Spittin Chiclets - Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 565: Featuring Craig Ludwig, Tripp Tracy & Ryan Warsofsky

Episode Date: May 27, 2025

On Episode 565 of Spittin’ Chiclets, the guys are joined LIVE by Craig Ludwig, Ryan Warsofsky and Tripp Tracy as the Eastern and Western Conference finals shape up. Edmonton took a 2-1 Series lead with a commanding game 3 win. Can they continue the domination? The Canes might have some life left in them as they hold on and survive against a series sweep. All this and much more on this weeks episode, TUNE IN LIVE and don’t miss out. 00:00:00 - START 00:30:00 - Craig Ludwig Joins the Show 01:06:06 - Tripp Tracy Joins the Show 01:42:12 - Ryan Warsofsky Joins the Show 02:18:35 - Quick Hits Support the Show: PINK WHITNEY: Take Your Shot with Pink Whitney GAMETIME: Download the Gametime app today and use code CHICLETS for $20 off your first purchase RHOBACK: Use code CHICLETS on https://rhoback.com for a generous 20% off your first purchase through the  end of this week  BODYARMOR: Get your BODYARMOR today at Walmart or a local grocery store near you! https://www.walmart.com/brand/bodyarmor/bodyarmor-sports-drinks-and-zero-sugar-sports-drinks/10009696 NOBULL: Visit https://nobullproject.com/CHICLETS for 30% your entire order. DRAFTKINGS: GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, [phone] or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). 1 per new customer. $5+ first-time bet req. Max. $300 issued as non-withdrawable Bonus Bets if your bet wins. Bonus Bets expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Ends 6/22/25 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK. RO: Connect with a provider at RO.co/CHICLETS to find out if prescription Ro Sparks are right for you and get $15 off your first orderYou can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/schiclets

Hey, spitting chicken listeners, you can find every episode on Apple podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. Prime members can listen ad free on Amazon music. Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed to the jungle that is Boston sports. Our white whale Sydney Crosby. Shave his head. Shave his head. Shave his head. Ryan Whitney, Paul Bissonnette, R.A., Mike Grinelli, Spitton Chicklets. How are you hockey fans? What's going on? Welcome to episode 565 of the Spitton Chicklets podcast.

We're in the middle of both conference finals. Feels like I haven't seen or talked to you guys in a month because it's been a full full week. But we are here to talk hockey, to talk about the Oilers, to talk about the Canes staying alive, to talk about it all with some very special guests. And it's all presented to you by Pink Whitney. That's not a coffee business drink. And that's actually Pink Whitney early in the morning. He knows what's up.

Easy to get fired up when you take your shot with Pink Whitney. Local bar, local liquor store, doesn't matter. Get the big bottle, get the small bottle, get the nip. Enjoy yourself with some Pink Whitney as the summer begins and as we watch some amazing hockey in the conference finals. Guys, I'm in a great mood.

I'm in a great mood. Keith, I'm assuming, still in a great mood, I'm in a great mood. Keith, I'm assuming still in a great mood, even though last night it could have ended. Biz, you're just a loser still, but I love you. What's going on? What's going on with me after you called me a loser? Well, not a loser, your team's a loser. You're not a loser.

I mean, I got you bodying me. I got Jackie Redmond bodying me. I got Paul Maurice laughing when she's bodying me. So I mean, the L's keep rolling on for all busy boy here. Yance, how was your Memorial Day weekend, my friend? Well, fill us in, cause I was at the game, so I didn't hear what happened with Jackie and Paul. It was amazing, amazing.

I think that the conversation was, is like keeping a good bench and like Paul Maurice encouraging them to, to celebrate even the little things, whether it's the block shots or just a simple outlet pass, maybe it's a good stick in lane, not just the goal, the fancy goals and assists, right? You need to have a good bench and make sure you're pumping the guy's tires. Kind of like, uh, I mean, kind of like when you pumped Gordo's tires, when he used to block shots. And then even sometimes when he got out of the way, he used to chirp them, you know, you just got to have a lively bench chiming in, keeping the morale high. And, uh, it's evident that they've done that. But,

uh, Hey, credit the Carolina hurricanes boys. Uh, there was not much fight in those first three games. The first two, it felt like there was what? 30% of their fans left in the building by the time the game ended. So they get an opportunity to not only bring that home to stretch it to five, but to put on finally what we would deem a good performance in front of that home crowd. That crazy, the crazy canyacs in Carolina. So yeah, no Jackie Redmond, she fucking, she bodied me pretty good there and Paul Maurice had a good chuckle as a result of it Maurice was like oh why don't we roll it every deck oh we have it let's roll that's what I

don't know if the guys prepared that in time and the night time we can kill it I laughed out loud I mean I'm watching I'm like oh yeah Stanley Cup winning coach that's just like we're not around. We're not allowed to roll the clips. Apparently they'll sue us. So that one won't be sure, but we just pretty much described it perfectly. Very, very funny. Um, another thing that was funny is, is G tried to switch the series around early

by getting down to game two in Raleigh where he, he rang the siren. I believe it was kind of tough for him with this risk. I mean, you could tell he's going all in on that. And it did absolutely nothing. I mean, look at the scoreboard as he's doing it. Everyone's like, get this guy off the big screen right now. We're down three, nothing. He can barely spin the thing. So I don't know if he wants to pop on quick and mention if his wrists or arm or shoulders... Do you need surgery? Shoulder was hurting boys. Shoulder was killing the next day.

Yeah, it wasn't as much the wrist, but my shoulders aren't much bigger than my wrist. So, yeah, I was struggling. What do you guys think of the tracksuit, though? Everyone was calling me Grinnelli. Very nice. Very nice. That is unreal. Really nice. Ordered it on Amazon.

But what an awesome opportunity to promote the gargoyles to get down there. Like such a welcoming organization. The Canes were like it was funny because they were so optimistically positive to like everyone in the lot was like, we love our boys, go get them boys. Like we know they're down and out this year, but our boys will be back next year. It was almost like it was like their local high school team for game two. They were saying that. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. They knew they were down and out. They knew that like they basically had no chance to win, but they were just optimistic and like loved their team in a sense of like, we'll be back next year. We love our core. We love Roddy. We love what they're building here. So it went to 30 million dollars in money this summer. So, yeah, they were it was they're so welcoming and so nice that tailgate

gets so wild. There's guys dressed up in like Chewbacca costumes and Ric Flair costumes walking around. So it's pretty cool. But people were loving the gargoyle stuff. We had a gargoyle stand and I mean, every week they said we got tons of season ticket signups as well. So it's pretty cool. Maybe not after I ripped them after game three for now. I have a lot of messages of from Cain's fans saying I was going to go to a gargoyles game. I will never show face in there again now. Yeah, they will. I think I think they will. And and we're going to get to the heart and the Panthers.

We have the Hurricanes color analyst on Trip Tracy's been doing it forever. He's going to join us. We have Ryan Wasowski, gold medal winning coach for Team USA. Huge. I think 1933, incredible story there. We have him coming on later in the show. We also have Craig Ludwig, who is just an all time shot blocker.

His shin pads were as wide as the screen right now is. And I got a big old Max. The pink Whitney bottle. The big one. The one behind you. Those were shinies. Yeah, yeah. I tried getting a shot past these. So a great show lined up. Biz, quickly before we get into Dallas and Edmonton, the altcast with Will Arnett, very funny. I popped on for a little bit. I know Yanz was on. How did that come about? Was it enjoyable for you? Yeah, I think like 10 days to two weeks beforehand, we were in the mix of playoffs and they called me in and they asked if I wanted to do it. Obviously at that point, I assumed that Toronto

was going to beat Florida in advance and it would have been a Toronto alt cast and we would be the ones pumping Caroline in this series. But no, Florida ruined it. Of course, Yans and the boys just put us in a blender. Good Chuck and the rest of the crew, Brad Marshall, my arch nemesis, but man, getting to do an alt pass with an a-lister and a guy as funny and quick witted as that it was awesome. Are we had some incredible guests? Obviously Chuck stopped by.

He's kind of got those aunt glasses. Like he looks like an aunt, like our grandma, doesn't he? The same ones he had when he came on our podcast. He's just like, I think he's got to burn those things. He looks like he's got bifocals on or put a strip of tape in the middle and look like a Hanson brother or something. Uh, then we had Al Michaels. I let him know that I, I didn't realize it was him who did the call and then he roasted me And then you and your aunts popped on we had the chicklets memes popped in Because will our nets obsessed with chicklets memes ever since he tried to sell him that script That was basically just a knockoff of a few movies that were put together

Jason has one scene. Yes one Jason, but you're born It's just basically like a spoof version of Jason Bourne. So that's, that's what memes is running with, but he's so endearing that I think Will Arnett like wants to actually do the movie and provide the funding for it. So you got, you got Will Arnett going from hanging out with Bradley Cooper, making a movie with him to now knock it on Chicklet's memes door and wanting to collaborate with, with an all-time great

So as long as those memes keep on coming, I don't give a fuck what he does outside of work But hopefully we can all get a role inside that movie. So very very cool experience for me You know, it will has been like unreal to us I mean shan he's the one who introduced us to him, right and Unfortunately, he's not gonna be coming back with the Toronto Maple Leaf so I kind of feel bad like he introduced me to a new friend and then he loses his job like I just got to be very supportive of him right now and continue to rock my ambassador Jack you guys have to give those back now that shanice gone how's that well here I guess I'll show

you the alterations we made quickly there'll be a call coming from from Toronto I think like we're gonna need those things back. There's a UPS box outside of your house with the label already made. Put the jacket. No, no, they wouldn't even pay for the label. It's like you can pay to return it too. Good job. And then you know what? Soon enough, you know, maybe maybe you guys get some. I wasn't I wasn't What was it? What's that? Wherever Shani goes you can you could be an ambassador for that team? Well, yeah, I'll just add

The island added to the team list. Yeah, but I wasn't gonna do this You guys brought up the alt cast and then all of a sudden I got the ambassador jacket on Let me take the sticker off After a few days of thinking you guys are gonna think I'm crazy But how this series has gone with Carolina, I would offer Marner eight times 12, take it or leave it. And I would consider rolling it back and bringing JT if he's willing to bring a hometown discount. I would, I would, I, it's kind of like, like I'm addicted to a drug and I just we know I want to prove people wrong with that core

Four and just warning the following statements are about to be made by a deranged Leafs fan The views expressed are his and is only take everything you hear with a grain of salt because remember he is a deranged Leafs fan There are great timing. There are people losing their mind right now that we're talking Leafs. The fact that we're talking, but I wasn't going to talk long about them. I just want to add on in a jacket. I just wanted to say that I would offer Marner eight times 12. I'd say you're a coward. If you don't take this, you still have some things to prove here. We've put a lot of money in your jeans Let's roll it back. Let's hit this fucking gym this summer enough with the fucking boat on the skoka

It's not even that good a boating Sam. Gagne is full of shit Let's hit the fucking gym and let's win a mug here with this core for let's go You're listening. Yes. I'm tomorrow. I'm Marner's listen. I believe in you. I believe it you at eight times twelve I still think that's a little bit of an overpayment based on what we've seen come crunch crunch time, but Let's roll it back and that means nice has to take eight times eight He has to take a little bit of a slight discount and then so does Marner You know what taking a discount has been it's just it's been what the Leafs do. So I think that this could work.

It's what they're known for. Guys take discounts. Guys want to win. It's just that's Maple Leaf hockey. So we'll see next year. Maybe the core four returns last week was eight times eight from Marner. He just gave. Yeah, I agree. I'm saying he's 32 more million because of Carolina playing this bad.

But we shouldn't't Carolina got a win Let's just let's just let's just pump Carolina's tires for a minute. We'll get to that series But because Craig Ludwig is gonna be joining us, I believe at 930 20 minutes I think we have to talk Oilers stars. I know that that Florida Carolina was last night, but this has been Incredible even even for me and the expectations I had Edmonton in seven that Florida Carolina was last night. But this has been incredible. Even, even for me and the expectations I had Edmonton in seven, um, I didn't see it going like this so far where I mean, we're talking, the Oilers have, have looked much better than the Dallas stars.

And after game one, the collapse in the third period through game two, I mean, basically what 108 of 120 minutes through game two, the Oilers, I mean, dominated this team and it's all based kind of on five on five hockey. I mean, you look at the Oilers scoring depth, what they're getting. I mean, Connor McDavid leaves the play, leaves the playoffs and scoring. Ron Tannen and Leon are tied for second with 21 points. McDavid has 22. But the Oilers have been so good with their depth and other players that it's not even a huge storyline that McDavid and Leon continue to do what they do, averaging around one and a half points per game in the playoffs,

their third and fourth all time. We've mentioned that for a while. I mean, it's been four years that these guys doing it. But this year, it's everyone else with Edmonton and what they're doing doing and I think for me being a defenseman and the times I've ripped on Evan Bouchard This guy he is getting 10 million. So for any fans out there not a 10 million player. No, no He's actually maybe more than a 10 million dollar player this guy every playoff gets better and better You saw him score the huge goal to start it out in game three in Dallas. So the Oilers lead two one.

I will say last game, Stuart Skinner won him that game boys. I mean, he was phenomenal. Second period game three, uh, in particular, just amazing save after amazing save. He robbed Wyatt Johnson once he robbed Blackwell, I think at the beginning of maybe the first period. But we have to talk about the breaks the Oilers got in game three, because I'm not a real fan if I'm not going to sit there and admit that a little bit of a ref show that the Oilers really, really were on the right side of. And it all kind of started with the Kulak over the glass penalty. I'm wondering your guys' opinion. So they showed the replay. We're kind of watching.

I was with Bunzo Keith. He was over the house. We're watching. And they showed the replay of the puck going over the glass. And I kind of just figured like kids are running around like, oh, penalty. Bouchard comes down and scores quick. I'm like, oh, shorthanded goal. I'm like, wait, wait, wait. I just like I was like, how was that? How did that not get called? It was pretty blatantly over the glass. Well, the refs got together, decided that they didn't have one of the refs saying, listen,

I saw it for sure not get tipped. To me, I don't know why you don't call it because then it can be challenged, but you can't not call it and have Dallas say, listen, like, go back and look at this. So maybe look at it like you call the penalty. It's almost like the way they call majors now, then they can be reviewed. You can rescind them. You can. So I Dallas stars fans had a legit gripe with that one. And not only did not only did they get screwed on the non-call, the Oilers got two goals in what would have been the power play. So I don't know what your opinion was on that biz or Keith But we got lucky and we also got lucky because there was a quick whistle

I forget the Dallas player the puck was never tied up and took it like off Skinner's pad They blew the whistle quick could have been a goal there shouldn't have been a whistle So oilers very lucky with the refs game three. I think in order win a mug man You got to get some breaks along the way and even going back to the game before like we had the I was arguing with People online about the Darnell nurse on route Bay hence So he ends up taking warm-up in game three doesn't end up playing that's also a huge loss. So I Don't know how quickly you guys want to dive into that but going back to what you said about game three with yeah the over The glass and the fact that they respond with two goals under a minute.

And I don't know, man, with McDavid playing the way that he's playing so far in this series. And I know you said he only had three goals heading into that game, but he was in a full McJesus mode in that one. Like Harley tries to pinch on him. He fucking put the afterburners on great little give and go between him and Nudge who's been after I felt like maybe the LA series he was a little bit quiet but since then man Nudge has looked a lot like he did that year that he put up the hundred points and like I said when McDavid's doing

the things that he was doing in game three he's fucking unstoppable. The rotten and he tried to pinch off on the wall and get going north I believe that was what the third or fourth one and even though Dallas dominated that second period they had coming out on top and And get a few of those late goals. So Really everything going Edmonton's way right now Including Skinner who you said who stole the show? I thought he was first star in that hockey game like it was all Dallas in that second period. It was an onslaught. I think he had 20 stops. Uh, but it is just, uh, yeah, it's unbelievable. Now. Do you guys want to dive into the, to the

Inglewood shop from Darnell nurse on route pay hints or what the love tap? So I'm joking. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's a great discussion, right? Like obviously Edmonton fans are going psycho online calling it a love tap. But I agree with Pete DeBoer though. And I know it's a double standard because it's not McJesus. But if Harley gave a half wind up to McDavid's foot there and McDavid's foot was broken, like Oilers fans would be having a fucking meltdown. Like they would be filing a lawsuit like the Canadians did when Patch Reddy got put through the fucking Dasher board by Chara. Like, could you imagine Whit talking right now if that was McDavid's foot that got broke?

