Spittin Chiclets - Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 562: Featuring James Van Riemsdyk & Mike Modano

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

On Episode 562 of Spittin’ Chiclets, The boys are joined LIVE by James Van Riemsdyk and Mike Modano to talk about the State of the Leafs and the Panthers after the Series tying game in Sunrise as well as the rest of what’s going on in the 2nd round of playoffs. Are the Leafs poised for another choke job, or can the home ice advantage push them through the 2nd round? The Ol Whitdawg was in shambles after Reilly Smith scored the game winner in game 3 with 0.4 seconds left. After a ton of back and forth, the Dallas Vs. Winnipeg series is heating up after Dallas took a 2-1 Series lead with a controversial goal from Petrovic. Carolina took a commanding series lead after a 4-0 game 3 performance. Does Obi have enough left in the tank to get past the Canes? Find out LIVE on this weeks Episode. You won’t want to miss it. 00:00:00 - START 00:05:10 - Leafs state of the Union 00:39:43 - Vegas Vs. Edmonton Series 01:03:30 - Mike Modano Joins LIVE 01:03:46 - Winnipeg Vs. Dallas Series 01:34:22 - James Van Riemsdyk Joins LIVE 01:36:40 - Washington Vs. Carolina Series 02:05:50 - Quick Hits Support the Show: PINK WHITNEY: Take Your Shot with Pink Whitney NOBULL: Visit https://nobullproject.com/chiclets for 30% off your entire order. KRAKEN: Head to https://kraken.com/barstool RHOBACK: Use code CHICLETS on https://rhoback.com for a generous 20% off your first purchase through the end of this week GAMETIME: Download the Gametime app today and use code CHICLETS for $20 off your first purchaseYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/schiclets

Hey, spitting chicken listeners, you can find every episode on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon music. Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed to the jungle that is Boston sports. Our white whale Sydney Crosby. Shave his head. Shave his head. Shave his head. Ryan Whitney, Paul Bissonnette, R.A., Mike Grinelli, Spitton Chicklets. What is up everyone? Welcome episode 562 of the Spitton Chicklets podcast.

We got Mur in Sweden, we got Biz down on his luck and we get the big boy Drum banging Keith Yandle Happy as a clam he's got the stick still hey guys this episode Presented to you by pink Whitney vodka take your shot with pink Whitney I had mums sending me pictures of pink Whitney. Their kids were giving them for Mother's Day. I said that on Friday. Good job, guys. That's how to take care of your mums. Love, respect and Pink Whitney.

Couple big bottles, couple little bottles and a couple just, you know, here, mum, take this nip, take this nip, not your nip, this nip of Pink Whitney and drink it. And let's enjoy Mother's Day. Let's watch some hockey. And everyone did. So shout out Pink Whitney. Take your shot with Pink Whitney and drink it and let's enjoy Mother's Day. Let's watch some hockey and everyone did. So shout out Pink Whitney, take your shot with Pink Whitney. Guys, things have changed big time. We were on here Friday, what is that? 72 hours ago basically, right?

And Biz, we were laughing. You and I were smiling. No, no, no, no, no. You might have been laughing. I knew we were still in one. I knew we were still in a series and that it was gonna be the toughest two games that Toronto Maple Leafs,

especially with that core group, has ever played. I said that. I just want that to be known, Mr. Whitney, as you adjust your new microphone. By the way, the stand looks incredible. Thanks, guys. I've had a lot of people tell me, like, get a stand.

Why are you holding the mic with your hand? I said, I like to. And now Armie set up the stand and I feel like a new man. I do feel a little weird, like, what do I do with my hands? But I'm ready to go. And yes, I was talking a lot of shit, especially to Murls. I was very happy.

But I mean, you might have understood the assignment going forward for your Leafs. You were also happy, though. you're up 2-0. You held serve at home. I did, yeah we did. And then you just got worked. You just got worked. Don't forget they were up three to one Friday night.

Well that was when Murr, guys, that's when Murr, he sent out the tweet. This asshole sent out the tweet. He's an asshole. Of Blakes from Toronto to Edmonton talking about the cup final so he's mushing you and he's mushing me while helping his golden Knights and not just the reverse mush of sending out the cheap flights to Toronto he's like TMZ now making up rumors that William Nylander and the boys are on the beach the whole day sipping margaritas

they were that there's not rumors and you boys are on the beach the whole day sipping margaritas. Oh, they were. They were, there's not rumors. And you guys were saying, oh, it's the blue pill, that's good for you. Not when you're the road team and your pale skin isn't used to it. You're saying that going outside for 30 minutes just to get a little vitamin D is not good?

Like you're not supposed to get any type of sun? I think it's too much of a shock from places like Toronto and Edmonton to come down there. I agree with them. But here's the thing, though. You say that, and they were actually really decent in game three.

Yeah, they had a few lapses, but they could have easily just as won that game as Florida. I actually thought they might have been the better team in overtime even. You had Bobrowski, who, by the way, it is a little scary and unsettling. He's back. That Bob. He's back.

You know when Bob gets that little pep in his step and he starts tapping his D-men in the ass, thanking them for blocking shots and clearing the way and he's seeing everything? And let's not forget, he made those two huge breakaways in overtime on Knives and Nylander and then the one on Nyes to keep that game one nothing last night do you remember that one? Just incredible. Sliding across with the glove in now Piz so let's quickly say we'll get to the Oilers in a little bit

Miko Ranntinen I texted the group I think if I'm Chris McFarlane, I'm announcing my resignation today. We'll get into that in a little bit. We have Mike Madono coming on. We got James Van Reems coming on. Carolina fans, your team is suffocating. Your team is a hell of a team. Frederick Anderson is a possible Con Smythe winner based on right now. That is the most boring series I've ever watched. Yep. Just be careful. We're part owners, but just be careful. We'll con Smythe winter baseman right now. That is the most boring series I've ever watched. I'm talking- Be careful, we're part owners, but just be careful.

No, I, hey, I just said your team's phenomenal and it's really hard to beat them at home and get anything done against them. The hockey, it's not entertaining, but we'll still get into it. But Biz, we're gonna go to you. We'll address it at the board of governors this off season with them and we'll give our two cents

because we have ownership and we'll see. Exactly. Biz, talk to us because you kind of knew this was coming in a sense. Game, I'll say this before you go. Game three, periods one and two, phenomenal, phenomenal hockey by the Leafs. Period three and the entire game four, you got some issues. Oh.

Something has switched. Yeah. I mean, if we want to go right to game four, like probably the worst way to start a game on the road, especially playing the Defending Cup champs, like to take four minors, and listen, like they did a good job killing the first three and it was just at the end of that third one like they win that draw clean and Oliver's

been incredible. Yans you play with them like unbelievable guy you know really transformed his game after going down to Florida and monster on the penalty kill. He gets that and I think that he thinks it grazes off of Morgan Reilly, and that's why he looked a little bit upset about the call and kept shaking his head, but that went clean out. And then obviously on that fourth ensuing power play, Florida finally finds the back of the net,

and I actually thought they were snapping around pretty good on the first three, they just couldn't find the back of the net, but that one, I mean, yeah, brutal fucking start, nobody showed up. And you guys know more than anyone, when you go on a kill four times in the first period, nobody's got their legs other than the killers.

So all those guys are sitting on the bench with their fucking dick in their hand, being like, when am I gonna get a five on five shift here to get my legs going? They're gonna have to get fucking five spin bikes in the hallway to get the fucking legs going for the second period. So the one thing. So, um,

the one thing that really, really sucks is Joseph Wall finally looked like himself. He finally got acclimated to the speed of playoffs, like getting used to the traffic and getting bombarded with all these shots. Like they waste, they wasted a stolen game performance from Joseph Wall. Like that could have easily been their game. And like I said, credit to Bob, he made the big saves when he had to, I feel like over the course of the first two periods like it was late work for him because of how bad Florida came and fucking peppered him, but um It was it just felt like like an uninspiring effort from from the Leafs and the big guys and that that's what sucks it was definitely a let down from game three. And yeah, but hey, listen, today's a new day.

We're breathing. The same way, listen, the same way that Ekblad, after the first two games on the road, he was asked about it. He goes, yeah, they won their two home games. They held serve, who cares? And then they went down there, and then they handled business on home ice.

So, you know, I can't be mad. It's a split. We knew this was going to be a long series. I'm not going to fucking bitch and complain and throw the core four under the bus, even though I think a few of them can fucking be a little bit better and elevate their game, especially five on five.

I really hope that Matthews is able to maybe hit the net a little bit more with some of these opportunities. Ace talked about it on the broadcast, man. He goes, they've, he has the most missed nets, uh, so far in playoffs. Like that's like, they calculate that stat. What's so funny over there, Murr? I love it. Like I love it. Ace know about all this going on about him. I think that he like he's become an internet legend

and he needs to embrace it. I know, he's gotta embrace that. I asked him if he wanted to come on and he said he'd come on so we can get him on this upcoming week. We can get him on the Friday show and I'd love to talk to him about what he's seen in playoffs and the fact that he's fucking

internet king right now. He's Ace. He's Ace, baby. Hey, Ace here. Ace of spades. Yance, Yance, Yance. Yeah let's go to Yance man like good for you that was an unreal uh like drummer boy effort you know the fact that you showed up on time and you know you get your clout chasing me that's the best the drum and their logo has ever looked with my face on it, but I'll throw it over to you.

Boom, boom, boom. See, they didn't originally show you hammering on the t-shirt. That came out a little later. And then you see. That's the best the drums ever looked. Yeah, it's the best the drums ever looked, man. No, not true. What do you mean?

The best it looked was Friday night when Big AJ and Big Justice were banging the drums. So having to go after those two guys, I was a little nervous. You know, you go with the Costco Kings, boom, boom, boom, and then I have to go after them. I'm not going to lie to you guys, I was a little nervous. And then the pressure that kind of was on me all game for them to win, you know? You feel like you're the guy, you got to get them going.

I thought I did. I thought the crowd really reacted well to Biz's stupid face. And it was just nice to be around 20,000 people that all had the same goal of just hating Biz for a couple. And it wasn't just Panthers fans. There were Leaf fans in Leaf jerseys and Leaf jackets coming up to be like, we are so done with this guy. We don't want him.

Can you take him? Please just get him off our squad. I'm like, I know once you guys are guy, we don't want him, can you take him? Please just get him off our squad. I'm like, I know, once you guys are done, like out of the playoffs, he'll have another team, don't worry. They're like, but he thinks he's an ambassador. I'm like, guys, I know. Well, I am, I was given a jacket by the organization.

Like, they literally delivered me a jacket. After last year's All-Star game, they sent me like a bottle of wine with a signed card. Like, I mean mean it's obvious I'm moving the needle in Florida I got the whole fucking building fucking getting on their feet to celebrate me on the fucking Drummer boy stick there Celebrate beating beating you but yeah, I mean, I don't know if they're celebrating you yourself

I think they're celebrating the downfall of you Well anything I can get anything I can do to get the building rocking and sounding remotely like the Yacht Club, it's an honor. It's honestly an honor. That building, I mean, I haven't been to a playoff game in Toronto, but that building was buzzing last night. And I think that it's a tough place to play. But yeah, just for the game,

I thought Wall was unbelievable, like you said, Biz. Last night he was amazing. Even Friday night, he played really well, gives them chances to win. But I don't know something looks wrong with Matthews. I don't think he I don't know if it's his wrist or his hand or something like that. It's it's not looking good for him right now, but they

you just got to give a lot of credit to the Panthers for last night. Gutsy Gutsy win. They held him. I think they had like six shots in the first period or something, you know, low like that. And it was just a great, it was the most Panthers win that they've had this year in playoffs, I think.

The first two games, throw out the window, Bob wasn't great. Last night, I was there in warmups and the box that I was in was right behind the goal. And like you said, Biz, like when he's seeing things in, like even in warmups, I was going to text Murlz and be like, I take the under on, for Bob. You could see it?

He was feeling it? Yeah, you could see it. He was just making say, even, you know, playing the puck the way he was making passes. So I thought he was amazing. And I think it's a scary, scary time for you as a Leafs fan for Bob to get hot like this. Cause if he's doing it, even half as good on the road,

it's gonna be crazy. Well, Whit tweeted out, I mean, he had PTSD. It felt like that last game where they went Anaconda choke hold. I was actually talking about when they had it in the corner for 40 seconds. Yeah. I thought the same thing when I saw that.

I literally, I started... Oh, you twitched. I was twitching. I'm like, this is... McDavid was all alone in front, game seven. Am I making this about the Oilers? Yes. But they get it in the corner. Like somebody just needs to come in and try to run whoever's pinching. Was it Mikola? I think it was Mikola. He's a monster. Oh yeah. And I'm like, oh my God. Now, for the Leafs, I was thinking,

just get one pass, Bob. Once they made it two-nothing, and the game's kind of, the 50 seconds up, it's like, you're not probably winning this game or tying it up, but at least beat them, because now it's like, oh, I'm Superman again. I'm Bob. Nobody can score on me.

My team are a bunch of mutants. And Biz, I wanna quickly go to the core five Yeah Matthews has played nine games in the second round in his career. He doesn't have a goal, right? Yeah, that's that's a concern and monitor Marner didn't have a shot on net in for like turning. Ah, I don't even know if Marner had a shot on net in Florida. That's concerning. I don't even know if Marner had a shot on net the game prior. He did have the assist when he just sifted one through on the powerplay that was

tipped. So obviously it's not considered his shot, but I don't believe he had a game of a shot in game three either. And no, since you're teeing me up for the core five, I want to go back to game three, right? And I talked about this on the broadcast. And as special and talented as Mitch can be, especially come playoff time on the power play, I would say maybe even so much in the Ottawa series,

but definitely this series. I feel that five on five, he's not nearly as much of a factor when they're playing against teams of this caliber. Like if you're just watching and you're watching the game, about like, you watch Nye's play, like he'll take the puck from his own end,

get it to the other end and like, you know, like create a cycle on his own and create some sustained pressure where he has like shifts of where he dominates five on five. You know, a guy who's still on his entry level contract here we're talking about. Not a guy making 11, 11 and a half million dollars. So the game was three one.

They give up that three two goal in game three, okay? You know what? Shit, lost a little bit of momentum, the crowd's now into it. I'm Craig Berube. I'm gonna throw over the players that are making the big money and the guys that we trust Okay, and this is why sometimes I have an easier time giving it to Marner than I do Matthews

So the place starts out it goes in the D zone. It goes D to D Matthews comes low and slow He's in perfect perfect situation gets a pass It might even be a little bit far But he cradles it is on hishand, gets it to his forehand, and zips one to Marner cross-ice, perfectly on the tape for him to skate into, and he's got tons of time and space. Well, as Marner enters the offensive zone,

it's clear that Florida's gonna have back pressure, and they have two D that are holding a pretty good gap. So it's essentially a one-on-four before Matthews, who went low and slow, can come and support him as he's getting into the offensive zone. pretty good gap. So it's essentially a one on four before Matthews who went low and slow can come and support him as he's getting into the offensive zone. What does Marner do with that puck?

