Oh, holy cow. Biz, why don't you read or say what your tweet was,

if you can remember off the top of your head. People were fuming. I said, if you think that that hit that Wilson gave to carrier was dirty You're a fucking clown and you need to stop watching playoff hockey People off the head was the first point of contact bitch his fucking knees were bent and he drove through his fucking barman What what arm in when a guy is skating? His head the way that the fucking knee flexion is and the way that his

Torso's like this, your head's gonna be the first point of contact. There's nowhere else to go if you're driving through the middle of his body. That's a clean hit. That's a clean hit. He ends up getting dummied. He was late getting off the ice

because Carrier was so shook. It ends up going all the way to the capitals end. Van Riesdijk sends it over to Chickering. It was a scrambling play, because I think everybody was like, oh, is this guy dead? And then Wilson's going for a change. New bodies coming on the ice,

and Chickren's got no option, so he's like, fuck it, I'm just gonna go a Pat McAfee punt here. He sends it into oblivion, and then all of a sudden Matheson's dealing with that grenade, and Duhame just gets shot out of the cannon. As a defenseman, That is the biggest nightmare dealing with that type of

grenade. It's it's panic mode. It was the perfect flip by by chikrin and do him gets it and it's just a brutal bounce for Caulfield that goes right off his glove. Great net drive off the change. Like I just mentioned, like Tom Wilson delivers that hit at the end of his shift. He drive off the change. Like I just mentioned, like Tom Wilson delivers that hit at the end of his shift, he goes to the bench, they get new bodies on the ice, both downed, and I believe, who is the other guy on that line? It might have been Nanji Apani or somebody,

they both drive the net and Caulfield's gotta go with him and that's the reason that the puck's in the net. So, incredible line change and then you see the jubilation from Ovi and Wilson on the bench like ah so like I said you fight in game three same spot on the bench you exactly same fucking exact spot so you go from being down a goal to delivering that hit completely changing the momentum and then they score a few more shifts later and it's all of a sudden a 3-1 series it goes from being 2-2 series to 3-1 on the change of a hit.

And I got a question for Hazy, but I want to kind of preface it with there are little moments in series that can change the entire outcome of everything. And in my mind, the series changed when Montreal killed that 5 on three against a long five on three. Dobrish made the incredible save on the side. All of a sudden, Montreal, they end up getting the lead on Mike. Holy shit, like that's how you win a game. That's how you end up changing a series, killing a five on three against this powerplay. But no, Tom Wilson, he flipped it on its head again with that hit.

And I want to ask Hazy playing in the league now, how aware is your entire team when he's on the ice? Like you have to be talking about it. Yes. A hundred percent. Especially if like, if someone on our team hits them good early in the game, he's kind of, you know what I mean? He's kind of like sleep.

He's like a luch. Remember luch? If you didn't touch luch, he wasn't that bad. But if you hit him in the first, he would you wanted you dead. One time I played against luch and I was on a PK and I like ragged the puck for like 50 seconds. Then I iced it and he hit me probably 22 seconds late. It was like, if you ever do that again, I'm going to fucking kill you. But no, when Willie's out there, he's an absolute menace. Like, he's one of

the biggest guys in the league and when he's skating full speed like that, that can't like as it come out as he is he going to play. He's dead. His soul left his body when he hit him. I mean, he stayed on the bench and then I think there was a spotter that like grabbed like a cane from an old woman at the Bell Center Literally hooked him off with it like that was insane I felt bad and you know what he's a big loss for the Canadians. They brought him over he placed solid minutes He's pretty physical, but my thing is and and and you feel but you feel horrible seeing a guy get hit like that Yeah, dude. He didn't pick his head up for no. I don't know three seconds No, it was kind of like the puck squirted out behind the original play, right? He kind

of came in with momentum and then Wilson was skating full speed too. Oh, so bad. It's horrifying. And the greatest camera angle switch of all time in broadcasting. It was like the guy knew. The cameraman up near the glass is screaming, Wilson's coming, and then right as Carrier gets it, they go down to ice level and you see a murder. And I don't want to see a murder. I'm not watching a murder mystery sci-fi film. I'm watching a hockey game and the guy's dead. So Tom Wilson changed the entire series. He changed the outlook of everything. And he talked after the game with you, Biz. He made an interesting point that a couple years ago,

when I'm younger, like, this is the type of game where, and I'm completely paraphrasing what he said, but I end up taking penalties, or I would have. Well, so he drew the one on Anderson in the corner, right? So he almost baited him. And after all the fiasco from game three, I felt like that at that point for the Washington Capitals, it was unnecessary.

I thought that that whole ordeal was actually in Montreal's favor. And I felt that he, Tom Wilson, had came a little bit unhinged, especially at the fact that like, he's wasting all that energy and warmup with Wi-Fi. Like, listen, I love Wi-Fi. I think he's a valuable asset.

I think he's a great number six on any NHL team. But like, he's obviously way more of an impactful player than Wi-Fi Wilson. So the fact that he's wasting that energy and getting baited into that stuff. So Carberry had a talk with him after game three. And he's like, hey man, like you gotta toe the line way better and credit to Wilson for being receptive to that

constructive criticism because he did change his game in game four and was the impactful player that we all expect Tom Wilson to be and it was yeah it was insane and I know we've been very complimentary of Washington and everything they did shocked that Logan Thompson even played After seeing the way that he left the ice like I thought he was gonna have to get his leg amputated the way that he left but on switching over to Montreal guys like I Still think Washington is gonna win the series But the experience that wall Montreal is gaining for this team the youngest team to make playoffs in a very very long time like that power play

that helped them get the lead in that game with with demigod as Anson likes to call him like everyone on that power place Suzuki's what 25 years old and everyone's younger than that You got Coat Haafield who I believe is 24 Lane Hudson who has been absolutely incredible in the series, like that read on that one pinch in the game before where he ended up setting up. I believe that was Caulfield or maybe he was even in that game. But just the play that demigod makes when he gets it over from Hudson, that toe drag he makes and then goes around the net to give it to Slavkowski, who did the little shimmy shake on the zone entry. It's beautiful to watch.

The future's bright. I know we say that all the time, but they have really been pushing the pace and I've been very, very impressed and they've exceeded my expectations as to what they were gonna bring come playoff time. I got a question for Hazy or all you guys, whoever wants it.

Everyone talks about guys playing banged up and playoffs, but you never really talk about the goal he's playing banged up and then Thompson last game, you think, I thought he was way more hurt than Monty was. He couldn't put weight on it. I know. Yeah. And then he comes out and plays. You think that he has a shul, the jolt of energy to his team and, you know, excited

to play in front of them, like, Hey, this guy's given it for us tonight, let's give it for him. And then on the other end, it's Monty doesn't play and you're. Dobish. This isn't the guy that, you know, you can really win a series with, especially against a team like Washington. So I don't know. I was just curious, like with the whole goaltenders playing through injury. I know groins are tough for goalies, but you think that

helped out Washington at all? Uh, Hazy. I feel like the vibes are so high and wash, right? Like you see all these videos and stuff, right? I, it's actually funny that my goalie in college is there like, uh, e-bunk and he like travels with the team sometimes Parker Milner and, uh, I was texting him because I was just in, uh, in South Carolina and he, uh, he was like a food critic there and, um, he was saying, dude, I want in South Carolina and he is like a food critic there. And he was saying, dude, I want to go back and travel with them all playoffs because the vibes are so high. And then remember when Thompson didn't make the Canadian team and like rumor came out that he's a bad teammate and no one wanted him.

They didn't want anything to do with him apparently. Yeah, exactly. And I think when he does that, he goes do with him, apparently. That's exactly. And I think he does that. He goes off and he's hurt and he comes back. I think it does send a message to the team like, hey, I'm here. I'm here with you guys like I'm ready to battle for you guys. Let's win this whole thing. G makes a good point in the chat here.

Think about what happened to him in Vegas. He was an all star. He got hurt, lost his job to Aiden Hill. And they go on to win the cup. And maybe there's a part him like, I'm not, I'm not losing my job again. It's not going to happen again. Um, it was just weird. Like, because the way he went off, you thought he was done for, for the playoffs. Um, the, the no weight thing you brought up the e-bug, your buddy who's done the e-bug kind of reminded me of game three. We can, we please get the picture of the Chez Paris bouncer that they brought in?

You're telling me that guy doesn't smoke cigarettes? No, he's actually a Chez Paris bouncer. No, he's that picture. The picture of him face on is even better. Is that all right? He's a cop. He's going to goatee. He's a cop, I guess.

But he looked straight out of Chez Paris, dragging people out in chokeholds when they tried touching the women too much. And it was just, and apparently, now I don't know if this is true. Apparently once like the pictures of him on the bench came out, they were like, Hey, hey, get off the bench. Like get off the bench, go in the locker room. And he went to go in the Habs locker. They're like, no, no, no, no, no, go to another locker room. Oh, come on. You got pigeon tossed?

Just when he came, when he's coming down the tunnel with the goatee and shaved head looks like he's the size of Aiden Hill to yeah, he might as well had a cigarette Cigarette my other asked it on his head and then went out My other favorite clip of this series in the crowd was after mania Pani scored the go-ahead goal in game four um, they they they Before commercial they panned to a guy He had a long perm balled up top but long on the sides and and he had a canadian jersey on he had a breathe right on He was rocking a breathe right? It was incredible

I said, this is so montreal. I want every game to be at the Bell Center. The other part of the Manchiapani goal that was tough, and it sucks that this happened to Caden Goulet because that guy is a stud. Yeah, stud. Special player. 16th overall pick. Next year starts a six year deal at five and a half.

I mean, that might end up being one of the top defensive contracts in the NHL. The kid hammers people, skates like the wind, not super offensive, but can add in some offense. Just a solid, true top pair D-man. But he comes over the line, or Strom comes over the line. It's kind of a two on two, cuts to the left and it should just be a switch right go defensemen calling each other off He follows him across Mangiapani cut cuts across and he drops to him. He's kind of all alone for that split second tough mistake there, but well

Bones touched on that that was the one off. I believe it was Van Riemsteik behind the net and For Montreal they haven't been putting a forward up by the net to make sure that that defenseman, when he comes out and passes it, he's not on his forehand. So they need to put a guy to prevent the defenseman from coming out of his forehand because about three, four times in that period, the defenseman would just come out from behind the net and zip it up like to center ice. And in that case, Stromer was right there all by himself and then everyone seemed to kind of close in on Him and then that's how the whole play developed. So a tough a tough setup on their their set for check, but Yeah, boys

Washington looks great. And like you said hazy just the mojo that they're playing with right now. They just seem to have it and also For how many guys they they brought in this year from like in the off season and even at the deadline, it just seems like they're kind of, you know, you're like, they're like a bunch of misfits, right? They're all coming there to like refine their identity and, and get back to where they think they could play in the national hockey league, like another guy that sticks out who keeps on playing well is every game he's noticeable Bolivia. He's unreal.

