Spittin Chiclets - Spittin’ Chiclets Episode 659: Free Agency Frenzy

Episode Date: July 7, 2026

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Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed to the jungle that is Boswell Sports. I brought it towards the coyotes and I asked him if it was okay if I joined the Spit Chickles podcast full-time. Ryan Whitney's got a pink Whitney out there now. There's a standbacker, get that on camera. Keith Yandel, the Sank Man. It's a full-time member. Marley just got an assist from Chris Bates. Whoa, we're buzzing right now.

Sank. What is up, everyone? Welcome to episode 659 of the Pinkies Up Spitting Chicklets podcast. Look at Biz. Looks like he's in an amazing cabin in Wyoming, I believe, or Montana. I'm not even sure. Keith and I, once again, in his house in Nantucket. Shout out Keith for letting me be upstairs in his beautiful guest bedroom.

And shout out everyone for listening. Pinkies up. Pink Whitney was everywhere. I do want to explain that I had the greatest Fourth of July in my life. but before I get into that I will mention there was one kid who walked by me and literally handed me a little Pink Whitney shot so I said thanks so much

but it's 10 in the morning but I appreciate boom and now is a nice little beginning to put Pink Whitney mouthwash This isn't a sandbagger but thank you very much Shoto Pinky's up showed out Pinky Whitney and thank you to everyone for just giving me little pinkies up when I walked by That was me that was me with

Sorry who's that he was buckled from the night before I actually got one in in jazz I go to this place called Nora's. I eat like 75% of my meals. Oh, you do? Really?

That's unlike you. Wow. It's my, it's my Houston's of Jackson. No, it's not just Houston's. It's every city you go in, you find a place and you eat seven of ten meals there.

That's your mood. That's true. That's true. Hey, I keep getting text messages from Mark Pissick because remember the day you were flipping out, you didn't get four eggs. And he sends me a picture of his breakfast every morning

of four eggs. He goes, I can only have two, but I get four every time because biz. Where do we have breakfast? In Boston. Yeah, but oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. At the same place we went every day because you made us go every day. Boys, you know, you know, I know, I know what I'm getting. That's what I'm a lot.

You know, I know consistency. That place was unbelievable. That, what's that place called in Boston that we went to? Right across from what, the four seasons? Yeah, was it like hatch or something? I don't know, but it was, fuck. You got to go there. You got to go.

Yeah, but I'm not ordering four eggs there. Oh, you got to. Did you get them, though? Did you get them all? Dave, and she brought them out finally after I went to the kitchen. Like, sure, you can't be back here. Where the fuck are my eggs? I'm going to crack one on your forehead if I don't get my silly.

Slaps the chef on the way out. Like, dude. Yeah, I thought you liked this restaurant. You've been here 400 times this month. But, like, I go in there and, like, obviously nobody, like, notices me. But the other night, or was it for breakfast? Yeah, no, this is for dinner the other night. I'm going to the bathroom and there's this guy with his wife and two kids,

and he gives me the, it kind of, it caught me off guard. I was like, what's this guy doing? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, buddy. So I got my, I got my first one on the road where I was a little bit startled. It felt great. So shut out, pinkies up, and I've been having a ball in Jackson, the whole Wyoming, I'll tell you.

I didn't want to admit this part because it was funny. It's very funny. But it got to me a little bit. But I was walking today, Keith, after camp. So we're at the Yandel hockey camp weekend in Antucket. It's awesome. I went for a long walk after like five miles. I wear the weight vest.

It's really pathetic looking out of here. Yeah, yeah. He's a stay-at-home mom. I'm a middle-aged mom. I'm a middle-aged mom. But they have a family. I'm assuming it was the son. He looked like.

a 16, 18, right around there. He went first. Then the wife went. Then the dad went and he turned around as he like went by me. He's like, what's up? What dog? And I was like, nothing. What's up, bro? I actually gave him the pinkies up. And he and then like as they're like continuing to go, his son was like, who's that? And he's like, oh, it's Ryan Winn. He's like, he's a squid. No.

He goes, that guy's a squid. That's what I heard. I wanted to fucking run after him. But I had a wait press on. can't run without a weight vest and put a Ryan Goggins couldn't get him. That guy's a squid. That's all I heard. He called you Ryan Goggins. Actually, it's funny you say that.

Like two days ago, I was at the same place going for like a dip in the creek. I was eating at Norris and I went to grab a dip in the creek. And somebody honked the horn, but it was the guy in the passenger seat and he leaned over and gave me the finger. And like gave me more. Fiki knew who you was or more were you in the middle of the road, like texting? No, no, no, I wasn't the middle of the road. I was like off by where Nora was walking to where the creek is, like on that side of the road. Just a random middle finger?

Just a random, yeah. Did you give him the pinkies up back at least? No, I gave it the squint like, eh, is out my, like kind of like the, hey, oh, that guy's giving me the finger. Oh, that's a tough one. So I do want to make it. I don't have many enemies here yet. I mean, maybe it's because I keep taking all the seats up at Norris. Or that guy's like I've listened to his show.

He has 19 favorite teams. Fuck him. Gives you a big middle finger. But hey, announcement boys, before we really kick this thing off is, Chicklet's Cup is coming back to Boston, baby. October 8th to 10th at the same spot, the Harpoon Brewery, for anyone who attended last year. First off, thank you.

Second off, I think it was, it was basically perfection. I mean, obviously, you know, we had the incredible matchup of the Stranglers versus the Big Deal Selects in which neither team won. You know, the Stranglers lost to Big Deal Slecks, but Big Deal Selects lose again, and they're going to lose again this year.

It's just is what it is what it is we got a rematch within those two teams. Then I believe is it, is it Mississauga or Brampton? Where's that? No, Brampton. Brampton. Those animals, they're just, they were on stop on the championship. So info on where and when to sign up will be released. on all our social media soon.

But I think everyone who was there was pretty complimentary of the venue, the area. I mean, that's a beautiful time of the year to be in Boston early October. Are you kidding me? I'm fired up. I'm fired up. And it's just another year of seeing the big deal so last just fall flat on their face right before the finish line. But it's amazing content and a great tourney.

So October 8 to 10th in Boston, start planning your flights now if you want to get in. I called our captain Terry Ryan the other day. He was having a few cocktails. I think he was in Yellow Knife. And he's like, yeah, he's like with all the traveling gigs and all the, you know, acting stuff now, he's like, I'm not in the best shape. He's like, I think I'm going to like hang them up basically like after not pay, not play like competitively like with the national team and stuff. I still think it's crazy that he can make the national team. Like he's having a hard time keeping up.

Shut out nose face. USA just won it. USA saw it. I saw a picture of nose face and the camera was right on. Oh, geez, another tournament? This guy's face. Yeah, what happened to the US one? We're down to one to Belgium right now.

We're even getting out of red cards, which apparently is impossible, but that was an amazing storyline. Okay, we have to go over that now. I think we got to save it. I think we got to save. There's so... R.A's world. R.A.

There's so much new. Yeah, because you know R.A. It was bullshit. that the Trump man, the Trumpster got involved and got rid of this red card. The storyline is amazing. You want to talk about it now? Maybe we should shift to hockey because there's probably a lot of people who want to.

They do love the summer episodes. But before we get to the hockey, I want to ask you guys about your 4th of July. I saw a few pictures that you posted on your Insta story. And I never post. You never do. And it was the first one on my grid when I... I'm going to send this pick to G so he can include it.

I think it's the greatest picture. He said it was his favorite 4th of July of all time. You know he was posting a photo. How did you get on a float? So, no. So my brother-in-law's buddy, his cousin lives in Nantucket. He runs the rank. He's a great guy, Brian. And he had said last year, so it's kind of funny. So they have downtown on Main Street in Nantucket, 4th of July. They've forever had this huge water fight where the fire engines come down everyone's bringing, you know, machine gun water guns. And you're just, it's like a war. It's a war down there. And so last year, there's a drought. So they canceled it, which was a big bummer. And then, of course,

there's a drought this year. So word was that it was getting canceled again. I was actually getting on the boat with the guy. Trump called it. You give him that water? So this guy, Tom Green, that me and Keith know, Bubba's Bubba's is an uncle or something like that? Bubba's uncle. Yeah. A great guy. He runs the car ferry, the steamship. This guy's a legend. And I said to him like, yeah, usually July, fourth day of this water fight. It's just so it's like you're in 1950s America. It's just the cobblestone, just the whole vibe down there.

But they're canceling it. Again, I was hurt because there's a drought. The guys say it's a fucking island. I know, buddy. I believe me. I got no idea why they can't get water. Where there's salt water this year? I would be fine with that. Somebody donated. I don't even

know how much water, but they donated enough water where it was the guy said he thought it was the long this water fight that had ever gone down downtown. So this guy, Brian, had said, hey, your kids and riders' cousins are here. They can ride on top of the 1926 fire engine. Like, I'm talking, it's 100 years old.

So that's the third fire engine to come. You know, the other two of the actual hose is this thing. You were putting out fires in 1926 with basically something less powerful than those squirt guns. The kids are using now. But they got to ride in on the top. So they pulled down Main Street. And all of a sudden that this water,

fight begins. Now, at one point I said, I got to get up on that, on the top of that fire injure. So I got up, Brian brings me over a legit fire hose that's ripping water. Buddy, I was picking people off that went downtown with no plans to get wet. Women with Louis bags, I was burying, burying. These things were shooting. The Birken bag gets you five thousand points. Yeah, you know, Nantucket. Ladies got a six to seven thousand. You get an extra 500 liters of water if you get the burkin. She's like, I'm like, let me, yeah, let me pour the water out of your burkin bag before you go get a margarita for breakfast on the 4th of July. Actually, Fourth of July. You see Fudge Kid round the corner. You're licking your chop. Oh, I would have, I would have had acid. I would have

acid for him. I would have, I would have, I would have, budge kid is the kid who called him a squid. He's grown up now. Oh, really? We did think we were talking about this the other day. I think he's probably like 18 now. But, uh, so, so we start off with that. It was just amazing. You know, you go down there and it was just an awesome time. So this picture, I'll show you guys now, but G can put it in. I mean, buddy, look at how happy I am and look at Ryder over my, what would be my right shoulder, your left. I mean, it's like you won the cup.

Look at Ryder. I literally thought that you were. It looks like you won the cup. I thought you were at the Panthers Cup parade outside of Elbow Room. No, I'll be in Edmonton's Cup parade next year. We can talk about them in a minute. What a wagon. Stan Bowman is cooking.

cooking. So, listen. He needs a red card. So then we went back. We went to the pool. Then we went over to Keith and his buddy, Zach. He owns this great restaurant here, Sea Grill. And he had, he had this cookout, buddy. He had this restaurant. Obviously, the chef is his brother-in-law. He's doing all the cooking. They had kegs of beers. They had kegs of margaritas. They had a volleyball court. So we did that. That was an awesome three hours. And then we went down to the beach, set up a giant bonfire. There's the,

The dunes, kids are running up the dunes. Then you watch the fireworks from the harbor. I mean, 10 o'clock, I sat there. I said, that was the best day in my life. It was honestly one of the most memorable fun Fourth of July. So it was awesome, man. You want to hear how my morning started? I want to hear yours, yeah.

So I'm walking downtown to go watch the parade. My kids aren't here. They're at camp, but I was like, oh, I want to go see Witt's kids, whatever, see all the kids. And we were just going to hit up a couple bars. I'm walking down there. I just hear, hey, Kee-ee, they all got guns pointed. at me just lighting me up.

I didn't plan on getting wet. I'm part of this crew that just went down there not to get soaked. Wyatt, Squanto and Ryder, and lighting me up off the side of the truck. I'm like, poise, boys, boys. It was unbelievable. It was so much fun. It was just, yeah, it was a, it was a absolute.

Did you go to that same cookout afterward? No, we ended up getting lost in the sauce downtown and just kind of hung out there, had a couple meals, and then came back, watched the firework from the porch and then just kind of shut down early night in bed by 10.30. Oh, God. I love, I love going all day and then being in bed at a decent hour. That's the, it's amazing thing. Yeah, I do too, but I have a brother-in-law, Moose, who like, you know,

you have this amazing day where you've been drinking legit 11 hours and then you get home. And, and he hands me like a quadruple XL Tito's soda with Pink Whitney mixed in. I'm like, buddy, we're going Tito's and Pink Whitney. When I gave him a Pinky's up, so I got to have this with you. I got to have this with you. So next thing, you know, it's 1.30 and then the alarm's going off. And I'm like, all right, but you know what? Sometimes you got to pay the Piper in the morning for a day like the one we had. I mean, honestly, too, I got this picture of Cowboys. Like, I'll tell you right now, this is getting framed for my office. I mean, look at this kid. Look at him with the steps up to the beach. Oh, my God. America. Just a kid holds a black, man. Just a kid holding a flag.

He looks at AI. He actually is. I never told you. Brie and I, we got this six server. We built one of those farms that AI. That's what took the basement so long. We drew them up. No, it was going to be earlier, but the basement flooded. That's why we had him three years after why. He donated the water from his basement. That lemon, that legit lemon you bought.

So listen, yeah, it's yellow. You're right. So, Biz, last thing before the hockey, we know every listener knows, man, you're obsessed. You told Gavin McKenna, obsessed with Floss. fishing, dude. How did it go today? Well, first of all, bad news on that front is Gavin and

his team are out on the fishing lure. There will be no right hook. Yeah. Unfortunately. I actually saw it. Paterson put the X on that? I think it probably came from the Leafs. That's my guess. If you hadn't quit the Leafs, you might have

right hook in like, fuck. I might be an outdoorsman bass pro shop legend. Like, I might own Bass Pro Shop. What? So I'm a little disappointed. But, you know, I went down to the South Fork in Idaho and I caught. Like, I mean, look at this fucking fish I caught, boys.

Like, look at that thing. Holy, biz, dude, you can't show you hammer on this. Biz, biz, I thought you were legit about to show me a 44 inch or that. Hey, and he's holding it out. That's how you hold it out to make it look bigger. So that's way smaller. than it is. I caught our

I caught the fucking in. Hey, that's the real pinkies up. It's just that fish. Oh, hey, so is that your biggest one

you reeled in? But I caught like three or four. That was the biggest one I got all day. Wow. Hey, I go,

I go take a picture. I can't wait to show the boys on the pod. Look at how small that thing is. So little. Is that a baby?

Is that just come out of it? How are, our fish is? and eggs. I'm guessing, yeah, that egg must have just cracked. Well, you know what? No, that was the egg he missed with Pissick. Well,

the, uh, our fishing guy, the same one we had last year, Adair, what a fuck, this guy is a beauty, dude. He's got the best playlist. Me and Ross went out again, and I have a couple other buddies in town, uh, Connor and Arthur Blue. He's a local guy as well.

His dad's the corner. That's kind of fucked up, isn't it? Yeah. Like your dog. People are dying to get into that business. Yeah. Oh, Jesus. Oh,

no. Oh, no. We can recover from that. That was just a dad joke. That was just a dad joke. They actually, they were telling jokes on the raft that we were in.

Yeah, you see business fish. That was the best joke of the day. It's the same size of his hammer. I'd have to get them to retail. I'm not a really good joke teller. Yans, you're pretty good.