I would like to think that I would still stand by the point that that play happens legit a hundred times a year. I mean, Biz, you think that that, it was not a huge over the shoulder windup. It caught him in the perfect, now not perfect spot for the Dallas Stars and Rupee Hins, but like, it was not a major. There's no way if you look at the replay that's a major. And it's not a suspension, it was bad, it was a dirty play, it was a Stanley Cup playoff type play and it was really bad luck

Correct and my issues with more of the deranged idiots online who root for the oilers saying that that like oh He's diving all over the ice It's like ah he gave it a pretty hard half wind up got him with the heel on the stick Right in an area that we know Chris pronger chimed in he goes. Oh, yeah He goes I used to get guys there all the time There's a nerve down there on your foot and it'll shoot up your whole fucking leg And he knew exactly where to go for half of them were saying that he they that he got him in the shin pad And i'm like, what are you talking about? You got him right on the top of the laces. Yeah

And I don't I don't know if you ended up switching over to using those shot blockers Where I felt like most guys would be wearing them nowadays. It feels like guys have actually moved away from wearing the shop blockers. Yeah, I switched over in New York. Everyone had to wear them. They had to wear the ones on your feet and then like the thing on your hand, which you see more and more guys wearing the ones on your hands. You see more and more guys wearing the ones on your hands. I think it's one of those things where it's stupid not to just because as a defenseman too, you stand in front of the net.

So many pucks can get, you know, redeflected and hit you in the foot and, you know, missing a game, especially in playoff time. Like you're missing Rupay hints, which I mean, he tried to take warm up. So clearly he's hurt. Um, you know, they could miss him the rest of the series. Like why not just wear those shop walkers and then you can kind of, I don't think that really, especially how fast he skates, like he's not going to lose a step from it. Like especially during playoffs,

I would make my guys wear them or at least try to get them convinced to wear them. But yeah, I think that, I think you explained it perfectly. What I think it was, you know, a dirty play, but it happens all the time, when I think it was, you know, a dirty play, but it happens all the time, but it was an unfortunate, you know, where it hit him and you know, he probably did break his foot, right? Like I would think so. He was wearing a walk in boot post game after game two. So it just goes back to the breaks where like, like no pun intended, like that happens.

They don't get the call. They ended up losing that game. Uh, and then followed into game three where you get the puck over the glass. And I mean, shut out to Emily Kaplan as soon as they don't call that penalty. And then they get two goals in the back of their net in less than a minute. He wheels on the bench and she's right in the Boar's grill being like, what'd you make of the non call? Like right? I'm like, oh no. No, I know it's like he was gonna headbutter My kids were like how mad do you think that coach is right now? And I'm like, I don't know how he's doing this interview Like I would I would have just walked down the other end of the bench man

Like I cannot do this right now not right now and shout out to her like that's her job she had an incredible interview she had an incredible interview with Skinner after game two it was awesome he's talking about you know the ups and downs and and how like the team's like a family and how many people are in his corner all these things like great questions by her when she walked she couldn't have been thrilled to have to go to the bench there. And he said that, he probably, he gets the tap on the shoulder and she's there.

He, I can't imagine his head, like what a pro De'Boris. He's like, give me that fucking mic. Just sing along motherfucker. Gary you motherfucker. He's yelling at the head of officials. But yeah, I was like, oh man, that's a tough, like that's a tough interview to have to give. So you guys just got screwed on a non over the glass delay game penalty, then gave up two goals. And this is kind of a disaster.

What do you think? It reminded me of it reminded me of like when your dad's already pissed off at you and then you have like a homework assignment do that. Like they have to go get something at the store for you at 10 o'clock at night and you're like, Hey dad, Oh no. Like what? Yeah. Yeah. That was a family show.

Yeah. Shout out to Emily for, for walking right inside of that one. Um, I think that, you know, quickly on Dallas, like looking here though, a lot of the discussion was of their depth, right? And you, we went through their lines and the players on each line and how good they are offensively, but they're not getting much. I like right now Wyatt Johnson and plus minus is different now than it used to be looked at. He's minus 17.

Dushane's minus 13. Harley's minus seven. Jamie Benz minus eight. Like they five on five are not even close to the Oilers and they weren't really close to the Colorado Avalanche either. So I'm kind of shocked. Like looking here, I mean, you look at the goals, right? Like Rupe Hintz has two five on five goals.

Grandlin has two five on five goals. Wyatt Johnson has two five on five goals. Sagan has three. Duchenne has none. It's been kind of something where, I mean, Robertson got on the board with that tip. He didn't even know he scored. He didn't even know he scored. He's like, I got that one, which actually could be great for him. Maybe just getting one, even though you didn't know you touched it, can get you going. I thought Bischel scored that goal. That Bischel is

going to be good good by the way he He reminds me of like a better skating Doug Murray. I'm sure San Jose Sharks fans listening Remember Doug Murray just a machine. Yeah, but bench-pret like that's like the size of Bischel now at the end of game one When Dallas had that amazing comeback in the third period? Don't know what he was thinking with kind of turtling with with Corey Stinger with his vagina that's what he was thinking with buddy you can't be fucking turtling I know that instance that's such a bad like morale things when you're that big Corey Perry the guy's collecting social

security he's a buck 80 what the fuck man you're six six six seven two hundred thirty pounds buddy You gotta eat more than that. Yeah, you better eat a couple on the chin If you fuck it for your team man, you you you turtle and then obviously peria in old-school fashion Mocking them and rightfully so I felt like the series turned on a dime at that instance. I haven't and I Agree and as an oilers, that third period and our stream our stream where one of the craziest streams we've ever done, put it this way, it ended up with us like play by playing the Indiana

Pacers New York next game one, I believe. So like, I don't know what happened. Big Cat came on. Blutman came on immediately. The Oilers gave up five unanswered in the third period It was it was a nightmare, but the next morning. I'm sitting around. I'm kind of reading about the game. I'm like I'm still very confident in the oilers because they had controlled that entire game five on five mostly third period stupid penalties awful PK, but Everything kind of turned out to be what I thought it

could be in games two and three. So awesome spot. A couple numbers here. This is courtesy of Jason Greger, who does a great job covering the Oilers all year. The Oilers are 10 and 2 in their last 12 playoff games. They've dominated LA, Vegas, and Dallas by outscoring them 48 to 29, and it's because so many players are producing. The Oilers have eight players with four plus goals in the last 12 games. Four plus goals

is a 27 goal pace for an 82 game season. So you think of like what guys are doing. I mean, like Zach Hyman, he has over a hundred hits. I think he has 115 hits right now. Thanks, Gubas. The most he ever had in a season was like 101 in 82 games. And he's scoring now, he had two beautiful goals in game three, the breakaway goal to make it 4-1, and then that pass by Evander Kane, that's sauce. Oh, it was a bit of a wobbly sauce, a little bit of a wobbly sauce. I thought it was creamy, nice sauce.

Yeah, a little ragu meat sauce He's the ninth player since 2006 with four goals four or more goals and a hundred hits in one postseason And we're you know he could have a possible ten games left Why do we get glad we gave all the boys 11 million out of their entry level so we couldn't bring Zach Hyman back Great job in fact, though run it back level so we couldn't bring Zach Hyman back. Great job. Bring it back though. Run it back. I just yeah, the the the five on five play. And I will I will also say this, there is so much discussion about the rematch. The rematch of last

year's cup final, which I think happened in 83 and 84 with the Oilers and the Islanders. The Islanders won the first one, the Oilers won the second, Gretzky's first cup. And then it happened in 08, 09 with the Penguins where I was on the losing team. And then they got the next season, Sid grabbed his cup. So it is setting up for Gretzky, Crosby, McDavid to kind of all do it the same way. I don't want to hear the rematch discussion yet. Florida, yes, you're in the finals. Edmonton, this series is far from over.

If we can get the game tonight, then I feel a lot different. But if Dallas shows up and this thing's 2-2, all the discussion of the Stanley Cup rematch will make me sick because Dallas ain't going away. Go ahead, Viz. Zach Hyman nugget, career high and 82 game season is 117 hits. This is from G in the chat. He has 109 through 14 games.

No way. He's leads in it. Did you already did? We'd already read this off. Yeah. Oh, I didn't do I must have blocked out during that one. And last thing before we throw it to Ludwig, can we roll that clip of the board getting interviewed by Emily Kaplan? So everybody has a reference and we can

ask Ludwig about it. And maybe if he was watching how much he had a laugh, I can't do the clip either. He already said this. No, no. He said that they have the clip ready. The other one they couldn't do. He's talking about, he's talking about the post game where he gave the McDavid line, not the interview. Can't show the interview. Can only show the,'s talking about the post game where he gave the McDavid line, not the interview, can't show the interview. Can only show the can only show the post game where he's like, if this was McDavid, Whitney would be losing his mind and like, okay, outside his driveway flipping out screaming at neighbors about it.

So you can only show certain clips, but not others. But let's bring in like we're back here. We do a couple ads. We got a couple ads here. We're going to start this thing. Sorry, I got to get over. I'm trying to balance some things here. We're going to start game time guys. NHL playoffs are here. God, somehow they're almost over in a way. But the only place to buy hard to get playoff tickets is Game Time, the official ticketing partner of Barstool Sports with killer last minute deals, all in prices,

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ate shots, he got in front of an in guys faces in the crease and he actually interviewed us years ago years ago at the Nashville Predators Dallas Stars outdoor game at the Cotton Bowl. Let's bring them in Craig Ludwig Good morning guys What's up, Craig? How you doing? I'm doing good. That seemed like Light years away from that. I know again. I know Craig Also, I want to mention Craig is the host, the co-host of the DLS Stars podcast. So talk to us, Craig. Where are you at? Are you panicking? Are you actually calm? What

did you think of the non over the glass penalty? I mean, there's a bunch of different things you could kind of start this series. Can I bring up a little nugget first about that outdoor game? That was the one where, uh, Corey Perry got kicked out in the first period and had to do that long shame ever. The worst walk of shame going. Do you remember that? Lud? Hey, that was a, that was the walk of shame.

Remember how long it took him to get out of there? It, you know, he's walking halfway across the football field. So yeah, I'm sure he would like to a little shorter route to get out of there. So yeah, it was, it was a good event. You know, you guys did a great job. I remember I had to bring up though the pink Whitney, I was like, well, what the hell's going on here? Like, isn't this what your big thing is? And yeah, exactly. You guys had nothing out there. Nothing. So and I actually come from at 7am or about 730. We started doing a little thing with that Belfort and so for his new product He had Belfort spirit. So it was one of those kind of days It was it was a long long morning long afternoon, but had a great time with you guys. Yeah Great. So what do you want? What do you want to know something? I want to know something

I actually just thought of this as as as a defenseman who played hard was physical maybe dirty at times what did you think of the darn owner slash are you like wit you're an idiot that is not something that happens happens commonly he should have gotten a major and maybe suspended or are you on the side of like just a horrible break and just caught him in the perfect spot but not a major. It's part of the game. You know, I, I, you know, we have now on, on our show on DLS there, um, we're, we're doing these watch along parties, right? We're all the away game. So, and Brent Severn comes on with us. So we just kind of sit there and talk the whole, the whole game through

and things like that. Anyway, when, when they brought it, when it was brought up again, Seve and I just looked at each other, like, you know other. That's part of the game, that's just what you do in front of the net. And I looked at Nurse and nobody really talked about it. It wasn't bad, but Rupay kind of gave him a little cross check in the back right before that. And so Nurse knows where he is, he doesn't even look back.

I mean, it's kind of an instinct thing. You know what side of the body he's on, You kind of have a general idea where his feet are. And, you know, you're trying to make it uncomfortable for people there. So, you know, I don't think we felt that it was, you know, one of those two-handers. I definitely don't think it was a major. I understand, you know, the whole walking boot and leaving the game. I get that. That's part of posturing for that kind of stuff. So, and if you do it enough, that particular play, you kind of know where you're aiming for. There's that certain part of the foot that is a little more exposed.

And even in today's game, I always thought all these guys are wearing those shot blockers, you know, or have something in there and their tongues of their skates or something. So, um, you know, again, no, I didn't think of what I do agree though. And I, I'll tell you what, the first thing I said when the show was over and I didn't say it on the show then I did say it the other day, but. I kind of expected him to be walking out of there with a boot on just walking out of there with a boot on isn't that what? you do and

you know if it was the other way around it probably happened too and and But I agree with how Pete tried to go about it You know you're trying to set a tone for the next game and things like that and and there is a lot of talk here obviously with the fans about that. But, you know, the majority of the talk, and rightly so is where's the response? You know, is there going to be a response? And, and you guys all know, I mean, that's game two. So you're not going to go out and put yourself in trouble early on in a hockey game and game three.

You know, if there's a, if there's the right place and time, which possibly could have been after that fourth goal, there's maybe five minutes to go in a game. But then on the other side of the coin, Jim Neal and Pete and those guys that have put this team together and have run it so well for the last few years, it's not really their identity, you know, to be that kind of a team, you know, if it's not Jamie, Ben doing things like that or sticking up for, you know, his teammates, um, there's not really a ton of guys that, that jump into that mode. I was just going to ask about Jamie, Ben, cause you mentioned like, who could

respond in that regard. I feel like he's maybe been a little bit quiet this series so far like I feel like he's the type of guy who needs to impose his will and strike a little bit of fear and Edmonton's eyes where don't know if that's realistic I think that I really like the way that Edmonton's built they got a few guys like Kane who can handle that type of business but Among him and who others needs to step up for the Dallas stars in order to get back in the series, because I feel like they got a

few guys missing also. Yeah. You know, I think that you have to look at again, what I would say is it has to be for this particular group. I think it's gotta be a team toughness kind of thing, you know, but I do look at the guys on the backend, Lee and Bischel, you know, we obviously, you know, big guy and we see, everybody knows about how game one unfolded with Perry and all that kind of

stuff. You talk about Perry. Again, I get it. So, but, but I, you know, I look at, you know, the other guys that are on the back end, whether it's LeBouchkin's in there CC, you know, who's ever in there that particular night, I think they can be a little bit more physical, but again, it's not in there. I, you know, it's not the identity of that team in front that particular night, I think they can be a little bit more physical. But again, it's not in there. I, you know, it's not the identity of that team in front of the net, which is one of the things I've probably chirped about the most, you know,

making it a little bit more uncomfortable for players to what, you know, I mean, you guys want to come into the front of the net a lot of times, you know, especially on the better players, you know, you make it difficult on them and they kind of shy away a little bit. And so, you know, that's that it goes back to our day and doing that. But, but I, and I, I'd be honest with you, I missed the Times red belt for, you know, you know, Eddie would tee off on a few guys there too, right? So, but, but again, that's not who they are.

And I think that, but back to Pete, I, I agree with how we, Pete's a lawyer, right? I mean, he, he knows how to speak and he puts it out there pretty good. And he tap dances around some things the way that you should in the comments. I think he's been a little testy the last couple of days, testier than I've seen him in some of the interviews. But to be able to use that reference that if it was McDavid and all that kind of stuff, you know, maybe there would be a little bit more hype about it. I'm not sure. But again, I think you play through things. Here's what I said yesterday, in my opinion, and I saw some video last night of Hintz

skating. He looked really good with one of the coaches, I believe, and he looked really good. But, uh, regardless of where he's at, you know, is he 60% is he 70%? We all know there's ways that you can get into the game and you can make it through that, you know what I'm saying? But Kilmer, shut your mouth if you knew it was good for you. Yeah. I think, I think he has to play tonight. And the reason I say that is, again, I guess if we're going back to old school, he makes the difference when he's out there with his speed.

He can back people off. He opens up a little bit more room for for Grandland and Miko and things like that. But it just seems to me like this is such a pivotal game in this series that, you know, if he can get in there and let's say Roop gets in there, he plays well, they have the outcome. That's great. And if he doesn't play for some reason, it's so sore. Again, they don't the alternative is not that they can't win without them, but if they go down three to one, because you miss that part of that game, I think that, I think the swap out as long as he's cool with the thing and would, would be willing to get in there and play being down three, three one versus two, two, and not having them in game five is the way I look at it.

Well, I mean, you played when I don't even think they had shot blockers. Did you ever break a foot and what would be your response? Just shoot the thing up, put me in coach type of thing. Biz, I go back and I've been asked that obviously lots of times. And I remember I go back to Boston and we were playing in the garden and it was before our playoff game. And I was on the, I was on the table next to Ganey and we were both getting shot up and at that time and Bo looked and I was young, you

know, I was probably my third, fourth year, whatever it was. And, and he just kind of looked over at me and Bob, if you've ever had a chance to talk to me, he talks very slow and very deliberate and he looked over at me and he goes, let's, you know, why we do this, right? And I just, and I've learned after the first couple of years is I think more before I answer his questions because he has these ways of going, he'll give you an answer, he looks at you,

he looks back again, he looks up at the ceiling, he looks at you, and he hasn't said a damn thing yet. And then he'll go, no. And so you're like, oh, the wrong, I the wrong answer. But but really what it was, he goes, here's the reason why we do this. He goes, and I said, you know, because we want to play, I mean, less money. He goes, that's why we do this. And that stuck with me for a long time. So you play through those things. And, but Biz, to go to your question about the spot, back to Ganey, he had said to me, probably, I think it was, it could have been the year we won the cup or maybe a year before that. He looked at me one day and he glared, you know what you ought to do? You ought to come up

with a shot blocker. I'm like, what? And he goes, you ought to make something for your skates for tongue. Like, I think it'd be a good idea. You know, you're getting it in the feet and all this stuff. And, you know, we would take that plaster pair of stuff, and you kind of mold it around your foot and try to get your skating there. And now looking back a couple years ago, I thought of again, it's you know what, I wouldn't probably have to be doing half the things I'm doing if I had to come up

with some idea about them. Guys are all wearing them shot blockers and things like that. Right? Yeah. Or mold in the shin pads. I mean, that's what you're famous for. We have a lot of young listeners with Okay, let's get this. Let's get this straight right now. Okay. Like it went from from parking my car on them and flattening them out and all these things. I got those shin pads when I got to the University of North Dakota.