He's so skilled too. Like he started last season. He started our every game he's noticeable. Bolivia. He's unreal. He's so skilled to like he started our season. He started our season on Sid's line. I don't think he was expecting to be on the first line, but we had an injury and he absolutely ripped it up to start. And then he plays in any part of the lineup up and down the lineup power play. If he has to, he's been a power play guy his whole career. I don't think he really was at all this year.

He wasn't really in Pittsburgh and then they're not mixing up Washington's power play. But, but, um, yeah, he's nasty and he's the only player to ever assist on an old vetchkin and Crosby goal in the same year. Wow. That little nugget from hazy stack guy, hazy move over with that one. And he's the absolute man too. Um, all right. Well, we'll see what happens. Hey, who's the only player to ever play with? Crosby or not Crosby, Ovechkin and Wayne Gretzky.

Mike Canoble. Oh, wow. There's a little I thought there was there's a Murlstead. Oh, Murls played with who? What's Murls Staddle? Coach by Gretzky played with Crosby and he's got something else in there, too. He's building his house right now. He's legit in a ditch.

Pouring concrete. Poor guy can't even watch the show. We'll see what happens. Game five. Can Montreal drag it back for? I'd love one more at the Bell Center. We need one more. We need one more.

Need one more of that. Center. We need one more. We need one more need one more of that But let's bring it over back to the West and oh my god is Winnipeg and their fans in one right now guys the Jets fans are big mad They're confused. They're sad. They don't understand what's going on. And I can speak for them as neither do I. I don't get what has happened to Connor Hellebuck in the playoffs. It's kind of crazy to witness. I mean, the Jets, they give up seven in game three.

They give up five in game four. They're going back. They could have easily lost one of the games at home, too. I mean, game one, think back. St. Louis is in control going to the third with the tides. It's all right. So, Hazy, you played for both these teams. What are you seeing? I think St. Louis, like I said, with Washington, they have some serious

mojo right now, like what was it you, Biz Biz who asked about Jobu to Fermi? We've been asking everybody. They won't say a word. They won't say a word. That is so funny. I mean, I don't even know anything either about it, to be honest. I would assume, I would assume Binner brought it into the locker room, but that's just a total guess. Speculation.

Okay. That's what we're going to run with though. This is a Binnington thing. See, Robari texted me, like, you're a fucking idiot, but, um, dude, they just have the mojo. Like they, they bring Monty over. They had an unbelievable star Monty. Then they were horrible. Like I remember I went to dinner with a bunch of them before we played them. And they were like, yeah, if we lose this game tomorrow to you guys, our season's over.

We beat them like six to one, I think six to two. And then they won 13 straight. Who was the thing? Twelve. They were twelve in a row. They now won 14 in a row at home. At home. I don't know if you guys been to a game there. Chris Pronger said it was the loudest game he's ever heard there.

We all played in the NHL, Kevin. No, that's true. We've all been to ever heard there. We all played in the NHL, Kevin. No, that's true, actually. We've all been to a game there. That's very true. That was a biz comment. But were they always that, were they always this good? I never played them in the playoffs or anything. But I remember the place, because they do that,

what is it, like the bell for every goal they score? And then it gets going then. Well, the towel pin does the towel toss? But like it's more about to me and yes St. Louis has been great but Biz you tweeted it. You're going calm in game five. No, I was a little excited after the game. I think that it's obvious that Hellebuck is just not the same goalie in playoffs. You also have to put the blame on the guys in front of them because they also turn into a pumpkin

where you saw like Morrissey loses his guy net front then all of a sudden cross-body screen from him you see Hellebuck look over like what the fuck's going on you got the hoop goal from Pionk like they don't look like the same team in front of them But he's also not giving them those big saves that he provides in the regular season Like you can't tell me that they're perfectly defensively all the time in the season where he doesn't make a big one To like stop the bleeding that's not happening. The numbers are the numbers like look at what we're seeing here This is on the fucking like look at this I mean, that's game three and four, but game one and two wasn't much better.

It's crazy. We're talking about a guy who might win the MVP. He's got the Vezina locked up. That's happening. I think they announced today, did they announce today that he won it? No, I think they announced the top three. And he's definitely gonna be involved in it.

But considering now they have two days off in between games again, which mind you that might be also something that's throwing them off. They've had two two-day gaps throughout the course of this series so it's like fuck man like let's get to playing these games let's go here let's get in some type of rhythm. So they go back home he's able to get a few days off. It kind of reminds me of the Bobrovsky situation where they rattled off three wins in the Stanley Cup finals, then they lose the next three. You have to imagine with the amount of games that he's played this regular season, like fatigue has to set in at some time. There's a reason why they go the 1A, 1B situation

nowadays. There might be a sense of like overload on his workplate right now So give him a day off. Let him reset you go back with him game five He's earned that right based on what he's done for the organization. He took a team-friendly deal. He's gonna be your MVP Put him back in net, but if we see the same hella buck no way game six Eric Carmer your net I've seen enough and It was kind of weird man when he got pulled in the third period like bone said on the broadcast He said don't pull him even if they get shelled for eight don't pull him It's gonna fuck with his confidence cuz it's two in a row you're saying Two in a row so they score two minutes into that third period they yank him hellebuck never came back to the bench

He went down the tunnel never came back the bench. I don't know if he's pissed off at the coach I don't know if he just just is like I want to go to the locker room and fucking take a minute and be by myself Whatever it may be but not a good sign. I Don't think it would be a good thing for the organization to not play him in game five. He's playing. He's playing. I think he would legit say, you think you lose game five. You don't put the best goalie in the league in the net for game six. If he gives up five or six hazy. Hazy, hazy, hazy, hazy. Come on now, buddy, buddy, buddy, buddy, buddy. We're not talking. We're not talking about a small sample size here now, bud. Is there more fucking graphics we can pull up as far as this guy's numbers?

The numbers are the numbers. The numbers are the numbers, Hazy. Hazy, don't wipe your face like that. Yeah, I got a mouth, my teeth, I have braces on right now. Last nine road playoff games, one and eight, 4.58 goals against 861 save percentage pulled in three straight road games. games, one and eight, 4.58 goals against 861 save percentage pulled in three straight road games. Hazy, if they lose five, four at home,

are you putting them back in net game six? I am, yes. He's getting a little bit of a buzz. Biz, this guy played with them, so it's almost like we can't take his opinion serious right now. I'm not going to. But I actually think, I think most Jets fans, and I'd love to see their response,

I think they're like, we have to go with him again though. It's like an MLB star hitter in the playoffs and he just goes cold at the wrong time, but he's one swing away, one swing away from hitting the balls. It's like your wife cheating on you with the neighbor. It's like your wife cheating on you with the neighbor. It's like your wife cheating on you with the neighbor. You walk in, you catch her, you trust her, you bring her back in, and then she goes

and fucks another guy. Cheater. That's a crazy analogy. No, it's not. It's not. Once a cheater, always a cheater. Same neighbor or different neighbor? Different neighbor.

She's following the whole block. Jake neighbor. You gotta shut him. It's Jake neighbor. It's a block party. She's a small, old block. Jake neighbors. You gotta shut him up. It's Jake neighbors too. It's a block party. It's a block party gangbang. Is he the oneest guy in the neighborhood though? Like he's the best goalie in the league.

No, he's the biggest dump in the neighborhood too. He's always out there with his ass crack showing, cutting the lawn, and you're like, honey. He's the one making the kid sandwiches, but yet she's still off fucking the neighbors. This guy did it all. Do you like my analogy, Hazy, or no? No, not at all.

But this game, this series is going seven, 100%. Okay. Hot take, Hazy. Will you put Comrie in for game seven, Hazy? Comrie's an unbelievable, one of the nicest people I've ever met, but I think you got to go with Hellolla buck. Oh My and another big thing for Winnipeg dealers is dope for the series Gabe Velarde, I think he he skated or was game time decision. It's like, alright Gabe, we need you back

We need you back in game five, right get him back on that top line. I have follows but good but you could drop him down I on that top line. I have follows, but good. But you could drop him down. I just am shocked to see Winnipeg once again in one. And now it's way better of a scenario than they were last year against Colorado. But same thing, their goalie, who, as Hazy mentioned, is the best goalie in the world. Can't save the puck. And I wonder, I wonder how much of the team that gets together. And it's like we have to do what we can to help this guy. We have to block more shots. We have to give up less in our defensive zone.

But credit St. Louis and also them bringing in Snuggeroot. But you've seen Leonard come in who was better, I'd say this year than Snuggeroot in college and he's granted Washington's a different team. He's doing a hell of a job on the third line with manji apani But this snuggle routes playing on the first line. He's scoring goals. He's playing incredible You get to bring him in it drops guys down and st Louis with cam Fowler basically on the on pace to set a record for most points in a series by a Defenseman is just feeling it just just as hazy mentioned the capitals were so five point night the other night in game three for cam Fowler, I think it's a franchise record by defense.

People were like writing him, not writing him off, but they were just kind of like pushing him to the side in Anaheim. He's been the best pickup in the whole NHL in the bird trade. All right, hazy. We know that you have to go soon, but before you go, we got the last question presented by Roback. Use the code CHICKLETS on roback.com for a generous 20% off your first purchase through the end of this week.

That's CH-I-C-L-E-T-S on R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com. 20% off all hoodiesodies joggers and more with code chiclets you played in Winnipeg. We've talked many times about the pressure in Canada. Is that a fan base that after the first period, if they're down one, nothing, is it going to be similar to Toronto where the crowd gets on them and the crowd gets anxious or is that more a city where it's let's build these guys up? Let's not turn on them right now.

They need us. 100%. let's build these guys up. Let's not turn on them right now. They need us. 100%. Let's build these guys up. They're not, they're not Leaf, Leaf fans and Biz fans. They, that white out was the coolest experience I've ever had in my NHL career. And now that they're tied to two, they're going back for game five. That game, that game five might be the best game playoffs at all playoffs There really will be Kyle Conno probably score Ella Buck

Hopefully he's good and then you got my boy Robbie Thomas. We're probably have a couple points to All right, and I can go to it if you like it so much Well, we have another question for him. Well, you said the best experience you're playing career I would imagine playing with Crosby's up there too. I mean, just, just, he ends up breaking the point per game or no, uh, yeah. Point per game record for consecutive seasons. One pass Gretzky now, like what a fucking guy, uh, what a player. And it was just like, what was that experience like?

Sid's the absolute man. Uh, like you hear all these stories when you play against him, like, Oh, he's super nice. He's like very genuine. He's nice to everyone. He's like the ultimate professional that I've seen. Like he'd make sure it's everyone's having a good time. Everyone feels comfortable. Uh, he works super hard.

He's hilarious. He loves hot stove and in the the in the training room lives for it What's it? What is he like talking about? Like what's his like guilty pleasure? Is he a does he like the fucking teen mom shit like he ends on the Bravo Network? No, no, no He's more come home. I think he might be he might be mad at me for saying this but He he's like knows a bunch about birds. Like we'll be like driving on the bus and he'll see a bird and he'll tell me exactly what type of bird.

Come on. Yeah. But that's why I heard he's in Wilkes-Barre practice with the injured guys, because there's a couple of sick birds that only live in the Wilkes-Barre area that he's checking out. He's got binoculars. There's an 87 on the binoculars. It's cool. That wasn't in Wilkes-Barre. That was in Pittsburgh. Oh, okay.

