Spittin Chiclets - Spittin' Chiclets Episode 641: Featuring Sean Avery & Erik Johnson

Episode Date: April 27, 2026

On Episode 641 of Spittin' Chiclets, the guys are joined by hot take specialist Sean Avery and Cup Champion Erik Jonhson to talk about the first round matchups so far. What does Colorado need to do to fix their power play? How injured is McDavid? Is Buffalo making a deep run this year? All this and more on this weeks episode, you won't want to miss it. Support the Show: PINK WHITNEY: Go get a bottle of Pink Whitney. Pinkies UP! RHOBACK: Go to https://Rhoback.com and use code CHICLETS for 20% off your first purchase through the end of the week. BODYARMOR: Work hard and hydrate hard with BODYARMOR Flash I.V. Grab it at 7-Eleven AURAFRAMES: Exclusive $25-off Carver Mat at https://on.auraframes.com/CHICLETS. Promo Code CHICLETS REESE'S: Get Reese's at https://www.hersheyland.com/reeses DRAFTKINGS: Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app and use code CHICLETS so you’re ready for the moment. That’s code CHICLETS. Turn five bucks into $100 in bonus bets instantly. In partnership with DraftKings. The Crown Is Yours.You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or Netflix. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/schiclets

Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed to the jungle that is Boswell Sports. I brought it toward the coyotes and I asked him if it was okay if I joined the SpitChickels podcast full-time. Ryan Whitney's got a pink Whitney out there now. This is a bandbagger. Get that on camera. Keith Yandel, the Sank Man. It's a full-time member. Marley just got an assist from Chris Bates. Whoa, we're buzzing right now.

Sank. up everyone welcome to a very very very specially highly anticipated episode of spit and chicklets it's number 641 before we get to everyone before we get to thoughts before we get to reactions and maybe overreactions let's shout out pink whitney pinkies up uh biz i'm trying to not get angry at you putting on that oilers jersey but i'm never angry at pink whitney actually some people may think that this is coffee in my cup but after last night the oilers going down through on it's just straight pink whitney um not even ice, not even ice. So it's been Pink Whitney for me, left, right center,

Pink Whitney for all the fans in the NHL, maybe fans of every sport everywhere. I think Pink Whitney was all over the NFL draft. I know crazy Pittsburgh people crushing Pink Whitney in a parking lot. If you go to the NFL draft, you're insane. Shout out Pink Whitney, Pinky's up. Thank you so much. What a fucking joke.

What a disgrace. I have a couple things to say before I throw it over to you guys. Pay it. I crashed out last night. And what's unbelievable, the dishonest journalism these days, and everyone just posting the video I made right after it was called a goal in the Anaheim Ducks Edmonton Oilers Game 4, they're posting the video where I had a crashout.

Any person who roots for a team in the world, if you're a true fan and a diehard, you'd had the same reaction as I did. There were many Oilers fans that had the same reaction as I did. Having looked at it later, having getting back to my hotel, I calmed down. I said, listen, that puck was probably in. I'm still not willing to say 100%. I'll say 99.8% chance the puck was in.

I then released another video where I made it very clear that my entire opinion that I'm upset about is based on the fact that those refs called that a goal on the ice. I will never understand it. I will never understand why they were able to do it. They were both standing on the boards. No one could see anything. They saw Ryan polling put his hands in the air.

and they heard that the pawn go crazy. And they were like, okay, I treated out that they said, hey, did you see anything? No, I didn't see anything. What do you think? I didn't see anything either. Oh, we can't call a goal then. No, the fans are cheering and polling has his hands in there, so let's call it a goal.

Oh, we have a goal on the ice. The puck was probably in. The puck was 99.9% chance in. I just don't get biz how you call it a goal in the ice. I don't get it. I don't understand it. And I don't care if everyone's selling me. Okay, Witt, if they didn't call it,

it a goal on the ice, but it ended up being a goal, then they got the call right. But no, no, no, no, no, because you have to have full proof. And if it was called no goal on the ice, I do not think that that is called a goal once they review it. Somebody say something. He literally kicked it over to you, Biz. You put this jersey on two days ago, absolutely mush this guy's team. And now you sit there in silence and say nothing when he throws them.

Well, I'm not. I'm collecting my thoughts. I'm like I'm taking it all in. And I just want to express the level of gratitude I have right now to be recording this podcast and not just with this situation, but just with the amazing competitive, insane hockey we've seen over the last few days. Like I have the best job in the world. I have the best job in the world. I just want to thank everyone I want to, even Oilers fans out there right now listening, even though you want to spike your phones or punch your steering steering wheels while you're listening.

I'm going to start with this. The fact that people keep posting that still image of the referee in the corner and then the two other refs out saying, how can you call that a goal on the ice? How can you call that a goal on the ice? He clearly, as the player for Anaheim starts celebrating, you could see him start making his ways closer and closer and closer towards the net. Does he ever go like this to signal a goal?

No, he actually kind of goes like this. No, he doesn't. He goes like this to be like, what the fuck's going on? What's he celebrating? Let me ingest what's going on here. Whoa, whoa, whoa, everybody. And as he comes from that angle, people say, how can he see that the puck's in?

You could see the puck is in from where he's skating from as he gets closer to that way easier than you would be from that overhead can. By the time he gets there, because I'm pretty sure Murphy had already put it under his skate, though. it back. He needed, the ref didn't get there in time to see before Murphy hit it a split second. Okay,

that's fine. But he would have at least started creeping up a little bit and had a better angle to like, see the red line and see where the puck was because the blade is like this far off the ice. It's not like right on the puck, right? So you would be able to see it way of way better from an angle coming from the corner that he did compared to that picture right there that you see on camera that we all.

saw. So to say that the ref didn't see that this thing was across the line because he didn't signal a goal. He was, I think he just put his hands like this like, whoa, what the fuck is going on? This is chaotic. We got a guy celebrating like it's Patrick Kane on game six

when he scored over the flyers like, whoa, whoa, what the fuck's going on? He never signaled the goal then. He never signaled the referee who's just as perplexed. Usually if you don't see it go in, you do nothing for this reason. For this reason. So you just try to ingest it.

So he's like, and, and a credit, credit to, was it polling? Is that you say his last? Paling. Payling. Payling. Paling. Credit to paling. I think his celebration had a lot to do with the influence of the fact.

Why are you laughing? Because that's like kind of my point. Like if this is, well, it feels like I trust him. I trust him over the rep. He's the guy. What are you, if you, you're telling me any player who puts it there, whether it's in or not, isn't going to fucking start. Well, well, whoa.

Usually the guys know, don't you think? You can't criticize somebody's natural reaction as far as the ref being like, whoa, whoa, whoa, when then a player sees it over the line and he's going crazy just like Patrick Cain did. Let me tell you something. I can criticize any of the fucking thing I want. That's fine, buddy. That's fine.

But I think it's up. Let me ask you. Actually, let me get this out there. Do I think it was a goal? Yes. So in the end and, okay, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, and I agree. that is that is that is it if they called that no goal on the ice do you think it stands as no goal biz i i honestly okay so so if you're going based on the rule and them saying well we can't

technically see it across the line what i tweeted out with is clearly the way that the skate blade is and where the line is you can essentially see that the puck is in i think everybody on planet earth if they were hooked up to a lie detector and you said is this puck in the in the net yes or no they would find fucking, it would be yes. Okay. So what I think is for fucking the first time ever, it seems like common sense has prevailed. Yeah.

And if fucking all the Oilers fans want to bitch and complain and blah, blah, blah, direct your attention towards the fact that this has been an absolute fucking gong show as far as roster management and all the fucking nonsense with goaltending that they put up with over the last three years. Jerry was great. It's a, let, listen. I'm not talking about last night's performance in net, all right? Hey, I thought Jari was solid.

How about let's talk about the fact that leading up to this, okay, in the last six game fours when trailing a series two to one, Edmont tennis found a way to win. They had six straight wins in game fours when trailing a series two to one. They go into Anaheim in a do or death die situation essentially. They're down 3-1 right now. Their backs are against the wall. If I, I think, you think there's no chance they come back?

I think if there's one team that could do it, it would be the Emmington orders. We know, because we know that they play crack hockey. But I think that this series with coach, Coach Q behind the bench, the same thing we saw all season long, down two, they come back to tie it, down one late, they tie it. They're the comeback kids. Yance brought up the stat right before the end of regular season, what Coach Q's done with this roster. But the fact that they go in to Anaheim, game first. do-or-die situation and they get outshot and out-chanced. Forget even the out-shot and out-chance.

They're up to nothing. They're up two-nothing and three to two. And what happens? This fucking duck's fourth line. I know. I'm so sick and tired of this duck's first line. We got a fourth line. We got a defenseman.

We got a guy who played at Western Michigan last year. Wastern. And we got a guy who played at Western. who the Bruins had for about eight seasons that was in Providence most of the time. They're dominating. They're dominating. We got McDavid injured, okay? On the PK still, I do, can you explain that one to me?

Because he's on the PK and the Ducks second power play goal. Why is he on the PK? He's, he's hurt. He's injured. Now, last night, I don't think the straightaway speeds that affected, but obviously when he went around Seneca, I think that little burst he's missing is what gets him around Doe's style to put it around his back. How many times have we seen him go wide and then the goal he's too fast, but it was that split second. That injury's been the killer.

Jari was good. Now, at the same time, that wasn't a great goal. Nope. That wasn't a great goal at the end. But no matter what, you're up to nothing, man. You're up to three to two. And you can't close the deal. And what did I say?

No, man, my second, my other video last, I think I made a couple. Saying the Ducks fans shouldn't have watched the series is just, that's an all-time fumble. Saying I'll never root for the Oilers again if they don't win. That's an all-time fumble. Oh, you're on a run right now. The Oilers are not as good as last year.

I thought, whoa, whoa, whoa, I thought you said this was the best team that they've assembled. I thought that was. Have you ever changed your mind? He's taken back a lot of shit. ever changed your mind, Biz? Because I believe you said that Wa and who was the other guy that they were going to add up

to take Marner's offense to the same level. Wa, Wa, Wa, has been. I think it was Waugh. Who's the other guy? Hey, well, if you're going, if you're going, if you're going to say, have you ever changed your mind? If we're going on there, no, I don't, because Waugh's been more effective than Marner had.

Not on your playoffs. Yeah, not on your lease. Have you ever changed your mind, is my point. Now, yes, the Oilers, I don't understand. I want to give credit though to the ducks. The ducks are nasty. What I don't get is, and you guys can tell me if you remember a situation like this prior,

they were horrible at the end of the season. Horrible, enough to the point where it's like they could miss the playoffs. I don't remember a team turning it on like this. Maybe the oilers are just that bad. And with McDavid hurt, they're just like, oh, the ducks didn't even have to turn on that much. They look incredible. and I don't remember a team boys where that's why I was so cocky

did I get way over my skis. Yeah, I was on a dull black diamond I'd never skied before. I don't remember a team turning it on like this. I can't. They were horrible. They were giving up seven goals a game the last month. When did it,

when is a team ever done this? Do you guys remember or what? And with being that young too, you would think that would have bled into the playoffs, but I don't know whatever's been going on in that long run. I don't know if it's, Q. I don't know if it's the older guys in that locker room. Older guys.

The way that they've settled that down and put these young guys in a good position. The young guys are carrying them too. This Goetia is a sick, sick joke of a play. That shot he had was insane. Leo Carlson. So I think it was maybe one of those things. We all know, especially

in an Olympic year with a crazy schedule, maybe just towards the end of the year, they got gassed out and just didn't have anything left. And then whatever they had, their pregame meetings before this playoffs their practices before this playoffs whatever was said between those guys has got them going and the young legs are winning right now i will take i will take the heat biz i will take the heat to this because everyone's always said you're a one-man team you're

a two-man team leon connor i just can't help but think if connor's healthy it's a different story i don't buddy that's i understand that is the loser mentality and it's next man up and everyone's playing injured. But when you have a guy who literally is like Wayne Gretzky in the playoffs that gets hurt and can't do what he always does with cutbacks and ninja moves, it's just, it is what it is.

I would, what do you think about it? If McDavid was McDavid, and you can obviously tell he's injured, I don't think it's 3-1. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, I mean, I think it's obvious. He's a wounded duck. But it sucks, man.

It sucks not seeing him 100%. I agree. It's probably a little bit of a different story. But I mean, fuck, man. I don't know, man. Leon put on quite the performance when he had that high ankle sprain a few playoffs ago. Like,

I mean, you know, there's a lot of guys banged up right now. I know, but Leon, I agree. But Leon doesn't, his game wasn't, his game wasn't the cut back,

stops, it starts, quick turns. So it, do you don't, do you get that? I, buddy,

I completely agree. And it sounds like maybe there's some fucking going back to the drawing board for McDavid and finding a way to maybe add some different things to his bag that translate better to play off hockey. Like I'm not saying that he's not a fucking, listen, when he's fucking 100% and he's zipping around out there, yeah, he's one of the best players in the world, if not the best. I mean, you saw it at the Olympics. You got the MVP.

I don't know. Couldn't find a way to really penetrate in the fucking gold medal game. Now, could he? I don't know. Fuck, man. But it goes back to what Yan said, man. Look at these veterans. Like, I think a lot of people, gee, just messaged in there.

I think people thought when Alex Colorn got the deal he got, even though it was a four-year deal. Like, it was a lot of money. But Coulorin's not paid to fucking dance and fucking shine in the regular season. He's made for when the hockey gets hard. And I think that, like, Troy Terry's been awesome. And it's been a perfect blend of these veterans. Like, credit them for having the balls and the persistence to go get John Carlson to bring him over. Like, Goudis isn't even in the lineup and they're getting this done.

They don't need that fucking toughness. Jackson McColl, man. He's a joke. He's a joke. He's leading the playoffs and scoring for fuck's sake. Yeah. He's got eight points. And guys, in classic fashion,

we've talked many times about the, the decision to not draft Walstead. You know, the wall of St. Paul? Yeah, McLean. In 2019, the NHL draft went down. and with the 38th pick, the Edmonton Oilers selected, Raphael Levoy, I don't know if I'm saying that right. Oh, that's Savoy's cousin.

Yeah, yeah, LeBoy. The 39th pick was Jackson fucking Lecombe. It's just a comedy show after comedy routine. Steve Harvey, Theo Vaughn, left and right of Oilers' decisions and Oilers' management of their roster. And listen, Matthew Savoy had a great season played in every game. would you rather him or Ryan McLeod right now? How would Dylan Hallway and Broberg look?

Having said all that, how about how about how about how about this too, though? How about this this fucking wagon of a team that's supposed to be a cup contender? They couldn't even win the pillow fight of a fucking Pacific division. They put themselves in this situation to go against Anaheim in the first round two. They should have been fucking playing. They should have been playing Utah, not saying it would have gone any better for them in that series either

because the way that Utah is buzzing. but definitely a lot easier, in my opinion, than going against one of the, if not, is either all-time or second all-time and wins in playoff history, Coach Quimble. I'm pretty sure we all came to an agreement on this podcast that we'd rather play Anaheim than Utah. We like talking about that. I think mostly because of the way Anaheim finished. Yeah, exactly. Like, yeah, I think 100%, I bet if you could go back, I would 100% choose Anaheim over Utah.

Utah's look great too. but this Jackson LeCole, man. Like the American D in this playoffs right now are absolutely incredible. Him, Hudson, Faber. Like, it's a real fucking joke how good they are. But I just love Quinn Hughes. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I was thinking more younger, younger guys. But this, it's, I mean, with the only thing you can be looking forward to is like, like Biz said,

if there's any team that can do this and come back and make this a series and get to a game seven. And if you get to a game seven with Connor McDavid, it's a coin flip, right? And it's one of those things where you'll take in Connor McDavid's team anytime in a game seven. So I don't think it's complete, complete panic time yet in oil country, but it's pretty damn close. It's far from over. I'll say that. Can we talk?

If they lose at home biz, if they lose at game five at home, I don't even want to think about what's going to go down. I would hope there wouldn't be complete panic with the front office because you got two more years of Connor. and hey, listen, listen. Well, that's if he doesn't ask out to Detroit. Yeah, that would mean that he doesn't ask out for Detroit. Yes, correct, sir. Correct. Correct.

Now, you think if they lose this first round series, he's going to be like, all right, let's saddle up and get ready for next year here, oil nation. Really? He signed it to your extension. Just going back here quickly, though, we talk about these veterans for the Anaheim ducks, and I'm going to throw Coulorne, Troy, Terry,

Crider. How about that Grandland signing? How good is that? That guy's a fucking dog in the playoffs. And then Carlson and the first four games of the series combined, 22 points for those veterans. Wow. Those guys, Grandlin, this guy is unstoppable.

I, but the coverage on that goal, it's just, well, buddy, let's be real here. The defense has been a fucking issue since, because Christ was a cowboy. Like this isn't just like a, oh, that this. I don't know, man. But I think you sometimes forget that they went to the cup final back to back years. Like, I don't, this season, I can give you that.

The defense has been a joke all year. Like, you're acting like Christ was a cowboy. Like, you don't think they played solid defensive hockey the past two years against Dallas and then against vet? Like, what do we talk about? They didn't win. They lost to a better team. Can you not say they played good defensive hockey the past two playoff runs? Okay, I'll just, I'm just going to read a stat for you, okay?

Oilers most goals against the first four games of a postseason. 20 goals allowed in 2026, which is right now this year. Yeah, horrible. 20 goals in 1982 in the first four games. 19 goals allowed in 2025. So in back-to-back post seasons, they've allowed 20 and 19 goals in their first four games of the playoffs. And one of them, they went to the cup finals. One of those, they won the round and then won two more rounds.

I know, but if we're talking about, if we're talking about defensive hockey, I'm saying is like, sure, I guess there's been signs of some okay defensive hockey, but I wouldn't say that that's what they're built on. No, I agree, but I think that their defense the past few years has been much aligned when you look at like there was games that they were team defensively incredible. Now, this year, this is a joke. There are guys running around. They give up, buddy, they gave up a.

a four on two last night. I think it was late in the third with Bush pinching and Nugent Hopkins is skating backwards. Like he has rollerblades on facing a four on two in the third period. Yeah, it's, it's, buddy, it's not a sound hockey team.

Just some words of advice though. Be careful what you say about your own team because like you could drive guys out of town. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Don't be too critical. I think that our city in Edmonton is so much more like loyal and hardcore than Toronto and what

you've dealt with being accused of. Oh yeah, is that why spec blocked you? Hey, do you include everyone? Speck? Speck is sensitive. If spec doesn't unblock me before game five, we could be done. But before we end this, it's not over, guys. And if they win at home game five,

they got to steal one on the pond, and then game seven is anyone's ballgame. Now, right now, the odds are against us. Our backs are against the wall. And I wish we had two days off in between one of these games. Oh, now he wants the two days off. He's in the chat. Yeah.

Asking, why do these teams got two days off between games? He wants a fucking, he was a call timeout. He wants to call time out. He has it twice. He wants a call time out. A Olympic break. No, I want an extra day of treatment for me. Jesus. Zach Morris over here. Time out, time out, time out. Um, speaking of fourth lines, where is your guys? Oh, non-existent. no speed, no physicality.