That'd be a turnover. That would be a behind the back, no look pass to who he thinks Matthews coming up, turnover, going back the other way. So there's so many things I'm fucking rattled about in this situation and if I was a coach, I would be in the locker room and my fucking head would explode

because you're trying to stop their momentum. This is a big shift after they just scored a goal and you need to manage the puck properly, not only because you just need to fucking manage the puck properly, but also because your defense who have been lugging a lot of the mail and taking a lot of fucking punishment, including Chris Tanev, who's taken now 80 hits

as a defenseman in these playoffs, 25, 30 more than the next guy, Morgan Riley's taken about 50 as well, maybe alleviate pressure from your fucking defenseman for one shift and go get a fucking sustained shift five on five in the Ozone. No, so you turn it over. So it goes back to the Dzone,

and then another time it ends up going D to D, and then it goes to Marner on the far side wall, and obviously he's not gonna have the wheels to get the puck out of the zone. He always punts it or makes it somebody else's problem. So Benoit notices that there's nobody on that side so he charges there to get that puck off the line. He's trying to force that puck out of the zone which he is successful at. So JT and there's a scrum on the strong side. Now

because Marner once again he flipped it out near the blue line didn't get it out but thanks to Benoit got out he's following the playoff ice. He's the safety valve on the strong side as the defenseman because Benoit just went to clean up your fucking dirty work. What the fuck does Mitch Marner do as there's a battle going on with no possession? What does he do? What did he do?

He just peeled off to the far boards. He peeled off? Before they got it, as he peeled off, I go, where's he going, where's he going, where's he going? Where the fuck's he going? Where the fuck is he going? Where the fuck are you going? I didn't even stay there.

Hey, if you think you're worth 13, 14 million dollars in free agency and you don't have the hockey sense of hopping over the board when it's three, two for your team and they just scored and you're trying to stop the bleeding and then you go the fucking turnover one on four at the far blue and then now all of a sudden you make it your teammates problem at the blue line and you can't even fucking become a safety valve for them on the strong side and not only do you wait for the battle, you don't wait for the battle to finish on the strong side, you look away from it and

peel off as if though you're even gonna go change or maybe if they end up winning the battle for you, they can zip another one to you so you can fucking turn it over. He's fucked. Then he didn't back check. Then he didn't fucking back check. He could've solved it all if he came back hard,

which a normal hockey player would do when they make a mistake. For Hagee? It's like, oh, yeah, oh, I see, cause when Bennett slid it over, he could have got back. I know. I know. He didn't take a stride from the blue line.

And you know what? He probably was thinking about going for a change cause he was tired. Cause I think by the time they put the puck in the back of that, he was out there for close to a minute and a half. So extended shift turnover at the far blue line, no look behind the back pass, making it your teammates problem inside the blue, not becoming the safety valve when it's clear that you just made it your strong side defense man's problem and you're the guy who's supposed to be covering.

Fucking Selkie, all I keep seeing Leaf fans like, oh, he should be nominated for the Selkie. Selkie my fucking dick. All right? Selkie my fucking dick. And people are like, oh, you're picking on him. You're picking on him. You're picking on him. What do mean? I'm fucking picking on them I'm just saying if you want fucking twelve million dollars in free agency. I want to see you doing shit that me go

Rantanen is doing doesn't forget that Sorry Keith go ahead, but do you think I'm picking on him or I'm not being blatantly honest Keith About what the fuck happened in that situation? 100% being honest, but my question to you is, are you taking him out of the core four and putting Knives in it and keeping it core four or are you keeping it five? That isn't even a fucking question.

You know why I am, Keith? Because at the end of the game when Max Domi ended up running Barkov from behind to send a message for game five, Matthew Kachuk was on the bench. And he fucking was keeled over the boards, looking at the Toronto Maple Leafs bench, and he had a stick out, and he says, I'm gonna get you, I'm gonna get you,

talking to William Nylander. Who was the guy? We know what happened the last time somebody hit Barkov. Hey, I, buddy, you're preaching to the choir. Who was the guy behind William Nylander going back at Matthew Kachuk? It was Matthew Nyes. He goes, oh yeah, what are you going to do when I'm out there? Oh yeah, what are you going to do when I'm out there?

So do I. Put him in a core four. I would give him 14 million in a split second before I gave it to Mitch Marner. And once again, there's still three games left and I still believe that he can figure things out and get it done, because I have belief, but I ain't fucking wrong here in saying that you're a leader on this team,

you're wearing a letter on your jersey, we're putting you over the fucking wall for a reason. And you're a guy who commands a lot of money on this team so we can't plug other holes. So plug that fucking hole on the strong side, boy. And for the novice hockey people out there, this all goes down in the second period. And every single coach, every intermission before the second period, the coach says, we've got the long change, forwards, be smart, manage the puck, get it deep so our D can

get off. So it's just a, it's an unfathomable mistake on that first one where he does that when the guys have been out there, you got to take care of your D and get the puck deep. Agreed, Murr. Agreed. And going into last night, we're talking their best players and you cannot win

without your best players dominating. Like every single Stanley Cup champ, the best players on the team perform the best. And Nylander has the puck in the neutral zone. Put the puck in the zone. There is zero reason in game four to try making that pass. It's one nothing, it's a miracle that it's one nothing. Somehow. I know, it should've been six nothing. It's a miracle that it's one nothing. Somehow. It should have been six nothing. Wal was so good in the first.

I told my dad, I said, I think Florida is going to win five one. And through two periods, I'm like, they should be up five nothing. But somehow you're alive. And I was tweeting Teddy KGB hanging around, hanging around. I'm like, there might get one here. Like if they tie it up, bud and Neal ander just, why are you turning the puck over there? And Bennett's gone. And Bennett takes off and he makes it.

To be fair on Nylander, like I think that he's probably been their best overall, between him and I, he's like, he's done so much positive that it's hard for me to rag on him negatively. Also, tough situation on that two on one because I thought that Tanev played it perfectly. You're talking about the one where Bennett goes down and scores, correct? Yes. Talking about how they got the two on one. Correct. Yeah, far blue line, tough turnover, brutal. Sam Bennett, folks, he's gonna be wearing a

Toronto Maple Leaf jersey next year. We're gonna be offering him a nice contract with that money that we saved on maybe not handing through over other people But on the two-on-one tan of plays it perfect kind of angles it where he ends up taking away the backdoor pass And he's pointing to McCabe You know grab Bennett grab Bennett And I think that McCabe was just tired was putting his head down not seeing him point And then by the time the goal ends up going in the net you got you got McCabe and fucking and Tana right next to each other bumping into each other and Sam the Bennett menace with just that patience pull

around and that sealed the deal so hey man credit to credit to Florida like that game for that was men versus boys that one there's no contest they could have they could have sealed this up in game three they could have made this a three nothing series very easily they let it slip from their fingers, and when you're playing a team like Florida, you can't give them life. Just the way I would tell you that when you're the Edmonton Oilers, you can't give

the Vegas Golden Knights life. You can't make that play in the dying seconds and get it put in the back of your net. Biz, watching them live, being at the game, every single, and you mentioned it, the D getting hit, every single guy finishes their check, and you don't see it at the other end. You see pucks go down and D aren't getting hit.

It doesn't, like, Carter Verheggie isn't a physical guy for 82 games of the season. Once playoff starts, he is finishing every single check. He skates faster than 90% of the league, and is finishing every single check. He skates faster than 90% of the league and he finishes every single check. Barkov finishes every single check. It's not just the rats out there that are finishing, it's every single guy and it's fun to watch.

I mean, it gets the crowd into it, especially at home. It gets the team into it. It's very impressive what they, how everyone kind of just checks their egos at the door and the way that they play and play off. Well, I'll ask Yans and Witt, I mean, girls, you weren't a D-Man, but I'm sure you talked to your D-Man, we're on teams who are facing

a lot of punishment. Game five, six, and seven of a series, if you're playing a team like Florida, how you feeling about continuing to go back for pucks and getting fucking run through the end wall, you guys? It's brutal. And it's and with Florida, that was the most Florida last year I've seen them like that was that was exactly how they won the cup game game four. Like it was I was like, oh shit. And it wasn't just Bob looking like him again. It was just overall the physicality. Bennett, Bennett, the pass he made in game three to Verheggie.

Then the move he makes in game four. The Corey Perry move. Runs Ekman Larson over. His old teammate, and Leafs fans, like he's trying to take out another goalie. No, whistle blows and I'm just gonna bury my former teammate and just embarrass him. That's where, like, for instance,

like the Dolmi play, it's like, this is, there's there's some baggery going on both sides now. Like I think that Florida started early on the series with obviously getting to the goalie. We saw the black elbow on wall. I sent it to the group chat like that bump, Oliver Ekman Larson getting thrown on wall from Bennett. Like there's there's dirt bag, greaseball shit now going on in both ends, like there's gonna be no friends lost here. No, God no. And the-

Hitting from behind is a little different though. The Domi hit, the Domi hit was, that's, I don't, do you think he gets suspended? I don't. I don't think they suspend him. I bet Florida says don't suspend him. I don't care. No, I don't-

Did you guys- They'd rather have a chance to take them out. Who's number seven again for them on D? Is it Kulikov? Kulikov, Kulikov. Yeah, Kulikov. Did you see the elbow to the head on Marner by the bench? Yep, yep. We're talking scumbaggery on both sides.

So you're all, Domi is like, ah, Kulikov's trying to take his fucking head off. And he made contact. So no call there. You know, Domi gets what he gets. But like, there's so much fucking hatred in this series now. It's a best of three. And that's why I love it.

I think we could snap around a little bit more love to a few more Florida Panthers. Rodriguez, yeah, maybe a little bit of embellishment on the one the game before, when he throws his stick. Obviously takes a big hit from Oliver Ekman-Larson without seeing it, not gonna bitch about that one, but he has been so noticeable. I thought he was flying in game four,

the plays that he was making, the one shift bank pass to himself when he set up Reinhardt, like that scoring chance they had. Like who are some other Florida Panthers that have really stuck out to you guys that deserve some stick tops and love I Think Marshawn's look better. He's looked better the last couple games

Not just cuz my 55 to 1 ot winner, but he seems to be getting there and I watched your interview on him He was talking how you know he got here. He didn't feel too comfortable, but then the last couple games He started to feel more comfortable and just as it gets closer and closer, he's getting better and better and better. So I mean, he used to be the number one guy if it was the Bruins and he's not even talked about, fifth or sixth maybe on this team. Yeah, you had a chance to talk to him after the game,

the birthday boy? Yeah, I just wanted to go down and wish my old teammate a happy birthday and just two guys that really despise you right now. So it was great. It was great to see him. That whole, that whole line, that third line Murr, that's, that's gotta be the best third line in hockey right now. Like they are, they look like they've been playing together for so long.

And like you said about Marchie being a captain, being the guy in Boston, same thing with him. He's checked his ego at the door and he is playing the role of a third line guy, but he is coming up big. You can just tell too, even on the bench, he was miked up the other day, just like talking, getting the guys going.

So his presence on the bench, I'm sure is just as good as it is on the ice, but that whole third line, Lusterine and Lundell have been so good, two guys too that finish every check, they get in the ice, but that whole third line, Luz, Dereine and Lundell have been so good, two guys too, that finish every check. They get in the zone. They're not trying to make backhand passes through the neutral zone. They're getting it in, getting their hits on their big dogs and wearing them down.

You're going to see it now. You've got game five, six, and seven coming up. Their D, you want to go back and like you said, you're going to have your head on a swivel. But the thing with those guys, I think they're okay with taking the hits. Like Chris Tanev is a straight up warrior. This guy. He made a play.

He made a play last night on the penalty kill in the first period. Do you remember that play? Protects the puck, beats a guy with a turn and then doesn't just rip it off the glass, makes a beautiful pass. They almost ended up getting a chance. Short-handed. That was like something for me. I the glass, makes a beautiful pass. They almost ended up getting a chance short-handed. That was like something for me. I'm like, this guy's unbelievable.

It's not without the puck either. He is so calm with it as well. I have no problem with Toronto's defense. I think every defense, was it game three or four, who did Benoit murder behind the net? I think it was last night. I think it was game four. Crushed so much.

Reinhardt. Yeah, they're, they have been great. I agree with you. I said, yeah. It's your star forwards that have to be better. And I, yeah, that hit at the end of the game by Domi, it's exactly something Florida would do. That's kind of how I looked at it.

Like I don't love the hit, particularly cause you know, you know, he knew exactly what he was doing. The game was over and he runs at him and from behind near the boards, it's scary. But I'm like the Panthers would do that. So I almost respect it a little bit based on the Leafs just saying fuck this. Like so the biz you said it scumbag series. Like people might be like, Oh my God, I can't believe they're saying that. Like I would never throw that. I would not do that. But like you just said, like desperate times call

for desperate measures. End of the game where you lay an egg like that. There has to be something that like ignites the group in a sense of like fuckery that Florida would do. They would do that to ignite their own group. So why wouldn't you do what they would do? They've been they've been doing it since the start of the series like that's the scumbagry You need to match that in playoffs and here we are

So Matthew Kachuk turning over to Nylander and he's like I'm gonna get you I'm gonna get you Now if he were to do something to him, I believe that would add games on games to a suspension. $2,500 fine. You're like, we have the video proof. That's premeditated, Matthew. We saw you saying you're going to get it. So maybe it's just a little bit of trying to psych them out a little bit, but they should

start doing true crime podcast for the NHL Just like premeditated guys like threatening guys beforehand get Kirkman a hand on it. I can't wait I don't know if the two days off between game four and five helps the Leafs based on Just that market now None of these guys are listening to any of the nonsense that we are or sports radios talking about. But maybe it's a good thing. Maybe you get to just get away that extra day. Maybe Matthews gets a little more rest, whatever he's battling.

But if he doesn't score, you're not gonna win. I mean, it kinda sucks to look at it as a Leafs fan that way, but your best player doesn't have a goal in the series. Berhagy scoring, Bennett scoring, their best players are. So we'll see what happens. Game five, what would that be? Wednesday night.

Can I, that goal Barkov scored, game, what was it, three? When he hit that? He didn't hit that, it was Morgan Reilly who put it in his own net. I think Reilly had three goals that game technically. Yeah, he had three goals. Two of them were on his own net. The one with Marchie, I mean,

hey, like fucking mixer, mixer, mixer, Merle. Mixer, mixer, mixer. It's the season of the mixer for sure. Own goals, tip goals, it's incredible. Gotta get the t-shirts back, G. Wait, you mentioned the mix, I mean, game five there. Biz, I'm hearing some rumors You could be doing something completely different for game five here boys. I'm gonna be

I'm gonna be going home for game five going back to Ontario Wow Now it's on the ground. Is there a drum you could beat with Keith's face on it? No, I think that might change this up. No, I'm going to go back home to Welland, Ontario, where I grew up. Watch where I came. Where I fell in love with the game of hockey, and where I started becoming a Leafs fan. And I'm going to go back to a very special place, my good

luck place, and I'm going to watch that game, and watch the boys to a game five victory. I'm very confident they're going gonna take it down at home. It's gonna be a big wake up call. And just like when Florida last year in the Stanley Cup finals was leaking oil and they lost three in a row to the oil and they were going back home,

they got the two days off to reset. Leafs will do so. They're going home. Leafs are going to Cancun. Stop. You should watch it with all Paul's that your sister have ever dated. Just get a big group of Paul's and just watch the game and just root on the Leafs. Just a Paul fest.