You remember a lot of jokes, right? No, no, no. I think it's a dying. My dad's good at it. It's a dying breed, though. Greg Ogar, we were talking about a kid that I grew up with is still hitting him. Yeah. His dad, like, we'll, like, just, like, basically stand in the grocery store and Milton,

just bang people going by him, getting their groceries. Like, boom. You ever heard the one with the priest and the rabbi? You're just like, I got to get a piece of lettuce, Mr. Ogar. He's just soliciting jokes at the fucking local grocery. Hey, Witt says he does open mic at the, uh, at the, what's it called the fruit center? He just goes there for open mic and just hits, dude, he'll hit you with the most crazy joke as you're sitting there and there's like a million people around. Yeah, yeah.

Jokes like like around a fire pit, you'd be like, oh shit. But like with like a 73 year old woman getting a fucking yo play yogurt, you're like, ah, Mr. Ogar. But a fun day nonetheless. Oh, buddy. You're out. You're listening to tunes. You're catching minos. It's the best, man.

But the funniest thing about it is like there's been like record breaking catches because. right now, like there wasn't a lot of precipitation snow this winter, so a lot of it has melted off. So a lot of the fish and the big ones were caught earlier in June. Normally like July is the big month. June was the big month. So no excuses play like a champion. I had,

but saying that, sometimes when you're doing it, the bigger ones are obviously smarter. And that was one of the things that he said today. They didn't get big by being dumb. so they know when it's like a fake lure. So they'll go up to it and look at it. And before they bite it,

if they know that it's shady, they'll fuck off. So like two or three times, there were some like nice big ones. And I was like, oh, fuck out. Obviously,

I'm not going to catch it because I'm stupid. We all would have got caught before we could walk. We would have been, oh my God. Oh, we got that Whitney kid again. Yeah.

I would have been in a diaper like the fish that fucking biz just caught. Yeah. No, that one's tough. That one was tough, boys. I thought you guys had had fun with that one.

But that is so good. Yeah, shout out to Adair. And he's actually, he works at that South Fork lodge. And that's the one that that Jimmy Kimmel owns. That's basically where you end, you end at.

But it's like a, they built like a, like a two million dollar like place where you go in. You can get all the toys that anybody can go in the area to buy from. And then the lodge that they have there specifically, specifically for the people who are staying in like the hotel slash the A frames. And Kimmel's got one there. that's like just for him and stuff like that.

But like that whole part on the Idaho side where you fish and like you, you get in the water in these little boats that they buzz you around in, it is like it's stunning. Like I have a video right now. The last thing I'll show you about it. There was like bald eagles like swooping in in their nests and stuff. Just chilling as you're going by. That's a bald eagle.

That's a bald eagle. Just chilling. And then above it. I would have wanted to see that thing get full wingspan go, you know, flying away. That would have been sick. He was like, have fun with that appetizer, Biz. There's the one on the lower tier, and then on the upper tier, there's the other one, but that one doesn't have, like, the white head yet.

So that one is maybe just the hawk or something? The only other cool thing I saw was that was golf and three creek the other day, and there was a fox, or maybe that was a coyote that went buzzing by while we were on the golf course. So that was pretty cool, too. So you get to see a lot of wildlife here as you're just like looking at the views, man. That's the Teton's right there. How far could you hit the ball up there? He's like 210.

But as far as that middle I caught? Than 190. Yeah. It's like I pounded that one. It's in the fescue short of the fairway beginning. But no, it's a blast here, man. Yeah. Get that one close.

So enough of my week and a half here in Jackson, but I'll be leaving in a couple days. It's been a great trip. And happy Canada Day and happy Fourth of July to everybody. 250 for the United States. That's a big number. Yeah, that's a big one. That's a big one.

That's a big one. Yeah, two amazing countries. We got knocked out three nothing by Morocco. Didn't realize they were such a wagon. Morocco's good. Morocco's very good. Yeah, they're solid. Do you guys want to get to hockey before we get to the USA soccer stuff?

Yeah, yeah, because that game, I think they're losing. We watched the first half and then we began this. Before this, yes, was there anything else that was funny about your time in Nantucket that like you can remember

that sticks out to you? Any funny story for the pod? Nothing too crazy, man. I got like a bunch of my nephews and nieces over the little kids. It's always just fun having them around. You know, just shit that they say.

But no, everything's been pretty tame. Like I said, my kids aren't here. So me and Kristen have been having fun. But no, hasn't really been anything crazy. Just a lot of,

you know how it is. Wait, over here and you got people, you're just kind of showing everybody a good time trying to enjoy the days with everybody. Keith and I golfed with, we golfed with Brendan Lemieux who's over here for the month of June, July. It was good to see

him and he was telling us, you know, some stories about his dad, I guess the services they had after was great. He said, Broder was there, Sackick, Wayne Gretzky, Darren McCarty had showed up and it was good to play out then. He hits the golf ball. Buddy, it's actually crazy. Like, he fucking

murders the ball. And I was funny story told about the guy who won the U.S. Open after he played with him. Yeah, he said that who was that? The guy with the beard. No, it was the players. It was, um, so he was at, whatever

course he was at, where did he say? It was a Panther National. I think so. Claude was there and Cameron Young was there. And he was hitting bunker shots, bunker shots, bunker shots. And like, Claude went over and he's like, dude, my dad's like, he,

he would say shit that I would be like cringing because he went over to be, like, give him a tip. I said it would be like like a guy walking off a men's league ice shift like grabbing like McDavid and being like hey coming out of the corner you got to try to like you got to move your feet a little bit. Find you there. It's like giving a tip to a top five golfer in the world. But but I guess Cameron Young was just talking to him and they were legit talking about bunker shots and how to hit him. And then he won the players the next week. And he said they were sitting there and his dad's like obviously he got up and down out of the bunker every time we went in one. He's like,

because I told them that tip. He's like, yeah, dad. That's unbelievable. So that cracked us up. But no, other than that, I was kind of just, like he said, very relaxing over here. But man, when that news broke, about Big Bad Danny Breyer, rocking the NHL to its core with a five-year offer sheet to Leo Carlson, which was then signed for $18 million a year. I texted the group boys and I'm not exaggerating.

I think it changed the league forever. Yep. Is that maybe a little like aggressive comment? I don't know because look at now what's going to happen. Imagine, you know who the first person I thought about was like Celebrini and and like Badaard even and all these guys coming up? And there's so many things we got to talk about with this discussion. But the main takeaway for me and this is not just me saying it, everyone's kind of rumbling around the news that Verbeek completely fucked this thing up.

This guy, I mean, what a player he was. He had built Anheim into a team where I was like, holy shit, you watch them in the playoffs this year. Like, we could be watching a complete dynasty being formed here. And the whole organization is completely hos now. Whether they don't match, whether they do match, they have to sign Gautier, they're going to have to sign Seneca. But, Biz, I'm going to throw it to you for just initial reactions about

everything. Like, going back to Verbeek, if he actually tried to lowball him and didn't try to get anything done before the offer sheet, like, we don't throw the R word out on this podcast, but that's retarded. Well, listen, also, and I should have mentioned, back to

you, Elliot said today that they offered 12 and a half, okay? And they said, like, an offer sheet's coming. So, when they offered 12 and a half, Carlson went back with Cater. I didn't know Ryan Cater, Matt's son is

we're working together now. They said 15 a year and he still said no and it's like what? Yeah. And he deserves the this is all over Twitter. Like there's Twitter feeds that recap Elliot and like what he says on his show. And that was the one I read that they went back

to like 15. By the way. No, it's like buddy we have a fucking you have an offer sheet coming. Hey, shut out. Danny B. Elliot once again. We got no hats off all summer to him. I mean, what a run and everything we talk about as far as what's breaking, what happens behind the scenes, like 99% of it's coming out of his mouth or his Twitter account or his podcast.

So obviously, like, we, we got to give them the recognition there. I am just in shock. And we talked about this, me and G, before we started recording before you guys even hopped on. Like, so Verbeek has been a little bit of a hard ass when it's come to contract negotiations. But you look at the two guys who are the main culprits of that. you look at Zegris and you look at McTavish. Okay, you know what? Given maybe the year that Zegris had before he was offered that contract,

you know, okay, I get it. I get it. Same thing with McTavish. There's a little bit left more left to be desired. These guys are not Leo Carlson. There's 15 teams in the league where Leo Carlson will probably step in next year and may probably be their best center, right? And if not, in a few years, he will be.

right now, I think it's safe to say, if you're looking at trajectory outside of Celebrini, he's the best young centerman available outside of Celebrini. I put him out of Badaard. If Chicago Blackhawks fans want to argue with me, whatever, you can argue with yourself. If they're arguing that, they've never watched them play. The fact that they went back and try to work out a team-friendly deal, which is clearly team-friendly, it's a $3 million discount, and he was probably going to offer them three more years in term.

It was probably an eight times 15. That's what I was thinking. I know. Eight times 15. So now all of a sudden you've put yourself in this situation where you've got to pay him three more million dollars and you're going to have him for three less years. And it ends when he's UFA, which is the dirtiest, most sickest part about this. I love this league, dude. It's the fucking best.

It's the best. And this kid obviously hit this period of time at the perfect time, right? Like we know the cap's going to, I think it's projected right now, not next year, maybe not the year after, but the year after that, 126 million. It might even be, I think it's 28, 29 is the year that it gets to that. So for a team like Philadelphia and many other teams who maybe aren't exactly in win mode right now, they're like, let's just solidify having our main center. Let's, in retrospect to maybe next season, the season after, overpay him. but by three years down the road, when the cap is 126, they got their first line center.

They have all these young stud wingers lined up, and it makes perfect sense for them. And the fact that Verpeak couldn't see this coming from not only Anaheim, is it reported that other teams also put in offer sheets, but they weren't as high? Remember when I texted you guys? I texted you guys the night before that somebody just told me Seattle was offering him 17 and a half.

I sent it to the group. I said, somebody just told me Seattle's offering him 17 and a half, a eight year deal on an offer or seven year deal on an offer sheet and then it was so I think there was other I don't even think. I'd rather go back to Anaheim for eight for four I think there was two

I think there was two other teams I think there was four teams maybe and the argument and the discussion that that's come from this I get all of it and there's one side of Ducks fans being like well what the fuck the guy just completely screwed our organization

like even if we match it it's like Buddy, what are you talking about? No. Now, I will say, I do get, I get a portion of that where, you know, you see the deal McDavid just took, granted, it was two years, but he kind of took a bargain before that,

if you want to be honest, and what Crosby did all the years? There is an argument for it, but, buddy, like, you get offered fucking $90 million dollars in which I think every year his salary is like $900, grand. It's all signing bonus, July 1st. He can make $39 million in his first

13 months, I believe. Wow. That's fucking insane. How are you supposed to say no to that, man? Can't. Yeah, I mean, and figure it out. And here's the thing. You get the four first round picks.

Okay, so we haven't even talked about this. I think they have to match it. Not only because Verbeek came out and said anything he gets, we will match. Because if you do that right there, it's like, all right, well, you kind of have to do it, right? You said you would. Right. You're never, what are the chances you find a guy like that? Like, with a first, I don't care about first round picks.

I was a first round pick. Look how that went. First round picks, you're not going to get a Leo Carlson, a 20-year-old 6-foot-4, 220-pound guy who's probably going to be a 95-10-point player for the bulk of his career. Yes, how does,

do you think Verbeek, it thinks that nobody's going to do it because he says whatever you offer him, we're going to match? Like, he can't possibly be that naive, right? I mean, you've got to know something's coming down, especially with all the young talent that they have at some point one of those guys are going to get offer sheeted. My thing is, like, the way that the league's going, the way that the players have more of a voice of where they want to be,

the teams that aren't on guys, you know, must want to be there. They have to go out and do things like this. So Danny B. doing this and Jonesy doing this is the best thing a team like this can do because would they get him as a UFA? Probably not, right? Like, I mean, unless in four years, they start to hummel. a little bit. And I play in Philly. You don't even get you a phase now.

Yeah, exactly. So it's like, this is how you have to, if you want to be a contending team that's going to go out there and drop your nuts on the table, you got to do stuff like that because the players are doing it on the other side. It's one of those things that if you're a GM or an owner of the team, it's time to play a different type of ball game nowadays. It's changing, like Witt said, it's changing the entire way that the NHL is going. And I love it.

Like, these offer sheets, we love, right? Like, if you're a player, you're like, this is beautiful. it's more money. You see what other teams think of you, how much respect they have for you. And then it's like, okay, hey, boys. Now it's your turn to either offer this same contract to me or I'm leaving. I think Verbeek also fucked over San Jose and he fucked over Chicago by this because the number for those two other guys just went up where. Well, that's what I wonder is this now, this can't, I don't think that can be the number for all these guys.

I mean, it can be by the letter of the law and the rules it can be. but are you going to get bent over? Is Celebrating going to be like, yeah, this is what I want now. He has the 100% right to. Or you could just offer him a deal that he would have taken the first time if they'd offered him the $15 million. We didn't even bring up yet that Verbeek, he could have done this July 1st last year.

Correct. Exactly. Like, forget the conversation the day of the offer sheet. Like, okay, you didn't, I'm pretty sure everyone watching the ducks and pro scouts and GMs were like, like, oh, this Carlson kid is going to be a problem. Everyone. So last year, now you have to, you have to do it the year before the last year of their deal.

You better get, you better sign your guy, man. You better sign your guy and you better immediately do it because at one point, it may look like a crazy number, but you're probably going to be laughing at the numbers that come in the following years for people. Yeah. And another thing, too, for Philadelphia, all of a sudden, if they somehow land him and it isn't matched, I don't think that that's going to happen. They have to.

But the amount of other guys now you could attract in free agency. Because not next summer, I believe it's the summer after. That is when there's a lot of guys up. And when I say a lot of guys, I mean like those Aquarenskies, the Austin Matthews, the Connor McDavid's, like all the absolute big dogs, the big swinging dicks of the league. You want to think that this is a revolutionary contract. You wait till some of those start popping. So agreed.

The snowball has started at the top of the mountain. and it's going to be snow plowing Verbeek and other GMs and owners over. But Verbeek is known, I mean, I don't know him at all. He's known as a hard negotiator, right? But it's like at some point when you have all these young, talented guys, you've got to realize that it's going to come right down the pipe. And sure shit, it did, man. You can't do it.

There's a couple guys you can do it too. There's a couple guys you can't. Obviously, there's always going to be a back and forth, but you can't, like, so. my other thing would be is like so merles was saying he goes man like he's a swede like he's a type of guy who would just fall in line so like you're saying if last summer they would have said hey how about eight years at 12 million the deal that the deal that they offered him now after not having to prove it for a full season then maybe i see him accepting it so boom you just saved yourself six six million bucks right i bet the pa made him it's one of those things whether if he wanted to stay in anaheim like as the union reps and all that, like, you need to say yes to that. Jesus saying he said last year he would have accepted $9 million. I never saw that anywhere.

That was a quote from like a paper, like an article he got asked. And like he was just, I think obviously his agent was probably behind the scenes being like, yeah, no. Yeah. But once again, eight times 12, 13, that seemed to be a very fair number. Now, if you do get offer sheeted, something like that. And I know that if her beak was being a bit of a hard nose and it was being dumb about, the situation that you would probably be like, screw you, I'm going to sign it.

