Spittin Chiclets - Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 561: Featuring Curtis Joseph

Episode Date: May 9, 2025

On Episode 561 of Spittin’ Chiclets, The guys are Joined LIVE by Leafs Legend Curtis Joseph (Cujo) to breakdown the second round so far between the Leafs and the Panthers. But first, with an absolute barn burner last night between Vegas and Edmonton, Ol’ Whitty boy is fired up for the Oilers OT Winner. TUNE IN LIVE and don’t miss any action. 00:00:00 - START 00:00:25 - Where’s Keith? 00:07:19 - Edmonton Vs. Vegas 00:11:55 - Keith Joins Late 00:31:44 - Curtis Joseph A.K.A Cujo Joins the Show 00:40:31 - Leafs Vs. Panthers Series 01:24:59 - Washington Vs. Carolina 01:36:12 - Greensboro Gargoyles News 01:39:33 - Dallas Vs. Winnipeg 01:49:54 - Quick Hits Support the Show: PINK WHITNEY: Take Your Shot with Pink Whitney GAMETIME: Download the Gametime app today and use code CHICLETS for $20 off your first purchase NOBULL: Visit https://nobullproject.com/chiclets for 30% off your entire order. BODYARMOR: Get your BODYARMOR today at Walmart or a local grocery store near you! https://www.walmart.com/brand/bodyarmor/bodyarmor-sports-drinks-and-zero-sugar-sports-drinks/10009696You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/schiclets

Hey, spitting chicken listeners, you can find every episode on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon music. Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed to the jungle that is Boston sports. Our white whale Sydney Crosby. Shave his head. Shave his head. Shave his head. Ryan Whitney, Paul Bissonnette, R.A., Mike Grinelli, Spitton Chicklands. What is up, folks? I thought you guys were fucking with me.

What is up? Yeah, we'll get to that in a second. But first, welcome to episode five sixty one. You'll notice somebody's missing somebody's teams down. Oh, too. I don't know what to say, but we do have a lot to say about Pink Whitney, which is why we're here. Take your shot with Pink Whitney. We're episode five hundred and sixty one of Spittin' Shake Off. We're middle of the second round. Things are buzzing. And so is life with Pink Whitney, right, Bizz?

Mother's Day is coming up. What else would your mom or wife rather than a big old handle of Pink Whitney bug? I got her a case, that's it. No flowers, no nothing, just a case of Pink Whitney. Not even a card, just hey, here you go, honey. Well, I wrote it on the cardboard box. What?

I wrote it on the outside of the cardboard box that holds the bottles. Okay, that's perfect. Yeah, I actually got different nips of Pink Whitney from my wife. I left them all over the house and I said, I actually paid for these. These weren't free. So happy Mother's Day, sweetie. I love you. And I hope everyone out there takes care of their mothers, their wives, their sisters who are moms. Anyone in your life would love a little Pink Whitney. Spring is here, summer's coming. so take your shot with Pink Whitney. Thank you so much. Biz, this is all time. This isn't real. I'm living in simulation right now. And this is just great for you. Kind of hurts me because I'm the Leaf hater and then I got to shout you guys out,

different team this year. Looking just fantastic. But I needed my guy. Before we go any forward, you as well, congratulations. 2-0 on the road especially. Are you kidding me? What a win. What a win. So we're in the winner's circle at this point. We're in the winner's circle, yes.

As Gantz, my nostalgia, the memory's going a little bit right here. I'm so flustered. He's got me in a blender. I thought that maybe you and Keith had planned this for him to not show up at the start. start and maybe you have and I just don't know it yet. Kind of like you trolling on Twitter as of late trying to reverse mush the leafs. So going back to your why don't give that look. Don't don't give that look please. I see you saying the

series online and listen I had a nice game two celebratory video and maybe they want to pull it up and we can go through it. But as soon as the videos go out, I know it's back to business. I'm not getting ahead of myself here. I'm not going to start acting as if though this series is science sealed and delivered. The next two games for the Toronto Maple Leafs

will be the hardest games any of those players in the lineup have ever Played in their entire life. They are gonna throw two wins for sure. Oh, let's play it. So here's the video Calm cool Collected to nothing bitches So wit little backstory questions, little backstory. So game one against Florida, I had the bet gala with barstool. They threw it on at the sports book draft king sports book. Um, just off of Frank Lloyd Wright Avenue near TPC Scottsdale. So I go there on Monday. Well that's game one.

So I'm like, okay, like I'm not going to wear my like lucky stuff there, but I'll be done by the first period and I'll take off. So will they start the game? Well, they're up three, one after the first. So I start a little bit of the second period and I'm like, ah, man, like, like do I leave? Because I'm turning into one of those fans now that if your team's playing good and you're watching it at a certain location, I don't wanna mix with the, mess with the juju.

I don't wanna mess with the feng shui. So I go home, fucking goalie gets injured, Stolarz comes out, and then all of a sudden, it's a fucking shootout, obviously we end up winning the game, but nonetheless, I had that feeling like, whoa, as a fan, I'm partly responsible for not only the injury to stole ours, but the fact that they almost came back and won.

But we held the fort, win the game, lesson learned, as a business to fan. So I have a massage booked for game two, starting at 4 o'clock. As soon as I get in the room, put on the TV, Anthem's puck drop. Well, we're up late in that game. There was probably about 10 minutes left.

I said to her, I said, you gotta keep rubbing me till we win, and she agreed to it. I stayed there the entire time. She rubbed me an extra 30 minutes, and we got to get that video in celebratory style, two nothing leafs, unreal start to the series. I was waiting for a pan up up the camera and to just see like Taylor Piot or one of your buddies

or Joey Superstein just rubbing your scalp. G wrote Bonnie Blue on Instagram. Not Bonnie, it was not Bonnie. Well, we have a lot to get into. I have a bunch of questions for you, but we're having, Jesus, Kujo on, Curtis Joseph, all time goalie in the NHL, Maple Leafs legend. He's coming on in about, I don't know, 25 minutes.

So I figured we'd start with the oil. Now why would I wanna start with the oil? Let's start with the oil, absolutely. I just wanted to give my video explanation, because I'm sure a lot of people are wondering where the fuck was this guy. Was he at the time of Seuss Parlor, like asking him to like do this video

and throwing the game on the big screen? What was the other thing I just wanted to mention quick? Oh, from a fan standpoint, do you do that? Because I'm sure there's tons of fans out there. I want to say Hank from Barstool, he got stuck on a concourse for like a Super Bowl game because of the way the Patriots were playing. I think he ended up like watching the game from the concourse on one of the six Super

Bowl titles that the Pats got. I have never been like that. And we were chirping you on the group chat a little bit or Grunelli said he's like that. I mean, I don't know, he like switches outfits and stuff. I've always thought it's insane. But then after you talked about it, I was going to watch the game on the Oilers of the Oilers game in my basement, just a little more quiet, great couch down there.

Oh yeah. And what happened? I'm like, I can't sit here. You got in my head. I think I'm full blown fan now. I'm full blown into the mix as a true fan was. It's like we never played. I mean, it was a different life.

It was a different life. It was years ago, Biz. We're now full blown oiler leaf junkies in the middle of a war trying to raise Lord Stanley. And I'm not gonna do anything that'll screw up my career. I'm not gonna do it. You don't wanna be the one to cost him. You don't wanna be the one to cost him.

So same thing, stretching and intermission, doing, yeah, yeah. Oh, it's unreal. Get very flexible, working on my hand bones, and then I'm just making sure, okay, stay loose, stay calm. I don't really stay as calm as you've stayed throughout your little run here. You know, you're six and two, Biz. So am I. We're both six and two. A lot of people around the internet are talking about a crash course in the Stanley Cup final. I'm not even thinking about it. We're not there yet.

Mentally we're not there yet. Way, way, way too far away. But I am thinking about the Oilers and Calvin Pickard. It is absolutely insane what this guy's doing. I mean, he's six and oh. I don't even know, can the chat look up? I'm not reading the chat, because G's texting us things,

because maybe Jans might come to the show today I don't know if he's actually gonna show up has he ever even started six NHL games in a row let alone win and we're talking regular season he has come in and changed everything and I don't think anyone saw it coming I myself after down 2-0 to the Kings is like I I don't know yeah we're going back to the Terror Dome. The Oilers are now calling Rogers the Terror Dome. I think they're sending me over some stuff, and we know it is a Terror Dome.

That's an evolutionary name, where it wasn't around last year, they just did it this year? I think so because I'm seeing the comments, what is this Terror Dome? What are we talking about, Terror Dome? But then some fans are dying in, it's the Terror Dome. It's Rogers, right? Go in But then some fans are dying in. It's the Terror Dome. It's Rodgers, right?

Go in and try to get a win in Rodgers. But this series started and bing bang boom, Mark Stone 2-0. And I'm like, oh my God. Jesus, I didn't need this, right? I didn't need a 2-0 deficit, right? We've won four in a row. We're buzzing right now. And for some, I have no reason why someone's looking down

upon the Oilers right now and has touched us with depth scoring. And they've touched us with playoff Connor Brown, who just loves playing in big games. Great interview with Army the other day. They've touched us with the Vander Canes health. Let me tell you, a Vander Cane showing up to a road game in a Rolls Royce, it's one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen. I believe he did it in LA, maybe a Ferrari

or something like that. I mean, I always thought you took the team bus, you maybe walked over with teammates. I think Connor Brown was with him at least one time in LA. He showed up in a Rolls-Royce, and as you mentioned, Biz, you'd think guys are preparing for what they want to do on the forecheck, what they want to do on the for check what they Want to do on the PK? I thought Connor Brown would show up at a tractor before he would a Lamborghini like I mean You know seems like more of a meat and potatoes kind of hailing Bay guy Balan hey kind of guy, but

Well, I said I think that mcdavid might have sent him with came like make sure he doesn't stop And just get him to the game in the Rolls Royce. And you know what? A Vander Kane, as I mentioned in the group chat can ride in on an elephant with women and men fanning them off with coolness. He was actually supposed to go with Lamar Odom. And then they were like, no way that's not happening. We're sending Connor Brown instead. Lamar will get his own car service. For anyone that's right now in our lives.

Biz had an all time line last night. He said Lamar's been seeing on Twitter that this year's playoffs is on crack. So he reached out to his publicist and he's like, hey, watch it. Reach out to the Golden. That's one for the pod, not one for Twitter. I thought I'd keep that one in the group chat. I think smart mode, smart. Yeah.

Starting to evolve, you know, get, use my filter a little bit. The brain, but man, I think that after the first period and even 10 minutes into game one, I said the oilers like don't change. Like they were playing phenomenal. Like they, they really own game one and credit to Vegas They came back and they changed a lot up. It seemed like the neutral zone was so hard to get through Alright gee upon reviewing Calvin Pickard's NHL career It appears that prior to his recent six consecutive playoff starts with the Edmonton Oilers

He had not previously started six straight NHL games during the 2016 17 seas with the avalanche picker played in 50 games All right, whatever. He hasn't done it. There's no record of him doing it. He's done it in the playoffs. So back to game two. I I don't know if you agree Vegas was a different team. They all yeah, they looked more dialed the neutral zone as I mentioned and McDavid and what I was gonna say you were about to mention it. They did a great job of shutting down McJesus. They, he had nothing going and neither did Leon and it was weird. Yes, the time and space wasn't there

but they were even like fumble fucking the puck a little bit. Like it was just, it was not, it was not what you usually have come to see from the two greatest playoff performers the league has seen since Gretzky and Lemieux. So I'm kinda like, Jesus Christ, but somehow this fourth line,

Pod Colson, he has six points in the playoffs. Six points, Jan Markle. That fourth line, they just keep coming at you, coming at you, and what happens? McDavid and Dries, oh! Oh, hey there. Times 1130. No no no no no Kujo 1130. Pod starts at 11. We don't start there. I said 1130 on the Chicklets video because I thought it was 1130 but then I saw it was 11 on the text. Okay that's okay. No

worries. Hand up accountability. No worries. I was trimming my beard. Nothing's going right in Florida. Well Keith we're talking about Edmonton and we're talking about some feeling and something going on that I can't describe. Tyler Yaremchuk, which is a, he pretty much runs Oilers Nation, big Oilers fan, does a lot with daily face-off. He texted me after, he said, this is even better than last year because last year everything went right until the finals. Everything went right. It was smooth sailing. This year, it seems like nothing's going right, and they can't stop winning.

So it's like, if you're winning these games, that you really have no business winning. Game two, they had no business winning. We will get into the refs. One of the worst missed calls I'll ever see, and to have it cause an injury actually is even worse. Now, a lot of Oilers fans are like, that's karma, they've missed calls on us for years, this is bullshit, Ekholm, High Stick, last time we played them two years ago. I don't subscribe to that, guys. I'm an honorable fan.

I'm not somebody that's jumping off the bandwagon here and there, I'm somebody who's sticking with my team and calling out the refs when we got a great call. Now, will I take it? Yeah, I'll take it. Who wouldn't take it? That's a gift from the refs because McNabb looked injured.

I mean, I texted the group, it looked like his shoulder might have popped open. Not good, huge loss for them. Arvindson, anyone out there saying he caught an edge, go watch the video and turn your brain on. He, dude, he can't open to him. And the top right picture shows that he didn't catch an edge with his right foot.

His stick literally just can't open to his foot and he would find it to the boards that got injured. But ref Smith's calls, that's what happens. And I don't want to win in a way like that, but I want to win. Yeah, I was a little shocked to see no call there, especially after they'd been given the five minute major. Now that might be one of the more bigger brain farts

I've ever seen in a Stanley Cup playoffs game where Nicholas Wah just gave Trent Frederick, he took, tried to check out his upper deck. Like he cross checked them right in the face. Like I don't, sometimes if you'd watched the whole game or maybe the last two games, uh, Frederick, like maybe he's given them these little pokes and these little jabs where he's irritating them. He's maybe beating them in a couple of wall battles where it's made them look bad. So maybe at that point was just completely irritated by this guy, but something clearly snapped, right?

The wires crossed in his brain enough to him go straight legged, look at him, and just give him full extension cross check right to the upper deck. It's like he found out his wife was cheating on him that morning and took it out on Frederick. That's the only reason, I lost sleep over it last night. With Frederick.

Can you show, can you show the quick image again? I think based on the top, I think that he might've thought that Frederick was gonna cross check him and he was like meeting him maybe. I'm trying. The puck was up in the air. That's the only thing. The puck was like kinda there and I don't know if he was kind

of, I've never seen somebody cross check the puck. Cause I don't think Waa is a dirty player and that's not beyond dirty That's just like your brain turned off like literally your brain. It started coming out of your ears And yeah, and you need to turn it back on and suck it back in like a vac where your your theory makes sense though Cuz by the time that he gets it in the face Frederick's arms are out in a cross check position in the face, Frederick's arms are out in a cross check position, but more where you normally have them, like chest height, not right for the top grill

of the guy's mouth. Frederick's a big lad too. And he's not dirty, he's not dirty. He's an honest hell of a player. I mean, they don't have depth players like us. Let's go back to Gary Lawless. Gary! Oh no. Gary!