I can't wait to see you there. And maybe well, I actually had somebody text me the outfits for the Leafs game you're rocking on TNT. The guy said, he's busy on a bender right now. He said, he's sober. He's sober. And that's how he looks. He's got a yellow shirt, he's got a, I believe,

what is your pocket square, is that a Maple Leaf? That's a Maple Leaf. That's a Maple Leaf? And you have the tie undone and the ambassador jacket. Maybe it's time for a wardrobe switch up I don't know. Well another thing too. We got coming out Snoop Dogg he wanted to collaborate with him and his team my boy Kevin Oh

Death row hockey and obviously instead of the Toronto Maple Leaf We have the weed leaf the hemp leaf right in the middle of the crest there and And you gotta believe, you gotta believe. So this will be dropping in the next couple of days and pretty cool. We get to collaborate with Snoop Dogg and hopefully if the Leafs pull off a game five win, he'll join us, come on the pod, give us a little raw raw speech to close thing out in sunrise.

So- Where are you watching the game, Biz? I'm not telling you. You'll probably have your fucking cronies from Boston go fucking bomb the joint. No, none of them have passports. What's that? None of them have passports, you're good.

Murlz, before we move on. Oh, I was gonna ask you, did it feel pretty cool to like do that and then you're buzzing around the rink and everybody's patting you on the back and they got the juices flowing and sharing in your guys hate for me. Did it feel good? Yeah, that's what I do.

I just, I do it for the clout. No, it was great. Saw a ton of good people. Saw Wayne talk, Walt Kachuck, you know, Thority. It was great. Obviously it's great to be back.

I don't go to a ton of games, but it's always fun to go back and that Panther Bar, everyone's been there. They just do such a great job at those games. The Violas have fun to go back. And that Panther bar, everyone's been there. They just do such a great job at those games. The Violas have really turned that around. Doug Sifo, it's been amazing. It was great to be back, yeah. And with everyone hating you, it was even better.

What's Walt saying? A lot of our conversation was just how much of an idiot you are. We kind of talked about that for a while. Now he was just dialed into the game. It's so funny. I was kinda standing behind him, just watching him watch his boys. It must be so cool for him.

Like, he's just, you know, obviously he played a million games, he's gonna be a Hall of Famer, but just watching his boys, you just see it's, it's gotta be the coolest thing in the world for him. He's the best. Murr, any weird fun facts about this series you have moving forward? You always got something like weird and crazy to say at the end.

Well, Biz, I wanted to explain. Oh, I have Murls explain. You put out in a second period, Marsha. I think it was three to one Marsha over time, 55 to one, and you hit it. Maybe the biggest winner odds wise you've ever given out. Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. He had chances early on in the game and ones that he always buries.

So I was just like, I know he's going to get one at some point. And I could just, like Florida's not going down three nothing. I know how much Biz and him have had their little fun war all year long on TNT. And it just came to me like, if this ends, if it gets to OT, it's gonna be Marsha. That's who it's gonna be. It's gotta be him.

And did it and everybody got in. Everybody made a ton of money. Messages, messages I got from all over the world were incredible. So it really got out there, it was good. I took another shot last night and it lost. So I'm one for two on those. I think I'll put that in my back pocket now,

but you know, I should have probably left it one for one, but that was sick. A fun stat and try to tell you guys to keep your team out of the beach. Leafs are now 0 and 6, their last 6 in Florida, I believe. So whatever they're doing down there, Biz, you've got to change the routine. I gotta get, maybe they gotta stay in Orlando or something.

Go visit Mickey Mouse, stay on the other side of the state. Murl, you're talking like your mother Teresa getting messages from all over the world and people thanking you for what you've done for their families and paying off their mortgages. It's unbelievable. Yeah, that was just the sickest night. I hit two other goal scores that night.

I hit some first periods. I'm hitting the world championships up that are going on in Stockholm and Denmark. It's been a good weekend. Do you think the housework and the yard work has elevated your brain in order to make these smooth picks? I think it's the hockey gods. I'm doing all these good deeds.

I was over helping the community pull out, trying to get that back and running. So it's just the good deeds. The hockey gods are paying me back. What'd you do? Put chlorine in it? What do you mean? It's open three weeks a year.

Ripping up weeds, power washing stuff, all that kind of stuff. Murl's kid took a dump in it, so he had to fucking fish it out. Baby's actually a baby Ruth. Patty shack. Yeah. I mean, Marles, you've been doing amazing things in the gambling space. Great job. But now, before we talk about my hatred for you, I need to talk about game time.

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and you get $20 off, what time is it, game time! Download the app now. So guys, I had a panic attack Saturday night. Pah, that was. That was one of, now let me say, as I dogged Carolina Washington, the Oilers Playoff games, I'm gonna keep saying it, are some of the most must-watch TV in sports history. I don't care what sport we're talking about.

You could talk about cricket. Those games go on for like 25 hours I've been told. Oilers playoff hockey is just, it's exhausting. It's a roller coaster of emotions. You're up, you're down, and we had a chance. We had a chance to bury him. We had a chance to bury Murals. We had a chance to bury Vegas. Insider, everything about Vegas. They were gonna be done. And what happened? Corey Perry. Corey Perry starts that game. The oldest oiler in franchise history

to have a multi-goal game. I believe he turns 40 in the next month or so. Or it might be this week. 10 days, yeah. I think it's next week. 10 days, this guy's gonna turn 40. First he comes in and he has that little push of the puck. I think Juice, BXO was talking about, his shot's not turn 40. First he comes in and he has that little push of the puck. I think Juice, BXO was talking about,

his shot's not that hard. He was saying it on the, I saw a clip, it's just about the release and it's about pushing it that extra inch. Similar to the way Matthews has scored so many goals in his career in the regular season, about just changing the angle. And Perry buries the first one.

And then he gets a tip-in goal where he's done all his dirty work for what seems to be 20 years and it's two, nothing. And we're laughing. Well, same thing, guys. You let the game go, you let the game go and you give up two goals in a minute. Riley Smith, I mean, he looks like Riley Smith when they won the cup. That is not good to see.

We'll get to his second goal in a little bit. But he makes it a tie game and it's like, fuck that lead. And no lead is safe, guys. No lead in these playoffs matters. It doesn't even matter. If you go up two to nothing early, it's almost like I don't even know

if I want to be up this early. You know that Vegas has come. I remember at the point I sent out the tweet, like nobody had done it. For the first like week and a half, nobody come back from a multi-goal deficit. Now nobody can keep a multi-goal lead. No, they can't.

And I mean, dude, to have Pickard be out, it was like, oh my god. Like, what this guy has done, and what we've seen him winning six games in a row, it's like, we do not need this guy being injured, and sure as shit, I don't think Hurdle's play was dirty, I think it was kind of fluky, but he finishes the game, and they get the win, and all right, but then we find out he's not playing,

and in comes Skinner. And this guy just can't catch a break. He really can't. And I think a lot of it's on him, but a lot of it now is just bad luck. I mean, you have a guy who led you to Game 7 in the Stanley Cup final. Can't get a win in the playoffs. He's 0-3. He's 0-3. But you know what? After Carlson scored, and you wanna talk about bad plays by core players on Florida,

that third goal William Carlson scored to make it 3-2, that is a change that you cannot have happen in Pee-wee hockey, let alone the NHL game three of the second round. You have three guys blow the zone and change, like it doesn't matter how tired you are. I think Leon changed, one of the defensemen changed, I don't know who else. And Carlson, who was the, I think the best player in this game. It wasn't just about the play with eight seconds left.

That guy is an animal out there. He's always moving, he's so good defensively, and he makes a beautiful play. But they shouldn't have had that, it was like a four on two, right? Like you can't have that happen. And it was with about two minutes left in the second period, and oh shit, well you know what? I knew they'd tie it up. I knew they would, that's Oilers hockey, that's McDavid,

and I think the save Hill made on McDavid before he tied it up was his best save of the series. It was robbery, and after that happened, I believe there was a five minutes ago, I said shit, I don't know. If he's making those saves, it was robbery. And after that happened, I believe there was a five minutes ago, I said, shit, I don't know if he's making those saves, it might not happen, but doesn't matter. We tied it up. You never stop playing though, boys, do you?

You can't stop playing. And I admit as a fan, Carlson got the puck with eight seconds, nine seconds to go in his own zone. It's like, he's going to run it out. Everyone from Vegas changed except for him. And what did he do? He got his motor going. And four Oilers players, one on four, couldn't stop it.

And I think it started with McDavid, who was backtracking 45 miles an hour and kinda just let up. Don't really know why. Probably because he's thinking, as every other person's thinking, that he's just gonna chip it in and we're going to OT mind you I wanted ot so bad. I

Everybody's oh, I had just set up my Mother's Day little presentation for the kitchen. I got three balloons Mom I taped them to the ceiling. I Swizzle on a swivel chair I was standing on a swivel chair. I almost broke my back, taping up the M.O.M. And then I had another one, world's greatest mom. And then I had the flowers and I had a card. I had Ryder make a card and I was done. And I was ready for OT.

And no, the Mother's Day massacre of 2025, Mother's Day was ruined. I didn't even say happy Mother's Day to my wife. Seriously, we woke up in the morning and she said, good morning honey, I said, fuck. There's your fucking balloons. Go downstairs, look at what I did for you. How lucky were you to have me as a husband?

Wednesday Father's Day, the Oilers lost Mother's Day massacre. But I'll tell you this about Skinner, I say some bad breaks. That was so bad. And I've seen a lot of people say, how are you blaming Skinner? I'm not blaming Skinner.

But he, when the goal went in, go look at the replay and press pause. He is changing. He is outside. He was on the course getting popcorn. He's farther away than the end of the trapezoid line on the other side of the goal line facing the corner. I mean, if the puck goes in.

He was stuck in the camera hole. Why did he do that? Why did he, now tell me goalie people out there, gee, tell me what the chat's saying. You slide once, I get it. Why don't you just stay on the post? Why keep sliding? Why keep sliding over?

I don't understand. And this has nothing to do with the fact that those four Oilers players stopped. I think it was Kulak didn't go stick on stick. All he had to do was go stick on stick. McDavid stopped backtracking. He had to challenge the shooter since his team didn't. Dude, he challenges him once by coming out

and sliding over to the right. He slid over three more times. Yeah, he pumped his left leg probably like three or four times. Like he kept pushing out. And when you're pushing out like that, you can't really, you can't change your angle from going laterally to like close it off essentially

on that post, right? Like the farther you are away from it, you can't close it off. So yeah, that was probably just a chirp, but yeah, tons of breakdowns on that play, as you mentioned. Like you can literally point to every guy on the ice and say, you know, I think it was McDavid and Darnell Nurse over back checking.

Darnell Nurse once again leaving his feet at the wrong time, which is kind of a common theme in a sense. Yeah, and then just, it's a fucking lesson to be learned for any kid who was watching that game. Don't stop playing till the end of the whistle. That's it. Point is simple.

And like you said, Carlson was an absolute fucking beast. Like, like it's, it found, it seems like the original misfits are the ones who are kind of keeping their life alive right now. Because like you said, Riley Smith, he looks exactly like he did on his first tenure there. And then Carlson was probably their best player on the ice. Don't know if they could win this series if stone doesn't come back, especially because of how good he's been in the net front for their power play he's a defensive wizard murals like do they have any chance if he's not back I don't know I I kind of liked when he went out they they shuffled the lines a bit and they so they have the two big guys colas are and Roy and they had them

split up finally so there was a little muscle on all the lines which I really like so even if Stone does come back I hope they kind of use that system because I I thought they had all the pressure on them once those lines got thrown in the blender but another another coaching moment on that goal on the offensive side it wasn't just a hope play Carlson didn't just throw it blind if you watch watch it, he does the shoulder check. So young kids at home, before you get to the puck, you gotta be shoulder checking. He shoulder checks, he sees that Smith's the only one that can get through it. He flips it out there.

It's in the net. And that's the only way to beat the Oilers. You have to score with 0.4 seconds left. Otherwise, McDavid and Dreisaitl are going to come back and shove it in their net. On that note, I will never bet against the Oilers. Once this Futures is done, I will never bet against the Oilers again in any fashion because it is too much anxiety when McDavid grabs it behind the net and just starts going crazy. I can't handle it anymore.

I actually wrote down on my note. When they have the D fired up to the wing, and as the D's firing it up, you see McDavid loop low, and then you know the wing's getting it to, that's my most exciting moment in hockey. When you see McDavid swoop down low and it fires up to the boards, and then you know they're getting it to him, I just sit up every time. And as I talked about Matthews, this is not even close to him with like, I just sit up every time. And as I talked about Matthews, this is not even close to him with Leon,

because what Leon's done in the playoffs, we've talked about it, it's game changing, it's hockey history-like, what he's able to do. Leon right now, especially in that game, that was not, not what we're used to seeing. He missed that goal late in the game, they ended up tying it up anyways, he always buries that.

Now granted, not many people can, but he missed the net there. A lot of times he's protecting the puck as well as he ever has, but then instead of it being a perfect pass through a seam to somebody, it's kind of just like a lazy hope play in a way, and all, not all, but most of his passes are getting picked off.

I expect an enormous game out of him tonight. I think he's going to answer. I don't know if he's battling anything. He doesn't look like himself, though. So you're going to need more out of him. But I expect it to come. It's not like a worry with the Leafs and their big guns like will they ever bring it? This guy will and has.

But in game three, I think even he would say, like, I gotta be much better. Pickard's out again, so we're going back to Skinner. The roller coaster continues, the guy just needs a win. He has to get a win. Like, at some point, what are you gonna do? Like, you need this guy to get a win, because if Pickard can't go tonight, what's the say he can go game five?

That's how I'm looking. I think this is Skinner's net now. Yeah, I got a question for you. So obviously you probably hated the first one where it was right to the blocker, thought it was behind him, look behind him, let it go, and then it's in the back of the net. I think Roy scored that one.

Yeah, and nobody was near him in front. He's uncovered. Is that one and the last one the only ones that you're not happy with Did you were you okay with the Carlson one? It was a give-and-go and it was kind of fast off his blade not crazy about where it went in I think it was low glove on the strong side What did you make from a fan standpoint and somebody who probably wasn't crazy about that last one not crazy with the first one It wants Picardinette,

what do you make of his post-game scrum, where he's like, yeah, you know, I gotta give my team a chance to win, and I thought I did that. Like, do you- I don't hate it. I don't hate it. You're okay, all right.

What did Kujo say on Friday? He said, never take the blame. Never take the blame. And if this guy has a chance of getting a win in the playoffs, he doesn't have a win. What's he going to do? Come out and just like totally like blame himself and say how bad he played that that final goal. It's like he did give his team a chance to win. I don't hate that at all. And some people were upset, like, I want ownership.