You think there's a world where you could say, before I sign that, go back to Anaheim and say, give me eight times 15 now where I'm signing this offer sheet? I wonder if that's like allowed or is that. But I think he might have done that. I think that's basically what he did. I don't know if he knew it was 18 a year that was coming. But like after the call he went back and said, give me eight times 15. Maybe he did know it was 18.

I would do anything to be on these phone calls with Burbique and his agent right now. You're saying, I was told that's exactly what happened, that they did know about the offer sheet. They went back to the doc said, hey, give us one more offer. We have something in our back pocket here. I don't think they told them it was 18, but when they went back to it, it was like, hey, we have something here just to let you guys know,

and they still lowballed them. Crazy. There you go. Now, here's what's nuts. And part of how Philly did this, was, and they got that Comcast money, right? Like, you're fucking laughing with that. Top five richest teams, probably.

So the Ducks don't give out. Samueli, as the owner of the Ducks, they don't have signing bonuses on these contracts. So, like, Lecombe has no, it's just salary. The only signing bonus on there, I think, is Chris Crider, whose deal came from New York. So that was another thing to be like, hey, we're giving them this 18 times five,

but it's also fucking 97% in bonuses that the Samueli's definitely, they do for a reason. They don't do that. obviously. And now they got an $18 million bonus July 1 this year and another $18 million bonus. This guy could even go on his yacht July 4th because you've got to fucking sign Leo Carlson to an offer sheet. But I saw this tweet. I wanted to read this because it was interesting because a lot of the

the discourse of like, wow, this guy does not want to be a doc. Like this is bullshit. So the tweet, the original tweet was um, it was by Sean Martin 23. I don't know. It says after sleeping on this Carlson offer sheet, here's my take. There are two types of players in this league. Carlson, who goes out and wants big money, then there's McDavid, who deserves a blank check, who took less money to help Edmonton's cap situation to go out and build the winning team. But listen, the reply to this tweet is what got me, BK hockey talk. McDavid signed for 16.6% of the cap on his first big deal. That was the

eight times 12 or 12 and a half. He took a two-year discount and we'll sign another huge contract in two years. Carlson just signed for 17.3% of the cap. The revisionist history's got to stop. So it's like, buddy, based on the cap and where it's going, 18 million, it's not what it sounds like now in a couple of years. It's just different. And the whole fact is that I think he would have loved if Anaheim gave him this deal. He probably loves being there. The funny thing was he dropped a video on July 4th of him skating in Sweden doing stick handle moves with his duck's jersey on, which I got to kick out because it may be a Flyers uni soon. But the Flyers, fuck. Now it's like, hey, who's coming after more Martone?

but Danny B, I'm guessing, we'll have him signed after next season. And you think he's going to want to leave if he gets a chance to play with Leo Carlson all of a sudden now? Exactly. Who is there who is their tops? I mean, now you got Couturier, who just had the big year there who came over? Forrester? No, he's a winner. Segris was there one C before.

Yeah, yeah, but he gets now he gets bumped down. I was to think of the Devorak, where now Devorak, who's a true third-line center, like he fits in perfectly. So I wouldn't, I wouldn't mind if it actually went down. I wish the players could say no. Like if Anaheim did match it, I wish they could choose. Well, that's straight up UFA. Right. Let me ask you this question.

Can you now, if you're Anaheim, can you trade him? Here's the thing. If you sign an offer sheet. Oh, yeah. If he signs with Philly and Anaheim doesn't match, Philly can trade him right away. But if Anaheim decides to match the offer, they can't trade him for a year. Okay.

Wow. Okay. So he's not like you would obviously or either team would. But what about like what about now while it's in limbo and they have a chance to decide? No, because he's a free agent right now. He's not with anyone right now. He's technically with Philly right now. Well, no, but he's restricted though.

Right. Elliot mentioned on 32 thoughts that that Carolina was planning to do that. Carolina was planning to offer sheet someone just to bring them in to then trade them because you could get more on the return than the original offer sheet. So all case. That doesn't mean it was like a guy you were going to be paying $12 million and given up four first. It could have been like one of those ones that. I think it was Mityakov.

I think it was it was going to be Mittenyukov. They were going to offer sheet him for around that $7, $8 million, which I think is like a first, second and third, and then you can flip him probably for more than that. And has he received an offer sheet? No, he signed. No, he just signed. But he was going to get one. Oh, God. And then we're going to trade him back.

Then there was, there was Minyakov's got one coming. I imagine for Beek sitting there. What the fuck is going on? The trap is coming in. Elliot said that the original offer was the same as Zellwiger, which was three by three. They heard the, they heard the rumor of the offer sheet and then signed him for Brant Clark's deal, which was 7.5 or something. Yeah, that's good for him.

I just, yeah, I just don't know how or why Verbeek managed it like that. And I would love to get him back on. I won't use the R word when he's back on. But my God, he kind of put them at a bit of a jam here. And the fact that they went back to them and they still lowballed them. Like, clearly, like, there's the NHL that the fans know. And then there's like the real NHL of the shit that's happening behind the scenes. Like there's, is there tampering going on?

absolutely. Do I give a fuck? No. Do some of these hardcore fans? Maybe. But it would have been easy for him to know exactly what the number that was going to be coming at Carlson was. The fact that if he wasn't even willing to go eight times 15, even like, even knowing that that was coming 16 million and

explaining to your owner, hey, here's another thing too, man. Maybe Verbeek's landing on the sword and him offering that was the most that the owner was willing to go. Very true. We haven't even talked about. Very true. He might be taking a bullet here right now. Very true.

And if it's that owner, then fucking. But he's got to come out and say that because the fans are going to want for Beeks head on a stick. They have to match it, boys. You get a player like that. You get a guy who is looking like a, I mean, in the playoffs, he was a complete superstar. Now, he hasn't gotten to that other level points wise, but I think he's so young. He's played two, what does he play?

Three years in the first year and even play half the games. Yeah, there's in and out. You got to match it. You're going to match it and you got to figure it out. And, but boys, it crippled the docks. It crippled them. And then Mityakov gets that money. And then they got to sign Gauthier.

I heard Gauthier is like, yeah, see you guys in January when he left. Like, God knows what he's going to want. That's a joke. But I, and then Seneca is Seneca's coming. So they were so set up. And if everyone was signed at the right time or had agreed to take the right dollar, you're laughing, and now it's like, holy shit, this kid is so rich and he's going to be

a UFA when he's 26 years old. So, oh my God. So will they have to, if Anaheim does match, is it the same exact structure with the signing bonus? Same everything. That's why the Comcast money jams people up. Comcast. Boys, I think you have, come cast.

I think that the league changing forever is like, what's to stop GMCAST? what's to stop somebody from Offer and Badaard 19 and a half right now on an offer sheet? And then it's like, did you see his last summer skate? I mean, I hope he's okay from that, by the way.

I'm guessing. He's an unbelievable player, but if you give him 18 million, you're out of your fucking mind. I'll tell you that. He should. If Carlson's getting offered 18, the max, if Chicago wants to sign him to an eight-year deal,

he should be making $15 million. But there's some people who think that Badard's a bigger name, better player. Then Carlson? Last year before he got hurt, I mean, you could really make that argument. He did have a great start. The size factor's a lot different.

You think about playoff hockey. But I'm more saying like, okay, you offer team something, you offer a guy something on an offer sheet, and then you're like basically thinking, well, there's no way they won't match, but then the team matches, you just completely cripple the team.

Like GMs could start to try, to bury teams. You nailed it. That's another reason as a GM why I would do it. It's like, I want that player, but if I can't have them, I want you playing a premium so your depth your debt suffers. That's the game

that I'm surprised that the GMs haven't been playing more of. Wouldn't you be doing more of that against teams in your division and in the East and stuff like as opposed to Team O West? As G said, if you genuinely already have a, it's weird that he's

that the the like a team already had a deal in place to like provide more than that they they were essentially giving up for the offer sheet it's like well why didn't the other team just offer she them then like maybe they didn't want to be the bad guy or maybe it was his buddy for some reason i agree with you yans maybe do it a little bit more in division but ultimately it's going to come back come down to like listen is this a player that we think can change our franchise are we willing to come off of four first rounders for them like and if you're philett Belphia, you're thinking, well, once we get them, we're going to be, even if, even if they're a Cusp team and they don't make playoffs in year one, like, you're still not getting that good of a draft pick. You're getting, you're getting 10 to 10 to, between 10 to 20 in picks. Like nothing game changing like Leo Carlson. How many teams do you think wish, and I don't even know if Barkie was like in the same situation, but wish that they offered him an offer sheet eight years ago. Like when you see these guys what they turn into, they bring him with Stanley Cups, you know,

Dude, I think, I think it was for a long time. It was just like so taboo of like, hey, if I bury someone, I could get buried. And it's like, I don't know. This has become so cutthroat and this money has become so insane that it's going to have to be just, hey, I'm on my own here. It's me and my staff and fuck everyone else. Does that work? I have no idea. But I think in the past, it's been like kind of a gentleman's agreement here.

Like, don't bury me. And it was more of the old boys club too where all these guys were all like, buddy. buddy and it's a little different now the guys that are coming in there's you also got like the Tulskis the Chikas you're the mad scientists you got the sunny medas yeah I'll never be in the old boys club anyway so fuck him here's your arm

but the final way I'll put it for the ducks is that you have you have the best player on your team a true number one center which what is their biz 15 of them in the league you could go through the list so you either lose him and your team's

worse or you pay him to become the highest paid player in the league for a little while before some other guys signed and your team keeps getting a little better and better and better hopefully. It's a no-brainer. I think it's a no-brainer. I think you fucked it up and now you've got to pay the Piper on matching it.

Why wouldn't they have signed it already then? I don't know. I don't know. I think because they're probably figuring out how the rest of the money is going to work and how they're going to snap it around. So not only did either A, the owner being so cheap and not okaying a bigger deal for B to get it locked in or Verbeek completely being unaware

or what the fuck is going on with how the league is working and how these offer sheets and we knew one was coming to Leo Carlson. Like it's a colossal fuckup and they're going to pay the piper for it. It's going to make their team worse.

And these GMs, man, you just have to be aware of these situations. Like you have to get the... It's the same reason Demadov just got nine after playing two years. The same reason. because if he goes and does what Leo does and all of a sudden they got to pay him 12, 13.

And he really only played one year. He burnt two years, but remember, he came in with like five games to go. Correct. Yeah. And then this year was great. And then all of a sudden next year he lights it up. It's like, Ken Hughes is like, no, no, no, no, no. And I love that deal, by the way. Any good, any good player right now, like the Jack Hughes

contracted. Some of these guys are making eight times eight. It's like, this deal just made you look at it and be like, what the fuck? And Larkin now, Larkin is like, he's making what? What does he make? Nine, eight, eight and eight and change, like almost nine. So it's like, wait a minute. I just, I'm not fucking giving this guy away for,

I wasn't giving him away for anything I didn't love before. Now, if you got centers making $18 million, yeah, I don't know. This is just, it just changed the market. It's so good. The PA was probably popping bottles. Oh, yeah. Like, Marty Walsh and Hainesie,

just ripping it up in a room. Like, holy fuck. We're only going up from here. boys. But a crazy day in the NHL. So we had a lot of other things kind of go down, boys. A lot of other things. Robertson has filed for arbitration.

We mentioned this briefly last week. This Jason Robertson, I'm so confused, boys. I'm so confused. I think he's being a bit of a headline hog right now. I know, but I think he just wants a contract. Just paying a guy. Am I?

I think he's playing hardball for what they did to him. time. He sat out till, I think it was right before training camp or maybe during training camp. I think I said last episode, like he shouldn't make more than Ronton and I get it. But at some point, just trade him figure out. Now he's going to arbitration. So I don't really, I don't know what's going on there. I don't know what Dallas has planned. I don't, I mean, obviously they had the Werenski deal that then got Nix will get into that. But the Robertson thing filing for arbitration, what the hell would he get in arbitration? He just had 98 points. What's the highest deal ever given out an arbitration?

That's a hell of a question. You Google that. Something we should have research before hopping on. I mean, usually they get settled before. Usually they get settled before that, which I think this will, too. It has to be done by what Sunday, I believe? What, to file? Yeah, like that that's when the arbitration is.

Shea Weber, 2011, a 7.5 million. with the predators. On what, one year deal? Or was it like a long-term deal, does it say? One-year deal, I believe. I think it can only be a one-year deal, right? Yeah, usually that's how it goes. The predators made him go to arbitration.

No, I think that that was probably the- Verbeek was the GM. That was probably the bridge deal. Yeah, exactly. He was the consultant. Was that? Because then he got offer-sheeted, I believe, from Philly, right? Yeah, he got Philly offer-sheeted.

Yeah. The Philly has done this in the past. Okay, Philly. Yeah, Philly Savage. I did want to bring up actually this, the offer sheet since 2010. Yarmelsson, I forgot. That's another one.

Yarmulson signed one with the, with the sharks, the Blackhawks matched it. It was right after the Blackhawks won their first cup. Shea Weber matched by the predators, the Flyers. Ryan O'Reilly got one from the flames, the avalanche matched.

Ajo got one from the Canadians, the Hurricanes match. So then the Hurricanes got back at the Canadians by offering, Coken. Oh, yeah, they really got them back. Canadians go, yeah, take them, bud. Broberg and Holloway, the Oilers obviously did not match. Good move there. And then we got Barrett Hayton.

So that's a story where New Jersey offered him a one-year deal at four and a half. Where do we think Robertson ends up? A lot of people are saying Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's got a ton of cap space. I don't think they've done a lot of work yet. They didn't re-sign Ryan Shea. Manta's gone. Manta's gone.

That's still available. I think the fact that that Robertson's brother ended up in Pittsburgh, it kind of seems maybe the bros want to play together. They got the money. Robertson's maybe not happy with Dallas and how they're treating him. But listen, like as many regular season points as Robertson got as good of a playoff performer as he is, I don't know if I'm, are you paying him 14, 15 million bucks? Like are you? I think the old $12 million

Martin Merton and McKinnon McDavid number is fucking now that. It's gone. You can't look at it like that anymore. Are you as a GM paying Robertson, 15 million? Really?

Why not? Why not? I mean, he's doing it every year. Because I only want to pay centers that much money. Okay. And number one defenseman. I don't want to pay Winger's huge dough. Agreed.

I don't want to do it. I think you win through the middle. You win a net, which I also don't want to give goalies big money either. So maybe I'm completely fucking this statement off. But I want to pay number one TEN, number one centers. Since 2020, he's 10th in the league and goal scoring. Like, that's fucking something to be said. Yeah, he's a sniper. He's a sniper. He's a fucking goal scorer. You need to, you need to pay these guys money. And it's not like Dallas. I mean, I don't know what they have in the minor league, but they're losing guys. Well, they had that Maverick Bork and he got a great deal.

on the move over to Nashville he was coming up through the minors obviously Wyatt Johnson's so young I think Wyatt Johnson's one of those eight times eight where these guys are like what the fuck happened last two year now for beak offer

your beak offer she's him five five I cut you off because I just want to know what you guys' opinion on was where Robertson was going where would you say you think he stays in Dallas I think he does I like your Pittsburgh take I think the brosane broil is, I mean, as you've been saying. But, yeah, I think he stays in.