Why is he still skating? Cause he's that sick. Uh, maybe worlds potentially. I don't know. Well, Hazy, what about the news that broke today? Mike Sullivan, no longer the coach of the Pittsburgh penguins. Uh, give me your thoughts on that. You got another guy fired, eh?

Oh my God. Stop that. Um, no me your thoughts on that. You got another guy fired, eh? Oh my God. Stop that. Um, no, I mean, it's, it's tough to see Sully go, uh, he's a great coach. Uh, super honest. He demands a lot. Um, but yeah, I mean, I was only there for one year. I'm sure you would get better Intel from other guys, but, uh, tough to see him go. I'm sure he'll find a job pretty quickly if that's the road he wants to go.

Um, but yeah, I mean, it's just tough to see him go, I guess. Sounds like you may cry. So unfortunately, Mike Sullivan is gone. Um, hazy. Thank you so much. And biggest news for you. I believe we're, we're counting it down like any day. You're going to be a father.

Yeah. How's your feeling? Are you ready? I gotta go. Yeah, she feels great. We got a ultrasound today at 1245. So, yeah, I'm ready. I'm a little nervous, but I'll be texting you to not you, there's some advice. But what do you mean?

Well, Biz will be like, keep her away from the neighbor. J.K. neighbors. So you're going to be an all time dad. I'm so happy for both you guys. And we appreciate you coming on the show, bud. Hazy, you doing a home birth? No, not like Whit. It's an apartment birth.

I did do most of the work at that. Really. Hey, good luck, good luck that. Really good luck. Good luck. Hey, good luck. Good luck. Sorry if I look a little stung. I was on a seven day golf trip. Oh, boy, that must be fun. All right. We'll talk to you later. Love you, Hazy. Love you, buddy. I mean, boys, St.

Louis, they're fired up. Winnipeg Jets fans, they're kind of panicking, but we're going back out east now We're going to the Battle of Florida and some big-time Arguments within the chick. Oh, yeah chat Oh, yeah I'm some time to bring it all to a head and talk about what we really think about some vicious hits now What what game had been played? Oh, they're only through three games, so we hadn't seen the game two or three.

I don't even know where we wanna start. Well, let's go back to the Hegel hit, right? Okay, okay. So on the broadcast, I was asked if I thought that Kachuk should get a game, and I said, well, it makes no difference to me. If he doesn't, I don't care, but if we're going eye for an eye here,

I would say based on maliciousness, I would say that I would be okay if they ended up giving Kachuk a game. Do I compare it to the Haggle hit? Well, no, because Barkov never touched the puck and Gensel did. But let me remind everybody listening, if Kachuk would have done what he did to Gensel did, but let me remind everybody listening, if Kachuk would have done what he did to Gensel,

to either of these two guys, they would be calling their uncles in Boston to put cement boots on Matthew Kachuk. They would be livid in the locker room. Wait, if Kachuk hit you like that when there was an empty net after you delivered a pass, Yanz, you as well, you guys would be fuming in the locker room.

Yance, I think you've even in the last month said like, oh yeah, that guy used to hit guys late, I want him dead. And I'm like, did you not deem that hit by Kachuk late? Yeah, but like I said. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Like I said in the group chat, I wouldn't have been in that situation. You know, at the end of the game, your best player just got, you know, his head taken off by a guy.

Um, you know, there's going to be some sort of, uh, you know, something going on, especially with Matthew Kachuck on the team and Sam Benin on the team. Something's going to happen. You go in for an empty net goal. You do not admire your pass. You keep your head up and you see Matthew Kachuk come in and you put your stick out like this to protect yourself. I put the more on Gensel for letting him hit them like that.

Matthew, maybe a little late, but I loved it. It was later. Basically telling me that, that, that he was trying to get retribution for the Barkov situation. He ends up hitting him, like, we're not talking like a half a second late. Like, it was like a full second late. Changes his course of direction to get him back for the Barkov, which I'm fine with.

But he was in front of him the whole time. Hey, listen, I'm the eye for an eye guy. I'm the guy who would be like, no, don't suspend him. I'll handle my own business. That's how I like to handle things. But at the end of the day, that's a lit. Do I think it was as hard of a hit as Hagel put on Barkov? Absolutely not. But I think it was more premeditated. And let me remind everybody listening too. If Matt Rempe delivered that hit to Sidney Crosby in the regular season, they would send him in that shuttle that they sent the fucking Katy Perry and the crew up,

but they'd have it keep going. He would be shot into orbit to never come back to Earth. He would get a minimum 15 games. He'd be headshot in an alien? Exactly. He'd be headshot in an alien? Exactly. He'd be headshot in an alien. So I get that it's playoff hockey. I'm totally okay with him not being suspended.

But my whole point on the Hagel thing was he thought that Barkov touched it. So that's what you think? That is what you think. How do you know that? Based on his reaction, I do agree with you because he kind of like turned around like, oh, I think he did, I'm with you on that.

I think that everybody could agree that was way more of a hockey play. People say, no it's not, because he didn't touch the puck. Like, Barkov is a stick on puck guy, he's one of the best defensive forwards in the league, he's everywhere, he covers the entire ice, and the way that the angle was going,

like, Hagel was tracking him the entire time. So if that puck did get turned over and Barkov did strip McDonough, which he's done a million times, he would have just finished his hit. In this case, Gensel wasn't even Kachuk's guy. He changes his course of direction. And mind you, I would take Kachuk on my team

every day of the week, twice on Sundays. This has nothing to do with any type of personal vendetta towards Kachuk, and I'm fine with him not getting suspended. But in the case of the game before, you give Hagel a game for that, Barkov's back on his. The only difference is Hagel didn't, or Gensel didn't leave the game. He didn't stay down.

No, there's another difference, and that's head contact. Yeah. There was a little bit with Hagel, not completely shoulder to head, and there was zero with Kachuk. And the biggest thing, I read a couple different tweets or whatever about it, like they don't really suspend on interference calls

when there is zero head contact. Also, the speed of Hagel compared to Kachuk was so different, right? So it was that. But it was also more of a hockey play. Like they were, I felt like it was a hockey play where the Kachuk thing, like, he knew what he was doing. Matthew Kachuk is a certain type of player.

He knew what he was doing in that situation. Can we agree on that? But I also think he's smart enough player to not hit him as hard as he could, not to hit him high. He hit him right in the chest. It was kind of like he'd let up a little bit. He was like, hey, I'm here. Don't forget I'm still in this series.

I think if he really wanted to hurt him and get a suspension, he could have fucking killed him. Fair. So what you're saying, he's the perfect amount of dirty. Yes. 100%. He's the perfect amount of sluttiness. Exactly. He's got the tramp stamp. He's got the tongue ring cool bearings

Yeah, but he won't when she comes to meet your parents. She can look like you know a professional right but but she won't Call you with the neighbors. She won't take double penetration She won't do anal, but she's got the tramp stamp and the tongue ring and and okay the perfect amount of sluttiness I got you Anal analogy more to this series actually let's quickly play the incredible I'm not gonna say war of wards but just the mental battle between the coaches in which do we have the clip here we go obviously big topic of discussion at this game is the late hit from Katochon. Get into there. Any comments on that?

Do you expect any repercussions from the league after what we just saw with Hagel? The only players we hit are the ones with Pucks. So. I'm not sure if you had seen it or not, but after the game yesterday, John Cooper got asked about the hit from Chucky. Yeah. He. I know. He chirped chirped me. I saw it. I'm at home watching the Senators game and he chirped me, right? Which I appreciate. He used my own words on me too. I mean I'm not sure it was applicable

to the events on the ice, but it was still good. Well done. Does it add to the energy of the series and stuff? Oh, God, I hope not. Yeah. I don't, I don't, my wife had a good chuckle. I think she thought it was pretty funny. And, uh, I think the coaches probably I'll have to take over the chirp and at some point it's kind of a lost art on the bench. So it was all good.

Just two guys, you can tell that respect each other, respect the game and are having fun at the end of the day. They're both one Stanley cups. They know what they're doing. And that's the shit like you were talking about earlier, but it's just adding to the, you know, the drama of this league, but you can tell there's no hatred with those guys, obviously they hate their teams hate each other, but they are, they're having fun. There's they're spreading love to the game and just imagine sitting there and

your wife laughing at you from another coach chirping you. It's unbelievable. I think that- Just don't let her visit the neighbors. No, no, no, please, please, no. I think that Cooper doing that, like just in the coach's room before he went to do the press conference, like he definitely like told the guys or maybe he didn't. And he just decided like, oh, this is the perfect time to say exactly what he said after the haggle hit. And I mean, he says it's not applicable. I think it is actually like perfectly applicable. It seemed like it went, it was the perfect time little joke by Coop, but back to the

actual series after game two, that might've been the most shocking, like lack of passion in hockey and offense that I could imagine from Tampa Bay. It was like, what is going on here? Like they had nothing going. Highest scoring team in the league, I know we mentioned that going into game three, but there was just nothing. And they exploded and it was all in the backs of Kucherov.

Kucherov had been quiet. That goal that Gensel scored, what was it? The first goal of the game for Tampa? I think that it ended up going off of points leg. So I think that point ended up getting credit for it. But the play that Kucherov makes to him and the fact that Gensel one touches it to himself through the defender, like,

could we talk about Jake Genselwit? Like, he's top six all time among goals per game in playoffs, the highest among active players. I think that Dreisaitl might have passed him with the OT winner, but I don't know if we have the tweet or the list, but this guy, when it comes to playoffs, he is as clutch as it gets and listen people are I play with Crosby play with Crosby ah he went to fucking

Carolina and easily fit in and got it done and then now he's in Tampa doing it and I get that he gets to play with these fucking other superstars but he's a superstar in his own right and when the chips are on the table and when it's playoff hockey he's won a Stanley Cup, he knows what it takes, he can get the fucking job done. And he's worth every penny, he's a gamer, he looks like he could be a fucking accountant. He doesn't even look like a hockey player.

We did a post-game interview with him, he looked like he was a buck 60 soaking wet. But man oh man, and he is not afraid to go to the hard areas. He's one of those guys, Yance, he's just slippery. He'll get in, get out, normally avoids contact. Usually it's when a timeframe of you can get hit, but. A lot of guys get the opportunity to play with guys

like Sid and Coach. It's how you take advantage of it, and he's done it his whole career. They probably brought him in, we're like, okay, we'll give this guy one or two games, see how he does with Sid, and you take advantage of it. And he's done it his whole career. They probably, they probably brought him in. We're like, okay, we'll give this guy one or two games, see how he does with Sid. And he just rolled with it. So you have to be a special player to play with special players. Not anyone can do it.

So there is, you cannot put any ounce of it. It's all him. He's doing it for himself. He's been a stud since he stepped foot in the league. And I think his dad was a coach, right? So he's been around the game a long time. Such a smart player. Just don't watch your passes. The Montreal eBug strip club, strip club bouncer.