They're getting eight-year deals, though. So you're calling out Frederick? Yeah, I mean. No, I'm just saying it's like, I don't know. Oh, no, what do you mean? No, I mean, calling out Frederick. I get it. Yeah, eight-year deal really hasn't been the player that I saw in Boston a lot of years

and has come over. I know he had a tough injury. He's kind of battled through that at this point. I think he's healthy. And it just seems like a little kind of a step behind. The entire team is kind of a step behind. I mean, Leo Carlson's flying down the fucking ice. He looks like he's six, seven.

He's setting guys up left and right. He's back checking. He's back. They got Carlson. How old T? He's amazing. I can't keep sitting here and talking about it. They got the call.

They got the call. They went to the docks. It was probably right. The puck was probably in. I still will never get and I'll never back down. I don't know how they called it a goal, but they called it a goal. And I guess it's correct that they did that because it was in according to everyone. So congrats to you.

Ducks. Hey, Ducks, you guys won the series, right? This thing's over if you talk to Ducks fans. No, no, no. Talk to Ducks fans. It's over. It's Connor McDavid, man. No, Ducks fans, don't, it's all, it's literally over. Like, they're like, oh, what do you mean? There's another game. No, we won. So, whatever. We, I think, I think we gave everybody the, the appropriate double rister on the Anaheim side because what they've done, don't, don't, I was just, I was just

going to, that toe save on McDavid. And I agree with you with, that extra pep of speed gets that over the goal line. Like he beats his toe to the post. But R.A. R.A. was the only guy who picked the Anaheim ducks in this series. Hey, let me tell you something. R.A. also picked the Kings. So R.A.'s a big fan of like when he makes a call, right, which is great call.

He has been on the ducks for a while. And congrats to R.A. And he's coming on. But R.A. will pump out the call he made right. And he really stick down the Kings and seven. pick and not mention like because with baited breath you know you think you'd be like yeah i get the ducks i also the king so you know i'm kind of 50 percent but he's just like no no ducks ducks ducks ducks well you have the kings beating the ass yeah kings in seven should negate his his his ducks pick for sure yeah little california and then there's me and then there's me i mean i had the ducks

in five i mean the the oilers in five i had the the sends in seven this has been i think two years ago, I went eight for eight in the first round. I am basically, it's opposite day in my life. Everything I say is incorrect. Dare I say you've turned into me? I'm approaching you as

as a, as a title way. Wow. Hey, you got more teams than me now. You're going to fucking public appearances in Buffalo. You're part of the Blade gang. I'm going, I'm going, I mean, I'm going to Buffalo as a sign of like,

Hey, guys, I fucked up, and I'm somebody that can own this. I'm somebody that can walk into the belly of the beast. Hand up. Hand up. I got this one wrong, okay? And I'm putting my seat and my row on Twitter to let people know. You want to come in and let me have it, rub my face in it, tell me how stupid I am. This is where I'm sitting. If Blade Gang will have me, I'd love to.

Apparently, it's going to be like a monsoon with hurricane winds in Buffalo. My rollerblading in wind and rain, that is a recipe for a disaster. disaster. But in terms of having a million teams like you, no, I would not say that's true. But I do, I'm happy for Buffalo fans. I think, let's move on.

I think that's a wrap on that series so far to the Anaheim Ducks fans. But it's not a wrap. Can't count out McDavid. Ducks fans. Yeah. Okay. Guys, Montreal and Tampa Bay. this has been an all-time series so far.

You get three games in overtime. You get the game four on Sunday, which was basically an overtime game. Brandon Hagel is a maniac, a complete lunatic, but I want to go back to game three because Martins-Saint-Louis, with a master class in coaching,

everyone said Docs gone. Doc's out of the lineup. Get them out. Horrible icing. gets burnt by Mo Ser. You said, no, okay, whatever. Yeah, you're a genius. He keeps him in.

And what happened, Biz? You texted the group. This is scenes. This is feelings. The Bell Center chanting his name. Take us through that whole entire night game three. Well, I just thought, I had a feeling. I texted the group chat.

I think Doc gets one. So credit to Martin St. Louis for giving him another opportunity. I didn't know what the odds were going into that one. It actually wasn't as good as I thought for Doc to get a goal. But buddy, whole game was the fourth line. Like they played probably the least amount of any line. They ended up plus three and they had six points total.

And then it's in that first period. Doc makes that beautiful play inside the blue. And it was it was it was Bull Duke who ends up picking that pass out of midair. What a play. Did you see that? He's been great. Oh, dude, that line in him and Texier, they've been fucking unreal. And then and then after he bats it down, a beautiful pass over to Texier and he makes

no fucking mistake bar down. And then to see after that the crowd channing Doc's name, because obviously everybody's well aware of what happened. Like he had that horrible icing, the turnover, a lot of Habs fans in his DMs. And this is how you get to these modern day athletes, man. You go after their social media. So he deactivates it.

His girlfriend deactivator social media. He gets refocused. He gets put in. And then what do you know he ends up getting that fucking second goal to just pucks on net? And even before that, he had that beautiful opportunity where he got set up in the swat. And then he shot it. And I think he hit Bazilevsky, like right in like the throat area.

And then boom, gets the rebound and they keep going. And a, Arbor Jackie, man, he's been fucking unreal this series. And he was, he was in and out of the line. He was, he was bad earlier in the year. So to see him turn it around is awesome. Unbelievable. And he's the one who pinches down and keeps that play alive. So Doc can get it on the half wall.

he throws a kind of like a knuckler towards the net and it's deflecting off one of the Tampa Bay lightning defensemen. So that tied it up. And then of course you guys saw what ends up happening in overtime. And I mean, this series like between the fights, the hits, the KOs and like, I mean, the one other thing and we're going to have to get into it for game four. And it's kind of like a not as bad obviously of controversy in the Anaheim Edmonton

series is the high stick and the embellishment. The embellishment and the stick play has been. It's been the highest topic of focus for me that is like the, you know, every year you kind of have one thing that stands out that's like, oh, like this is happening over and over. Like one year I remember it was like goals off of faceoffs. It felt like half the goals were being scored right off of draws within five seconds. Well, right now, especially in that Tampa, Montreal series,

if you go back to the game before, you saw Anderson and Demadov with these like, unnecessary, like high sticking. Their sticks are going everywhere, buddy. And it goes back to the beginning with Gensel. It's been all, it's weird. Some of these series, this playoffs, it's been like these guys are losing their brains. And we talk about the league getting younger and younger and younger.

I just feel like sometimes some of these young guys, obviously Gensel, there's a big surprise there as a veteran, like guy back on his back pressure. Like the fact that he swung a stick like that was Banana Lans. But I get it from some of maybe these younger guys. who have an experience. And you saw Martin St. Louis,

they panel on the bench. He's like, my fucking God, boys, the Montreal Canadians shouldn't be taking more than three penalties a game against the Tampa Bay Lightning.

That's it. That should be your number. If you're taking more than that, you're fucking being irresponsible and you're doing it wrong. And once again, on the back check there, listen,

Montreal fans, sure, you have a gripe. He did swing his head back a little bit. And late, and he did it like three seconds after he got it. But here's the thing, though, is he got him and you don't know if the ref saw it.

So he did get hit in the face. You want to make sure that you're getting the call, man. So you don't mind the embellishment. Buddy, here's the thing. So I had somebody reach out to me yesterday basically being like a little bit frustrated about it. And I personally feel there might have been a little bit of Canadian bias towards it. So I said, oh, okay. So if you think that's embellishment, then you think the Crosby one's embellishment, right?

And they're like, oh, I would never accuse Crosby of embellishment. It's like, well, then fuck you. Like, I'm not, then your, your opinion means nothing to me because you can't be honest about it. If you're telling me that that should have been embellishment, I'll agree with you, but you can't sit here and look in my eyes and say that you didn't think Crosby when he got nicked in the face was also part of the end. I think, I think I did say that at the time. And my thing on this one was if, if your head snaps back the moment you get the high stick.

I never blame them. I never get it because that is a natural reaction. If you get high stuck and then take two, three strides and then throw it back, I don't know how you don't call embellishment. I don't get it. And that's fair. And another thing, too, he got hit like that. And when he, when he snapped his head, he kind of went like this, like to like,

it wasn't like a like that. It was if you watch the replay, if you go back and watch it, he gets stuck in the face and he did get hit. And then after that, there's a slight second delay. and then he kind of turns his head this way to like grab it as if though like he's cut or it's hurt. Okay. I get why he's doing it. You're trying to get the call.

You're battling for position and then a guy just stuck in the face. And then you and then the way that the, the, is it James? That kid is nasty. Dominic James. This kid is unbelievable. Another Tampa Bay Lightning out of nowhere guy. Yeah. A college guy.

So he, the way that he's facing, the ref is in the corner. So he's trying to basically make sure. that this ref is going to call it. And there's no hand up initially. So that's why I think he grabs his face after to be like, fuck, dude, I'm right in front of you. I just got stuck in the face. Where's your hand?

So I'm okay with that being four on four. But I'm not okay with Montreal Canadiens fans bitching about officiating. When you had a two nothing lead, you allow them to all of a sudden get all this momentum at the end of the second period by allowing Jake Gensel to get free alone in the slot for a backdoor tap. then you give up another grade A in the last minute, even before the period end. So you should be lucky that you're not even going in there tied to two, two.

And then what do you do when you come out for the third period? There's no reason to high stick James on the back check there. Your sticks out of position and you high stuck them. And then on top of that, what does Evans do? He gives fucking Kuturov. That was bad. That was just. And then Montreal Canadiens fans are bitching that they said Kutcherob,

Dole. And what Martin St. Louis, I like his wording in the postgame press conference, he goes, they're very good at drawing penalties. Listen, if Cooch felt that, and he fucking kind of went down, hey, man, all the credit to him to get the call. Buddy, I don't even think he

dove on that. That was just a dangerous play. That was dirty as shit. And Keith, as the Canadians guy, this is coming from a person who had a full-blown mental breakdown the other night. Last night, Canadians fans, for you to sit They were going crazy that that wasn't called a dive and that it was a dive.

It was like, Evans, Evans had one of the best shifts of the playoffs, that shift. He'd been making plays. He had the sticklift on the back check. He's going for a change. There is no reason whatsoever to give Kuturov that cross check. And when you're going that fast and that close to the boards, that's a dangerous point. I thought he might get kicked out of the game. And so did Koop.

Kup was going bananas when they only called it to. So Canadians fans, Keith, I don't get that. Yeah, zero. You cannot argue that for one second. Not only is that a penalty, that's a dangerous play. There's no reason to do it. You're in good enough position to just skate with them if you need to or get back.

I did not like that play at all. But it's also too, like, remember, it was either last year or two years ago when the cross-checked from behind were the big topic of conversation. And you'd see guys, you'd take one cross-check and then the second one, you'd see guys dive to get that. because you the coaches, you're having meetings with your players like, hey, if you get a stick up close to your face, snap your head back, put your hand on your face. Like, you know what you have to do to get a penalty in the playoffs because it's, they're so important. And if you can score on them, they're obviously even more important. But the little things of even having those conversations in your locker room where it's like, hey, if the sticks are up by your face, you got to put your, you snap your head back to get that power play. Because, yeah, at the end of the day, that's one of the things that's being called the tightest.

right now is the high sticks. People like people that are complaining about him snapping his head back. It's like, buddy, you do whatever the fuck it takes to win. Yeah. Shut the fuck. Just because, oh, it should have been four on four. Buddy, you fucking, you threw that game up all over yourself. You were up to nothing at home.

You took two stupid penalties in the third period. And you gave up a last minute goal at home leading into the third. I also put a little, I put a little blame on the on the Canadians fans too. You do not start booing. Poochorov during the playoffs when he's a little bit sleepy. You let him sleep. Do not wake him up. Yeah, but that's been a time on or tradition of booing the best player on the other team when they get the pot.

Not him. Don't do it to him. Let him sleep, man. Like then if they weren't booing him, does he shoot that one from the corner at the end? He might dust it off a little bit. I don't know. I think you leave him alone. Don't boo him.

Let him sleep and try to win other ways. 12 minors for the Montreal Canadians in their two home games. amateur hour. You should not be taking more than three penalties. Four max. If it goes to overtime, sure. I guess we'll save the best for last. Brandon Hegel. Bro. He's got six. He's got six goals. Boys. Boys. That is a fucking dog right there. That is a guy.

Every day of the week, twice on Sundays, that guy's on my team. Just an animal. An animal. And he fucking, he's set the tone with that fight with Slaff. How about Slav at both their losses? He fights Hegel, boom, gets the fucking right hook right to the dome, drops. He's the one who turns

it over in the on the tying goal to Hegel. And then in this game gets lit up at Center Ice. Who ended up getting them again? Crozier. Crozier. Hey, the view I saw that hit,

it is shoulder, like directly to the face. Yeah, but he's driving through his body. There's no way with the... That's a hit, man. No, hey, it's a beautiful hockey hit, but I see a lot of people like, wow, it's shoulder directly to the face. They might not know how the rule is like worded.

Yeah, they also smoke cigarettes for breakfast and eat Joe Louise and a Diet Coke. Good for them. And they speak with a French accent. That's who thinks that was a dirty hit. Yeah. Hey, Caulfield getting on the board, though. He's got his first.

Huge. Okay. So now leading in, oh my God, for Canadians fans, though, I just, they had it. If they make that thing 3-1, they're in the driver's seat, and now you got two of the next three in Tampa. You got, you got Kooch coming alive. Who knows how Slap feels today. Slap is taken, you got knocked out by Hagel and completely Scott Stevens Paul Correed by Crozier. And credit to him for coming back into the game.

He came back into the game, and on the ESPN broadcast, he's got him on the bench. and he's going, it gives a nose, he looks over at Caulfield, he goes, is my nose straight? And Coffield's like, yeah. He was on Tampa's bench. Hey, we didn't, did we talk about the Cole Hudson goal? Are we kind of breezed over?

We breezed over that. We breezed by it. We breezed by it. That goal. This kid has been so impressive to me. And I know in the beginning before playoffs started, it's the question mark as a smaller defenseman for him. Like, can he get to that next level of that, you know,

tier one NHL defenseman? this kid is so impressive, man. Like what he does on the ice, every shift. Have you ever seen, they interviewed him after the game after he scored the overtime win? He didn't have a drop of sweat in his hair. And he's moving a thousand. Electric interview, though. At all time, I couldn't believe that interview.

It felt like he scored a goal in Beer League or something. Who was doing that interview? I sent it over to Google. Kyle Bukakis, he just 32. Yeah, yeah. I felt for him, man. He was, I think he asked him like 10 questions where I think usually that's a two or three question interview, but he was giving him absolutely nothing.

And you know what with Lane Hudson? He's a hockey player. It's hockey. It's a hockey guy. In his mind, he's like, hearing the questions, he's like, I want to go back out and work on like a bad play I made in my own zone. I want to try to deal in the net a little tighter. And then he's like, what did you say?

Oh, yeah, it was awesome. I mean, they asked him, you don't take many slap. You said it was the first slap shot of the. year you take it. He's like, well, I took, the last one was a one-timer. Like, he's just hockey brain, hockey mind. And that goal- He's like hockey autistic almost. Yeah, I'd give you that one. Yeah, hockey spectrum. That's a great call. That's a compliment too. That's a car. That's a tire pump. That's a tire pump. You're on the hockey spectrum. Now, the video, the distilled image of the game three winner in overtime, I will never understand how that puck went in. Have you seen behind him,

there's seven bodies. I don't even know it was like the C's parted. Maybe his hockey spectrum autism is like Jesus, like the C's party. He was able to do that. Who's the guy from X-Men? The guy in the wheelchair, like with his mind, he could just like part things. Like he could make things move.

Yeah. Big C's. I know who you're talking about. He was also on Star Trek. Yeah, he's the leader of them, I believe. Big C's. Oh, it's C's. That's right. That's right. Um, boys, yeah. Yeah, what a, what a fucking series. I.

And Vazis found it, Bess. Vazis found it, boys. And, uh, I, in my gut, I, I, I, I, I picked Montreal in seven. I knew this was going to be an unbelievable series, but I think that we're going to be looking back when Montreal loses the series and we're going to remember game four and how they had it. This, this is, this is like, this is like the Leafs. The Leafs were up three one.

Again, it's Florida in game four last year. year. This is the exact same situation. And then boom, they made it 3-2 and then the 3-3 goal we all know about my Marner Rand. This is exactly this fucking exact same situation. Just a high-scoring game. I feel like it slipped from their fingers. No, it ain't fucking over, Biz. It ain't over. I'm just telling you what my gut's telling me, Bob. Yeah, well, fuck your gut.

The, uh, fuck your coach. Like, what do you think the conversation in the coaches room is about what can we do to contain this fucking Hagel mutant. All right. Yeah, the motor on them, there's not much you can do. And now Hudson has a very similar type motor, but on the back end, it's just different because you're never

in on the forecheck and running guys and in front of the net and having bucks hit you in the stomach and go in and fighting people, like, it's a different type of motor. That's another thing, too. That's another thing too, is people are like, oh, like, oh, it's all cooch, it's all cooch, oh, hegel, you just stand there. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

imagine being that size and having the fucking balls to go to the blue paint the way that he does. And if it was so fucking easy, why didn't everybody else doing it? I see a little where when people say Hyman's only good because of McDavid, I think it's kind of similar. Like nobody, not everyone can do it. Yeah. And I think that right now the way that that Hegel is impacting the game and the areas that he has, I think he's above that.

He's Conn-Smith. He's Conn-Smith. He's legitimate, Conn Smyth. He's the front runner right now. I think it's incredible the impact he's made. Like, if I'm in, if I'm the Chicago Blackhawks, I'm sick to my stomach. How about the Canadians and the Sabres? Now, the Sabres are loving life.

And the Canadians, they got tons of young talent. But Chicago, yeah, that is, as I'm sitting in Chicago right now, it's like, hey, you guys see Brandon Hagel play? He's seen the six goals he has in four games. What was that trade exactly? Can we get that trade? I think they ended up with Boy Verre, the kid from BU, and the other first rounder was pretty, is pretty good too.

I can't think of it off the top of my head. Gee, check that. I thought it was last. They'll be trying to package those for Brady Kachuk in about fucking two months. Two minutes. Well, we'll get to that. We'll get to that series. Before we have on our first guess, we got to bring up the Boston Bruins.

And what was probably the most embarrassing home playoff game, I can ever remember seeing from the Boston Bruins. And gee, just in classic kind of, you know, kind of like I've been just so cold. I mean, you said this place is buzzing as I think you walked into the arena. I mean, that place was completely asleep. They were horrible. Outside was buzzing. Outside, inside the arena.

I'll be the first one to say it. I've gone to a lot of playoff games in Boston guys, a ton. That was the most quiet I've ever heard that arena. And by far, the most visiting fans I've ever. ever seen. I mean, there was let's go Buffalo chance at some point. In Boston for a playoff game, that should never ever happen. So it was

tough. And then in game three, I feel like it started when Bruins score, Arvinson gets the penalty shot. Doesn't score. It should have gone up to nothing. Yeah. A minute later, Byram scores entire life is sucked out of the arena. And then it's just for two

two games in a row, it's just trash after that. To have the road team score nine straight, goals in the other team. That is... You might as well take a shit on their... That is an indictment of a team and a franchise. Nine straight in the garden.