It's like, dude, the guy hasn't won a game yet. Some people were upset, like, I want ownership. It's like, dude, the guy hasn't won a game yet. Let's try to have at least him believe in himself. Because he has to understand that, like, the entire fan base is like, oh my god, Skinner's in that. I thought Edmonton fans were normally a little bit more lenient and supportive. I was actually shocked to see the amount of, like,

outpouring of negativity in the comments under the clip. I think it's just not having a win. And those first two games in LA were a nightmare, and then he comes in, and that goal just doesn't look great. And it wasn't just him, it was everyone. But the fans have kind of had enough of their starting goalie not being able to get them a W, right? Yeah, that's fair.

Fair or unfair? That's fair. It's like, you're in net and we lose. That's just kind of what it comes down to. So it'd be time to shave the mustache for him. I don't know, I know. Tonight is, tonight, tonight's scary. Now we'll see if Stone plays. I think Leon's gonna be better, but once again,

Skinner's in net and the roller coaster ride will continue at 9.50. It says 9. And the roller coaster ride will continue at 9.50. It says 9.30, but the game will start at 9.50, and then there we go. I'll just be sitting there in a full, I mean, I need to put on one of those heart rate monitors during these games. I don't wanna go up to nothing early.

I'm sorry. I don't want. We need to get you another whoop bracelet. You know who was probably sweating when McDavid tied that game up though? Gary. Gary. I think Gary hates me.

He hasn't responded. He hasn't responded to a text. The thumb has a smiley face today. Not an upside down frown, a smiley face. Gary. Gary's happy. smiley face. Gary. Gary's happy. Gary's happy. Gary's very happy.

I just don't, I just don't, I don't see Edmonton losing this game though. As scared as I am, they're gonna lose both at home? I don't think so. I don't think it's gonna happen. We'll see if Stone goes. I love a Vander Cane's game so far. He is running people over.

Did you see how many buttons he had undone in this pregame interview? No. Oh, but he like literally had his shirt down to his belly button after driving in at home in the new Ferrari SUV. So he's just on like a whip tour right now where he's sampling the goods.

He's got the rolls rolling. How is there even one of those cars in Alberta? I have no idea. And I don't know what exactly is going on with his financials. I remember a report a couple years ago about him owing some money. I don't know if you wanna be pulling up

in half a million dollar cars if there's financial worries in your life, but I don't think he gives a fuck. I really don't think he cares. No, creditors can't be pleased watching those clips. His accountant is like, yeah, give me a wool bracelet. What's going on right now? But great series so far. I mean, it's, it, Ikel's been amazing too. Ikel is, is, is doing his thing. No surprise there, but I can't wait for tonight guys.

The excitement and biz you texted the group, the ups and downs of playoff hockey. Holy shit. How about this stat too? Leon Dreisaitl from Connor McDavid and Corey Perry in game two. The first overtime goal in NHL history featuring three players who had previously won the MVP trophy, the heart trophy for MVP. So that's kind of crazy. That's where we're at.

I don't know, Oilers fans, let me know, what's your confidence level at? Skinner, Skinner, can the guy get a dub? Me versus Murr. I don't know. What do you think Murr? Yeah, what do you see a dub? Me versus Murr. I don't know, what do you think Murr? Yeah, what do you see Murr? I feel good, I feel good. I was worried Saturday night at home,

the beers were flowing, you see how crazy those oilers were. I was thinking about that, like home ice advantage, it kinda depends on which night, like you see Monday night in Toronto, it can be quiet, but if it's Saturday night, everybody's booze and all day. It was crazy in there. That was Skinner's first home

game of the playoffs. So I thought that was that was going to be a good thing for him. I was I was really scared as a Vegas guy. But after that game, I liked I'm telling you, I liked when the lines got shuffled up there. I need those big bodies in there playing panther style where you're banging bodies and then getting the skilled guys get the loose pucks. The guy Dorofiev came back, he was our leading goal scorer. A lot of people don't know that. He was injured the first two games of the series.

He's back, he's only gonna be better tonight. Hopefully Stone can come in and play, you know, even if he plays limited minutes. I don't know if it was a head injury or the wrist I was worried about it. I was worried about him. It looked like when Patty maroon got a Vander Cain, didn't it? With his arm out like that it and everybody's been tight-lipped. Obviously, it's playoff time But you know, he gets up and skates off on his own. So that was good But then the guy like him the Manitoba maniac doesn't come back.

It's usually something serious, but I was happy McNabb was back, that was huge. Their trainer. Yeah. Oh yeah, so, Murzy, Murzy, he was my trainer in Manchester when we won it, the Calder Cup. Oh, you guys won it, you guys won the Calder Cup? We won the Calder Cup, we just had our 10 year anniversary

this past year in LA, you were there. Oh, that's right. We won the call their cup. We just had our 10 year anniversary this past year in LA. I, you were there. Oh, that's right. It's remember it was the same when they did that. The charity game for the LA fires, but Murzy, awesome guy, beauty. He's been in Vegas since the beginning. He texted me after, can we pull up those pictures? I sent you G.

I think I sent them to you on last night. Well, he ended up getting zippers up top and then he sent a picture with him and Hurdle where he's got a hockey helmet on. He goes, we've made up now. And I'm sure that he had to get him a few steak dinners or at least a nice gift card for that fucking nonsense. I think a Rolex is on the way.

Wow. Yeah, it should be a Rolex. Gee, I sent you that picture to the group chat last night. I don't know if you could pull up both of them and put them on here. And Hurtle, lucky for the Oilers, Hurtle's been brutal, Murr. Like I haven't seen much out of him. And then on top of it, oh my God.

Then on top of it, he dummies his own trainer. Yeah. It reminded me of, go ahead. No, he lived on the power play this season in the bumper spot, and now both series teams are taking him away. Oh, there's a great picture. There it is.

Not just the players playing Hurt here, guys. It's the trainers, it's the PR people, like everyone in playoff. The trainer looks more like an NHL player than Hurtle does there. Oh, I know Hurtle. Have you ever seen his interviews, Hurdle? No, he seems like the nicest guy in the world.

Yeah. Like just Larry David's sweater he's got on there. Yeah, I know. It is a tough sweater. But yeah, to finish on him, he's the bumper in all year. They just down the stone into him goal. And during the regular season, the pre-scouting isn't the same. Teams aren't like you just got in late to Vegas you're not really paying attention to the PK meeting and he was living on it but in these two series they're taking him away but that's why Theodore scored a couple and that's why you saw Olson get a couple on the flank so yeah he's not getting his cookies like normal but he's still out there. He drives a line by himself, but that's why I want to see one of those big guys

with him, let them go in and do the dirty work, get it to him. He finds Olson or Dorfeev and we get a, we get two lines of offense. Cause right now Carlson, he's kind of on his own and then Eichel, he's kind of on his own there, but I want to, I want to get hurdles line going. And then we got a real chance because your D can't handle three lines of offense. Outside of Picard for you, Whit, but if there's one guy that you could take out of your lineups

and then put one guy in, who would it be for your teams right now? Like who do you feel maybe you're not getting enough from where you're like, you know what, I think he needs a reset. I'd like to see this guy inserted, and I think that he could help our team win a little bit more. I actually, there's nobody where I'm like,

get this guy out of the lineup, and I think Frederick has turned it on, but I kind of want to see Skinner, the other Skinner, Jeff, get another chance. I mean, over a thousand games regular season, he got one playoff game, and he's been a healthy scratch since. Maybe, I don't know, maybe he gets in the mix.

Like, you know how hungry he'd be when he gets. There we go. Doug Waite, legendary oiler. Is he in tonight? Well, it's only 8 AM out there, so I don't know how he would know that. Well, that's Rick from Riddier's Cousin. People want him in.

Don't fall for the chat, boys. The chat like the rumor boys more than us. No, but no, but I don't, I have our chat up the, the awesome, the pot. I haven't seen there. Gee saying the chat wants them in. So I Jeff Skinner, give him a chance here. He can score, right? Get a little more offense in there.

Frederick's been good, but I, I, if you're looking to make a change and then maybe, uh, maybe Emberson comes out, Stetcher comes back in, that's kind of nitpicking. It's just all about the goalie. Stewart Skinner, boys, can he get a win? And I'm rooting for this guy, fuck, you don't want to see guys get tortured like that by a fan base, I've been there.

I've been eating a steak at Earl's, having somebody tell me how much I stink. I've been there where Stuart Skinner is. I don't want this to continue, and I need them to get a win. And if they go back to Vegas 2-2, we're in one. Before we get to Mike Madonna, oh, he's ready. I didn't know if he was ready yet. So before we get to Mike Madonna,

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This is a guy who's a Stanley Cup champ, hockey hall of famer, a true legend of the game. I don't know where he is right now, but Mike Madono's coming on to join. And we have many questions for him, a lot of them involving one of the most dominant playoff performances we've ever witnessed, and that is Mikko Rontanen. They brought a horse into Dallas.

He wanted to go to Dallas to shove it down Colorado's throat, and now he's doing it to Winnipeg. And for some reason, for some reason, Chris McFarland didn't want to sign the guy. They've been over it. They needed more depth. But as you watch him now, all 6'5", 235 pounds of them, you're just wondering who the hell would ever let him go. You're wondering it so much and wondering like, do I know anything about hockey? Maybe they should have kept him.

I think they should have kept him. And then Nazem Kadri comes into the mix and sent out a tweet. First rule, always keep the dogs. Now I believe he's kind of mentioning himself as a dog, which he is. He was when they won the cup. But it was more about Rontanen with another three points.

I believe at one point he had points in 15 straight Dallas Stars goals, is that true? Mikey Mo! What's up? Look at that tan. 17 out of 20, wasn't it? 17 out of 20? Mo, you did this yourself in the playoffs,

you dominated for years and years. Do you ever remember seeing something like this though, what he's doing now? No. Mario Lemieux did it to us in 91, but that's been a long time ago. That's how dominant it was? And put us to bed in 91 against the North Stars.

But I mean, I haven't seen a run like this. Like you said, the intro, I mean, Colorado, I mean, I haven't seen a run like this. I, like you said, the intro, I mean, Colorado, I mean, I, I had them. At the start of the year penciled in to kind of make the final. I think if they had Ratan and ranting in, you know, obviously there are three big guys and their goaltender, they're good defense. I mean, I don't know. I, to go to Carolina and not want to be there and make it official that he didn't want to go there.

That wasn't one of his spots that he wanted to go to and then they trade him anyways so but to send him back to the central man what a kiss of death i mean he just he's just been a big horse i mean he's just been dominating so and he's got some guys around him i'm like there's no question in dallas is just deep and they just got tons of guys he can play with There's no question in Dallas is just deep and they just got tons of guys you can play with so many so many You know skilled guys and just too much depth there in Dallas I Want to talk about the petrovic goal in game three? I don't know your opinion the the rule is that if you kick the puck no matter what it hits Going into the net it's no goal unless it's, going into the net, it's no goal.

Unless it's one of your teammates that tips it in, then it's just a pass, right? Well, they say if the goalie makes a play on the puck, it's considered a goal. And that's what they deemed it, that he made a play on the puck. Yeah, I think he just deflected it in. I don't know, Mo, you're a Dallas Stars guy,

so I'm guessing which way you mean. Looked like Hellebuck was trying to make a little bit of a save to it, a kick,'t know, Mo, you're a Dallas stars guy. So I, I, I'm guessing which way you've like, look like hella buck was trying to make a little bit of a save to it. I kick, you know, stick and, and leg save. So I mean, there must've been, obviously it was a gray area because they, they mowed that thing over for seven, eight minutes. They didn't know what to do. So, um, you know, so it was, it was tough. I mean, those are, those are backbreakers. But you see that all playoffs long.

You just see bad bounces off guys where you just don't move guys away from the net. There's like, there's no early blockout. Everybody's around the net and you just throw stuff at the net. It was like Minnesota's deal with against Vegas. They just threw stuff at Hill. It just was going off legs, carrying off stuff. And just crazy stuff happens if you don't eliminate guys and, and set. An area around the blue paint and just push these guys away. So at least a goalie can see it, or you don't have an extra set of legs or two that it's going to go off your own guy. Like, uh, like to rod the other night in the Colorado thing.

Um, and you know, so it's just weird things happen if you don't, if you don't make some space for your goalie around that blue. I think it was the Harley goal right beforehand. You see Wyatt Johnson at the other end make that defensive play on Morrissey. Like what can you say about how young this kid is and the impact he's made on his entry level contract? I believe he played all 82 his first three years.

I think that he hit the 30 goal mark every year or close to it. Like he's like a phenom in his own right and probably doesn't get talked enough because he's in Dallas. So what's it been like watching his evolution and continued success even in playoffs? Well, it's just a skill.

I mean, you can see it just kind of just the hands, the quickness, you know, just, you know, the ability for young kids just to come into the league now and just make a sudden, you know, just, you know, the ability for young kids just to come into the lead now and just make a sudden, you know, automatic impact. These kids come from college right into the spring. They played college. They go right to from the frozen four to the playoffs. They make an impact. McCard did that a long time ago with UMass. I mean, it's just the ability for these young kids to come in and make a, you know, a real big statement right off the bat is remarkable.

And the game's changed. So you don't have this four or five year period where you got to get in acclimated. You're trying to get some size and speed to your game to kind of get in. I mean, it's right away these guys come in and Wyatt was one of those guys. Just the skill level, the hands, the quickness, just ability, the poise, the patience. It's really kind of interesting to watch these young kids. But yeah, he's going to he's going to have a hell of a bridge deal coming up

to try to get into his long term deal. But yeah, he's he's kind of the catalyst for a long time coming. But again, he's got just so many weapons around him. You know, he doesn't have to be the main guy. There's eight or nine other guys. He can just kind of go about his business. But I mean, he's scored some big goals. He's made some great plays and, you know, he's at a big impact on this team

the last couple of years so far. I can hear it in your voice because you are working with Minnesota now. I can hear the Zeev Buoyam reference in there. We're coming out of college and being good. So we're going to jump ship to Minnesota and talk a little bit about him. Is he everything that we think he's going to be? And with him in favor, your D are lined up for the next 15 years. Yeah, I think those two guys are going to be your catalyst guys. And then, you know, you can sprinkle Brodean and, you know, Spurgeon,

how much more longer those guys can play. But certainly those two guys are your catalyst. And Huyaam's just got some, you know, some poise, a lot of like Hudson in Montreal, McCarr just puck possession guys are able to exit the zone with possession, you know, you know, so that's really kind of what makes your skill guys upfront even more, more of a weapon when you can get to park from the D and not have to worry about picking it off the boards or kind of getting it zone the zone out to the neutral zone then chase it down again when you come through that zone with a hundred miles an hour In that neutral zone with possession and you get it from that D That's gonna make all the difference in the world for you know for Kirill and bolding those guys coming through the middle

so he's a great young kid just a lot of like you said a lot of upside to this boy, but He's he's gonna be fun to watch power play guys just got a lot of patience poised can make the play but I'm like I said it's just puck possession kind of moving up the ice with that puck and not have to worry about chasing it down at all Mo I have a question for you back to Dallas. Jamie Ben came in 20 years old, he had 22 goals. Give me your kind of memories of him as a young player, as a rookie.