I just don't see a world. Like, how can you let him go? I don't understand it. Like, you lost Stankhoven, who just went and won a Stanley Cup. Yeah, you have Wyatt Johnson, but you need goal scoring to win in this league. And he does that year in, year out. I know, but like I said last week, they're not winning. Something's off there.

They need to switch something up. You think Neil lost his fastball? No, I think Neil might have lost his fastball. and our fucking num-nut dickhead producers decided to put his picture next to fucking Bonnie Blue when we were talking about the born star on the YouTube fucking headline picture. Poor guys got 19 Stanley Cops

and he's fucking on a YouTube thumbnail with Bonnie Blue. That was my birthday thumbnail. Those are the dark days of biz bringing up Bonnie Blue fucking 10 times an episode. She was supposed to jump out of my cake at my party, but she canceled last minute. Thank God.

I should also mention, I didn't, did forgot with the Robertson thing, I forgot to say that if he sign, if he, going to arbitration makes sense, because if he gets a one year deal, he's then UFA. So maybe he's just like to,

just give me another one year deal. And he'll get 15 or 16 on a one year deal. Oh yeah, because he'll get 40 goals next year, 95 points again. No, he's saying from arbitration. No, I'm saying arbitration now. They're probably going to look at what,

what it is and where the number and where the cat's going. No, I don't think you can, I don't think you can look at, um, how does that you, Oh, no, you can't look at UFA? You can't look at one type of contract with arbitration, and I'm thinking it's UFA because you're RFA, and Carlson was RFA, so yeah, maybe that actually helps him a ton.

He's probably exercising every possibility in right he has right now to then eventually land what he gets. They played hardball with him. Why can't he do it? I agree. No, no, it's just, it's just, I just meant at the beginning, it's been so long. It's been so long about this.

like Robertson trade at Robertson on the market. It's like, what's going? The guy keeps scoring and scoring and scoring. Where's Robertson going? I don't know, but maybe sign them. That's the one thing. Like some people who are listening,

especially Stars fans who like have his back because of how clutch. And like you look at sometimes when they, they aren't playing so well in playoffs, he's always the guy that steps up. The fact that he's done this through all the quote unquote bullshit that he's had to deal with and not getting the loyalty and love from Dallas, And then they go out and give rotten in a fucking $12 million deal before they ever signed him to one. And I know that they've offered him that now.

I think he's just kind of taken out his vengeance on the owner's budget. Yeah, dude, you look at their roster right now. Like, they need him. And not only did they not need him next year, they need him for the next 10 years. Like, there's no reason why he shouldn't be signed for a long-term extension. Because he would have said yes to some of the trades that were being offered, right? if he wanted to go somewhere else. I bet he wants to stay there and he's trying to get as much as he can,

which you got to respect it. Respect. Respect. You were saying something else with after when we, right as we were moving on from Robert. I'm reading. I'm reading. The Barrett Hayton.

Yeah, I'll get to that in a minute. I kind of saved a bunch of tweets as that Carlson News broke because there were so many good or funny ones. The other one was Professor Hawke. So this idea that Celebrini will take a massive. discount on his first big contract because he's, quote, cut from the same cloth as Crosby, seems to overlook the fact that Crosby signed for 15.3% of the cap on his first deal, the equivalent of a deal right now that Cellebrini would sign for 17.4 a year.

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Nobody really knows, buddy. obviously it came out based on the godfather Elliot that he vetoed a trade to Dallas. Now, obviously, that means that he had told Columbus something, right? There was there was rumblings that he had said to them at the end of the year. Now, mind you, we don't know any of this is what's true and what's not, but that he had said he won't be resigning after his deal ends, which is two more seasons. So then they start talking to teams on where he wants to go.

I think they assume he wants to go to Dallas. they trade him to Dallas. All of a sudden, he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is as the news had broken that Werenski was wanted out and all this. And all of a sudden, dude, there's smoke everywhere for him. And I don't know if he's seeing everything. Oh, yeah. There was a phone call.

The old clip of Linae, when Linae kind of insulted the team, I think he'd moved on to Montreal at that point where Rerenski was like, like, basically like, oh, if you don't want to be here and you're not down with here, we don't want you here. And like he backed up Columbus and the cannon. And then it comes out that they ended up having a meeting with Waddell and Judd. Can I tell you, can I tell you what my theory is on all this? Of course.

Yes. My theory is, is that Super Agent Judd, who runs the league, he's like, you know what, I want Rivensky playing in Toronto, considering all the unbelievable things that they have going on with Gavin McKenna, Boerovsky. And maybe at that point Bob hadn't signed yet, but he probably knew because he's a super agent, he knows everything.

And then getting Gavin McKenna, Bieber's calling out Matthews to drop the welcome message to Gavin McKenna. I think that Judd wanted to cultivate one of the super teams in the league. And all of a sudden, Werensky's just trying to, you know, get his buns and his hot dogs ready for July 4th.

And he's like, what the fuck is going on on Twitter? Yeah. He checked Twitter for fun, like to check the, like, the fucking score of the Detroit Tigers. Joey chestnuts. And all of a sudden he's got death threats from Columbus. And he's like, John. I'm a big Warrensky guy. And I'm a big Warrensky guy.

He had the greatest shot in Sandbagger history to extend a match. I love him. But I think this is a selfish move on his part to not help create another super team. I'll leave it at that. Well. Yeah, in Toronto. In Toronto. G put in the outline, like, where does Werenski play this next year?

At this point, I think it's for sure Columbus. Yeah. I think they came out with team and player statements. Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, everyone. Like, I like being here. Like, obviously just trying to put out this fire. But Jud is so good at his job. I could see, like, Judd, he kind of does run the league a little bit.

But he's got all these superstars. And he's figuring out what he wants to do and where guys. guys want to go and I'll get this done for you. And then all of a sudden, I guess Wrenzke's like, I don't really want to go to Dallas and boom, because the guy, there was a trade done. And then it goes back to Nill. Now Nill's going to go to Harley and like, yeah, buddy, sorry

about that. That's a part of this, you don't think. Like Harley signs a huge deal there and then he finds out I'm being traded to Columbus. Oh, wait, Wrenski said, no, oh, I'm going back. Like, it's a little awkward. Yeah, but it's also fly, it's like, flattering to be traded

for a guy who just won the Norris as it's Like it's one of those things you're like, oh, okay. I mean, at least they think of me as a high return. But yeah, I think it's a good way to look at it. I think it's one of those things where I think Judd did it without him saying, without him even asking for the ski. I'm on your age. He had a couple glasses of red wine.

He's like, I'm going to fucking send a text to Waddell right now. Hey, fuckface. A number eight doesn't want to play there anymore. Shoot that candle up your ass and trade them to the Leafs. And if you ask for knives back, I'll have your job removed. bitch how do you guys think the call what do you think what do you think what do you think i was like buddy if whenever i get a call from judd i put it on speaker and i'm like this is i'm in the car oh it's already on the peer i'm like i'm gonna get 30 minutes

of some unbelievable stuff man stuff i never repeat on here obviously no but like the way he talks and how confident in his ability is i'm amazing fucking love it so picturing him on the phone with gms i'm like oh my god like this guy he don't give a fuck. He cares about one thing and it's the client he's talking about and that's it. And I think that's really what you want as a player like this agent

he's going to bat for me and as he says to maybe don't want him cultivating trades that you don't want that would be want yeah but hey that but at the end of the day he's trying to go above and beyond for his client after a couple glasses of red. Also helping his other

client Matthews that's what I mean that's the main guy It was a double whammy. It was a double whammy. So Werensky, I think he's, I think he stays in Columbus for two more years. No, my prediction is, is he's going to be Quinn Hughes. They're going to start the year. They're going to start the year.

They're not going to be in a playoff spot. And, and, and, I think Columbus is, I think Columbus is, I think Columbus is, I think Columbus is coming. I think bones that postseason game 82 press conference, I, a fantilly could have a big time. By the way, Fantilli could get off her sheet. They say it every year. That's the Blue Jackets complaints.

Every year it's the year. Was I reading a burner account or maybe Judd's burner account? Did I hear that Marchenko is not resigning there after he's done or is there rumblings? I feel like somebody sent that to us. Apparently he was, there was like a deal for him to Montreal like with a huge return. And they didn't want to do it, Columbus. So if it was. Marcheco is nasty.

If I'm Columbus, okay, and I agree with you, like you think with Bones' end of the year's statement, which, listen, we were joking around about the judge stuff, maybe the fact that the coach saying that in the postseason press conference, Werenski, fresh off of gold medals, like, am I really going to burn my prime years in a, with a team where we had to trade coaches because we can't even get guys that are motivated enough to come to the rink and win and make playoffs, and we can't get out of this rut? Like, I love a lot of things about Columbus. I want them to win. Like they're that like the underdog organization that no matter how many games are winning in the season,

the fans are still showing up packing that building and make it a rowdy environment. But if they're sitting like 12 spot in the division and you're halfway through the season, you have to think, guys, it's clear that Werenski's probably not going to resign here. Like it's clear. Let's get the best possible return. And guess what? If it is the Leafs, I know there was rumblings on the fact that there were, no, boys, you're laughing, but their name came up.

Yeah, no, I know. That is, if he went there at the number that he's making and they don't have to send back Nyes, if that's the case. And that was one of the rumblings that was happening on Twitter. The same rumblings that were saying that Bobrovsky was going to sign with the Leafs, that everybody was like, oh, yeah, Bobrovsky's going to sign up with the Leafs. So what I'm saying, if they're able to make that return, the Leafs are like a top three team in the East.

They are, would you not call them somewhat of a super team if they ended up getting Werencki? And obviously, if that is the case, Riley's coming off the books as well to fit him in. So they're, I would say that they're a top three destination if Zach Werenski ends up getting traded. Now, the realistic trade, if that is the case, if they can get back Nyes and you know that he's not coming back, do you make that trade? Yeah, but what knows he's not coming back? How do you know that he would sign in Columbus?

Oh, in Columbus, yeah, yeah. He's already signed. Werensky, or excuse me, Nize, I believe, does not have a no move, at least in the first few years of his deal. So he doesn't have a say in this. So if you're a team that knows you're losing, your number one D man, Zach Werencki, and you know you can shell a huge return.

I guarantee, the Leafs are in win now mode, man. Like, they got to do everything they can to impress Austin. You're laughing because this is turning into a Leafs thing, but stop laughing. Can you agree with me that they were the frontrunner to land him considering he nixed

the Dallas trade? Do you not think that judge was, concocting? No, yeah. I'm guessing that that was a place he said he'd go to. but like the Leafs don't yeah they don't have first rounders coming up I'm but I'm telling you though if you're going back to the Quinn use situation if you can get back nice who's locked up for another power forward and get you 30 goals who's making seven just under seven and a half million dollars you make that deal halfway through the year if you're not in a playoff spot and he's saying

hey guys it's time for me to move on Yeah, and you could probably get something else, too, although they just don't have. He's going to be Quinn Hughes if they're not in a playoff spot next year. I know we're saying, oh, he wants to stay there, that everything got squash and we're all good now. If that team's losing halfway through the year, he's the next Quinn Hughes. And he has every right to do that, too, because what he's done for that organization has been incredible. But I honestly think he could be one of those guys, and I don't know him like that, but he could be one of those guys who says, oh, I want to play here the rest of my life.

Like in this statement, it was like, I talked to my wife. She wants to be here. I want to be here. Like, it could just be a good fit for them as a family. But does Judd want to be there? That's true. That is fucking true. Well, you mentioned Bobrovsky and he signs a three-year deal with Toronto.

Yeah, I was surprised. I was more surprised because then the news breaks. So then Florida decides, all right, we're going to go with Markstrom. Markstrom was in Florida. I was there with him. You know, I was in the miners with him. but he got called up at the end of the year, a super prospect at the time,

and has really, like, I think he's inconsistent. When he's on, he's incredible. When he's off, it's kind of ugly. And the Panthers talk about a super team. They're loaded, and now they're like, all right, we're going with Markstrom. Bob's gone.

I don't understand why they didn't resign Bob. You know, his regular season wasn't great, but look how much he's played. I just thought they'd keep riding this thing. They got two with them. Why don't you give him a three, year deal, whatever he wanted. I don't know if they had the cap space, but I just

thought Bob would stay there. I think he was asking for that money, though. I think he wanted, I think, I think they wanted him to stay there. But I think he was asking for the money that he got. What do you get? Seven million bucks. You got three years 21. Yeah, they couldn't afford that. And it's kind of one

of those things. It's like, if you're not going to help us out, then you got to go, right? Like, I don't know. Bob, his first couple years in Florida was He was the worst contract in the league. It was shit constantly. It was always talked about. It was always talked about like I would have figured he would have been like, you know what? I wasn't great the first three years here. Let me give you guys a bargain deal and let's try to fucking win one or two before the end of my deal. I can sign for three, four million bucks. We can maybe even bring in another guy. But I think it's just a money

thing that happened down there and you know, you see what happened. I thought I had heard he was going out to L.A. I guess this one makes sense. Maybe he was pissed that they wouldn't give him the money that he wanted. And he's like, you know what? Fuck it. I'm staying in the east. And you're going to see me a couple times a year. That's crazy.

I, like you talk about seven in Toronto. You're telling me that you're telling me a four-year deal at five and a half. Can't get that done. No shit. They gave Goudas a six-year contract. They gave Marcia a six-year contract. Just do what you do.

Make it seven years at fucking three million bucks a year. I don't understand it. I don't understand it. I agree with you, Jans, you guys too, saying like the front part of when they got him and when he signed it,

he wasn't very good. Like, Alex Lyon got him in a fucking playoff so he could actually turn his career around and show that he can play in playoffs. Then he bangs off two in a row. Like, I just,

I would, I would love, love to see that group chat. Like, do they have to remove Bob from the group chat how does that work how does that work keith i was never we never had them do do do they leave or does a player just remove them no i think you i mean anytime i've been on me you just say see you boys and then you're out you remove yourself how do you say if you're bob how do you say bye like

that i would be like hey i pranked you two years ago i fucking pranked you three months ago fuck you piece out i'm bye because like you just mentioned it like look at all these guys who essentially lowered their AV to just take longer deals to just make it all work with that group. To just cheat the cap completely. Which is fine. I don't give a shit. Circumcised whatever the fuck you want. Chop it off.

But do you think that you think he's able to get back to the level he was at at his age? You think he essentially needed this challenge in order to prove that he could do it somewhere else? I think he's one of the hardest

working players I've ever played with. never mind goalies players I've ever played with I don't think he'll have any I mean he might have he might start off a little bit slower because it's a new team new system they do everything differently but he he's one of those guys man he works his fucking ass off every single like day in day out so I don't I don't imagine him aging like other guys do I think the goaltending position you can play a little bit older if you take care of yourself like that like you look at guys like flower played late luongo played late like some of these high end hall of fame guys they play long into their, you know, late 30s, early 40s. So I think he's got the, the mental, you know,

state of the game to do it as long as he wants. It's just one of those things. Like, I truly think him signing in Toronto was a fuck you to Florida for not giving him what he wanted. Because I think it, but he made, he's made before this deal, 120. Fucking beautiful. And you're telling me, like, you won the two cups there. Like, you have your house in Florida. And you have to go somewhere by and Another seven to ten million. Did we know what they offered him? Did that come out, G? I thought I had heard maybe $5 million for a year or two, but I mean, how can you not take that?