Gary! We got a better goaltender, we got a better depth, we got a... Coaches pinky in the brain. Because Aiden Hill right now. Hey, I got Gary Lawless. For those of you listening, he's got a happy face drawn on his thumb. Gary wrote me this morning, he goes, please don't get me fired.

That's not us. Sad face. That's brutal. That's brutal. That guy's got a family, man. Come on. Hey, when they didn't score on that power play, I said, I don't see a way we can win this game. Like the vibes on the bench getting that kill.

Now, the first unit went on, they got nothing accomplished. By the way, I don't think that the Oilers have scored a power play goal on the road yet this year. They didn't have one last night, right? I don't think they have a road power play goal. Chat, correct me if I'm wrong. Gee, I'm not looking because I'm trying to concentrate. But when they killed it off, I'm like, oh my God, we're done. But Jesus Christ, does this team have belief?

Does this team have a drive to never give up, never give in? I mean, Corey Perry, guys, the dish he gave, that was him that did he give it over to McDavid just flying through the middle? And let's get ahead of this. Anyone chirping, Ikel, if you took sperm from Scott Niedemeier, Kale McCarr, and Bobby Orr and built a defenseman out of that sperm with new age skates that didn't even exist yet, nobody's stopping them. That is like, you're flat-footed in the neutral zone against Superman coming at you. So I don't- You just have to pray.

It's like, what is that? What is that YouTube guy? iShowSpeed? It's like him combined with, I don't know what else. Who else is really fast? The Wiley Coyote. Or the Coyote, the Road Runner. I'm all over the place.

But don't chirp Eichel on that. Eichel had, he was done. He was done. Well he was probably still in shock at the fact that they didn't call a penalty on Arvidsson and that the game was still going on at five on five. Just an incredible, like how about Dreisaitl too, just hanging in the weeds, slows up just a little bit.

He knows exactly where he's gonna get it to him and the minute he gets it over to him, it's in the back of the net. So just an iconic two-on-one from those guys. Unfortunately, McJesus put the roller blades on Ikel and he was doing the chopstick dance. That's a tough one. That's a that's like a na na na na na na na when you get to your hotel room and, or even home for him and you see you're all over ESPN getting dummied. But you mentioned it with like, I didn't think their depth was as good

coming into these playoffs. Like it wasn't, it hadn't proven itself. Like the fact that Skinner is still in the press box, he's only played one playoff game in his career after coming over, but it just seems like some of the other ads they've made have picked it up. You mentioned Pod Colzing. I mean, Corey Perry, man, like he's, he's butt chugging from the fountain of youth, but what he's able to do in the net front, he's such a gamer. It doesn't, he's not slow,

but his speed just doesn't really necessarily matter because he just knows what areas to go to and where to be effective. And he doesn't always even have to get to the wall. Like when the puck's coming around and like they're using the back of the net for like these cycles and stuff, he's so long that he's able to be off the wall when he gets the puck, right? So he's able to maintain even better body position.

And I mean, you play with him with, like he's not like the, he's obviously a scrawny guy. I would assume he's probably in the 195 to 200 pound range, but the way he's able to use his body, it almost feels like he's like 230, 235. Like he's very dense and so good on his edges and able to control what he's doing That's why when he's falling on the goalies, you're like worm. We know you got good edge work, buddy

We know we're going accidentally on purpose so the way that he's playing right now this guy could play till he's fucking 50 years old and I'm sure that Euler's team would Love that because I I think I was reading something online. I hope I don't butcher what it is it's like that expected goals for and Obviously what they're actually producing as far as the goal so far this playoffs They're outpacing any other playoffs by like 12% right now Based on the runs that they've gone in the last like four or five years with McDavid and dry side of being in their prime So like games like last night where you're maybe not seeing McDavid and dry Saito's best for the first 60 if you're fucking

Third and fourth lines are able to keep you in the game You know They're gonna end up making a play like that and or if they can even just win them the game where they can have an off-night Paul this is a dream case scenario and it always goes back to what we were talking about four or five years ago about oh you're chasing the game late in games or because you don't have that depth you're laying the ace of spades for 24 or 25 minutes a game. Well over the course of the first few rounds they're not going to have any gas left in the tank and right now they're not having to use those guys all the time when they need a big play because they can rely on these others so really really impressed by the Oilers

and how they've been able to go into that ring knowing in game two they were gonna get the kitchen sink thrown at them like that was the Vegas team I expect to see in games three in games four Petros first game back apparently he had the flu and that's why he was out game one like he was out with illness. So The last thing I'll say before I hand it over to the ends is like Aiden Hill just he hasn't made that that big stop the one that one The Connor Brown one. I feel like he probably should have had that no, is that not a goal that he should have had? Which one the breakaway one? The breakaway one? Game one? Wait up, maybe I'm thinking of the wrong one.

Game one he scored a breakaway five hole. I'm thinking of the wrong one last night, sorry. Maybe it was the Pod Kolzing one. Or no, maybe Nurse. Oh, he should have had the Nurse and Pod Kolzing. Nurse and Pod Kolzing he should have had. Yeah. I thought the Nurse one was probably the...

Well, Nurse was low blocker and at least he had a clear look. It was probably the Pod Kolzing one where it felt like he cut across and it almost like got him like jammed up in the glove area, right? So just a, not a good outing. And I don't know if they looked to their backup to mix things up. I mean, the Oilers have done it. Well, how about this stat? When they lost to them, to them two years ago, I

think McDavid and Dreissel had 11 goals in six games. The rest of the forwards had five. The rest of the forwards have five through two games this year. So, I mean that is and McDavid and Dreissel aren't like doing what we're accustomed to them doing yet. They both have three points in two games. So it's like, that's how good they are. But we're just so used to through two games, they both have, I don't know, four, maybe five. Like, that's how this team rolls. But when this team's rolling without them playing their best, that's when I'm starting to think, holy shit, like, what is going on here?

And everyone's like, oh, even if they win, they'll lose next round. Everyone said that last year, too. So, the Pickard story for me is, by far and away, the biggest storyline because you don't even look at save percentage and goals against. It's like, I think he said it after the first round. Can you make one more save than their guy? The Grant-Furline, I think Gretzky said it.

Like, you just gotta make one more than their guy. And he's doing it. He's continued to do it since he came in. It's amazing to see the adversity that he's fought through in his career and where he's at now. And apparently, like, you know, guys love him in the room. They're constantly like, you see McDavid sprint down to him when they beat LA that night. I think it was game four in overtime. Just things that this team is it's incredible to watch. It's a roller coaster of emotions. Nothing is ever easy. Six in a row comeback victories, I would say, like being down one nothing.

It's a comeback victory. But I mean, I think of like two nothing in game one and some of those L.A. games, it's a little bit different. But nonetheless, you're losing at two nothing in game one and some of those LA games that's a little bit different, but nonetheless, you're losing at one point in a playoff game. And for some reason, they just, they have weird starts. Like even game two, like I was like, what the hell? Like you had to know Vegas was coming,

but they gave up one. Kulak, just a tough play on, and I don't know if you guys could think of the goal that Olson scored because it happened like three or four times Kulak's laying down you you if you're laying down you got to make sure your skate is almost right against Pickard you cannot allow that pass through and then the second time the second power play it happened he did it perfect blocked it and then it got through again and Pickard made this incredible save on Olson. Are you talking about the play where Eichel literally shook his head saying no no no and then he found the lane? No that's when Kulak was covering the always dangerous left post on that one.

But it was like I think I don't know who had gone maybe Stone had gone behind the net it was the first one where he's laying down and there's still this much room and I mean obviously like Stone's gonna find him there. Eichel was incredible last night. I go at the end of the game, the first line got caught out there against the fourth line and I love playing the fourth line. They had been the best line. But the last minute and a half, I had him hemmed in the zone. And I think there was a huge save made maybe on Olufsen or Barbashev in the slot.

I could get the one timer off and I'm like, oh God. But I don't really know what else to say about this team besides it's shocking. It's amazing. I don't want to continue to go down in games, but maybe we do. Maybe it's like, all right, that's just fine. I don't know, Keith, what do you think so far? I think a big thing too, and we touched a little bit on it about goaltenders not playing through injuries and kind of, you know, if they get

bumped or hurt, they're kind of out, which, you know, goalies aren't used to getting hit, but Picard last night when he got, you know, landed on, I thought his knee was done, I thought he was going to have a tough time coming back, but he just gritted it out. You could see him kind of laboring a little, and you know what that brings to a team, like those guys on a bench, like, Hey, this fucking guy's going for us we got to go for him and he was outstanding i think too i mean obviously we're pumping edmonton's tires but last series the way that um kapri sov and boldy exposed the top lines there uh i was worried this at this series that you know mcdavid and drysaddle were going to

have 900 points they've done an unbelievable job shutting them down you know, McDavid and Drieshuttle were going to have 900 points. They've done an unbelievable job of shutting them down, you know, just kind of forcing them to areas in the neutral zone, not letting them get in, it's Sephiroth on the final goal. But I thought they've done a really good job. I think they deserve some credit with that with, you know, Stone and Houdin is impressed me so much. He's awesome. He's great.

So they've done a good job with that. And then, you know, last series, their third and fourth line did a good job against Minnesota's bottom line and then it's just flip-flopped this series. So well that was what that was what I was concerned about Jans is I felt like last series against Minnesota we always talk about Vegas four lines like I mean that most points was on their fourth line I think he got bumped up the third line when Carlson went up to that top line but I thought that they got chewed up a little bit by that Brazow, who's the 13, is it Trennan? Trennan.

Trennan and Rossi. And that's when Gary came on and says, oh, you know, we have more depth. And I'm like, I don't know, man, I felt like your depth got kind of exposed against Minnesota. And I was surprised a little bit. Let's see how they're able to fare against Edmonton. And once again, we're seeing it where that's when Vegas won its cup, man. They rolled out that third and fourth line

and they knew exactly what they were getting. They were getting the momentum back if they didn't have it or they were maintaining it. They were getting them that big goal and fucking running guys through the end wall. And I just, you know, I feel like they're lacking maybe that a little bit from what we saw during the cup run.

And I guess what expectations were coming into playoff. So if Edmonton's bottom six is continually like drawn them even or outplaying them a little bit, there's no way that this series is going longer than six games. This is going to be the Oilers series and very happy for Darnell Nurse. And we talk about sometimes going full Nurse.

You never want to go full Darnell. But I mean, from the start of that first round to how he's playing now is a world of difference. And I think that going back to last round, that goal he scored was definitely elevated his confidence because he's playing a lot better now in the last four or five games and he has in the start of that LA series and without at home that that is huge mind you I'm

sure the wet wet last thing we'll say before we bring in our guests you have to be so happy with Wallman and Klingberg. I was just gonna bring him up. Klingberg, man. Klingberg, I'm so happy for the guy. Yes, same. Like hip resurfacing surgery, like I know Patrick Kane went through it, but for a guy who constantly was swiveling those hips, Shakira style biz, that's how he played.

All he did was open up, walk the blue line, and you could tell, like the guy was injured in Toronto, he was in Anaheim, he's all over the map, and then he comes over and he didn't look great at the beginning, and it's just, it takes a long time. And there's a lot of times injuries, it never comes back. I know that from personal experience, but this guy is so good with his vision and with the puck

that now the skating's where it needs to be. It's never gonna be what it once was when he was 25, but it is still like incredible to watch this guy play and Jake Wallman is solid. Like that was the thing about Ekholm being out. Those two guys, like can they even pick up any sort of minutes that Ekholm would have carried this team with and they've looked phenomenal. This series is so far from over, but getting them done on the road has me like, I'm at a higher level than you, Biz.

You're going into sunrise. Yeah, your anticipation is if we get a split at home, we're in great shape. Like I said before when we're talking about the Leafs and Panthers before we bring on Kujo here, is these players are going into not only the most insane environment they've ever played a game in playoff wise

But these will be two of the hardest games they've ever played in their life hands down They are gonna get the kitchen sink thrown at them. They're gonna get whatever you name thrown at them including the rat kings Full so it's it's gonna be it's gonna be a crazy series and I don't really have much. I guess, great game too. Expect a lot more from you guys, heart of a champion. Wondering if we see a goal-tenning change, but right now I think all the focus is on that missed call and just the depth for the Oilers getting it done. No doubt, I love it.

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And with that, let's bring in an all time great, Curtis Joseph. Kujo, couple clicks, couple clicks. There he is. You look great. Hey boys. You guys are dialed in. We're dialed in.

I enjoy listening to you. Well thank you very much. It's a pleasure. Biz and I are very lucky. Our teams are doing great. Keith, on the other hand, is in a little bit of a panic mode, but you got the Leafs gear on there. I believe that's a Leaf shirt you're rocking.

Some incredible runs for you as a Maple Leafs goalie. Take me through what you remember and how you feel the city is right now. Because I said the other night on Twitter, it doesn't seem like the Yacht Club. It looks like it was when you played. The crowd seems insane, intense, and I'm sure you have some wonderful memories of those years. Well, my first memory of, uh, Leaf Nation was actually playing for St. Louis and we lost in game seven.

I think it was 93 and it was the first time the Leafs were great again. And literally we needed an escort to walk out of the gardens onto the bus. And then they started rocking our bus. It was a seat and they started rocking it. We're all standing up going, if this thing flips, these people are dead. It was insanity. I'm like, this is round, this is round two. I think it was.

I'm like, if they ever won the is round two. I think it was. I'm like, if they ever won the cup, it's going to be insane. But playing for the Leafs was, uh, we had a lot of playoff rounds and a lot of, a lot of good times and everybody's all in and being a, being a goalie for the Leafs, I remember driving in and you could cut the tension with a knife. And, uh, I always remember not to have negative thoughts. The only thing you would think was, Hey, don't let one in from center. You'll be front page of every paper. Good thing it didn't though.

That would, that would suck. That would be a lot of, a lot of pressure playing in that city. What was it like playing at that old garden? Oh, being a goalie in that rink was the hardest. I don't know if there's ever a rink that had the dimensions like that. It was like a, uh, like an indoor, it was like being an indoor soccer goal. You know, with the nets behind the boards, because every time you dumped it in, the boards were like, they weren't, they were rounded.

So somebody dump it in and here come Wendell and Andrew Chuck flying in. It was a rebound in the slot off the board. So everything was in play. Everything was in front of you and it made it extremely difficult. Did you, did you play there? You, you didn't play there as a Leafs goalie though, only when you were playing for away teams, correct? Or, or when you first, I was fortunate.