Did you see the career that he would have moving forward? Because I've mentioned, I think of anyone in the playoffs, it's Brent Burns and him as guys like that don't have one that you'd love to see get that cup ring. So what do you, what do you remember about Jamie Ben when he came into the league and how his careers move forward to where he's at now? It was funny. I think the, it was the first couple of camps he came to camp and I was just kind of less

Jackson was our director of player guy and scouting in there. And so he's like, Oh, you know, you need really take a look at Jamie's got some great hands and a big guy. And, uh, you know, so I was, you know, at that time I was 27, 28, I think at the time 29 and, uh, you know, so it's his first couple of camps and, and, uh, really kind of struggle skating wise, wasn't really the best skater in the world. So I was like, man, I go less, the guy can't get up and down the ice. He looks like he's overweight, just not in. So I was like, man, I go less. The guy can't get up and down the ice. He looks like he's overweight, just not in shape. I was like, I don't know who, who is the guy who was working the

Western hockey league at the time to take a look at this kid? So, um, but, uh, yeah. So then he came in his rookie year. Uh, we played a lot together that, that first year of his and, um, you know, so you could see some, you know, some kind of, uh, some craftiness there, some skills, you know, you never really noticed the toughness until later on in his career where he, you know, he actually, you know, added that to his game where he could, you know, beat guys down. He was good on the draws.

He was good in the corners, a heavy guy to move, but he had some great hands. Good shot. Um, yeah. So you see this evolution of this game, but yeah, he's him and Burns, like you said, are are two guys that, you know, you hope that get a cup before the end of their careers. But he's, he's really kind of carried that torch in Dallas for a good long time. So rightfully so if they can finish it off this year.

Did he, did he like do some work with, I don't know, power skating coach, figure skating coach? Like, do you noticeably you noticed like a big time difference once he was playing in the NHL? Or even then was it not not where it ended up being in his prime? Yeah, it got going as he got on. So I don't know what he did in the offseason, but it really had certainly improved the first four or five years in the NHL. And then he was able to kind of get up and down pretty good. I thought, you know, he moved pretty well and he's got a big long reach, you know, sneaky shot.

But yeah, he was kind of got better as he kind of off season training, maybe just trying to work on some things to get some quickness and some some work a little pounds off from juniors. And so but he, you know, it certainly kind of went from a total 180 with a skating and that kind of made him even more of a, a big weapon out there as, as his career has gone on. Mo, I got just talking about the backend in, in, in Dallas, and you look at your guys' roster, you obviously led by Zubov and then you had, I mean,

you had Hatcher, you had Sador, Ludwig. Like, do you see any similarities even with Heisken and Oht? Like the fact that they're winning and playing well without him, like, do you think you guys could have done that without Zuboff and like having a guy like, uh, Heisken and Oht right now? Like it's not really affecting them as much as you'd see, you'd think it would be. Right? Yeah.

I thought it would have been affecting them really much more you'd see, you'd think it would be, right? Yeah, I thought it would have been affecting them really much more than it has, but you know, it's a credit to them and certainly Harley, who's kind of taken over that other kind of spot. Um, it's kind of hard to, you know, compare that decor to our decor. I think that, you know, the rules obviously were a little bit different. Obviously it just, we just had some big heavy guys that just played nasty, but I don't think we would have had our success if we didn't have that one control guy who could run the court.

The power play five on five just poised with Zubab. He just he just made the game so much easier for all of us when we're on the ice with them. So certainly, if we didn't have him, I don't think we'd make that run like we did in ninety nine and two thousand. But, you know, you look at Dallas, I mean, Bouchelle, I mean, just kind of guys that are just big, they just puck, puck movers. But you see sometimes when they're getting their zone, they get running around a little bit, they kind of get beat from corner

to the front net side to side a little bit. So, I mean, that's kind of where you kind of hope to teams that do success against Dallas, kind of wear them out in those corners, front of the net. But, you know, they've been, they've been moving that puck away from them quick. You got Ottinger just kind of deflects things away and kind of control things as far as pace. And if they get the bum rush down there, they can freeze the puck and start over. So, yeah, it's, it's been remarkable to see without Hissken and how they've been

playing. And, and Ottinginger has been amazing. And I know it's been talked about on the broadcasts and stuff like that, him going against Hellebuck and him fighting for, you know, not only to win a cup this year, but he's fighting for that Olympic spot next year. Do you see a different gear that he had?

I mean, he's been amazing in the regular season since he's been in the league, but this year it seems like he's really dialed it in. Yeah, he's he's kind of been the guy for the last few years. I think I certainly think he's going to give, you know, Hellebuck a run for his money for the Olympics next year. But, you know, you can see how Winnipeg has to play such a perfect game. And Hellebuck just has to be so on to even be involved in these games. So you saw that in Winnipeg with the shutout, but you know,

they're not going to have to they can't rely on him to have a shutout every time they're going to get a win. So they need to come some scoring and he's some depth schieffle, you know, Ellers guys that got to step up and play a little bit better offensively. But, you know, it's a good match. Helleberg, Ottinger, you know, two great goalies. But I just seems to be really poised and calm.

And, you know, he gets rattled a little bit here and there, but consistently, he's been the more steady guy so far this year. So we were talking within our group chat about the ups and downs of playoff hockey, the emotional wins, the emotional losses and trying to stay even killed. So I looked up your 99 cup run, got out to leads in the first and second round, swept the first round, but third round against Colorado, you go down 3-2, right? And then you're going on the road, I believe. Take us through like how it was for you when you were

playing and having a, you know, a gut-wrenching loss, like the Oilers lost the other night, being able to kinda forget about that one, and even the big wins, being able to push that aside and focus on the next game, because I think that's the hardest thing for fans, is the highs and lows and the emotional rollercoaster of it all, so as a player, what do you remember just game to game,

blocking out everything that had happened prior? It was funny, I think it was a lot like, uh, LA and Edmonton. We played Edmonton for four or five years in a row there. And I think our, our goal was when we played those guys, we're only going to make one trip to Edmonton. We don't want to make two. We just were, we hate going up there. So we either get the sweep or we finish them in five. So that was always our goal against Edmonton because we felt like the longer that thing went on against the Oilers, the worse it was going to turn out for us. So but yeah, we ended up with those guys.

And then St. Louis, those guys were tough, pronger. You know, God Terjean was there. They had a handful of guys. But I think the Colorado series, even 99, 2000, I think those two seven game series were some of the best hockey I think I've ever seen, you know, the matchup between us and them. But yeah, certainly three. The game five at home in Dallas, we got I think it was like six to six, three.

We lost. So we had to go to. McNichols, they weren't in the Pepsi center yet, so there's still like the old McNichols barn, so we had to go in there and pull out game six. Um, but yeah, there is so much highs and lows. I mean, as a fan, when you're watching like, God, they, you see Winnipeg win. They're like, Oh, Dallas, you know, Dallas is up against the ropes. They're never going to come back from this.

They're never going to win the next game. And then, you know, you lose the game. Oh, God, they're they look dead. They're like, they're never going to rebound from this. It's like this high and low from in just a matter of 24 hours. You're like, you go to bed, you wake up, you try to refresh yourself, go over a little bit of game tape and just kind of let it go. You just have to have some short memory, obviously. But yeah, it just goes fast. You got 48 hours to kind of get your your body and your mind back together and get refocused. And we're always good at that.

We're kind of good at letting it go. Even good bad. You know, you win a game, you know, hey, you got it. You got to let that go as well. You know, wake up. It's a new day. Everybody's going to look at some making adjustments and kind of get ready for the next one. But yeah, then we went came back for Game seven and Mike King just was amazing. He scored two goals, I think, in Game seven.

You know, Zuboff's been was remarkable in that series. You know, Patrick, why Eddie Belfort going at it? I mean, it's just an amazing seven, seven gamer then off the Buffalo with Hasek. So we're starting to get battered up in that final in six with Buffalo and we would have missed, obviously Brett Hall probably wouldn't have played game seven. Same with Benoit Hogue. I think we had guys that are just gonna on one leg. I think Holly's first shift in overtime

was his game winner that year against Buffalo. So he just sat in that. And that was triple overtime, right? Yeah, triple overtime. So Holly couldn't move. He just was dead. And, uh, so Verbeek was in his slot with me and Urie Lennon for a while. And then, uh, hitch asked him, he says, guy, can you give me a shift or two? And, you know, Holly said, yeah. So he went, was out there and scores a winner.

So that was amazing. That's so good. Hitch asked him, he goes, can you give me a couple? Yeah. How you feeling? He goes, I, you know, he was just, he was toast. I think his MCO was shot. He couldn't move and just went out there to the front of the net. It's just get to the front of the net and, you know, all hell broke loose and it started

carom around. And then, you know, obviously the whole foot in the crease dilemma started for the next half dozen years of what the rule was on that one. but at that moment we didn't care what the rule was. Oh, that's okay. Buffalo can get over it. They've had plenty of cheer about recently. We're still not over it. It's no goal. We're still not over it as a Bills fan.

The Bills in the nineties and everything else. So they're, they had a hard nineties going. But Mo, I had a question about your playoff experience too. We saw it last night, Matthew Kachuk kind of threatening Nylander. Back in your day, I'm sure it was even a lot worse than that. Is there any good stories you remember of like Rob Ray threatening you? Did it ever?

Yeah, who threatened your life? I mean, you go down the list and Edmonton, I think it was Luke Richardson, Ellie Bluckberger, Jason Smith. Oh, my god. There was just a handful of my camp. I'm Megan Pronger. You know, he was always ready to spear your eyes out. Scott Stevens in New Jersey.

I mean, it was just it was just like who could intimidate you and get in your head verbally and just kind of scare you into the corner. They're not playing. So it's hard to do that nowadays because guys are so well protected out there from the ref and the calls and everything else. But yeah, you mean you get into those tears back then. You were scared for your life. I mean, I was just, you know, we had a tough

team too, but you know, you always thought these guys just got a bull's eye on your back. And, and certainly with Edmonton, I mean, just the whole roster was just Mike Rear Rem Murray. I mean, Billy Guerin was there. They were all just trying to just, you know, decapitate each other. It was just a brutal hockey. Well, I wanted to ask you about Austin Matthews. Like you were an American born phenom. So is he, um, like I feel like as playoffs has progressed in his career, it's been harder and harder for him to score.

I mean, this is a guy who scored 69 goals last season. Did you ever have your challenges early on in your playoff career where it was just like way different than the regular season where you were snake-bitten and just couldn't find a way to get it back to the back of the net like the regular season? And what made it switch for you at a certain point

where you were able to finally produce and be that guy to lean on. Yeah I mean you can see that's a little tough for him he's not getting the space and you just you don't normally get the space like you do in the regular season 82 games guys are like oh you know they're gonna play off you a little bit not get on the smush not close that gap in the in the in the offensive zone in the slot where you kind of can make his hay but you just the time and space is gone. The goals he scores in regular season aren't going to be the goals he scores in playoffs.

I mean, it's just kind of they're just ugly, just not pretty goals or not end to end rushes. It's nothing off. You know, not too many teams make mental mistakes anymore. It's just like it's so puck management and they're just moving it away from the danger areas where you have to go into those ugly areas and just kind of hope that your D can walk the line and get that puck to the net and kind of something ugly happens where there's like a boom boom play. Then you get a rebound and a shot. Even on the power play, there's not much space. People are just, you know, collapsing on these guys or taking away their time and space. So you have to adapt.

You have to find other ways to be effective. And he's he's had some assists and he's got some, you know, some good five on five stuff. But for yeah, because I was thinking the for him in order for auto to kind of keep moving on with this deal, especially now in Florida is coming now. He's got to make a statement. He's got to just, you know, have a complete game where, you know, he can get a couple in the net or be that main guy who can create some space for some other guys. Because he's going to he's the he's the main focal point.

He's going to be focused on with these guys. Barkov is all over him. Act glad. I mean, that's just, you know, he's going to have to be it's going to have to get ugly for him the next little while here. Mo, you know how a lot of teams have Ambassadors right that guys who were legends for that team that once they retire that they're they're in the mix. They're in the box They're meeting, you know ticket holders. Have you ever heard of an ambassador that didn't play for the team? I don't know. Yeah, there answer is no. So we have one. It's Paul Bissonnette with the Toronto Maple Leafs.

I was just curious. Mo, Mo, when I was put on waivers by the Pittsburgh Penguins, three teams put a claim in for me. Toronto was one of them. They didn't get me because they finished higher in the standings the year prior than the Phoenix Coyotes. So that's how I ended up in Phoenix. You know who the other team was? The Minnesota Wild. So we're how I ended up in Phoenix. You know who the other team was? The Minnesota Wild.

So we're back in your old stomping ground. So that is kind of the connection that I was almost there. And I grew up a Leafs fan. And the fact since the post-career has gone the way it's gone, they're probably looking for a few extra clicks to get their franchise value bumped up. So you're welcome, Toronto Maple Leafs.

And here we are. Right? I'm sure need that. Yeah. Well, that's what I mean. We're trying to get that stock price up so he can cash out and buy the yacht next to Bezos. But I was gonna go back to Hitch because he was the coach when you guys won the Stanley Cup.

Were there any moments throughout the course of that run where he had to maybe like, you know, give like an emotional speech? Like was he that type of guy where he would give like a raw raw? I know that he would kind of ride his horses pretty hard. So sometimes you guys might push them out of the room and handle things yourselves, but were there any moments where he like addressed the team and it was a pretty inspiring moment?

Um, I think he had some moments, but man, we had some guys who've been through the wringer at that point in their careers with Carboneau and Mike Keene and Scrooge-Lynn and Ludwig, guys that have seen probably a lot more in playoffs than Hitch. You know, Bob Ganey would address us once in a while. He just, you know, when he spoke, everybody was just dead silent, listening every word that Bob said, just because of his, obviously his, you know, skins on the wall and his history obviously was second uh, second to none, but, uh, yeah, you

know, hitch was, he was, he was not too rah rah. I mean, he just would get preparation wise. We just do, we knew everything that other team was going to do at every moment of the game, you know, what, how they came out of their zone, what they did, what was going to be available, what not, what wasn't going to be available. I think we had more, uh, you know, sometimes when hitch would come in and start getting into this thing, I think our older guys would tell, you know, hits to leave the room and we would address the team ourselves and just

have our own little meeting. And, uh, you know, so Carball was kind of the ringleader in that. So you would tell hitch, don't bother coming in. We got this handled. So it was a kind of a community, I guess, leadership in there with those old those old renegades guys that just been through the been through the wall and being young and and hungry. Like we were myself and Sidor Lenin and guys had hadn't win. You know, we're just looking at our chops and just kind of going off

everything these guys words they said. But it's funny. You can listen to these guys preach and tell you what it's going to be like. And but until you emotionally and physically and mentally go through it, man, you just can't understand what they're talking about until you kind of go through that whole two months of playoff hockey is just is just a beat down. All right, Mo, we got a last question presented by Roebak. Use the code CHICKLETS on roebak.com for a generous 20% off.