I walked on my freshman year, made the team and I got used equipment. My shoulder pads, my shin pads. Anyway, over the course of a few years, they started to crack. And I probably wore three, four pair of skates in my entire career. I hate new stuff. I cannot stand it. I despise it. And I, and so our trainer in Dallas, and they kept cracking. One day I was taking my skates off, and I took it off and my socks were full of blood. And I thought, well, what the hell, I didn't get, I don't remember getting hit with a shot. And anyway, when I took my shin pad off, there was a piece of that plastic that was stuck in my shin. So I must have got hit by a pocket stuck in it. I went to the trainer and I said, Smitty, we got to fix these. And he goes, Lutz, I got shelves of new shin pads. I said, anything can happen. Let's fix it. So what he did is he took that stuff, that plaster parish stuff, and you heat it up and you put it over your wrist and things

like that, and you know, to protect you a little bit. Well, what happens and he put rivets on it. So we riveted it on over that crack. So at least if I got hit again, I probably wouldn't have that stuff sticking in my shin fat. But what happens when that stuff cools, it just starts to straighten out and expands. And so that's how they actually became so wild. I must've had rolls of tape on there trying to pull them in. I couldn't get them in.

Cause let me tell you, there were times when I was skating up the ice and I'd have to have guys tell me, that's fucking insane. That's photo. That's you cross over. That has photoshopped. I know it's, it's awful. It's not photos.

Well that they're not as bad as that looks to be honest with you. That was so bad. I'll tell you. You have two refrigerators on your legs. You're wearing a refrigerator. Yeah, okay. So they're wider than the pants. With you, you could skate. Biz, you couldn't skate. Neither can I. Right? So you know how hard it is for us to skate just

in general. So what would happen is those pads on the inside would click. And there'd be times I'd come back and, and a lot of times it was Zuby's like Zuby, he'd say, look, look at your shin pad. One of them would be facing straight ahead, because the tape came off and I didn't even realize it. So it was a bit of a pain. But I'll tell you what, the older you get, and the slower you get, the less distance you have to travel to get into a shot lane with those kind of things, because you're kind of already in a lane. So and I'll be honest with you. It was nice, because you know, I was a guy guy that played and I had to play against people. I had to learn their tendencies. I always felt that if I knew where you want to go first, and I get there first, you have to go to plan B. So I got a bit of an advantage. So I would I knew the shooters versus the danglers, and I knew the guys that wanted to shoot between your legs. There's something about it that bothered them too. And even if I, even if I didn't get it, they were thinking about it. And so it kind of helped me in that way too. And I just believe in, I try to have our

players at our U18 team talk about it all the time. Like you guys have to learn what players do. Like you may be that guy that likes to come across the offensive blue line and, you know, curl up and all that. Fedorov, there was one time with Fedorov, and this was, and I had Rick Wilson as our coach for a long time. I had him in college and I was not that defensive in that I could hold the blue line that well, obviously. Fedorov was coming down and it was just on the other side of center ice and it was right in front of the bench in Detroit. And I hear Wills yell to me, let's stand them up. And at the same time, I looked at him and I was skating backwards and I said, Yeah, right. And I kept on going. I backed up and Fedorov got in and got to the top of the circle and I didn't give him anything. So he curls to the wall. Our third man picks him up. I come back to the bench and I said,

Wills, did you seriously want me to stand up on Fedorov? He goes, Yeah, I have no idea what I was thinking. So it's just that was kind of part of what I had to do and those shin pads and that kind of stuff, those little details of that, I think, help you survive in the game for a long time. As a guy, a two-time Stanley Cup champion, right? And I think it was 13 years apart. You won it in Montreal and Dallas. You had Patrick Waugh, you had Eddie Belfort. When you watch Dallas now, do you think Autinger's a guy who could end up being a Stanley Cup champ? I mean, he's had some incredible runs. He's very good usually after a loss in the playoffs, but I think in the Western Conference Final, he might be five and 10 now in his career, a pretty bad record. Do you believe that he is a guy that could lead a team to a Stanley Cup though, watching them all year?

Yeah. And the reason is, coming down the stretch this year, the last seven, eight games of the regular season, Dallas wasn't good. And I'm a big believer of you got to be playing some of your best hockey heading into the playoffs. And Jake wasn't good either. He wasn't Jake. So there's a different standard there. I think when we watch Ottinger play now, we know what he's capable of. And when he's on, he's on. There's no doubt in my mind, he's one of the top three or four goaltenders in the league.

But I'm like, and again, we were groomed to be in teams that you're playing your best hockey at that time of the year. And I'm like, this isn't like light switch. You don't just turn it on, turn it on at the start of the playoffs. Well, when the playoffs started against Colorado and I picked Colorado to win because of those reasons and Jake was unbelievable and he was able to just turn the switch and so I don't, and here, after, after the Winnipeg series, I look at it and I go, this team has to be better. Like they have to be better five on five because right now they've gotten through Colorado who obviously made a lot of changes, maybe too many changes. But anyway, they made a lot of changes. They still have superstar players. Obviously Winnipeg best team in the league. I just think that it's Rantman and it's Otter. That's what got them, in my opinion, of course there's other things that are in there a little bit, timing of power plays and things

like that. But because of those two guys, that's what got them to me, the majority of it, through two rounds. And so to answer your question, long-winded, Jake Ottender, yes, he can be that guy. And now what you see from Jake, you see this calmness, very different than the other two goalies that you brought up. Them two guys can be wing nuts, especially Eddie. But Jake, it doesn't seem like anything rattles him, whether it's a, it's a poor goal that he thinks is a bad goal, the chaos that goes around him at times. I could see this year, there were times that he was getting frustrated with some of the things that were going on in front of him, coverage-wise. And, but, but he, you know, you can see it, you can see how they, a puck goes in and they kind of look at that defenseman for, you know, for a little bit too long. You're kind of sending a message to whoever, you know, and I think that's just natural.

So, but yeah, he's been so good and he, a lot of times he makes things look easy and along with some of the crazy saves that he's made. Greg, you mentioned how it's, you know, mostly Ben Otter and Miko and you look at Florida and you look at Edmonton, they're getting contributions from up and down their lineup. Does that worry you guys in Dallas at all? And especially Robinson, I look at him, he doesn't look like he has the last two, three years, like, is there something going on with him that, I mean, obviously, everybody's banged up right now, but is there any worry that you guys aren't

getting the depth scoring that these other teams are? When you mention Florida for sure, they're a different kind of animal. I look at the makeup of their team, the bite that we talk about, some of the players that they have, and I think that's what makes Edmonton a little bit different because of the Pudskolen or Pudkolen or whatever the hell his name is and you know, and Perry and Kane and you know, and you mentioned guys mentioned, you know, Hyman before and I knew like he where he generally was in the regular season, he was somewhere around a hit for game in the regular season. So he has just been a different he's been a different player. It it what it is, it's a it's a team that said we need a little bit more of this. They made a couple of adjustments, added a couple of players,

brought that kind of kind of element into the game. But they're they bought into that part of the game. When you've got Zach Hyman being that guy and, you know, McDavid plays that way now, too. I mean, I don't think people give McDavid enough for credit for sticking his nose in there at times. So, but I think it all runs through, obviously him and, you know, 29 there. But you can, you just watch the way those two go about their business during games. And there's a, there's a different level to their, to their attitude and the way that they, there was the goal that was scored, and Ben Bizz, you guys sit there and watch it all. And that last game, I believe there was a power play. Edmonton had a

power play. And there was, and I think it was in the second period, it was right, it had just ended, and then McDavid had scored a goal. But at the end of it, they kept, everything stayed on the right hand side of the ice. So McDavid basically never touched the puck and the puck got cleared a couple different times. And right at the end, there was about 30 seconds left and you could see it on the camera, on TV, he kind of waved his hand like that. Like, I never touched the puck, I never got it.

Well, the next time he touched the puck, down he goes and all that kind of stuff. So it just seems like there's another Level coming off of the way that it ended last year for those two guys in particular and McDavid especially Yeah, they are they are on a mission. I don't think this series is over by a long shot I do want to bring up the fact that a lot of Oilers fans have said you know enough enough discussion about hints being injured in the nurse slash because Petrovic head-shotted Connor Brown and now he's out and he's been incredible.

I'll stick to giving my real opinion. I thought that was a great hit. Awful, awful circumstance what ends up happening, but I think Petrovic laid a perfect body check, so I'm not on the side of Oilers fans saying that's a head-shot. I thought it was a very physical play that had a brutal outcome, similar to the Hints one. Maybe, obviously, that was clean because it was a hit as opposed to a slash. So I do think that the bitching from the Oilers fans on the Brown one, I just think that's just a brutal time hit for Connor Brown to take. The other thing is that when they went down, when the orders were up two one in the second period

and Dallas was all over them, all over them, my buddy I was watching was said, this is when you need McDavid to just do something McJesus style and that's exactly what happened. And it's under a minute to go in the period. And I think Ron Tannen kind of overplayed it. Ron Tannen's on the D side and ends up getting in front of McDavid thinking he might get

the puck on the turnover and go down. Nope, it gets by him and McDavid buries that. So he did exactly what my friend said. That's the difference in Leon and McDavid is you have a well-rounded team, but then you have these two guys at any moment that can just pop off. And it kind of leads to my question for you. The two Cups you've won, you've seen Zubov in the playoffs, Madonna, you've battled against Sackett, Forsberg, all these legends. Have you ever seen maybe two guys this good when the playoffs come around? I mean, I'm sure you have, but this

is kind of a different level with Gretzky and Lemieux now. It is a different animal. And again, like I said, I just, I think they're committed to fixing what happened. That didn't happen in their favor last year. But yeah, and again, when you talk about those kind of guys, especially 97, it's by committee. You can't, and that particular play that you're talking about, Dallas, everybody knows, I complain sometimes about, well, probably quite a bit, about the man on man stuff in the zone.

And I think what you're seeing from Edmonton is the way that you get around that, is they do a lot of interchanging. They have these little moving picks and one, you know, puck carrier is going north and then somebody's coming south and either you either slide in between the player that's trying to cover the puck carrier or get on the outside. And so you have to have your head on a swivel. And I think that play that you're talking about with Brandon, like he, he actually, he follows the puck. He chases the puck. That's what happens. And so now all of a sudden there's that separation. And because other guys away from the puck are on their guys, there's more space because they're looking at where they're going. I mean, you know, I looked at one of the goals in the probably the last game,

the power play goal, and I think that's the one that got tipped, maybe R&H or somebody. But but it was mainly because Wyatt Johnston left him like he was there. And then he just kind of takes off and he moves up a little high and it opens up that space. That's how perfect you have to be when you play that kind of system. But yeah, with the way that those two guys are how perfect you have to be when you play that kind of system. But yeah, with the way that those two guys are playing, and you have to do, you know, you're really not going to contain them. They're going to get their chances, which goes back to Jake Ottinger, but goes, and also for me, goes back to, then we've got to make sure that we're in the areas of ice where they're shooting from less higher quality opportunities. So

they've got to be outside the tops of the circles if they can. You know, McDavid made a great shot. He used, I think it was Esa for a screen on that goal. You know, and again, that's, McDavid does McDavid things, right? That happens. But I just think that any time for McDavid, if you can get him with his speed and you take away the middle of the ice enough, especially on entries and rushes, if you can get him to go behind the net, it's better off than all the other alternatives. Because generally that means that if he's going behind the

net, now you're finally getting all five of your guys back into the defensive zone and then get down below the tops of the circles and try to keep things on the perimeter as much as possible, which is where, when that happens, now there should be a few chops on the ankles or on the wrists that you can get away with and make it a little bit more uncomfortable for people to wanna hang around the front of the net and let Jake see those shot lengths a little bit better. One other guy I was gonna ask you about, Wyatt Johnson, brutal plus minus, Whit mentioned it before you hopped on,

but it feels like that first year he had such a, an impact come playoff time. And there's been a significant drop off when the games have gotten more difficult. Like what are you seeing? Like, you know, what, what more can he improve on in order to make a difference in these games, especially in the conference final? I mean, Jan's already asked you about Robertson. Maybe you could add him in it too.

Like what are these guys need to do in order to make an impact, maybe even outside of scoring, because to me, Robertson is non-existent right now. And I know he came off injury, but these are two guys they need to make impacts, but specifically Wyatt Johnston. Yeah. And I'll start with Robo. I think that Robo for Robo, he has to score goals. You know, I mean, that's mean, that's what makes him go.

And I used to say this about Tyler a lot, Sagan. And I felt that when Tyler had a tough stretch, but she hasn't had many, when goals weren't going in, especially on the power play, I think sometimes they get a little bit further away from the net to get their shots, get their shots off and stuff like that. And I think it should be the opposite. I think you got to go to the front of the net because it doesn't matter how the puck goes in for those guys. They just need it to go in. And I think so.

And I to say that for Robo and you're 100% right. But this is kind of goes on with Robo sometimes during the playoffs. You know, I think he gets that reputation sometimes. That's playoff time. What's going to happen with Jason? But I will say that, you know, he's had a couple of injuries. He had one obviously at the end of the regular season, but the skating part of it is there. So there's no excuse in my opinion right there.

But I think what Robbo has done, there was a goal in game one, I think that Grandland scored on the power play. Robbo was the guy that was in front of the net with the screen. So that's just a little thing. But it, and then even the goal, and he did get credit for that goal the other night, which he didn't even know about. And I don't know if you guys saw it, but there was a shot on the bench after the goal was scored. Robbo came to the bench and they got, they got him and he was all pissed off. Like, and I think it was almost like, it was like, I got that puck, but they didn't credit it to him. So I was like, Oh, is he mad?

But then I saw in the interview after they told him that, you know, that was your goal. And he's like, Oh, I got that goal. I didn't know I got that goal. All of a sudden there seemed like, Oh, I got that goal. So maybe that's what it takes for Robo is to get that, you know, that goal to go in. As far as Wyatt goes, you know, I think they're trying to use him a little bit against using him for a matchup, because Wyatt can skate with, I'm not going to say anybody, you can't say with McDavid, but I think that they trust Wyatt enough that he can match up against the, whether it's Dry Cytl or McDavid be on the ice and those kinds of things at the same time, because of his skating ability and his hockey sense and things like that. And I just wonder sometimes

because you might have that added responsibility, you get a little too dialed into that responsibility. And you just have to go and do your kind of thing. Because he is such a great, and he's such a good player in the playoffs. I mean, he scores goals in the playoffs, he scores big goals. So I don't know if he's getting a little too, I got to be, because right now you might as well forget about your plus minus. You're probably not coming out on the plus side, even if you're a kind of a big-soul thing. So you might as well forget about that part and start putting pucks in that. And because again, we've seen that if they can get two or three goals, you know, and get them early, get a goal early on Skinner, there's a good chance that you might be able to get to that guy. So it's almost like you can't sit back and not be worried about getting scored against.

Play your game. That's the kind of team this is. It's been a team that gets on its front foot and, you know, they make the passes, they make the pretty plays, which playoff time, I'm not a big fan of that. You've got to just direct more pucks to the net. And when more pucks are getting directed to the net, the other two forwards or whoever it may, the other four players know, hey, we're putting pucks to the net. So they don't hang on the perimeter as much. They kind of go, well, it's coming to the net.

So now all of a sudden you get them. I might as well go to the net because that's what we're doing. We're shooting the net. So I just think a little bit more traffic can make it a little bit more difficult on Skinner. You saw in game one, I mean, there were a couple of times he was scrambling because there was people in his kitchen. And I think that bothers every goalie So I just think they need to add a little bit more of that Well, you know skinner gets a shutout or maybe gives up one or gives up like six

So yeah, I mean if you can get to him early the whole thing could change but piss do you have anything else for yeah? I mean, I figured we'd have to ask about Hayes skin and the fact that he came back from injury What have you seen so far? Does he still look like he's nursing it a little bit? Because I feel like for him, there's still like another gear there, maybe that we're not seeing. And hopefully we see it soon if they have any chance of coming back in the series. Yeah, Biz, I don't know if Miro is going to be 100% but even until next year, you know, he, I mean, he had a significant thing happen with him. Um, but I think game one, he came back and there was a particular play he was backing up and, and, and I don't remember who it was and, and he kind of, he had to cross over and it didn't turn out well.