My first year was a, as a Leaf goalie in the garden. It was great. I actually signed my contract in the summer on the top of the net while I'm looking outside and watching people walk by like 15 feet from the goal line. That's awesome. So you got to see the sendoff in the last year of the building. I'm sure the last game there must've been gnarly. Were you, were you able to get like some form of memorabilia?

Were you able to take a chair? Let's not talk about the last game. We lost. I didn't play very good, but, but there's a mass right here. I don't know if you can see it. Best mass. You can see the leaf. You're all on second.

Oh, here we go. We're getting the people are probably going nuts in the chat. Yeah, this is one of one right here. So this is I knew it was a memorabilia fiasco the last game. So I had a mass made up with the gardens on the top and more of that in the game. That is so sick. I tech.

I tech old school. That's one of one. This is a great mass. No, no puck marks on it. One game. What's that? I got one for you.'s one to one. This is a great mass. No, no puck marks on it. One game. What's that? What's that top left one? The reddish one.

Oh, sir. Kedwick. Oh, left. Well, maybe you're that Detroit. Uh, no. So that's team Canada, right? And that's, uh, that one's actually Calgary flames. See the flame on the side.

Okay. Yep. I got it. on the side. Okay. Yep. I got it. I got it. Yeah. But, uh, yeah, they're great beat up. Actually, here's, this is a Detroit one. Talk about getting hit.

Here's the Detroit one. Look at the, there's a skate like skate right there. Oh, wow. I could see it. And then of course the, uh, I don't know when this happened, but the, uh, shit, the, uh, those cat eyes look bigger than normal too. Where those are too, uh, too stable on that thing. Legal cat eyes.

Uh, oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember one night I got hit in the face in the cat eye and, uh, I could tell the bar was distorted. And it was, I think it was in Edmonton and it was a TV time out and I asked one of the linesmen, I said, Hey, will you grab the puck and see if it fits through? He came over and he, he goes, Oh yeah, it does.

But just barely there's a minute left in the period. You think you can manage? And I was like, all right, let's do it So then he changed the cage at the intermission But I played a minute. I was like, ooh, if I take this in the in the eyeball, it's not gonna feel good I'm like this. Yeah, right Kujo I got one for you for this series Obviously Stoller's was the guy coming in and Walls been unreal. Like any chance, even if they win tonight or, you know, even if they lose tonight,

would you go back to Stolarz if he's ready to go? I would, I would. He's your guy and, uh, Wall's done an admiral job, uh, being in a tough situation clearly. Uh, but he's done it three years in a row, I think. being in a tough situation clearly, but he's done it three years in a row, I think. Um, but Stolars he, he's played great. So it's his job to lose. Um, but plus he handles the puck really well. And that's an intangible that, um, you know, you see as a, as a defense

when he adds and, uh, myself as a goalie, this guy dumps it in. I mean, you're trying to get pressure, uh, on the team and he just makes a great play and you're out of the zone. So that intangible Bennington's really good at that also keeps your D safe. You're not taking the big hits. You want all your defensemen out there. So the way he handles the puck, I'd put him back in. He doesn't have to flip the stick over. Like you used to have to and fucking shovel.

You were nice with it though. I know. Hey, I was terrible at it But I had my older boy Taylor before I came on because my sons are like pre-scout for this for this big Chicklets episode and I said hey Taylor Find out how many points biz has I? Know one more I know sorry this This is a leaf on leafs crime. How many more

bringing up biz? But I think I have more career points. How many did you finish with? 31. You fuck. Oh, so he only had you by seven. I got you in goals though, bitch. Not to pile on biz, not to pile on, but I think I have in a season too. I have more. No, no, no, but I want to pile on. I don't want to pile on it. You're saying you have one. We hate that. You have more. Oh, you, you, you have like a higher career, uh, like a one season number. Okay. What'd you have? Like a seven, eight points. Oh my God, a nine pointer? Who are you fucking passing it to? Caberley? Brett Hall was scoring on every shot.

So. Okay, that's it. That's it right there. Jeff Brown to Brett Hall. Did you have any questions? But I used to stick with the wrong curve too. I shoot right, I used to stick with the wrong curve. I might have been shooting the wrong way

my whole career too, I still don't even know. I golf right, I shoot left, fuck me. I was, those are the types of questions I had halfway through, like, how can these guys stick handle so smoothly? Maybe I got the wrong thing going here. But kind of going back to Yans' question about going back to Stolar's,

like how much do you communicate with the active goaltenders and, and, and maybe get to borrow them and get to know them at all. And, or do they like reach out to you forever? Like maybe some advice, like do you talk to the goalie coach? Like, well, this year, this year is a year that you don't talk to them. They were so good. Um, if there's ever a problem, I'm always there, uh, to, to talk like Jack Campbell. Um, you know, it was really fun for me to, to work with him and, and, uh, given some, some thoughts on how to prepare for playoffs and, um, just take the pressure off, like your mind is a powerful thing and you can talk yourself into playing. Well, that's what I tell them. I said, you can talk yourself into playing great at any moment. You

just got to have the right mindset. So I give him a lot of pointers and he played great. So that's fun for me. But this year I wasn't touching the, I wasn't going near those guys. They played so good. Kujo, I got a question about the Stollart's injury. What did you think about Bennett? Because it's Bennett, I understand everyone's like, this is ridiculous, suspend him, elbow to the head. Personally, I thought, I know it's him, but it was almost incidental and for sure a penalty, but not a suspension.

But how much do you take into account the shot he had taken, the rocket? I don't know, was it Reinhardt? I forget who it was before that. you take it to account the shot he had taken the rocket? I don't know. Was it Reinhardt? I forget who it was before that. Like, cause it looks so innocent or in your history, is it something a soft bump like that could really give you a concussion and you know, you hear he leaves on the stretcher, he doesn't travel to Florida. So obviously there's something serious going on.

Right. Um, I've never had a concussion fortunately. Uh, but, uh, when Wendell hit me with a slap shot in the face and I had turned my face, uh, that left, that left a mark and it left, uh, uh, a resounding. Ringing. So I would say you're right. I think maybe the shot before was more than the bump. The bump didn't seem like a lot, but, um, you know, maybe it's more of a neck thing.

Sometimes concussions are really stemmed from the neck. So it may be part of his neck. It got in a certain way. And you know what Sam Bennett, he, uh, he plays that way and, and I, it did look incidental, I know he's got, you know, he plays hard, but, uh, I remember him playing with my son at six years old, him and, uh, Connor on the same team, the York Simcoe express, and that kid was serious at six. I didn't, I never saw him smile as a kid.

I mean, that's what it takes to make an NHL guy. He's I'm a big fan of that, that, uh, the way he plays obviously, and the way he played for Canada, so, um, he's going to be in your face all night long. And you know, when you're a goalie and you're in the moment and the other team is bumping you, I always took it as a compliment. I'm like, Oh, I must be playing good. They're, you know, they're trying to try to get to me. Oh yeah.

Florida is just full of compliments. Aren't they? Right. So as a goalie, you have to, you have to reverse that and you, you take it as a compliment and go, Hey, I'm playing great. You know, they got to bump me. So, um, you know, I always took it as a compliment. Um, even going to like other, other goalies, like last night you see, um,

you know, picker get land on and, you know, you just see him fight through that injury and I just think like it shows the team so much more. And like you said, like you're an old school guy in there playing. Like, I feel like sometimes some goalies get hit and they're done and they're out. And it kind of just, you know, it, it drops the momentum of your team a little bit. But last night for Edmonton, it was like, Hey, he's staying in for us. Uh, let's do this for him. Like the goalie, do you think goalies nowadays realize how much it means to them?

If the guys are playing through injuries and playing their hardest for, you know, cause everyone else is playing her too, right? It's a great question. Um, thank you. You're in a, you're in a leadership position, whether you want to, or not, whether you're a leader or not, that being a goalie, a number one goalie in the league, playing in the playoffs, you're in a, such a leadership position. You need to show the rest of the team, you know, over the years, you know, I'd

hear comments, which helped me grow as a player and, uh, guys would come to you and say, Hey, how are you so calm? How are you so common? And the right, right away that's feedback for me. Oh, I gotta be calm. You know, they see that. So, you know, maybe Pickard hasn't been a number one, but he's in a leadership position and if he battles through adversity, I mean, guys see that. So I used to take that, uh, even when I was struggling, I would, uh, embellish a

save that was from the blue line or through a screen and you could see, uh, the team on the bench, you know, get up on the bench and slap the boards and, you know, it would give your team confidence. Meanwhile, I was embellishing a save, uh, for the team. Um, so you're in a, you're in a leadership position. So I see that too. And he is battling through it. And that has been a trend lately in the last few years.

Goalies aren't finishing series, uh, more than back in the day when you had Mike Richter and Marty Berder, Patrick was so, um, kudos for him for sure. I like, you touched on, you touched on leadership and, you know, just looking at the Leafs team, like what chief has brought to the, to these guys, it just seems like there's, I mean, you see it in the first series he He's hitting, he's sitting, he's hitting Savard to calm down. Like he just looks like a guy that you just want to go to war for. Do you notice that too? Uh, no question.

I'm a big fan of a Barube. He's, uh, he's a man, a few words it looks like, but when he, he, he gets that look or just like the, he answered the question about, um, uh, Nylander, you know, what do you do to get the most out of him? He's like, Hey, I leave him alone, you know, and I love it. It's, it's truthful. It's to the point, uh, there's no messing around. So, um, I think one of the biggest, uh, like Chris Tanev's play, he is a stud defenseman to me, Uh, he plays hard.

He's, uh, I think this is a coming out for his career playing for the Leafs, getting all eyes on him. You know, if team Canada for the Olympics, they should look at him for next year, especially if you play on NHL sized ice. I mean, this guy's got to be a no brainer. I think that's a stud defenseman that the Leafs needed and they got, and he's playing like one. So, you know, you know, uh, Ekman Larson also is playing great.

I mean, all those guys are playing great, but I think Tanaf has been the big difference maker back there. Kujo. So you, you kind of alluded to it. So you'd kind of give a little extra windmill to get the boys on the bench going. Eh? Oh yeah. Yeah. You got to do that. That's a, it's part of being in the position.

Um, why not? You know, uh, I remember going the other way. I remember a slap shot from center, uh, when I was playing for Edmonton and I bumbled it, there might've been two in a row or something. And Glenn Sather came right to my stall. He goes, Hey, you need glasses. You need to get some glasses. We're going to get you in the. I'm like, I'm fine No, I can see just trying to sell it bud. Just trying to get the boys going You fucking do a better job that on the bench, but Yeah, exactly. So that's yes. I would give it a little extra windmill and guys respond. They love it

They don't know, you know if it wasn't Some guys may know but I wouldn't bell shit every once in a while I love it. Um, I was going to go back to the thing you were talking about with Jack Campbell. And like you say that you can talk yourself into playing good, like just it goes for any of these goalies in playoffs right now. What's the mental preparation like for a goaltender, like leading into a playoff game specifically? I mean, I know regular season, it's also hard, but when you're the starter dialing it in,

like where does your mind go for the, let's say three hours before the game? Like what are you going over in your head to not only stay calm and positive, but to like make sure you're ready to go for when the puck drops. I could see what his weaknesses were and what his strengths were. So my goal was just to take the pressure off, you know, and play every game. The first thing I said to Jack is you play every game. Just make sure you're ready to go. You're not missing a game. You're not missing a minute. When you play for the Leafs, it's a historic franchise. You have a chance.

Doesn't matter. Nobody remembers the terrible game I played in Ottawa, game two. I'm an ambassador now. I go and they go, hey, game seven. Doesn't matter. Nobody remembers the, the terrible game I played in Ottawa game two. I'm an ambassador. Now I go and they go, Hey, game seven. You were great. So I said, Jack, you can leave, you know, the loss at home. You have a chance with the Leafs to have a 45 save shadow performance every single night and you'll go down in history in Leaf fans mind.

Um, so they only remember those games when I do my ambassador duties, they remember the good times and they remember the memorable and you have a chance to do that with the Leafs because it's such a historic franchises and the eyes are on you every night. So that's how you, that's how you got to look at it, take the pressure off. So do the work, put in the pressure. It's like studying for a test. And, uh, when you go to the game, you go, Hey, I studied as hard as I could.

I'm, I'm ready to go. That's interesting. So you think because of your, a Toronto Maple Leaf, you had to bring your mind there as opposed to maybe just worrying about what your duties were and your angles were where you were inside your own head before a game is basically like, you have an opportunity today to be a legend in Leafs land. Like you had to keep those thoughts going. Like opportunity today to be a legend in Leafslam. Like you had to keep those thoughts going.

Like that's what playing for Toronto Maple Leafs is like. Oh yeah. And they're always positive. You can't let any negative thoughts creep in. That's how you have to handle the media. That was a big thing with Jack too, handling the media. I go, listen, don't ever talk about one of their players. They'll give you a hypothetical questions.

You know, what do you think about Kachuk? You know, he's really good player. Yeah, he's, he's good. He's a good guy. He's a good player and you don't go into, they try and get you on a tangent talking about their players, how good they are and never take blame. Never take blame for a loss. Literally because it'll be forgotten.

If you keep bringing attention to how you play it in the game, game The fact they'll keep bringing it up. So you never do that So there's a few things that you need to know with the media and how to handle yourself and to stay positive and in the moment It's like hitting a golf shot where you got to forget about it right away And then it's the next one you you envision, you know a high draw or whatever. You have to keep that mindset. I mean, looking at these numbers quickly before I ask you my last question. The four years in the playoffs, 98 to 99 to 2001, 2002 in Toronto. A 907-243 goals against save percentage. 932 save percentage, 2.06. 927, 2.1, and 914, and 2.3. So, I mean, that, the game has changed, but those numbers are so wild that it makes sense the way you approach it mentally how the bigger the game, it almost got a little easier for you. I guess I'm just pumping your tires. My question is,

what do you see the rest of this series? What do you see happen in Florida? Like, do you have any opinions on how this goes? Well, business, right? I was listening to you guys before I came on and it's going to get harder. It's going to get harder and you have to know that in your mind, you're like, it's going to be really hard and I'm going to get bumped, but I'm up for it. I love that. Um, you know, so that's how you approach it.

That's how you talk to yourself and it's going to be harder. You're going to try and put this team out. It's going to be extremely difficult and every player should have the mindset. Yeah, I'm looking forward to that. I'm actually looking forward to playing against the best because it's the greatest risk reward. You play against the best and you win. There's no better feeling. I don't get that anymore. We don't get that anymore as athletes. So we have to look for other things, but there's no better, like stopping a Mario Lemieux or a Wayne Gretzky. There's no, there's no better feeling. So, you know, that should be the mindset. It's going to get harder.