Your first purchase through the end of this week, C-H-I-C-L-E-T-S on R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com. 20% off all hoodies, joggers, and more with code CHICKLETS. It's a two part question, you can be quick. Thank you for your time and coming on. First, who do you have in the finals and who's gonna win? And second, as a guy who I've played golf with, the reason I don't wear a glove playing golf is Mike Madonna who shot five under par at LA Country Club with me without a glove on. I said, alright, I don't need a glove if I just witnessed that.

What's the best golf course you've ever played? So finals matchup, who's going to win and your favorite golf course you've ever teed it up at? Well, my finals was on my bracket. I had Vegas, Florida and Vegas winning two years ago. Yes. Oh Jesus. But now I'm Jesus, I take it back. Now I'm watching Evan, didn't get it going again.

I'm like, Oh boy, here they come. No one can stop those guys. I mean, I don't care who they put on these two guys. It's just, it's just another level. Like you never seen just the speed, just ferocious. I mean, they're tenacious and they're just hard when you have skill that high. And you have the workout like, like those two dudes do. I just can't, you can't, uh, you can't play with those guys. So now I'm kind of teetering Vegas Edmonton, but I still like those two dudes do. I just can't, you can't, uh, you can't play with those guys.

So now I'm kind of teetering Vegas, Edmonton, but I still like Florida after last night, um, you know, getting a two to two, I think they just look like they're just, you know, billed for this time of year. Um, favorite golf course man alive. I don't know. I have to go without one round left. You got one round left. I'm thinking the Hamptons, Shinnecock. I don't know what that is.

That's what we need to make our next golf trip is the Hamptons. You mean all of us? National. Let's go buddy. Let's go. We'll put it on your card. The best golf in the world in about a five mile radius there. And your ex teammate, Brad Richards, member of Shinnecock. He's been stripped up everywhere.

You see him everywhere. Seminole, the guy's everywhere. He's a golf hound. Mo, can you send us- He's got a membership at all these places? Yeah. Yeah. And I think, so there's like certain clubs that once you get in one, you kind

of start getting in the others and Brad Richards is like like on that path so he's just has to pay the initiation fee at every place I think he made a hundred made a hundred I don't think you have all those files he had is it pay to golf baby get my god I got one way he's got a couple more I got one just can you after can you just as a thank you for coming on the just can you after can you just as a Thank you for coming on the show Can you send us your address so we can get you some wine to put in that wine fridge? What the hell is going on back? We're day drinkers. We go right through it

We'll get some kids Keith. Oh, that's true. Yeah, we'll get you some pink Whitney cases to put up there the real good Rouge I'll send my address, load me up. Yeah, that's awesome. These eight kids, I can do it through in one day. All right Mo, thank you so much. I just had one more. So what's your exact title with the Minnesota Wild? And obviously it must be a blast hanging out with Billy G

and getting to talk with Billy G now all the time. Yeah, it's the executive advisor. Ooh. It encompasses a lot of things. you know, it's a, it's a whole big umbrella. So, but yeah, Billy's been great. I love him. He just has a great guy. Heinz, the whole coaching staff, the owner, Leo Craig is just, you know, I was just a fabulous guy and he's just wants nothing to do than bring a championship to Minnesota. Hopefully that happens for him because he deserves it good for you, man It's good that sounds like a title that you should actually get a jacket for a sports coat. Oh

Merle's has been giving me cheap shots all play. He's trying to reverse mush my boys, too He's like fucking TMZ reporting that these guys are at the beach and shit He's just trying to get myself to the beach for the finals. Hey, if they were at the beach, Murr, as much as you say they are, they'd have a beautiful tan just like Mo over here, okay? They wouldn't be pale. They'd have a nice tan like Mo. Minnesota tan right here.

Well, we appreciate you for coming on, brother, and congrats on the new gig and keep buzzing. Yeah, you guys too. All the best. What a legend. All the best. What a legend. What a legend. Actually, I think, you know, McDavid flying through the ice, Mo's kind of the OG Jersey flapping in the wind, flying through the neutral zone,

and even he is talking about how ridiculous it is watching McDavid. So we'll see what happens. I know, as he mentioned, Winnipeg comes back, wins four-nothing, you're like, all right, I still am like, I think, I don't know, five or six? I don't see Winnipeg able to beat Dallas, specifically with Hellebuck back to, I mean. Road, Hellebuck.

They went on the road. So can we go into that, the kicking goal? Go ahead. But Petrovic, there's, the puck comes out, Petrovic kicks it with his left foot. To me it's clear that he's trying to kick it to his stick. He's a righty, he's trying to kick it up to his, towards his stick so he can make a play on it.

Barron, the defender, goes stick on stick on him, and he's unable to make contact with it. At least it looks like he's unable to. It might even actually deflect it off him or Baron's stick, like just a nick. And the puck's going back towards the slot. So not only is it going laterally, but it's going back towards the slot area.

It's not going towards the net. Kind of like Leon's wasn't going any deflected it in. It was even a worst case scenario in a sense of making an argument that he was trying to kick it in the net from a Dallas standpoint. When Hellebuck makes that play on it to try to knock it in the corner, once again, it's heading towards a slot. So that's in my opinion why they deemed it a good goal

and that he tried to make a play on it and not that he tried to make a quote unquote save. What was he saving it from, going back to the slot? Okay, I actually think no doubt about it, that's a goal. Okay, all right. But, but as Scott Arneal said after, based on the way the rule is written, I don't think it- But that's the thing, and then they panned to Pete DeBoer and he's like, that's not how

the rule's written. He goes, if the goalie tries to make a play on it, there it goes. A kick puck that deflects off the stick of any player, or if that- that says excluding the goal- that says excluding the goalkeeper. Yeah, that was what Ar knew he was talking about. It doesn't deflect, he makes a fucking swing at it. He makes a play on it. He makes a play on the puck, that's the rule.

Like if that one says if it deflects, that it didn't deflect, he literally took his stick and he tried to swipe at it, You could see it in the replay. So they looked at it for six, seven minutes and they ruled it a good goal. I don't see any reason that he should be complaining that in the post game, especially at the fact that they ended up losing five, two,

and Miko Rotten went fucking bar down again because he got to walk through the slot with no one defending him. So they got bigger fish to fry. They're not playing their game right now, but I know we do have another special guest, so I don't want to hold him any longer. We have another very special guest.

Keith told a very funny story about, I think it was a track suit that maybe- Drip trip. The drip trip, the drip trip. When you guys wanted to just look nice, going to games, being on the flight and JVR. I mean, he went, he went over, over what anyone thought he would. He went and bought a beautiful tracks tracksito and we're going to bring him on

right now. James van Riemesteik, is he wearing one? Guaranteed his hair isn't combed. Take that hat off. Oh my God. I wish I could find that, uh, find that traxito. I was, I was looking through my closet. I think it's coming back and all this stuff. I'm shipping back from Columbus, but I was dying to find that thing. I'm surprised you don't wear it to bed every night. That thing was money.

For how much I spent on that thing, I should be. So Yance? Uh, it was probably around five or so. I want to say. and the part of the story I think Yance forgets is he was there next to me when we were shopping egging me on like take law This one's this one's pretty nice, but get the you get this one. This one's a little bit better What do you remember about sleeping I mean you big sleeper on the plane and just having Mike and I shoved in your mouth and then waking up not saying hello

To anyone just chewing him and going right back to sleep. Oh My god, we had so much fun sitting next to each other on the plane that whole year me and yeah And so I think we were if I was one if I was number one He was number two and hours log sleeping. So that was usually our thing. I don't know if it was just because we had sleep. And so that was usually our thing. I don't know if it was just because we had, uh, uh, again, just that, that part of our routine down, but every time we'd get on there, I'd look over like pretty much before the plane be taken off, he'd be out cold and I'd be out cold right after that. And once we touched down, we'd look over and we'd have

our iPad set up, but neither of them were turned on. We were out out the whole time. So that's where he had to catch up on sleep because you and you love like after games, even if you travel to the next city, we get to the hotel room, beers up to the room and you like the late nights. Like that was your thing. That's when you like to get all the hot stoves going with the boys. Was that the case when he was playing with you? JVR?

Oh, yeah, for sure. I think that was exactly it. I think just a lot of darts games back then in those days too and in Philly, but for sure catching up on a few Z's on every flight. Reamer, I know obviously with your brother playing your brother playing right now, these Carolina Washington series, you might be the only person actually watching the games because they're just so boring to watch. But no, I wanna give just a shout out to your brother too.

The way he's been playing, it's simple, it's effective. He has been so good, but even their whole team all year, I know obviously you were playing, but just keeping tabs on your brother. Like what have you seen with that group this year? And especially to now during playoffs. Yeah, they definitely have a great group. And I think I really realized that last year I was in town.

We happened to be playing them the night before his, his little guys, uh, first birthday party. And I stopped by at his house for the party and like, literally like almost the whole team was there. So at that point, I'm realizing if you're going to a one year old's birthday party that you must, you must enjoy being around each other as a team. So they definitely have a tight knit group and a great group of guys. And I think my dad, especially, he's like a kid in the candy store,

just like telling me stories about being in the family room and kind of having some interactions with OV and stuff like that. So they've just got a special kind of buzz and kind of vibe around their team. It feels like this year. Talk to me about, and great season for you, man. It was, it was exciting. It was an incredible run. But just talking about this series, what makes Carolina so hard to play against

specifically at home? Because, you know, it's all about getting shots on net and puck possession and things like that. But that crowd, I mean, they're now 4-0 in the playoffs. They were the best regular season home team. So going into that building in your career, like what have you found most difficult about it? Yeah, I think you said it with the way the crowd is there just and they play that sort of where they feed off that energy where they're. Their style play is certainly way different than almost anyone else in the in the league with the way they kind of buzz around and throw pretty much everything at the net from a ton of different angles, so you could get bombarded right out of the gates if you're not. the gates if you're not ready to go. So that makes it pretty tough.

So they definitely seem to feed off off the crowd there. And like you said, I think on home ice, I remember a couple of years ago, even in the playoffs where they had that one crazy series where they won every single home game and lost all the other road games. But yeah, they definitely have that home ice advantage. I don't know if it's because of their style too, where they do rely a lot on their kind of speed and that chaos we're having that being in that kind of hostile environment really helps them.

But it seems to be that they're really good there. I got one for you. You're a guy major living around the net and we're seeing this playoffs more than ever. The pucks bouncing off D, bouncing off forwards. What can you do as a player to like get inside these big D, something different in the playoffs to get those goals for your team like Washington needs to do.

They need to find a way to get some extra goals. Yeah, for sure. I think the biggest thing is the timing of it. I think obviously you want to get there, but I think as far as just making sure keeping plays alive is not just getting there and kind of coasting up there. I think you have to make sure you're coming

from the right position and coming from when you, uh, a time when you think a guy's actually gonna shoot the puck. So I think, uh, one of the key things, especially when it goes low to high, is if you can come kind of from below, below the goal line from the end wall. So the guy who's boxing you out, can't look at the puck and you. And I think that that makes them have a harder time sort of, and they have to make a choice there. If they're going to kind of let something happen behind them

or give you an easier chance to get to the net if they're gonna try to front the puck. So I think that's something I've tried to do, again, especially with that timing. JVR, I mean, he just touched on it, how you made your living at the net front. Like, how did you get so good at it? Like, and like, when did you learn?

At what age were you like, okay, this is a part of the game or you want to jump in there yet I was just gonna say when you finished he worked on it every single day the tipping the you know He guys ripping pucks out of his heart. He didn't care where you shot it. So he put the work in Every single day. I don't know if you've got to pump your own tires, but this dude put the fucking work Yeah, what was there like a veteran like early in your career? Did you learn it when you were in college? Like, yeah, like when did you get that work ethic and who'd you learn from? Yeah.

As far as that part of my game, I owe a lot of that to Chris Pronger and Joe Mullen. Um, so prongs, I remember just, uh, I think it was really good for me, actually. Just, just kind of being intentional about what I wanted to work on so he would like grab me before practice and You guys know how he is where like he's just out there and he doesn't care He was wiring pucks at like just full bone slappers and it seemed like he was coming closer and closer So he started out by like the blue line

he gets like the top of the circles by the time he was done shooting all these pucks at me, but Yeah, just those sorts of things and um, and plays like that with him. Then Joe Mullen will be out there after practice. And now I have a kind of helped me develop my routine for that. We're, um, just after practice every day now, just tipping everything and just making sure that part of my game is dialed in because like you said, I think. It could at this time of the year, especially like those are how the goals are scored. It's it's so tight out there

There's no room. You're trying to just get a stick on anything and someone's just trying to throw a puck in there for you and Again, I think that knowing how valuable that would be especially as the year went on I think just made it kind of clicked in my brain that this was something I could do could do well and I have a Knack for it and just really making sure that that part of my game was always kind of dialed in well and I have a knack for it and just really making sure that that part of my game was always kind of dialed in. Are you a bit of a hockey nerd? Like are you watching it constantly even when you're not playing? Yeah I love it I try to watch as much as I can I mean now with having young kids at home that the

schedule is a little different so I'm kind of in bed pretty fairly early now but I'm watching a lot of the earlier games and seeing what's going on and yeah definitely enjoying this year's playoffs has been some pretty good series so far Like who are a few guys that like stick out to you that are maybe a little uncommon like not like not Household names like since you've been watching who are you like all this young kids pretty impressive Which is through all your you're watching and scouting per se Oh, that's that's a good one. I would say produce from Washington. Even talking with my brother a little bit, he was just saying when he got hurt,

like, like just saying how valuable he wants to their team. He kind of touches a lot of different areas of the, of the game for them. And just, um, again, he's a bigger guy who flies too. Um, so I've been impressed watching him. Um, I'm trying to think from the other series, uh, who I've been flies too. So I've been impressed watching him. I'm trying to think from the other series who I've liked watching. I like that McMillan kid too.

I mean, Murls had him last game getting a goal just because he's been such a spark plug. He was bound to break through, right? And is it McMichael? McMichael, excuse me. I called him McMillan, Jesus. I was wondering if I wasn't watching close enough. I'm like, who's that?

Bobby McMillan. I played with a McMmillan. I think me and Yance did Yeah, no, he's he's been he's been pretty impressive too. Like they've had a lot of guys I feel like this year where they've taken a big step, especially some of those Those younger guys and it was almost a little bit similar to our team where we had some kind of it more established veterans But our kind of I think the improvement or the growth of the team really came from kind of the younger guys taking a big step going forward. Yeah, what about Fantilly?

He's over here now with Team Canada. He had a huge year. Yeah, it was impressive with him. I mean, right away, like, early in the season, he was a guy who really loved watching McKinnon and that style of play.