And, but if we, again, he had an injury and he's been out for three months. So I expect that kind of thing. And we expect special things from him. I mean, he's such a great skater, but he's getting better every game. I still think that having to turn sometimes, he doesn't have the same quickness. But then a couple times where guys will get the middle of the ice or get the edge on him a little bit and where he would normally pivot and shut it down right away, that's not there. I think he probably has to learn or at least try to adapt to coming off an injury, the brace, the whole nine yards.

Maybe I have to give them a little bit more space. I'm usually really good at holding on. There was a play last year in the playoffs against McDavid. There was a turnover in the neutral zone. And I have no idea. And McDavid got it. And McDavid actually was headed towards Dallas' zone. Miro was heading up towards the Edmonton zone. And there was a turnover. McDavid actually was headed towards Dallas's zone. Miro was heading up towards the Edmonton zone and there was a turnover. McDavid was gone and Miro took two strides and he had the gap right there at the blue line. And I was like, I've never seen anybody be able to do that.

So that's the ability that he has when he's healthy. So I think he's still trying to get through some of that. So sometimes you might have to give a little more space than you used to to buy an extra second for yourself. Where he's coming around, Miro is the guy for me that one of the biggest bonuses offensively for him is the way he transports the puck out of his own zone. Because he doesn't, like with Thomas Harley, who's obviously taking it to another level this year, Harley is that pass.

He makes a long pass. He makes a good pass generally out of the zone. Miro picks it up and he skates. And for me, what happens is when Miro breaks down that first core check, however you have it set up, now he gets past the first guy, and as he starts to get into the blue line area, start getting into the neutral zone,

their coverage has to change a little bit because now somebody has to come to Miro because he's still skating through the middle of the ice. And Miro has the ability to see if he's coming from his left or his right, and he knows if he's coming from his left, he makes that pass up that side. And now you can create a three on two.

So Miro breaks things down with his skating ability, and that's what they need to get some more transition and create some more offense, you know, and outnumbered rushes heading into the offensive zone. Fucking right, Slud. You're on the ball, man. You know it all, man. The man knows his team. Well, hopefully, maybe they should listen to me then. You should be behind the bench with DeBoer, another coach, man. Add it to the staff.

Wear your shin pads on the bench. Nobody else could fit there. You'd be the only coach standing there. But thank you so much, Craig. Hey, listen, let me tell you one little thing about that. I got a letter. Oh man, this is 20 years ago. I got a letter from the hall of fame about those shin pads and I just kind of tossed it. I just thought, yeah, I wonder who's doing this. Cause I've gotten some of them things.

Then I got another one. Tossed it. Then I got a phone call and it was somebody from the hall of fame. Mr. Ludwig, I don't know. We sent you some letters. You know, we'd really like to have the shin pad, all this kind of stuff. And I said, yeah, right. Like who is this?

No, no, no, we're serious. So I got one more call. I didn't, I said, no, man, I said my kids want them, which, you know, they wanted to wear them for God's sakes. They wanted to play beer pong on them. Yeah. And you know what? They're, they're still the, I, and I would put duct tape on them, the color of the team

that we play. There's still duct tape on them from that particular team. They're all moldy on the inside. Anyway, I got one last call and I said, I'll tell you what, you can have the shin pads as long as you take me. I've never got a call back. I've never got a letter. Everything stopped.

So anyway, what was the question? I got all sidetracked. No, no, you should be getting inducted into the Hall of Fame to Stanley cups, veteran shot blocker and willing to get shot up by Kilmer style before games. You're the ultimate teammate. And I think they could throw you in the lineup and you could be a factor right now. Lud. I'd be a pylon is that's what I know. Well, you never skated that well so Changes you have to play with deficiencies, you know, I mean you got to know who you are and what you're good at

It's over 1200 games over 170 playoff games two cups. Thank you so much We appreciate it great catching up with you and we'll see what happens tonight Craig. We'll talk to you soon Yeah, thanks guys. Love listening to you. You're a legend Thanks so much. Lud guys before we get to trip Tracy to time I mean and who knows trip Tracy we needed that win He couldn't come on here after the sweep so can't wait to chat with him But we do have to talk about body armor This episode is brought to you by the body armor sports drink body armor has great tasting flavors like this one right here strawberry banana

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We got back pretty late last or in the morning after, wait, last night, but what a hot stove with Craig Ludwig. It made me reminisce because years ago at the Fox meetings on the ocean in California, boy, I had a session with Darrell Ray, the brilliant analyst. He was doing play by play at the time, and Craig was his color analyst and, you know, as a goaltender with dreams, did I ever love Craig Ludwig? And we just hot-stoved. He's got the tolerance of a rhinoceros. That was tremendous stuff, and I really enjoyed that sip in my coffee and a great memory of that session on the Pacific Ocean with Craig.

Yeah, great guy right there. And I'm interested to see or hear your thoughts after last night, because I think everyone watching the game was like, this is the Hurricanes team that we thought we'd see from the beginning of this series. We talked about the sweep two years ago and how close those games were. And I said, no chance it's a sweep this year. I talked about the sweep two years ago and how close those games were. And I said, no chance it's a sweep this year. I think the games are going to be just as close. Carolina looks very special this season. And then kind of disaster struck, right? At home, the first two games, then game three, blowouts. What were you thinking kind of going into not only the series, but game three back on the road after a disappointment at home.

So what are you thinking right now and what was your thought after games one and two of like, what is happening out there? Well, I mean, to go back to entering the series, I mean I've had the privilege of being here for 26 years and I have plenty of character defects, but I do have an elephant-like memory. I can remember their last win in the conference final before last night spending some quality time with Mark Reckie was a hurricane at the time after they beat Buffalo in game seven so

Can't hear him. Can't hear you right now. We lost you Tripp. I don't know if you're getting a phone call that's coming in that might be blocking the sound. Possibly. Still still muted. Why don't you do Biz voice on him. Just thinking that. Hey why don't you do the biz voice on Trip.

Because I would never do the biz voice to anyone else but you. I can't wait to hear I can't wait to get him back because he has been involved with the Hurricanes for so long. He knows the team. Until we get him back, I guess we can discuss like... Well, I think the last time they won an Eastern Conference Final game, Rod DeBaud had the game winner. That just tells you how long ago it was since they've won a game in the Eastern Conference Finals so um I don't know boys the issue for me after game three was the lack of fight and the lack of emotional investment from some of the guys in their lineup and I know that Shvetchnikov ended up bumping oh we got him back here you good trip? I boys I apologize it's a can you hear me? We got you now. We

got you back. You're back. I was like games one through three for you guys. Everything was falling apart, but we got you back. We're back on the rails. It's a running joke that, you know, you'd never think that I graduated from Harvard on the dumbest. I'm a tech dinosaur. And so even getting on this zoom with you guys is a real challenge. So hopefully now it sticks but I going back to you know the privilege of being here for so long I remember spending time with Mark recce after that game seven conference final win and you know it's been tough sledding to the ends of the earth so going into this series especially Florida coming off of their you know their game seven win in Toronto, I thought

that it was of paramount importance that Carolina get in front of the series and that streak. And at the very least go to Florida 1-1, ideally 2-0. It didn't happen. But I've always enjoyed through all the groups here, guys, that players know that I have a job to do, you know, but I'm in the trenches with them. And, you know, part of that is these last couple of days, you can't lose your belief. So especially with my morning coffee, I have to map out if Carolina gets back in the series, what it's going to look like. And I love the start last night in particular, because the moment you lose your belief, you're cooked. And I knew they needed to play not just their hardest,

but their smartest game in the series in the fourth game, because that's what frustrated me more than anything, guys, that they weren't playing to their identity. I know Florida is a different opponent than Washington was or New Jersey was, but if you're gonna go down, go down playing to your identity, and that identity just simply cannot involve the puck management mistakes

that they were making in the first three games. And they rectified that very impressively last night. When you were muted, Biz talked about the kind of lack of fight and push back after game three my thought after the first game was I I Understood what they were doing But I didn't agree with they were it seemed like they were trying to play Florida's game a little bit boss's bear shot the puck at Marshawn right things that is only gonna piss off Florida even more

It's almost like let let the sleeping Giants sleep a little bit and just try to outskate them and I would shoot them the way Carolina's won so many games, but they went into it and almost tried to bully them Then it turned around where you have you know, you have Kachak cross-checking Ah-ho for payback on the hit against Reinhardt you have Gostis bear where Marshawn goes Adam He keeps his gloves on like did you see them kind of not playing their game? As you just mentioned and trying to rough up Florida when when that isn't their identity and were you as confused as that as I was and trip I was actually like I like the fact that's fetch bump Bob like to me it was like, okay

All right, like they got fucking swept two years ago He's coming in with a little bit more jam, especially as one of their power forwards where they're clearly outsized and outmatched in that department. But it told me that he was emotionally invested early. I guess the problem was there wasn't much of a follow-up, especially from some of the other guys as well.

You know, Biz, I did not mind that bump from Svechnikov. And you remember with his knee injury, he wasn't available in that conference final two years ago. So, and that was a huge loss. Max Patch already had torn his Achilles for the second time too. So you were up against it. But I agree with Whit wholeheartedly.

Even in the first period of game one where Carolina was pretty good, you know, I thought they were they were trying to prove to the hockey world that they can be just as physical and nasty as the Florida Panthers. I thought Gostisbear was as dangerous as the players they had in that game. I'd love to see him stay as covert, stay covert like a Navy SEAL. You know, and I was this will probably this might not go over well with, you know, my wonderful passion with our wonderful, huge Kaniak fans. But you know, I was going back and forth

with Tom Wilson this morning, cause I love Tom Wilson. I still think he sets the bar when it comes to scary guys that can play the game at a high level. And that's what Carolina did so well against Washington. I know that Washington is not Florida, but number one, they only chased the game really once in game two, and they played whistle to whistle against,

I thought Tommy Wilson had a really good series. So the guy that sets the bar for me really could never be a factor. And they lost that identity of who they are early in the series. It was like they were trying to prove that they've taken these big time steps. And I like game three a lot better. I liked where they were at early in the third period. They had that early kill, you know, really unfortunate and a big time turnover from Taylor

Hall and all of a sudden Florida lowers the boom and last night from the the opening face-off right and you know the first win is usually the hardest and it didn't come easily but I love the way that they played to their identity and now they're gonna have to be even more desperate tomorrow night at home and they can't come off of that at all. And then going away from Freddie for a game three and then going back to him, obviously they get blown up out in that game and you got to go back to him. Do you think that was part of their plan? Like, you know, Freddie can reset.

He's been amazing for you guys, all, all playoffs. And was it kind of one of those things you think Rod was like, Hey, listen, if we said him and we somehow get a win or even a loss, like if he can come back in and he can be our guy that we know he can be. You know, I, you know, cause I, I, I'm not a guy that, you know, has a, a gut instinct decision. And then if it doesn't work out that, you know, I'm a revisionist and I felt that it was the right time to go to coach at cough, you know you know, Freddie going back to that previous Eastern conference final against Florida.

There was a sweep Ron to play game two, but you know, he hadn't been able to come up with a win. You know, I didn't fault him at all. He was the least of their problems in the first two games, but you didn't get those saves early in particular that you needed. Kochetkov had always risen to the occasion against Russian goaltenders. His numbers had been really good against Bobrovsky. I loved him in the first two periods. Didn't like the hall turnover and didn't like how Ansi got with his stick as he was moving

from right to left on Boquist. So I agreed with that decision, however, it was going to play out. That's the way I felt. So I'm not going to change my opinion because it didn't work out. Where I give Rod a lot of credit, because I've always thought that Freddie is the kind of guy that when he's on a roll, how long can he build upon that roll in terms of a me against the world rebound guy? I don't know that in Craig was talking about, you know, I'm sure needing a big performance tonight in Edmonton. He's a great rebound

guy. That's never for me been Freddy's strongest asset. So for me, it was a true decision for rod going into game four last night, but Freddy's the guy that got you there. And he was stellar. What I love most about Freddy Anderson last night, you can usually, it's a real good barometer for me, is he attacking with his hands? And right from that early save on Bennett, and throughout the hockey game,

there was a tip from Barkie in the third period where he established a high glove. I love when goalies do that, even big goaltenders, because you can go from high to low, you can't go from low to high, but his hands really jumped off the page for me. Uh, more than anything else in the shutout last night. Um, I wanted to talk about, uh, I didn't think the loss to chat field was going to be as significant as it was.

It really feels like they were missing them in the first few games. Uh, they decided to go with Scott Morrill. I can understand Rod's decision given like the systems and the man on man D zone and how complicated it could be for a guy like Nikitian coming from overseas and adapting to that. But I felt that he belonged in the series from the beginning, just given his shot size, his offensive upside and the fact that have how big Florida is and really being able to contain them to the outside amongst everything else that he brings.

How have you felt that he's entered the series and what do you make of that decision early on which I mean I think we could all I mean outside of Orloff in game three I think that that was probably the worst defensive performance we've seen probably in playoffs from Moro unfortunately for him. Yeah I you know it's no secret here in Carolina, you know, I have a job to do, but you know, Rod, I walked his mom down the aisle at his wedding. Uh, he's my closest friend in the organization. 95% of the time, this we see the same game.

I liked Alexander Nikitian in Washington. He had a tough first shift. He got bailed out on a successful coach's challenge on that offside play that would have been a glaring, costly turnover. But for a guy playing on a North American ice sheet, the challenge of the Russian language, I liked him. So I would have stuck with him.

For me, truthfully, it would have been a no-brainer. That's no disregard to Scott Moro. I'm sure Rod prioritized Moro's comfort with the system, having guys on their natural side. But I want to tell you a quick story about Nikitian, his first practice here. Guy doesn't speak a lick of the language, and I'm watching him, first practice, He's flown all over zigzagged around the world to get here. And he is tapping the veteran guys, that are English speakers throughout practice, just his charisma told me right away,

this is why this guy was the captain of Scott and St. Petersburg at such a young age. Aside from the fact he's a beast, aside from the fact he's got a big shot, and I think he's showing signs of being mean, which Carolina desperately needs already, but even in that first game, I saw a guy that simply is not gonna dip his toe

in the water, he's gonna go for it, and has that thing called self-belief. So, I know, I started talking to Dekeeshan and communicating with him last summer, you know, before his last year in Scots. So I've been bullish on him for a long time. And was he ever great in games three and four? Yeah, that primary was nice on the backhand right up to Stanky Stanky leg. And Stankhoven. I mean, what a shot. I think he's, if not the best, right up there for

the top Hurricanes player throughout the playoffs. So, you know, you talk about Carolina went for it with Rontanen. It was disappointing how it all kind of turned out. But Stankhoven's been phenomenal. Like, do you see him as kind of like a pace setter? Like, he's, you know, he's like the Energizer bunny out there. It's nonstop. It's almost like guys got to follow a little bit of how he's been playing. Would you agree? I think when he's been awesome. You know, I can tell you, again, you know, it didn't work out with Miko. Miko and I will keep in touch.

You know, I've talked to Miko. Miko and I will keep in touch. I've talked to Miko regularly in the playoffs, including that epic game seven against Colorado. But it was the right move to move him. And because it fell off and he was really disengaged at the end. And as soon as I heard speculation that Eric Tulski and Jimmy Nill were

working on a deal, truthfully, the guy that I wanted to be in that deal, not knowing it, you know, I've never been in the scoop business. I don't work at Baskin-Robbins. I said to myself, I hope Logan Stancovin is in this deal. And I really did. And then immediately I got a text that I showed to Logan from Pete DeBoer, just singing his praises, how difficult it was to have him part of the deal, come into Carolina.