They were one of the best home teams. I know. That's why it's so crazy. But I guess at home, their past 10 games in the playoffs, they have not been good. I believe they're 3 and 10 in their last 13 home playoffs games dating back to 23. That's awful.

That's... That can happen. We got to go back to one of the EBR. our rules and something that we were talking about in the group chat was the fact that I kept hearing about how good of a matinee team this was. And then I think it was backed up with

chat GPT digging up what their actual record is, but mind you, this season, because once I fired that tweet out, I had a bunch of Bruins fans saying like what Bruins fans told you that. So they're 500 this whole season and now playoffs when it comes to the matinee games. They're 5-5

and 1. So- there's a Bruins fan out there that tells you they do not like an early start game. They are lying out of their teeth because that is Boston Bruins fans Super Bowl. To get a buzz on by 9.30 a.m. Go to the game. Get waffled. Cheer for your team.

Have a good time. Obviously not in those games. But when they have that early game, that's their absolute Super Bowl. I get group texts from people back home. Who's going to the matinee game? Who's going on the matinee game? Matinee game today. That is their super.

So, Biz, if anyone's saying that to you, they are completely lying out of their teeth. I agree. You're fucking idiot Bruins fans in my mentions right now because I said, oh, I thought this. But mind you, I just gave you the record this season, though. They're five, five, and one. So this year, whatever you guys told me,

as far as your EBR rule number two, always bet Bruins in the matinee game. So they had, in the regular season, they had 13 losses at home, I believe, and four of them were in day games. So I guess this year they could complain. But for a long time, the Bruins afternoon at home have been like a money bet, a money bet.

That's like going, that's like going red on roulette. Like it goes 15 times in row and all of a sudden it's eventually going to turn the other way. And I think we're on the other side of it. And boys, the penguins and who stayed alive will get to that and the Bruins who are barely alive, all year I didn't get how they were so good. I never understood it. I believe I said that they both could be lottery teams in the preseason preview. and now you're kind of seeing.

Now, granted, Pittsburgh's alive and they're going home. So let's not like Pittsburgh is in a better spot than Boston. Do we agree on that? And Pittsburgh's not in a great spot. But both teams, to me, I didn't get it. I didn't get the regular season's success. And now you're kind of seeing like, oh, maybe it was a little bit smoking mirrors. Maybe they weren't as good as their regular season said.

The Bruins, they are outmatched. They are outmatched skill-wise. I think pasta was getting booed by the fans. I don't want to blame pasta and all this. Wayman flipping out on the bench. Now, what did you guys think of that? What did you think of that? Hate it.

Absolutely hate it. Wow. Listen, here's the deal. Goleys, they're like, I don't know, they're untouchable, right? You can't call them out in the media. You can't yell at them in the locker room. You can't do anything. Like, they have this protection about them,

and then they can go out and do something like that. I always think it's such a double standard when it comes to goaltending and whether they're playing good or bad. and if they're yelling at the team, oh, they care, nobody else cares. I don't like it. It's got to be something. And if you are going to call the team out,

you do it in the locker room in front of your guys, not where 20,000 people can see it, and every a million is watching at home. So what if the guy holds more of a leadership role in the locker room, though? Normally, like normally a goalie isn't necessarily a vocal guy in the locker room. But I feel like Jeremy Swayman, it's a bit different in Boston. Like, he is a leader.

He's in the locker room. Thank you, man. It's locker room. Gee, tell me, or any of you guys, tell me the last time you remember, like a Stanley Cup winning team. And I can't think of one now of a player on that team screaming at his team in public on the ice, not in the locker. The McDavid won after the first two games in Florida a few years ago was in the locker, which just happened to be Amazon, right? I don't remember a Stanley Cup winning team where a player is screaming at his team in front of the entire world to see.

No, the coaches do it. Maurice. Maurice did it to the Panthers one year. but that's the coach. That's the coach's job to do that during a TV time. So would you guys have liked to seen more of like a Maccaboy approach? Like after the game, McAvoy was asked about it. Yeah, yeah.

We're a team here. Keep everyone from, you know, myself to everybody down the list, we got to be better. We should have been embarrassed. Now, the other side of that is if you look at Swayman's playoff numbers, I believe in the last 16 games that he's played, he has a 925 safe percentage with the Bruins.

his record in those playoff games, seven and nine. So he's got a reason to be pissed. He does have validation in what he's brought to the group. He's been the best brewing in. Hey, McDavid hasn't had a goalie in fucking 12 years. He doesn't bitch after every game or when they lose and he wins games for his team.

Yeah. Agreed. I was just, I was just bringing some numbers as to maybe why he's frustrated. Now, he's been the best player. He has every reason to be frustrated, but do it in the locker room. That's all I'm saying.

Now, and Sturm was asked about it, and Sturm said, well, I'm glad somebody showed a little bit of fire day. So he doubled down with Swamen. Because I would guess that we're in the minority, having played saying, that's bullshit yelling at his team in front of the cameras, getting off the ice, where I think most fans probably loved it.

And then the fans see Sturm back up the comment. And the fans, I would say, do you guys agree that most Bruins fans love that Swamen did that? Oh, buddy, they're jerking off. Yes, whereas having played, they're watching that on loop. That is a difference, I think, between having played and not. And that's no offense, no shot. It's just kind of how I feel.

I do think Stern is getting a bit out coached here, though. Me and R.A. were on the phone last night talking about this. Like, I think you're seeing right now, Lindy Roth, 24 years of coaching experience, Marco Stern won. I just, I don't think it's even close. Well, you see it, you see it in Philly too. And in Anaheim, Edmonton. Like, that's why they don't give out the Jack Adams Award during the playoffs.

because you're telling me fucking Rick Tocke wouldn't get it over Dan Mews. They already voted, didn't they? That's what I'm saying. That's why they do it before. Oh, oh, you were saying wait to vote? Like the playoffs don't count. Yeah, yeah.

All right, we need some opinions. Well, we got it, we got to pump some tires here on Buffalo side, boys. All we just did was fucking rag on the Bruins. We haven't even talks about Alex Tuck. Like, I mean, what the fuck, dude? This guy's had an impact on every single game. He gets the primary tying a. assist on the Tage Thompson goal, game one to revive them.

In on the four check, good body, Puck springs loose. He ends up getting the empty netter, which is the eventual game winner because Boston got a third goal. I mean, let's go down the list. If you're going to say an Alex, though, it might be Lion King. Oh, my God. We're not even done with Tuck. He got the fucking game winner in fucking game three boys.

In on the four check, reverse hit on Loli. He fucking punted him out of the lineup. on that reverse hit. And then he kept going in that shift, and then he scores the winner. What did he do last game? Fucking great read off the, Boston couldn't even make a 10-foot breakout.

Yeah, on a set breakout. On a set breakout. Tuck just fucking wheels in. He probably called through the reverse. Gets it. Fucking no look backdoor dish to Quinn, or I think it was Krebs. And then top titty,

the game's on. Let's go. Talk six points right now. The way that four games. The way that Buffalo. forechecks like their sticks it's it's josh don't it's benson it's tuck it's thompson like they four checks so well with their sticks it's incredible they are forcing boston to make these bonehead plays that they don't usually make like the one on uh i think it was josh don't's goal it's like two good good sticks

you get a turnover you get a goal like they are so good with their sticks and that's coach and that's lindy rough saying hey get your stick in first like a lot of guys especially in playoffs you like to go in you like to hit the glass, make a big boom noise. But no, use your stick, get your puck on stick on puck, and you're getting turnovers and they're capitalizing on their turnovers. It truly is like really, really good fundamental forechecking the way that they're scoring. I had a call before about Dahlene either taking a suspension or somebody taking suspension on him.

We got a little close with the door of yesterday. Yeah, we did. Everyone gets sick of Dahlene. But Bizz, we got to bring in our first guess. Because he's going to have some thoughts. This guy, very pinionated. He's pretty much a Carney himself. 100%. And before we get to him, though, we got to talk about Body Armor.

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Bring them in. Sean Avery. Show me the pointer. Show it to me. No, that's his pen. Pinky's up. Pointer up. Very similar.

Very similar. I cannot wait to hear what you have to say. I almost want to see where do you want to start. Benson's godfather. Yeah, but start with Buffalo. Benson's godfather, Sean Avery. So Buffalo, first of all, shout out to the fans. Beautiful, because.

I went to the LA Kings game yesterday. Oh, and let's just talk about an atmosphere, okay? I get to the Kings game. It's like a regular season game. There's no vibe outside the arena. There's no activities. There's nothing. All right.

These Buffalo guys, the rollerblade crew, they went into Boston, enemy territory. I mean, it's just two totally different. different world. So I haven't been watching, I've watched the series. I haven't been dissecting the games as much, because I'm just so focused on obviously one series. But the LA Kings last night, really shame on them for the performance that they put in. Copatars last NHL game. I don't know if Kempi's hurt, but that team is, and you know what, all these coaches, they pull the goalie early now. I don't know if it was 3-1 or 3-2 with five minutes left and L.A. went on the power play and DJ Smith didn't pull his goalie. You're facing elimination. You're done. Your season's over.

You've got to pull the goalie and go six on four with five minutes left in the game. I don't understand it. I do not understand it. So, yeah, I mean, obviously no one's talking about L.A. because, well, that series is over. And I think Colorado just, they did enough. You know what I mean? When they got pushed on, they raised their level of game. They didn't put too much energy. It wasn't too much of a battle.

They're in a good spot. They're in a real good spot. Very, yeah, very similar to Carolina, too, where they kind of just breezed through. Yeah, some games were a little stressful. Now both of those teams could get eight days off, all right? But I guess the series that you're talking about that you're really dissecting is Tampa, Montreal, right? And you are all in on this series.

What do you think happens in these final three games? What are you looking at as a, if you're a Canadians fan, did you completely blow it? And by blowing game four, did you blow the series? Oh, man, what a series. Yeah. What a series. I mean, all the series are great. But these guys, after every whistle, they want to kill each other.

St. Louis, I'm a huge fan of, I'm a huge fan of the Montreal Canadians as a team. I think it's interesting that they've gotten good again with minimal French players on their squad. I don't know if that is a hot take or a coincidence, but they got some dogs on that team. They got, and St. Louis is the best coach in the league, bar not. There's no question about it. That series is incredible. K. Suban's on the train. You know,

Hagel? What the fuck? It's a joke. An anomaly. Kutcherov needs to pick his game up right away. You know, Kooch has been good in spots, but we need Kooch, who's a little bit more angry, who's slashing guys getting involved a little bit more.

I think Braden Point's game is starting to pick up. I think his game. game is getting better and better as we go along in the series. But Coop, obviously, there's a structure there, and those guys are dogs. And they ordered the rings way too early in Montreal. That is the problem with all these Canadian franchises. Their fan base is starved for anything. And they win one game.

You guys all know these series are seven game series, and they have to win four. And if you don't win four, you're probably going seven. It's just the way this thing works. So that series is incredible. It's incredible. I love watching the Tampa Bay Lightning play it, and I love Montreal. Slikosky, I got to give this kid credit. I mean, he's been killed twice in this series.

Died. And he's still going. He's still going. So it's going seven. There's no question about it. Who do you got seven? Listen, how? do you, obviously the

goal tending, I think if it goes seven, you have to take Tampa and that, if you're splitting the deck on that one. And then I think, I don't know where Headman is. I don't know what's going on. It's none of my business. He's skating, I heard.

Okay. Okay. I mean, how Victor Headman, wherever he is, has to be chomping at the bit to say, I'm coming back for six or I'm coming back for seven. And if he comes back, That's a major difference maker. Those are major minutes by a Hall of Fame player.

So I take Tampa in seven. I have to. We asked, I asked, you know, the guys earlier, what do you say, if you're Marty St. Louis, it's a slow down Hagle. What do they have to do? As a guy that was a shit disturb, but you got guys off their game, what are you telling your guys to do to get this guy who is absolutely putting his team on his back out of the game?

well i think you got to pick one player and just and just do a matchup i think you have to you know i got this whole theory about we need to bring back the game of the shadow player you know the head to head yeah absolutely absolutely if a guy's causing too much problem too much separation you know the little kid in buffalo uh benson or creps crepes i don't know anybody's name i say all their names wrong. I think it's crebs. Welcome to the club. It's hard, man.

There's so many of them. There's a lot of these Euro names where it's like, who's number 49 for Dallas? It's like, Ritzkovian. That was a tough one. Ritzkovian. That sounds like a drug law,

like a weight loss drug. Yes. It does. By the way, get on that Ritzkovian. Yeah. What were we talking about? We were talking about Benson and these little

rounds. Oh, yeah, yeah. And also I think that somebody needs to really quickly look at the penalty killing in the league because Tampa's doing it now. Now their power play starting to click a little the double loopback, the double late guy. I think you need to send PK1 with the late guy because you're flat-footed at the line and the entries, I don't know what the percentage is. There's probably a stat, but offensive zone entries on the power play, it seems like, Like it's got to be 80%. Yeah, but Aves, so you're saying that you want to loop a killer with the last guy coming up. Yeah, but then, but then there's like, then there'll only be three other guys left on the ice.

And that'll be an even easier zone entry. Like that's the reason they do it. Right. Because if, if you swing a guy, so basically now it's a four on three zone entry because you have one guy swinging all the way down with that late guy. Yeah, but I don't have Connor McDavid coming 100 miles an hour or break. rating point or cooch or whoever it is. I know, but the whole purpose is to just gain zone entry. And I think that you have a better chance having four guys.

Basically, basically. It is crazy that in the past few years now, it is like they do get in set up every single time. If you have one super skilled player, you're in the zone now. And that was not the case when I came into the league. Remember there'd be times power plays couldn't even get in the zone? the right play was to rim it. Remember you used to go over the red line and rim it? Like get fucked.

That is insane. But when, because I thought Barkov's one of the best of getting it in zone and I would be the one dropping into him. And there used to be a guy that would cut off behind me as soon as I got to the blue line. Tampa, I believe, did it the most where they would have a guy waiting for that, that backpass. But the guys now are so good at either going left or right. You can make a play and get it to them.

Yeah. I don't know. I think, okay, so segue out of that, you got to shadow players. You have to shadow players. There's matchups that can be had that can, you know, if you want to shut a guy down, put another guy on him.

It is a good point, man. I talked about this earlier this year, I was with little kid hockey, and I was considering doing it, but they're eight and I didn't, and the kid had eight goals. But what if you took, what if you took Jake Evans

and literally he was, standing next to Kutrov because it's more Kutrov to than Hagel to me, but you stand him and you're like Kutrov isn't even going to touch the puck. It's going to be four on four. Yeah, I'm interested because like you just said, like now all of a sudden like Hagle, if you're off to the side, it's kind of like when Colorado, if they're in the ozone,

they put that third guy high across the blue, right? Well, all of a sudden they have so many dynamic offensive players where all of a sudden if you have a two on two down low with Natchez and McKinnon because you brought. a guy high or if you're shadowing Hegel and he's like, okay, I'm going to stand off the side and let these other two guys go to work. It makes it a little bit harder structurally, defensively, to shut them down, especially when you have dynamic offensive players like Kutrov. So you have to be careful what you wish for. And Aves, who would be your guy? Let's say it's not Evans. Is there another

guy that you would maybe sick on Hegel or maybe give one particular line that responsibility to shut him down because I feel like Suzuki's been a little bit quiet. I agree. Like that's the one, 100 points, like all fucking Montreal Canadians fans want to do is stroke this guy off and tell us how good he is all the time. Like he's the most underrated, underappreciated

guy in the league. Well, now is your time to make your presence felt. Well, yeah. Or you could say the same for let's put Nick Paul onto Caulfield or Slikosky. Slavosky's just getting dummied. And he said,

but he's been good but i need nick paul to be better okay so who am i picking on montreal um i mean honestly i i don't know they kind of have this team that's sort of layered in the same way you need your best skater and you need a guy that can handle minutes defensively um but but cooch is the guy yes you do it on cooch because cooge'll lose his mind he'll either lose his mind or it'll get him so fired up that he'll outthink you and he'll use it to his advantage. So I agree, it's a dangerous game to play. You have to pick the right matchups. But Buffalo comes to mind more because they got a couple of those smaller crafty guys that can really play. Oh, I want to come back to one thing also. I believe there were numerous times where Henrik Lunkwist in the playoffs did a drive-by

of our bench. Okay. And his brain exploded and he just half Swedish, half English, you fuckers, you know, tighten it up.

And Hank never said anything, ever, ever. But I know two occasions where he did do a drive-by and when he drove by the bench, you're like, oh shit,

oh shit. Okay. So you can ask him, Biz, but I'm always positive. By the time he had done that, keep in mind, Torts was probably the coach so he can make you go crazy in his own right.

What would you compare his resume at the time of doing that compared to where Swamen in his resume now? I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't have a comparison like that. They're the starting goalie. That's your guy. And I also mentioned, though, a Stanley Cup winning team that we've seen it done.

And that's no shot. I didn't fucking win a Stanley Cup, but the Rangers didn't either. Now, was that on Longquist? No. No, it's not at all on Lundquist. He won a year when we were playing Pittsburgh, he flipped the net off of the moorings the one year,

but didn't call anybody out, but you know he was pissed like Eves is saying, it's like, okay, the big fellow's pissed off, we got to fucking shape up. So there's other ways to go about it. Is that what you're trying to say? Well, no, I'm saying that, you know, you're okay with it?

I'm okay with it, of course. Of course. And would it have to be, are you saying you're okay with the goalie or the star, player on the team. Do you understand? Or are you okay with anyone on any team in front of the cameras and in front

of the crowd on the ice giving it to their bench? But when Martin did it, everybody got pissed, remember? Yeah, because he was he was saying, he wasn't doing any of the stuff he was saying. Buddy, right, come on. We're talking about a guy, we're talking about a guy who, I don't think he had a

fucking, I don't think he had one goal in games five, six, and seven, throughout the last 21 games of his Leaf's career in playoffs. Come on. We're talking about apples and oranges here. No, I think your goalie gets a pass. Okay. I think the goalie gets the pass.

I do. I mean, the buck stops with him, you know? Sometimes they're just too dialed in. It's not in their nature. Like Vasilevsky, I don't think I'd ever seen him do that. But holy fucking Tampa. Tampa, Montreal, what a series. It's incredible.

It's incredible. And we got to move on to another one that's over. it's almost it's tough to have a lot to say on this series it's more of what will happen in Ottawa after but I'll start with this Carolina is legit they're for real

they're they just are in your face you can't get anything accomplished and the fact is that I picked Ottawa in seven and I made a point to say that's if Allmark plays great guys Allmark 931 first game say percentage 939 gave 2, 926 game 3, 929 game 4.

If you told me that through four games, those were going to be Allmark's numbers, and that Ottawa wouldn't win one game, the offense disappeared. And when I tell you, Aves, I've never seen a 5 on 3 that is that bad. They had 4 of them. And I don't know if they got a shot through games 3 and 4. And I'm talking not like 20 seconds on the 5 on 3, like a minute 17, where they couldn't even make a pass and I don't know what happened.