It's going to get tougher. And if it doesn't, ah, great. At least you're prepared for the worst. Right. Exactly. I love that. We're going to enjoy it. Um, with just right off those numbers now, if I'm not mistaken twice, you were runner up for the Vezna while you were a Toronto Maple Leaf, right? Uh, I guess, yeah, I think so. Two, who did you lose to in those two times? Uh, I remember all of, all of Colesig one year. Um, yeah, that was the chance for sure, but certainly Hasek had a run there.

You got Hasek Brodeur and walk that you had to try and get through. And, uh, Dom was running the table a little bit in those days. Your goalies were insane. Like if you go back and think, I know the goalies, everyone talks about the goalies now, but your, your era of goalies were so fucking good. Like it's insane. Yeah. They were gamers.

They were gamers. They were playoff guys, smart, competitive. I played with all those guys. I saw them firsthand. I saw what makes those guys tick. It was interesting. So yeah, that was, that was a fun era. So if you, plus if you beat one of those teams, I get, you know, you beat Colorado against Patrick while you feel pretty good. I mean, you know, the best of the best. Kujo do you follow hockey hockey illuminati on social media?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good guy. G just posted in our chat here that you were born in 1967. Correct. The last time the Toronto Maple Leafs won the Stanley cup. Was it before or after the cup?

Uh, that's a good question. April 29th. So I don't know when the playoffs finished back then probably had to be April Probably the exact same day. They won the Stanley Cup. He's gonna find out He's gonna find out. That's just the way that the Mojo is going for the Leafs right now But to bring a trip down memory lane for all the the Leafs fans in the chat What were those two runs like to the conference finals that you guys went and when did you feel like you guys had the team that could get over the hump and get it done but just fell short? Like which team did you feel could get it done? This is the one that got away.

These are painful memories, no question, but good memories. But I remember we had, we had Matt's and Darcy were hurt for a while and you had, uh, greenie and Alan McCauley and all these guys stepping up and playing lights out and we should have been Carolina. I remember we had a giveaway behind the net and, uh, forget who scored, but we should have been Carolina. You know, nothing against Arthur's survey, but that was our chance. You know, the one, the one that got away. Yeah, it would have been Detroit. Well, you still have to get through Detroit clearly, but it would have been the Detroit Toronto final.

How good would that have been? Oh, that would have been so good. So good. Yeah. Kujo, I don't know how much more time you got, but I just wanted to say something quick. I like when I, uh, growing up, I was a goalie and you were my favorite goalie till I was like 12, I played goalie and you were my first goalie in the NHL. And I just want to let you know how awesome it was to play with you and how good of a guy you were and so good to me. I remember you bought me a PSP so we could play a call of duty on the plane, guys were playing, it was like a.

And yeah, so I just wanted to let you know, and I don't know if I've ever told you that story, but just what you've meant to me in my career. And I was young, just starting in the league and you were so good to me. And I really appreciated it. Thank you so much. You knew, and you know what, you paid it back. I remember the young man, Joe, that had the, uh, the Navy seal who, um, who, uh, had the grenade go off in his hands. He's doing great.

I see him, uh, every once in a while when I'm in Virginia, but you know, his commander is a good friend of mine. And he said, Hey, Curtis, can you do this? Spitting chiclets is his favorite. And, and Whit made a shout out and biz you, you FaceTimed him in the hospital and Yans you Face FaceTime them after that. And he said, Hey, Florida's my favorite team and Keith Yann is my favorite player. I'm like, Oh, perfect.

I'm glad you didn't say Mary Ellen Mew that had been tough. So you guys stepped up to the, we saw them at the winter classic. Yeah. We were hanging out with them. They were having a good time. They were having a blast. Oh yeah. Honestly, you made his, you made his life a tough situation for him to have to

give up the dream job of his, but you've guys, you paid it back. Yance. Thank you so much. And, uh, this is a shout out to Joe. Well, you had to made 84 million. He could send you the 300 for the PSP now and then we're completely even. Yeah. Yeah.

So funny. That's great. Those were good times. Not our life. Any final words on the Toronto Maple Leafs where they lie right now? Like how proud of you are the, the core four? I mean, we call it the core five now with knives. Like what has impressed you the most and what makes you belief that

Toronto can go on a run and get this thing done? Well, definitely their D is big and strong. I mean, we don't see them get manhandled in their own end. That's huge as a goalie. I see that the most. Goaltending is great. Nylander, man, this guy, how does he beat goalies? He must have great deception on his shot. He just holds it out there, the patient, but his shot, he's

beating goalies clean with no screen. It's, it's impressive. So, uh, I enjoy watching all of it. The talent level it's great. I'm on the edge of my seat. So I like the position you got to be up to. It's great, but the best is yet to come and the hardest work is yet to come so we're all going to be watching intently.

I think as far as the shot from Nylander and even Matthews is just the deception on the release. I feel like they hold it that extra split second and then they do something with their wrists where it changes the angle where I mean you saw the one the other night he beat Bob clean on and yeah it's just it's unreal what they're doing with their twigs now. Yeah I love when Matthew scores along the ice that's my favorite because you don't expect it as a goalie you're trying to stay up you know he's going shelf if he gets in

and he goes right along the ice hard when he beats a goalie before he can get down that's impressive. Awesome. Wait, do you have a few, uh, we got a few chat questions. Oh, you were an e-book. So funny, funny story. I'm doing a, uh, a commercial for OLG and I'm bringing my equipment in, uh, because they're going to take it to the shoot the next day, the leafs are. And literally the house cameras must have caught me and then it got leaked to the media. And I'm doing my ambassador duties and I'm coming in with my stick and my equipment for a OLG commercial the next day.

And somehow I start getting, I'm literally going into different boxes, talking to people and I'm getting texts from media guys, Curtis, you the OLG or you're the, uh, e-bug tonight, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, yup. I'm busy. I'm go, yeah, yeah, of course. You know, just kidding around. Um, but they're taking, why would a 56 year old guy at the time bring his

equipment and hoping both goalies go down so I can get in there makes zero sense to me, but it is, it is funny. And then I get on the plane like two days later and there's a bunch of Canadians on the, on the Air Canada flight and the young guys, they're like, Hey, you're trending, you're trending. I go, Hey, thanks. Thanks. Hey, the other team probably wouldn't be bumping into you.

So, Hey, I don't bring my equipment to the, to the rake every time there, but I do see Reed Mitchell and I always say, Hey Reed, I'm the e-bug tonight. Put that goalie away. I'm, I'm ready to go. I'm in the building. Let's go. Kujo, a guy in our team, the Chicklets team, Merle's the biggest mush of all time. He can't get a win for any team he roots for right now.

He's wondering the Vegas goaltending situation. He's begging for Schmid to be put in there. Schmid, however you say his name. I don't really care right now. He wants Aiden Hill out. Don't give him an answer, Kujo. He's been busy trying to reverse mush the Leafs for the last fucking what? Two, two, three games here. right? I honestly can tell you I haven't watched too much of Vegas gold tending but Yeah, I don't know anything about him to be honest with you

So I like you know help murals, right? I honestly I can't give you my extra opinion. I have to scout them. Worry about your own team, Merlz. Right. I got one team to worry about. Oh, God. You were an oiler. You were a great oiler. Jesus.

Yeah. Hop on over. You need a Western Conference team. Biz has seven teams. Well, you know, Edmonton, Toronto would be a great final. I'd be in heaven. It'd be amazing. I'm not sure Batman would like it, but, uh, you know, we'd love it.

And you know, Connor McDavid played, um, you know, with my son, growing up in York Simcoe, great, great young man, obviously. And, uh, actually I put the full gear on every year, once a year in, in, in the bar and I had a rink in my riding arena. So I'd go in there and, you know, he didn't have the reach back then when he was six, seven. So I, you know, I handle them pretty good. I was playing for the Leafs at the time. So, you know, all right, well, thank you so much. Incredible career. We appreciate you coming on.

Leafs fans love it. And you were a fan favorite your entire career in the NHL. So we appreciate it. And you look great. Like I said, you kind of look like Darcy Tucker. I don't know if anyone's ever said that. He looks like the soccer coach, that clout. You got the salt and pepper dude. It's nice. I'll give you credit. You know who I'm talking about with a Jurgen Colt. Yeah. Doesn't he look like a cloper a little bit? Yeah, he does. I don't even know where that one of the best soccer coaches in the world. Last one for me, so the one, the mask directly behind your head,

that was your St. Louis Blues one, and that's probably your most famous helmet, no? Yeah, the one right there in the middle. Yeah, that's, actually I give it to Kelly Chase to put in their arena, and Chase here about six months ago scooch they lost the they renovated and they lost it I'm like chaser are you kidding me with those those blue pads those old blue pads which I have and he anyway I went

there for the Hall of Fame this year which they treated us my whole family amazingly I can't say enough about the blues organization was incredible. Anyway, they, they present me with the mask. I'm like, Oh, you got me. So I'm so happy to get it back. I probably have 300 games in that thing. And then these pads too, they said they lost, but look at these bad boys. Oh my goodness. Heaton. Oh yeah. Do they even make those anymore? So this is illegal. See this toe thing that went across. They made that illegal. No, they don't make it cheater. And actually Brian

Heaton is the one of my favorite people. He died young. Unfortunately, God bless him. But that's his last name. And then he came, he sold it for millions of dollars. And then he came out with Brian's, I guess he had a non-compete smart guy, but uh, yeah, those Heaton's were were I love those pads So I still have them. So I think it's the only set Cujo, I'm just gonna say is there any way we can see the the st Louis mask like can you pull it up to the screen? I just want to get a good look at a bit because it's we have some probably some goalie gear and nuts that are in

The chat who is loving this. Oh, you say you played 300 games in that Probably 300 games. I love this. Well, that is so for sure. Cause actually you can still see some of it or the tape residue. So when I went to Edmonton, I taped blue tape around the outside and wore it in Edmonton also, but this, I love this mass was so simple, right? So simple.

It's iconic. Right. I think the mass nowadays have. So simple. It's iconic. Right. I think the mass nowadays have too much. I agree with you. I agree with you. Like you Marty, like it looks like my arm tattooed. It's got the fucking Jack. Yeah.

Yes. So I, I always, well, I grew up with the guys who kept it simple and you always knew them by their mass Tony Esposito, Ken Dryden, Cheevers. Like it was same mass every year. So I went with that too. I wanted to have the same mass, hopefully have a great career, have the same mass. So you get recognized by it, you know, it's like that commercial with Tony Esposito. He walks into the bar with a bunch of hockey players.

That's when you could do beer commercials and they're like, who's that guy? And he puts his mask on to they go, Tony, Tony Esposito. So I gotta redo that commercial, it'd be great. Good job. Thank you. I don't even wanna let him go, I just love asking him all these questions. Fuck, I had one more, it was on the tip of my tongue

before you said that, fuck. Well, I guess we more, it was on the tip of my tongue before you said that, fuck! Well, I guess we'll let you go. Kujo, most wins by a goaltender not in the hockey hall of fame, I really, really hope that changes. 454, just incredible career, and we thank you so much for coming on, man. It's been a great, great time chatting with you.

I remember my question, when did you get the nickname Kujo? Obviously it's cause. Yeah. Robert Dirk, you know, he just started calling me Kujo guys were saying Curtis Joseph or whatever, and he just shortened it right up. Dirkie. We had a tough team back then.

He was a tough dude, but he shortened it up for me. And, and I was like, yup, Stephen King novel. I'm, I'm making a mass. So I definitely went that route and. You know, playing in Toronto, I, at the time, uh, CSA, uh, Canada hockey let the kids wear a mask. So they had CSA approved mass. So I'd go to my kids at three boys in AAA and I go to their games and you'd

see Cujo mass at both ends. So it was the pinnacle of, uh, of, you know, mass designs because every kid was able to get one, but, uh, yeah, that's great. And you know what, being competitive and other, the wins list always, anytime I hear it, I go, Hey, we had ties, you know, I think I have a hundred ties. Right. You don't have ties now. Right? I'm sure Marty has 120 or 150 ties, but I think I got a hundred ties or somewhere around there. Oh, that sucks.

Oh my God. Yeah. Even half of those are dubs now. Right? Overtime shootout. I didn't even think of that. Get this guy in the hall of fame for a breakaways. But the guys before me only played 70 games or whatever. Maybe they pushed back your date

because you did that e-bug stint. So you got, you got to wait another three years. So in three years you're going to get it. I think I text a Brennan Shanahan too. I said, you can't afford me Shanny for one game. I would negotiate to that e-bug if I had to go in for sure. It can't afford me. That's unbelievable.. I would negotiate to that e-bug if I had to go in for sure. It can't afford me. That's unbelievable. Well, buddy, we can't thank you enough for hopping on and go leaf skull. Be nice to go on a crazy run here, but Hey, one day at a time, stay in the moment. Right. Best is yet to come. Can't wait to see it. And Chris Tana for a playoff MVP right now. Let's go.

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So in here. I wanna go to ask the Yans quickly. So what kind of goalie gear did you have when you were playing net? I had Hartford Whalers color. My team was red and white and I had Hartford Whaler's color. My team was red and white, and I had Hartford Whaler's colors, green and blue, because it was given to my dad.

My dad wasn't gonna buy me anything, you know? So it was given to him from someone else, and I loved it though, loved it. But I wore a regular helmet with like a chin thing, old school. Like haschick? Yeah. You look like haschick out there. What made you finally switch out? Just like your... Hashek out there. What made you finally switch out?

Just kind of like you're. It was so expensive. Thank God though, I would have been a horrible goalie. I don't know, you got that quick twitch. You might ended up making it as a goalie too. And you're really weird. Oh yeah. You would have been an unreal starter.

I'm more interested though, Fizz, quickly. Yep. Keith, what's up with your squad? Like, what's going on here? Because, I mean, I didn't see them playing like that. The Leafs have been phenomenal and they had the comeback in game one and maybe looked a little better game two. But are you no panic, no worry, cause you're heading home? Yeah, I'm no panic now. Uh, first game, you know, it was just one of those games. Bob didn't have his best.

Uh, not at all. He, yeah. I mean, call spade to spade. He was just not great. And, um, I thought they were going to have a bounce back game play. Well, they did, they started out well, they played hard. They just couldn't, you know, keep a lead. They'd score a big goal and then, you know, Leafs would come down and score.

So it was kind of just like a momentum thing going. I kind of think they got away from the way that they've been playing, probably because of people like biz, like trying to, you know, give out guys rooms numbers when they're just trying to play hard. And so like Benny, I don't think he was at his best. It might've been a little like, uh, worried, you know, maybe all eyes were on him. So his fucking elbows are sore. Give him a break.

Yeah. Uh, so yeah, I mean, I just think, I just think we haven't seen the best of them. I think their third line Marchie Luster, Ryan and, and Lundell have been amazing. They've, they've carried the team so far, so they need to keep going. And then the big boys will step in Matthew, uh, Matthew Barkey, Bennett, Rhino, I think it's their time to show up tonight. Huge game tonight at home, Friday night and sunrise. Where else would you rather be Biz?