And Kamloops Blazer, I mentioned my relationship with Mark Reckie and Rex told me, and nobody would know it better and Rex said trip his will and his compete is off the charts Can he find a way to live on the inside and against this sizable? Tough Florida group of defensemen Nobody has gotten to the inside more regularly in this series than Logan Stan Kovac. He is without question been their best player I watching Florida. I don't know if the Blues or the Rangers ever Saw a day when Mikola would be this good. I mean

That loss is enormous. You talk about Reinhardt being out Mikola the way he was going it's like him, he went flying into the boards with the shoulder. So going back into game five, right? They finally got a win. So the weights lifted off their shoulders. They're going back home. If Mikola and Reinhardt can't play, like I'd suspect Carolina is going to be right in this game as well. Like, do you think that winning one game will help take the pressure off that much where they can play a little bit more at ease in front of their home crowd. My guy tells me, Miko plays, you're making me think about, I did a game between the benches when he was a Ranger. I didn't notice him in St. Louis,

but seeing that size and the crazy bill, his ability to move that game I did between the benches when he was a Ranger, I'm like, who is this guy? I'm a firm believer that momentum, especially against the Stanley Cup champions who are not going to get rattled, does not exist between games. So can Carolina not only be as desperate as they were last night, but even elevate their desperation? And boys, their starts, the Hurricanes, have been significantly better on the road than they've been at home. And so, you know, can Carolina locate their best start in their own building that they've

had in some time against it? You know, Florida's seven and two on the road. So you can't come off of that desperation. I could go through every guy on the roster last night and say he made a positive contribution. If you get anything less than that, you're not extending this series. But if they can not just maintain their desperation but elevate it, especially game two, which was the one really lopsided. It's as tough of a playoff game as I've seen here at home. For Carolina to have the ability to make amends here and it'll have to start with a good start. What an opportunity

for this group. I thought it was, I thought it was good. The boys were excited. I was coming on spitting chiplets on the plane last night. And I think it was important as long as it's been to enjoy that win. And I'm sure they've this morning started to shift their focus as to, you know,

how they win another one. Cause even at home, it's going to be tougher tomorrow night tomorrow night As good as Freddie was I'd probably credit that win last night to Slaven burns and Orlov Like the bounce back game that Orlov had compared to the game before like that takes a lot of mental toughness I think Slaven registered what 28 minutes? He had four blocks dots two hits two hits. Like he was absolutely everywhere. Plus three hammered Markov. This man handled Barkov. Like that was like an all time game that you'll remember as a Keynes fan that he put in. I feel like more of the pressure in game five at home to me will be on Jarvis, all hole

and fetch to have the game of a lifetime. Would you agree with that? I feel like maybe they haven't put together a performance that, that, that Kane's fans can be proud of saying those are our guys. That's our core group. And we believe in these guys to get it done. Yeah. I would say that first of all, touching on Slaven, Timmy Gleason, uh, you know,

who obviously runs the defense. He really distributed his ice time this year, where it would be so easy to lean on Jacob Slaven. And then you have two short series, and Slaven, what are the average? 24, 25 minutes in the four nations. So he should be fresh. And so even with a big loss that everybody knows

how big it is in Chatfield, and as well as Walker was playing, I've been hoping that Slaven's minutes would go up. He played 28 last night and he played his best game of the series specifically on Barkov, but I've been hoping those minutes would go up. I thought that you know there's a couple of things here. You know after what happened with Ajo and Svechnikov late in game three, those two players needed to be drivers last night. They got tremendous support, you know, with the care factor of everybody else

in that lineup, and I could get to that in a minute. But Ajo had seven shots. You know, he's been a guy. Craig was talking about it. There's only one Connor McDavid. And then, of course, the close second Leon Dreisaitl. There's one thing I'd say about Sebastian Biss. His best moments in his playoff career in Carolina have been in first rounds and you know he needs to be a guy just like you know and I know your

same draft is McDavid but that as you get deeper and deeper he doesn't fall off he gets better. And I thought Ajo was terrific last night. Paul Maurice last change, he's playing a lot against Barkov. And I love what Svechnikov did with that empty netter after Jarvis forced the turnover on Kachak. Svechnikov could have powered it home himself,

but I think he recognized the importance of getting it to Sebastian, which I think he recognized the importance of getting it to Sebastian, which I thought was a quality play and who knows how it could carry over moving forward. But can those guys build upon it? Because I thought Sveshnikov and Aho were great last night. I thought Jarvis had his best game of the series. And can they be the types of guys against the Stanley Cup Championship team?

When you have some control over matchups in your own building, that can be the difference coming off a game where maybe statistically they didn't get rewarded, but I thought they were all over it. In particular, really good defensively. Those three guys had a complete buy in and they're all in the rink. Do you think that there's a world, and I know you mentioned that you're close with them, but do you think that there's a world where if know you mentioned that you're close with him, but do you think that there's a world where if they lose this series that Rod could be

saying his goodbyes? I mean, he's got them to the Eastern conference finals. He's been amazing coach. I don't, I don't think he should even be talked about getting fired, but do you think that there would be people wanting him gone? I think it's preposterous. I mean, I, you know, the, I love the dance T D up for it though. We need a good sound bite. Let's go. I'll tell you a story. Okay. Because, uh, he has, you know, the,

the incredibly important piece you were to the coyotes, um, you know, for so long and Biz and I first had our first conversation there at Glendale Arena. I remember sitting in that epic Renaissance hotel before a pregame meal and I was lounging, having a cup of coffee. Bill Peters was the coach at the time, Rod was the assistant. And Jordan Stahl walked by me and he, Rod was, you know, 15, 20 feet away. He couldn't hear us. But Jordan Stahl said that's the guy who should be our coach. And you know he has done as good of a job as any coach

in the league of getting maximum investment and playing to your identity more consistently or as consistently I think as any other coach. We've already identified that that identity, there was a departure, Witt mentioned, he's right, early in this series. But for me, absolutely preposterous. And then the big thing that I would look at is after game three on Saturday night, Rod challenged some of his guys. I have a feeling the guys that I think he was challenging. So when you're at a point and then I think he was really stern with the group on the off day at the hotel in Fort Lauderdale.

So if when it gets hard and you can go two ways, you can say it's not, it's, this is just not worth it. We're gonna go quiet into the night your coach has challenged you if you did not have the supreme respect and admiration for the guy there's no way after I think he gave him the gears on the off day that they would ever respond the way that they did that should be the proof and the pudding in and of itself. Last one I was gonna ask, what are the keys for you going back into game five? Obviously the first two home games, like I think by the time the buzzard sounded,

there was 30% of the fans left in the building, which I was shocked by. What do you expect to see from Kaniak's game five? It should be the loudest the building's ever been. And what do they need to do in order to get another victory and send this thing to six is they got to have their best start that they've had at home in awhile. Uh, they need a lead. They need a lead.

They've got to be smart like they were last night, even if Florida scores. So you, you know, you limit the bleeding. Um, that's critical. And I'm going to point to one guy. Cause this came out, this was on the plane last night and I was, you know, I love what you guys have done for the game. That's genuine right from the bottom of my heart. So, and I remember when, you know, Witt broke into the league and

Brooks Orpik was on the club and in Pittsburgh. And so in 2019, Orpix on the defending Stanley Cup champion capitals, OK? And he'd won a cup with Jordan Stahl. And at one point in the series, Brooke says to me, goes, you know what, Trent? Jordan Stahl is a load to deal with, no matter what. But when he gets angry

Watch out and I believe and I just I googled before we came on what animal has the thickest skin I believe it's a sperm whale and I admire the heck out of this and biz biz Easy relax biz. It's so early biz did the hurricanes a huge favor and I probably owe him a massive Houston's gift card at any location that he chooses because he made Jordan Stahl angry. And can he be, and even a great friend of the show, teammate of you guys, Jordan Martin Akubis. Why?

Because I called out the fact that nobody stood up for Ahow and Svec and I thought that that like that that to me was a little bit of a question mark on the culture what's going on like I know for me personally I was dog shit I wasn't a very good player but if I saw one of my star players getting taken advantage of I'd be coming over the top ropes you know what I'd say business I would say the optic because the you know I'm calling the game. I didn't like the optics of it. But what reigns supreme for me is one, how much I liked Ahu and Spechnikov last night, but more importantly, how hard of a game, starting with the captain, Jordan Marnik always plays hard

to the ends of the earth. That's the type of response that you are looking for. And what I'm doing is I'm complimenting you because I love it when Jordan stall gets angry. I love it. I hope he can stay angry because when he can, when he does, like he did late in that Washington series, he goes to another level. I lit a fire under his ass is what I did. The whole fucking team. I should get a, I should get a ring.

If you guys end up pulling this bad boy off and I said this I said to Marty before the game started we had him on pregame I said you're a heart and soul guy like you weren't on the ice how did you feel about it and one thing that stuck out it was early in that first period Kachuk was in front of Anderson and he was trying to do his his antics stinky mitt and who was right there Jordan Martin hook along with the rest of the guys the other guys didn't fuck off either. They all stood in front of Anderson and they were emotionally invested right from the beginning of the game.

And to me that was the difference right off the hop. It showed me that they had more and whatever was said by Rod and whatever was being question of their team that was they had the answer and more of that in game five and moving throughout the course of the series. I just had to call it like I saw it. And I'm glad that we saw that fight. Like they, I was emotionally checked out of this series. That game kind of pulled me back in to see like, all right, what are they? Let's see what they can get cooking at home here with this home crowd now. Don't you Biz, you commend both teams. You commend Florida because of the lead that they had for taking their pound of flesh,

but then for the Hurricanes to stand up to a man. A truly hardened game for Ahu and Spechnikov and both those guys were very good too. So I think you commend both teams. I mean, I liked it in the second period when Will Carrier, you know, Luz Durynin didn't want to go, but I'm watching him challenge Luz Durynin going back to that hit that I thought you covered quite well with Jackson Blake.

And, you know, but I think that was a direct reflection of the conclusion of game three and how much those guys care about Sveta Kofanaho and the way that they perform and you can't come off of it even one bit and I just hope you know my friends have often called me the angry hornet I really hope that stall stays an angry hornet because he can dominate when he is. Before we let you go I want to ask I want to ask one more thing and and we got to I see the hockey world got to see Slaven at the Four Nations that Before we let you go, I want to ask one more thing. And we got to, I see the hockey world got to see Slaven at the Four Nations.

That was the point where people were like, holy shit, had no idea how good he was. You already mentioned I saw Butchagross talking. He's got to play 28, 30 minutes a game here moving forward. But he was drafted fourth round pick, came into the league, I think 14 games in the A.H.L. and just taken off. Like, what have you seen his growth be like? What was he like right that first rookie year? Could you tell this was all going to be there? He had to be a late bloomer based on where he was drafted,

but he's big and he could skate. So what is seeing his game grow and becoming maybe the best defensive defenseman in the league kind of in front of the Cane's fans eyes and your eyes Ben like. Whit baby first of all I believe the scout that deserves the credit for plucking him where they did in the draft is a guy by the name of Burt Robertson. And so a mention for Burt and he did have me from Hello and I'll tell you a story because Whit he's on the other side our dear friend and one of which agents the great I always call them Jerry McGuire, Paul Kripalka part of Florida.

And they also obviously represented a lot with Bobby or Rick Curran, the stalls for you know, the entirety of their career. So we're in Vancouver, the had to be a month before Eric Stahl got traded to the New York Rangers. And it's out, you know, we're having a coffee before getting on the bus at the Pan Pacific Hotel. And Eric Stahl, I'm teasing my cell phone as Mr. GQ because he was uncomfortable going to a GQ shoot, being from Thunder Bay, so he asked me, Tripp, will you go with me? So he'd be comfortable when he was taking the pictures with the donkeys on the ocean and all that stuff. So I've always called him Mr. GQ.

So I said, GQ, what's going on? He said, Tripp, with all of these tough years, I finally gotta go now when they've got this Slaven, and he mentioned Pesci too coming, and he knew, he knew about Jacob Slaven. And that Pesci to come in and he knew he knew about Jacob Slaven and that was what frustrated him more than anything because of all those difficult years he could see what Jacob Slaven was going to be overlooking that beautiful scenery in Vancouver with Eric Mr. GQ song.

You could tell. You do a hell of a job. You make watching the Canes games very fun. Well, at times I say they're a little boring to watch. Your broadcast of it is exciting. We appreciate you coming on. You've done a great job. And let's see, you know, Florida, they got to have some nerves that they blew a 3-0 series lead to force game seven last year. Maybe Carolina can get that win at home at least force game six back in Florida. We appreciate you coming on and we'll talk to you soon. Hey, tell the boys they've been starting at home like a bunch of pussies. Light another fire under their ass. Hey, one question, Witt, because Jordan Stahl mentioned this to me on the plane last night, because years ago,

Henry Stahl, first dad's trip in Pittsburgh he said oh my is it is your dad's name John Dan Dan Dan he said this Dan Whitney's one of the funniest guys I've ever come across and so Jordan tells me on the plane last night your mom and dad live upstairs from Henry and Linda Stahl on the west coast of yes yes Yes. They ended up in a sterile. They went to look at a condo and they're looking around and all of a sudden they walk down and they see Henry's stall. Random? Yeah and then they live literally, I think they're 202 and the stalls are 102 right on one of the holes on the golf course. So my dad gets to see Henry. Great family, the stalls.

I just thinking back to Jordan as a rookie, like six, four, two 30 as an 18 year old. And I was like, Holy shit. Knowing that he was going to be the third line center in Pittsburgh for years to come. So great people. Um, it's crazy how it's worked out. So yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty cool to see Jordan still doing what he's doing And yeah tell him I said hello Even though he hates our show because we've been carving his team for the past couple weeks, but we appreciate you Did you guys were boring? I don't even think you guys are that boring. I think people are make over blowing it Well, I'll tell you I I just you know guys I was he fired Rod a minute ago

I was I was a goalie so you know like I never paid attention to anything I remember years ago I know you guys gotta go but Jimmy Rutherford grabbed me after a morning skate in Florida we had been in Dallas and he had watched the game on TV and he said Drip I watched the game last night I'm gonna give you a grade and I said what is it Jimmy and he said gee I Said gee what is that worse than an F and he goes gee? Gee for fucking goaltending all you do is talk about goaltending and from that day and caps at the top of my game notes You know because it's my comfort zone. I have one Tried to not talk about it too much and I have with passion tried to get as comfortable in every other

facet of the game going back to that conversation so Systematically when Carolina is dialed in like they were last night I can't tell you how much I enjoy it So, you know that's that goes back to Jimmy challenging me like he did. He's been very profound in my life That's that goes back to Jimmy challenging me like he did. He's been very profound in my life. Tripp, I just want to let you know, I wasn't the one who said, uh, Brendan Moore should be fired. It was biz. I think he should have be a lifetime. Thank you for it. Thank you for coming.

Appreciate it. I'll light a lot of fires, but I ain't lighting that fire. I'm a, I'm a ride or die for rod for life. I would go through a brick wall for that guy. Well, I just had an amazing interview with Rod. I don't know if you ever heard that one thank you trip thank you trip we appreciate it we appreciate awesome guy great analyst we got another special guest coming on just quickly and I know Ryan Wasowski's waiting but just shout out Florida because that's a lot of Kane's talk we hadn't had anyone on all year we had'd had Joe Vaughn talking about Florida. But what's fucking Risser sore from stroking off Florida all season long here. We have

to know, but we had to snap it around. You in Carolina, all over them last series against Toronto, you haven't heard about them. We're still, we're still talking about them now, weren't we say, say something very nice about Florida right now what do you mean they're fucking wagon I okay I know they're a wagon I just wasn't playing tummy sticks with them last round because we were going to war I mean fucking what does it what isn't there to say Bill Zito and staff incredible they should win management of the year but broth ski best goaltender on the planet that That's money game goalie. I mean,

Nikolas fucking turned into Kale McCarr. Right. I mean, for saying probably the most underpaid defenseman the league he's only making 6.2 million. I mean, the list goes on with those guys. Best third line. I mean, list. Oh, Marshawn. I could I could stroke these guys off all day, but Carolina needs to be discussed Dallas needed to be discussed and now since 1933 the United States had not won a gold medal at the World Championship and we are gonna be honored today To have their head coach on a guy who who led him to victory a lot of young guns and America They're on the rise, baby.

There he is right there. There's the Jersey too. Couple clicks baby. Jersey in the back. San Jose Sharks, head coach and gold medalist Ryan Wasowski. What's going on buddy? First off, congratulations. Congrats man.

Second off, incredible moment by you. Talking about how Johnny Goodrose up there watching that happen. We saw the clip of Wurzinski sprinting to the locker room to get his jersey. Just an incredible couple of weeks. I mean, I'm sure for you, it must have felt like you're over there two months, the long tourney, but talk to us how it feels. And once again, congrats. Yeah, thanks for having me on guys. Obviously, known Whitten and Keith for a while here. But it was a surreal, surreal tournament, long-term, like you said.

Felt like we were over there for two months. You know, and the families come over and the wives come over and it gets a little bit better. But it was a great group of guys. You know, Wurinski, Cooley, Keller, Garland, some of our leaders really stepped up. And obviously Johnny was a big part of this, looking of this looking looking from up top and I know his family's proud and I'm sure his wife is proud and you know that just it was a total team effort. It was on season idea to get the jersey and bring it out where in ski and you know it was very special and something that I will remember for the rest of our lives.

was very special and something that I think we'll all remember for the rest of our lives. I was going to ask quickly with about the helmet that you guys were given out. What's the backstory? How did it come about? Because you see a lot of teams now in the NHL after they win. They, you know, St. Louis, they had Kelly Chase's shoulder pads. Edmonton, I think they have like a defensive player, the game and an offensive player. Where did the helmet that you guys were that whole backstory come about? And I'll just throw it over to you. Yeah, it was it was actually Laurence Floney, who's in video coach in Nashville. He came up with the idea because back in 1933 was when Evil Can Evil kind of came out and we said, you know, let's find something some sort of image from 1933. So he kind of grabbed

it and ran with it. And, you know, I think as a staff, we talked about, you know, I think it's going to be, you know, when you win, you need someone to make a, you know, box shot, big hit, went a puck on the wall, you know, a big, a big play, but that probably doesn't get recognized by, you know, the average fan. So we usually gave that, we gave that, that helmet out as coaches, we kind of rotated around and, you know, it was a special and then we obviously had Johnny Goodrills winter hat was a player of the game. And I think that was very unique that his autographed hat on there.