I know. And is Judd his agent? No. No. You'd think. But 120, you get the two cups. You're in Florida. It's Juddanov.

It's a guy in Russia. If I were to hopped off the wagon and they would have got Bob and got Worenski without hopping off of Nyes. Oh. I would have no shoelaces. I would have no shoelaces. But you'd have a little tiny fish to grill tonight. I would. I'd have a little fish stick.

Okay, but back to Florida. So Florida, they got Marky now. And they have the rest this year. They have Brady. They have a legitimate super team. And they got Goudis as a goalie too. And Goudis is a goalie. But it's like, wow, they're just,

they're throwing it all on the table with Marky. That's, I think it's a little risky. Now, they can be looking at it and like, buddy, we watch the devil's play. They give up fucking grade A chances all night long. We're going to be like lock it down. You'll be making 22 saves giving us three, two victories. Maybe that's the thought. And is Rob Talas still the goalie coach there?

Yeah. Okay, so he was there when I was there. The best. When Hartki was there. So maybe he's saying. Maybe he's familiar with him, yeah. He's saying something like, hey, I love this guy.

He's got crazy skill. Yes, inconsistent, but we can win with him. But that was interesting. Jersey moves on from him. I'm interested to see if Markey can kind of get over that mental hurdle, like in a sense of like, like, yeah, like I love him. He's an elite goalie, you know, and extremely well liked, which will help integrate him into that locker room even easier,

although he probably knows, like he probably knows five, six of the guys already that he's already played with down there. I'm pretty sure Barkie was there when he, first got there. Eki. Who? Eki was there. Kulakov was probably there in his first stint.

But, but, but, but like what I'm saying, if I'm looking and I'm at a roundtable, if I'm saying, hmm, would I rather have Bob at that number in trusting a guy who's been there, done it, and the hardest worker in the league? Or am I going to trust this guy who like, like, like, Markey's never brought anyone to the dance, right? Like, he's never done that as a starting goaltender. That's what he's going to have to do. I watched him do it in the HL with the Utica Comets,

and he was tremendous, right? And then that's what kind of propelled his NHL career again, going to Vancouver and playing well there. So it's a little bit of a risky move in a sense of like we've never seen the ceiling for Markstrom. We already saw it with Bob. Why wouldn't you at least try to come close and then just jack up the term? So let's say, Zito has made in that organization,

have made so many unbelievable decisions to get where they are. let's see if this is one of them. But this could also be a classic overthink when it's like you have an elite world class future Hall of Fame goaltender that you disrespected and now he's playing on another super team up north.

And they had the goalie that just won the Stanley Cup. And they put him on waivers. Yeah. Okay, the goalie coach. I want to bring in Pasha first. Heeshire gets done. That's a great deal.

You love Hichshir. You never wanted to trade. sure I respect you on that. You love the guy. I love that contract last week. Now with everything that's happened, I really fucking love. I agree. That's one that that's one that's like, holy shit, after the Carlson thing. But my question would be,

so it's Jake Allen and Nico Dawes? Like, is that, that's what you're going on? Yeah, I don't know. Listen, this whole, like, you went from a, you know, you had your starting goalie. And in the last few years, it's a one two punch. Now you got the one, two, three combo. You saw Carolina run it. Looks like your Evanton Oilers might be, doing the same. Listen, it couldn't get worse than it was last year with Markey. And I agree. I think Marky's going to do great in Florida. I wish him all the best. As you know, the Panthers are my second

favorite team. So I hope he does great for every game unless they're playing the Devils, which I think you will. But yeah, I mean, it couldn't be worse than it was with Marky last year. And, you know, injuries aside, the Devils did decently when they had, you know, relative health. So I think, I think the platoon system will be okay for them. They let go of Dave Rolski, who was their goal-tending coach for a long, long time, and Devils fans were kind of calling for his head for quite a while. So I think changing that position will help out a lot.

It's kind of seen like every goaler that went to the devil started struggling. So, yeah, listen, it's far from a sure thing, but I'm cautiously optimistic. Okay. And now take me through the Barrett Hayton. It's just kind of a random one-year deal offer sheet where I think they don't have to give.

Yeah, this was... It's sunny touching his toe in the water. And then watch next year the year after he's going to be coming in hot with these fucking... So you're a big fan of him, Keith? I love Sonny. Yeah. Great guy. Okay. Yeah, he seems like the man. I love what he's done. So apparently there was a deal in place of the draft due to a trade, a handshake deal

for Hayton to be traded to the Devils. And Utah backed out at the very last second. So apparently Sonny was pissed about that. And he this offer sheet's very conniving. There's layers to it. Because now, first of all, it was basically for like one penny. less than what like the next tier of compensation picks would have to be. But also if Utah, everyone's like, oh, it's a one year thing like Utah is going to match. But if Utah matches, as you discussed earlier, they can't trade them for one year, which will walk him right to free agency, which most likely they'll lose him to free agency.

So, I mean, I could see this going both ways. It's cutthroat. It's cutthroat. And, you know, a bit of vengeance there. And I love to see it. I love Sonny kind of just showing up. He backed out of a trade too. Like, it's not like he's not doing it.

He's not doing it unprovoked. Exactly, exactly. And I love to see that sort of pettiness, that bloodthirstiness, whatever it takes to win. Sonny wasn't even there for that trade. No, no, at the draft this year. Oh, at the draft, though. I thought you said the deadline, sorry. Yeah, no, at the draft.

So Barrett Hayton, that's a John Chica disciple. Biz, I wanted to ask you quickly about Barrett Hayton. So fifth overall pick, I think, eight years ago. Two years ago, he had 20, two years before that, he had 19. in between both years, like, injured and not, like, is there something left to be desired there? He's a big guy, right? Which the devils need that.

Yeah. Yeah. So he's got size. I think he's deceptively fast. Maybe he doesn't look at because of the way his stride is. He has a very unique release. Like, he's able to really get, like, his shot off quick. And it seems to trick goalies.

But I think that, there's still a little bit left to be desired. Like I would not be shocked if he ended up on a team where he got a little bit of confidence where he ended up becoming exactly what they thought he was when he was drafted. I, you know, like a 30 goal guy,

like a 30 goal 60 point guy. I could see him be in an unbook, like, like if he's a third line center making four and a half, five million bucks and he's getting regular ice time and he can get you 22 to 25. goals, I think that's an unbelievable job. Like he, I don't think he, I think through the process of like getting sent down and having

to play a little bit in the minors and developing and kind of slowly coming up now. And also when you're fifth overall, sometimes you, you can't really fly under the radar. There's like a lot of pressure for you to develop. I don't think it's necessarily like been there. And he hasn't really been in the spotlight, especially being in Phoenix and then now Utah. I think that that he could be one of those guys that find, finally like, you know, at mid-20 range, finds his game. How old is he now? He's got to be like 25, 26 now.

Yeah, I think he's 25. He's 26. He just turned 26, but I mean, it's, he's pretty thick too. Like, he's not like a skinny guy either. Like, he's, I think at what they offer shooting him for at that amount of money, it's an absolute no-brainer. And I hope that he ends up in New Jersey to get a fair shake. And I think that just being on the East Coast will open up people's eyes to like how good he actually is. I think he's good. I agree. Yeah, I think he'd be a great 3C for the devils and he does bring that size and he's very good defensively, but I don't want to get my hopes up too much because

I did see tonight Andy Strickland said you can expect Utah to match it. Yeah, they got it. They got it, but then also you're most likely going to lose him for nothing in a year. Yeah, that's crazy. Or he has a good first half of the year and you resign him and or you're saying that you can't, no matter what, you can't trade him this year, right? No matter what, matter what, you can't trade him for a full year. That's such a weird. That's such a weird rule. It should almost work both ways that you can't trade him for a year if you match and you can't trade

him. Like the fact you can trade him if he signs your offer sheets crazy. You don't think they'd have like a conversation with them before and be like, hey, will you re-sign here if we'd, you know, match this offer sheet? Elliot said the relationship between him and Utah had started to a road. So there was obviously there's something there. Yeah. So, it's interesting.

Maybe they let him go. But in the Markstrom deal, I love getting Evan Rodriguez. Love that. Man, now, now he kind of like isn't what you need based on like the undersized guys you have. But he's fucking awesome. He can play up and down your lineup. I remember him at BU. And I think it was the year Eichel was there.

And he popped off playing with Eichol, but a no like not an NHL prospect at the time or like a big one. And he's made a hell of a career. I mean, dude. think how good he was in those finals. So that's a guy coming to the devils that's won, like just almost the experience of winning helps a lot. And then who else was in that? He plays a hard-nosed game,

like you said, Yans, up and down the lineup. What killed the devils in the last few years is lack of depth. Their big guns show up, you know, like basically what you expect of them. But they've had zero depth scoring the last two years.

So Rodriguez will help a lot with that hard-nose game. And Boch-Bok-W-King. Getting Bochwis back. You know, I was not happy that they let him go a few years ago. I think he's a great fourth liner can play third line like can skate well

so I love bringing him back so Sonny May has done a good job of filling in the depth on the bottom two lines but still they need an elite top six winger Cyper I've been saying that for years and I still think they're gonna make a move for one

for who for who should have offered she did Leo I think it's gonna be a sneaky a sneaky name that no one's really talking about I think Sunny's gonna pluck a guy because the guys that I talked about, like the Kairus and stuff, those guys are no longer on the war. He doesn't even know. He can't even think of a name, but he knows it's going to be sneaky.

He's like the fucking Butler and Mr. Deeds, very, very sneaky. And he's very sneaky. So I don't know. I don't know, Pasha. I think they're going to be fucking mid again and Jackson don't want to go over to Minnesota. Pasha, what would you do? They weren't there rumblings that Bill Garon was kicking tires on Jack Hughes?

Okay, that was the dumbest fucking. report of all time. The thing was Rousseau, who said that Garin is called New Jersey about Jack Hughes. No fucking shit. Like obviously Gary Aaron would want Jack Hughes. If anything, it shows me that he's a little bit antsy that Quinn might not resign that he's like, fuck,

let me get Jack here to help. Oh, you're trying to do the Uno Reverse. Well, it's just like, yeah, no, no. I like that, gosh. Jack Hughes. And also it came out that there's been no progress in contract talks with Quinn and Minnesota. And again, I'm not saying he's going to Jersey, but like,

you got to be a little bit nervous as a wild fan. It came out this morning that they haven't progressed in talks because Brissonne and Garan have both been too busy with other things. What is more important than getting Quinn Hughes' contract? Pasha. Quinn and Jack are going to be on the Rangers. Hey, Paul should just go over the court.

So Quinn and Kahl McCarr could both sign tomorrow, right? Yeah. Holy fuck. When are those extensions going to drop? Wild fans would go fucking nuts. One of them's waiting I know. I know. Who's going to be the bad guy first? No, just

Like Caprisoff. Caprisov took the bullet and now fucking what's Burles going to say about Leo signing for 18? His hands were forced. I know Merl's did not love that a sweet did that. He kissed the dog of now he has to. Gis just brought us up in the chat. It is crazy.

We're talking McCar. We're talking Quinn Hughes. I mean, both guys, if they signed for 20 a year, I'm not Blinken and I. Bo Byram is currently the highest paid defenseman in the NHL. That is fucking crazy. It's kind of crazy, boys. He's never been a number one. He's never been a number two.

I legit. I love him. I'm not coaching my camp this week. I'm doing the camp. I'm making a comeback. You could make five now. Buddy, if you fucking trained your dick off all summer and somebody gave you a chance and then the power play D-man went down early in the year.

and you were on a one-year 8-50 deal. Get you-could end up getting a two-year, like 10 total deal. Perfect. Klingberg style. That's Klingberg. No hips, opening up everywhere. So I met him and got to talk to him in Jackson when I first got here. I told you guys on the last pot.

Yeah, I bet he was no man. Bo Byron, Bo Byram. Hey, he didn't even have open bar? No, no, it was ticketed event at his wedding and Snowbler. King. You could you had to walk up the mountain. He didn't even pay for the tram. He wouldn't even get up. He said to bring the fish that he caught. It fucking

it, it fed a rat in the kitchen. Ratatooie. Ratatooie. I was just going to, uh, but that's a, that's a heavy, heavy tag. I don't. I don't agree with how

Chicago did business on this one. No. Like the whole thing is it was the hard part is, is you can't, tamper, right? You can't. Hey. Like, they couldn't. Yeah, exactly. I talked to a front office guy in the league on the phone the other day who told me that the craziest part of that deal was that Creveille was thrown and he's

like, Crevee is fucking awesome. He's going to be an awesome bottom pair guy. He goes, when I saw that that was part of it, I almost puke. That's exact words. Whoa. And all of a sudden, too, like you, if you're, if you're Buffalo, like you now have, like, you, you had to go pick up Logan Stanley. You had to pick up Shen to add some toughness. Um, like, because like, we've talked about power. Power is obviously in their top three defensemen and he, he's not going to play that like killer physical game. But I think you can get that out of crevier. So it kind of frees the other guys up. You don't go

to pay him jack squat. They already got guys that can do what Bo Byram does. So when you're looking at Buffalo. Like, that is like, they won that trade three times over. Yeah. And the fact that he ends up getting paid, have to get paid that much. Like, he had them by the balls, man. Like, come on, Bo Byram. Bo Byram should be making $10 million.

10 million bucks. And even that. I actually think, like, if he signed that deal, because it's five years of 12 and a half, right? It's beautiful. Six, six years, 12 and a half. Like, if he signed six years at 9 AAV, I'd be like, yeah, I get it. Yeah.

12 and a half more a year. But he had the same money as McDavid the next year. The next two years. Yeah, you can't even say that. I mean, we did joke before, but that was fucking brutal that video, speaking of Chicago of a badard. I never saw it.

Oh, bro, that's because you're fucking fishing for fucking Moby Dick in the creek river that you jump in. Moby's dick. But no, this, he's battling in the corner playing three-on-three cross-eyes, and all of a sudden you hear like, ah, and he's skating off grabbing his shoulder. Like, guessing, I'm bad. Guess, Dr. Whitney here, whatever happened to him during the season, he didn't have surgery on and it just happened again. So say it's dislocated shoulder, like, I would be, I wouldn't be shocked if all of a sudden we hear like, yeah, he's going to get it fixed now.

And he didn't want to do the surgery and was good. But it all, it was the same shoulder. So something, it happened again, whatever it was. I know. That's fucking bummer. Now, it's only July... July 6, but... Oh, I thought you had seen the video.