Where was Stutzel? Where was Brady? All these guys, they just offensively, they dried up. I think if you told the entire league that Omerk would have those numbers, they'd say, oh, fuck, that's 2-2 through Game 4. And it was a sweep. And give credit to Carolina, man.

Niketian gets knocked out. Game 4 was a brave-heart battle scene, okay? And Ottawa was... Actually, Aves, I'll go to you, because Biz made a hell of a rant on TNT. You played on the edge. What did you think of that Ridley Greg hit? Well, I was the first to go live with it because I don't have barriers, right?

I have the pointer stick, my Instagram. So I'm in it, all right? I, that was incredible. I mean, I thought it was a body shot, closer examination, and maybe it was a chin shot. That was, that was, I'm all for it. I mean, I don't. Okay. Okay.

I'm not. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, that, that was a wild. What a fucking punch. Look at that view. Look at that still image. Just a wind up as a guy's wrapped up with somebody and a straight sucker punch. It goes back to when Bobby Clark baseball batted the Russian in the ankle, knocked him out of the 72 Summit series, and they won the next three games.

That is hockey. Now, Biz, you disagreed. You were disgusted with it. Yeah, I think that's fucking bullshit. What do you mean? I mean, I kind of even get a little bit annoyed. by all the scrums too. I wasn't a big scrum guy.

I was like, let's fucking do this. Let's just fight. What do you mean, Aves? What do you mean? Well, the scrums are the best part.

I mean, Montreal. No, no, no, the fighting's the best part. No, no,

I disagree. No, I disagree with you. Hegel punching out Slavkovsky as opposed to just seeing stinky mitts for fucking five minutes

till everybody collects their gloves and sticks and we could drop the puck again. If you want to fucking go, go. Go. You sound like, like torts. You sound like torts. What do you mean? I sound like torts.

Do you understand the mental game? It's not like I'm being a hip- Do you understand the mental game? Do you understand the mental game? The trenches. Yeah, I do. I'm also not being a hypocrite. I'm not being a hypocrite. I would have rather just fought than scrummed it up going like this the whole time. And when, listen, and whatever, I'm not saying I'm not okay with the scrums. Go scrum it up. But if you want to give a guy a couple little rabbit punches in the back of the head while everybody's linked up that yeah that's fine but but when fogals got walker in a headlock and you go like this like that that's that's a suspension to me that's fucking bullshit as entertaining and as much as like yeah i'm on on tn t saying that should be a

five gamer i'm also saying oh my god this is fucking amazing and this is entertaining because i have no skin in the game but this is bullshit and if it happened to me i would would probably, if I played against them again, if we were in the minors and maybe there weren't as many cameras around, I would probably have my butt end out and look to catch them on the jaw and hopefully the refs don't see me. Like I'm looking for massive retribution if that happens to me. To the point where I said,

I might even be at the other locker room after the game, waiting for the guy and saying, let's go fucking figure this out in the parking lot, you fucking scumbag. I never did what he did in my entire playing career. I never did that. The worst thing I ever did was I bit a guy's finger, but he tried to fish hook me.

So if somebody puts a finger in your mouth, Dave, I mean, listen, you might like that kind of thing. I don't mind it once in a while either, but not on the ice. Not on the ice. No, I agree with you. I agree with you. Here's what I'll say is that I have personally,

and Brady Kachuk, I'll tell you a quick story. I think we were playing Buffalo in the second round, game one. I don't have any points. I'm playing on a line with Shanny and it might have been me, Shanny and Yogs. I can't remember exactly,

but it was Shanny for sure. And he took me out for lunch after game one because I was ashamed of myself. That I went pointless in game one and I wasn't effective. I was ashamed of myself. Okay? My fucking world was over.

And he talked me off the ledge and said series are seven games and the momentum can change immediately you come back you have a big game two what the fuck how does brady kachukes sleep at night putting a series up on the board like that like don't you say after game one or definitely game two okay i'm going to completely dominate game three whatever i have to do and this is where it comes back to the scrums the scrums to me when i played the way I played, that was, that was beauty because every single time we had a scrum, I could get Kovalchuk even more mad. I could whisper something to him in his ear. I could fucking, I could light the lamp inside of his head continually. It's like, it's like when boxers

come together and they're dirty boxing. That's what I like to see. This is the type of game that I like to see because who's going to keep their shit together but also be able to push the envelope as far as it can possibly go after every fucking whistle and and so yeah i mean the the the gregg kid and by the way biz it was the most electric moment of television that you and anson carter have ever had arguing on t and t about that punch oh i buddy i entertainment value give me that every fucking playoff game but the act itself, you have to call it out, Aves. Like, if somebody did that to you, Abe, what would you want?

Oh, fuck off. This is the playoffs. I mean, where's your moral compass? This is ridiculous. I just told you, I never did. Aves, I know, but I never did that. Abe, you would have been in the box with that guy losing your mind, yelling across at him. If that guy did that, you would be digging up so much information on that guy's personal

life and his wife that like you'd fucking you'd hired a private investigator like Vrable's old lady. Yeah. Well, I wouldn't, is that who hired the investigator? I don't know. I'm just speculating.

That's speculation. That's your speculation. I do think that if if Walker had been knocked out and then landed on his face, it's probably a 25 game suspension. He might still get five. Yeah. Like no. Blaves,

let me hear it from you. What do you think that you should, you think no discipline? $5,000 fine for fucking. giving a guy an upper cut? I mean, the season's over. They got embarrassed. Let's talk about the little guy on Carolina and how important.

He's unbelievable. Third lines are. And if you're going to go deep. They're second line. They're the second line? Yeah, Jordan Stahl's third line. I didn't remember Jordan Stahl was the third line center. If that's how cold I am.

Stankhoven, Stankovin had been playing second line center all year. I think he put up 40 points. Not to say points or everything. I was a little concerned thinking, oh, fuck, they want to go on a deep run, moving this guy to center for the first year. What is this guy going to do come playoff time and question Tulski and that decision and not pushing all of his chips in? Holy fuck, because he and that fan base made me look fucking dumb. All of us, really, all of us. Well, he's him in the one round at the same time.

That's, that's fine. But he's also not being paid a hell of a lot of money. And Taylor Hall was supposedly on the back half of his career, the back nine. well, they had seven goals combined in that series. Second line, they didn't even need their first line. And, Dave, you remember Jason Blake, he was good, man. I think he had a couple 40-goal years and he was a rat. I think his son's better than him.

That kid is nasty, man. That's his son? Yes. Yes. And he played two years at North Dakota, and he came right out of college, ready to go. His stats have gotten better each year, and he's a rat too, and that line is humming. And the fact is that they got through with ease without much from Aho and Jarvis and Svetnikov.

And they're going to at some point pop off. So, yeah, you brought up Stan Kovanov to hop here. I don't think they have the depth to push it. There's no Florida, though. Yeah. I'll say, I am 1,000 percent a believer now in the Carolina hurricanes. And I think the narrative of that they're boring. Yeah, there's been some series in the past where it's been brutal.

Like, no interest. But they provided more entertainment than a lot of teams in the first round against the Ottawa Center. If anybody's to blame for being boring, it's the fucking scumbags of Ontario. If we're going to bring the scumbag word back up, because that's what they performed in game four. They didn't lead for one second of that series. Carolina, Carolina outchanced them on Ottawa's power play for the series. he had one power play goal. Carolina had a shorthanded goal.

Ottawa's power play finished even for the fucking series. Outside of Allmark, that was the most embarrassing playoff performance I have ever seen. Oh, Ottawa was an embarrassment and not, I'll take it a step further. Brady Kachuk, all his bullshit about being so sad that he has to watch his brother. And I thought it was funny that Matthew,

he kind of took a shot at Ottawa. said, oh, I'm not going to go watch him in Ottawa. So he went and watched him on the road. I think on our show, yeah, on our show, he goes, I ain't going to Ottawa. Yeah. I mean, that was a clear cut. That was a shot at Ottawa. I mean, his brother was the captain of the fucking team.

We're a pro-Kuchuk podcast, so we don't, we don't tend to rag on the Kchucks here. Well, let's do it because Brady, I mean, we have to address this. I think he would admit. He's got to go. Oh, you want, yeah, the question, I, so that's been brought up a lot. Is he going to be there next year? It's kind of like, wow, we're like pumping Carolina's tires.

That's the story. That's a big, big discussion this offseason. But I think, Biz, as much as we love those guys, I think even Brady would say, fuck, man, I didn't have it this round. I didn't have it. I don't know. He couldn't get anything going. And he starts off with the fight with stall.

And I respected that. I like that. All right, let's get this series going and it just fired up Carolina. I mean, it's not just Brady. All these guys, they're also pathetic. And Stutzel, is he a playoff type player? I don't know, man. He's fucking one of the fastest

players in the league, a little perimeter. He didn't get anything accomplished. But what I want to talk about too in this series is the handshake line boys. Aves, did you see Brinmore? I think that's being blown out of proportion. They'd already

shaking hands. So you think Travis Green was just, it wasn't anger, it was just, okay. But he didn't really. Okay. I reached out to our boy trip and I said, hey, I said, are they making something extra of this? I know they already shook hands after the game right by where like the coaches walk out of the door. So it obviously looked like, like Rod Brindamore was pissed because it looked like he threw Travis and, uh, Travis Green's hand away. I don't think that that, I don't think that's anything there.

I think it's being blown out of proportion. And then the fact that, like, people are saying that, like, he stubbed, like, yo, I don't know. They'd already shucking hands, though, you're saying. That's, that's, that's, that, I did a little digging on it now. Okay, nothing, Berger. You don't dig, you don't dig, but. Well, I dug because everybody was making a big deal about it, so I wanted to come on the podcast. And Trips, that's a pro move.

Trips going to try to, you know, downplay it, too, to not get the shit going for his coach. So you think that there's something there? It, I mean, I don't know. didn't do any digging, but it sure looked like there was the way that that handshake was. I agree. I mean, what do you think? Rod's not pissed off that how many players did he

lose in that series? Two? Definitely. I thought it was Valerie Yelers. No, it's Nikitian Nkishen. I get those mixed up all a time. That hit. Boys, that was one of the biggest hits. I think they're both around 230.

Clean hit. It was Kronwold. Clean hit. hit. Yeah, with Cromwell. Pick your head up. And what's amazing is our buddy, Brandon Yip, sent me a video of a Nekheishan hit in the KHL against the Shanghai Dragons, or whatever the Chin, Koon Loon Red Star.

It was bigger than that one to some little Chinese kid. That one was huge. You got to post that. That's one of the biggest. He's scorpioned him. It was the same exact hit. And Nikitian got Cleven. But, man, I think DeLoree, I think if he

gotten on the ice, he might have ripped Ridley Greg's head off. Like, I'm talking like the mountain game at cross. Well, he was on the ice. Oh, he was on the he was on the ice there, but he was tied up with Brady Kachuk closer towards the bench. Okay. This was. I like Travis. He didn't, he didn't

see that wit. He was tied up when that punch took place. And then afterward, afterward, he was like by their bench, like, yelling at them. Perfect game for Deloriate to be put in. I don't know if you saw him walking pregame. He looked like a refrigerator. I didn't know he looked

like that off the ice. When you were saying it, I was like, what the fuck? He's like 240 and he had the Vaseline on his face like you probably used to do, Aves. They should honestly, he should really think about it at a certain point. I don't know how much longer he's going to play. But you remember

the mountain on Game of Thrones? Yeah. Deloree is way scarier than that guy. Oh yeah. He looks like Brock Lesnar's kid. If he can string a sentence together and hold a frame, he should really think about acting. Because that's a face.

I mean, you just don't have that. You imagine you saw that guy in a haunted house or a dark alley. Holy fuck. He's terrifying. Or on a mountain in armor? My God. But I want to come back to Travis Green for a second. Please.

I like Travis Green. But Travis Green, you got to go, bro. Lost the room. If you can't get fucking. to Chuck and Stutzel and these guys playing, you're out. I got no use for you. Same with the guy in L.A. Smith, D.J. Smith.

I played against Smith and juniors. He played hard. He played hard. But if you can't get your troops fired up, you're fucking gone. I don't know. The reason I disagree, man, is they dealt with a lot of injuries on the back end. They still got into playoffs. Like, the no-sanderson thing was just a death blow.

and then Shabbat is pretty obviously playing through something bad and he was giving it what he could, right? I mean, they were down men and they needed everyone to be healthy. Boys, what did they finish on the power play? And like, like, listen, like the only thing I'm going to say about Brady is like I, I feel like he had one foot on the way out. Okay, so, Biz, let me ask you, is Brady on the senators next year? No, not a fucking chance.

4.8% on the power play. 4.8%. That's my. percentage in picking and making calls this playoff and I'm a failure. That biz, I agree with you though. I don't see him back there. I don't see it. And I don't see, I don't think that this should be put on Travis Green.

I think that all things considered with the power play being that percent. Like, what were the difference in goals in the series? I feel like every game was like a one goal game, right? Up until the last one. How did Ottawa have us all so fooled that going into this series? because the advanced stats which say what you want, when they got goaltending, they were good.

They were not just good. They were like top 17 in the league. And then they got the best goaltending they've had all year for four straight games. And you guys didn't believe in the canes either. You guys don't believe them. You guys think they're a joke. Tripp came on here and told you that your

takes were laughable. Wait, what do you mean? You were the same, you were with us. You just said you changed your mind. You had the king, you had the king of Ontario hat on you. jerk. You just said, you just at the beginning of this segment said, I'm a believer now and I wasn't before. I picked them to win the series, though,

Witt. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. To win the series. What do you mean here? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but hold on. You're 24 hours for you, buddy. Oh, bud, bud, I said I'm a believer in a sense. I think they can win a Stanley Cup. That's what I'm a believer in. I pick them to win the series. Oh, okay. I knew they were going to stop them. I knew Ottawa was a joke.

That's why I kept saying, Leafs are King of Ontario. And this series couldn't have been played any more perfectly for me to prove the point. As much of a laughing stock as the senators want to label them Toronto Maple Leafs, look at the season they had. The amount of rumors and bullshit off the ice

trying to torture their captain for being proud to be an American, for starting rumors about their fucking goaltender, for then dragging them through the mud because he wanted a little bit of rest. It was a fucking three ring. Spending the singer to Thailand. Don't forget. They sent one of their fans to get executed in another country halfway around the world.

Did you see the video Blutman found if he did it in 2017 too? So he's done it three times, not just twice. Kyle Ivan kicked out of Sends Nation, I believe, for life. Oh, yeah. Well, here's a take. Here's a take, guys. Okay. We got Brady Kachuk.

We got Jack Hughes. There's a couple American players that, obviously they won the Olympic gold. They came back to their team and really didn't step up the way that they needed to be counted on. Okay. Versus a Brandon Hagel or who else, who are some of the other Canadians that have come back. Sanheim.

McCar and McKinnon have been amazing, but L.A. was an H.L. team. Sanheim's been amazing. You know, you got a question, let's just really peel it back and go, what's that all about? What's that all about? Because there's some Canadians that are rolling and there's going to be some Canadians that are on teams that win Stanley Cups that are huge, huge parts of it. And that's a big, you got, you got Matthew, Brady.

Who else off that team? Jack came back. Eichol's been a little off in this series, I'd say, in Utah, Vegas. Who didn't make the playoffs? Who else didn't make the playoffs off that team? Bosh has got a point, and I was going to correct you. Jack Hughes was pretty lights out when he came back from Olympics. I think he had 45 points to close out the year.

But yes, they didn't make playoffs. I agree with you on all that. But I don't think he's a guy. But this is what I'm talking about. It's not just about the points. Like Brady didn't do enough to lead his. team. He did not do enough to lead his fucking team. So, so where does he go? Do you, do you want him on the Rangers now? Because I'm a little, I mean, obviously, I know, I believe in him as a

player, but am I going to take a big swing and say, you know what? I think this is a cornerstone piece to the future of our organization. He hasn't done a fucking thing, really, in the NHL. going to be on the Panthers. Who could have done anything for that team to get past Carolina in that series? They scored four goals. Well, you need individual efforts. Yes. You need individual efforts.

You've got to sometimes put teams on your back and carry them into tough barns. And do whatever he needs to do. Take the focus off everyone else and put it on him and be that dog. And I didn't see an ounce of that. You need to score. You need to score. You need to score. It comes down to like you can run around and you can be physical.

It's not just Brady. It's everyone. Like if you don't get points and you don't score at the end of the series and you're making the money and you're the captain, the finger's going right at you. You need to lead by example because you got the big bucks. I think we're focusing a lot on the negativity of Ottawa. Yeah, it's Carolina. Carolina is awesome, dude.

They're awesome. So let's fucking talk about it. Anderson, unbelievable. Carolina gets shit kicked by Tampa. Okay. If they get there, listen, I'm all in on Carolina, man. What a resilient group. Rod has these guys firing on all cylinders.

He's got them bought in. Everybody knows their role. They just dummied a team that you guys thought that they were going to lose to. In four games, they didn't lead for a second after all the penalties that they took and all a bullshit that they dealt with. These fucking coaches, these coaches are also brain dead. Honestly, here's how you win. You get the puck behind the other teams D.

If L.A. had a fucking hope of winning one game, they would have said at the start of the series, every time you get to the red line and Pinaran is a dog. What a horse shit. What a fucking joke. I watched him last night yesterday. He is embarrassing. They just gave him $22 million for two more years. When you get to the red line, you dump him.

puck's in and you get behind their deed you fucking hit macar every chance that you get okay so in montreal lane hudson you hammer hammer him every single time you have an opportunity you put him through the fucking boards because seven games is two weeks it's 20 days whatever it is and you need to turn it into a nightmare for defenseman so the teams that are going to win are going to do that. That's what Carolina did. That's what they did. You can't you can't break out against them Aves. You can't get out of

the zone against them. So you're saying they're doing exactly what you need to do and then you know the Ottawa D and there's a lot of other teams D that you can't do it but look at Florida and I guess in your opinion what Tampa would do is they would just pound them and that's the only way you're going to beat them is beat

the fuck out of them. And Ottawa tried and they couldn't do it. Yeah. Well they didn't try the right way. They didn't get the puck behind their D enough. And whoever's going to play Colorado, I watched, Colorado's got some, man, they're very good, but you can wear on

McCar. You can make it painful on him. You got to, who else is their D? Melinsky. They got Brent Burr's. They got Manson who's who suffered injury. Devon Taves. Devon Taves. They have an unreal DECOR. And quickly, before we get there,

sorry though, but in terms of the Calana's defense, because we just brought up, Neketian getting knocked. out. I got to give some credit to the former ranger, Keandre Miller, man. That was, you know when you say, we've said Hall fits in perfect as a

Carolina hurricane, and Taylor Hall said it himself. Miller's the same way. Like, I think he's similar to Slavin, not as good, but just makes the right play he could skate. All their D can skate. That's Sean Walker moves like, he's like the wind out there. So they have all these mobile guys, right, that have

great sticks. None of them are super offensive besides Ghost. And then he's, on the third pair, and it's just built the correct way. And if Anderson plays like this, Biz, that is the one thing. If Anderson keeps up like this, yeah, they can win the cup. Now, Anderson at times, I think, has shown

weak goals go in. I look at... You know what, though? They got, but they got Bussie. They got a two goalie system, buddy. They got Busty to back them up. Does them not, I mean, they scored 11 goals in this series, 9, 5 on they had two empty net goals, so 9, not

with an empty net. Does that scare you? scoring nine goals in a series against a team that we clearly just saw they outclassed them. Yeah, but I mean, it goes back. It goes, but other teams are going to score. Other teams are going to score. Yeah. Buddy, okay, our other goal is going to play as well as Allmark. True.