He looked more like a hockey player than Jake Enzo. Yeah. I mean, it really is crazy. He's just like this little guy. Yeah. You see him at the office. How was your weekend? Good. Went to church, played around the golf and then watched a movie with my wife No, I'm sixth all time in goals per game in the history of the Stanley Cup playoffs So the other thing look at those are the guys that are ahead of them. Look at those names Jesus Christ

I'm a lot of make up for the Cam Neely press conference. So we don't get to that now But so back to Kucherov though press conference, so we don't get to that now. So back to Kucherov though, the play that on the first goal that point up ends up getting credit for, then you see a very uncommon Bobrovsky blunder on the Nick Paul, it's going wide, it's on the ice, just a fluke, hits his pad, somehow kicks directly through his legs into the net, but then what happens?

It's two one, Florida had the lead one nothing, two one, Tampa keeps pushing. That pass Kucherov made from behind the net to Gensel. It's like, I don't even know how he sees him, let alone get it to him where he's on his backhand, he somehow misses the post, similar to the pass Demidov gave to Slavkovsky on that goal, but Kuch is actually skating the opposite direction.

So he's got all his momentum going behind the net and just slides it behind, just misses the post, and Gentil buries. So Kuch reached a different level. I think he knew after game two, it's like, I got like this team, they go through me, and the way he collected the pass in the neutral zone on that third goal, and then he weaves into the zone, he makes it look so simple, so easy, and now Tampa has life. Now, you're still on the road. You got to think Bobrovsky's not going to give up one like he did, but it gives Vasilevsky some confidence. He gets a win. He only gives up one goal very early in the game. I mean, Kachuk scored two minutes in. He got 58 minutes after that. Didn't give up anything. I don't know where this goes.

I would kind of lean towards it goes back to Tampa 2-2. I know that there was some talk online and me watching the game, kind of disappointment of an atmosphere, not an atmosphere of like a level of play. Even Butcher Gras tweeted like, seemed like a regular season, one o'clock starts, newsfest a little bit. And that's not what Florida needs. I feel like when either team has gotten the lead,

they just are okay, kind of just locking it down. Let's not, not like LA style, but just slowing the pace of the game down, not getting out of position. And going back to the play that Kucherov made, didn't he have a similar play that he made against Florida when they beat them at a playoffs,

where he caught Uyghur sleeping, where he did that, where he was going this way and ended up throwing it this way behind the net? You know what's what I'm talking about? It might've eliminated them like a few years ago on their way to winning the Stanley Cup. So he's pulled that move off before. Very also Marner's a guy who likes to do those as well.

But yeah, I agree with you. Probably the most boring series from a play perspective. The Kachuk hit and the Hagel stuff has amplified it from an attention standpoint. So maybe that adds a lot more fireworks moving forward. I hope that overall the play does ramp up. Uh, been impressed with that. Um, is it a Gabe, uh, gun gun Shavez? Like I didn't even know who the fuck this guy was. He's been making plays out his name. Could Shavez gun Shavez. That's what jazz told me. The statistician at TNT, maybe I'm completely butchering it and

But I really hope he said that just so you'd say just like that way fuck with me, but a Another change at blood finally finds his way back after the long suspension So a little bit of change in personnel for the Florida Panthers So let's see if in game four they recalibrate and get to their old ways But once again going back to what we started with, I'm completely fine with no Kachuk suspension. I just, comparing the two, they're similar in a sense where if one deserves a suspension,

I think that the other one could've earned a suspension. But here we go, game on, let the boys play. The Gensel hitting his face on the ice was scary. And last thing, I think, you know, even though Florida loses that game, they outshot them 34-22. So does that get Vasilevsky going? Or is Florida like, that's fine, we outplayed them on the shot metric. Let's see where that one goes. I'm hoping for a little more hatred. I think the entire fan base of the league thought that that might be one of the nastiest series. And overall, those two hits withstanding,

it's kind of been a little quiet. We'll see what happens at game four. I feel like also like for Hagee's been, just he's kind of been invisible, no? Did you see Maurice like Jason Voorhees style behind the back curtain, like watching him do a press conference? It looked like he was just like, uh, Jason Voorhees style behind the, the, um, the back curtain, like watching him do a press conference. It looked like he was just like, what's he saying right now?

I need this guy to get going. Jesus Christ. Cause I have an all year for Hagee was kind of not. Yeah. He didn't have a great season. Yeah. Years prior. So we'll see. Well now he's going to get two next game. If he gets, if he gets hot, watch out. Cause he, he's a streaky player. And when he gets hot, he is a scary, scary individual. Back out west.

Story of of what is the word? Resiliency, never giving up. Gabriel Landiscau returns and then the next game scores a goal. Colorado down 2-1 at home in game game four, they're gonna go back to Dallas down 3-1, no, they put on a clinic. Yance said Friday morning, you had seen Kael McCarr play for him, what was not a great performance. He showed up, everyone showed up,

and to see Landiscock score a goal, and then to see the clip of the arena, I think it was for about three minutes after the goal on their feet going crazy. I was so happy for him and it wasn't it wasn't a grimy goal in front. It was a snipe off the rush, beautiful drop pass posting in. Can you imagine the feeling he had because he's he hasn't just come back and been like, oh, shit, man, I don't know if I got this anymore. And even there was thoughts of like possibly coming, he would come back

and then it could be like one game. And he's like, dude, this is my knees fucked up. No, he looks awesome. He's flying. And to score that goal, it just was one of the coolest things I've seen after interviewing him and hearing what he's gone through, Biz. Yeah. And yeah, I played just under 15 minutes. And then he gets bumped up to that second line with Brock Nelson, who had to also get going.

So a beautiful zone entry. And I think he even said, he goes, that was my first shot on net. And the fact that he was able to get it, and there was no big windup. It was just that little quarter clapper and boom, top cheese and surprised from that distance that he was able to score on Oettinger

given how good he was in that second period. Like Oettinger in that second period, that might have been the single best period I've ever seen a goalie play in playoffs. Like he was just, you couldn't beat him. Like he was just. When Nathan McCar were buzzing around, he was making saves left and right, it was unbelievable.

But just to see what he's gone through and how much inspiration he's not only provided like other athletes, but just people in general. And also like having the, what's like the looking ahead thing? Like to basically document the foresight, the foresight, the foresight, to document the whole process in order to share with people.

And it's just amazing what's happened. And in that atmosphere when he came out for the first star, and I think the one amazing thing too, after he scored that goal, you saw the celebration with his teammates, they pan up to the crowd, and there's a guy in a Gabriel Lanskoff jersey and he just grabs his girl who's got a Nathan McKinnon jersey on and they just start making out and then they pan back to the ice and he goes over the bench and now

he's hugging with Nathan McKinnon who's helped him out with Nate. Yeah, but it was just I see Nate get a little like wobbly leg behind the net there when he ran into that was a big collision that was a little I was a little worried I don't know if it was me to Marchman maybe I don't know who it was but that was a little scary but overall um that one game and listen Dallas might still win the series like you would never count That was a little scary, but overall, that one game, and listen, Dallas might still win the series. You would never count them out. They were down 0-2 to the Vegas Golden Knights last year, but that Colorado team looked like a Stanley Cup champion

in that game. That was like, oh, they are just built a little bit different. They ain't sitting back like LA. They're the complete opposite. They're go, go, go, go, go. And they're a well-oiled machine when they're playing like that. But just, I mean, the best story in sports right now, Gabriel Landeskog and the fact

that he's going to make an impact in that lineup, not just playing limited minutes where he's a second liner now, unreal below the goal line. And even on the one goal, who was parked out front? Right to the blue paint. That's where he can be a horse and make an even bigger impact. So great to see from our boy Gabe. Now, I said that the Oilers, it seems like they have no business being 2-2.

Dallas has led for, I think, a minute of this series. They won game three in overtime. They just have not been able to get a lead and play with a lead. So to me, like I wouldn't be surprised if Colorado wins game five and game six because they just they do look like a better team. They look faster. But somehow Dallas stays alive. Autinger is very good after a loss in the playoffs. He's going home. Can they can they kind of figure out their game? But Wyatt

Johnson's been quiet. There's a lot of guys in Dallas who haven't appeared in this series yet the way that we thought they would. Does Heskinen come back? I don't know. You're kind of hearing rumblings, but if he's not in yet, do we see him at all? I'm very interested to see where this series goes because Colorado's game four effort made it look like we have a better team We know we're better. We've been controlling this series every single game and and we've just kind of thrown it away at different times But we'll see what happens. I think is that what time is that game? Is that the late game? Dallas needs to stay out of the box Mason Marchman He's it seems like he's taken a penalty every period.

Like when they start getting the momentum and he's taken a penalty, giving the other team momentum, it's like, especially against a team like the Abbs, you cannot give them free looks and free opportunities. The penalties in the offensive zone, it can't happen like 200 foot away from your net, it cannot happen, especially against that team. So if they have any chance of winning this series and they do have a chance, even though, like you said, with the lead for 62 seconds, this series, they have to stay out of the penalty box.

And, and I love March, you played with him here in Florida, but he's, he's the number one guy that I'd need to see out of the box. Yeah. And he was complaining about the one minor that he took on Kale Macar. Kale Macar is on the ground and he's got his butt in his glove and he was complaining about the one minor that he took on Kale McCarr. Kale McCarr is on the ground and he's got his butt end in his glove and he gives him the jab in the face and he's bitching that McCarr sold it where it's like, buddy, like, this is a generational talent star of the league. You think you just give him the stinky mitt, like uncontested?

And then even after that, when he took the minor, he still took a shot at another guy. I thought they were going to double him up. They could have. They could have because the other, he still took a shot at another guy. I thought they were gonna double him up. They could have. Same. They could have, because the other guy didn't even come over and do much. He was bitching about the call out of frustration. So, I agree with you, Yans.

I love his game. I love how he mixes it up. I think he's so effective. I just think that he's, much like Carberry had a chat with Wilson, I think it's time maybe that DeBoer has a chat with him saying, buddy, you got to toe that line just a little bit better. If there's one team we can't afford to be on the penalty kill against, it's the fucking high flying Avalanche.

So unreal effort by that Logan O'Connor. They got wheels on that team, man. They move. And I don't really have much else on that series. Blackwood, first NHL career playoff shutout. I thought he's been tremendous so far in this series. So really both goaltenders have stood on their head. And yeah, Autinger, he's gotta be the difference,

especially Nohayskinen and especially, who's the other guy they're missing out of the lineup right now? Robertson. Robertson, Jesus Christ. 930 Eastern tonight, Only two games tonight. So really could focus in on both. I like that.

Ah, let's actually, you know what? We'll save. We'll save. We'll save. We'll save it. We got to stay out west and we got to go. Why are you going to move to my leafs? No, but I'm not going there yet. We're going to go to another apology from me. I apologize to the wild and their fans and that I needed to be able to was that just was that A fart at the wild that was to you for fucking

Mike right in your cornhole and farting. Oh, no, it's in his mouth the wild the wild had that series 3-1 They've never been up 3-1 and you just farted right in their faces. I don't think I'll give myself pink eye You don't think I'll give us you He needs a day off. Guy's been working. For half the people listening, that's what they think's coming out of my mouth normally is me fucking farting in it. Listen, I apologize to Mini. I wrote them off.