Um, and yeah, I think it's just one of those things they need to get a dirty, greasy Florida Panther win and the way that they've been doing it for the last three years, just finding ways. And, um, but you gotta, yeah, I think you just gotta give credit to Toronto. They're not playing the way that they're known to play. They're not playing soft. They're, they're hard on battles. Like Kujo was saying, they're dear and strong Tana blocking shots like he's Kujo out there

Ekman Larsen playing great getting up in the play Morgan Riley scoring a huge goal the other night so I think a lot of credit you got to give to Toronto they've been playing amazing you know Scott Lawton's been great Nise has been amazing like just think think of the, the first game. The, they come back, which I thought was great for a momentum for them. Even going into game two, I didn't think they were going to win that. And then, you know, complete brain fart. They got four guys on the ice.

Nice get a breakaway with three minutes left. It's like crazy. Yeah. They're kind of shooting themselves in the foot, all the goals, like even very uncharacteristic of them. Like Matthew the other night had a, you you know backhand pass up the middle they go down and score like but I wouldn't even blame that on on Matthew it's the 2d are pinching in the in the neutral zone 2d get caught up sends them in on a 2 on 1

on Bennett like there's nothing so I think just the brain farts that they're having right now are not your characteristics of what they've been doing. Like they played the most simple, you know what you're getting every single night game the last two or three years and think they've gotten away from it a little bit. I don't know if the pressure of being in Toronto, a lot of guys from the area, you know, maybe having to get tickets, all that shit. So I think coming home tonight, you know, you get to sleep in your own bed, you get a

lot of vitamin D the last couple of days. So I think tonight you're going to see a different team. Maurice will have them back to their structure of just playing hard, simple hockey, you know, score one or two on the power play and shut them down. And, and, and Bob's going to be kicking cause he's one of those guys that take so much pride in his game and what he can bring to the team. And I think he, uh, I think he'll be, he'll be solid tonight. and what he can bring to the team. And I think he, uh, I think he'll be, he'll be solid tonight.

Biz? Want me to hop in there, Woody? Biz, he said one thing that sticks out that I can admit there, there is something different going on. I've been saying it all year. It's yeah, you have been. It's to me, it's all about the Vegas style defensemen from when they won the cup and they still have them just monsters

And yeah, and you don't really if you have a couple puck movers You're not worried about some of these guys putting it off the glass and out when in front of their net is constantly cleared Giving walls stole arts all these guys like vision to see the puck for me. It's that it starts all at the D Yeah, that's what the exesia said. He was on game notes too, and he was raving about them. And we knew how big that Carlo pickup was when it came over the wire in the last few minutes of the trade deadline. And I mean, Tanev, I mean, it speaks for itself. We knew exactly what they were getting.

Look what he went over and did in Dallas after he was moved there and how quickly and seamlessly he was able to fit in. He is like a Jacob Slaven. He is a top tier defender. His reads when he goes back, he always makes the right play with the puck. But ultimately the biggest thing, especially going against the Panthers, they're not intimidated. Their defensemen are not intimidated. They'll look, they'll stare those guys right in the eye and say, fuck you if you want to try to come to the Booth paint we're gonna try to cave your fucking face in mind you credit, Florida man Because Florida did have a game plan coming into the series and it was to get to the goalies as it probably normally is Like you're trying to create as much traffic as possible

But even the Bennett incident aside There's been a play when Rodriguez came crashing in, bumped the wall when he came in a relief in game one, and then last game where Ekblad, who by the way- They should have gave Wall an embellishment call like they gave Rodriguez. So, okay, so we can hop into that. Crazy.

Right after, if you people didn't see the Ekblad elbow on Wall in game two, just go online and see that clip I sent it to the group chat. I won't ask Gans right now with because he's so biased He's got his head so far up his ass What did you view of the the infamous ekblad elbow that Hagel had to chew on in the first series? What did you view of the one that he gave wall? Would you say there was intent there at all? Because of him coming off a suspension for an elbow, I don't know, like a blatant elbow.

It definitely didn't look good. It definitely didn't look good. I just find it hard to believe. I find it hard to believe that Echblad is elbowing a goalie in the head on purpose after what he just did and had to sit out a game for. Do you see where I'm coming from? Yeah, sorry, I'm just in a little bit of shock here. Grinnell, can we maybe...

Get your head out of Stolarz's ass and realize it's a hockey player. I don't... Like Kujo said, it's a compliment if guys are going to the net playing hard. It's a compliment. Yeah, I understand a little bit. Let me watch it again. I understand a little bit of contact, but it was basically like Nicholas Wa

on Trent Frederick's upper grill. Can we get, I just, G. Okay, now we're talking crazy. G, if you could just kind of read the reviews in the chat and maybe when we're done this conversation, come back and and bring These guys back down to planet earth about some reviews that aren't from the greater, Toronto area to G Will you now is is are we able to show the video of it or is that right here? No, it's x-rated. Oh Man, it doesn't look great. Well, he's trying to catch the puck. He's trying to catch the puck within his elbow.

Ah. If the puck wasn't in the air, Biz, no doubt. But he is just grabbing it and coming down. Maybe the fall through is a little off the surface. Oh, he's trying to catch it with his elbow, did he? Okay, interesting. But Biz, he's good friends with him. He likes him.

Oh yeah, yeah. So we don't need to go down that route. Now, people were very upset about the Rodriguez one, and I wrote right on Twitter right away, I don't want this power play. I don't wanna win games like that. I don't wanna spend my time and energy after games being like, oh, we shouldn't have won that

because we got hand delivered a power play like the Edmonton Oilers, right? We don't want to be those. It was four on four, wasn't it? What's that? Wasn't it four on four or no? No, Leafs ended up getting the power play out of that whole scrum.

Now, I think that most people in the chat who watch, Rodriguez goes down, throws his stick. I thought it was Nick fucking Cousins out there for them. No, you didn't think that was embellishment.. I listen. I don't think he should have been called for embellishment. I think he tried to sell the hit and then he fucking down. He's injured down the tunnel and then he's back for the next shift. If you don't think that he tried to sell the hit to draw a penalty, I don't agree with you there, but I don't think he should have gotten a bell belleson penalty. And I also think if you watch it in real time, lot and like slows up and he's

barely skating and he like taps him on the back and that just explodes himself into the wall. So once again, I don't want the power play, but I'm glad the refs aren't feeding into that nonsense because it's like if one team can't dive, it's the Florida Panthers. If you're, if your M O is that you're the big bad Florida Panthers, you can't be throwing yourself into the wall like a fucking broad. Who's showing up here? So I asked if it's clean or dirty,

and I did a YouTube poll, and after over 300 votes, 62% said it was dirty, 38% said it was clean. I mean, that's even light. They're coining it as the Echblad elbow, and he's actually dethroned Trula. So now it's Echblad's on the wanted poster now. Do you have any more Leaks fans are watching this right now

than Cat fans? The tickets are 66 bucks tonight to get in the barn. I mean, I don't know, man. Yeah, and Armin is texting me for tickets. Like, yeah, I gotta just spend fucking 180 bucks. But going back to the Leafs play in general, so happy with the response shifts. Like normally in the past,

you talk about this team looking different, they would have got scored on, they would have went into a shell, they would have been like, oh, take the puck and not make plays, and curled up into a ball essentially but especially against a team like Florida to twice have those response where they go back down and score right away and for one of them to be Mitch Marner which listen like I'm obviously so thrilled that he got the game winner and you know just

had his newborn first game with his new kid he's got the M on the stick fucking right Smitji way to go I think that at up until that point five on five I still feel that he could bring a little bit more and that's that that's what I'm excited about I think Matthews has been great shutting down Barkov and getting that matchup at home that's no easy task people are like oh I wish he was scoreup at home, that's no easy task. People are like, oh, I wish he was scoring. He should be scoring. No, he's making personal sacrifice. So he's giving his team a chance to win.

But from an overall standpoint, if we can get a little bit more from Mitch and a little bit more from Auston Matthews with what Nyes and Nylander are doing right now, this team could fucking go on a run, boys. If you pay him more than Nylander, they're insane. Listen, we don't need to get into the weeds on that. No, let's do it. I've watched every fucking playoff game,

five on five, he doesn't dominate. There's no domination. And sometimes even when he's in his own end, if somebody's breathing down his neck, he's rarely getting the puck out himself. He'll kind of float back a little bit, like he'll backpedal and wait to get support from either a centerman or winger.

Yeah, and sometimes he makes the nice play where it's a soft play and his player's able to skate into it. But there's things about his game that I would like to see improve, especially now that he got the confidence of that game winning goal. I don't, obviously proud of him.

He made the play tonight, that was a nice, that was a beautiful pass. Beautiful pass. I agree, but we're also talking about a guy who's gonna make $14 million. So when you talk about that kind of money, you're hoping to see the sheer dominance that you see out of a Kaprizov in like a five on,

five of shift. I'm not talking about doing it every shift. You're playing against unbelievable teams who also are good at puck possession as well. But if you watched a period of Minnesota Wild Playoff Hockey for two shifts, five on five every period, you're like, oh my God, Kaprizov just ran the show that whole shift. That's a 14 million dollar guy and that's

kind of the point I'm making where is like I love Marner's ability to penalty kill I don't think he's a liability five on five he obviously helps the power play but he's also not a major shot shot threat on the power play he's a pass-first mentality so there's a lot of things if he wants to get to that 14 million number with Toronto, I'm gonna have to see progress here over this run, but that goal could be the catalyst to seeing it. So I digress.

Going back to Woll, you mentioned it earlier, Yanz. You said, like, I was pumped to see Florida in that game one after they had such a shitty start to see them turn it up on the Leafs in the second half of the game. Essentially the last two periods. As a Leafs fan and somebody who's concerned for them after that, I was actually happy that they got that lesson

in that moment. They had that lead, they didn't blow it, they still get the W, but they got to understand if there's any amount of fuckery for stretches of time against the Florida Panthers, they're gonna bend you over. They're gonna go straight, you know, you ever seen the movie Seven? When they walk in and that guy's got that fucking huge thing

and it's like, oh my God. Like that's what they're gonna fucking shove up their hoop. That's what they're gonna shove up their hoop. So eyes on the prize. We know what's coming game three. They're gonna fucking be the biggest savages you've ever seen in your life. Keep your cool, keep your head.

Leafs aren't complaining about all this shit going on with the goalies. They're not fucking even. Chief's got them locked in, dude. What? Chief's got them locked in. He's got them locked in. He's got them locked in.

They ain't complaining about any of the bullshit. The only thing is every goal that they scored last night. Yeah, I think every goal, it was a mistake by the Panthers and they're capitalizing, which is a good thing, right? You have to do that to win playoff games. But I think at some point in the series, it's gonna come back to Florida, just not making those. Like Forsling on the patch already goal didn't box out.

He's, I've never seen him miss a box out. He's, I've never seen him miss a box out. He's a guy that's doing it every shift, every game and just kind of gets puck watching patches, gets behind them, tip in and what a tip by the way. That was unbelievable. He has been the gift that keeps on giving for them between him and Max Domi. They're getting, they're getting that second wave of like like who's going to be the guys to step up I thought max domi's played awesome. I also believe that having a guy like max domi As good as marshawn's been Like that's a trade-off

We're talking about the big bad florida panthers you need guys who who could fucking go when it's go time And and max domi is one of those guys and patch already Transforming his game and coming through in the clutch with what he's done so far I mean it's kind of like a Corey Perry situation you think the guy is over and done with at a certain age and look what they're bringing to the lineup and I Got nothing but high praise for them, but know that this is far from over What do you got anything? No, you guys have pretty much said it all.

It's been a fun series to watch. We only got one game so far of Winnipeg, Dallas. We'll get into Rontan and this sicko. But compared to Carolina, Washington, which we'll probably talk about now, Oilers, Vegas, and Toronto, Florida have just been so much more, it's such more entertaining games.

Which I think everyone expected, the way Carolina plays, Washington too, like, but Florida Toronto tonight, I haven't been this fired up to watch a game since last night in Vegas. So I can't wait. I get to do it on TNT with Rick Tauket, who's gonna be on the panel.

So that's gonna be fun, we're bringing back our old buddy. See, if you were a real fan, you haven't done the last two games, you wouldn't even. See, if you were a real fan, you haven't done the last two games. You wouldn't even do this game. If you were a real fan of the Leafs, you would, you would sit in your hotel room and get your, fly your massage lady. No, it's all, it's all about where I start the game. I mean, we went over it, but you weren't here.

You, you missed the start time. We went over this whole thing about me not changing locations. So do you want me to go through it again? No, no, I'll go back and watch it. Just watch the pod when you sign off. Yeah. So last night, Washington ties it up. Like if we go back to game one,

they had no business being up one nothing. And I think Logan Thompson is an enormous story, right? Like they were getting dominated by Carolina on home ice, outshot over two to one, and somehow they're leading with nine minutes to go. And I think it was Protoss threw a brutal pass to the middle and maybe Chickren skates, Stankov and buries it, and then Slaven gets the winner on a seeing eye shot. But total deserved win for the Carolina Hurricanes in the first game.

And I kind of was watching like I thought that Washington would be able to bully them and out muscle them. And all of a sudden. Carolina's speed is they weren't able to handle it. And Carolina is skating. They they they shoot from everywhere. Sometimes we've talked about that when they do out shoot teams, it's not necessarily as accurate as sometimes with other teams because they'll shoot from anywhere. They're shooting from outside. They're just creating traffic. But they just look so much better, quicker and way different of a team than Montreal.

So I understand where Washington started off a little bit slow, couldn't catch the pace of that game. And I knew that they would come back bigger and better in Game 2. But it took them a little while even in game two. And then what happened? The inevitable Tom Wilson takeover. One of the best games played by any player in the playoffs, I tweeted out, I think he might be a top five player in the playoffs so far through whatever,

a round and a half, people were all over me. It's like, I don't know, man, he's changing games completely. Whether it's- Yeah, not just with points. With his play, with his intimidation, his physicality, like net front screens, he brings it all. And he's a fucking, he's like their emotional leader.