So the players would give that out. So again, it was a great group of guys, very coachable guys fit into roles. There was no egos from day one. These guys were driven to win and this, you know, 92 years curse that you'd say. Was there the kind of two part question? I wanted to get your feel on Tage Thompson. I thought he got screwed and not being on the Four Nations team. You know, I would imagine he's going to be a shoe in for the Olympic team.

But also who's another guy that kind of you didn't know too much about and just kind of popped off the charts for you, whether it was, you know, in the locker room or on the ice, just the guy that really, you know, took over your eye. Yeah. You know, with Tades for sure. I mean, the hardest shot I've ever seen. He absolutely can rip it.

And, um, you know, he, he's, his game's maturing and I think he gets kind of not knocked a little bit there because of Buffalo what they've gone through but I think he's his game matured a lot through this tournament. You know, even his dad said to me after the tournament he's like this is the first time I've seen him dump in pucks, you know, late in games and late in periods and play the right way so I think it was really important for him to play, you know, Obviously, you saw him score the game winner, but he also scored throughout the tournament, and he wants to score. He wants to be an impact player throughout the game. And sometimes he gets frustrated as emotions get high, but I think that's what makes great players great. And I think you need to play with that emotion.

And I'm glad to see him get rewarded cuz he had some looks earlier in that game, didn't score, and he kinda just stuck with it. So definitely a player that I think really should be talked about more for that Olympic team. because he had some looks earlier in that game and didn't score and he kind of just stuck with it. So definitely a player that I think you know really should be talked about more for that Olympic team and I think he will be. As far as guys that probably you know I think Andrew Peake was an important piece you know in this tournament you need to have some guys that can play the heavy minutes that can you know shut down a top line that can block shots, really good in the penalty kill. He's really, he really surprised me, just the way how heavy he was. And then, and the other guy I would say is Matty Baniers. And I know he's, you know, a really good center in the national hockey league, but

the way he plays, he's a smart, smart, high hockey IQ player is underneath pox, really good defensively. I think he, you know, he's someone that kind of reminds me of a Bergeron type, you know, just always in the right spot. Again, the list I could talk about every guy that had a big impact on our team. And, you know, we talked about as a staff and with Jeff Kelty and Chubbs are at the end of the game about man this roster in four years, there's going to be some superstars, you know, and there's

guys that are coming for USA hockey. That's for sure. What, um, I was just going to hop in quickly. It was Clayton Keller who wore the sea, right? Yeah. And you know, I got to spend some time with him in Arizona dealt with adversity when he broke his femur and talk about a guy who's all in as far as like the office, the mental preparation, the diet, the exercise, like how big of an impact did he make to the lineup and whose decision was it to give him the C and, and provide that leadership throughout that tournament? Yeah.

Well, I think, you know, it was, it was him that kind of stepped up and said, Hey, I wanted to come, you know, and that's this tournament can be challenging after the NHL season of guys, you know, banged up and go through some, the grind of it. And he tells, you know, what everybody asked him. He said, yeah, I'm in. So, um, I thought he led that in that way just by starting that, you know, guys accepting the invitation to come to the tournament. Um, you know, he's got it's playing a tournament. He's got experience. Um, you know, I thought he'd be the right guy to lead this team and we'd have some guys that

around him that can help them and support them. But he really stepped up. You know, what surprised me is, you know, this is a, he's played probably 10 years in the league and he's asking to look at video after, you know, we play hungry cause he wanted to get better. Um, that's what like surprises me even in the NHL is how much guys want to get better each and every day. They're not, you know, just going to go and kind of just glide through the season. Like this is Clayton Keller, the captain of our team, you know,

had one and one and two against Hungary and he's like, Hey, can you show me some video more? I got to work on my ball play. Like those are the things. And I think that stuff's contagious. And then next thing, you know, Tage is doing that next thing, you know, Baniers and Will Smith and Cottergottier. So, you know, I think that's all contagious and how we wanted to play

and get better each and every day. We talked about that, you know, and I think our team, you know, we went through some adversity through that tournament and I think that was good for us, you know, and we lost to the Swiss early in the tournament. We gave up a lead to Norway and our guys, you know, we beat Norway in overtime and you would have thought we lost the game six, nothing. The guys are so rattled. And, and I thought that was what we needed really to, you know, have an

understanding of how we need to play to win the tournament. Uh, I want to talk quickly. You mentioned Will Smith. He's part of this generation of winning a lot of gold medals, international hockey wise and under 18s and world juniors. And then this year, it's almost the beginning of the year. I'm like, oh, should this kid have stayed in college? But the last 30, 40 games, I mean, he looked incredible.

Then he's over there playing for you. There's a clip of him burying someone into the boards, not something that's been a big part of his game that you probably love To see being his coach in San Jose like what did you see him grow as as a player throughout the season? And then this tournament was it kind of uh Everything put together and his play was that good similar to the second half of the NHL year Yeah a little bit for sure like he definitely got better as the year went on the game slowed down for me Let us? Yeah, a little bit for sure. Like, he definitely got better as the year went on. The game slowed down for me let us know it's just to come out a little bit. You got to cut on the score sheet. And that's how these

players they want to get on the score sheet. So he gets a couple as confidence grows. You know, a lot of it's the pace of the game the NHL it's obviously as you guys know, it's extremely fast. The pace is non stop when you go against it, especially the Florida is the Tampa is the Edon's, like, you take a breath for a second and you get put on your heels, you're gonna get run through the walls and he needed to learn that. And I thought he you know, the kid is a special person. He is extremely

gifted hockey player, but he's an unbelievable kid wants to get better wants to learn wants to you know, he's a hockey not like he knows the history of the game. Like he'll talk to Doug Huda and Jose on the bus about like the Bruins game in 2014, like game two in like the Eastern conference finals. And he's bringing up like plays that Andrew Ferentz made like he is nine. Yeah. And he just loves, loves to learn about the game and he's coachable.

But I'll say this about these guys players, the Cutter Goatiers, Aziz Bouillams, they have this quiet confidence about themselves that they're like, yeah, I'm gonna figure it out and I'm gonna be a really good player and we're gonna win. And I think they've learned that growing up through the national program, winning national championships. You see him around the hotel and like, yeah, we're gonna win tomorrow. It's no big deal. And it's like they have,

it's not like they're a huge egos, but they're just really a quiet confidence about themselves that they know they're going to figure it out. They know they're going to be good and they're going to help, you know, help the team, whether that's San Jose and with Will or, or cutter and Will and Z like whoever it was as a, some of those young guys that are, you know, super talented and and then and they come and go throughout The game but then when you need to play they can make a play and when the game gets a little More you know with more pace to it like they step up and I thought we'll probably played as lot against Sweden and against The Swiss those last two games were his best game. That's complete game. That's you don't play

I'm going back to the evil Knievel helmet you passed it off to a trainer There was a beautiful moment in the locker room and just from that video like I didn't follow a ton of the tournament You could just tell how much they did the group of gel Could we run this clip even with sound and started off in the beginning? Johnny was here watching this one And this guy's getting the helmet. He's been with USA hockey for the longest time over 20 years. Let's go to the bar. So what's what's the backstory? So so in, I don't know if Keith, you guys in whip probably knows him, but

he's been with team. You know, this was his 57 team and for team USA world juniors, you 18s, world's there in 1933, but age well, right? They don't wrinkle. And he is the nicest guy in the world. He's the best. The guys love him.

It was his 18th world championships. And we had, you know, all the coaches had given it out. I wanted him to give it out. And I just said, screw it. Let's give it to him. He's deserved it. Like he lives in New Bedford and you know, I lived down that way too.

And Mattapoi is sitting in the off season. I'm like, Hey, you gotta come golf. And he's like, I can't. I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, I got my family on the Chow Mein noodle factory. I'm like, hey, you got to come golf. And he's like, I can't. I'm like, what do you mean? Is it like I got my family on the Chow Main noodle factory? I'm like, so you can't come. He's like, no, my mom has, my mom's like, I gotta go back to work.

I'm like, no, you're coming golfing this summer. He's like the heart and soul, like the work so hard, doesn't complain. Just an awesome guy that, you know, I think all these young guys obviously came up through like world Juniors and being around him so everyone knows him. He's the best. I just going back to the camaraderie quick, like when you when you have a tournament like that, you have to gel super fast. Who were the

guys in the locker room who were like the provided the light every day, the laughter. I mean, you hear about what Marsha provided to the team at Four Nations and and just the laughs. Who are the jesters that really brought it all together quickly? Yeah I think you know Connor Garland is one of those guys. He's a goofball a little bit and keeps the room loose but then when it's time to speak up he was really good for our young guys. You know then you had you know Logan Cooley is a unique guy, but you know, I'll say this like we were in hurting Denmark in a small town and there's like a strip of restaurants and bars and like the coaches will go to dinner and we Go for some beers after and we wouldn't run into the guys ever we wouldn't see the guys

I'm like, where are the guys you come back? It'd be like one o'clock in the morning They're all playing poker like all 16 17 of them are just playing poker in the lobby and I'm like times have changed as you guys know like like back in the fucking balls deep in my room they were so into playing poker that's what they did they didn't really go out I mean there was a couple nights I'm sure they did and especially after we won but you know there was just a very it was almost like very business like the guys were extremely driven. And the day we got to Germany and on May 1st, uh, I gotta ask you this, and this is kind of switching a little bit, uh, to team Canada, but I can't imagine there was anyone more

thrilled and loving the clips coming out of Macklin Celebrini, just following and learning from Sidney Crosby for a couple of weeks. You saw the practice clips on face-offs. You saw them talking on the bench as his head coach kind of talk about his rookie season, how good of a player he is and him learn a lot from Sid over the course of the world. Yeah, that's awesome. Awesome for him to experience that. He's obviously a very unique individual that this kid is, you know, so self driven wants to get better. Ultraman ultra competitive wants to win.

I'm just with the game, like obsessed got to kick him off the ice. Always working on his body. It's like he's 18, but like he's going on 28. It's incredible. And I think being around said will help him. You know, I think in our situation was tough, right? We lost some games, we had some leads. We were had some tight games and learning how to win those tight games is the next step that, you know, Mac and our young guys need to learn. And I think being around Sid can really help that you know, the detail that you need to play with, you know, winning face offs is a way to get possession and play with the puck more. Max, a guy that wants to puck on a stick. And how do you do that when you're on the in the offensive zone,

win the face off and now you get to play in the offensive zone. So there's some things in this game that he obviously needs to improve on. But he's a special unique individual that really drives our group, drags guys into the into the fight at 18 years at 18 years old is crazy to say. But then off the ice, he's the best. Like you'd want to marry your daughter, he's the nicest guy and treats everyone with respect. Doesn't signs autographs for kids, treats, because I think he has an understanding

how much of a role model he is at such a young age is obviously impressive. But it was nice when I saw him. I ran into him in Stockholm at a coffee shop. And he was after that Denmark game. So he was a little down the dump. So we'll have to pick him back up. Oh, I must be sick to have Joe Thornton around helping, you know, help those guys grow learning from him as well. I mean, that's just that's going to keep feeding the organization as well. Yeah, it's awesome. Jump jumbo is great He's there every single day. You know, you would think he's on the roster. He's guys he's

Love he loves the rink that he he's a rink He's literally the best he keeps to you know, the energy, you know in the room loose but you would think he's on the roster and I love it I think he's great to have for these guys to be around him. And, um, you know, he was greater in the year when, when guys would take like the optionals that are, you know, the second years and he'd tell stories that never took an optional in my life. Never not once. And like these 22 year old kid from Russia has taken a optional. Yeah, that's not usually not good when Joe's and you're not reason Ryan. Yeah, don't think I took. I took one in my career and it was after I played the 11 minutes in Edmonton. I felt like I needed to put a body cast on. Remember that game hands where we ended up winning

it and I got over over double digits. I was going to ask you a tampering question. If you had the ability to sign any free agent forward and defenseman, who would you pick out there right now who's available? Oh man. I mean, am I even allowed to answer that question? Yeah, you are. We're close. I'm going to say no, because they're still under contract.

They're under contract. So the first time they make a name right now, all of a sudden the guys get in San Jose, they find a million bucks. No, I'm saying, Hey, I already got five, 25 grants from the refs this year. I don't need it What were you would given it to him that night? This I didn't mean I'm just trying to help my guy here, right? Like these guys are under contract till July Okay, so you have the same names, but what do you think that you guys need in order to get to a different level? Yeah, I'm not saying it's gonna be overnight success where all of a sudden you guys are in order to get to a different level. Yeah. I'm not saying it's going to be overnight success where all of a sudden you guys are

in playoffs, but who would, what type of player would you like to have there for those guys like the Will Smith and the Celebre needs to learn off of, but also alleviate a little bit of pressure as well. Yeah. Well, I think down the middle, we're in a pretty good spot, you know, with obviously with Mac, um, you know, Will was going to get another look there and then, uh. And then we believe Wenberg is a really good third line center. But if you look, you know, obviously, our back end needs to continue to improve. You know, and I think that's we had some, you know, the Muck and McDoolin kid came in.

And it looks like he's going to be a really good player. And we have Ferraro back there was, you know, the heart and soul guy. We need to add to that group, you know, obviously,. Obviously, with our power play, getting a guy that can run our power play would be obviously important to distribute the puck and more of a puck moving ability back there. I think that's what we struggled the most. So I know Mike and his staff is hard at work. He knows it. We need to improve our roster and take the next step. And that's going to be important this summer. Ryan, I just want to say, I know how hard you've worked, you know, started in Curry College.

Fuck, I remember you skating there. I was skating with you during the lock on and start in the in the coast and work your way up. And I think especially for what you did with this team and getting a win since 1933, like your name should be in there for the, you the, at least being on the staff for that Olympic team. I know Mike Sullivan is the head coach, but to have a guy around that has helped them win that you've done, I think that would be unbelievable. I think you'd be a huge asset for that team and bring them back a gold in the Olympics too. Yeah, I appreciate it. That'd be obviously a bucket list to play in the Olympics. Obviously Whit did it and that would be obviously that's like kind of the icing on the cake for

for some people and we'll see. We'll see if it happens. If not, I've always just kind of been where my feet are from coaching at Curry, if I'm coaching in South Carolina, if I'm the assistant coach, just do the best possible job I can do where I'm at. And if people call, people call. But you know, I think this was a great experience. It was an awesome event and a great group of guys, uh, we'll take a little time off and then you get, you know, before you know, it's September and you're right back in it again.

So, you know, Keith mentioned it quick. You're you get to South Carolina after coaching at Curry quick, you guys losing the finals, then you're in Charlotte, move on to Chicago, you win the AHL, get hired in the NHL. It must seem like it's happened pretty quick, right? And what's cool is you've been at each level similar way John Cooper did it. But did you even picture it happening this quick? Like, you got hired in the NHL, I was so excited for you and your family, but it had to be quicker than you thought even kind of dreaming about your future as a coach. Yeah, for sure. It happened. If I thought looking back, I'd be here now, I probably would think

you're joking. For sure, I didn't think it was going to happen this quick. But like I said, I just kind of just, wherever I was, I just tried to do the best possible job. I learned under some really good coaches and Spencer Carberry, obviously we just saw I probably gonna be winning coach of the year here in Washington. I worked with him for three years, went on to Charlotte, worked for Mike Voluccio, he was on the staff here at Worlds.

Then went with, he worked with Quinny and I got a lot of really important people around me that has helped me. You mentioned Mike Sullivan, who's a close family friend and got to know Torz and just a lot of different people that have helped me and helped me with, you know, you mentioned Mike Sullivan, who's a close family friend and got to know torts and just a lot of different people that have helped me and helped me guide me. And, you know, I was probably early on, I was very green and just tried to learn as much as I possibly can and pick people's brains from coaches to players and just try to do

the best possible job. And, you know, it's, you know, as you're planning, when you, when you're planning the NHL and coaching the NHL, it's, you're truly kind of blessed. It's the best league in the world. And I don't take a day for granted. I love my time here in San Jose. And, you know, it's, it's a, it's a great league. It's the players are special.

They want to get better. You're on, you know, I was on the bus for 24 hours from Kalamazoo to South Carolina, Charleston, and now I'm on a private jet, you know, going from Edmonton to San Jose. It's a little bit different, but I try not to change who I was back then to who I am now. You mentioned Carberry, whose the clips based this season in the locker room, like, seemed just commands a room. The team was very close.