They stormed back. They're up two one. They got a great chance to go up three one. They'd never done it. But Vegas, they didn't hear no bell. They didn't, what an incredible overtime, man. It was nuts to see it even get there. Thought Minnesota had that game.

Eichel shows up, Barbachev shows up. It was a different Vegas team. Murls' bet's alive, he's got the future. And what did Murls do? He tweeted out, Vegas is dead, it's over. And boom, it goes to OT, they get the win. And Minnesota, it was right there. They had this series locked and loaded,

and now they're going back to Vegas 2-2. Yance, what do you think? I think Vegas did look dead to rights for a little bit there. It was not good. Their power play looked so stagnant to me. Like when you're a team of that, with that much skill. Their power play looks so stagnant to me. Like when you're, when you're a team of that with that much skill and your power play looks that bad, it translates into the five on five game and I had kind of

written them off and then, you know, when you have studs like that, it can, it can change, I guess at any point and Jack showed up, Jack's ready to go, uh, stone. So I think for them is just playing. They're one of those teams, they have a ton of skill, but when they just play straight ahead, play fast, get pucks in and then kind of let Jack and, you know, a couple other guys do their thing. That's when they're at their best, but they need to play North salt, fast, big physical hard hockey because they arguably have probably the biggest,

most mobile D in the league and you just kind of let them get back. They can all make that first pass out of the zone. Get out of the zone, get up in the play. We don't, they don't need the East West stuff. They don't need, you know, to look, make it look fancy, just play hard North South and they can get the job done. Let the skill take over on the power, on the power play when you have the chances or in zone when you're working the puck around. But I did not like there was a game.

That game seems like it was six months ago, by the way. It was. Um, okay. Um, but you just, the, the east west stuff through the neutral zone, just, I don't think it's their game. Just get it in, go to work and wear teams down. And realistically, they should, they should have won this series, you know, 4-1. I think we all probably had it, maybe going to game six.

But now they're in a dog fight. A lot of credit's got to go to Minnesota as well. They've played an unbelievable series, as good as they could have right now. Kaprizov's insane. But yeah, this will be a fun one tonight and Vegas needs to really, really show up. They need to spank them tonight is what they need to do. It's not tight. Yeah, well, I think the storyline going into game four is how much that Boldy, Kaprizov, and Ericsson Eck line had dominated the Ike line.

Like, nobody expected that. I think they expected a battle back and forth, but offensively dominating. Kaprizov four goals, Boldy four goals, Ericsson Eck the perfect compliment to each of them who does everything but I think that if you looked at these teams going into the series you would have said oh the depth up front Vegas is gonna dominate them. Well that's not been the case. The bottom two lines if you consider Foligno who ended up getting bumped up the second lie of left wing because Johansson came out, they've been incredible. Like that Trenin, Rossi, and Brazill line on the forecheck,

they've created two goals just simply off their forecheck, forcing errors, physicality, speed. So I've been very impressed. And you go back to the, you mentioned the power play early on, Keith, for Vegas. I think all season long they've really relied on the low plays where they don't really have that bomb up top.

Like Theodore, he does throw the sifters through. I think he does have a good shot, but I think he has a- It's not a bush bomb. He doesn't have a bush bomb, and he's really a pass first mentality. So Minnesota's been taking away all the low plays, and they've been going up high, and then it's just He doesn't have a bush bomb and he's really a pass first mentality. So Minnesota has been taking away all the low plays and they've been going up high and then it's just, okay, they're not the perfect play.

Let's keep moving around and look back for the low play where it's like, you have to take what you're given. So I don't know what the adjustments going to be moving forward, but in order to keep clicking at a high rate on the power play, they're going to have to have somebody up top who wants to shoot the puck, and why wouldn't you with a guy like Mark Stone in front of the net? I believe Theodore, the goal that he did score,

Mark Stone was parked out in front of the net. First of the game. First of the game. Winners went up one nothing. So they need to get back to that and stop having that pass mentality and be so focused on working the low play. Do they have talent who work at the goal line area and around the net? Absolutely. But it's clear that Minnesota

is aware of that and taking that away. So I thought that, I didn't think that Hanifin and Petro were playing bad per se. I think they were dealing with a lot of bad bounces. We talked about that icing in game three, where it should have been called icing, like Petro reaches all the way for it and they wave it off, Hanifin does a couple shoulder checks and it was Filino, who ended up going to Eichel, disrupting it, goes over to, Hanifin disrupts it,

and then the play continues, Hartman gets involved in the mix and they end up scoring a goal. So same with the other Foligno goal, where it was the jump ball with Petro, where he makes a bad read and then he leaves Foligno all alone in front of the net. So they've just made a few bad reads and had a few bad bounces,

where they're just gonna need those guys to be rock solid like we know Hanifin and Petro to be in order to close out this series. But the fact that they're able to sneak out that game for win and come from behind and kind of get all their guys clicking again, it, I really, really lean towards Vegas now at this point. It sucks. I don't know what the last, I think it's been since what 2010 since Minnesota has been out of the first round. It's been a long time. I think 10 years. I think 15.

Yeah, maybe 10 years, but I don't think it's going to happen now as good as they've played. And then fuck man, that Zeev Bouyam penalty, tough play, man. I felt so bad for him. He cut stone pretty bad, four minute minor. And then Boldy has the chance to clear it. He whiffs on it. Like those are the little

moments that if they lose this series, Minnesota's gonna look back on just like the by field non-clear, like fuck man, this series, we were this close to having their nuts in a vice in a 3-1 series lead. I just, I was, I thought it was like mini team of destinies type thing when Hurdle gets that goal, a completely kind of lucky bounce in front to go up three, two and 50 seconds later, Spurgeon ties it up

sick wrap around. I'm like, Oh my God, they are not going away. And then you get to overtime and I feel bad for Jake Middleton, man. I think if he could do it over, he's going up the wall and you're trying to keep it out of the middle. Totally understand the high flip play Just just get it out relief pressure But he kind of whiffs on it and then it ends up in front he went down to try to block the pass

And he wasn't able to kind of block it completely or it bounced right to the Vegas player and and It's just it's just one of those things where with Boo. Yeah You're gonna play him, right? He's the power play guy, and then all of a sudden in overtime, he's not playing. He's not playing the power play at the end of the third period.

How's your confidence after taking that penalty, and then after to not be getting thrown out there? It's like, fuck, you almost, I understand how high the stakes are, but you gotta show some belief in them. And I get I get John Hines like I just really can't trust him right now. But to me, it's like I think you put him out there and a guy with with his pedigree and what he's done prior now, it hasn't been in the NHL. It's like that's a guy I believe that would answer the ballot and show up and make up for his mistake.

But now you wonder, will he continue to play? I don't know. But going back to Vegas for them to get that game. Yeah, they have life. They got the home ice advantage once again. And that is Tuesday night. We're going to see a special one in Vegas, I think. Think Gustafson can bounce back.

I don't think it's done yet. I could see that going seven two-biz. Yeah, the one shocking thing, this playoffs, I find there's a lot of goals being scored on teams like after they win the faceoff They'll win the face off and they'll have a blunder and up in the back of their net like on the other night Tampa snaps one back McDonough I thought he was gonna go up the strong side looked like the ref got in the way they make the wrong play comes back On their end and that's when Bennett goes over to Kachuk for the first one

I don't know if you caught game three that Montreal won Where where doubt wins the faceoff and it's a bobbling puck. It goes to Carlson He like tries to toe it goes right out in the slot and I think it was Suzuki who ended up scoring the goal Even in that same game doubt on this on the neutral zone faceoff where Dvorak gets kicked out Gallagher is like no, I want it. Did you see that play where, where Doudor snaps it back and Gallagher is almost anticipating it pounces on it. It gets turned over. They go in and score the goal. So David on the third goal to Bouchard and on the bench, like, what the fuck? Oh, I tweeted out after that one,

I go that might get McDavid into Maple Leafs jersey. He was fed up. He's like, motherfucker, I snap back a draw, I'm going on the net thinking we're gonna put one in and you're bobbling this motherfucker and we're going back the way. You touched on it earlier, that skillful play by Fiala who bats it out of the air, five feet out of the air,

right back to his twig and then to put that in the net. But once again, I always feel like some playoffs, oh, I think it was last year or the year before, it seemed like teams were scoring after winning one in the offensive zone, like three, four seconds later, boom, it was in the back of the net. Where this year, the theme for me is a team wins a draw,

somehow they fuck it up, just like you said, Middleton, and it ends up in the back of their net and even in the net front part where he turns the wrong way oh fuck I don't even think the puck had crossed the goal line and barbacheva was already sprinting the other way celebrating that goal so incredible series incredible crowd in Minnesota sucks that they fumbled the bag but hey we'll. We'll see if we get some more action. They're going back there no matter what. Let's see if they can close it out or they got to stay alive. And that leads us to another team that stayed alive.

The Ottawa Senators and Biz. Who would ever worry about being up 3-1, right? I mean, you're up 3-0, you can lose one game. Why would the Leafs be worried, right? They would never, ever choke away a 3-0, right? I mean, you're up 3-0, you can lose one game. Why would the Leafs be worried, right? They would never, ever choke away a 3-0 series lead. That wouldn't happen, right? Toronto, they're nails.

They've run the playoffs. They've won one series in 20 years. It's real, it's, how could we believe that they could possibly blow this? Well, first of all, as I've said many a times, this team's different. It's not going to happen. Not ideal in a closeout game in Ottawa

in order to get the sweep. You have a four-minute minor called on Ottawa, where you can close the series out, and you get five shots on net. Austin Matthews hits the post. And yeah, congrats to Sanderson, sends a sifter in there, bad screen by Carlo on his own goalie. For those of you who like the hockey talk,

on that play, Carlo has Zetterlin on the opposite side of his goaltender, right? If he's already on that side as the shot's coming, you just have to wait. you have to stay on the Opposite side after the shots come then you worry about the box out. You don't want to screen your own goaltender It's the same reason the hella buck looked at Morrissey like what the fuck after he went crossbody screen on him So not ideal. Um, I'm curious to know if on him so not ideal I'm curious to know if the hit on JT early in overtime that put him out down the tunnel right so JT had I don't know if it was concussion

protocol I don't know if he got his bell rung and he took himself out down the tunnel that kind of scrambled things where they didn't do the five forward power play unit they went back to Riley on the point for that one. So mind you, I don't know if the reasoning for that was because earlier in the game, they gave up a shorthanded goal when they had the five forwards out and they're thinking, listen, we got four minutes here to score.

Let's not get score on again on our power play. Let's play it a little bit safer. I don't know if that's why Morgan Riley was out there, but you also can't blame that power play because they had five shots. I thought they had great sustained pressure. They hit the fucking post. Nine times out of 10, Austin Matthews

is putting that in the back of the net, especially in that building. That was the building where he played his first NHL game. He had a four goal game. He has luck in that building. So I said from the beginning, this series is gonna go five games. It's going to be a gentleman sweep

because the Toronto Maple Leafs are a classy organization. They wanted Ottawa to get a win at home. They wanted that young core group to get a taste of what it's like to have playoff win experience. But ultimately, the Leafs are a much better team. They're going to put a full 60 and they're going to pull it. But are they though, Biz? They've fucking gone to overtime pretty much every game. Are you worried about this at all?