That's it. There's your answer. Well, yeah, goal tendings going to get better, Biz. Uh, what was, what was Allmark's safe percentage? Uh, average at 9.30. Now, I don't know if you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you might get that. Well, clearly it wasn't good enough.

I mean, he didn't pitch a shutout. He didn't pitch two. I mean, you got a fucking win. But right, but the conversation that Yan's brought up is, are they going to be able to outscore teams moving forward? And I said, well, they generated a ton. They got their great A's. Elmark was shooting fucking Roman candles out of his assholes,

keeping them in the game. And, and, yeah, I think that they're going to be able to score. I think that they're going to drum who they play next. I was just going to ask you. I think they're going to drum who they play next. Oh, okay. So Philly Pittsburgh looks like Philly's going to win that series. You think they just drum Philly.

I would say it goes. How do you? No, I don't know. No, what Philly's doing? What Philly's doing right now? I think Philly wins. I think Philly wins that series in seven. Biz, is right now your pick to come out of the east of the Carolina Hurricanes?

Or you're not prepared to say. I think Buffalo would work them if they made it to the east of finals. I think Buffalo would scare me. Buffalo would scare me. Okay. But I'll say this, for anybody like knocking Carolina and the people who are picking against them in the first round and like the fact that, oh, they're boring, I just, I'm way more all in right now on the Carolina hurricanes than I ever have been in the past. I think the fact that they did what they did to Ottawa and their first line wasn't even a factor in an offensive scoring sense. Like Jarvis was quiet.

I think Ajo was pretty quiet up until the empty netters, at least as far as point production, what I, am proud at is Svetnikov, the response after the Cleven hit, and the amount of dog in him that has been gained over the last few years. Like I think Svetch, I think there's going to be a massive, massive moment for Svetch this playoff. I think he's going to come out of his shell and you're going to say, holy fucking shit, that's the power forward and the guy they've been missing this entire time. And there's been a big evolution in his game.

I would be willing to say the Carolina hurricanes are going to stay on the cup final. Okay. All right. All right. So that said. And I think that should lead us over into the discussion of Philly Pittsburgh. I don't think anyone, I mean, I guess going into game four, a lot of people did think they'd pull the sweep off there at home. The crowd's incredible. I had to think Crosby wasn't going down like that, right?

He gets the nice goal, nice little dish there. I think it was, did Carlson give that little pass for him? Yeah. Or one-timer. Pittsburgh stays alive. Now they're going home. Okay, now Philly, it's the hardest game to win. Aves, you know that, to close it out.

Now they're in Pittsburgh where they walked all over them in Pittsburgh. It wasn't even close. Game two was an embarrassment. What ends up happening in game five? Does Pittsburgh continue this? They got the momentum now. Crosby's showing up. Or is it finally the time that Philly moves on?

I don't know what to think going into this game five, boys. So Philly doesn't have what it takes to win the Eastern Conference, but they're proving to themselves as a team that they can win. And they're understanding what the level needs to be at to win big games. And by the way, let's bring it back to Sid. Sid dominated that game. Let's say he put the team on his shoulders and he won that game. That's what you're supposed to do when you're the fucking star of the team.

You have to do that at least twice in a series to win. that is the difference that's how you win the stanley cup so when i talk about guys like haggle or somebody told me that uh um vasselowski's got vzna numbers from the regular season he'll probably want so you guys are all fucking you're all yip yapping about carolina you got a vezna winning winning goaltender playing lights out right now with headman possibly coming back and you're talking about carolina winning the East. Get fucked. What are you analyzing?

Well, well, Dave, like they would still have to get past. You're talking about Allmark? They would, they would still have to get past

Buffalo. So like, and Montreal. That's a tough, that's a tough, I agree. So like, so that won't,

that wouldn't be their matchup until they get past. But Pittsburgh was a lame duck. So it's tough to say Philly's got what it takes. They're winning the series, no question. Can you ride some of these young guys?

that get hot. We've all seen it. You know, something happens when these kids come in and they just don't have the pressure and they're playing free. No fear. No fear. No fear. And that's dangerous. That is dangerous.

So that could push them a little bit. And Kinecki could say, you know what? I want to become a fucking superstar right now. This is the playoffs where I become a superstar in the entire league. And you don't know what happens when a guy makes that decision. Unlike fucking Stutzel and Brady Kachuk who just, I mean, Brady needs to go have a long, long chat with himself. I'm telling you. And if the Rangers want to go and make that stupid move to get Brady Kachuk, no, thank you.

I don't know what we were talking about. No, we were talking Philly. And listen, I think Flyers fans have been disgusted. And I'll give them credit in terms of like they're up 3-0 and the main conversation is like, should Mischkov be in the lineup? Well, there was a reason it was being brought up because he's out of the lineup, okay? Kind of, I understand not doing it before game four.

You haven't lost the game. How can you switch the lineup? I get it now. Philly fans are a little disgusted, but they're trying to balance how happy they are with being up 3-1, and they're disgusted that Michikov isn't going to be playing. I get that this is not the biggest storyline.

The storyline is Owen Tippett and Porter Martone and how Ziegress, who, with a great... With a great regular season, you're maybe like, oh, what's he going to do in the playoffs, different style hockey? He's been excellent. He's been excellent. So the Flyers, they just have so much good juju around their team and good momentum that I think talk. It's like, boys, we weren't going to win this thing in four. This was never going to be a sweep.

And there's like, seems to be zero panic with that room. Why would there be? And going into game five, I don't know what's going to happen, but if Philly closes this thing out, it's no surprise. No surprise whatsoever. It's also learning lessons too, right? With the young team like that, how to close out series, they're hopefully,

you know, with the way that they've looked the last half of the year that they're going to be playoff contenders every single year, especially under talk. Like, they've been great.

But it's learning and trying to close out Sidney Crosby, one of the best players to ever fucking lace up the boots. So it's, I think for them, this game is huge, what you'll see from them.

I don't disagree with the Mietchko thing. I think, having Martone there kind of probably takes a little heat off of them with the fans because I feel like they could probably switch on them as much as they do love them

now that they have Martone you can just kind of ride his coattails but this team's been fun to watch man and you gotta give a lot of credit to Sanheim and Ristolining and what they've been able to do to the big dogs like back there they can skate

they can defend and and Biz's boy Vladard holding down the fort did you see Biz the slash Ristelining gave Crosby and he's laying on the ice? Yeah.

I mean, that's just like, oh, it's Philly scumbags. You, you said the word scumbag in our group text the other day.

I've said it for seven years. Seven years. And I'm like, I ended up saying it on TV so people think it's just me who said it where I'm like, we're pretty much all in agreement

that these, that organization is full of scumbags in a complimentary way. Like people also forget, like we played for the penguins, right? I played in the H.L against the phantoms

at that old barn next door. What was it called again? The spectrum. The spectrum. I played that. I had fucking guys running me through the N-wall. I had, I think the guy's last name was Grant. Fucking three, M-CL sprain, fucking dirty knee to me.

Like I wanted to kill. All those meatheads. Oh, no, no. There's no question. Let's say the city of Philadelphia and the Philadelphia and the Philadelphia Flyers fan base are the greasiest, fucking rude, obnoxious ass.

holes in the entire NHL And that says a lot coming from you, Abe's. They are the first. I played there a lot. I had they threw, they throw quarters at you and try and take your eye out when you're walking down into the tunnel. We used to get change thrown at us at the spectrum.

Yeah. They're the fucking worst. But that's what makes them great. And again, Zegris. Let's talk about Zegris. Here's a guy. Here's a fucking guy that says,

I want to be a dog. we're watching a guy unravel, unpeel himself. Whatever a caterpillar does when he turns into a fucking butterfly, Zegris is doing it in front of us. Everyone else, again, Brady Kachuk, get fucked. Trevor Zegris, talk about a guy breaking out and showing you what it's all about. And I'm not going to question talk because we're not in the room. So if Mietchkoff needs a wake up or he can't play right now because he's just not at the level,

then that's talk's decision he's not a guy you'd rather have zegress than brady kachuk oh in a fucking million years based off of four three four playoff games and the second half of the kid's season absolutely stop oh oh are you joking no i'm gonna go take a hose yans and aves can go out it i'm gonna go take this is getting uncomfortable for me i'd rather brady of course oh no guys No, no, no. I mean, shout out to Zegris. He's been playing great. He's been unreal into talk.

Sometimes a guy needs a different, a different coach, a different setting, and it's been great for him. He's been amazing. But to say that is a wild statement. Do you see, well, let's see. Do you see Zegris's body like his, his vibes right now? Well, they're playing with confidence. They're winning.

Ottawa couldn't even get a fucking shot on that. Well, that's, that's the problem. That is the problem. It's not because they were physically. dominated. We have physical parity in the NHL. You can go out there and be a one-man show and take over

games. And Zegreus is dominating right now. Would we say that he's not one of the best players in playoffs? He's been awesome. Now, I don't think Pittsburgh is Carolina. So it's like if he was doing this against Carolina, just a

just a team who smothers you to death, I'd be like, holy shit. There's a lot open ice and the way the penguins are playing, I could see him having way more of an impact than in a tight checking just Carolina hurricane in your face type series. Imagine Philly Tampa. What a fucking series that would be. That's a fun series.

That would be a fun one. That would be sick. I mean, I respect. Hey, Sheelov comes in. He looked good. That can switch up some momentum. Getting the new goalie in for Pittsburgh. I want to see.

I want to see. I want to see Pittsburgh. Hey, hey, boys, if Pittsburgh can get it done at home. Yeah. I thought, all of a sudden,

it's a little panic. LaTang's been off. He scored a big goal, but he's not been. I thought he retired years ago. I swear to God, I was watching the game. I was embarrassed to myself thinking,

Jesus Christ, Sean. I go, that's fucking LaTang. He's still playing? Yeah. Did he play all season? He took a lead,

uh, he had something going on a couple years ago, right, with, didn't he have something crazy? Yeah, he's had something, he had an issue with his heart at one point. Yes, yes, yes. Penguins fans have been on LaTang's case this round. Did he score that big

goal? On a beautiful beautiful kick, beautiful kick passed by Crosby. That was kind of sick. All right, Aves, we have Eric Johnson coming on too. This has been great. I got Roeback last question for you. Go to roeback.com. Use code chicklets CHIC-L-E-T-S on R-H-B-A-C-K-com.

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they're just like, jeanée qua. They have no fucking jeanée qua. You know what I? I, I, I, that's a, they're just like, order the rings. No, P.K. Shut up. All of you shut up. You got to win the series.

Hey, Hayves. Hey,ives, go touch some grass. You seem a little angry today. Well, no, I, I just want you to, oh, you're in the mammoth. Oh, wow. What is this? Oh, that's the thing. That's the banana hammock.

Yeah, thanks. Holy shit. Thanks. You want, go, go check what they've outscored the Vegas gold nights since I throw this thing on. Aves, final question. Who's winning the cup? Carolina.

That's the rowback. Carolina. Oh, shit. I can't. Too much parity. No answer. No answer. What about a finals?

Can't get the finals. Too much parity. Too much parity. His headman coming back is the question. Hang on. If you want to, don't avoid it. If he's coming back, look out.

Look out. And Brandon Hangel. My guy from day one. Let's go. John Avery, everyone. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. We'll talk to you soon.

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Aves style. What's going on, buddy? Whit, boys, thanks for having me on. What's going on? Not much. And let's start off. Congratulations, buddy. It's not easy what you're doing.

You've kind of just been very natural at it. You look great. I sent you the guest at home. one of my buddies said, wow, EJ's a stallion. I said, let's not go that far, but you do look good in the suits. Have you been enjoying it as much as it seems? Biz, what are you wearing? My mammoth, my mammoth costume.

Nice. It's been good. I think going into it, as you guys know, when you retire, it's kind of there's a lot of uncertainty. And, you know, I knew I wanted to stay involved in the game. And I had to talk with Danny Breyer about maybe doing some stuff with the flyers, but the TV thing popped up, and I just thought, like, you stay close to the game.

You know, I knew I want to stay involved in the NHL. And for me, the biggest thing was, is it going to be hard being between the benches, being that close to the game so quickly out of retirement? Like, am I going to miss it? Is it going to be hard to be out there? But it's actually been the opposite, guys. Like, I think it's been such a great transition to stay that close to the game.

And I don't think maybe that would be the case for everybody. But for me, it's been unbelievable. I've really loved it. Love to travel, love hockey, love the people I've been working with. And just it's been a really a blessing to be able to stay involved in the game like this. It's been a ton of fun. Do you almost feel like it's easier because your hockey knowledge from just like getting out of playing is like, you know, your, your brain's essentially firing at all cylinders. So to be able to like talk about it and break it down for the people at home, the transition has been nice where you just didn't take this like layover.

Yeah, like I think the thing for me, Biz was. I wanted to enjoy life a little bit too, first year of retirement. So I wasn't super busy the first half of the year. My schedule was kind of packed towards the second half, which has been awesome. Like I got to do a bunch of shit I could never do as a player at that time of year in the fall, in the winter and earlier in the spring. So that was great to be able to enjoy life a little bit too. And then just going right from the ice to the microphone has been way easier than I thought.

Like you said, it's, it's easy because I know all the players right now. I think it'll probably get harder as it goes because you don't have those relationships. You're not sure. No, it actually gets easier to start carving guys, the more and more. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We didn't carve anyone. Now we got Avery on picking Tegris over Brady.

Yeah, exactly. But no, like, that's, it's, you have to critique your buddies, right? That's, that can be difficult, right? So that's the hard part. You mentioned, like, doing things you weren't ever able to do when you were a player. some people like obviously skiing is something you can't do. For you, you're posting a lot about your love for wine and then also horses.

And we've talked about that before. What sort of things were you doing in the first half that you weren't able to do while playing? Yeah. So I like bird hunting. I went on a quail hunt in Georgia. My buddy's got a plantation. I don't even know what a fucking quail is. It's a little bird.

From a movie. That's wedding crashers. Oh, shit, sorry. Yeah, he's got a big. big base down there. So we hunted on horseback for quail with his dogs. It was fantastic. And then I got to play Augusta for the first time. Oh, how the fuck? Did you pull that off? So unfortunately, unfortunately, we're not getting to Utah, Vegas and Minnesota, Dallas,

because we're going hole by hole. I'm sorry. How is this drinking through the thing right now? How did you pull that off? So there's a there's a buddy of mine who's a member out there. and he said for your retirement, I'm going to take you down to Augusta. So we flew down there, three Denver guys. And Dustin Lynch, country singer came with. So we had a good time down there.

And it's everything that's cracked up to be the food. Like it's so proper, you got to show up in a coat and tie. And you can't go anywhere with your cell phone. It's crazy, but it's spectacular place. And didn't embarrass myself too bad. I did skull one out of the bunker on the first hole into the grandstand, though. So not ideal. But it was fun.

Whit would have retired after year four if somebody promised him that. But speaking of, like, you know. What did you shoot quickly? The first day I shot 85, the second day I shot seven. First day. You got to play it twice? I think you usually go down and you get to play, stay over and play again. I think that's kind of the standard.

They got cottages on property. Was that a 79 the second round? 79 the second. Wow. That's awesome. Wipped out for you. Eagle on 15 still pissed that one down my leg

but wow man yeah it was a great time just uh it's as special as you as you would think so I was pretty lucky to be able to go man that's awesome you deserve that good for you um all right back to the hockey quick let's start here uh what series have you done so far what have you done a game for which series

I did games one and two Dallas Minnesota and then I did game two Colorado L.A and then I'll do some second round games and I don't have anything past that but um yeah it's been fun that i mean that dallas minnesota series has been we should start there okay let's go there and biz i'm going to make a statement i'm going to make a statement and any of you guys you can disagree game four for the minnesota wild was the biggest game in franchise history yes absolutely by a mile by a mile and were they going to go down three one and minnesota wild fans jay before the game we're going to

lose this game this is what we do minnesota sports and felino over the top of Ottinger buries it. And Matt Bull, the EJ, we have an American, full-blown superstar. And he's one of those guys that you could always kind of see it playing against him. It was just, when is he going to break out? Right? Like this kid is, and I interviewed him after the game, he's a big dude, man. I didn't know he was that big.

But his skill set for a guy that size, fuck, is he fun to watch? I mean, Caprisoff, if they can get one more center, like everyone's been bitching about they need a center, they need a center, they need a center. I mean, they can be a contender for a long time. That Faber Hughes pairing might be the best in the league. I mean, I probably give the edge to McCar and Taves, but pairing is fun to watch, man. I wouldn't.

And quickly, Boldie could, Boldie would give you six on the front, six on the back and still beat you on the 14th all. That's the most incredible part about him, the best golfer in the NHL. So I digress. The Augusta talk got me just like a little. I got some blood flow here. If, okay, now you're going back to Dallas, right? So you could get game four, they did it.

Now build the momentum here for the wild. Like, what do they have to do from what you saw in games one and two? Like, what is their game plan and the way that they're able to beat Dallas in Dallas for game five? Well, their power play in game one was spectacular. Dallas tightened it up a little bit. Like, they wanted to be so aggressive, you could tell, on the penalty kill. But they kind of got a little more. patient against Minnesota. They were just picking Dallas apart with their one touches, especially

fine. And this is, by the way, this is the most overused term in hockey. They found the bumper so well. I hate the bumper. Just so you know, fuck the bumper. I hate the bumper. But they use the bumper as in, as in what, the guy in the middle. In the middle. I just hate, I hate bumper. I just hate it. I think it's the most overused term in hockey. I don't know if you disagree, agree. I say middleman. I don't like bumper. That's my rant. I don't like the bumper. Okay. So I thought they used bump the bumper. the, fuck the middleman so well. He's the middleman so well in the power play. And I think this has seven written all over it.

I'm sure you guys all thought seven before the series started. We deserve seven. Hockey fans deserve seven. Colorado probably hopes it goes seven. They're licking their chops with eight days off till they have to play next. But that series for me, I hate that it's the first round, right? Doesn't it feel like a conference final almost? You know, no respect to Colorado.