No, because I... No, because you said what... Like, you talked about the number. I said, why do you think he's not going to make that? Because I said his play. Like, I don't think he's an $18, $19 million guy. Do you think this affects what he's being offered by Chicago right now? Like, do you think that affects these contract negotiations,

the fact that he got injured training? No. That number is affecting the Bredard and Celebrini and obviously Fantilli's not that level, but there was one tweet that said if Anaheim matches the cost of one that Philly's just

going to give one to Fantilli at a lesser number. Why wouldn't they, right? I still think Fantilli's going to be sick. Yeah. They got their two center. The only problem for doing it to Fantili is like you wouldn't have those first rounders anymore

to give up. No, because I'm saying, I'm saying if Anaheim matches. Oh, okay. They're going to do it again. They just do it again. Okay, okay. Do it until you get someone.

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Dude, San Jose's paying full freight and chucked in that Shakir Mukumadoulin, who at times looks nice. Like, here's a first round pick. you have to give a couple clicks to stand ball. I don't know because you said always and everybody said if a nurse was making six and a half, no one would ever be talking about it. I agree. Nine and a half is six and a half now.

No, not really with D because Byram's the highest fucking paid defenseman at 12 and a half. We don't have one of those $20 million defensemen yet being, that's the biggest part. But dude, that's pretty good. And also, I want to say, I want to say, I hope when Darnell goes back to Edmonton, like, there's a big round of applause for him. Like, the guy...

For sure. Yeah, it was too high of a contract. They overpaid, but fuck, he played hard. He was pretty good a lot of times, man. It was one of those things where it was just too much money, but fuck, he played hard. Obviously, the guys loved him. And now he moves on to San Jose. The guys love him.

Yeah. And then at the same time, he goes out and gets Freddie Anderson. I love that deal. one-year deal. He got Devon Levi from Buffalo. So now they got the Jari. And Pasha mentioned this. The three-headed monster. I don't think that they probably start the year with three. But Anderson there, that's like the best goalie the Oilers have ever had since McDavid's been there. Absolutely. Right?

Yeah, I mean, he's just coming off of Stanley Cup. He's a guy that is going to get you wins. Yeah, I think 100% he's the best goalie they've had since fucking Liquid Dwayne probably. like Guaduino I don't know I mean I think it's a great trade Obviously Maybe he's getting a little older He's not gonna play 65 games

But you gotta you gotta spread the wealth In other spots too All right considering stoff has his hand shoved up with his ass And he's his puppet right now I'll give Stan Bowman a couple clicks Yeah I got Anderson And got off nurse for a for a 22 year old

defenseman And he got Shazzo He got Ryan Shay Biz Ryan Shay Who I agree blinded and grinded. He got a five-year deal for 20 million bucks. He had, dude, I, oh, well, I retweeted something.

Ryan Shade at the 12th most five-on-five points in the NHL last year. He had more than Eric Carlson, Darren, D.Ratts, Charlie McFoy, Roy, Rowe's... As a D-Man? Or even... Even... Oh, I'm assuming D-Man. But, I mean, he had more than Heskenny and he had more than Schaefer. So he can move the puck. He's making $5 million, 4 million bucks, which is more.

more than half of what, you know, Darnell was making, and he can P-K. That was good. Those were good moves. He made good moves. He re-signed Capinen. Caponin's money in the playoffs. They re-signed Dickinson. They got the Connor Murphy deal done.

Their D's nice. I'm telling you, it was a good off-season, and maybe they're not done. It was a good off-season for the Oilers. Stan Bowman did some work on July 1st. Couple clicks, buddy. A couple clicks. A couple clicks. No red cards.

Yeah. Now, the sharks, on the other hand. Yeah, sharks. Let's talk sharks. Sharks, on the other hand, they're paying some insane money to some defensemen that I don't, I, I respect Jacob Truba. He's a fucking killer. He'll run you through the wall, put his elbow through your temple.

He plays like a complete manchild out there. I honest to God thought he'd get like maybe four or five million bucks a year. He signed for four year deal for 8.2 a year. And Darnell is making 9.25. San Jose. have respectable, respected veterans in the locker room, man. They're so young.

They got nobody on the back end. Like, I get these contracts are an overpayment. Like nobody is, nobody is denying that. One, they have so much fucking money to spend that they had to spend it somewhere. True.

Yeah, do I, do I agree that that's the place they should have spent it? No, but if there's nobody else available and nobody else willing to go there, why not, why don't make your back end bigger and tougher?

Like, like, So you actually like the guys. You're just saying the numbers are a little high, but you like the guys there. I would like them in playoffs. Like when playoffs starts, those are the type of D you want to have going during the regular.

And they got Mason Marchment. Mason Marchment was a nice signing. Yep. Yeah. And like Truba, you go back to a few years ago when they were struggling in New York. Like he had that game against Chicago where he got in the scrap, throws the helmet.

Like you need like mutant, big tall mutant D men who have like leadership and veteran qualities. And they need veteran presence in that locker room to, like, help. And listen, I don't know true, but personally, he seems like a good guy. He seems like he's well liked. We just said the same thing about Darnell. So you got to also find guys who are not only veterans, but are well liked that are going to be received well there to keep those other guys happy.

I'm not saying, like, who knows, Celebrini and Smith and these younger guys are, like by the time they get on the ice and see what they're providing for the money they get, they might be rolling their eyes, say into their agent, get me the fuck out of here. I don't know, but A, I respect the sharks for making that move and solidifying those two positions. In this case, with them having that much money and them having Celebrini and Smith and a few of those other younger guys cheap, at least for next year, those deals will be over before you know it. Yeah.

And who the fuck else were they going to get? No. And they just crushed it at the draft. They had a great draft. So it's one of those things where if you can bring those guys in, have them around, the biggest thing that when the league's getting younger is having those older guys around who are still serviceable,

can still play you good minutes. Like Jacob Trub is a warrior on the ice. I actually wouldn't have cared about the number if it was a three-year deal. It's that fourth year. It's like, but I think to get him to go there, that was probably, I bet you a lot of teams were offering them three years or two years. And then he gets the fourth year. Yeah, it's for Earhoff, our boy.

who just got drafted there, the earlobe off. No, Verhoff, but let's say Verhoff is able to go there this year and step in, and he's a 7th D man, he's in the lineup. You need Truba and you need Darnel Nurse, teaching him off-ice habits, and let's say he pans out where he's snapping it around, and he's in the lineup every night. All of a sudden, let's say he's lined up with Darnell and or Truba, that's a de-paring that's making fucking an average of,

four and a half to five million per guy. And it's also, you have a young D man that both of those guys will fight for him. They'll let him have his ice. They'll get him the puck. Let him do his thing. You need to have these guys around. Guys like that. I get it.

The money might seem crazy right now. But like to bring an elite, he was the captain of the New York Rangers. He knows what he's doing in a locker room. He knows how to handle all types of situations. So, yeah, I mean, it's not our money at the end of the day who gives a fuck. And I'm happy for him. So, Darnel. after, Darnell's got former years too,

so they're probably thinking, you know, maybe, maybe that third year of their deal were possibly trying to win the conference. I'm guessing it's not going to be before then, but all of a sudden, in four years, they're both coming off the books

when they're really in, like, if the way it looks with the draft this year and all these guys, you know, five years from now is like, could be, it's really go time if it hasn't, you know, really started yet. So.

Buddy, you could trade the, contracts like somebody will take them you know for one year take a second rounder you're all good i i'm asan marchman was a nice signing oh that was that was that was fucking it was um it was like 6.5 a year i think let me find it here 6.75 a year on a five year deal that's awesome and his dad uh passed away a few years ago worked for san Jose played in san Jose so you know he's going to be going in there and you know he's playing for something bigger too right i love that day i play played with Marchy in Florida, a guy who battles his ass off. He works so hard in practice every day, like making other guys better.

He's got one of the best sticks that just gets in the way. He's one of those guys who just gets in your way, you know what I mean? But at one of those big, big tough forwards, he's going to be hard to play against every night. And, you know, the way that that division is, like, you need those guys. And we forgot to mention Dickinson, too, who's a young defenseman, G. Put in the chat, like, you were raving about him. So you could have a few guys who were making cheap money on the back end for San Jose. Yeah, for a couple more years.

For a couple more years. Yeah, and I guess you're right, because Verhof, I don't think he'll go pro this year. So then he comes in and as his deal ends, Truba and Nurse would be coming off the books. But if he had, I mean, they just had their rookie camps, right? Like if he impresses, you don't think that they would. I don't know, man. He went young to college. He went early to college.

went early to college and then Verhoff's going back. Yeah, off stuff for you going back to North Dakota next year. Okay. Yeah, there it is. What if he has a sick camp? You can't go to camp if you're, uh, if he was still in junior, he could have. But if you're in college, you can't go to main camp. Which is surprising now that you can't based on like, there's no rules.

Right. But maybe it's because camp is when you're already in school and you're skating every day. So kind of is like one or the other. You don't go to camp till you turn pro. But John Carlson boys Kind of shocking that Carolina traded for his rights It seemed like Oh, you know, Keith that happened with you

Florida trade for your rights You signed the deal with Florida It seems to be that most times When an upcoming UFA Rights get traded before July 1st They sign with him But he ends up in Tampa On a two-year deal

Eight and a half a year I love it kind of replaces radish Doesn't have the bomb But probably a better puck He does though Remember when he was shooting Not radish Not radish, but he has a cannon.

Like when they would take away Ovi, when guys would, when I was on the Rangers, we would just like shadow Ovi and have Gerardi, who was a goalie stand in front of him. And Carlson would be ripping. He's got a cannon. Okay, okay. So yeah, that's a good move. He stays, you know, in that, well, actually, fuck, they're in the Atlantic,

so it's not the metro. But stays in the east where he wanted to be. So I like that signing. 60 points last year. I know, Biz. Keith just brought him up. Ovi's back, baby. Ovempic.

You called it. You called it. I thought with talk and all the, what do you say? Ovempic. He did look skinny in the picture. He's on it. He's honest. Like you said.

His wife's a very unattractive girl, huh? Holy shit. Putin had him cook up a new peptide in the Wuhan lobs. Really? Ove's wife was. standing over him and his two boys just like an absolute rocket master of the clan. I'm like, okay, okay, I see what Obie's work with. Yes, we, and listen, we mean that with the ultimate, like, level of respect.

Oh, no, it's the greatest goal squad in the history of the game of hockey. Like, of course, he's going to have a rocket launcher of Russian wife. Fembaught. So good for Ovi. He's back one more year. Washington's good, dude. Washington's forwards are fucking huge. Jason Greger sent out a tweet.

They're all enormous, dude. Massive. Are we still an agreement that OV should be able to, like, just take whatever steroids he wants if he keeps playing? Yeah. I'm pretty sure that's why he's coming back. You made the rule. G put it in, Washington signed Boone Jenner.

That's a great sign. That's a great sign. Washington's coming back with an vengeance thing. Yeah, Tucks a big boy. Like, they're big and fast. Those Russian guys they got that they made the lap. Protas brothers. They got the two twin protasas.

They're both monsters. Tom Wilson's killing people. You bring in Boone Jenner, a captain of Columbus for all those years. Ryan Leonard. He's back. Ryan Leonard's maybe like undersized compared to them, but he plays hard. That's a fucking thing. Tyroop, man, Washington's going to be nice.

That might be my undercover sneaky pick with the good goaltending that they have with Thompson. In my mind. Hudson looked good last year at the end of the year. Oh yeah, he'll be running the power play. Washington in my mind is clear-cut second best team in the Metro. after Carolina. Like who else is? Not the shitbagged New Jersey Devils.

I'll tell you that for free. No, they got the three-headed monster goalie. Not the Devils, not the Rangers, not the Islanders. I don't, yeah, I don't. No, they're definitely too. You'd be hard pressed to find a team like Washington where after they were, like the OSHA days were over. Like, I'm like, oh, they're going to go.

The backstrom days kind of, right? The back from Oshy, I meant to say Oshy not over. John Carlson, they got. Carlson, I'm like, everybody thought that they were going to fall off a cliff. They have done the complete opposite. So, hey, that's off. I think it a lot has to do with Carberry. And it looks like guys want to play for him.

What's the GM again in, uh, in, um, McPhee. No, no, he's, he's in Vegas. No, Chris Patrick. Chris Patrick. Oh, that's right. If we're giving clicks to Stan Bowman, I'm going to suck the dick off that guy's torso in Washington. Okay. Okay.

That's the difference. And if he's getting clicks, he should get a gummer. Okay. We got a show note. We got a show to it. It's you doing it. Yeah, sure. Ryan Smith in Utah, they went to work.

They went to work, boys. They get Vinny Trocheck. I mean, I love that. I didn't think he'd go out west, but surprisingly, he's out west with Utah. They get Anders Lee on a three-year deal, 5.4 million. Can't believe he's not on the Islanders. They just didn't want to, they didn't want to give him, I don't know if it was the Troach was wearing garments when we did our sandbagger.

I knew that was coming. What's a garment? That's what Mormons wear. Oh, really? Garments. No shit. When they soak? What is a garment?

They wear like white garments under their clothes. It's a Mormon thing. Oh, so they wear, oh, that's like their underwear? Uh, kind of. I think it's like a part of a onesie? Uh, no, I believe it's a two-piece thing. Okay. Like war?

Can we get some, gee, do you know anything about that? Do you have any? Yeah, so Mormon garments are a special, modest undergarment worn by adult members of the Church of Jesus Christ of the latter day saints. They're a physical reminder

of sacred covenants made by God symbolizing personal purity and a commitment to living virtuously through a Christ-centered life. I don't think he thought that the pink... A. T. Miller definitely didn't have one on. No, he didn't. He was not. He refused to wear the garments.

He refused. And I think that ultimately Troach thought that Pink Whitney would not affect him if he had his garments on, but also at the fact that he knew that he was going to Utah. Okay, fair enough. Why didn't you think he'd go out west? Just from being in the east, a lot of those guys want to stay?

Yeah, I just, I don't know. I thought, well, I definitely thought he could go to Minnesota, but I just figured he kind of wanted to be on the east. But, I mean, Utah's looking good. I mean, Andersly, another captain, captain on the move, Boone Jenner's on the move. Brady left. So I think Utah became a better team, you know, July 1st.

I think they got two great forwards. Did they do anything else? I would imagine, too, like Cooney's a Pittsburgh guy. I would imagine they skate together in the summer. I'm sure he's telling them it's unreal. True. So I like that. And I mean, it's a familiar face too.

I'm sure he's buddies with them if they are from the same place. So I think it's a great deal for them. And, I mean, they look great, biz. You've been on them for a while. They were awesome in playoffs, fun to watch. This team is like... How many years does Troch have left? Two, I thought it's...

It's also like... I think it's three. Is it three? Okay, wow. But ultimately, you're looking... For Troch, you're probably looking, listen, I just had a year from hell. Our team couldn't even score at home last year.

We're not going to be good in New York. Now you have this up-and-coming Utah team where, like, they're going to be in the mix to make playoffs the next two, three years. Like, they're on the rise. Like, he makes five, six. Five six is now fucking league minimum. Yeah.

So. But, uh, Jersey's good. Dersie went back to New York. I like Dersie's game. And so did Cole Boadine? Uh, gee, let me look this kid up. Uh, he's 24th overall pick, 2024.

So he played in the OHL last year, 88 points, 54 games. Uh, world, world junior, world juniors two years in a row. That's, if you make Canada, world juniors, two years or all, usually you're a complete stallion. I feel like a lot of those guys only make team...