Like, Ovi can't do it all the time. Like, obviously, he's their captain whip, but he's like, that's the guy. As Army calls him, it's Tom Wilson's team now It is it is he ranked second on the capitals with seven points at seven playoff games He leads the team with 27 hits and these are not like When wit would get a hit in Madison Square Garden because they gave him out like candy when I made he's running people through the board I think he just missed Martin nook. did he kind of catch him like almost murdered

him? I mean, we saw what he did in the first round. You can't really handle somebody that big, that strong and that fast. And when he's playing defensively like he's I mean, how many times has this guy in the back check broken up a play, dive to save a shot against. Constantly after every whistle in guy's face. I believe it was in the third period. He's just given it to Jordan Stahl. Stahl was talking to him,

but you could tell he's in the opponent's heads. And it's not saying that Carolina's like weak mentally or anything like that, it's just the whole team is constantly aware where he is on the ice. And Ray Farrar on the broadcast is talking about when he gets looping and skating the whole bench is like heads up. You're constantly worried about this guy murdering someone on your team and add to the fact that he can score that pass to John Carlson. That is not that's not a pass that like a lot of players

in the league can make. Specifically players who can also run around and dominate physically. So the unicorn thing in today's NHL, it's just a fact. And when you look at how Washington's won games, it's on Tom Wilson's back. That and Logan Thompson. He has been so steady and he's sitting in net,

he looks so confident. What he's been through has been so impressive. He lost a job in Vegas. We've talked about that. But now you have a team that they're on the ropes. They lose game one at home. You're going back to Carolina, which they are the best home team. I think LA may be right there in the regular season, but I think Carolina was number one.

That building is hard to play in. It's chaotic. They're buzzing around. They lose game two I think they're done But Tom Wilson and Logan Thompson carries him through and John Carlson with that goal not a hard goal to get right empty net Because of the dish by Wilson, but man this team is it's scary. They're scaring me They're scaring me and I thought they might be in trouble after game one, but Keith. What do you got?

Okay, well game one just to touch on Thompson game one, but Keith, what do you got? Well, game one, uh, just to touch on Thompson game one, they had 14 shots on net Washington, the entire game. It went to overtime 14 shots. So he's getting peppered and he just looks like one of those guys. Like the more shots, the more comfortable he feels, but he's making the big saves to the game chain, like he made a couple last night where it's third period. You know, could tie the game and just to have a guy like that he in you know I think we've got a lot of like inside uh you know cameras in the locker room with Carberry

and you know he's always pumping his tires and stuff but he just seems like a guy like Kujo that's just calm and he sits there and you know the coach is pumping his tires he's like yeah thanks guys doing my job so, he's been amazing. I think besides Tom Wilson, he's probably been their best player. And, um, you know, just, just to have the, the focus that you have to have in that game one of, you know, where your team doesn't play great, you get 14 shots on that and to come back last night and, you know, the play the way that he did, he only would they gave up one, right?

So it's like, he's been amazing. And and you know, that team's really rallying around them and, uh, you know, I think if he gets hot, like he is and not letting in goals, like it's, they're going to be a problem to beat. Um, going back to game one, that winner, um, like I was tweeting online a little bit, so the winner was a point shot. I believe it was, was it Slaven who got the credit for the goal and You know a little bit of traffic in front Thompson probably should have had that one. Let's say But the thing that stuck out the most in the first two games with the amount of block shots for the Capitals

So in game one, they had 32 blocks and I believe in game two They had 33 compared to where in game one like Carolina had nine like obviously because from a puck possession standpoint we know what Carolina's MO is right let's just fire pucks fire pucks fire pucks what I think that they should try doing if they continue to have a hard time putting it in the back of the net is second sticks we talked about the mixer all the time and that's probably why that first one that I was talking about the slave and one went in because you got guys they're hard to track the puck you got bodies well I would say advantage to Washington as far as how big their DR

and how how well they're able to box out I think Carolina needs to try to shoot for the higher slot and try to get some of those high tips in to create a little bit of deception change the angle on Thompson now all all of a sudden, instead of the direct shots that are kind of weak and coming from outside the dots, at least it's like, you know, he has to play off of a rebound and a high tip play. I mean, you saw it with Cole Perfetti. Now that's a perfect example,

and that's also on the power play, but a little bit more of deception where there's plays like that shooting for second sticks I think will lead to more opportunities for them and get them scrambling a little bit more less predictable is I guess the message I'm trying to send to the Carolina Hurricanes because at the end of the series if you lose in six games and you're sitting there And you're like Rod the broader every year after the press conference being like, you know, we all played him We outshot them and just like it doesn't fucking matter you can't just keep all we outshot him it's not about out shooting teams it's about out

scoring teams so how are you gonna find a new way to get it to the back of the net when you run into these types of problems as they always seem to do now once again Credit Carolina they're gonna keep coming the way they come all time that's the way they play they're gonna keep coming the way they come all the time. That's the way they play. They're not changing it. The one thing that they did last game better, power play. I think it was the second unit who might have got the goal, but they got a score on their power play opportunities. Their power play, other than the goal they got on the one,

has been absolutely dog shit in this series. So capitalizing on those will make up for the lack of five onon-five offense if they can't find it to the back of the net with these predictable shots from the outside. As far as Washington's concern, as that second game progressed, that's the Washington we saw in the regular season. Armie touched on it though. He said some of these teams that have longer layoffs, they haven't been feeling the puck and game situation. So in game one for Washington, they couldn't string two, three passes together.

They're a puck possession team. They can play off the rush. Are they as fast maybe as Carolina? No, but they were playing against teams who were faster than them all year. They can make plays. They got the guys to do so. And I still like them in this series moving forward forward even though the series is moving to Carolina. But

that's it. That's all I got. Those are the two standouts for me in that series. Another guy for Washington you have to mention is Conor McMichael. I mean, forget how he got the puck. I mean, if a teammate shoots it off your face like Shane Goss' pair, like I, he shouldn't get a minus. Like if your teammate hits you in the face with a puck and the guy goes on a breakaway, like you're off the hook, no minus for you. But that guy went down alive. I thought he like put it on the ice, but it was so quick bar down that shot. And it's the perfect example of having patience with a younger player. He's the 25th overall pick, I want to say,

I mean, five years, six years ago maybe, spent time in the minors, had a year in Washington where he didn't do much offensively. Last year, right around 30 points, and then this year, it's the pop-off year. You cannot expect every first rounder, every young guy to come in and dominate. This kid has grown into his body, he's stronger, he's faster, and he's got four goals in the playoffs now. That is a player that

has changed Washington. When you're looking at this season and yes, all the moves they made and everyone they brought in, him taking that step is one of the biggest things. And I bet you Carberry would say the same thing. On Carolina's side, the age-old thing of not being able to score, as you just talked about, Biz, I respect they brought in Rontan and it didn't work out. This is exactly what they saw him doing, no doubt, when they're offering him the money and they're making the big trade for him. But all these Hurricanes fans have talked to me about Sebastian Aho. He is the superstar you say we lack with. And in the first round he was. He had eight points in five games, right? Dominating, so far, the games get tougher.

Washington's more physical, way different team than New Jersey. He had a second assist on the power play goal in game two, I think. But you need a little bit more on Ajo. And if you don't have one superstar player, right, you're gonna need more guys to get involved. And I know there are times when Aho looks that good

through two games. I think even Brendamore would say, not publicly but privately, like with the coaches, we need more from him. He is our guy. Whether you wanna like that or hate it, if you love him or you think that he's not enough to win a cup, that argument really doesn't matter when you see how he's played in game one and two.

And I actually think at home he will be a lot better, but Washington's a hard team to play against. So can't wait to see what happens in Carolina. But they already grabbed home ice advantage back from Washington. So that's a big thing. And in news with Carolina guys, the Greensboro Gargoyles, we have an NHL team. Up top when you get to Greensboro, you have a dream. I'm in the coast right now. There are plenty of players who've played in the East Coast Hockey League and played in the NHL. Biz being one of them, two-time All-Star. The Carolina Hurricanes are where you want to get when you're a member of the Greensboro Gargoyles. Awesome announcement, pretty cool. What do you think about

them scratching Leonard? I think that Leonard looked really good when he came in at the end of the regular season and I just think that it's such a hard adjustment man. You're going from, I mean the round one's a little different. You're playing against Montreal. They don't necessarily have that much experience, but now you're getting into the second round. It's a whole different ball game,

and it's a hard adjustment to make, and maybe he finds his way back in. I don't necessarily think he's played bad. He did have an opportunity, and I want to say it was in game one against Carolina. Yeah, breakaway. And he had like a half breakaway and he kind of missed it. No, the guy got a piece of his stick.

Oh, did he? But what's funny, he buries that, which would be his first goal on a goal. He got that empty netter during the OV goal chase madness. That's like, that is the game of inches, man. It's like that goes in, he ain't coming out of the lineup. But I think that overall, Capitals fans didn't like him coming out, because I feel like although he wasn't scoring,

he's running around, he's not on the top two lines, right? So you know you're getting energy, I get it though, because man, it's a lot of hockey for a kid who's coming on a college show, you're fresh, but then all of a sudden, you get into the second round, and I bet you, Carberry told them like, you're going to have a chance to get back in. But right now it's maybe just a little bit of a reset, but it is nuts to see that breakaway that goes in. His confidence goes through the roof. He's in the lineup still. And that's when you see guys go on scoring streak. So I didn't, I didn't really see it coming, but at the same time, I kind

of got it, Keith, right? Like you're coming out of college. It's, Biz said it. It's, it coming, but at the same time I kinda got it Keith, right? Like you're coming out of college, Biz said it, I mean, the speed of this at this point is unlike anything he's ever seen, specifically with Carolina and how they skate. But this is, the series isn't super exciting so far, it's just muck and grind dude, and it's like playoff hockey. Our teams are

madness. Yeah it's not exactly crack cocaine hockey but it's still good. It's like melatonin hockey. The one thing kind of non playoff related with Carolina Anderson he got an extension a one-year extension nice little little pump up before he got put back in the net after going down with injury in round one. So I thought that he's looked solid too. He's been kicking, looks great. And I think that if they have any chance of winning the series, he has to stay healthy.

He has to be their guy. They're not getting it done with Kachekov. Good strategic move by Carolina. Sign the goal, give him some money right before the next series starts, get him feeling good. He's like, all right, they like me, you know, so that's a good move. He deserves it. He, uh, he's earned it. And I think this series, it looks now like it's going to go seven, right? Like every, it's going

to be every other, it seems like, and, uh, you know, take the under, yeah, the under for sure. Um, well it's out off to crack hockey and Miko Ratnan Who's been smoking the most rocks of them all this guy is out of his fucking mind right now McFarland like he can't have any shoelaces He better be in a padded room. He needs to get off the internet turn the TVs off Look cuz this has to be and I and I think even more even more is the Avs fans who are just like, how are we watching this? And Nick Kiprios came out with a report that apparently Rontanen wanted to go to Dallas specifically to, what was the word? Stick it right up.

Shove it down their throats. Shove it down their throats. Bonnie Blue style. I mean, what's the difference between Jam and Jelly, guys? Jesus Christ. Because this guy is a possessed human being right now. Now, a couple of the goals in game one, like kind of some lucky bounces here and there, but it doesn't matter.

Because when you're feeling like this and your stick is light, your feet aren't heavy, everything is slowed down. And once he got through Colorado with that performance that we talked and raved about, the greatest game seven third period anyone's ever seen, now it's like, oh dude. I mean, it almost even takes another weight off the shoulder. We're like, they're home, their GM is basically in a padded cell staring at himself, wondering what happened, why did we let this guy go? And we're going into Winnipeg and we're stealing game one. Now, I know Armie talked about the teams

with the long layoffs, kind of struggling a little bit, which I get. I also understand that Winnipeg, to go from that game seven, and like, it's hard. I think St. Louis threw 400 hits in the series. I know, I know. Flesh wounds. But it's more about the game,

and yes, it's the second round, you're at home, game one, but the letdown after that, it's almost a little natural, because you're starting a series over again and you just had this insane comeback in the last two minutes and now you're like, all right, you just cannot, tap the water with your toes at the beginning of series. And that's what Winnipeg was doing.

Arneal was pretty disgusted actually with the effort. Very disgusted. He was- I think he's just annoyed because there's no consistency to their game like there was in the regular season. And their foundation is built on structure and they're having so many structural breakdowns that are leading to goals and other problems,

like having to take penalties and like odd man rushes. Like this is a team that would put your nice, or your nuts in a vice. Like we talk about Florida having the Anaconda chokehold, that's what the Winnipeg Jets do to you in the regular season, right? And not often times are they even allowing these east to west passes that Hellebuck has to deal with.

And people might say, well, that's in the regular season, and half the games you're playing against non-playoff teams, and yeah, now all of a sudden you're dealing with teams that are incredible off the rush, they're able to get past these types of four checks because that's what makes them so special and so good not only that they have the personnel that can do that like the Rottenens like the Rupay Hints who can take it from his own end and go to the offensive zone because of

their speed so I think that he his frustration is just stemming from the fact that going back to the St. Louis series and now all of a sudden in game one, they keep like Hellebuck should have had maybe one or two of those goals. Like that one that Ratnan is battling with the defenseman in the crease and he's able to just poke it home because it falls out from. The second one? Yeah, it falls out from under him trying to cover the puck and it just lays there in the crease.

Like look where he is. Ratnan's got the whole net to poke it in. Like I hate just continuing to put the blame on a goaltender. Like I'm not picking at the low hanging fruit here. Can we agree that he probably should have had one if not two of those saves against Dallas in that game? Well, the second one was the tip. It went off someone's foot.

I'm talking about the one, I think it was the first one. Rotten is in the crease battling with a defenseman and he's able to just get his stick free and poke at it. People are like, well defenseman's gotta tie up his stick. It's like, bro, he's tying up the guy. He's got no leverage on his shot. Alls he's do is he's fucking poking at it. Hello bucks fucking outside of the post to post.

Like, come on here. Well he slid over. He slid over for a one-timer from dad knob, right? And then and it lead I don't know how much blame you can put on him for that I think more the one that I don't know It's it's tough cuz he's sliding across them. He made a good save on it was dad knob I think right where makes a good save there in the rebounds there. I don't I don't know I think you're you're picking on him. Am I picking on him? Yeah.

Well, put it this way, Bez. He was better than in the first round at all. The problem for the Jets is they hadn't lost a home game yet. And if you're gonna have worries about what's going on on the road based on that St. Louis series, like it's hard to lose game one.

Now on the bright side, Shifely came back and looked phenomenal, right? You gotta think that he's only gonna get better game two with how poorly they played. side, Shifeley came back and looked phenomenal, right? You got it, you got to think that he's only gonna get better game two with how poorly they played. Actually, can we play the Arneal clip? Because I'd like to see it again. You could tell the disgust, G. There's a lot of sloppiness to that game. That did not feel like a playoff game in the ground, game one and round two. That felt like game 45 and in the middle of December. Obviously, we know the high that we are on coming off that St. Louis game, but man,

this is the playoffs. That's a game that no matter how you start the game or however you get into the game, it's one of those ones that there's a way we have to play as a group and that's not how we play tonight. I expect a lot better effort game two. But yeah, it's you have to win game. You have to win game two at home. I mean, just based solely on what they did on the road in St. Louis, like, how are you going to trust that they can go into Dallas and beat a way better team on the road if they couldn't even get a game,

they couldn't even make it a close game on the road against St. Louis. So they're gonna need to be a lot better and they're gonna need Ronton and to get off whatever finished gas is being sent over to him. And like the guy, even though some of those goals were lucky, that's what happens when you're in this sort of run.