But that's a shame that. done that's done that two of those team one of those teams will be out in the first round but for me Minnesota they have played with better pace than Dallas I don't think that necessarily means that they're going to win the series but they look like a faster team to me but I mean what two the two those games gone to overtime three whatever I don't know what it is but um Minnesota seems like the quicker team the fresher team but that doesn't mean anything at the end of the day right but what a what a great series that's been to watch and I just think the officials got to let them play I want to see this five on five

Put the whistles away, let these guys play. Yeah, I thought it was a pretty crazy stat in the game three where it ended up going to double overtime. Minnesota didn't generate one scoring chance from inside like the tighter house, which is where 50% of the league's goals are scored from. So I found it odd that Minnesota not being able to do a good job of getting inside, obviously a lot better at that in game four. Who's impressed you the most for Dallas? I mean, Ottinger put on an absolute clinic and net

and probably deserve to get the win in game four with how many 10 Bell saves he had in overtime. But who are the other guys for Dallas that you've been impressed with? I really like that. Essel Lindell. I think he's really underrated. I think people know in the NHL,

not the average NHL fan, but a lot of people within the league know how good this guy is. He's such a beast defensively. He's tough to play against. And I remember when we were playing against him in call, Colorado, McKinnon would just say he's a complete nightmare, miserable to play against. So a guy like that, I kind of try and give him some love. I don't think he gets a ton of love nationally. I think he's a total horse for Dallas. And that Wyatt Johnston, I love him. He's everyone knows about him, led the league in power play goals this year. But he's not the fastest guy, but he's not that old, but he's so smart, right? He just knows how to get open, finds the right, areas. He's got a heck of a shot. Everyone knows about ranting and how good he is in the playoffs.

But Johnson and Lindell are guys for me that are told, and I think Hayskinin's playing, he looks a little nicked up to me right now. He's still playing well, but I don't think he's at full health, but let's face it, no one is this time of year. I, uh, you didn't mention,

guy you didn't mention. Oh, go ahead, yes. Uh, Jason Robinson. He's got four goals and four games. Like this guy got snubbed out of the USA team and it just looks like he's on a vengeance to be you know, even playing against Billy G where it's like, hey, listen, I'm a guy

that can perform in these big type of games and he's been outstanding. Yeah, him too. He's another guy that like, he's not super strong. He's not a great skater, but like he just knows how to get it done. Great shot. Thinks the game super well. It seems like he's kind of a step ahead out there.

But yeah, I think Dallas, I mean, what was the draft that they had? Did they get Robertson? Heskin and Robertson and Ottinger. in one draft. Like, yeah, Jesus.

Changes a franchise. I mean, it's incredible. Those three guys and, um, yeah, I'm, I'm happy for Ottinger,

too. He, you know, he could have maybe gotten yanked in game one. And what a response. He's played so well. Um,

after all the shit he went through last year, right, towards the end of the playoffs. So I'm happy for him too. He's played really well. Stang. What was it? Oh,

I was just going to ask, what was it like being there alive for the black will hit on Trenton? Oh. Oh. I mean, you could feel that one, right? I mean, and Blackwell's not a big guy, like not big at all. A little bit of a sewer pass from Begoge,

and he admitted it after to the media, but Trennan's a huge guy. He had 13 hits in game one, and then he gets steamrolled in game two, and I think he's going to play in game five. At least he skated yesterday or today, but I mean, that was as bone crushing as you could, you could just feel it at, at ice level, right?

I mean, you could hear it or see it on TV, but man he trucked him. So I think back to that game, you had one of the greatest breakdowns of the puck over the glass. A lot of people didn't see it. And you pointed out the mark on the guy's stick because he had white tape that it ramped up. So I just wanted to give you your props on that. That was an amazing eye by you. I can't believe I saw it either, Jans, because I legit can't see.

Like I have the worst eyes ever. And I'm like this close to my monitor and dismiss like, what the hell are you doing, man? man, because the backup is right next to you at ice level when you're between the benches. And they can hear everything you say. So, like, sometimes I'll want some affirmation. I'll look to dismiss and he'll be like, nice, man, nice call. And then he'll be like, not right. You know, like just giving me shit.

But, yeah, it's fun, man. That was a fun one to pick up live. I really thought you were going to finish off. You know, my vision isn't great with that's why I missed the Eagle Putt on 15 at Augustine National Golf Club. But that, you know, good for you to not to not blame your eyes. on that. I watched game four with

Brian Yandel, his three boys, and I sat there and I said, I can't believe that the Nashville Predators bought out Matthew Duchet. Because you look at him and you look at what's happened with Nashville and the signings of the older guys and what's gone on there? It's like,

what the hell were they doing getting rid of him? He looks fucking awesome still. I mean, he has, I think he's got four assists already in the series. He's a, I'll give him dogs status. He competes like a bastard, and that's just part of like the Dallas. I mean, I will say I don't know if Minnesota can win this series without Zucarillo. Any word from anyone on this? Have you guys heard anything?

He's playing tomorrow. I think he was practicing the first power. Wow. That's huge for many. That's big. Fracting on the first power play. Probably game time decision, but last I saw he was playing. Yeah, that's huge for Minnesota. Wow. If he's practiced in on the power play, if he's practicing on the power play, that usually means you're in, right? Yeah, yeah.

And EJ, we had Billy G on Bizz. Was it the season preview last year or this season? I think it was two years. Yeah, when we're talking about Boldy. Yeah, and he's like, I think this guy is a possible 40-40 guy. I thought he might have said 50-50. Either way, it was like, okay. And now you're seeing it.

I didn't know, and he never mentioned with us. I saw an article that said he did grab him maybe two years ago and said, You just need a little bit more, like, F you to your game. And I think he has it. Like, on the forecheck, his stick's incredible, but he's also, like, laying it on the line, like, his body, he's taking hits, he's giving hits. And he's, I think Billy G probably meant, like,

you're so big, as you mentioned when you interviewed him, like, you can take over games physically. Because forget your skills. And how many times is this guy going to flick the puck over somebody's stick or body to himself? He's mastered that move. So shout up Billy G as a GM and then Boldie. just he has reached a new level and that's incredible for wild fans to me it seems like all those u.s olympic guys came back and have played with a level a new level that they they weren't

so much confidence you can just tell they have a swag from that and i can see it with all those guys like faber and hues seem like they're on a different level like i have a new appreciation for quinn hughes i mean i played against him for a long time but this kid is unbelievable like i'm i'm beating a dead horse there but i think like i have a way way more appreciation for how good he is. And I think playing out a better team, you're seeing that now too. But all those guys,

boldy, Hughes, Faber, they just seem like they have some type of swagger or confidence that they got from the Olympics. Because I remember coming back after 2010, and I didn't want to play the rest of the season. I was miserable after we lost in overtime in 2010. So what those guys got from that goal, it just seems like they're playing with a new type of,

you know, swag to their game that they didn't have before that. And going, I mean, we talked about Marcus Felino on that, that huge time goal to send it to overtime. Quinn Hughes on that shift, just makes everything happen. He fucking dangles the blue line. Oh, what, what happened with Faber on that one? They just, like, made an unreal, like, give and goal play.

It was just sick. Yeah. Well, I just met more so, like, the individual effort, like, beating the one guy at the top there by the blue line, and then two guys got sucked into Quinn Hughes. And then he kind of just takes that step, goes to his. back in and they get stern with speed who ends up taking the shot where Falino cleans up the rebound. I thought it was pretty sick too. He used the side of the net in order to keep it alive. He banked it off of it and the bounce

off of that ended up getting in behind Ottinger and for him to find it over the top. Like that was actually for the guy who called the Minnesota Wilde the fraud squad. Merle's X factor in the series was Marcus Felino. Now I would be interested to get Merle's on. I don't think we are. But if he had the opportunity to maybe switch his pick at this point, whether he would do it to save face to not get absolutely obliterated by wild fans if they can pull this off. I love Marcus Felino. He's so hard to play against. Like, that's a guy I'd take on my team anytime. When we would play against him in Minnesota, you just, one of those guys, you always know when he's out there because he can truck you.

Great leadership. Like, and I love what he did to a couple years ago to Oscar Sunquist when Wilson laid out Sunquist with a bad hit. And Falino told Sunquist, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to Wilson for you? Like, who does that? He's just one of those ultimate team guys. And now that he has his brother, Nick, with them, those are, that's just a terrifying fourth line. McCarron and both Felinos, like, are you kidding me? It seems as though I would, and tell me if you guys disagree, the general consensus was that Montreal, Tampa, and Dallas, Minnesota were going to be seven game series. And it just, It's just shaping up to be exactly what everyone thought.

I can't wait for that next game. Did you, to go back to one particular play, though, this series could be 3-1. It was 2-1 at the end of that game when they had that crack on the goal line when Hartman essentially saved the goal with his glove. Like that game was- And the hit before that. You see the hit before it? He killed that guy whose last name starts with an H that doesn't sound like it. Oh, H-Covian.

No, Rich Covean. It's called. guys with H's. Yeah. And fucking, I like to buy a vowel. But that play that Hartman ends up dying, he makes that hit. And then on that scrambling play, I think it was Wyatt Johnson on the other side of the net, hit it. It ends up hitting the inside post.

And then somebody else was there to clean up the rebound. And Hartman just grabbed it fucking slung it out and kept it out of the net. So that was a huge swing. The wind net, too, through the crease. Didn't he miss an open net? Was it Foxa? Yeah. I think it was him too.

Yeah. Oh, that's right. The tap in. Yeah. Yeah, that series is been electric. It's been electric. Who are you guys picking in the Kentucky Derby this weekend? You got any picks?

I saw Portnoy's got a Philly run in the Oaks. I don't know the horses yet. I'm kind of like Saturday at 2 o'clock, like checking emails for Mr. Red. For a pick. Yeah. Who do you have? Well, he drew the rail, which is like the kiss of death in the derby, the one. But I like Mike Ripoli's renegade.

He's the morning line favorite, but the rail is like the kiss of the of death so we'll see and then in the oaks friday i like percy's bar uh okay yeah so we'll see but that's the that's the best day of the year i think just yeah hockey derby have you guys been it's a it's a total blast i got to walk the horse out one year i got to walk up bino roso's unbelievable with vini viola nice that is so random and biz uh the horse that he's talking about rapolo's horse that he's the noble guy so you got to you got to put some money on yep yep No shit. Okay, I'm all in there. Yeah. I was hanging out with Mincy recently, though.

So that might be a mush on them. Oaks Day is way better horn, don't you think? It's both, they're both fun. Like, you can't go wrong. The party's Friday night, right? So I'll give you a Friday, leave Sunday after the races. It's great. You go once.

You don't need to go again. I think we can move it over to Colorado, because that was probably your favorite team to play for, won a cup there. and would you say that that's where like your that's where your heart's at? Yeah, it's funny. Like I'll look at my Twitter mentions sometimes and people are like, you should never do a Colorado game.

You're the biggest. Shut up. And then I get mentions from abs fans. You're way for the other team. You got to get for Colorado. That means you're doing a good job. Right down the middle. You can't keep these people happy, man.

Don't even get into start. I don't care. I find it funny. I love it. On national TV lighting candles. You at least. played for the team, won a Stanley Cup for the team. You can do whatever the fuck.

Buddy, I got a shlong thong on my fucking face. I'll do whatever for any fan. I don't know if you're like this. I don't care who wins. I hope it's a good game. Literally, it's like you want to talk about a good play for the one team, for the other team. I don't give a shit who wins. You just want to see good hockey.

But for the abs, I think, no surprise they swept L.A. But I thought L.A. played them hard. Like they could have maybe one or two. That could have gone either way. obviously the abs, I'll play them, but you got to give L.A. their marks.

I thought they hung in there, they're really well. And, um, I mean, if the abs don't go to the Western finals at least, like, are you looking at a coaching change there?

Personally, I don't think so, but I think people are asking that question. I think Beddard is one of the best coaches in the league. But, you know, they've won one playoff series since 2022, right? Now two since they beat L.A.

So, um, we'll see. I mean, they, they have the team to do it. I mean, that team's a freak show, right?

I mean, that, and Wedgwood's been unbelievable. Like, if you had one question about the abs, it was their goal tending for me. Wedgwood never started a playoff game, but, you know, if they have to turn to Blackwood, he couldn't give them good minutes too. So I think you're going to end up using both of those guys, but, I mean, I think it's going to be.

You guys did when you won it. France Soles. We had France Souls. He was six. Edmonton, against the Edmonton series. He was six in O. So I tweeted, it was about a month before the playoffs. I said, if you're not questioning Colorado's goaltending,

go into the playoffs, you're crazy. Gotta get ahead of this one. I was on Ambien. That one doesn't count. I was. I was on Ambien the next morning. I was like, oh, man, I was kind of ran. So people are sending me that tweet. Let's get this out in the open.

That was an Ambien tweet. Okay. Second thing, the shift Lekinen had on Panarin in game four. What an absolute dog. Like, he cannot. And are we overusing the term dog, maybe a little bit? He is one. he's all over the guy.

He ends up clearing that puck. It was just the perfect. So I just wanted to shout that out. Third thing, it's the question for you, E.J. I know when you won the cup, you swept Edmonton in the conference finals. He had a little bit of a weight, a little bit of a weight. Now they're going to be getting their eight days off. It's great.

Guys get more healthy. But in terms of Colorado, I'm sorry, Minnie Dallas going to seven, do you think it ends up causing anything for terms of rust? Or what are your thoughts on that? No, not for me. We swept Nashville in the first round, too, and I think we had five or six days off. So, like, we had that.

And those guys, I know those guys. They're not going to be, they're not going to be rusty. The rest is so key for those guys. And I think Manson got nicked up a little bit. So like, that's going to be big for him. And it gives a chance for Wedgwood, Blackwood, to practice and get some practice time. Because the a avs, they don't practice all year. I bet you they practice the least amount of any team in the NHL.

They're so big on rest and recovery. so I think the rest is going to be really good for them. And it gives them a chance to get healthy. I think Dallas and Minnie are going to beat the shit out of each other. And, you know, it's going to be a tough series for Colorado. But I expect them to go to the Western finals for whoever they play in the second round. I think those teams are going to be so beat up. Oh, yeah. If they aren't practicing hard,

I would imagine they're still getting on the ice and still working on the power play. They have to. They're 9.1 percent biz. Yeah, it's unreal. Yeah. straight of doing correct love the face off play they had the other night on the power play with

Nate just locking up Lott in there and then McKinnon sliding back door they're big on set plays I would assume off of ozone draw wins maybe even all over the ice what would you see as the issue with the power play from the regular season and like how how does a power play

with that many weapons struggle the way that it has it's a good question and I think for years everyone's called for the of the power play coach. And the power play coach only has so much. Like it's not just the power play coach. You don't think Bednar has any input. You don't think Joe Sackick has any input.

You don't think any of these guys put on the power play. Like it's not just the power play coach. You shouldn't have five players like that, though, and have a 9%. It's unbelievable. And it's been bad all year. It was good from the Olympic break to the end of the season. And now it's kind of rear its ugly head again.

But imagine they get that thing going. Like, why, E.J. What have you seen? What is it? What is it? I think McCar needs to shoot more from the top. Yes. Agreed.

I think everyone knows they want to go to McKinnon or maybe find whoever in the middle or Cadry on the side. I think McCar just has to shoot more. And I think, you know, Nate might be in his ear a little bit about not shooting a ton because Nate has a good shot off the flank. But Kail's got to shoot more. Because once you shoot from the top, as you guys know, everything opens up.

Yeah. opens up because everyone starts to respect the shot and they know it's coming. And I just think a little bit more simplicity. It's not always the perfect play this time of year. And they know that. But I think Kail needs to shoot more from the top, whether it's one-timers, wristers, any of it. Yeah. And then that opens up the bumper guy.

But they also, but their PK was 80% too against L.A. And we talked to Matthew Kachuk. And I had mentioned the, you know, with Colorado having a tough power play going right now, But he said in playoffs and to win a Stanley Cup, you need your PK to do well. At 80% right now against the team like L.A., probably not where you want it to be. So, like, the special teams are the big question right now. Yeah, I think, what were they? Number one in the NHL all season long, the PK was, maybe second.

But I wouldn't worry about that one either. And, yeah, I think their penalty kill, like they have so many guys that, they can rotate in and out of there. And I think having burns this year has been huge because K.L. doesn't have to play all the penalty kill, right? Like you have to play 27, 28. He can play like 24 or 25 and have Manson Burns. And even Malinsky kills penalties.

So I think having like that depth to give your top players or rest has been so big for those guys. I don't worry about their PK one bit at all. All right. I guess we got it before we get to Utah, Vegas, Biz at least bring up Andre Copa Tar. We've talked a lot about him. And I think it was

was it Bochy? Somebody's saying that if you redid the draft, that was Crosby's draft. He goes second overall. And the career, and I just want to shout him out. I mean, he's given the waves after. It sucks to go out with the sweep. Did the press conference with his kids, which I think is the big reason why he's ready to be done and be around his family

more. But what an unbelievable player in person. And just the fact that they ended up getting in this year kind of for him. And they were able to at least get him four more playoff games. It sucks with the sweep, but we want to shout him out as that series ends. Yeah, we've talked about him quite a bit here.

The, you know, the second half of the season just kind of pumping his tires to what he brought to his team, the franchise, the league and how he's handled himself. E.J., you probably played a lot against him. For a guy to be as good and competitive as he was and

to also be like a lady Bingwinger winner, excuse me, it's kind of like an anomaly, how well and how hard he played to to have done it with such class and grace. Yeah, and I think about Copey is he could keep playing. Like he's that good, right? Yeah. It's just done to spend more time with his family.

It's unreal what some of these guys are doing at this stage of their career. What is Copey, 39, maybe almost 40, but whatever it is, I mean, he could keep going and be effective. And it's, I just, I think it's, I have so much respect for these guys who can keep playing this well late into their career. mentioned Dushain earlier with like he's a guy that has gotten better as he's gotten older almost too and you don't see that too often nowadays so I think he always just handled himself with class Copatar did right like he was just a great ambassador for the game he played in LA so like the

East Coast people maybe didn't see him that much but he was right up there with a Bergeron type as far as how he played like he was kind of the West Coast Bergeron in my opinion 300 more career points than Bergeron yeah we said he's better one year she's Crazy. I know. Biz, you got the look on. You called the Mammoth. I think you've done every one of their games in this series, maybe three of the, three of them?

No, I know. The first two, I think we're on ESPN. Sorry. No, just watched them and was dialed into them. I thought game one, obviously the coolly line for Utah was their best line. I thought that, you know, Kells and Schmaltese definitely needed to get their feet wet and dive the series. They were way better in game three. That was an unbelievable goaltending performance,

especially in the first half of the game by Veggie. And he's been great the whole series. And I think they were peppered him about 15 to 5 in shots. And it was 2-0 for the Utah Mammoth. The first goal from Weeger, probably one that, probably one he wants back, Carter Hart, right? It ends up hitting him kind of right in that mask and then it hits him in the stick. And it's almost like an own goal.

I thought it was a bad bounce on that one kind of like he. Yeah, bad bounce, but still one that, I mean, it hits you right in the middle of the chest or like the helmet you should have it. Tough, tough bounce for sure. And it's, I mean, Wigger gets all alone because that weak side winger had dropped down in the slot area. So it kind of left him open. So I actually thought it was, I think it was Liam O'Brien where he was in the slot. And then boom, all of a sudden it just pops out and Wiger gets to step into one. The second goal, I'm trying to remember, oh, Gunther, again, Gunther.