Three games overtime. Yeah, this is playoff hockey. It's against Ottawa. You were saying there should have been, could have been a sweep, gentleman sweep at that. And I'm a Leafs guy with you, but you just barely beating Ottawa. Is that sending good signals to your brain

about who they're gonna have my words mark my words I'm marking them mark this one's over in five fucking games. Okay, okay So what are you gonna say if they somehow lose fucking assholes trying to plant the seed of doubt can suck my dick It ain't happening. I agree It's gonna go five games But going to overtime with Ottawa every game when they're the far superior team coming into this series Everyone has about entertainment. This isn't about sweeping teams

What about Bobby whole eat yeah Close them out when you can closing out in five games and getting to go home and getting two days off in between game four and five is conserving energy. Oh, he's foaming, Whit. He's foaming. He's foaming. He's foaming. He's foaming. I'll tell you this. You're right. All right. They won game four. We go back home. We take care of business. If Ottawa goes in and somehow brings them back to Ottawa, then it's going seven. That is straight out of Oilers Panthers last year. It was, hey, let's drag them back to Ottawa for six. Then it's going seven. That is straight out of Oilers Panthers last year.

It was, hey, let's drag them back to Bertha. Let's drag them back to Ottawa. Get a win in Toronto, and we're going seven. And then I think if they lose Tuesday night, it's panic time for ol' Busy Boy. And I can tell, the foam, the energy, the hat, if they win in five biz was right Nostradamus biz he's correct mark his words, but if they lose oh

My god, you're right. Oh my god. I was a little bit at the mouth there I was big it's a big is rabies came out there. Can we talk about this? I'll admit this though. I'll admit this. If they do lose game five, my arse hole will go from being this puckered up to about this puckered up. If they lose game six. Oh, you're done. It'll be about. You're gonna have a heart attack.

You're gonna have a heart attack. It'll be. That's how puckered up it'll be. There'll be a little butt plug in there and you'll be laying there. What happened to Biz? Oh, the Leafs blew another one. And I will I will bring up Leafs some impressive things. I don't know if Zub threw a weight vest on or Matthew Nyes was shot out of a rocket,

but that goal, he skated by him like it was like I was out there. And I was very happy for Zub. Get that hog off the screen. This is not acceptable. That's what I was doing when I saw that goal. Zub made a beautiful pass to Perron to make up for it when they went up three two, but that goal and that speed and then the move going that fast, boom,

little forehand snipe top shelf. I was like, oh my God, I can't wait till somebody nine and a half times eight offer sheets signed See ya That was Put right into my spank bank. That was one of the nicest goals I've ever seen Yeah, he was shooting fucking lightning bolts out of his ass as he just left Zub in his dust And you you said it the fact that speed, he was able to fake backhand,

go forehand, and go top cheese right where grandma hides the vibrators is absolutely banana lands. And this kid dude is incredible. They have to do whatever they can to lock him in. I think he is just as much, if not more, of a priority to re-sign than Mitch Marner. And at this point, much if not more of a priority to resign than Mitch Marner and at this point I would say more of a priority just because his game transfers more over to playoff hockey I think that the big dogs

For the most part have been excellent for the Toronto Maple Leafs I still think Stollers has been awesome happy with their D Very happy with the production from the back end for the Toronto Maple Leafs. That play from Willie Nylander over to Oliver Ekman-Larson with that quick release. Incredible, but listen, full marks to Ottawa for not giving up.

Some of these young guys getting it done for them. Pinto, I mean, if we're gonna compliment Nyes for getting shot out of the cannon, that PK goal, Pinto, like he was shot out of cannon incredible read Did you guys see my breakdown on that goal though with them having five forwards on the power play? Yeah, Matthews went way too low He if you don't yeah, if you don't have that's my one If I have one gripe with the Leafs is I feel like sometimes those guys are maybe a little bit too laissez faire, right?

They kind of just, because they're so talented offensively, like sometimes the hockey brain just tends to shut off to a little bit of a degree where I'm okay with Marner pinching on that strong side, I am. And he did have back pressure from Nice. Maybe not the best pinch, maybe the coaching staff doesn't want a pinching there, and maybe that's why Matthews hung in, but unless you have full possession on that wall,

especially at the fact that Ottawa's overloading, if you're Matthews, you could hang out at the blue line, and if it does get sent to the weak side, you're still gonna win that race for the puck. There's nobody over there. The farthest player for the Ottawa Senators to the weak side of the ice was at the far side dot. So Matthews would've won that race every day of the week.

So he cheats, he's fading away, and the minute Pinto's gone, it's breakaway season, there's no safety valve on the weak side. So that was one of my great, but Brady, fucking Gamer, a lot of their guys, I think that they definitely need more from Batherson, haven't necessarily been that impressed with him so far. Yeah. Stutzel getting that first goal for him, maybe that gets him going big time big right that was a hell of a shot cousins as well haven't necessarily seen the most out of him but Sanderson's been incredible for them

he's gonna be an absolute stud but I don't really have much else other than the fact that I ain't scared we're closing out in five different team suck my cock haters and we're on to Cleveland. All right, well that leaves us with, it's Cincinnati. How about the best, since we're on to Cleveland. It was Cincinnati. Oh, sorry, Cincinnati.

Speaking of that, the interview. What's going on? He looks, I think he's being held captive by her. Oh, no shit, eh? I don't know. Oh, yeah. She's doing his interviews, and what the hell is wrong with him? He's got a Navy. Yeah, no, I don't know. Oh, yeah, she's doing his interviews and what the hell is wrong with him? He's got it. We're not talking about that. It's got a Navy sweatshirt on with a rip in it

Like you're the coach in North Carolina. Would you not rock tar heels gear crazy crazy? I mean, I think that's why when you're 70 years old you don't date 24 years old, but none of my business none of my Well, I mean it it worked out for Shannon Sharp. But the fact that she's being tagged on emails for personnel stuff with the football team is bizarro land. Oh, she played. She played. She was a wide receiver.

No shit. Yeah. OK, well, that makes sense. He's going to coach the receivers. He had flag football. He was going to bring her to New England, but then he got fired, so he started dating her instead.

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That's correct. Yeah, a bit of an emotional roller coaster. I really thought that they were back in the series after that electric, electric double OT winner by Simone Nemitz. But yeah, I had a bit of a loss for words to be honest. Like this was not totally unexpected kind of where we sit today. And I've definitely been in better spirits out classed. I don't know about, I don't know about out class. I don't know about out class. I would say you're trying to fucking kill Anderson and that the fuck is that Timo Meyer? Timo Meyer could have had three penalties in that game

He buried Robinson, but not even near the puck. He ran over Anderson. I don't know how that wasn't called What did you make of the non-call Pasha? I would have been fine with it. I would have been fine with a two-minute minor. Like I don't think it was like malicious. Let's try and hurt the guy. I think it was just a bit reckless, but like Timo plays with that edge. He's a bull in a china shop. I love his game for that's part of why I love his game, but I would have been okay with with two minutes especially with Anderson getting hurt there. I mean it takes them double over time. Nemec, who you have been, I mean, very worried about, very hard on for a second

overall pick, it's like, ah, but he scores the goal and he's your hero. He's your hero. But just to win one game, it was that difficult. You outshot him by a good amount. You really thought going into game four, it was going to like go the devil's way, because my thought was it was that difficult to win one game. Carolina comes back to life and handles business. No problem. Game four. I was correct, Pasha. I had that call. I was right.

Well, just touching on Nemes, if you're looking for any positives in this series for the Devils, there's not many, but his play is definitely a positive. He has looked very good, stepped up to the moment, has his confidence back. If he can continue next year to play like he has this playoffs and he did in his first year, that's huge for the franchise going forward. Obviously, we've talked about how big of a disaster his regular season was this year. So he's looked great.

But I mean, what do you want me to say? What like they get a double OT win, they dominated that game, they outplayed them the game before they're back at home. Like, yeah, I'm not going to lie. I thought that they were gonna keep it rolling and win that game. Obviously, you know, first shot goes in and things, the wheels came off pretty, pretty quick.

But, you know, I was positive. I thought they'd win it. How about that read by Jacob Slaven, boys? Oh. Just that, like, he's got such good feet. To trust your feet where you come up as a defenseman like that and Make that pinch like inside the Offensive zone blue line and then to one touch it to himself on the backhand to his forehand

That's probably one as a Devils fan. You're frustrated to see go in like that angle shot Full credit to Slaven incredible play by him, but like similar to byfield What is nascent doing had so time, get that puck out and then Markstrom's the last guy I'm blaming for this series, but what is Markstrom doing there? Like tough, tough angle, but again credit to Slavin, incredible play, but Jesus Christ, Nason's got to get that puck out. Yeah, I think that I just am worried for Carolina about Anderson. It's just impossible for him to stay.

Fragile, very fragile. So do you think that was that a head injury? I think that was a whiplash. It didn't look that badly. It was a penalty. Two minutes interference kind of went into him hard. But I didn't think seeing that he'd be leaving the game. Yeah, there's certain goalies and like listen, you're not shitting on a guy for being injured. If you're injured, you're injured,

but some goalies are just very fragile. They had Auntie Ranta where every time he got touched, he'd be out, like three weeks out, okay. And some guys, it's just harder to rely on where the minute they get bumped, it's like they're down the tunnel and they're throwing their backup in like I talked to a few other guys Who are professionals who played net and they're like that's exactly why I would have started Kachakov because I trust them more and

And and and they basically were like oh shocker that this happened They said that this exact thing is inevitable when Anderson's a net he's gonna get touched He's gonna go down the tunnel and he's not gonna be relied upon to play the next game So hopefully he's back in there and it going back to I think what you asked Yans earlier like what does it do for a team when your goalie gets hurt and then he's back and he's battling through it a little Bit. Well, I guess we're gonna have to find out to next game to see if Anderson's in the net. But Kachekov, who played majority of the games this season, he started 47 of them or played in 47 of them. Anderson was a little banged up at certain points during the year, but towards the end of

the year, Kachekov, his play fell off. So I wasn't surprised to see them going to Anderson, but Anderson is not the, he's not the Vasilevsky. He's not the Bobrovsky. He's not the guy that you can play, you know, 55, 60 games in a regular season and expect to mentally to be fresh and go the full distance come playoff time. That's just history repeating itself.

That's a proven fact. But when he is, he's incredible. The numbers speak for themselves, but what do they say? The best... Ability is availability. Ooh! Wow, that's reading each other. That's why we brought you on board, baby.

That's why I lived, that was my whole career. But is like, I know goalies are kind of like, you know, people don't really talk to them like that. Like, I feel like someone in that team should be like, hey dude, we don't give a fuck that you're 50%. We think we have a better chance of winning if you're playing at 50 50%. Just give us a shot tonight.