Everything you touch turns to gold. So I expect a better effort. Autencher's solid though, man. Everything about Dallas, they are a true Stanley Cup threat. They look phenomenal. They got by the biggest, baddest test in the West in terms of their mind in game one, and now they're just cruisin'.

And Heskinen still hasn't played, so. I don't know if you guys get. The first goal was a little, the Nita Ryder's goal was a little shaky, I didn't love it from Autinger, and then he, I mean the Scheifli goal at the end of the game, that's no one saving that, right?

But I was a little worried after that goal went in, I'm like, oh boy, is the horseshoe gonna fall out of his ass? But after that, he really dialed it in, I thought he was amazing for them, gave them chances to win the whole game making big saves at the end, too So if he's playing like that and Ranton is playing like that if they get high skin and back with there You are gonna be an issue. Yeah, they're very very big problem Morrissey is actually expected to return into the lineup for game two and

Chyphe scored end of the second period. So third period, Autinger was there. So we'll see, Winnipeg needs to get a win. They need to get a win at home. So the other one I was thinking about was the Sandberg one where he ended up getting the deflection on it and it went through Hellebuck's five hole. But I'm gonna say boys,

that cross ice pass over to Dadenhoff, it's not a very fast pass. He's got plenty of time to slide over and he overslides and he's completely out of the net. Like I'm not, listen, I'm not, I'm not picking on him but I'm also saying is if he's a Vezna winner and he's one of your star players like those in my opinion are the ones that need to be made. Like just the way that you would say that about Bob, just the way that you would say that about any start and goalieie. Those are the ones you need. When you're leaking oil and a play like that happens,

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Jeholt Quenville is back in the NHL. And I think it's an incredible hire for the Anaheim Ducks. I don't really care what you have to say and I understand people have their opinions and you're right to have that opinion. For me, the guy has been away from the game for a long time. I believe him when he says that he realized how much he fucked up and that there was an enormous mistake made and we've been over that a bunch.

But I mean he was going to be back in the NHL at one point and he got the okay from the NHL commissioner and at this point I think this is a guy who's won three Stanley Cups. People have loved playing for him. He brings energy, he brings enthusiasm and he's won everywhere he's been and Anaheim has a young core, similar and I am not at all saying Anaheim is ready to build a dynasty the way the Chicago Blackhawks did, but when he took over there, it was a lot of similar age guys, right? And they ended up bringing in veterans like Hosa.

Brian Campbell had already been there. But I think this is a great hire. I think it's exactly who Ducks fans wanted the Ducks to hire. And I look at this team and what they could do in the next few years. And my bet with Pasha that the Ducks will win a cup before the New Jersey Devils, $5,000, this is exactly who I needed them to hire. So, Biz, I don't know if you have an opinion on this. There are people with certainly many different ones, but he's now behind the bench of an NHL team. Yeah. I mean, you kind of touched on it. You said you understand like some people's frustration, especially if they've been

involved in something that that Kyle Beach has been involved in right like that's something that's gonna scar you and and And affect you for the rest of your life As a result of the mistake that Quinville made in the situation Which I think that people if they've read it up it, like I don't know how much he was aware of what actually went down when it did, considering that at the time Kyle Beach was a black ace and there's separation there. So any accountability that Quinville needed to take,

he took it and he lost his livelihood as a result of it. And he had to go away and not only reflect and have that strip from him, but also put in work to understand what his decision, the pain that it caused, and if it would ever come again, how he would handle it and deal with it. And he's put that work in, according to the press conference and his words and the organization's words, he's still going to work locally to continue to understand

what maybe went wrong throughout that whole process. And also in the meantime, reached out to Kyle Beach to talk to him and then also get his blessing on the fact that he can continue his coaching journey. So at the end of the day, guys, like this was a horrible situation. It scarred a lot of people. Obviously Kyle Beach being the biggest one and you know I'm just happy that that coach Q is able to continue his his livelihood and kind of put all those demons behind him in a sense of whatever his his involvement was and indirect or direct as it was and I'm like I'm not one of those people that's going to come here

and shame anyone. I just really hope that they were able to help each other through the healing process. More importantly, Kyle Beach and everybody can move on and enjoy and live their, the rest of their lives in a happy place other than obviously the scumbag who did it. Well said. Well said, Keem. obviously the scumbag who did it. Well said. Well said. He, uh, hockey wise you played for Q. What, what is it like?

I mean, uh, obviously a little different in Florida than the teams he had in Chicago, but take us through playing for him. Yeah, I think, I mean, obviously he's, he, his fingerprints are on the teams that Florida's had the last few years, right? He kinda, you know, besides Matthew, you know, he kind of, he helped get barky where he is helped get ecchi where he is for Hagee. Um, so he, he was there when they brought Forsling in. So just the guy that has his fingerprints on, you know, another winning team.

But I think, I think it's going to be a great, a great hire for them. I think, uh, I think it's going to help them. He has, you know, Goudas is there and Frankie V are there that guys that have had him in Florida, they know what to expect because he's a demanding coach. He's a guy, you know, he, he doesn't allow you to make sauce passes in practice or backhand passes, passes in practice. Like he's kinda, he's got that old school mentality of, you know, he wants it his way and, you know, it's, you can't argue them with it, right?

Cause the guy just wins. So, um, I think he's going to be great for that group. Sorry. Is it true that you cannot make a backhand pass as a defenseman? Yeah, not allowed. I think that for, for most D men at the NHL level, it's hard for them on an execution standpoint to make backhand passes. But I also think there's probably one or two on each team. You could green light in a sense of like,

you a if you feel like you can make the play, make the play. But you're telling me it could be Duncan Keith and his prime and he's blowing the drill down saying, get on your forehand. I don't know. I wasn't there for what in Chicago, but for us he was. And maybe he just didn't think we were as good as them. Yeah, no sauce past. Why are you laughing, Whit? Because I used Duncan Keith as an example?

No, I'm laughing because he said I don't think he thought any of us were as good as Duncan Keith. Yeah, which is fair, and he's not wrong. Who was your best defenseman when he said no backhand passes? Oh, it was everyone. I mean, eclad.

Um, yeah, I don't know. No, it was, I don't even think it was like in practice, like even forwards weren't allowed to make backhand passes, like in the, in the D zone, like coming out, you know, everything was hard on the tape. Um, you know, his practices were great. Ran a great practice. Everything was fast up tempo. I would imagine he's going to bring all Samuelson with him, who is a great coach.

I had him in Phoenix, New York and in Florida. I'd love Ulfie. Um, so I imagine he'll bring him there. Ulfie will be great with that young, with that young decor. Um, yes. I mean, at the end of the day, I think it's just a great hire. Anytime you can get a guy with his, you know, winning pedigree and, you know, the respects, the respect he demands around the league, um, you know, from the players,

other coaches, uh, you know, what he's going to bring to that locker room, you know, they haven't, who did they win with? Was it, was it, um, Carlisle? I think Carlisle. Randy. Yeah. Randy. Yeah.

So I mean, that's kind of probably their last, oh, they had Bruce Woodrow for a bit, but yeah, I think it's a great hire for them. I think he's going to help them out a ton. And I think your bet with Pasha is a home run for you right now. Yeah, I agree. I'm curious to know though, like that much time off, definitely more of an old school coach.

That's a young core, right? There's a few older guys there, but I also feel like a guy like McTavish wouldn't mind a hard coach. He can handle it. So I'm interested to see how the other young prospects who they have in their system, that it's Jackson,

LaColm, like some of these guys, how are they gonna handle being told that they're not using their backhand anymore? Well, I think it's a little bit of a reason interviewing Leo Carlson Kid seems like somebody who does not mind if a coach is hard on him like that That's a high character and I feel like he's somebody who maybe even appreciate once in a while a demanding coach now They just had like maybe maybe they had a little overboard with Cronin, where some of the things we were hearing were a little ridiculous.

And he didn't have that. Yeah, Q's not like that. Well, he's doing media now, and apparently he was asked about what we were saying, and he said that we were lying about everything, right? Is that what was said? Yeah, I think he's got the lion baby. Are we gonna move on from that?

Then players on his team are lying. Yeah. We've been called liars before, Biz. That's true, by the Boston Bruins. So the, the, the Oilers killed the Kings. We killed the Flames, now they're back a little bit. We killed them a few years back,

and they've been doing pretty well this year specifically We really buried the Canucks. I mean the Canucks they don't have a coach that that team's a mess and employed and and now I think We've we've buried LA so we're just knocking down teams in the Pacific year Yeah, Rob Blake and the Kings have parted ways apparently it was a true parted ways mutual decision where I think Frank Zervali said they had offered him a contract and maybe he figured it was kind of time to move on. I mean four in a row to one team is hard, especially this year where it looked locked in stone,

they had that series. And the rumors G says here is Mark Bergevin could be the replacement. Okay. Yeah, so we'll see what happens with LA. I still think LA, like they're in a good spot. Yes, Doughty and Kopitar are older, but you got to get Kemp be signed and then I mean, can Kemp be as good? I mean, I said 10 million a year in the chat.

I laughed at you. And you guys were like, you guys laughed at me and I'm like, ah, I think he might get fucking 11 and a half. I think it's going higher than that. Like he should be making more than Elias Pedersen. Like, right? Like this, he's the future there. You gotta lock him in. Sucks to hear about Blakey.

Well, like I guess hearing that, that it was like a mutual decision, like I guess like it's not even like taking onus for what happened in playoffs. It's more maybe just like, hey, like, you know, my happened in playoffs. It's more maybe just like hey like you know My my time is done. It's a lot of work man. He had a long career He's been doing it you know since he retired basically and fuck you got to be turned on all the time and

glued into the hockey world so maybe he just wants a little bit of a break and kind of seemed like at the time when it was announced falling on the sword for the for the Hiller fumble as far as coaching in games three and four. But yeah, tough times for L.A. and yeah, their oilers own their ship. You also remember when, you know, Paul Maurice stepped away from Winnipeg. It's like sometimes you just know, like, I don't know that my time has come here. And Rob Blake, I mean, God, how much money did that guy make? It's not like he needs to do anything.

He's just a hockey lifer, great person, from what I've been told. Everyone loves the guy. That whole brass is awesome. And they work well together, and they draft well, they develop well, they're all buddies, they've played together. That's why I was surprised to see

that he was stepping down down or they mutually agreed. You think he'll take another job or he's gonna step away? I don't think so. Apparently, when he went to LA, he bought a property. He went and looked at a house and I'm gonna use five million as a number. And he was obviously making enough money at the time.

And it was on a double lot. And where do they all live? What's the area called? Hermosa? Manhattan Beach? I think it's Manhattan Beach, and he buys it, and I think that the house now is worth 30 million bucks. Like, it's insane.

It's one of the most beautiful properties there. It's a double lot, which is extremely rare. So as far as money and how he's doing and how he's chilling, he's in the top echelon of career earnings and how he did away from the game, so he's gonna be chilling. He's gonna be chilling big time. Breaking news here, Nicholas Wa will have a hearing

tonight from Kostchek to Edmonton. Now, some people thought maybe wouldn't be suspended because he's kicked out of the game five major I'm like What are we talking about here? That is maybe the most blatant suspension I've ever seen I think one game considering Frederick's not hurt I am I am I fucking up that they don't go based on injury or they do I always I don't think they Go on based on injury. They go on intent Okay, so I think one game, do you guys agree with that?

I would say one game and then send him to dental school to help him out with his root canal and that's it. We call it a day. As far as quick hits, the one that I really wanted to get to and it kind of been festering and I think this has been a couple weeks since both of them have spoken to the media was the Detroit Red Wings.

I'll throw it over to you if you have more of a breakdown of the timeline in which it was said, but basically it went from Dylan Larkin saying that he thought that they could have added more at the deadline to give the team a boost to then the media asking Eiserman about it, let's say a week later or days later in a different press conference, and him rolling his eyes saying like, I was looking to our leadership group for that boost, and they didn't bring it, and if anybody was watching the games, essentially their play dictated the fact that we didn't make playoffs,

like when we lost nine of 11 games down the stretch. Is that kind of like Coles notes, what you had written down? down the stretch. Is that kind of like Coles notes what you had written down? Yes. And I don't remember. And maybe the chat can let us know. Like, obviously, the postseason press conference exit meetings for a team with expectations and a team who needs to get over the hump at some point and get in the playoffs, they can get a little contentious with media

sometimes. And this is an original Six Market. Iserman's a true legend in the game. I don't remember a captain coming out and almost calling out the GM in a way like that. And I kind of get Larkin's point, right? We're looking for you to add something. If you remember, I believe they got, was it a couple of years ago when Ottawa waxed them back to back and Iserman's like, that's when I knew I wasn't going to add anything. Well, this year, I think the fan base and the players, obviously, not I think based on Larkin's comments, that deadline day is exciting, right? You're thinking, we're going to get something here, we're going to add something and they didn't. And Larkin made it clear that the whole room just, it's kind of like the balloon popped a little bit, like, what?

Like we're not doing anything to help. And then to see Eisenman come back and almost, I don't want to say call out the leadership, because I didn't see that quote exactly, Biz. It's kind of an odd end of the year, right? You got your captain and your GM obviously disagreeing on how the trade deadline was approached. You have, what is it? Is it eight years, seven years without the playoffs in Detroit? You see Ottawa take the next step. Now you're sitting there wondering, what's going to happen this summer? I don't know what Detroit ends up deciding to do. I don't know if Iceman

thinks there's got to be big changes until they can become a contender and look to add guys in the deadline. I think they have some awesome prospects that should be ready in the near future. More just concerning for a Red Wings fan to see the captain and the GM disagree that much at the end of the year. So I don't remember. And I think saying disagreeing is putting it lightly. I think that there is a spark to something, where there's smoke, there's fire. And I saw a clip from Kam and Strick, and I agree with them.

It felt like they were saying, at what point do you not take into a Hall of Fame playing career into account, where if you're being asked questions as a general manager, like you could see that he was getting frustrated with the media and he was kind of like rolling separate that and say, we don't care what your past was as a player. We want questions answered about what's happening with the fabric of this team. And I'll just say this, like, I think bringing in Patrick Kane for what he's going to do as far as rubbing off on the players in the locker room, first ballot Hall of Famer for those guys to learn off of them. That's a great move bringing him in.

Do I think going out and free agency and getting a guy like Vlad Teresenko is for those guys to learn off of them. That's a great move bringing him in. Do I think going out in free agency and getting a guy like Vlad Teresenko is like the best needle moving signing? Not necessarily. I thought he did a great job in Florida because he got to go there and just be like a little piece and was surrounded by all the rest of the guys.