I haven't even got him a metal. True, true, true, true. And Tijic Inla's coming, so Utah's looking good. Who else? Matthews is coming. We mentioned the Demadov deal. That Demadov deal is going to look incredible. Year after year, it's going to look better.

Everybody's fallen in line there. It's perfect. If you had to bet who the next owner, would do a big offer sheet, would Ryan Smith be on your top of your list? Oh, a thousand percent, dude. That guy would fucking throw a basket of money outside of an airplane, man. He didn't give a shit. He's loaded.

He's loaded. And he wants to win. He's building a, he's building a ridiculous practice facility there. Oh, that's done, I think. One of the kids at our camp this week is from Utah. He actually asked me to sign his hat because you signed his hat when you were out there,

biz at Utah. But he said the practice facility. is amazing. I mean, this is coming from a 15 or 14 year old kid. He was like, it is so insane how nice it is. Yeah. No, I think that, I don't think they're going to be fucking around anymore. Where the money and how they're treated and the family life and the setup, I think that's going to start luring guys into Utah. Yeah. And the garments. We mentioned the Jets. They signed Stewart's scanners, two-year deal for an average 3.75, you know, coming off kind of a tough year between Edmonton and Pittsburgh.

He goes to Winnipeg. The Red Wing signed Arvinson, two-year deal, average annual $5 million. Steady Y making moves. I thought he'd go back to Boston, actually, but he had 25 goals,

so he gets $10 million on a two-year deal. The Golden Knights did sign the Rasmus-Sanderson. Raspus-Sandering got 8.5 a year for seven years. He's got to look better than he did in the playoffs. Has to, and they went to the finals. But that was basically kind of, like a handshake deal, I think, when he went over there.

We mentioned Goudas, a six-year deal for 1.5 a year. That is a hilarious contract. At some point, the league's coming after Florida for these deals. Well, you forgot one part of the contract. What? He's living in Yanzas beach house there at the back. No, he's got too many kids. He wouldn't fit. He actually kept his house in Florida, so that makes it a lot

easier. We talked about having to go somewhere buying a new house. He kept his house in Florida, so he's Gucci. He can just walk right into it, turn the key, veteran move. Probably gain a bunch equity in it too, the way the market's humming down there. Oh, yeah. Wilde re-signed Bobby Brink,

one-year deal, 2.75. He looked great when he went over. He looked great, yeah. I played with him a little bit in Philly. He's a highly, highly skilled guy with a big motor. I thought he was awesome towards the end of the year last year when he got moved over. How, did you guys hear the Zuccarello thing about like how like, like, he was bullshit.

What? He was bullshit that Minnesota kind of lowballed him. Well, that and like, I don't like, I don't think Billy G like ever reached out and like like, like try to like, yeah, like there was some rumblings. I don't know if it's another. I don't know if this is true then. I hope I don't step on anyone's toes. But, but long story short is there was no real communication between both sides. until it got too late and then Zup got a good offer and he was out of there.

Which seems kind of crazy to me because when he wasn't in the lineup in Minnesota, they were a completely different team. I actually saw a wild fan put up their four lines or their 13 fours as of now and said, I'm kind of underwhelmed, like looking at this forward group right now. Now, they look pretty fucking good. I mean, Colorado, they got them, right? that last game was crazy, but Zuccarello was a big part of that team.

They almost got to replace that. They got to figure that out. And then we got to bring on R.A., but before that, Jack Drury, five-year contract, 4.5 a year with Nashville, showed out Jack Drury. And a move we saw coming from miles away was Montreal eating a little bit of money

on the last year for Brendan Gallagher, and he goes over to Vancouver where he's from. and, you know, a veteran guy on what's going to be just a horrible hockey team. They're going to be horrible. And you know why Montreal is able to do that? Because they sign these guys. They sign Hudson for cheap.

They signed Demadov for cheap. They're just making good moves. And, you know, a guy that, I mean, he's only been there. He's been a consummate pro there. I mean, that guy played his ass off for how long was he there? 15 years, 16 years. He was there a long time. He's going to get a hardcore standing all.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I want to see how many games he played for them. He played. I think 9. I'm going to say 9-20. 9-11. 9-11.

He played half of the first year in the minors in Hamilton. So 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 30, 15 years. The league is rigged if he plays his 1,000th game versus the Montreal Canadiens. Those things always happen now. I know. I'm going to know. It always happened. Bring in R.A.

There's a couple things I want to ask R.A. Hello, everybody. Welcome to R.A.'s world here in the Spitting Chicklets podcast. I want to send a happy 4th of July out to all our listeners here in the States. A belated happy Canada today to our great fans up in Canada as well. Tough going for the United States on the soccer side tonight. I know you boys wanted to get to that. I don't know if you want to do.

jump right into it or discuss 4th of July matters before then biz how was your fourth i know he did a little fishing you said it was it was great buddy yeah honestly like just like i mean obviously i celebrate Canada day down here as well but we're very blessed to live in and in two wonderful countries well at least i am right born in canada i've spent like basically all of my adult life as a primary resident of the united states buddy could be more grateful for for living in two countries. And I don't know if you caught this one and obviously you're the one who brought it up, R.A. was Portnoy's, like, I think it was a post he sent about how there's like a lot, so much like negativity surrounding it and how like everybody complains about the United States

all the time. But like everybody wants to beat there. Like it's such an unbelievable country. So I think the World Cup's been cool. Like it's just seems like, yeah, it's been pretty good for America, Canada, Mexico. It's made the world smaller. All these people are coming. coming over and saying they're having the best vacation ever. I mean, buddy, every country's got its issues. No doubt United States does, but I fucking love living here. We're blessed, boys. I'm very proud to be American.

I love Canada. I think Canadians are so proud to be from Canada. It's two amazing countries that we kind of get to represent here. If you're right, sorry. At least you can't get seasick when you go fly fishing. Like we did fishing a couple years ago. I had a tough time here. During COVID.

Now, Al Ray, I got to ask you, is that in England? hat or is it just a Oh, fuck no. No, this is a Bunker Hill. It's the Bunker Hill hat. Like, basically the Battle of Bunker Hill, the big monument in Boston, right down the street from where we stayed, it's actually a blue flag. This is just sort of the top corner of it.

That's a cedar tree. So yeah, it commemorates like the Battle of Bunker Hill and it's basically sort of Charlestown's unofficial hat. We don't have like an official flag. I'm sorry, official flag. We don't have like a flag per se. But if you're from here, you definitely have a What'd you do on the fourth, all right? I just had a kind of a chill weekend, man.

I stayed in for like four days in a road. I would rather a foot of snow than 100 degrees. We had back-to-back 100-degree days here in Boston for the first time since like 1944. I can't deal with it. I just stayed in. But the fourth, my good pal Macca, he had a small crowd here. He's at a nice, I actually believe it, an underground pool here in Charlestown.

So went up there. I had a couple cocktails. Went for a dip. You know, it was just a nice, you know, chill night with a lot of close friends. That's awesome. They still have the pool up at the, um. The bunker? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That was the best pool in the world back in the day of the diving board. Oh, my God. Yeah, the 16 foot. Yeah, it was actually close. In a 16 foot diving board was when Wendy Peppercorn style at the fucking little jump off.

It was the best. Yeah, after hours. Yeah, there was a little like bend in the fence. So we'd go up, you know, after midnight, whatever go for a little dip. But yeah, they did it over last year. So it's looking pretty good. Yeah, Paul, public, you know, like exactly, like Wendy Pefficorn, that same type of like public, you know, municipal pool.

Yeah, municipal pool. we all go. Actually, Keith them with, I know we're just talking about Fourth of July. You guys were down, Nantucka, did you happen to bump into the Sandman at all? Adam Sala. He just saw that. So apparently he called the police office

like the non-emergency line and said, hey, where is there a chance? There's a pickup basketball game going and they sent him down to a court where there's always kids playing. No, he did. It's the one next to the rink with. He loves pickup basketball. He just showed up and he played for about an hour.

took pictures and I guess then Gaz tweeted he was in the same exact outfit at crew eating lunch He makes me look like Mr. Tucks the way he dresses Oh yeah, he's true We were actually talking about this So I have all these, my brothers are at my house And my brother-in-law were just shooting the shit

But when that news broke Sandler's the man, I don't know him But he has all those guys That he's put in every movie he's ever done Like talk about taking care of your people I've never really heard a whole Hollywood bad story about him. He just...

He wouldn't. He seems like the fucking best person going. And I've gone to his stand-up. He has all those guys open up for him, like that Dante guy. What's the other... Rob Snyder. Rob Snyder. And then what's the other guy who's Joe Dirt?

Nick Swardson? No, Joe Dirk. David Spade. Like, he has all those guys open up for him, too. So he's like the ultimate friend. Yeah. You don't hear a bad word. Actually, I got to give him a little fist bump.

Uncut Gems come out a few years ago. I would say... No movie. The premiere over... That movie is a straight up panic attack. Gives me anxiety. I'm telling you. I've watched that movie the first time.

I was not comfortable leaving. I've been on the edge of my seat. But like in a bat, I like I liked the movie, but it's just like... It's not exactly like you're a relaxing watch. I'd rather have a million on the game myself than watch this freaking thing. One of the last note on the 4th of July, I don't know if you saw the video from the International Space Station where our pal Colonel Mike Hopkins was a couple of years back. You could actually see the fireworks in LA

Like from the video You could just see all the stuff kind of smashing Yeah Yeah I retweeted it on my feet if you want to check it out Yeah it was pretty pretty cool stuff Going back to Sandler He was the guy who like officiated the wedding For Taylor Swift and Travis Kels

That's probably why he was in the area Yeah dude he officiated their wedding It's crazy So that wedding went it was at MSG I kind of love the move I think it's awesome Crazy that she got married at MSG.

I think it's weird and it wouldn't be what I would want. It's like silly. But it seems like they did it silly. Like Adam Sandler was like the one officiating it all. And they had every star celebrity athlete. And a lot of people, I'm assuming, like go over to like whatever Montpac or or where you guys are at.

And in places around New York around July 4th. So it's kind of an easy out. Boom. You're there at MSG. everything was already locked down, I think for the most part, because of the World Cup. So bingo bangle, get them in there. You could seat and fit them all in the stadium and then see you later. Everybody go enjoy the rest of your July 4th weekend.

So I thought it was actually smart. They took so much criticism for it, obviously, because it's like anything she does that people want to shit on. But I actually thought it was a good move. You only do it once. I only get married once. I think the idea of doing it. MSG is so gross. I know. I'm like, that's what I'm married.

He got a front row seat. San Leproy did it because he's like, can I shoot hoops before, like on the court? Yeah. One quick gambling note. I've never seen Stanley Cup odds this high in my gambling career. Broins 100 to 1 on draftings. But right now, the Canucks and the flames are 1,000 to win the Stanley Cup. Have you ever seen odds this high?

No, but all right. Like, I know you want to bet it. Don't bet it. Don't bet it. No. I'll give you a hundred. He's bringing this up because he's like, dude, I got to touch this. It's a thousand to one for a reason.

They're not winning. I got issues, but they're not 1,000 to 1 on Calgary of Vancouver. How much is San Jose right now? San Jose is, now we're talking biz, 35 to 1 along with Ottawa and Toronto. All three of those are 35. I would put my life savings on Toronto getting farther than San Jose. Oh, I think we can arrange a little side thing, maybe. Not right now, a little something.

You know what? Fucked me. You know what I bet you are right? That Carlson. Let's do it. That Carlson, R.A., that Carlson offer sheet fucked me on that $5,000 bet I had with Pasha, but the ducks winning before the devils because now the cap's completely mangled.

And that pissed me off. I forgot about that. Yeah, for a big under the gun, he's definitely, I mismanaged this. I think you could say it. That was stunning news. I know we already went over it. earlier, but I mean, I'm a huge callus the guy. Meros got me on 10 years ago, but the idiots

online, like, oh, he only has X amount of points and X amount of games. It's like, bro, if you watch this guy, especially the last season he had, you know he's the next great like he did against Edmonton. Right, right. I mean, he's, like they say, Bachoff, but maybe even what it would have more skill, so, right? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Sorry, who can't talk about KY's boys.

More skilled than Barkov. I think Barkov has top five skilled ever. Suck on that, all right? All right, you just got shoved in a locker. Time will tell to them, all right. Time will tell. I thought you were going to say, if anything, not as good defensively. Well, I think that's a skill of guys, you know, particularly forwards.

They get better as the years go by. I mean, it's all just commitment to it. Or do they care about it? Exactly. Yeah, defense is more than the mental aspect. I know we're going to get to the soccer in a sec, but I can't imagine. Like, I've, you know, I've wore a bag over my head to a Bruins game once, but I've never painted my face or, like, dressed up.

But there's got to be no worse feeling as a fan biz than leaving a game like your face like half red or half green like dressed up as a character. So like some dude in Seattle's like walk at home like going to like toss a salmon in downtown Seattle dressed like William Howard's half like right now. I know. I know, a U.S. disaster of a game.

What an ugly. I would have never. I mean, I think that a guy on this podcast painted his face on the concourse at an NHL playoff game. No, it was I got a caricature. Those caricatures, you know those things? All right. Yeah, like a big head and they, you're doing a hobby?

No, I was in the cup finals and, like, all my buddies were there. And then Keith was, were you in the NHL? Yeah. Yeah. And then, like, apparently there was, you know, people walking around and they were like, what the fuck is that Keith? Yanda. And he's, like, posing like this is the character's guys, you know, on his face. You mean, like, well, Keith, when they draw, like, the Potson with the guy has the big head, like small bodies.

They do it all over Daytona Beach. You wouldn't know it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Just grinding them down. Like the character of me would be like the monster ears. Oh, yeah. You know how they do those?

You know what I'm saying? We should actually get them done next time we're somewhere. We got to get these done as a group. Would you able to see much of the first half of the ugly soccer game? Keith and I watched the beginning. They scored tied it up. Then it was 2-1. Then we started this.

What was the final score? 4-1. They gave up four goals. Oh, man. You know what? You know what? So the story goes, this guy gets the red card. Bullshit red card.

Shouldn't have got the red card, but he's out. The first fact is that Portnoy tweets that it's getting reversed. I'm like, what the fuck? Sure is shit, it gets reversed. Then the news breaks that Trump talked to the head of FIFA. I'm like, this is going to become news. And Europeans and people around the world were so discuss. But I saw that that, that, what's his name?

He's awesome. The Swedish guy that's doing the Fox broadcast. He said, I can't believe that it didn't get reversed sooner. So if you got an all-time soccer legend saying it was a complete joke and it should have even been taken away earlier, then I'm kind of like, well, it was the wrong call. It was kind of like if a guy got kicked out of a game in the NHL, you know, and then everyone's asking about the suspension and then they're like, oh, there's no suspension. He shouldn't even been kicked out of the game.

Like, I don't know. That wasn't. I heard it wasn't Trump that it was Judd that called. No shit. No shit. Obviously, yeah, it was controversial. It did seem like, you know, like I read it read up on Article 27 of FIFA's disciplinary code. The judicial body may decide to fully or partially suspend the implementation of a disciplinary measure.