Unfortunately, they lose out to Carolina, but you mentioned him first. Like what was, what was something that you could think of right off the top of your head that, that he taught you that he maybe helped bring to your coaching, coaching career. Yeah. And what was it about South Carolina where they're able to develop Bednar, Carberry, you, like, it seems like they just have this unreal pedigree of coaches that they're able to develop. Yeah. I mean, first, like, Carb's one of the best communicators I've ever been around.

And that's something that I learned. The way he communicates, the way, you know, how detailed his message is, it's clear, it's to the point. There's no gray area, you know, so whether that's individual meetings, whether that's a team meeting, you leave the meeting and you know exactly what it was about. And I think that's what he's so good at. He can motivate a team. I always would talk to buddies around that watch the game and I'm like, hey, Washington losers, they're going to respond the next night. He just always got them back on track. I think that's something that I learned from him is the way he communicates, the way he can motivate a team, his details,

the care he has for the human being more before the player. I mean, the list goes on. He kind of molded me prior to the coach I am the most. And I think South Carolina, in that league, you wear a lot of different hats and you're grinding. There was times I would go into the office, I'd leave on a Saturday and the guy there, especially in Charleston, it's a great city, the guys, you know, get ready to

watch, you know, Clemson versus USC is drinking beers and you're going to the rink and you're like, what am I doing here making seven grand, you know, a year like, and but then you, you enjoy the grind. And at the end, you're like, look, that was so worth it. They don't have the stories I could tell from like the sleeper buses and the and the travel and whatnot is something that kind of what makes you. So, you know, I think we're up to Canada, the president down there, you know, from Dorchester, you know, Keaton.

Yeah, Cooke's he's he's the best. I mean, he's kind of put that whole organization together and keeps it together. And, you know, obviously, Bedsie was down there, Jason Simmons was a scout with Washington, and Cale McClain was assistant coach in Calgary. There's been a lot of coaches that have come out of there. And I think Rob is the one that kind of keeps it all together. And the guy is, he's a hilarious human being. The stories go on about this guy that you wouldn't even believe, but it's a great's a great little, you know, group of guys down there that we, you know, we try to get back there once a summer. I went golfing last year with bed, Z Cooke's and, and, and carbs, uh, before the season.

And, and, you know, we just from, for 18 holes, we just talk hockey and, you know, the ex whether it's experiences in South Carolina or the NHL and, and that's how you learn, you get better. And I think that's what's so special about, you know, that kind of fraternity down there. Does Betsy rip the, he's so chill. Has he ripped the bong? Like he seems like a weed smoker or something, doesn't he? No, loves his bourbon, loves being in the woods. The funniest guy you'll ever meet. Like he's the longest storyteller there is.

He started a story in the second hole, didn't finish to the 12th. But like, like keeps you on the edge of your seat. Oh yeah, keeps you right on the edge of the seat. is he started a story the second hole didn't finish to the 12th but like I keep sound the edge of your seat oh yeah keeps you right on the edge of the seat he's another thing you mentioned about the ECHL when you coach like you have to do it all right you have to make trades you're basically like the general manager you're the hotels you have to do everything yeah I mean you're really you're making sure the bus shows up on time, you're doing meals,

you wear like a lot of different hats. And it's something that you learn as like kind of manage your time and as you go up in the levels, it gets almost a little bit easier. And, you know, I'll never forget, I was coaching there and the bus driver, we were going from Atlanta to back to Charleston. We played the next night and we hit a deer.

And in, and in Georgia, you have to pull over and like wait for the police to write their police report. And we lost like a bumper in the bus seat. George is like, Hey, you got to go put the flares out. And I'm like, we're on like 95 cars, flying by at four in the morning. I never forget. I was putting flares out. And I like texting my dad and my dad just put flares out. What am I doing with my life? Like I'm coming to Eminem trucking. Yeah, I'm gonna go work I'm coming to work next week

like cars are flying down my like My clothes are coming almost coming off the cut cars are flying so fast I'm putting no flares and whether guy that bus you smoking a cigarette waiting for the police to show up everyone else sleeping using the player of the late having a beer lightness cigarette it was unbelievable I'll never forget that cutting up the deer to eat actually catch like alligators was a crazy used to tell me a story you meet some characters playing the coast I played in Wheeling West Virginia our sleeper bus broke down about five six times before we even exited the city. We were halfway to Johnstown one game and we had a very big city either.

Yeah. We had the booster bus behind us. We had to swap out all of our gear on our sleeper bus over to the booster bus because our bus broke down while the booster had waited for the sleeper bus to get fixed to then bring them to Johnstown so they could meet us up at the game. But I just got one final one for me. Like what are like what is the most stressful aspect of making the jump and becoming an NHL head coach? I know you mentioned it becomes easier at the fact that you don't have to wear all those hats, but what was the most challenging thing this past year and just adapting and getting used to that role in a high pressure situation in the national hockey league. But just to grind the grind of it. I mean, it's every other night, you know, the travel, the practice time you don't refer a younger group we needed to practice, you don't have

a ton of practice time. So you got to make sure your meetings are very clear and concise and to the point, you know, and, and the situation we're in, this is the NHL, so at the end of the day it's results driven business, wins and losses. And when you don't win, you don't get that result, it's a challenge. And you got to keep pushing forward and help develop the players and continue to have that process of winning habits and getting these younger guys to understand how to play at that level was the biggest challenge. And I think when you win in the NHL, it's almost like a relief.

And then when you lose, you think the world's coming to an end. And I think every NHL head coach would tell you that. You go into Vancouver, you win, and next night you get Edmonton sitting there for you. And then this anxiety and the stress builds right back up again. And then you lose and you think the world's coming to an end. So dealing with that for me was something that I needed to get better at and improve on. And you have tunnel vision and try to stay where your feet are and what day you're at.

And whether that's a practice or a game and get the guys prepared as much as you can. And but it's a challenge, right game and get the guys prepared as much as you can. But that's it's a challenge right especially as competitive hockey people are competitive. They want to win whether you're playing pickleball on a you know off day in Fort Lauderdale or you're playing the Florida Panthers you want to win and you know being competitive and you're not getting that result can be extremely difficult you know. So you have to kind of enjoy the, enjoy the grind and embrace it instead of, you know, kind of fighting it. Love it. Ryan, we appreciate it, man.

It's been really exciting to see you kind of rise in the coaching ranks throughout pro hockey and to bring back a gold medal as the, as the coach of that team is just something that will stick with you forever. So congrats, you come from an amazing family, great people. We appreciate you coming on long overdue. Um, and, and here's to better times in San Jose, right? It's, it, it takes a, it takes a while to really build into a contender in this league, but you're the right man for the job. So thank you for joining the show, bud.

If you had to add one of us to your roster next season, who would you add? Oh, definitely. one of us to your roster next season who would you add? Definitely. We need a power play D man so bad. So he is we got to play. Well, but Keith trained Echflag when he was on suspension and next thing you know he's elbowing people in the head. So Yans might have changed his game. He's also playing great. He's playing phenomenal actually. If you need anybody to protect celebrating and Smith, I'll play for league minimum. I think they're good. There's still have them in Vegas on off days. So you don't want guys got protected them. Well, I mean, good Joe does a good job. You know, we got a young kid,

we just got a model of the stop truck kid is going to be a good player. So, I need these guys playing. All right. At Sam Dickinson's coming. He's Yes. We have some guys coming Dickinson Hilton and that's in love. Both those guys in London must see that was in Sudbury. So there's some guys coming to like, we see the light at the end of the tunnel here.

The future is bright. Chance. Yeah, he's gonna be a good player too big. He's nice. That's he's gay. Yeah All right, bud. Hey, have a great off season. You deserve it and I will talk to you soon Congrats, oh he showed it. I was gonna ask him. Oh, yeah, we should get him on. Yeah there. Yeah, I know that thing Wow, put it on put it on. Oh man I bet you I'd get you 15k on my eBay account for that Money, but that was I thought there was a hole in that thing. There is

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I wanted to ask you quickly about, how do you say his last name? So, Worsofsky. Worsofsky, Worsofsky. Worsofsky. So, they have, so four boys. We got Adam, I think it goes Adam, Jared, Ryan, Dave. Dave Wosofsky, star at BU, played in the NHL, hell of a player.

Ryan played himself. Adam's son, Chase is a very good player. He plays with Keith's nephew. So Ryan's nephew, Chase, plays with Keith's nephew, Colin, at Cushing Academy. They won it all this year. New England prep. I believe Chase just got asked to go to the national festival for players, 09 birth year, great player, great family.

So the dad, Mr. Wysowski and his wife Dawn, Mark and Dawn, great people. He started a trucking company years ago, Biz, and it just took off. M&M? M&M. And I think for times, Buddy has worked for them, correct Keith, your dad?

Yeah, he did. So great people, hard working, and Dave grew up playing with my brother Sean, so the Yandles, Whitney's, and Wazofskis have a connection, so happy for him, and I mean, to see his rise being that quick biz, I think you were on the shitter, but you know, it's kind of the coop model.

I mean, he wasn't in the USHL, but go to the coast, get to the finals, wins in the AHL, quickly up in the NHL. So San Jose's got a good one there. Seems like very personable. The guys love him, and you saw at Worlds how quickly it became a family there. So was there really no shock that at quick as the rise was for him knowing him from from back home? I remember we did a segment when I was working with with Sportsnet and it was like,

who do we think the next head coach in the NHL is going to be? And I didn't know anyone really. So I just said him and like I got text when he got hired from my Cassie Campbell and ace and David Amber. They're like, how the fuck did you know that? I'm like, I just took a guess because he's a family friend, you know, but so not, not surprised just cause he's one, he's one everywhere. He's one in the coast. He's one in the AHL. Um, you know, you can even see like we've talked about it this year, like they obviously weren't the best team, but they were fun to watch. You get guys like Celebrini and Smith and, you know, they're not just

out there playing pond hawk. You can tell he's got some structure to their game and he's, he's not letting them cheat the game where, you know, some of these young guys come in and they want to just go out there and get points and score goals. I didn't say that, but, uh, you can just tell that he's got, he's got that crew kind of locked into playing the right way and earning it because I think that stems from him knowing what it takes to win and he's done it in different leagues and obviously going to try to do it at this

level as well. It was interesting to hear him say, because we mentioned Will Smith struggling at the beginning and then he was playing a lot of wing, but he said right there at the end, like he's getting another bracket at 2C. So if you have Celebrini at first line center and Will Smith, you're kind of, you know, next 10 years laughing here, right? If these guys turn out to what I think they will be and a lot of prospects coming that Dickinson's a hell of a defenseman. So Sharks fans from, yeah, like you said, Keith, last year was like, holy shit, like I would, I literally wouldn't watch them. And then this year it was fun. You get a couple new players and it's good team to watch. Let's see where it

goes. So bright future there. I think, um, we got some other news, biz. I think we got to start Shani's out. Your guy is out. The jacket is being returned. What was your takeaway? I thought he released a great statement. I think the organization is in a way better spot than when he took over, right? And they weren't able to get over the hump, but do you want to say anything on him moving on? Yeah, I mean, I said it on game notes.

I mean, a lot of fan bases and teams would be happy with making playoffs for the amount of years they have in a row. Obviously the playoff success hasn't been there. It's unfortunate that it's came to the point where it's going to be dissolved to a certain degree in a sense of like, you don't know if JT is coming back. It's more than likely Marner is not coming back. I don't know enough of like the background story on, you know, whether there was rumblings that maybe Dubis wanted to move on from Marner. Maybe it was in fact Shani who did or vice versa, whatever it was. And essentially they nixed it and they kept them and they decided to trust in that process

and figuring it would eventually turn around and work. So at a certain point, I guess they got to change things up and look at a new direction. But you know, you know, there, there are successes in the midst of it and then there are failures. And you know, when you're, when you're the guy at the top, I guess you got to eat that to a certain degree. And I'm sure looking back at his tenure, there were some, you know, some of the mistakes that were made.

I mean, I would view the Hyman situation I would probably say In what they had hiring Dubas at the time They did was maybe like a weird move I find just in the sense of you know An inexperienced guy at the helm where it was such a pivotal moment in the organization's time Get like overpayment of those guys not having the money to sign Hyman It was such a pivotal moment in the organization's time. Get like overpayment of those guys not having the money to sign Hyman. Moving on from Kaudry when they did, a lot of people say, well, it was back to back years.

He took those suspensions and playoffs. Mind you, I think that we were in a time where the wokeness online was dictating suspensions and the way the game was going. And that's unfortunate Because you had it had them at such a cheap number and then you panic move off of them and you don't get enough back And return so it sucks like I really feel that there was an opportunity to make this team a cup winner and a cup contender and Now it's you know, they're gonna have to do so without his help

So I hope that he he's able to move on and go find work somewhere else. But I appreciate everything. Like I said, he did for us at the all star game last year and make me feel as small of a part as I was as a part of it. Guys, Alan Walsh told a pretty interesting story on his podcast this past week about Mark Andre Flurry and how they actually had a trade in place to send him from Chicago to Toronto. And he was going to play out the second half of the season, wanted to make a playoff run in Toronto. Dubas believed in the deal, Chicago believed in the deal. And then Dubas told Alan Walsh, this just has

to go up the chain. And once it got to Toronto ownership, the deal got next. So I wonder how often was Toronto ownership stepping in on deals and pushing them to make deals. But what would that have changed? Like to me that brought down there. What do you mean? You get an experienced goalie. Goaltending has been their biggest issue in the playoffs.

No, it hasn't been their issue. I think last year it was. Was it not or two years ago? I wonder if they'll give flower a ambassador's jersey for almost being a maple leaf. When are you going to fucking let that die? You fucking asshole. They grabbed you on waivers, biz.

I'm with you. That's what I'm saying, bro. They wanted me. What about I was like, ah, my services are not available. That's what I'm saying. I went and helped you in a fucking couple playoff rounds there all the way to the Western Conference finals To game how about TNT putting two NHL playoff games played on my name? No, they just don't make come on. I know like your network to like just don't even put it Yeah, graphics guys. We're gonna get a right hook. I'm going to be in lunch. They could say went to the Western conference finals. They don't need to know how many games were controlled. The ox played in Western coyotes

team ox court team dinner at Western conference final. Put on going back to a G said like I don't also don't know what they were going to be getting off of as far as like a, I got an asset to get a rental and flower. And I don't know if at that point that was the answer once again, like I think the biggest one was maybe nixing the fact that they could have moved on from our, from Marner actually got something of value. And all of a sudden you're not losing the guy for nothing and given the fact that he hasn't really done much in games crunch time games five through seven in any playoff series throughout his tenure what was it no goals in 20 games five through seven in any playoff round throughout his playoff career so I am gonna go back to

what I said at the beginning of the podcast for people who were not around. Like, like out of spite, I just want them to fucking offer Marner eight times 12. If he, if he didn't take that, I'd say you're a coward, move on, see you later. If the noise is too much for you in Toronto, the reason the noise is so big is because you fucking bent this over for 11 on entry level. And we really got nothing for it come playoff time other than these hundred point regular season performances. So Nyes would have to take eight times eight if Nyes thinks this is the problem with guys in Toronto, though they have this over inflated ego because they're reading their names in the press clippings after they have one good season. Like a great job. Nice. I truly believe that you're, you're a first slide future in Toronto. But if you think that you're worth more than eight times eight, maybe eight times

eight and a half, if you really want to lock them in for the full eight years. Bro, you've had one good year and you get to play with Austin Matthews and Mitch Marner signed the deal. If you don't want to be here, fuck off. That's what they got to start telling guys moving forward you got guys that want to play for the front of the jersey I'd rather have I'd rather have a full team of fucking second-liner working their dick off and falling short and pushing the limits all the way to game seven than having fucking guys bail out and and playing flu flu hockey like I want guys who want to wear the jersey and

Marner can prove that if they offer him eight times twelve, and he doesn't want it get pack and fuck off Seriously, that's a What do you mean Union? Do not I think that you would say no to that so fast and that makes He would say no to that so fast and that makes him lose. And what do you think he's gonna get? See you later, buddy. How much do you think he's gonna get? Bye-bye. Buddy, he's got 31 teams, right, taking out Toronto.

He's gonna get at least 13 million bucks, if not 13 and a half, 14. And do I agree with it? No, but it takes one team to do it. And I think it's gonna happen. Now, I respect what you're saying, man. And I think that Toronto will make sure that the offer sheet with Nye's stuff maybe doesn't even get to the offer sheet.

They get assigned a floor. And Leech Stans might think I'm crazy. If you offer him a healthy deal in financial security for the rest of his life after having one big season. If he says no and wants to play that game, fuck off. Well, why can't Jack Hughes, why can all these other studs take the eight times eight and he can't I agree over that the whole fucking pay me, pay me, pay me fucking do something.