I think that he had his moments, but I don't feel that he's went out there and helped surround the top three forwards with other incredible players. Now, it could be a few years here till his drafts, and I believe he's had like what, six, seven total drafts his own. Sometimes it takes a year or two

to put your own guys in place, to draft the guys that you want to draft. Well, let's see if maybe some of those guys come to fruition, but for him to kind of get snippy at like Larkin specifically, I guess, and then the leadership group, if they had, I wrote it down here, they had 96 goals between Larkin, Debrinket, and Raymond.

And towards the end of the season, we had them on a broadcast, and they had accumulated, I believe, 41 to 42% of the team's goals, where they either factored in them, or maybe even their goal total was 42%. So if you're saying, well, I'm hoping for a little boost from those guys at the end of the year, it's like, well, tell me a successful team

that had 42% of their offense coming from their three best forwards and goal scoring wise, and then it really dropped off after. So in a point, I kind of agree with Larkin. Like, why wouldn't you try to go make a little bit maybe more of an aggressive move in order to go get a piece that can help them win now.

Other teams have done it. And then going back to what Cam and Strix said, it's like for Larkin to question it publicly and not crazy about, but for the other reporters to be asking questions like this and then maybe see his reaction, I don't know, man. At a certain point, you gotta fucking stand there and take the licking's

if you're the one who's been in control for fucking eight years. Like what's happening here? If they don't make playoffs next year, who do we blame then? Okay, next year, the year after that? What do you think, Jans? Yeah, I honestly, I respect the shit out of Larkin

for doing it, because at the end of the day it's his career. Like Stevie Y already had his playing career, right? He won, made the playoffs every year probably, and that's what they were used to in Detroit. And Larkin's kind of came in, I think he made it his first year and then he hasn't made it since or something like that. And you know, for a guy and he's the captain of that team to go out publicly and say that, you know, he wasn't happy that they didn't go out and get guys at the deadline.

It didn't show them the best, uh, you know, leadership, I guess. I think, I think it's very admirable of them and just to, you know, put his nuts on the line there and, um, you know, cause I think he's like, okay, this is my team. I got to get this team back to the playoffs. I am sick of being done. Um, you know, in April, I want to be playing in these meaningful games. So I really do give him a lot of credit for that. And I think what, what did Stevie say something about, he was like, well,

Montreal didn't make any moves. They made the playoffs. So it's like, you can't like every team's different, right? Like they could have. They could have easily gone out and got somebody like they could have. You know, traded away, uh, these good prospects that they have and got some players. And I think if you want to show, cause we've all been in a locker room where, you know, if you're at the bottom of the league, you're trading everyone

and you know, what's coming. And then if you're in a playoff spot or close to your teams, going out and getting guys, and when your GM goes out and gets them, you're like, okay, he's all in, we're all in, let's fucking go for this guy. So, but more than anything, I just kind of respect the fact that Larkin's kind of taken it by the chain and saying, listen, this is my career, this is my team right now. I wanna be part of it and I wanna make this team get better

and help in any way, so kudos to him. And let's look at the guys they've brought in. OK. And I was a plug. I'm not insulting. I'm just saying these aren't exactly needle movers. I said the Teresenko one. Andrew Cobb.

Don't mind him as a player, but I mean, he hasn't exactly been unreal since he's been there. He dealt with some injury this year, 10 goals, 13 assists. Ben Chirot, yeah, he's a steady stay at home defenseman, probably there to help cider out and learn from a veteran, but not exactly a needle mover. Justin Hull came over from the Leafs, not exactly a needle mover.

Jeff Petrie, well, he's on the back nine. Like, at what point are- But Biz, how about, and Red Wing started to interrupt you, is they traded Wallman, and they had to give up a draft pick to trade him for San Jose to take him. Now that was- He wouldn't answer that question. That was an interesting part of that press conference where-

That was a great question. Something happened there. I shouldn't say something happened. There was something about Wallman that Eisenman made it pretty clear, like I didn't want him around. And Wallman gave quotes after the trade saying he was heartbroken and shocked.

Who knows what actually went down there? But Eisenman at the press conference, he wouldn't go into it. He made it very clear that that was a move that he felt needed to happen. Well, you see how Wallman's playing right now for Edmonton. I think Wings fans have a reason to be like, well, what the fuck? Would they love to know the story?

Yes, I think as most people would, but something was going on where Iceman decided, not only am I going to get rid of this guy, I I'm gonna give a draft pick away for him. I'm almost curious sometimes if that switch, right? And I would compare Stevie Iserman's switch and his mental strength and his like psychoness about hockey, I would compare him to Nate. He seems like he's got a demeanor like Nate, no nonsense. I'm gonna rip your fucking heart out

and I'm gonna stomp on it until you're done and we lift the Stanley Cup. And if maybe he's not seeing that from others, that same exact mentality, it drives him up the wall and he just has no fucking time for it. The gritty? He didn't like the gritty? The same things that made him great as a player Could potentially I guess hurt in a GM role where sometimes patience is important Sometimes a little bit of leniency is important Sometimes being a little bit more aware of the times and the type of personnel and players you're dealing with is different

So I think that he has so much respect in the hockey community, especially for what he's helped build in Detroit by leading all those teams to Stanley Cups. I would imagine that if they don't make playoffs this next year coming up, he would still have enough leash to then have one more year after that to then miss playoffs. If they miss playoffs for two more straight years, then he's gone. That's my opinion. Some of you Detroit fans who have seen it and been in the thick of it might say,

if they don't make it this year, he's done, especially at the way that the press conference went, especially at the way that Larkin was in his press conference. What do you guys think about that? Would you not agree that I think he's probably got two more years left in that seed if they don't make playoffs

Yeah, I mean God it's just hard to pick. Yeah, it's hard to picture him Going there with the eiser plan a legend of the wings and it not working I think everyone just assumed and what had happened in Tampa like he's gonna build a winner and maybe maybe they do I mean that that Danielson's supposed to be very good. They picked Axel Sandin Pelika's coming. So there's room to grow here, and there's young guys coming, and there's a lot of questions that remain to be answered. But it is odd to see that it's taken this long,

and Red Wings fans are starting to get a little upset, which I don't blame them. Well, I tell you what, of all those guys I mentioned, they better be making a bigger splash in free agency this summer is one. And he sure as hell better hope that some of these picks that they've picked start popping off and looking more like Lucas Raymond's

and the Dylan Larkins, because if they don't, something's gotta crack. And maybe it's Dylan Larkin, because if they don't, something's gotta crack. And maybe it's Dylan Larkin saying, hey, thanks, thanks, but no thanks. I wanna go play some playoff hockey and take my talents elsewhere. And if you think that I need to keep boosting this team up more after what we've been able to accomplish

on the top line, well then so be it, Stevie. The main one for me is they gotta sign that goalie, Augustine. It almost seems like he's going back. I know to hope for an injury. They have him and that Costa in the pipeline. They have goalies in their pipeline. I apparently they're- And now if he goes to August, he's a free agent. I know that's it. That's what it looks like he's doing, right?

What do you think? I think he's going to be a free agent. I think he's going to be a free agent. I think he's going to be a free agent. I think he's going to be a free agent. I think he's going to be a free agent. I think he's going to be a free agent. I think he's going to be a free agent.

I think he's going to be a free agent. I think he's going to be a free agent. I think he's going to be a free agent. I think he's going to be a free agent. I think he's going to be a free agent. I think he's going to be a free agent. I goes to August, he's a free agent. I know, that's what it looks like he's doing, right? But he's from Michigan, he goes to Michigan State, why wouldn't he want to be there? But maybe, I don't know. The same reason that the kid from Isaac Howard, these kids have all the leverage, why would they care?

They want to play in the NHL now, they get their feet wet, they have one good season, and then all of a sudden they're signing an eight-year times eight extension yeah that was pretty gnarly I'm glad we got to finally catch up and talk about that drama wings we'll see what happens here drama and to end the show the draft lottery went. I'd say one of the most confusing things I've ever watched or seen. Credit to the league for trying to switch it up, right? It was a different idea. It was just a little confusing.

Where I think most people were, I think Murl said, just have the certain amount of numbers for each team and then have their logo on it when it comes out. Just flip over the card and tell me who gets first pick. Like fuck off. Like I. It was like, it was like Bruins fans are like,

we need this six numbers in a row. And it was like watching Keno balls come out playing it at the bar in Massachusetts. It makes people think it's more rigged than it is apparently. Like they're just, like you said, they're creating more confusion. It's kind of it was interesting to see that the the mayor, the governor of

New York, the governor excuse me, wrote a letter to Gary and the NHL complaining about the fact they're being stripped of that All-Star game because of the amount of government funds that were used to help build that arena. So people obviously speculating at the fact that they were hand delivered a first overall pick as a result. I don't know if the first overall is that much better than the second third. From my understanding, it seems like there's three consensus first overall picks. It could be either three guys and they're just going to go one, two, three. Is that the same thing you guys are hearing?

Well, it's funny. I looked at it because you get the first overall pick and it's, Oh my God, the excitement for the fan base. I looked in the last 20 years, the number one overall picks. I have 11 guys that are true. Like, Oh my God, we got this guy. Like we won the lottery. All right. So that's what, so it God, we got this guy. Like we won the lottery and we got him. All right, so it goes Ovi, Sid, then Eric Johnson, right? That's not what you think first overall. This is no disrespect to any of the nine guys, right? Kane, that's three.

Stamkos, four. Tavares, five. Taylor Hall, we're talking first overall, no. Nugent Hopkins, no. Yakupov, no. Yes, the Oilers had the first overall pick three years in a row. McKinnon, yes.

Ekblad, no. McDavid Matthews, yes. Heesheer, no. I have Dahlene as a no. Maybe I'm just so off there because it's Buffalo. Hughes I have as a yes. LaFrenier, no. Owen Power, no.

Slefkovski, no. And Badard and Celebrini I have as yes. Do you guys get what I'm saying that this year seems to be like... And buddy, some of those names I just mentioned, incredible, incredible careers. But you're talking first overall. It just shows... It's not a guarantee that you have this full-blown organizational franchise changing player. Now this year seems to be that way. Maybe this Matthew Schaefer turns into Heskinen or McCarr or maybe Misa is a 50 goal guy.

I don't know that much about this draft, but what I've heard is it's not Gavin McKenna next year. So we'll see. Interesting. People, I mean, I don't know, do you disagree with any of those? So let me give you the names. I don't know enough about that. That's not my world. No, no, no, I'm saying of the guys that true number one picks. Pasha's losing his mind right now and saying no Nico Heesheer, sober up with Jesus fuck. That's what Pasha wrote. Hold on. What are you guys? Is he sure? I agree with you

Amazing player is he one of the 11 guys I just named no biz You're in what sense you're saying like a guy franchise number one like a I would say he's bond the cusp cuz like The same thing is Ekblad and, um. No, I wouldn't. Dallin maybe? Dallin.

I wouldn't even put Ekblad there. But I'm talking. But he's one though. Crosby, Ovi, Stammer, like dude, Matthews. Not those. And I would actually put Dallin and Nico in that second tier right down until we see otherwise. I view Nico, he's sure like the Sebastian Ajo. Like kind of not quite on the top tier franchise changing.

You're getting a 70 point guy who plays both ends of the ice and he's a great, great 200 foot player. If you want to check my picks, maybe take off. Jesus Christ, what the hell? It's been a long stream. I think your list was perfect. Badard, maybe, maybe, I don't know. I don't know. Celebrating one year, but he looks. I think Badard's gonna pop off next year.

All right. So, great show, boys. Cruz Armstrong. Alright. So, great show boys. Cruz Armstrong. Yes. First round by the Seattle Thunderbirds in the US priority WHL draft. Congratulations Cruz, awesome for you. I know you're, it's funny, I asked,

Armie stayed over at my house the night of Oilers Vegas game one. And he made, I was like, how good is Cruz? And he just obviously downplayed it, happy for him man that's awesome he stays in the United States I know army said he was hoping for and we'll see what he can do now I don't know if I think I don't think you're playing the WHL yet but Brock Lesnar's kid was drafted too I think I believe his name is Duke Lesnar whoa yeah he's gonna be a wait how, wait, how is he drafted in the dub

if he lives in Pittsburgh? Because- Yeah, it's a special draft. Like, you're able to pick what league because Army play in the Western League. Oh, it's because Army played there? Yeah. Oh, I heard it was because they know

how much of a crazy hockey dad Army is and they want him as far away as possible. Doesn't matter where the team is, it could be in fucking China and he's fucking into the mix. He loves it. He wants to know what's going on. I bet you if I had a kid in hockey, I'd be the same fucking way.

I was kidding. I don't know what Armie's like behind the bench. Oh, he's a lunatic. But yeah, congrats to Armie. That's huge. That's gonna's gonna be awesome. Following his career when he's playing in the dub, drinking beers, throwing both ways, just headshot and guys like his old man. Yeah, just giving them the black elbow. All right guys, great show. Unreal show. Kujo. Keith, Stay calm tonight. I can't wait.

It's so nice having a night off too. After the, I'm like, I need tonight to just like watch and just as a hockey fan, just looking for good games. It's not life or death. So, everyone thank you for tuning in. Who do you like tonight, Whit? Who do you like? I like Florida.

But I think it's going to, I don't think they're going to blow them out. I think it's going to be another incredible game. And I just want to say to all Leafs fans still listening, ignore the idiots like, like while Yans isn't too bad, at least publicly, Murls is starting to do the reverse mush and also trying to spread lies at, Oh, Leafs already think they got the series one because William Nylander went to the beach yesterday and got a little bit of sun, a little bit of vitamin D. What's wrong with that?

Apparently Murls doesn't think that that's good. He thinks that they're checked out of the series. I mean, I said to Murls, send me pictures of them with margaritas in their hands and getting tugged off by their Thai masseuses like I was after game two, and then maybe we'll talk about them thinking the series is over.

It's called the Big Blue Pill. The ocean is called the Big Blue Pill. It helps inflammation, it helps everything. Get in there, I get in there every day, Biz. Yeah, I guess Merle's is anti-recovery. He's like the old school way where he thinks you should be at the elbow room gassing a two, four of beers beers but they decided to go chill at the

beach but I guess they think that the series is over. So Matt Murley ladies and gentlemen. Murlz has a bigger problem. I think he sits at home and watches the elbow room live cam. Yes he does. Like he's just like I want to be there I want to be like he says he's watching the World Championships right like he's just like I want to be there. I want to be like he says he's watching the world championships right now He's staring at the elbow room live cam and he's hoping to see some leafs drinking some beers and some pink Whitney so He's basically TMZ He's TMZ. All right guys awesome show great catching up with you guys and good luck to both of you tonight Let's just hope for a fair game

and after all Cut it. That's it. You're my wonder wall Even if I could go away I don't know any other way This feeling is so hard to wear I don't know any other way Even if I could go away I don't know any other way This feeling is so hard to break I'll get you someday