And I think as the year went on, I think you could kind of see that sort of comparison, just how they're both really powerful guys and how they play and really kind of put the D on their heels. I think it started to click for him as the year went on, just kind of went to attack and went to kind of take a guy one on one versus one to kick it out and use your teammate and I think that balance of that really opened up a lot of space for him and for the other guys he's playing with just because he puts the other players on their heels so much with how well he can skate and how talented he is. Yeah I was watching a game there with against

I think it was Washington when he lit up Ryan Leonard. Oh yeah, he's not scared to throw his weight around out there. What's that? Yeah, he's not afraid to kind of throw his weight around out there. I think, I think he had Olivier kind of in his ear for the whole year and realized how big and strong he is to do to do that sort of thing and he can definitely impact the game that way too, just because he gets everywhere because he skates so well. So now he's finishing hits like that. And he added a completely other element to his game,

which is great. So going back to Carolina, Washington, you had the chance to play with Freddie Anderson. He's in a zone right now. 940 save percentage in the playoff so far. What do you remember about him? I know him and Matthews are really good buddies, but did you see how good he was going to be or how good he was in Toronto and what type of guy was he to play with? Yeah, he's awesome. He's one of my best friends in the game.

And I'm really happy to see the success that he's having there. Just just the amount of time and work and thought he puts into kind of his craft is Definitely impressive to see he's always kind of tinkering With different stuff whether it's training treatment Just stuff Within the goalie world that I have no idea about but he's always out there on the ice kind of working on his game and those are the guys that you always root for just because of how much he cares and How much it means to him.

So he's out here actually in Minnesota now for the summers. So I get to see a lot more of him, which is great. But yeah, really happy for him. And you could again, he's a huge human and just takes up so much of the net. But I think again, he's had all this longevity now just with all the work that he puts in. And yeah, I'm really happy to see all the success that he's having. And going back to your time in Toronto, kind of not many people can. You know, describe what it's like to be on the Maple Leafs in the playoffs.

And right now you're hearing a lot of talk about Austin Matthews isn't scoring. You know, Marner maybe has some moments when the fan base isn't isn't thrilled with his game. How did you approach playing there once the playoffs came? Once the pressure gets ratcheted up, like when the noise comes without you scoring, like what was it like for you as a Maple Leaf in the playoffs? Yeah, I think that's where it's really key to just have that good sort of support system and try to block it out as much as you can and not ride the roller coaster because the highs can be higher and the lows can be lower there. Yeah, I think that's obviously the key part. I mean, still to this day, I still get goosebumps

when I see that Maple Leaf Square out there, the crowd going nuts when they score a goal in the playoffs. I can only imagine how much fun that those guys are having and I think it's just trying to Properly kind of enjoy that and channel that because again, there's nowhere quite like playing there just with the Again kind of the magnifying glass that you're under and how much people care and you can feel that Especially on game day walking to the rink or walking into the r. And I think that if you can channel that in a good way, I think it just helps even give you that extra juice and a little bit extra energy as it can be again, a grind going through the playoffs.

But again, those two guys that you mentioned, they've been dealing with it there for a long time. They've played there for what, like eight or nine years now. So they're definitely accustomed to dealing with sort of the the ups and downs and the things that can come up playing there. But I think, um, again, those are two guys I would never bet against. What's up with this backpack? Jeez. Asking about in the chat, this infamous backpack, Dora, the explore,

like that, you fucking sicko. Yeah. And Scott will call me Dora. Uh, Dora, the explore. That's what he dubbed me in Philly. Yeah, no, that's just got my just bag of tricks in there. So I got some some different like recovery devices and maybe some some of that coffee that I like.

Just stuff like that. We're not just going to skim by it like it's not Louis Vuitton, by the way, biz like Brent Burns has like a Carhartt one and fucking James Van Doofy has a. So when you say a recovery device, what are we talking here? So I have like this little red light thing. Yeah, I got that in there. I've got this little kind of breathing thing to just help with like strengthen your breathing muscles and loosen up your ribs a little bit.

So those are the two main things that I got my iPad in there. So I, so when I'm on the plane, I can sleep and not watch it. Um, but yeah, just stuff like that pretty much. And I like coffee. Are you a big coffee connoisseur and like, where are you getting your beans from? Like what's so special about what you're drinking? So I've, I've gotten into that a little bit. When I tend to dive into something,

I get probably too far down in the weeds on a lot of these things, but for that, I'm just starting to learn about it a little bit. So for the road, I have this, it's called King Coffee. It's like this kind of like mushroom coffee. So like that's like all organic and whatever. So they have these little like instant packets that I can make it easily on the road. I'm coffee. So like, um, that's like all organic and whatever. So, uh, they have these little like instant packets, uh,

that I can make it easily on the road. So rather than drink the stuff, uh, that we get in the locker room, I can bring some, some decent stuff for that. Oh, that's my get by diving, diving into it. Biz he'll buy like a ranch in like Cuba to farm his own beans. That's how insane this guy is. Yeah, yeah. Actually a little bit of sick in the head, I think. Did you actually buy a ranch in Cuba?

Yeah, me and Yans are looking at some property down there. So maybe, well, I mean, maybe, yeah, you guys will start like a, like a mushroom retreat too. The mushroom coffee, what, like, what, what does the mushroom in the coffee do? I think for this one, it's, for this one, it's supposed to not make you as a jittery and be a little better on like your gut. So, um, I just, I've, yeah, I've been using that for, yeah,

maybe like five or six years. I like it. Like a lot. That's awesome. I just got a question. Where do you think, uh, that backpack is going to end up next year? I see that you're donating a lot of money and supplies to UNH recently. Is that something that's gonna happen down the line? What's in your future plans?

Are you just kinda relaxing? Well, I think he's too old to play there. I got two years of eligibility left, so I'm just waiting for them to change the rules and maybe I can sneak back in there. You could probably make more NIL'd with what what you're making the show now with these league minimums. Exactly. Paying to play now. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know. We'll see. I really enjoyed it in Columbus and felt that was a great fit for me there. So that'd be something I'd be interested in

maybe going back there. But again, we'll see what the free agency in the summer brings. But obviously with how much I love the game and things like that, like you mentioned, the project at UNH is something I'm trying to help with now. Just get them with some fundraising type stuff and just helping with their recovery related and performance related things. So I've gotten a couple of brands to help donate some stuff to help the guys with their stuff there. So I don't know. We'll see.

So that's kind of the few things that I guess I've had on the go more recently. But yeah, we'll see. Obviously, I love the game and there's lots of different ways to be a part of it. I guess we got a team in the ECHL, the Greensboro Gargoyles. I mean, I don't know if you have any interest. We throw the C on your jersey. We have great jerseys, great place to live. So if you're looking for a gig,

at least in the meantime, until you have one, then we could probably talk to Rod DeBaud and get you with your buddy, Freddie Anderson, considering we're owners of the team. Yeah, there we go. Maybe director of recovery or something, or director of mushroom coffee. It is once a different kind of mushrooms,

but yeah, 16 goals last year is nothing to shake a stick at. If you guys didn't make the run, you would have probably been one of the top candidates at the deadline, because we're seeing it this year more than ever. The mixer goals are going in, and the team's definitely gonna want you in a playoff run if you don't make it next year on your own team. Yeah, you know, that's I think for me too, that's been kind of assuring to see as you

see guys like you got like a Max Petruetti or Corey Perry, guys are a little bit older that I think maybe play sort of similar roles to what I envision for myself. So it's it's again, nice to see guys like that having some success and me now going into the summer and realizing that there's still kind of value in that type of player at that time of year too. So yeah, that's always, that's been fun for me to watch and see as well.

JVR, last one for me. We're both Toronto Maple Leaf alumni. Will, what do you make of these young guys that you played with, this young core group, trying to get it done, and what do you think their chances are against the Florida Panthers in this now best of three going home? Well, first things first, what's with the yellow shirt

with the alumni, or the ambassador jacket? I never got sent one of those. I actually do have a jacket like that that we wore for an outdoor game, but I didn't get the yellow shirt. So is that just your touch? Or they send you the- The yellow shirt is just my lucky shirt.

I went to a bachelor party this summer. I did a jersey swap with a buddy. I wore it out and I won't get into details, but it was a pretty good night. You know, usually it's pretty decent when you get the fucked off your torso. So I mean, you know, that's just, you know, that's my, I got the lucky tie. Now they have the ambassador jacket.

So I just figured I'd go with it considering it's brought us luck. Brought me luck last summer. It's brought us luck this season. So, um, but back, back to you, like who's chant, who do you think has the best chance of winning this series? Geez. I mean, like I said before, like I, I have such a soft spot for, uh, for the Leafs and, um, just that, like, just seeing the vibes that I can only imagine

how much fun those guys are having just with how crazy it gets there during playoff time and, um, and, and especially in a series like this now where they have, they have such a good rivalry now with, uh, with those guys and, and how hard fought the games have been, but it seemed seemingly this year just watching. It seems like there's a different sort of vibe and a feel to the team for whatever reason. I don't know if it's maybe some of the guys that picked up the deadline or it's seemingly a team that's a little bit more maybe balanced

this year, too. So I don't know. I think getting a guy like our handsans and my buddy Scott Lawton, I think that was a big get for them. But yeah, I think just for them going through some of the scars and the pain of of having all those disappointments and maybe underachieving a little bit. And it just goes to show how hard it is that this time of the year. But it seems like this year, like with other playing, like I think things are starting to click and what it takes. And a guy like Chief two, I played for him my first couple of years in Philly. I think he's kind of pushing the right buttons and he's a guy that's,

he's got a perfect kind of temperament and, and balance, not only for playoff hockey, but for just kind of, I think, handling being in Toronto and everything extra that, that comes with that. So again, I'm always rooting for those guys to do well, just because of all the history there. So I'd like to see them go on a run and kind of pull this series out. So I guess we'll see what happens.

Any funny, was Willie there when you were there? Yep, yep, Willie. I think the only the only guys left are Willie Morgan Austin Mitch and I think that might be it at this point. So like any murals was going full TMZ about Nylander being at the beach before game three Do you have any funny stories about just how laid back he was as a young guy? Like this guy doesn't give a fuck?

But he's- Yeah, just the posture that he has. Like you could tell like everything kind of just rolls off his shoulders and that's like the perfect temperament you need to play in a place like Toronto. Like he loves kind of that stage like that you could tell. I think Collie too, just because his dad played and the markets that his dad played too,

like what he, this is like as high profile as it gets playing in a place like Toronto. So I think he's got the right vibe there where he kind of just lets a lot of stuff just roll off his back and just goes about his business and comes out with his shirt off for the post game interview in the locker room. And just that sort of calm confidence I think is important to have, especially there and

one of your best players. I think it can help just kind of kind of sell the minds of everyone else in the room. So I'm trying to think of some good ones from when he was first coming in. But I think just the one thing that sticks out is just kind of that posture that he has where he's walking around, like kind of like very, like just laid back, but very confident. Connor McGregor. Pretty much.

Yeah. Just right when he walked in right from day one. So, um, and he said that same, same sort of swagger to him right away. And I don't think anyone was going to knock, uh, knock that out. I couldn't beat it. Yeah. I was just going to say, no, no, if he can't get it out of him, I don't think anyone can. So, yeah, no, it's, it's, it's, it's, I'm glad to see him doing well, too.

Cause he's another guy, like you talk all his talent that he has to, but he grinds to, to be, to be a player. I think all those guys there, they don't get enough credit for that. They, they work at it. They treat it like a craft and like, like a job and how they approach it. And they're always trying to kind of reinvent themselves a little bit or add new tricks to their bags. And I got to see a lot of that firsthand. But yeah, it's nice to again, nice to see the growth that those guys have had since when I've been there. And now they're all super star bonafide superstars and guys that any team would love to have. So my last thing for you, looking back and thinking of you in Toronto, does any funny

Phil Kessel memory just pop into your head? Oh, he does the best film. We might start a new podcast. Send out a new link. Oh, my God. That's literally like when I was playing there, that was like no one would even ask me like how my buddies that would like, like they text me, do like, what's the latest thing with Phil? Like, what's he, what's he, what do you do today? Even the same this year with the guys, like they got,

they, anything, everything about Toronto was only about Phil. Geez. I'm trying to think of ones that maybe I haven't told you guys before, but yeah, he was just every day. It was just full on, full on comedy with him. Just like, just as like, uh, just like the voice he's chewing, like six pieces of gum in there too, and just like, just like he's the, he's the epitome of just, you know, how we all are where we like to complain about everything. Like he, he definitely gets the, uh, the, uh, the juice just going for that. And then it's just, but again, it's like not in a way that's like negative. negative It's like it's kind of makes it funny and brings the guys together. So I'm like wit I

Feel like wit and yans are like they bitch and it's like sometimes it's like, oh fuck they bitch a lot But fuck like 95% of the time It's like hilarious coming from the guy bitching that he worked 15 days straight and stayed at a four seasons and ate at fucking Nobu every day. Yeah, we really complain a lot. What was the what was the one? Didn't he have one where when you were playing against him, he's like, don't fucking forget who made you. Reamer. Yeah, that was that was one of my favorite ones where

or at the first time playing against him in Pittsburgh. Like I gave him a little whack on the, on the top of the laces. And he looks over at me and he goes, he goes, he called me James. The only guy who ever calls me James, everyone's JVR reamer, but he goes, James, don't forget who made you a player in this league. So he was this, he was just all time. And we had actually Christian Fisher who, uh, who, uh, we picked up, uh, after the deadline and he, he is really good buddies with Phil

So we check in and we actually talked to him for the first time in a while He's usually he ghosts my text now So I don't know if he's gotten too big time for me Phil But but I got to talk to him on a couple times and just just to laugh a minute with him So he's all time Well, dude, he is a legend. So are you. We appreciate you coming on, man. I think you'd probably pick your brother's team to get it done, so I don't think it's fair if we ask you who you think is going to win because family comes first.

But we appreciate you coming on, dude, and good luck the rest of the summer finding a new team. Hopefully you're back in Columbus, maybe, but we appreciate you taking the time to join us, buddy. And maybe do we appreciate you taking your time to join us buddy and maybe uh one time maybe doesn't do this guy do us you don't golf that's what I retire I'm gonna I'm gonna learn how to play I'm awful so I don't even waste my time out there but my brothers actually is three handicaps so often get on with him maybe we'll have to do something he's a hook jerry me around out there maybe we all have to do do something. He's a hook Jeremy around out there

Maybe we all go to the because murals and game notes guys. They go to the NCAA frozen for maybe we do like a drip trip With all the boys we do like a track Ceto trip and we we all get the band together It's a meal send me the link that I'm ordering. I'm there Alright, let's go. Remer's got twins coming too. So good luck. Lauren do this. Yeah. Oh yeah. It's going to be a pure chaos. Twin boys coming in September. So that's awesome. They're like, yeah, you can't put red light blanket wrapped around the baby.

We're going to be pushing the limits on that. So we'll see. Could you imagine the diaper with the diapers are filled up with mushroom coffee? They'll be wearing his diapers. All right. See you bud. Love you. Reamer. We got to talk about cracking guys. We got to talk about cracking. Whether you're ripping clappers on the ice or you're making moves in the markets, you need speed, precision and a game plan. And that's why we're rolling with Kraken, the official crypto exchange of spit and chiclets.

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and is offered to US customers, excluding Washington, New York and Maine through Payward Interactive. So go to kraken.com slash barstool. Guys, two things we didn't mention talking about Rantanen. The first is there's been two players in NHL history to record nine or more goals and eight or more assists over a six game span in the playoffs.