When I win a mug or some hardware before we start handing over these ridiculous deals. Yans is gonna say, what, is it your money? No. No, I'm not. I love how he's calling it the mug. All of a sudden this episode, win a mug. I love that.

I haven't heard a mug in a while. My orders are on track. Cause I got my mug. We got other news. Go ahead, Keith, go ahead. No, I wanna talk about the least for another 30 minutes. Going back to Shanahan, I don't know exactly what a president does, but you look at he's been there, what they've drafted, what they've, you know, they've made the playoffs a ton

of years. Like he's done an amazing job there. You can't, you can't blame him too much for everything. Like he's gotten them to the point that they're getting in the playoffs every single year, which is huge for any organization, never mind the Leafs. So I think he's going to go on to do great things as Brendan Shanahan always will. No doubt. Well said, Jans. Can either one of you guys though, because I think it's maybe confusing to fans, even to me at times, you have the GM and you have the president.

I think people wonder, like, who is in charge, right? Like, for example, you see Vancouver and Rutherford's the president. All is it Patrick Alveen? What's his name? And the GM. So it's like, I do think at times it's like, who, who is the final say? Like, does the president just take over everything? Like, I think fans have a right to wonder like what does the president do or if? He's doing it all what does the GM do you do you get what I'm saying there biz?

Yeah, I don't like I just don't know what I don't know goes on behind the scenes as to who who has control like Akalini in Vancouver. Yeah, He's calling the shots. My, my, my assumption is that he didn't want to get rid of Petey and he was willing last year to pay him the money that they paid him in order to silence all the noise and the fact that he was having the decline, but as we know, when you have owners who don't have a hockey background and they want to stick their nose in a little bit too much it can really hurt your organization and sometimes it's like Carolina like I truly believe that that owner is way too involved making decisions like was the cock in the Emmy not a spiteful offer

sheet that they saw with about the whole thing and all of a sudden you give cock the Emmy eight years what's he he making 4.8 to? for what we didn't bring up his hit by the way where he Swung his leg around and his stick But I could who was that the while you see fucking doing something out there for five fucking million I mean they got him Cito but Cito in Florida He's the president and the GM like I I just feel like maybe it's just title, but when you have one of each, two different guys,

there has to be some sort of too many cooks in the kitchen here. Unless the president is like, I'm just the head figure and you're calling all the shots, but if you have different opinions, then what is one guy worth more than the other? It's just, I think it's confusing. I don't know, but all I wanna go back to is asking you, Whit, if Marner has done what he's done with

the Toronto Maple Leafs and he's proven that he can't live up to those big moments coming the second round, all those five through seven games, if they offer him eight times 12 to stick around, you think he's a coward if he doesn't take it? I wouldn't say coward, that's a harsh word. Why though? I would say he has no desire to be on the Maple Leafs anymore if he turns that down. Especially getting booed on his way out,

like it just looks like they're writing a book. You said that in a few fans push back where it wasn't directed at Marner, it was directed towards the team. You're saying every time he touches the no, no, no. His last two shifts, his last two shifts and he didn't play the last three, four minutes when he touched it, it got louder. For sure. Yeah. For sure. And I wouldn't say coward, but I'd say if he wants to be on the maple leafs, if he's like, I'm from Toronto and this is not done yet, then he would accept 12 times eight, a hundred percent. I'll go

with you on that deal yeah it's fine an extra year too he's getting the extra year so that makes up for the fact he's not making that 13 million and I don't know man I just feel like he's got he's got something to prove to Leafs fans and I think that he can completely change the narrative if he if he was willing to take a little bit of a hometown discount, given the fact he hasn't showed up in those big moments. It's $96 million to remain a member of the Maple Leafs. I agree with you.

How much has he made? I agree with you. Yeah, no, I'm speaking as you are. We're all agreeing. That's why I used the word coward. Because it's like they're all agreeing. That's why I fucking used the word coward. Because it's like they're still offering them $96 million. They're still saying we believe in you. And because it got a little noisy when I didn't show up,

I'm going to go somewhere else where it's less noisy. Fuck you. Fuck you. I get what you mean now. This was the biz we thought we'd see. He needs a mug. I'm saying that I'll still be willing to hand that over to him. He's the only question my fucking loyalty to Marner. And if I'm Marner in his camp, I haven't been offside with anything that I've said. I'm still saying I believe in him. Let's fucking get it done in Toronto, buddy. Let's fucking get it done here.

And if you walk, if you fucking walk, I'm done with you. Hey, what if he signed somewhere seven times seven? If he signed eight times 12, that would bring his career earnings up to, I think, $166 million. I mean, I think that's... Bro, you could pound my old lady if you paid me that much money. Like, I'd fucking sit in the diddy chair in the corner and watch

Your Chuck the move. You haven't fucking scored a goal in Games five through seven and I'm giving you a hundred and sixty six fucking sheets Let's move on to the quick hits before I have a nervous fucking breakdown bring back my fucking core four. I think that Islanders fans have some excitement in their life. And shout out me, who basically got them the first overall pick. When I talked, the clip came out at the Sandbagger with the foreplay crew on the range. I'm like, wow, you did it again. You kind of battled throughout just to miss the playoffs and now you're not going to get a high pick.

And boom, the Whitm mush gets them the first overall pick Lou is gone. The players can now grow beards and use clear tape the way they want to use it on their shin pads and Matthew Darsh comes in now. This has been a name that's been rumored in GM openings for quite a while I feel he spent time with with Tampa Bay and he's worked his way up. Actually, based on his Wikipedia page, after he retired, it says he served as Vice President of Sales and Marketing in Canada for Del Mar International,

which is a freight forwarding service that's based out of New York. So, kind of out of the game, if that Wikipedia is true, you gotta trust it on the internet, on Wikipedia. But then back into the game and has worked his way up and up and now he's getting the chance to take over a team who God damn it was the where the Islanders close to winning a Stanley Cup They lost one nothing in the Stanley Cup final against Tampa Bay in game seven and

Remember they're playing the Canadians there. No, it was the cup final. It was the cup final. It was the Canadians. That thing was done. The Canadian, that was it. That was, and it was- Very pricey shooting Roman candles out of his asshole that whole run.

There's no way they were winning that Stanley Cup final. Yeah, he had done so much. But the Islanders since then, it's been the older core. It's been not trading Paul Mary at the deadline. They didn't trade Anders Lee. They're captain at the deadline. They didn't trade Anders Lee. They're captain at the deadline. They did get rid of Brock Nelson where they got, is it Cal Ricci? Is that his name?

Somebody correct me quickly. Yes, Cal Ricci in the trade. Stud from Colorado. You have Iserman from BU. That was a first round pick. You have, I don't know what's going on with Dobson But like they're they're now with the first overall pick coming which also means the 33rd pick which you can get a hell of a player at Now there might be some maybe different style hockey in Long Island. Do they move on some from some veterans?

Are they able to kind of maybe even not try to get in the playoffs this year and and strip it down a little bit More and realize it's gonna be be a little here, a little time here. But the Islanders fans got to be excited because while Lou is this hall of famer and did a hell of a job there, considering where they were when he got there, the time had come for some new blood, a new leader and Matthew Darsh is the man. So I think overall Islanders fans let us know in the comments, are you as excited as I've heard some people? Oh, Yance has something.

What if Marner does what JT did to the Islanders to Toronto? Hey, dude, he would be nasty and long like that's kind of a, him and barzell and dancing around out there. Dobson the core three. What are we seven times 10? Punches a hole in his wall and then he comes out in the press conference and he's like he's like, hey, this happened because that asshole fake ambassador Paul Bisson that he dogged me time after time after time. And yeah, now he's hanging by a Toronto Maple Leafs necktie in a hotel room in Atlanta getting shirped by even his producers playing two playoff games in his career

He's like he's like You know the Islanders offered me seven times 15 a year But I took seven times seven just to shut biz up so you can get more players, and then they then they offer sheet so you can get more players and then they then they offer sheet. Nice, nice goes there to if Marner goes to the Islanders, he better put a fucking restraining order on me. I'll tell him that. I think he already has that. That's going to be used in the court case right there, folks. I respect it, but you're a man that speaks what you truly feel.

But that could end up being in a court case up in your sand. Nice is going to jump ship to to Long Island as well Yeah, cuz Marner's gonna Marner's gonna get offered seven times 15. He's gonna say you know what I've made a ton Give me seven times seven. Let's go offer sheet nice But the extra dough and then get stole ours on waivers So I go right to fucking Walmart and fucking on waivers. I go right to fucking Walmart and fucking... Now the question I guess remains does Patrick Was stay as the coach? Don't know. Seemed to be that he had some choice words for like the roster makeup at times. I don't know if

a new GM necessarily wants a coach who will kind of maybe call him out a little bit. I don't know what's going to happen there, but exciting hire who everyone around the league has said would be a guy who'd become a GM at some point. So Islanders, there you go. And you're welcome for the first overall pick. The Blackhawks hired Jeff Blashill as their next head coach. I don't know how Blackhawks fans feel about this. Ben the assistant in Tampa the past three seasons was the head coach in Detroit from 2015, 2022 as you see right there.

Biz or Keith, did you have a takeaway? Were you surprised? I think they were probably going after some other people. I don't know, maybe that job isn't what people are looking for right now. Some coaches. Well, they originally were talking to the DU coach, Carl. And then all of a sudden, I don't know if it was

because maybe he wanted a little bit more say in decisions that were being made and was it gonna get that right? Yeah, I feel like he does have a little bit of experience. I mean, he was last in Detroit. Where was he before that assistant in Tampa? Yeah last three seasons. Yeah, so Yeah, I don't know. I mean you hope that he's gonna be able to get through there's gonna be some still some some rough years

ahead, but Seems like he he was a college coach beforehand to it was at Miami of Ohio Yeah, and Ferris State for like I think he coached college coach beforehand to it was at Miami of Ohio. Yeah. And Ferris state for like, I think he coached college for 10 years. I feel like he can relate to the younger players and it is more of a, like a new school type of coach who's not going to be crazy, crazy hard on them. So yeah, I'm interested to see what he's able to do with that young group. And if he get through to Badaard and how much talent they're going to be able to attract in order to continue to grow that organization back to what it once was. So I don't really have much else. We didn't ask Ryan Wasowski, but a bright spot for the Hawks is not just Badaard and Vlasik on D.

It's Frank Nazar. I'm sorry if I'm messing up his name, but the kid can play. It was his first year pro, spent time in the AHL, lit it up, was up playing phenomenal hockey at the end of the year for the Blackhawks, looked great at the Worlds, so they have him. But looking at Blaschel as the head coach in Detroit, they lost in the first round his first season, missed the playoffs his next six years. So I think as a Hawks fan, it's like, all right, well, kind of was maybe hoping for somebody with a better track record as a head coach, which I get.

But who? Like who's even available? Like, I don't. Well, there were a lot of guys available, but they didn't want that job. But who? Like who's available? Well, I mean, Mike Sullivan ends up getting hired, right?

No, but I'm saying like- Hawk, it's available, that, I mean, Mike Sullivan ends up getting hired, right? No, I'm like, why? But I'm saying like pockets available. That's what I'm saying. There were big names, but they're not going to. Outside of those guys, though, like who's the who's the next option? Like, who's still sitting at home? You got a cousin or something? You want to give an NHL job to right now? I would say maybe the oldie. Oh, yeah. Canadian oldie would be good What about he was la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie la vie the one who was in Florida got canned Vegas got canned New York got canned. Turk. Oh yeah. Go on.

I don't know. Woodcroft is a young guy who I feel like they, what they got off to that horrible start a few years ago. And do you feel like he unfairly got the ax and deserves another job in the league? Like you're the oilers guy wit. Like you see Woodcroft getting his feet wet again? Possibly. I you see Woodcroft getting his feet wet again? Possibly. I could see that.

I mean, have there not been rumblings that he could be the Bruins coach? Look from an Oilers fan, Woodcroft would be great for any developing team. Um, yeah, I mean, Edmonton, they, they had some good teams. It was just time. Like you could tell they needed a change, but I would be shocked if he didn't get another chance. That's actually. Yeah. I wonder if Chicago even reached out to him.

It seemed like Chicago was set in stone on getting David Karl. And, and what was told to us is a big offer and he still decided no. So that's when they're like, oh shit, like, you know, and Jeff Blaschel has been a coach forever, but they obviously, he obviously wasn't their first choice. Let's say that. But let's see what he can do with a team similar to San Jose. They got a long way to go. Can he be

the guy who gets them back into the playoffs and into the mix and makes Boudard play a certain way while keeping his skill and his creativity and all his offense there? Can he get him to play a different style? Fucking make the guard do it. I'll go on a couple more nights and there'll be another restraining order. Little righty forwards who are skilled are your restraining order kryptonite. I'll fucking whip him in a playoff shape. I'll be... Hey, hey, hey Marner, Badard, you guys want to lift the mug? Come talk to old busy boy here. Call their cup champion.

Call their cup champ. Two games played. Two games played in the Western Conference Final. No, one of them was in the first round against the Detroit Red Wings. We got swept that year. I played game four. Got the shit against. I got to shake Nick Lindstrom's hand. I don't think he knew why I was throwing the line up then. Basically like winning a mug. That's basically, that winning way was rubbed off on me in that handshake line

And then that's why later on Got to a Western Conference finals a few years later And then of course a caller cup champion in which some people look at my hockey DB and say you had no points during that Whole caller cup run points aren't everything I do the intangibles Yeah setting up dinners playing the music. That's what wins you mugs Thomas to tar guys he signed in Switzerland. Oh next two years played a 927 career NHL games

496 points had some really good runs with a bunch of different how many games did he play says 927 is that correct? This is on the note. All time is wrong. That is kind of like the Montreal fans. Thomas, that's that. Yeah, 920, I would have honestly guessed like 450. Who was it from the Islanders we thought played his 400th game in the river?

It was Lee. No, no, it was. It wasn't Brock Nelson. No, it was the righty. We can't even think of his name right now. This is pathetic. Well, we've been going 245, look at us, we're on a marathon. Nielsen? No, was it Nielsen?

No. Oh, this is so bad, man. It was Andrew Cop. No, it wasn't. It was Josh Bailey. Bailey. Josh Bailey. She comes flying in with Andrew Cop who was never even on the islanders

Gargoyles tracksuit and bag. What are you talking about? Right before the sandbagger we have the clip Biz also forgot Andrew cop even played in the NHL if you guys remember that too So that all well, no Yes happened as well. No. Yes, it did. He's like, you're a cop. You're a cop, right?

He's like, no, it's my last name. You're asking us on the way there. And I was like, he played 400 NHL games. You're like, what? No, I didn't even know he played any. Yeah, I think I was being sarcastic about being, I didn't even know he played in the show, but I knew he dipped his toe in, but whatever.

That's like Shredwick had no idea who I was. Can we just talk about Marner again? Russia banned from the Olympics guys bomber bomber people are fucking flipping out wow can you say that's a bomber war crimes horrible just want them in the hockey Olympics yeah yeah this has nothing to do with dropping you want to see Ovechkin and Kucherov and Nikitian and the goalies and I want to see Ovechkin and Kucherov and Nikitian and the goalies. And I want to see the torch passed off. It's going to be a lot would be the last opportunity that Ovechkin, Malkin, Malkin, who's, who's one other older guy who, who probably this would be his last

Olympics. I mean, Panarin maybe. What'd you say? He said Andrew Cobb. We're getting off. Can we end this podcast? Yeah. Congrats to the Minnesota Frost. One back to back Walter cups in the PWHL handle coin Schofield. What a legend dude. Back to back mugs. How many games of those went to overtime? I think it was all four of them. They won-1 all four all four so that's some action PWHL popping off if you haven't watched please on the foreplay channel go watch spitting shit clips foreplay 27-hole bonanza there'll be more to come with that game notes Friday noon Eastern can

the Edmonton winners take a commanding 3-1 series lead tonight in the Terror Dome? I believe they can. Can Carolina force a flight back to Lauderdale for game six? I believe they can as well. I need that series to go longer. I don't need Florida finishing that off and waiting around for us in what could be the most epic Stanley Cup final rematch we've ever seen. Yes. Yes, Detroit and Pittsburgh went to seven that second year and Pittsburgh got the win in Detroit as I was sitting on my coach literally crying after they won. I could be crying. I could be crying tears of joy this year if McDavid somehow beats the Florida Panthers game seven in Edmonton this year. A long way

to go. I'm not counting out the Dallas Stars like a lot of Oilers fans and I'm not counting out the Hurricanes either. Thank you everyone for watching. Thank you to Craig Ludwig and his shin pads, Tripp Tracy and his love of Rod Brindemore's mom walking her down the aisle, and Ryan Wasowski, gold medal winning coach in the world championship. Love you guys. Love you, Trav. See you next week. Quickly, this is Chicklet's memes. The Leafs taking back business. He's ambassador jacket Get us off get us off business bring him back the core. That's the new president of the leafs This feeling is so hard to wear

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