Get out there and play. Whether it's concussion or not didn't look like a concussion. What's that? Oh, you skipped out there. Sorry. You just skipped out quickly. Yeah. I mean, that's just hard to imagine. Imagine like going up to a goalie, fucking put the pads on.

You're fine. He's like, all right, he's like beating through a beating tube. Now your fucking ass in there. Bryndamore made a great decision. He moved Shvetchenkoff up with Aho. Boom, he gets a quick goal early, ends up getting the hat trick. Awesome game for him. And the biggest problem, Jersey, you know, they're down 3-1.

But if their power play, one of the best power plays in the league, Pasha, could have done anything in this series, it could be different. They're 0 for 12. 0 for 12, and they've given up a shorthanded goal. They're the only team in the playoffs without a power play goal and one of five to give up a shorty. I think losing Luke

just threw that all through that all for a loop. You know, they just like they're out of sync. And Dougie hasn't looked great since he's been back. So, yeah, obviously special teams, which was their bread and butter

all year, has really, really cost them. Surprisingly, actually, they've carried play five on five. They've had the better five on five play, so it's kind of been the opposite of what I expected going into the series. But another not surprising stat, other than Nemitz's double OT winner, that was the only goal of the series for the Devils that Heesher, Bratt, or Meyer have not been involved with. So just zero secondary contributions. Could have seen this coming from a mile away and when you lose a guy like Jack Hughes, the only way of winning is when

you're just getting tons of third, fourth line contributions which the devils haven't. So Fitzie's got a lot of work to do in the offseason because you got to beef up that third and fourth line. And I do think that had Jack not been hurt, he would have taken a big time swing at sort of a Brock Nelson, kind of like that three C type. But yeah, you need contributions coming from the bottom of the lineup and they have not gotten that. Wow. Pasha Pasha Pasha. He's so level headed because yeah, if he was up three, one, we'd be dealing with a raging lunatic. So it's nice.

It's nice. It stinks for him that when he's normal, his team stinks, but it's nice for us. Pasha, I'll leave you with this as the power plays struggling and you think of a guy like Brady Kachuk, right? Like in front of the net, he helped power plays. You once said you would not do a Simone Nemec for Brady Kachuk one for one trade. Care, would you care to address that? Would you still stand by that? It was a bad take, bad take. We've all had him. stand by that? It was a bad take.

Bad take. We've all had him. You more than most. Yeah. Bad take. I'll take it back. Wow. Well, Posh is a new man with his girl.

He's got his girl. His girl's what I told him. Settle down. How is the girl, Posh? She's good, except G updated you guys in the chat. We're sitting there, game on Friday. Devils are up two rip. There's like, I don't know, 12 minutes guys in the chat. We're sitting there game on Friday. Devils are up two rip. There's like I don't know 12 minutes left in the third. She texts me I look at my phone. Devils won! And I'm just like oh no. Oh no. And

five minutes later it's a 2-2 game. Grinelli is just dying laughing and I'm sitting there just being like what a shit. Wait you didn't dump her? No, he said if they lost, he was done. He said, guys, good thing they won, I still have a girlfriend. Wow. Crisis was averted, but yeah, I would have had to do some reflection had they blown that game.

So I texted her, I was like, from now on, none of those texts, you gotta double, triple check before you're sending any texts like that. So crisis averted, thank God. Hey, might as well learn when she's young right before it gets too serious and playoff He had sent her flowers then the text came through they tied it He switched it to anthrax then he had to cancel that order when they won so it was good. She's still with us Pasha, thank you very much. Let's see if they could bring it back to Jersey

I'm guessing this one's probably ending in five, as most people saw. But thanks for coming on, buddy. You're so normal and nice and not crazy. And maybe the Devils getting back in the mix will bring back that crazy Posh. Don't worry, the deranged Posh is bottled up and it'll be out there next year and for the next decade when they're a wagon, so.

It's kind of nice not having to run the disclaimer, too. Just kind of bring them in nice transition. No, we're closer to a disclaimer for you with the leaves. Oh yeah, okay. All right, Pasha, see you buddy. I think the foam on my lips is the disclaimer. When I get my rabies. We're on to the quick hits now.

That was all eight series, which is actually insane that we talked Friday morning and then that much shit happened. So imagine imagine next Friday when we come back to you, GameNotes will have you Wednesday at noon. But just wild. What a first round. Coaching Carousel. It's getting crazy. We talked to Kevin Hayes. He was he was kind of crying, actually. Pittsburgh Penguins have relieved Mike Sullivan of head coaching duties.

Now, I don't know if it was more a mutual decision. I've read some things that maybe Mike Sullivan's looking at, like I can kind of really change the coaching payment market. Oh, you think? Like what this guy, Kevin Weeks, put my conversation with several team owners, executives and coaches, given the timing, seven billion plus NHL revenues and other factors, Sullivan can reset the coaches compensation market Does he get to or eclipse the high water mark seven million dollars per season? I You hear Boston in New York, right back and forth back and forth

He has coached both of those teams if I'm correct, right or was he the assistant? Oh, I have no, I have no clue. Coach Bruins, that's when R.A. had the bag over his head. I think he was the assistant for torts in New York. Maybe. No. Quinny?

Maybe assisted for Quinny? I also think that like. No. What am I talking about? No, no. He would have, he was in Pittsburgh when Quinny was there. Like $7 million for a coach. Like really?

Babs, Babcock style. Isn't, isn't the, isn't the league a what have you done for me lately league, especially with the coaches? Not with coaches. I think that- To get that much money? No, I think that he's smart enough to realize there's a situation going on right now

where there's a lot of desperate teams. There's also a few teams who essentially have like, I don't want to say unlimited budgets, like Boston's a pretty notoriously cheap team. They've had to change their ways for like keeping McAvoy and Posternak and a few other players and haven't gotten more with the times. But obviously there's a lot of pressure on Sweeney and K and Melee right now. And it's an original six franchise. So they're going to want somebody with a type of allure bringing in a multiple Stanley Cup champion is going to be able.

When you're sitting at that press conference, it's going to go a lot better than their last one. Let's just put it that way, right? When they got asked about their drafting abilities. So they could put a band-aid on last season if they're able to bring in a guy of his stature or of Rick Tauket's stature. But the minute that Rick Tauket signs a deal, if he does beforehand, let's say, who's the next best available coach? I mean, you could say Quinville, but Quinville is in a situation where he's probably going

to have to take less than what he's actually worth given with what's gone on in the past and Might have to find himself as I believe Kevin Weeks tweeted out like the eye emojis or maybe it was Butcher Gras It was Quinville and Anaheim Ducks a place where maybe he can fly under the radar a little bit more not necessarily A team like Boston where it's a media circus where if you bring in Quinville, it's going to be a five ring circus. So I look at talk it and I look at Sullivan who are probably going to be looking at around the five and a half, $6 million ranges as head coaches. So perfect timing for

Sullivan. Uh, he gets to get out of a situation where maybe it's a little bit overdue. Pittsburgh doesn't look like they're in win mode now. I don't think much is going to change. I don't think they're going to be a playoff team again next year, regardless of Cindy Crosby keeps doing what he's doing. So he gets to go move on to greener pastures, a team that's more prepared right now to win and also to a team who can hand them the ultimate bag. Now I also think it's ridiculous if you sign him

to like a five year, six, seven million dollar deal. I think it's ridiculous. I don't think any head coach should be getting paid that much money. Because at the end of the day, most of these guys are running the same systems. There's a few different variations of them, and you can get just as much value out of a guy

making three to four as you can a guy making six to seven. Would you say the same about NFL, or do you think based on how much more coach? Way different. Yeah. We're talking about a game, we're talking about a game that is literally five second plays. Like it's literally all about the play that you're drawing up. Hockey is like... Coaches win and lose games in the NFL. Coaches, exactly. Where hockey it's like, like how many different variations of a four check are there? Oh, let's go with a split four check.

Or let's hang back like the Kings and just hang out with the blue line. Like fuck, I could tell them to do that, right? I should be getting paid. I got a question. If you're a Bruins fan or player, or no, let's go fan, so maybe G can pop in. Would you rather have Mike Sullivan

who's already been there, obviously during tougher times, but would you rather Mike Sullivan is your coach or Rick Tauke at both of them, Tauke played in Boston a little bit. Sully's from there. Why would they want that job? I don't want the pool job. I think that the Tauke situation makes sense for Boston

because they're gonna have a decent amount of younger players. Tauke is good with his staff on developing as much as coaching. Also, they have a few guys locked into long-term deals that he has coached, Linholm and Zadorov. And those guys both, I wouldn't say Linholm as much, but Zadorov played his best hockey under Rick Tauke. So in order to maybe put a bandaid on those bad signings, at least as of last year, as well as help develop prospects,

I think the answer would be Tocquet more so than Sullivan for them. Oh yeah, I mean I think I can speak for Bruins fans and say that nobody wants to deal with this father-in-law bullshit that's gonna come up. What does that mean? Who's the connection there? It's Marley McEvoy. Charlie McEvoy is married to Mike Sullivan's daughter.

Who cares? Yeah, but he's coached Connish Sheree. It's about every day you turn on the radio in Boston sports radio. If you want to talk about aggressive media markets, that's Boston. Every time you turn on the radio and they got to name a captain this year. What if they named Charlie McEvoy the captain and then it's all, oh, Mike Sullivan, father in law, he's just looking out for his spot, his son in law here.

So I think Bruins fans want Rick Tocket like more than anyone. And I think there'd be, you know, David Karl is ahead of the list above Mike Sullivan and we probably know, you know, David Karl just pulled himself, pulled his name out of the Blackhawks. Yeah, that was weird. Hey, that's a tough look for the Blackhawks considering like they give them a monster five year offer. Oh, that's what they offered them.

That yeah, it was a five year deal. I've read apparently he, um, I'm going on the word of somebody who said he was asking for a little bit more, ummaking in the personnel type, part of being a coach where you're reaching into two different bags there. In the end, he decides to go back to Denver as it looks right now. I just think like Mike Sullivan, he's leaving Pittsburgh with no prospects and I'm not saying that's his fault, but it was just such a tough couple of years. Then you go to Boston where it's kind of a similar situation. I mean, I see him in New York.

Yeah, but you're going to get a top pick too, though. Yeah, but I think Boston's in a way better situation moving forward than New York is. Yeah, but not in the next two years, not in the next two years. Oh, God, I think New York's breaking it down. Like, I think in the next two years. Not in the next two years. Oh, God, I think New York's breaking it down. Like, I think in the next two years, Boston's still in a better spot. They have a top five pick this year. David Poshnock, Morgan Geeky just scored 30 goals.

Charlie McEvoy, Jeremy Swainman. You got to sign Geeky. They'll sign him. Juddy's got us locked up. Juddy's looking out for the bees. But one thing about David Karl I would like to bring up is Bucigross mentioned this earlier, and I thought this was super interesting because

Torney is still the coach in Utah, but he mentioned David Karl to Utah possibility Just because of like you said the decision-making he thinks that Ryan Smith would do something a little bit unconventional and give him roster capabilities You know what I mean? He can pay, Ryan Smith is probably gonna pay and he'll give you a long-term deal. So it's interesting. Yeah, there's a lot going on right now. Yeah, right now, let me read this one.