He's going to score 50. He's a still. Dylan Gunther is just as lethal from that spot as Alexander Ovechkin. If you leave him all alone at the top, piss, piss, piss. What do you mean? We're talking about the greatest goal score of all time. That's fine. When he gets 60 or 58, I'll agree with you.

It's like Stam Kosoveskin, you think he could get there? You're saying right now? I'm saying he's just as lethal if you give him a one-timer there as Alexander Oveskin. I think he's automatic from that spot right there. In game eight, in game two, he gets the backhand cross-ice from Yamamoto. He literally flicks his wrist and it's fucking top titty down.

It's the best release in hockey right now. It's insane. Thank you. Best release in my opinion. Take it over. Goleys hated this guy because he would get on the flank like Sam Erson when I played with him in Philly. He's, Gunther torched him.

for maybe two one night. And Erson's like, man, my angle was perfect. Like, I don't know how he gets the shot off so quick. Like, this guy's a total stud. Utah reminds me of the abs like six years ago, how fast they play. Like, they're going to be a problem for a long time. And they always give Colorado a really tough game. So I'm going to be interested to see if Utah can get to the Western finals,

they end up playing Colorado. Like, that's going to be the fastest series ever. Well, the craziest part about this is if Anaheim wins and Utah wins, one of those teams is going to the conference finals. I know. And think about how fast that happened. We knew they were coming, but we didn't know they were coming this quick. And going back to that game three, I'm interested to see how this story develops with Aden Hill and Carter Hart. If Carter Hart has another tough start to this game, are they going to go to Aden Hill?

I feel like they've rotting Aden Hill off. I agree. The fact that they didn't go to him in that game at any point, this is. guy won a fucking Stanley Cup for the Vegas Gold Knights. He was unreal in that cup run and he stood on his head in some moments. I mean, we were there live in attendance when they played against Florida and

he was fucking incredible. So I don't know what is going on there but going back to that game three, I don't think Tourney gets enough credit as a coach. He is probably the least paid of any head coach in the NHL. I think his job was in question

at certain points. It was. It was. And I don't think Clayton Keller has taken a face off. He was 38% during the regular season. I don't even know if he's taken one face off so far in this series. So they're up to nothing, and they have a D zone draw, and they throw their fourth line center out, Stenland, with the top line of Kraus and Schmaltz.

Remember when we used to have Boyd Gordon on our team, the repair man? Yep. The offensive zone draw, Gordo, get out there, win the draw, and get off. Get off. Get the fuck off the ice. And then you're throwing that centerman who's supposed to be there. Well, what does Stenland do? He snaps it back.

They go up strong side, a beautiful job through the neutral zone. Krauser kicks it out to Schmalti. And then boom, it's right in the back of the net off a tip going to the net. And as that puck's going to the net, Keller stepping on the ice and the repair man's going off. So that to me, great coaching, great execution. That puts the game out of reach at 3-0. And sure enough, Kells and Schmaltzy, that line ends up, again for Krauser's second of the night and to make it for nothing.

And after that, it was pretty much game over, boys. So credit to the first ever playoff win at home in the Delta Center to the Utah Mammoth. And they have a big opportunity because, like you said, E.J., this is a fast team. And when you have those first top two lines going, man, and veggies kicking, they are going to be very, very difficult to beat, even if you're the Vegas Golden Knights. I totally agree with you about Andre Turgney. I had him as a, he was our de-coaching Colorado for three years with Patrick Waugh.

And we always said this guy will be a head coach one day if he can figure out the English, English language. That'll help it. His English was very poor at the time. It got better over time, but we had a tough time understanding him. And we just said when he gets more comfortable at the language, he's going to be an unbelievable head coach. You can hear this guy on the ice when you're playing literally yelling commands on the penalty kill,

like pressure, pressure, hold, hold. It was unbelievable. I never had a coach that you could hear that clear in an NHL game. But he did a lot for my career too, personally, just pushing me in different areas to get better. And he's a really good coach, like a really, really good coach. So I'm happy to see him have some success there. And I think Torz is going to stick with Hart.

That's kind of his guy from Philly. He had Hart and Philly. So I don't think they're going to go to Hill, no way. I was just going to ask you, Biz. Like, did you want Hill to start game three? He was good in game two. No, he said if he's just, struggles early, I thought you said.

Who was good in game two? Hart. Yeah, how was he in game three? Yeah, so you're saying you want Hill to start game four? I don't know, man, but you're acting like he's a career backup. He won't a fucking Stanley Cup as a starter. What the fuck has Hart done? Yeah, I think Hill was overall pretty brutal this year, and Hart's been pretty good.

Hart didn't play half the fucking year. Yeah, I'm talking since Torts came. He was awesome. Well, how was he last game? Okay, he had one bad game. So you're pulling the goalie? I'm saying it's crazy that he got lit up for fucking four, and he's still between the pipes when you have a fucking Stanley Cup winning starter as a backup. Okay, so you're saying they should have pulled them in that game?

I'm saying that I think there's something going on there in the fact that they didn't. Okay. Now, I'll say this about Vegas. I'm not panicked if I'm them. I mean, dude, like, they're there. Me neither. Now, the way they like dominated at least a shot clock in that game, It's more a question of like, I see Hurdle right now and I see Dorofiev.

Dorofiev in the playoff. Dude, this guy's like a 35 goal score in the regular season. It seems he shies away from any physical contact in the playoffs. Hurdle hasn't scored in, I think, 24 games. They broke up Stone, Eichl and what was it? Yeah, because now Eichols was Stone and Barboshev, Marners with Howden and Dorofiyev. Hurdles with Riley Smith and then Blutman, our guy, our Vegas guy, doesn't understand why Colissar stays on that third line.

So there are questions, but in terms of the way game three went, I don't think there's panic for Vegas. Put it this way. The Oilers are in a way worse spot than Vegas is in my mind. Utah's faster, but I still think Vegas is a great chance of winning game four in tying this up. That's kind of my

thought in terms of not panicking. I'll say this. If there was a goalie, a net that Torts didn't like, if he would have had the start to the game that Carter Harhat in game three, he would have been getting the hook and no agreed. So I'm saying, yeah, it's his guy from Philly and that's fine, but I feel like there's something going on where there's like literally no trust in Aden Hill. And I don't think that that's

fair in a sense of he's accomplished way more in his career than Carter Hard has. Horn, do you think Vegas kind of overlooked Utah here in this series? Because it kind of looks like the last two games. I don't know about that. And on the Hill thing, I think he had the worst five-on-five saved percentage of any goal in the NHL this year. Like I don't think there's any trust there, right? Like, yeah, it's great. He won a cup and like, that's great then. But what have you done for me now?

You know, like, I don't think they can go to him. Like, they had, they were like top five in the NHL and every metric except five on five safe percentage. Yeah, some of that's on your team in front of you. I don't think they can go to Hill. I just think they got to ride it out with Hart. I don't think. I'm totally.

I'm totally okay with them going back to heart in game four. Yeah. But I'm saying if it's a same similar start. to game three. Sure. And two goals go in and all of a sudden it's like, nope, we're not seeing he'll put his stuff on.

I'm saying, okay, like this guy literally hates his guts. Yeah, yeah, I'll agree with that. And it's funny. So Marner gets out of,

uh, gets out of Toronto and obviously the, the, the attention and the pressure is totally different. He doesn't have a goal yet. I thought that he would light it up this playoffs. I think I said in this series preview, I think he's going to explode and just being out there and how different it feels.

And he doesn't have. have a goal. So it's like they sign them to this huge ticket. They need the guy to score. Stone performs every playoff, right? Can Marner perform? This is a huge game for Vegas. And obviously this series, I think they've had, is this their second two day off? They've had, they've had two days off. I'm all about the two days off, EJ, because Edmonton hasn't had it once. But I don't know. I don't know what you think happens in game four. If anyone want to give a take or a preview? think that Vegas is fine. They'll figure it out and regroup.

I think this is going to be a long series. And I don't think that they overlooked Utah. I just think that when Utah, when they got everybody going, including goaltending, they're a very, very, very good team. Oh, yeah. And Logan Cooley has surpassed my expectations

on how much of a, I know we keep throwing the word bumper and dog around, but he's been a dog bumper. He's been a dog bumper. Yeah, he's dog bumping. He's dog bumping. Yeah. All right, EJ, buddy.

We appreciate it so much. Anytime. You're crushing it. So we'll see you next when? It's maybe game seven for Dallas Mini, not for sure. That's TBD and then if not second round. Okay. All right.

Well, congrats on everything. Congrats on playing Augusta. That's the coolest thing. Forget the in between the benches and the Stanley Cup playoffs. You're a legend, buddy. Thanks, guys. Appreciate your time. We'll talk to you soon.

All right, guys. They're the best, E.J. Thanks, guys. Take care. Man, missile. Yeah, man missile. Okay, so we still have RA to come on, correct? I think he's just going to be venting about the bees.

Okay. This is a therapy session. Okay, bring in R.A. And he can gloat about the ducks. Very true, very true. I have been crushing water, so bring in R.A. Well, I keep. R.A. needs a few minutes here.

I'll keep everybody entertained. Go ahead, Witt. No, no, I won't leave you hanging, buddy. Oh, okay. I won't leave you hanging. How the hell is R.A. not ready? What am I missing here? I think he's still getting back from the night.

No, that's on me. I didn't send him the link yet because I didn't want to come in and distract the EJ interview. No problem. No worries. We can, hey, listen, this is good. We should be able to.

You know what we should do? I'm on tilt. This is as down as I've ever been. I'm down bad. I'm down bad. It's, it's one thing to be. And now I said on part of my take like it's man in the arena type shit.

I'm going to give takes forever. As long as I'm doing this, I'm going to give takes. And you're always going to. a miss. And if you bat 300, you're a Hall of Famer. But I'll tell you right now, I'm, I feel, I feel small, I feel little, I feel like a failure. And it's tough getting beat up nonstop on the old World Wide Web. Buddy, listen, everybody goes through it. I was getting roasted after the Leafs got beat 6-1, 6-1 games 5 and 7 last year. I felt like a complete loser.

I still am a complete loser. But before we bring an R.A. I think that we should just, even the people at home listening, if you're in your car, let's just take a few deep breaths. I need this. It's been a very stressful playoff. So we're going to do a little box breathing. Okay, we're going to go four on the way in, hold for four, four on the way out, hold for four.

All right, let's do this together. All right, four on the way in. All right, come on in. Let's bring them in. That was enough for me. Thanks. Hello, everybody. Welcome to Our Raise World here with these spitting chips.

Let's podcast. What's going on, gentlemen? Another awesome weekend of NHL playoffs. Before he gets to the Pucks, Biz, I know you mentioned the, yeah, quack, quack. I got my bucket right here. You were talking about that Rabel thing earlier, Biz. Did you hear actually who took those photos? I know you mentioned the possible private investigator or paparacho.

I have no idea. It was another couple staying at the resort, like they recognized them. And so they didn't know them. They weren't working for anybody. They just took pitches, sold them to the post for, under for four figures. So even if they got $99,900, after taxes, basically these people, you know,

hey, fuck cheetahs, but like these people who like nuke those other people's lives for like $3,000, which is like basically what that place cost per night. So they basically probably got a free weekend just by fucking nuke and rebele and fucking receipt. So assuming that they knew who Vrabel was in the fact that maybe he wasn't with his wife or just being like sending it to people being like, oh, look, I saw Vrable in Sedona.

And then next thing, you know, they're like, oh, like, who's the girl he's with. It's like, oh, that's not his wife. They probably knew it was her. Yeah. I'm sure if they recognize. I think that couple is about to get sued too, R.A., because that hotel has a pretty strict no photography policy. It's like one of those hotels. Good.

I hope to get. Yeah, you can't take pictures. Yeah, no, that's bullshit. Sedona is one of those types of places where it's very private. Like you're going there to, like, get off grid and fly under the radar. That is, yeah, all of it sucks, R.A. not like her since we're into it her tweets and all of it was just one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen in my life the fact that like if I was having an affair with a woman and I ended

up having a kid with my current wife the last name on the planet I would name my daughter is the woman that I'm having the affair with's name that is just like lunatic my daughter a shitty Cindy right here. And that's coming from a guy with a thong swung on. That's coming from a guy with a fucking cock on his face. We'll go to a worse topic and that would be the Boston Bruins

effort yesterday. I mean, particularly the first period. I mean, I've watched every playoff game in that building, whether in person or on television. I can't think of a worse game. I mean, obviously there were traumatic games, game 7, 2019, game 6 and 2013, of course. But just that first period, it

was just a woeful effort. I mean, sloppy. I never saw them just so outperformed like that. I mean, they were not ready for prime time. And credit to Buffalo, they couldn't get in the zone. They could barely get out of their own zone. Buffalo took full advantage, but it was ugly, man. And the Bruins fans, they want to revolt now.

They act like we were like, you know, two to one Stanley Cup favorites. It was ugly. And, you know, the game collectively was ugly. But they were a little bit better than the second period. I know they had a couple clankers, but it was just a horrific loss. And, you know, I think it's a learning experience. I know people like, oh, blow it up, trade this one, trade that one. It's like, if you want to fucking trade Swainman after that game, you shouldn't watch hockey.

You're an absolute moron. I had said the biz, I did the spaces after the first. The biz said you should do one. And I was like, you know, Swamping gives up a fifth poem. And I don't know why they waited for a six. But just ugly all around. What's going on, buddy? What do you have on this one for us?

Oh, yeah, it was just pathetic. Truly pathetic. Ryder had a baseball game. so I'm coaching that. It started at one. I had to leave actually at like 225 to catch my flight to here in Chicago. So I quickly, I'm like, all right, probably 10 minutes in. It was 3-0.

I gasped. I said there's just no chance. It's 3-0 already. And then I see the goals. And we mentioned already, I mean, we're talking 15-foot set breakout passes that they couldn't, just completely not ready to play. My question to you is your opinion on Swamen and giving it to the bench. Did you not mind it?

loved it. I absolutely loved it. He did get hung out to dry. It was a woeful effort. And I know, you know, goalies aren't, well, can't be captains, or they aren't captains. But, like, that was like, I thought that was captain-like behavior. And I know you guys said, you know, keep it in the locker room. But I don't know, I mean, we see Nate Dogg do it on the bench to his teammates once in a while. Just because he's a goalie doesn't mean he can't snap out of him. And obviously the coach was fine when it. Sturm thought it was okay that he did it. And even Chuckie Max scored out the game, man to man in here. If we're not fucking embarrassed by what just happened, then I don't know what to say. And, you know, I think that quote combined with what we shopped and swimming kind of go hand in hand.

A little dove to. All right. I think you're on the same page as me here, though, too, where like, you know what? If the Bruins lose in the next game, they lose in five. Yeah, it sucks. But I'm really not that mad because we were talking last night. Like, this is all gravy. This season here.

No one expected the Boston Bruins to be in this place. They were plus 10,000, I believe, to win the division at the beginning of the season. No one saw this coming that they'd be in the playoffs. So the fact that they're even here in this rebuild that we were talking about 365 days ago is a lot, is sped up a lot faster than we originally expected. Yeah, it's on the fly fix, all house money right now. And honestly, like, that's an awful game to play. Like, I think those are like learning experiences that help, you know, young guys laid it down the line. And there's, you know, and people like, oh, they should have traded the deadline.

They only had two fucking pending UFAs on the team. Avidsson and I believe might be peak. So it's not like, you know, they had a bunch of guys. like that were going to be leaving at the end of the year like last year. It's like, okay, what would you have realistically got for? What, a fucking six round? Maybe it was, it wasn't even worth doing anything. I think, like I said, they just, they had what they had.

Let's see what happens with it boys. And, you know, we've been saying that from the jump. I mean, but it was still lucky. Not the type of, ah, stop you want to see. All right, you got a little good news coming your way in that. And, oh, God, what I love to see, Buffalo bury you guys in Buffalo game five to move on. But Merles and I are there. That's a sign.

That could be a tough sign for Sabers fans. Not a chance. You guys are closing that fucker out. Wow, you believe in me. I appreciate that, bud. I appreciate that. Not even you can mush the blade gang. But I'm with morals.

I'm with more. Oh, double-mush. Double-negative equals a positive. Positive. Yeah, we're math, guys. What do they, what, like, without saying Swamen needs to steal it, how do they beat them game five?

That's the problem. There isn't really anything there. It's coaching right now. Like, gee, like we talked about last night, you know, you know, as good as a year Sturm had, Lindy Ruff has 24 more years experiences as they had coached them. This is Ruff's 2050. It's first. And just watching the Bruins, like I said, trying to get out of their own zone was ugly,

but it was like, fucking basically the Sabers had like, you know, the Great Wall China with the Blue Line. The Bruins just could barely get any penetration a little bit in the second period. So they're going to do some adjustments. You know, I've never been an exes and those guy, as you know, but, you know, they have to change, I don't know if to maybe mix the personnel, the lines up a bit more, but more so figuring out just how to, you know, break through with Buffalo stifling them.

And of course, once they get the lead, you know, they don't even have to sit on it. They just basically, like I said, but it looked like they were putting four guys at the blue line sometimes and the Bruins could break through. So they need to do something strategic and to, you know, get a much better on the four-trick. They've been outshot all four games, 30 to 20, 35, 27, 30 to 25, 35, 24. They haven't even gotten 30 shots on goal in one of these games yet. so they got to do something. I think the coach scapegoating is like a little bit much.

I agree with you, Biz. I've never, I've never, I'm sorry to interrupt you. I've never been like, oh, out-coached completely. The players play the games, boys. Is he the one snapping fucking 20-foot passes off the tape, like on easy zone entries? Or are, not to call you out. What is he done? What is rough done to out-coach him?

That's what I never get. Well, again, like, basically Buffalo, stifling the Bruins. They can't get in the zone. So to me, that's like, okay, whatever system, and again, I'm not, I'm fucking not familiar with that. I was a street hockey guy, but whatever they're doing, it's a coaching strategy. So, like, Sturm isn't able to figure that out, apparently, at least from very rudimentary way to put it, but, you know, the Bruins can't get entry into the zone. So to me, it's like, whatever Buffalo is doing, the Bruins need to change what they're doing.

So the fact that, again, they're being outshot, they're not getting great possession in the offensive zone. So, yeah, to me, I think that ultimately goes down to coaching at the end of the day. Yeah, F, it's a huge part. But yeah, to me, that's an exes and O's thing. And, you know, Lindsay's exes are doing better than Strem's O's right now. So where I disagree is only that I look at Buffalo is more skilled. They're faster.

Faster. And they have better defensemen overall that it's like this is a straight up personnel mismatch. So I, but I'm not saying, buddy, you are not alone in saying like, oh, coach, it gets mentioned a lot in all different playoffs series. I think I've always just kind of been like,

oh, that team's better than that team. Obviously, there's times when you have master class coaching examples. But for Buffalo Boston, I just am not looking at this like, oh man, Stern is overmatched. I'm like the team is overmatched. Yeah. True to that as well. I think you've got to get Linholm off Pasta's line too.

He's clearly hurt. He's slowing him down. They moved him off the power play. Like, pasta was playing with Minton and Kuznadinoff at the end of the season. I get they're under 23 years old. I get you don't want to throw them into the fire. But he needs to play with someone a little bit faster. Okay, that's a coaching thing. Minton had the pizza to start things off on the reverse to start game three.