That's Miko Rontanen and Wayne Gretzky. That's it. I've heard of them. And in Miko Rontanen's last six games, he has 17 points, nine goals, two hat tricks, two game winning goals. He's the first player in NHL history with a hat trick in the third period of a game, 7. And the first player in NHL history with 4 point periods in back to back games.

So that's courtesy of Liam Blutman right there. I'm amazed at what we're watching. It's out of control. And Peter Boer, he said, this is scary. He's just getting started. That's all he's doing. He's just getting the engine going. He's just warming up. He's a man on a mission. That's coming from his coach.

So Winnipeg fans are scared, they're worried. One thing while you're talking about Pete DeBoer, I happen to fall into this on YouTube. There's a little video, him and Paul Maurice sharing a coffee, and I think it was when they were in Finland at the World Games. Really great story how they played together in junior and then just their whole coaching philosophies. And you see why both these guys have awesome teams. But they could be on that collision course for the final.

That would be an unreal final. That really would be. I don't know if Gary Bettman would be the biggest fan, but Morose would be back at the bar. I mean, if you're thinking about growing the game in southern United States, I mean, those are two, like those buildings are rocking. Like if you're from a visual standpoint, I would put Dallas on par with what Edmonton's got going on at home. Like it's just like the people are on their feet for part of the games,

like the fucking, like the disco lights going, they got the limelight going, they got the lights going, they got the lights going, with what Edmonton's got going on at home. Like it's just like the people are on their feet for part of the games, like the fucking, like the disco lights going, they got the lime green lights on the staircases, people losing their fucking minds. Like I feel like as far as fan engagement,

that's one of the best in the league at this point. So yeah, that could definitely be a final. We did have some other hockey chatter to get to. There are a few other, we have a Quick Hits wit. Yeah, part of the Quick Hits was talking about the world. Very bizarre to see Nathan McKinnon wear number nine. And it's pretty cool. Flurry comes over.

Flurry made this insane save the other day. It was against Latvia. The guy looked like, I think Bucci tweeted like he should not be retiring. I get it, but he still has so much game, but seeing Sid there and McKinnon and just that Canadian roster, Ryan O'Reilly is there as one of the assistant captains as well. They're on a flurry retirement tour right now over there on the, on team Canada's dime getting some Ws, but come on,

we all know what's happening here, don't we? Yeah, they interviewed, I think it was Sid after the game on Saturday. They said, oh, what's going on now after the big win? He's like, oh, no, we're just gonna take it easy. We play again tomorrow. And then he kind of left it at that. So then they dumbied a team yesterday, six nothing.

I'm sure they had a night last night. We're probably getting in right now. Are they in Stockholm? Stockholm, yeah. Half of it's in Stockholm, the US brackets, and Denmark. Oh, Stockholm is just, you walk around there, I mean, everybody's fit. The women are just, it's a joke.

They're not even human beings, they're fembots. They're fembots. Fantasy. I had a nine stalking me at the games when we were there for the world premiere games. The guys were, they were loving it and losing it on me. I remember Brooks Orpah, hey, your girlfriend here on the glass,

world premiere sweater. But every time I'd skate by by she'd be banging on the glass I'm like oh my god the original glass banger yeah the original yeah what happened to Yans I think you had to go you talked about Dallas's home crowd those missiles behind the bench she kind of looks like a Swedish femme bot. I wonder if we'll see her again in the series. She might just wait till game sevens only. That might be the problem with her. Do you think that if they get to the conference finals,

we see Glassbanger? Apparently his exit date from prison is May 15th. You've got to think that, you know, his parole officer should be like no stars games like? You can't be going to the stars games because what do you think he's doing at the stars games? He's doing drugs drinking like a fish, and he's gonna be on parole so glass banger might be done If he actually was a true fan the way they're going he wouldn't show his face. That's what I mean That's what I mean, That's what I mean. But he doesn't think like that.

He's a dirt bag. No, he thinks that like adding, he thinks adding him in the conference finals, if they get there, is like them picking up ranting on the deadline. No, he's like, we don't need Heskinen back, we just need me banging on the glass. That's what'll get us to Stanley Cup.

He's like, especially if we if we want to match Florida's four check, you're going to need me in there banging up against the glass when we're fighting below the goal line for bucks. The other hockey news was Gavin McKenna. His point streak was snapped up. 54 games. Oh, OK.

54 games. He had, right, over this historic run, he had 129 points. What the fuck insane. 129 points in 50, 54 games in a row. November 2nd of 2024 was the last time he didn't score a point. Yeah. So like three weeks into the season, four weeks into the season. That's not offered him up like three months ago from like to live in my basement next year play at RPI No money just he gets to live in my basement free food

You DM them no, no, I just put it out in the internet. Oh, okay the interwebs You got a restraining order against I try to recruit him to Davenport University where I went to. And when I was in Saginaw, Michigan, didn't get a reply back, left me on red. Yeah. He's something else. And then I guess there's this other prospect out West Schultz or something, Maddox Schultz, and he's doing the same type of stuff just a year younger. So insane, insane prospects coming out of the Western league, which gets army all horned up. I know know I think that kid might even be two years younger

They just got these Western kids, what are they doing out there? What's happening to Ontario biz? Where are your 14 year old superstars? uh Usually they're just going to the OHL as double underageers if they're that good I think granelli just just posted in the chat here that Landon Dupont. He was a double underager outlast. Yeah, we played with Mickey.

He's a stud too. What was I just gonna get to? Oh, they also had the little fun fact there. Do players at the IHF tournament now have to wear neck guards? Yeah. Okay, so I guess Sid busted out his neck guard from when he was 14 years old. I saw that tweet.

Is that actually his from then? It looked like it. It looked like one of those old ITech ones. If anyone would do that, it's him. Imagine he calls his old man like, hey, can you go in the garage, go underneath that mousetrap and find out my old gear. Get that net guard ship at the suite and overnight.

I real, um, Oh shit, boys. I'm nervous tonight. I'm nervous. Mer, so it'll be a, I think I'm 350 in the morning. Puck drop. What are you going to go into bed early? And I'm getting up for that game.

I'm not going to, I'm not wasting my time with the Carolina game. I'm going to get a few hours in. I'll be up at three 30. I got a new prop for tonight. Oh, Oh, prop EBR chain. So Murr, let me ask you this. You did not watch game three though. That's what I know.

I know. So I watch it in the morning. This is the fan stuff I'm talking about. This is the fan stuff. So I'm happy to hear that you'll be awake. How about this? I'm going to get up. If it's bad after the first, then I'm going back down and then I'll just play it, play it by the year. Is it play it by year or play it by year? No clue. I have. I mean, I just say both. You know who you're talking to?

I rotate. He says World Wind. I rotate. Yeah, but it's just by year. Play it by year. Play it. So how about this story? How about this story from this weekend? This is, you know, when they talk about character and who you are? Yeah. And as a parent or a father or a mother, what you need to teach your kids is lessons.

Right. Do you guys know, I know Murls does, but do you know who Matthew Slater is? The name sounds familiar. So he played on the Patriots for a long time. I believe one of the greatest special team players in NFL history And people that know about the NFL would know way more so My son Ryder plays in a flag football league now. This is all first graders So they had a big game this weekend where the two top dogs from first grade are playing against each other.

There's a kid, Will, on my son's team, and there's a kid, L.J., my buddy's son, on the other team. This is Falcons versus Buccaneers, flag football. It's phenomenal, right? Now, these two kids, they're always the captains at recess in soccer. They're the top dogs, and they were going head to head. So we get to the field, this is yesterday morning, Mother's Day morning, and Will's not there yet. So Ryder's team, where's Will? Where's Will?

Where's Will? LJ's already over there, he's down the other end. This is the matchup that they've all been waiting for, and they're all gonna be talking about today at school, right? Sure as shit as the game goes on, Will 99 yard touchdown run. LJ picks six, 99 yards back the other way. Will another 90 yard touchdown run.

And there's no tackle, they can't even get the flags off these kids. LJ, another, runs it from the end zone down, boom. So somehow Ryder's team, the Falcons, they got a four point lead, all right? But the Bucs get the ball back and LJ's ready. I ain't going down the wheel. Last play of the game, like last sequence of the game? Last series, there's gotta be a minute and a half left.

Okay, all right. And the Buccaneers drive down the field, LJ rumbling, stumbling, and Will's making tackles. And it's one on one. It's six on six, but it's one on one. Will versus LJ, king of first grade at Glover School. LJ's team runs one in with about 10 seconds left for the win. Okay.

Ah, shit. You know, the Bucks, the Bucks are rattled. I mean, the Falcons are rattled. Riders over there crying. It's not good. Well, all of a sudden, Matthew Slater, legendary NHL NFL player, the coach of the Buccaneers, the team who just scored. No, no, no, no.

My player ran out of bounds. No touchdown, no touchdown. His team's celebrating, but it's like, wow, he did run out of bounds. But the coach, and they had one play left, but the coach said, I'm not winning like that. A man of character, I'm not winning like that. He was out of bounds.

The ref called touchdown, but they reversed it. There's an NFL legend standing, ref's like, okay, you're the coach of the team. What are you gonna do argue with the other coach you just won? And that's honorable right like this guy it's his team all right we'll call it back we'll call it back so they come down to the last play of the game now there's a kid Ryder goes to school with that's on his team Mickey we're gonna call him tricky Mickey Ryder calls him tricky Mickey I don't know if just Ryder calls him Tricky Mickey,

but he says he's always playing tricks. Now also a little description of Mickey. This kid is going places in life, and I'll tell you why. This kid came home, he's six years old. For two weeks his mom said, hey any homework? You got any homework? He's like, no mom, the school ran out of paper. She's like, really? He's like, no, mom, the school ran out of paper. She's like, really?

He's like, yeah, it's crazy. I don't know, there's a big paper shortage. He was stuffing his homework in his locker for two weeks and then telling his mom that there was a paper shortage. Six years old. That's a kid you know's going far. Tricky Mickey. Tricky Mickey, I love him.

Last play of the game. QB drops back. Bucks are trying to get the win after Matthew Slater took back their own touchdown. Tricky Mickey comes flying off the side and bats down the pass going to LJ for the win. Team jumps on him. They're going crazy. Tricky Mickey. Wills team wins. Ryder's team. Just a legendary ending of a flag football game with character being shown by a head coach How many youth coaches out there are gonna say no no no my guy ran out of bounds So tricky Mickey was the hero the big dog will got the win I'm sure today at recess soccer games gonna be will vs. LJ

We'll see but it was very impressive as a parent and a coach to see that's what it's all about, right? You wanna play by the rules, you wanna have and live with character, and I saw Matthew Slater do it, so no wonder he was such a, I think a three-time Super Bowl champ. But Tricky Mickey came through in the clutch and I was impressed.

Oh man, this Tricky Mickey, if he's ever up for adoption, let me know, that's the type of kid I'd adopt. No, they ran out of paper, mom. Like, that's unbelievable. What a move. Kid's going to be a CEO or something. Yeah, exactly. On that note, I got Lily's first ever soccer practice

tonight. He's going to get in politics. She loves to run. She loves to kick the ball. Let's see if I got a superstar in my hands. Are you coaching? No, no, no. Swedish soccer, I wouldn't be the best communicator with the five year olds.

He's like, I got a plus 7500 first goal score. The girls are looking at you like, what's wrong with this guy? All right, we got hockey tonight. We're looking for a little more excitement out of Carolina Washington. Washington's got to answer the bell. I think they do. I know Carolina hasn't lost at home, but I think we get that series at two two.

And then it's me versus Murr. I'm glad you're gonna be awake Murr because we can be texting, going back and forth on the group chat. Biz, great show. Yeah, thank you. You're in one. I mean, you're in one right now, but I like your coffee.

Was I complaining about 15 days of work that hard? Like, was it like, what did I say that really set you guys off? Yeah, at one time, and Yann's picked it up, and then I just been going with it, too. OK, so if I work, if I mentioned working 15 days in a row, it's complaining. OK, I got you noted. Noted.

I think you were just like, yeah, I'm really, really tired. You know, stuff that's normal, which you were. Oh, yeah, I was right down really tired. It's stuff that's normal, which you were. And you're not. But then I think people listening who are doing manual labor are probably as would be expected. But buddy, you're in the entertainment game. Sometimes people look at, hey, he's working for a couple hours doing a game. Well, your brain's got to be on.

You got to be making contact. For eight hours. Yeah. For eight hours and then like we had the 14 hour days where we had to do the whole day slate of games and you know You're also going to the wee hours in the morning. Your sleep patterns are off. Then I had to fly back to Arizona We're talking about time change like I'm 40 fucking years old guys. I'm not on the fucking tee Maybe I should get on it Maybe I guess you get she get like a naturopath to get me on some more supplements so I can last through these These grind days, but Mer good luck to your team tonight wit also good luck to you

Thank you guys for not torturing me too hard, but hey we got a series You're not down 3l well Yeah, I got my head beat on a drum last night on national television, so thank you two for not taking it to that level. Those shirts are for sale. So if anyone out there can't stand biz and wants a shirt where he looks like an idiot

that I drew on my iPhone with my fat finger, they're for sale. That might be our highest grossing shirt of all time, and the fact that you are the artist on it is just like, it's like the chef's kiss, right? It's so, it's so chiclets. Yeah. Can we pull up the shirt?

Can we pull it up, what it would look like if people bought it? Did we get a visual of it? I think Yantek, I think Yantek. I saw it on the Twitter on X today. Maybe we just show the people to close out the livestream, the biz idiot. The busy idiot. Wait, I got these if I need to rally.

I'm back here, back home. I got the shooters to rally us. But listen, thank you to our crew. Nick, we got G, Fish, Pasha, all the boys behind the scenes. You guys make it work. Also, people who are watching, when we post it to YouTube now, when we get off, it takes about 15, 20 minutes to recalibrate so it starts at the start of the show.

So you don't need to go in the comments and be like, the show's off, the show's off, the show's off. We got it, it's gonna recalibrate 20 minutes from now and to close it out, that was the original. That's not the one I want, that's not the one people want. That's the original. That's the original. That's the hands last night. Can we sell Biz Idiot too?

We sell them all. We got the Biz Idiot and we got the Leafs win. I don't know, it's a lot of design work to change that just epic drawing, you know, when I don't know. Yeah, that's... Gee, are the Biz Idiot ones available just like the Leafs wins?

The Biz Idiot shirts are available in US and Canada and I think they are moving right now, so. All right. They're. Hey, I'll give up. I'll play the fucking Heels. I want more games. I want to go to Florida.

It's the only reason I'm against the Leafs. I'm a better heel than John Cena. What are people saying? I'm the most hated man in hockey. What? I saw some tweet about this is why Vince McMahon never made him the heel. Like I don't follow WWE.

It's because he's not a good heel. I'm a good heel. I got the whole hockey world outside of Leafs. I got Leafs fans hating me. That's when you know you play a good heel. So all you haters out there, just remember, suck my heart. You gotta be the only ambassador hated by the fan base.

Because ambassadors are legends in the organization. Hey, all you haters out there. Okay, sign us off. Mike Madano. Thanks to Mike Madano at Italistars. That's an ambassador. Here we go. I don't know any other way Even if I could go away I don't know any other way This feeling is so hard to wear I'll get you someday