Either way, these guys are gonna get paid. Did you get any word on money for Carl? No. You have to imagine it was around five millionish, that's a guess. That's crazy. For a guy who's never coached a game in the National League, that's wild. And what you would assume would be Kyle Davidson's last, if that didn't go well, you got to think he's gone. But Frank Zell have already tweeted, right now, head coaching vacancies,

Bruins, Rangers, Flyers, Blackhawks, Ducks, Kraken, Penguins, and to be determined the Canucks and the Islanders. So it It's gonna be a. That's fucking crazy, dude. I know. That's why I said it's ridiculous to offer a coach six, seven million. Like look at the coach in Carousel, it's a fucking joke now.

Like there's no longevity for coaches. Oh, it's not working, next guy. It's not working, next guy. No onus on the general managers anymore. That's why I think it's crazy for Carl to even leave college. One coach I would love to see is Patrick Wath. He gets if he if he gets fired from the Islanders, he him in Boston would be such a like a funny story like he tells Montreal the fuck off. He's done with the franchise.

He goes to their franchise, his biggest rival. That would be an awesome story. Yeah. You got to be the only Bruins fan hoping that they hire Patrick Waugh. I just want to see the world burn. You, Dr. Seuss? Yance, what were you going to say? No, I was just saying that that's that's why I think if I if I'm Matt Carl, I'd

stay in college for the rest of my life. Like these jobs like you could like Jack Parker. How long was he in Boston for? Forty years. Yeah, but the Bru of my life. Like these jobs, like you could, like Jack Parker, how long was he in Boston for, 40 years? He had the Bruins off for once. But if Carl's making a million bucks at school, like you sign your five-year deal, you sign your $25 million ticket,

you go back to college. Like if he ever goes back to college, he can go to any program he wants to. Obviously Denver is an elite program, but he could go to another elite program. And by then they're probably gonna have Division I schools in like Texas and Florida and all these other sunny states where you'd rather even be to begin with.

So I- That was a guess on the offer. I'm just, you gotta think that's right where it was around. Maybe a little below five. In terms of, you mentioned quickly, Quenville with my bet for who gets a 5,000 bucks too with Pasha, that the Ducks get a cup before the Devils, God, I would want Q to get hired by them.

That core, that young group, Carlson, Gaultier, Lacombe, oh my, I mean, there is so much there to bring in a guy who's won all those Stanley Cups with young guys Playing major roles in the lineup and biz you bring it up the lack of media circus, Southern, California You're not going to deal with the madness that makes a lot of sense to me So we'll see what ends up happening there But yeah, it is crazy to see how many coaches are I, how many vacancies there are right now. And I guess Elliot Friedman mentioned that he could see Mike Sullivan with the Rangers tomorrow.

So, I don't know. I could see that. And they got the money to spend. Dolan's got unlimited budget. And yeah, that's probably. You bring up Kyle Davidson. This is kind of his, maybe his last hire, if things go poorly.

Chris Drury, if things struggle and they do hire Mike Sullivan, you, you wonder, um, his job security. Now he just signed an extension, but nowadays, biz, you said it, the coaches get gassed and the GMs keep living. As, as a Rangers fan, what's the difference between Mike Sullivan and Peter Labialette? Not a hell of a lot.

Like why bring in, you know, the same type of guys, same, you know, old school, like Sullivan and Peter LaViolette? Not a hell of a lot. Like why bring in the same type of guys, same old school, cut from the same cloth type of coach? Like I'm bringing in something completely different. They do seem quite similar actually. Well how many cups does LaViolette have? One. How many does Sullivan have?

Two. That's the difference. All right. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Boys, I don't know if, I mean, we've got a big chat right now. I believe there's like about 6,000 people watching.

Maybe it's dipped a little bit. Maybe we take a couple, like, what's the theme going on in the chat right now? I haven't been looking. What are most people asking about? I mean, obviously they probably missed most of what went on earlier, but any common theme as to what they're asking for, G? haven't been looking, what are most people asking about? I mean, obviously they probably missed most of what went on earlier, but any common theme

as to what they're asking for, G? It's a lot of where is Mike Sullivan gonna end up? Your Matthew Nye's comment kind of got people a little rattled earlier about you'd rather pay Matthew Nye's over Mitch Marner. People are asking what would Matthew Nye's cost at the least resign him? So that's an interesting one.

Well, not as much as Mitch Marner. Yeah, I mean,. Yeah, getting him at eight or eight and a half compared to 14 So I don't think you're good. I think at this point you're probably looking at between eight and a half and nine for Matthew Nyes now I don't have I obviously talk to people like not like this could be complete bullshit But my understanding is it could get to the point where he's there, him and his agent are gonna push things to where it goes past July 1st, where he does get the possibility to get an offer sheet. I think that that would be bullshit. If they were to offer him a healthy contract

of like a eight times eight and a half, which I would offer him today. And he's like, no, no, we'll see how things go. It's like, buddy, we fucking developed you. You've gotten the opportunity to play with Mitch Marner, Austin Matthews, William Nylander, and be put on a pedestal. This was his breakout year,

which I believe he didn't hit the 60 point mark. So we're gonna give you fucking, how much is eight times eight and a half? I'm the rocket scientist, but that's just under $70 million. $68? Six, yeah. If you turn that down,

I might fucking meet him in Toronto and fucking challenge him to a scrap if he doesn't sign that deal. Like I'm fucking serious. You're just straight up going him, because he doesn't wanna be in the- I'm gonna say fuck you. You fucking signed that fucking deal right now,

you piece of shit. Man, that's going to be an interesting storyline. Marner's just so good. He is so good. If Marner wants to be greeted about it, I understand it because of the disrespect he's felt, in a sense of at the deadline this year, after putting up 100 point season,

that they were prepared to get rid of him for Rottenen. And then offer Rottenen eight times 13 and a half. Cause I believe that that's what the number that Rottenen was being offered. So if you're Mitch Marner, you're like, wow, I'm getting that. And if not, I'm getting eight times 14. Cause I'm just going to be a little bit of a,

like I'm going to be a little spiteful in the sense that you try to do that to me where I get it, right? And Matthew Nyes reminds you he's restricted. Marner can be a free agent. He's earned that right. So I'm taking, if the contracts were eight times eight and a half or even eight times nine, I'm taking Matthew Nyes at eight times nine over Mitch Marner at eight times 14. And if you're in the chat and you disagree with me, you can suck a fart out of my asshole.

Is there a world that they can have both of them? Buddy, I mean fuck that. Well, Tavares would be gone unless he's making one and a half. Tavares would have to take league minimum. Yeah. I've heard stories he wants to retire there. That's where he wants to be. So I feel like he could take a discount.

Obviously not, probably not a million bucks, but I feel like those cruel guys have to come together like Sid and Gino and LaTang did and be like, hey, what should we be making? They've done the exact opposite of that. Opposite, opposite. But now they can read, like they can do that. And not even on eight year deals.

On like five year deals. And six and seven year deals. So other than that, anything else with the chat? We appreciate you guys for hanging around. We went over two hours. Unbelievable hockey so far. Every series is. Savaris has made 111 million, Biz.

So you really, really, really wanna be a Leaf give me give me to give me a year at 1.5 who cares how that ain't happening I would I would I would offer him a deal of three times three would be nice three times nine get it to 120 for the career yeah even, even numbers OCD last thing from the chat guys Oh have your cup picks changed at all since now that we've seen some games If I'm gunned to my head, gunned to my head watching that last Colorado Avalanche game I would have to lean to them. I think it's gonna be Colorado Leafs final I've obviously still ride with my Leafs, but if it was like pick a fucking team pick a fucking team

And I'm picking Colorado after that last performance. I'm a little panicked that Florida is like on the path to possibly do this again. Coming off a five-one loss, but they had a bunch of shots, like if they end up, if they squeeze through this series in five somehow, they will smash, smash the Leafs. Like I want that series more than anything,

just to watch you implode and foam all over TNT Studios as Florida bullies the Leafs, just like they did two years ago. Yeah, my picks hasn't changed. I still think the winner of the Dallas, Colorado, they're gonna go to the finals and the winner of Florida Tampa are going to the finals. Yeah, you said that from the beginning. Gans, we love you. I love you guys. I got one last thing to say, just kind of a shout out, kind of like some tough news.

So you guys know I do listen to the Kirk Minahan show a lot. It's a great, great show. It's a crazy community. Kirk, over the years, has brought in listeners to kind of be the third chair and the fourth chair. And a guy, he goes by Cinema Lords, right? So he's been on before. He played on his basketball team. Real name Nick Soares. I hope I'm saying that correct. Everyone knows him as Cinema Lords. 32 years old, passed away this weekend. So when you listen to the show, like this guy would come on. He was kind of a big part of the Minahan world. And I even ran into somebody at the airport yesterday. Right away they came up like, how about Cinema Lords? I never met the guy or anything, but I'd heard him on the show and he was talked about a

lot. So just kind of heartbreaking news for a guy that just a funny guy with like, just very funny. He hilarious kind of Boston accent and and just like awesome dude on the show. That world is kind of like people can be miserable to each other. It's a wacky world. But it seemed like in reading everything on Twitter about him, like everyone loved this guy. Like I mentioned, I hadn't met him, but I know Kirk was was you know really upset And it's just kind of tough

You know you listen to a show daily and all of a sudden a guy was a part of the show Passes away at 32 years old just just wanted to show showed him out brutal news, but Yeah, ending with that's kind of tough, but we're back tonight. We got Tampa, Florida, crazy game four, that'll be crazy. They've only played three games. And then what else do we have, boys? Dallas, Colorado, correct? I'm losing my mind here. Yes, Dallas, Colorado, 930, game five, back in Dallas.

We'll see what happens. Thank you so much to everyone who tuned in. We love you guys. Do you want to live show fun? Biz, 11 games this weekend, and you were ripping ready to go. Yance, I know you were at the La Crosse fields. Both girls won the title I saw.

Congrats, Yance. Congrats, man. That's awesome. Thank you. And I'm back on a normal schedule. It was a great vacation. It was so much fun with the fans. Good for you, Will. You deserve it, buddy. Thank you, guys. Love you guys.

And just to all the fans who are still in the chat and watching, the reason we do this is for you guys. We love you. I know it was a crazy weekend at TNT, but the game of hockey is in such an amazing place. And it just pumps me full of fucking adrenaline. And it just makes this job so easy as much as you guys Watching and listening so we love you and yeah fucking rights life is good boys

Good go Go oil bring this thing back drag them back to Berda. Oh, yeah, I'm in baby Chat love you all thanks for listening. We will see you Friday God knows what we have to talk about that piece great job fishy G posh everybody in the back, too. We love you all. Thanks for listening. We will see you Friday. God knows what we have to talk about then. Peace. Great job, Fishy, G, Pasha, everybody in the back too. We love you. I don't know any other way This feeling is so hard to break I don't know why the other way

Is feeling so hard to break I'll get you some new