He did. Or game four, excuse me. I agree. He did. He made that one mistake, but I think overall in the series, Mitton's been pretty good. And he's been much better than Linholm, to say the least. Yeah, one last,

Buffalo note, some lady tweeted the other day, she was sitting there where her husband would get ready for the game and the door open and some guy walks in. And they're like, can we help you? And he's like, is this Steve's party? They're like, no, Steve's three doors down. And he's like, okay.

And he fucking reaches his cool. It gives them shots. They all that a shot together, like total fucking strange. Quentinay? I don't know if they were doing pinkies up, but that's just like a quintessential Buffalo story. But we got to give props to our boy Coop. Cooper now has 90 wins with Tampa Bay in the playoffs.

He passes Glenn Sather for the second most career playoff wins by a head coach with a single NHL franchise. He also enters the top 10 in NHL history for playoff wins by a coach. Shout out to our pal Coup. And what a series, that's all right? All right. With one team? It's got to be strong.

Oman, right? Holman with Montreal. Yeah. Or Al Arbor? I don't know, but I was wondering if we have that. It might actually be Al Arbor. Because Coleman was with Detroit and Montreal, like for those stretches of time. And Pittsburgh.

Yeah, Pittsburgh for a hot minute. But would you only be one franchise? Actually, it's a good question because Montreal won four in a row. It's got to be Arbor. And you know what? It's got to be, you know what? Al Arbor. When Montreal would four in a row, they will live football playoffs.

And then when the island is the one, they were in my play-up game. So shout out to you. Good stuff. Yeah. What was it? 19 straight series victories? That'll never be beat again. No, not even.

Yeah. Close. And you know, I think, I think you know who's either second or third, like as winning consecutive playoff series? Pat, the big rig, Pat Maroon. It's like, team, team, and then Maroon. He's like, I believe, number three in most consecutive series one. Yeah, he's probably at 13, right?

13 or 14. I'm not sure at the number at the top, the top. But he's definitely like in the top three of most consecutive. He went four, eight, And then they lost in the, what happened after the, he lost in the finals, right? Yeah.

So 15. Yeah. Wow, good, good stuff there. I'm glad to a mini in Dallas. We're getting six games there. This has been an awesome series, no surprise there. Two one goal games, both went to OT. Game two had an empty net goal, so that was a century, a one goal game.

Curles get six points and four games. I know he talked about Boldie earlier, but what he's doing, man, talk about just raising his game on the big stage like this. It's been great stuff. And we got to give a- So, Carill, going to Carill, like, obviously, like, game one, like everybody was good for Minnie. Like, they fucking dusted him.

Obviously, I think he had two assists last game, did get an assist on the winner. Like, you know, hey, help win a puck battle down low, low to high. I think we can agree on, like, even though he has six points, not as, like, visibly dominant, like, the regular season. Like, Boldie, it's like, oh, it's visible. He's taking over shifts. He's having solo individual efforts. Just would expect maybe a little bit.

more of that from Carill. I think though if Zook is like 90% when he comes back, I think them too, if they get put together, I think that that could help Caprice off get going again. I agree. I agree with that. And we haven't brought up. No hints

is still like, dude, that is I think he's done the whole series. Yeah, it has to be at this point, I would think, right? And who knows even the next round, dude, based on what they've talked about in him. I mean, they've ruled him out of game four, going into game too. And I believe Hintz was injured a little bit last year as well,

like missed some games in the run. And it kind of going back to Copa tar, I know we've been jumping around a lot, this pot is like the best, what is it, the best ability is availability. Copatar was always available. That's what made him,

as special as he was as a player, he was never hurt. He was always there to be relied upon. I don't know if he was battling through stuff or he just didn't get injured because if you look at his, ankles and his body. He is like, he's built like Deloree, but he moves like fucking,

but he moves like Logan Cooley, like that type of guy. But he is just, he was, he was a force that was always available. Also to a shout out, man, 35 year old Matt Nuchin. He's having a hell of a series as well. Unreal. Five assists, seven points in four games. Great to see an old guy getting it done like that. We got a shout out veggie, Vermilca the other night.

I mean, what was it, Vegas, 32 shots. He made 30 saves. Utah only had 12 shots that game. four goals on 12 shots. They held on, not for their life, but, you know, Vegas got a couple late. But that series, I mean, they could take a 3-1 lead. That's pretty wild. I don't think a lot of people saw that coming.

And again, that's another tight series. You know, two one-goal games, I'm sorry, a one-goal game, an empty net game, and, you know, four two the other night. I think that's been entertaining as hell. I got to give Freddie Anderson's props. I know you guys briefly mentioned that earlier, 4-0, 1.10 goals against a 9-5-5-sa percentage. One shout-out, just five goals against that entire series. But, you know, for a sweep, a very competitive series.

You know, Ottawa lost 2-0-0-2-2-2-2-2-2-1, and then 4-2 with, you know, then the end goal. So just five goals they scored. And I know, you know, this is probably the cap and obvious, but I'd be shocked to shit if Brady Kachuk is wearing a senator's uniform come September, October. It just, it's just like- Where do you think he ends up, R.A.? You know what?

There's too many, I don't know, too many places that I think would have down on one. I would imagine, you know, a big-market American team, you know, but he does have two years left, I want to say, about 8.2 million. at his cap. So it's not like like his brother, you know, had one year left and, hey, I'm not signed after this year. With two years, it's obviously a different scenario. But yeah, it just seems like sort of one of these relationships that might

be coming to the end and might be mutually beneficial with both sides. But obviously Ottawa, you know, they don't have to do anything. They don't have to trade them. They could sit around and wait for the proper deal. But, you know, a power forward who averages, you know, what is it, 0.80 points per game. You know, a tough guy like that. Obviously,

I think teams will be lining up to get them. But yeah, it feels like it might be over. on that one. And like it's minister next to Boston. They had his picture on the ESPN. I was like, oh, that would be a nice sight. What's that, Jans? No, I was just going to say like a lot of it too could be these teams that lose.

Like if Minnesota loses, they're going to have to retool get better. Like they could go. If Dallas loses, they go out, get better. Need a guy like him. Florida obviously didn't make playoffs. They're looking to retool, bring in guys. So I think there's going to be a ton of teams that want him, even though Aves wouldn't think so, but

the fact that you could add him to your team next year if you're a team that's on the cusp is going to be going to be huge. We didn't even mention Kail McCar much. Wiggle Dick Shakira Hipses, I'm calling him now. That was a great tweet.

Just fucking just giving him one of these across the blue lines. If I was a head coach of a team and we're playing against him, I would tell my forwards, if you run out at him, I'm going to murder your family. Yeah.

Same as Quinn. Same as Quinn. Don't just stay off him a little. Stay eight feet to 10 feet away from him and just keep him in front of you. And the minute that he starts moving towards your net, just turn around and skate back. It's fucking, you saw that guy yesterday. It was a Taylor Wright? Yeah.

Yeah. Is he a rookie? Oh, dude. There's a little pick play there. And then he's like, I got to get out. And it's like, oh, man, don't do it. and then Kail's just licking his chops, blows by him. And how about McCar?

Like the minute that he's got a step on him, he just takes his ice inside. So now you can't even get to his stick because he's a righty, right? And he zips that puck. These goalies are holding their gloves like this now. And he throws it right at his elbow. So you can't, it's hard for them to come down in real time where it's more comfortable to go up.

He knows exactly where he's going with that puck. That guy for solo individual efforts, at the blue. You can't tell me this guy's not the best defenseer in the world. It's a joy and biz like when he puts his body into you, there's a 50% chance you could take a penalty on him because he's getting inside. You either got to hold

them to not. The announcers last night were like, if he beat you like that, you got to take him down and take a penalty because he's either scoring or you're going on the power play. I would have just skated through the tunnel. I would have just got out avoid the minus. That was Taylor Ward's first

playoff game. Ward. Ward. Yeah. And he's like, oh my God, no, no, no. And you know right away. As a player, you know the second, the split second, your beat. And then when it's a guy like him, you're like, I'm, this is going to end up so ugly and so bad. And the fact is it looked like he might have recovered. And maybe most D he did recover.

Nope, no chance. You know he's going to be at the bar this summer showing girls. This was me here getting burned. Getting toasted in his group chat by his boys. Like he was listening to this whole podcast like, oh, fucking rice. they didn't talk about it. Boom, last five minutes. Fucking RA's world.

But we're also saying, we're also saying, like, buddy, you're one of a million. Like, this is not something to be ashamed about. Well, like the senators, I mean, the Kings, I thought they were, I know, I picked them in seven. It was sort of my one-upset pick of the first round. But I thought they were, except for the game four, they were in every game. I mean, they were very competitive, just, you know, outman, too much skill. Forsberg was terrific. I mean, except yesterday he had a tough game in the game four, but Wedgwood, four and

with one-to-one goals against 9-5-0, 8 percentage. He kind of probably, you know, definitely quieted some critics right now. And I know you guys talked about Kobita earlier, but I just want to, like, just I love like the handshake line when it's a lost guy's, you know, time going through that. You know, him and Bernsey, they competed. God knows how many times against each other. That's just real special shit. But while it's that, though, you know, he actually only got out of the first round

three separate times in his career, like 12, 13 and 14, but you win two cups. It's not the shabiest thing in the middle time. they went to the Western Conference finals there. And also the Kings, since then the new TV deal the last couple of years, the Kings are the first and only team to make the playoffs all five seasons under the current TV deal and never have won a series. Just kind of a weird little statistical anomaly right there too.

And who would have thought a duck's defenseman leading to playoff scoring? Jacks are at home, eight points in four games. Brandon Hagel with goals, he's got six. Lecombe leading with seven assists as well. But want to give a shout out to our pal, Kenny Albert, name drop, Keith. he has the most national broadcast of all time here in the States. Saturday was his 1,5th call passing the legend Dick Stockton through all four major sports.

But that's awesome to do all four sports like that and, you know, to be able to do it at that level. Awesome stuff. Keith, I know you were asking for All right, Hamilton last week. So we'll do a couple, couple flyer right here. Oh, yeah. Shout out to Kenny Albert, boys. That guy's off. Great.

Machine. Machine. Unreal guy, too. All the travel. All the travel. do too, and the preparation man, your hats off to him and all the other folks doing that. All right, this one is from SkyGud 2000. All right, Hamilton, this is for everyone except Biz since we know his answer.

If you could go back in time and be a spectator on the set of any movie, which one would it be? What would you do with? Wow. A cool question. That is a cool question. So I love Braveheart, and I think just like being around like those best. battle scenes.

Unbelievable answer. I think, and then being around, like, because there's so much outdoors in it and the way they filmed the battle scenes for me, if you're just standing where the director is and where the cameraman are, I think that'd be my pick. I actually wouldn't say there will be blood. I would have a different answer. And I would take a page.

Bogie nights. Mine would be Gladiator. Well, what was business? A gladiator's good one. Mine is also a war movie. I would take Ben Hur. Just because I'm interested to how they made movies back then.

Like it's just like it was a way, it was a way different era where there wasn't there was no CGI. There was none of that, right? You had to. Oh yeah. Yeah, everything was practical effects. Oh, not very much showing that era. Plus you'd be taking down like extras in the big bushes every day. What a, what a mature answer, Biss?

Like saving private Ryan. Saving Private Ryan, the beach on Normandy. That is. Was it Omaha, R.A.? Am I? Yes, Omaha Beach for us. That would be, that would be sick.

Gee, what do you got for us, bro? I see you sitting there. I would say, Dude, where's my car? Wall Street. I would say, Wolf of Wall Street. Just because I actually heard when they were filming that, it was just like, they weren't doing actual blow and doing like,

I heard it was a crazy party, though, and it was nuts. And Margot Robbie, I think Margot Robbie in that movie is like the hottest girl of all time. So I'd love to be on set for that. All right. I'm going to go. Your answer. Caddyshack. Oh, great answer, rear.

There's actually a book. I saw it. Chris the Shaw would say he, it's a book. Probably the last one I read in it. I read in about three days to make it a caddyshack. I mean, as you expect, at late 70s,

Bill Murray, Chevy Chase, like enough said there. They basically, they had it in the budget. There was, drugs, they didn't have it listed on the budget. Drugs, they euphemize it with something else,

but they literally had it in the budget to buy, like, you know, whatever drugs they needed. Obviously, weed, coke, whatever. And the only dude, who didn't touch one thing the entire like, I don't, month or whatever. They filmed it down in Florida. It was Ted Knight, you know,

the fucking judge smells, like their opt-tight guy with the white hair. No way. He was the only dude, eh? No, that's who I would guess. He was incredible in it. I've played, uh, you'll get nothing unlike it.

I've played the course. It was filmed that. It's, it's... Brandoaks. Yeah, great. It's actually pretty sick. Yeah, cool track. But it's, uh, what a movie.

I'm surprised no one said, um, slap shot. Oh. I know. Great call, yeah. Oh, wow,

that's a, yeah, no shit. Probably, I said that probably because I, oh, if you're,

if you were behind the camera in the locker room, that would have been, that would have been classic. Even just like, I'm sure they brought in, I'm sure they brought in like a bunch of minor league guys and NHL guys or whoever to like show them exactly how locker rooms and shit were.

I bet it was it blast. Bruce Boudreau. He's in it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. His, his,

Reggie Dunlop's abobon was Bruce, Bruce, Bruce Budrow's actual apartment because they need. They needed a dumpy apartment, apparently. That's what they said when they talked about it. So, yeah, pretty good stuff there. Let's see. Got one more for you and we'll wrap it up here.

Did you have any other answers, R.A., as backup? Yeah, Animal House and Revenge of the Nerds, because they basically were just, you know. Snakes on a plane. You wouldn't kill me, guy. Animal House and Revenge of the Nerds, because they basically, it was like Party Central because they filmed the Animal House. I believe it was the University of Oregon and then Revelling. The Nerds was Arizona University.

And again, this was the late 70s, the late 80s. Like, dudes would just, like, you know, the whole cast and crew would be out all night, show up to the set on like an hour or two of sleep and just get at it once again. Like, it was just like, you know, a two-month-long party. Obviously, those are hilarious movies, too. But, oh, you did mention Boogie Night's a few minutes ago.

There's actually a great read, an oral history. I think, I don't know, Grantland did it years ago. When they were filming Boogie Nights biz, you know, Mark Wahlberg, Mark Eagach, he wasn't much in a, established actor yet. And meanwhile, he's going with John C. Riley and Julian Moore and Bert Reynolds, all these legend of stage and screen. Right. So Paul

Thomas Anderson, like, deliberately kept him, like, away from the other people on set. So it would increase his, like, feelings of isolation. You know, be coming into this new world. And I mean, you know, if you've obviously seen the movie, Maki Mock is by far his best role ever. So, yeah, the director, like, deliberately.

Like, as in, like, to make him kind of like that innocent, naive character to come into it? Just more so, like, you know, he wouldn't be, he wouldn't get too, like, maybe familiar or a chummy with his co-stars, but, you know, because he was a newbie in the, you know, in the movie, he was coming into this new industry. So, yeah, he deliberately kept them from, you know, from his co-stars early on to, like, sort of feed the role. And I mean, sometimes, you know, director is just, you know, interesting, crazy tricks. So, yeah, I thought you liked that. Paul Thomas Anderson's a genius.

I love that guy. Yeah, absolutely brilliant director. Hey, have you watched one battle after another yet? I, I haven't yet. I will. I will. That's a problem. I, I just got to get to about 15 more. There will be Budwatches in. And then I'm really happy I watch the Godfather. I have to now watch Godfather 2 for the fall. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Which is apparently better than Godfather 1.

I like it more. Both incredible. They go flashback to when the Godfather was like 20 years old. That's a prequel? In Godfather 2, they go back and forth between when what's Marlon Brando's 20 years old and comes into power and then back. to when right now Michael Corley-Owley-Owens it, I like it better.

I think you should watch it today after you relax to wind down. I'm gonna, yeah, I'm gonna smoke a Jay and do that. That's awesome. Yeah, I, uh, one last one here. This is a good one. This is from B McCarkiner, NYU Rangers fan. If you were in a saw-like real life scene.

No, not that, no, not that's been on Twitter forever. That's another dude here. Anyways, if you were in a saw-like real-life scenario, would you be able to saw off your own? I'm a leg to save yourself. This is right. I don't think you, I don't think you like mentally can.

It's very difficult. Although there was a story about a guy who, I believe he got caught when he was rock climbing out of the wilderness. Yeah, 127 hours. Yeah. And he had to, maybe it was his leggy had amputate or one of his arms that he did to himself. Would I personally?

Like, yeah, I think obviously mentally, if it's life or death, you just have to kind of grind through it. I would love to think that like for my kid, like my kids, I would, yeah, I would do it. I mean, easier said than done. Maybe the all time easier said than done. Couldn't even get wet and he has a block a shot. I was going to say,

I've lived a good enough life. I'm good. Gee, what about you? Would you be able to pull that off? He could just pull his arm off. He wouldn't even have to. I got a paper cut. It wouldn't take much.

It wouldn't take much. I think three or four saws and my wrist would be snap. So I think the wrist. Probably, yeah, probably, Yeah, probably, Yeah, probably, Oh, yeah, he couldn't do the arm,

but you had no problem taking some scissors to your wrist. Oh, that, I did see that movie, too. I remember when he was, you know, based on the true story,

like Biz just mentioned, what he actually is cutting it. And like, it's obviously not real. It's a fucking movie, but when he gets this, like, I never got the,

like, worst, like, chills, goosebumps, awful feeling, like, when he cuts through, was,

like, tendon because you just can imagine, like, how fucking awful that must have felt. But, you know, It's quite the testament, though, what, you know, with the human body. I'll tell you what.

If Buffalo loses game five, there might be a Sabres fan trying to cut my arm off. So I, you know, I would, I don't know. Well, boys, I know it's been a long one for you guys today. Playoffs, you know, rolling along. Everything's been awesome so far. So hopefully you'll just energy boost for the end of your Monday here. Thank you, all right. Shut out to wit, man.

Like, despite how many else you've been taken, buddy, you've been carrying the content side of the game. and I mean the amount of comments on that video you dropped last night, $6,400 on the spit and chicklets Instagram. I don't know. That's got to be some sort of a record or something. A man in the arena, boys. And I would say maybe give $800 to Oilers fans. Would you say $67, $6,600?

What, how many total? 6,400. So let's say $5,600 are just carving me. But man in the arena and these tapes won't stop. And they never will stop. and this series ain't over and everyone, three hours, thank you for tuning in with us.

I'm on to do something very special right now. Little family feud action. Be out next week. So thank you to everyone. Thank you to the fans. Unbelievable first round so far. That's why the shows are a little longer, so we appreciate you tune in with us,

appreciate Netflix. Love all you guys. Thanks for our guests. Thanks to, thanks to Dave's, EJ, all our sponsors. Go get a Reese's. Thank my computer. Go get some aura frames. Go drink some.

body armor, right? Go bet on Draft Kings. We love you all. You guys are the best. I'm going to go touch some grass. Peace. I'll go to go some.