But then later in the bylaws, it's like suspensions can't be appealed in the World Cup. So there's sort of like there was sort of contradictory things there. And then, you know, until I know FIFA Peace Prize won a Donald Trump called up the FIFA president there. And, you know, obviously they changed the ruling. And I think, yeah, penalties usually aren't rescinded. Like, unless it's in the game, like we just talked about, if a guy gets called for high stick and they look at the replayed, they fix it. They fix it right then. But it just seemed like, I don't know if this fueled Belgium more.

I think they're way more talented. They might have won the game anyways. But it definitely seemed to, I don't. It was like maybe they felt it was rigged against them or something because these things typically don't get lifted. I guess Ronaldo had a three game suspension that they reset that that somehow. But I think it was the fact that it was a phone call that was made and then it happened. And that guy from the process play out. They show him at every game.

What's his name? The head of FIFA Gianni something. Yeah. And he just looks like an incredible bond. Like evil Lou Lambello. Bond villain. And he's like, yeah, yeah, Donald Trump and I talked. And I was like, oh, this thing's going to go nuclear.

The story now isn't as good. What do you call those guys who live on yachts in the middle of the ocean? Oligards. Billionaires. Yeah. He looks like an oligard. Yeah. Well, that was the Chelsea owner.

It was a legit Russian oligarch and they were incredible. And then once like the whole like Russia attacking Ukraine war started like they forced him to get rid of the team. But they really haven't been very good since. So I think that. That's Man City? No, that's Chelsea. I think that this story would have been a lot bigger and better.

If they'd won and that guy scored, oh my God, the content that would have come out. Dave's content would have been off the track. He would have done another book. Just from a sure entertainment perspective, the fact that the biggest tournament in the world is going on and USA's still in it

and their guy is getting, shouldn't be playing. And then the fucking the president calls. I know. I know. That's entertainment. Beautiful. That is entertainment. And if it happened to Canada, although McCartney probably couldn't have got it reversed,

I don't think he's got that much power. I would have loved to have seen him call and like, the FIFA guy's like, hey, new phone, who this? He's like, uh, but as far as the entertainment factor, though, like, I think, I mean, two of the greatest games, I think at any sport I've ever watched since the last time we got together, Argentina versus Cape Verdi over the weekend.

Sick. Just just absolute phenomenal. That tie and go with, you know, an extra time. The way that just like curved on that, bend it like Beckham and then England versus Mexico, which was last night, Sunday night, just an absolute battle, man. So I mean, yeah, the U.S. is out,

but I'm not going to stop watching it. We've gotten so much entertainment. Like so many people, I know we say it every week on here, but it just, we're just emphasizing how much, like, people fall in love with this tournament in this game. What's the name of that building they played in Mexico? As techa, I think. As techa, they've, I think they've only lost two games there when they're playing an international play.

It's 4,500 feet above sea level. Obviously, hot as shit. That is an insane, tough environment to go into. I think there's 120,000 people in the stadium. And I think tickets were going for 5,000 a pop. Our boy, Nikki Smokes was down there with the one time done. I think they went to the game prior. Have you guys seen, how about the, he went to both games.

I think he went to two games down there. there. How about this Holland Viking? Dude. He's the best. He's a specimen. He's funny as shit, too. You ever see the video of him eating and then he looks at himself in the mirror and gets freaked out? Like a cat or dog? He's the most visual. Visually, like, he's the biggest athlete in the world, I think, right now.

So he has 112 goals and 132 games in the Premier League. In the German league, he had 62 goals and 67. games. In Champions League games, he has 57 goals and 58 games. And in the World Cup, he has seven goals and four games. And in international plays representing his country, he's got more goals than games played. You're going to shit. You know who, honestly, I can't even say this without laughing. Do you know who fucking told me about this guy first? Like seven years? Merle. Murles. Because Merles was watching a U-20 World Cup game and he scored. goals.

Yeah. Six? Eight. Eight goals he had. In an under- him of any world cup game on air. Merle's invented Vikings. And Merle's legit was like talking about him on a text with me and Meg.

He's like, you gotta see this fucking Norwegian guy. And I was like, huh? And then like eight years later he's just dominating the entire world. All he does is score. He just scores. And then the clip came out of him of his first goal the other day against. Who did they beat?

Who did they beat yesterday? Oh, he had two. Brazil. They beat Brazil. And he had the first one, he's just walking around, like, totally. And then just like a couple quick bursts and just like dummies, a defender, heads it in. And then the other one he got, he like kits it to himself, rocket left foot. But he, he looked, he's a legitimate Viking. It's like what came was like, it was like the guys that were just pillaging entire like colonies.

He was a Viking. He's a Norwegian Viking. So he's amazing. If he wins the, if they win the World Cup. I bet you he'll be the most marketable athlete in the world easily. Yeah. He's got that look that. He looks like no one else in the world. He's so lovable.

Every guy out there's like, he's going to knock on my old lady. I think he's with a girl from like his hometown too. And she's beautiful too. Yeah. No, it kind of reminds me a little bit like of the NHL playoffs. Now we get to the nitty gritty. We'll get to the final eight.

And it seems like a lot of the chalk is here now like the next upcoming games, France versus Morocco, Spain versus Belgium, Norway versus England and then the last one will be the winner of Argentina versus Egypt and Switzerland versus Colombia so after all said and done

it seems like a lot of these teams that were already going to be in the mix are going to be the finals So Keith and I on Monday we fly to England for a golf trip if England beats Norway we will be in London

for the semi-finals What? England's in. Oh dude that'll be... So you know they're going to lose because we would get to be in London I've never been to London for an English fucking World Cup

semi-final. Oh, my God. That is, I might fly over there. I would love it if you did. Just show up. You'll buy a place there, knowing you. Yeah, I'll buy a flat. I'm going to buy a flat, guys. Seven more of them.

Guys, breaking news here. Breaking news. Claude Jaroos headed back to Ottawa. Hmm. Thought that, uh, well, that ripple effect from the office sheet, I would imagine. Yeah, so apparently he was pretty close. of returning to Philadelphia.

Philadelphia told him to wait it out until they figure out this Carlson thing, and then he ended back in Arnold. What's the deal? It's not reported yet. Elliot just reported that he's going back to Ottawa. Boys, I know a couple weeks back, we mentioned that Ryan Craig was taken over

behind the bench in Vegas, but I don't think we mentioned Joe Ward is going to be taken over for him in Henderson, which is Vegas's HAL team. And he's just the second person of black ancestry to become a head coach in the league's 90-year history, former Chicago Black Hawk. Dirk Graham was the first when he coached Springfield back in 04 through 06.

Dirk Rand was also the first person of Black descent to be a captain and a coach in the NHL. He's the, he is a white parent, a mixed race parent. Actually, busy because of a very similar, you know, racial background to you. But I just want to give a shout to Joe Ward, the working up, you know, he was in a assistant for a long time. Legend, great guy. I just want to give him, acknowledge that. You know, he's definitely going down there to learn to be a head coach and he'll be a head coach in the NHL in the next three, four. years, I would imagine.

Yeah. So, I mean, we could say he's number two, whatever, but I just, you know, it's a historic thing. thing. I want to give him a shout out there. I know we didn't get to Prya. On Netflix, I don't know. Have you guys seen this new Louis K.

Ridiculous? His new stand-up set. I know whatever. Louis K. People have their issues. What am I get it? I understand, but he's hilarious. It was like his funniest set that I've seen in years.

I know, you know, he was good for a while. He kind of had a little dipsy. Obviously, he had his issues there. But Brian, I was crying, falling off the bed laughing the other night. It's called Ridiculous. give that a looksy on Netflix. A couple other recommendations if you're on there. If you ever seen Born on the 4th of July,

he ever see this one Keith? Yeah, old school. Yeah, it's a business. It's about a guy who goes to Vietnam and he comes back in a wheelchair. And he's, you know, he's sort of views of, you know, his country and what he served to sort of take a big term. But it was the first acting nomination for Tom Cruise. Yeah, he didn't win.

nominated for Best Picture, Cinematography, Adapted Screenplay. And all of a Stone did win best director for, yeah, best director for the movie. So give it a look. See it. It's a real good movie. You could see Tom Cruise. I know he's the action star because you really see his acting talent

on display here. And my classic recommendation also on Netflix, I can't believe I actually haven't recommended this one. Vago, 1996. I know we've talked about it on the show, but I never made an official recommendation. One of the best, like, well, whatever, it's a black comedy.

It's a murder mystery, but there's a lot of laughs in it. Can't say enough about it the Cohen brothers' awesome stuff. If you haven't seen it, get on. I like that movie a lot. It's fucked up, but I like it. You know what I watched the other day is a gone girl with Ben Affleck? Oh, yeah.

Dude, what a fuck? How insane is the girl in that thing? Oh, it gets me going. When she's going through, when she could take three of my dogs. When she pulled a knife out, business, like, oh, yeah. When she's describing how she was going to do the entire thing, and she's like, then you dye your hair, I was like, oh, Jesus. That's what, that's a deranged movie. She'd be leaving my house

Like she was running Like what do they're doing With all the huskies are going Yeah The uh The Adirot Yeah Ditterot

Leave in my place Oh my god In Arizona Suck a golf ball Through a garden hole Is just Who's the actress Who's the actress

Who was Who Ben Affleck Was having the affair With in that movie Oh that's She's a smoke She's ended up starts with an S.

Right? No, she's more like a hang out, I hang out with a Kardashians, isn't she? I don't know. She has cannons. That's all I remember. Absolutely handball. Girl cast.

No, you know who she is, Biz. She's like an Instagram. Oh, Emily Reda Tuditha. Yeah, Radithis. Yes. Yes. Who was? Yeah.

Obviously, the best athletes in the United States don't play soccer. But we still must have, I mean, our soccer numbers and youths soccer, I'm guessing, are just as big as you know, some of these countries. Why do we stink at soccer? Well, you don't stink. I mean, we don't stink. We made it to the

16. No, no, we stink. No, you went to the round of 16. No, you, you, we stink. Because I think that I also think that you're, you're, some of these countries, like, it's all they have. Like, it's their main thing. And it's also their only way to like make money be successful in some in some cases so i tend to believe that the draw the drive is way higher i tend

to believe it's like the skill though and like for sure you're based on you're based on like so many kids are like this is my way out whereas maybe you could say that like in sports here in the united states that isn't that aren't soccer but there there's so much better than us like they're so, and it's, it's just kind of bizarre to me. I think what, I think the, the U.S. priority with athletics is so, so much more focused on football, basketball, baseball, hopefully more hockey, but those, those type of sports, you know what I mean. It's not a fringe sport. Soccer has made huge strides. I mean, it was nothing when I was growing up, but I think that's a huge factor. It's just, you know, culture.

I know, but it is one sport where like, I don't, I don't even know 50 years from now, like, we're in the mix of like a top five, top eight countries. It's probably because the professional leagues over here aren't like as desirable as to go play over in Europe. And then like what are the chances you can go and do that? So I don't know. Yeah, it's a great question. But yeah, it's just kind of it's because how many guys go over? I did see Landon Donovan talking about and you know, you could say this with hockey in a sense, but not even close.

He was on bald stool. The youth system is completely broken. where the youth system here is like, it's just there's so much money and the coaches. I think the coaching, I'm guessing, for 10, 12, 14 year olds in Europe is so much better, right? And then they go to academies

when they're like 11 years old over there, I think. Yeah, yeah. But they even have like sister academies in the U.S. for those teams over there. Really? Yeah. Well, think about, think about the sport, the four major sports.

Like soccer reigns over all those in those country. So you group all those kids that would have went and played and been distracted by those other four. Now they're going to this one. And I still think our numbers of kids is bigger than that. It's got to be way more. Yeah. Oh. So it's like it doesn't matter,

right? If you look at the numbers. They don't want it bad enough. I don't think they want it bad enough. I don't think they want it bad enough. That is, I'll tell you, I'll tell you, I've you want to make it in a sport. The kids who make it in the sports, they just fucking want it. Yes, they have jeans.

They have great coaching. But in the end, it is, who wants it the most? Think of every single sport, dude. You get kids at 14, 15. If you want it, you're going to go out there and do it yourself with all the time at home you have. And then the kids who don't, they usually don't make it. I think you just mentioned the biggest fact.

the two genetics. I think that's the biggest factor in somebody making it athletically. So I was talking a buddy about this recently. He was saying, he was I honestly think

it's genetics and how bad you want it. Like it's kind of like when it's all said and done, it's like genetics and how bad does he want it? You have one or the other? It's probably not enough. I get them both.

Yeah. Every day down the rink down the street for 10 hours a day until I was tutled 22. I'd still never play for the Boston Bruins. You know what I mean? You know, you need that genetic luck, as it were, so. So Fish is saying it's a pay-to-play system in the U.S.

Europe has professional club scout and fund youth development entirely. Okay. That would make sense. So the kids don't even pay? So any kid, poor, rich, is getting the chance in Europe. I mean, it's not an expensive sport. You get cleats and your own knee pads or shouldn't pay. has, excuse me.

I mean, there's got to be thousands of soccer players who probably grew up, not even with a soccer ball or shoes that are kicking around a fucking little tennis ball. But yeah, US, they'll just never. I mean, how long did you hear that the 2026 World Cup and the U.S. host, that's our team. It's like, no, it was hockey. You got drummed in the round of 16. Can't have it all wit, right?

I don't know. Seriously, buddy. what else you want? I don't know. There was a time when USA hockey was, there was a time when USA hockey was the joke. No, Trump took all candleous fresh water so Witt could have a good time on Nantucket.

What's got his server? He needs all that water. That's why he engineered that floodbiz so he can get all that water in its basement. I was the guy who donated, boys. Keith, tell him about your pool. Holy shit.

Bays asked him anything funny happen, but I didn't even think of this either. I didn't even think. So whatever, we're getting ready. We got 50 people coming over to visit this weekend. I'm running out. I run to the packie. Then I run to Bartlett Farm to go grab some food.

Kristen calls me. She's like, she's like, the pool is empty. The pool is empty. My pool just completely empty. I was gone for 45 minutes, Biz. And my pool was completely empty. What happened?

Like one of like the, I don't know, the guy was trying to explain it to me. Brie goes, where's the water? He said, I don't know, I ran down the basement, thinking I had a wit situation, but luckily it wasn't in there. No, it was like filtering throughout this. I have no idea. They took care of it and then I donated to the downtown.

Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, Witt took it. All right, great show, free agency. You don't, you don't win the Stanley Cup in the summer, though, boys. So, you know, you remember Nashville, they won that a couple years ago. Everyone was saying, holy shit, and they were horrible. So, but it was entertaining. now we get to see if Philly uh,

ends up with Leo Carlson. But a great show. Um, we will be back to you next week. We love you all. And, uh, G says Stanley Cup is awarded in June. You definitely win it in the summer.

So that's fair. I guess that. Well, he just got me there. He got me there. He wants to get that tech. You don't win it in July. I'll rephrase.

Are you, are you saying that based on the moves these GMs are making? Yeah. I'm saying that Nashville a couple years ago, fucking Nashville got Stamco's Marshall So, it's like, here come the Preds and they didn't make the playoffs. So it's all I'm saying, this. It's all I'm saying.

Love you all. Yeah, good snapping it. 1125 right now. US lost. R.A. was world. We love you, buddy. We'll talk to everyone next week. Peace. Duceus.