Spooked - Jorge's Gift

Episode Date: June 14, 2024

Jorge's grandfather was a wise, gifted man with the ability to see things others can only feel. When he passed away, he left Jorge with a legacy that he was not ready to handle.Thank you, Jorge & Alej...andra, for sharing your story with Spooked.Produced by Chris Hambrick, original score by Yari Bundy, artwork by Teo Ducot  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:01 Pease porch hot, peas poured coal, hide it all inside the pot like you've been told. Some like the rot, others like the mold, but no one sees inside the pot till they pay gold. Listening to Spoot, Stay. A wild battle, my boy was tiny, he's two years old. I got out of bed. Quiet, quiet, start getting ready for work. not quite enough to hear my boy
Starting point is 00:00:58 plop out of his bed what you doing you need to get ready for work okay I take him in the shower with me soap is both up dry his both off set him down
Starting point is 00:01:12 and he runs off to get ready daddy okay I put on some jeans and a t-shirt I look over and he's putting on a flash superhero costume I'm going to pick up my laptop
Starting point is 00:01:26 and he reaches over to pick up his plastic sword I turn to leave the house and he turns to leave the house with me boy where you think you're going looks to me like I'm simple going to word I look at him in his superhero outfit a red mask with eye sockets
Starting point is 00:01:50 shoes that light up a cape What is it you do at work? I do what daddy do. And honestly, I want to laugh and cry at the same time. All right, well, if you're coming with me, probably want to bring an extra sword. Spook stars. Watching.
Starting point is 00:03:25 Even when you think they're not watching, especially when you think they're not watching. That's when they're watching. Now today, Jorge and his mother Alejandra, they have a shared love, a shared love for their family's patriarch. I was very close with my grandfather. In fact, I lived with them for a number of years. He holds a lot of honor, the bedrock to my dad's family. I was named after him.
Starting point is 00:04:24 Phil, Jorge's grandfather, was a very big. really good person. He upset me and his family protects me. I don't have at that time a lot of support for my family. We were like looking for a name and he's like, just call him Jorge, how he feel. And I was like, okay, yeah, I like it. When I was four years old, my grandfather became very ill and passed away. My mom, my dad and I go to Mexico City to attend the funeral. We stay at a relative's house. A couple nights after the funeral, I was taking a bath. And I had like three or four toys in the bathtub.
Starting point is 00:05:20 But my favorite toy was a Mickey Mouse doll. I loved him because he was the biggest one. I hold him from behind his neck and just make him walk around. He's doing Mickey things and he's interacting with the other toys. And I decide that I'm done with the bath. And I'm walking down the hall and my mom says, hey, go back into the restroom and pick up your toys because I don't like you leaving them in the bathtub. And so I turn myself around and I go into the bathroom and I don't even make it past the doorway. Right in front of me about maybe four feet is this little girl.
Starting point is 00:06:07 She's standing in the middle of the bathroom. her hair is extremely dark and it just kind of parted down the middle and it just kind of comes down. Her skin looks cold to the touch. It looks grayish. There's some sort of blueish to it. And she just looks like she's not alive.
Starting point is 00:06:26 She has a white dress on. This dress is dirty. And she's about my age. She's about my height. She has these black eyes and she's just staring at me. But I realized that she's holding my Mickey Mouse doll, and she's holding it by the arm, and it's just hanging there.
Starting point is 00:06:52 Oh my God, this is real. This is not just my imagination. She's holding my toy. I turn around, run down the hall as fast as I can, screaming at the top of my lungs. I can see my mom in the master bedroom, and I run to her and I'm just like,
Starting point is 00:07:13 Mom, there's a little girl in the bathroom. There's a little girl in the bathroom. There's a little girl in the bathroom. I was very, very scared. So I got him and I went to the restroom to check. Of course, it was nothing. When we go into the bathroom,
Starting point is 00:07:33 Mickey is not where I left him. I left him in the bathtub with the rest of my toys. Mickey is out of the bathtub. Mickey is on the floor. He was crying. He was shaking and just try to comfort him and say that everything is going to be okay. You're safe.
Starting point is 00:07:58 So my mother, she acts less surprised. She has a kind of let me know if there's anything else that happens to you type of attitude. But she doesn't probe any further. This is the first time I've ever experienced anything like this. I don't want to think about this because I don't want to think about this because I'm, I am so scared. I never played with Mickey after that. I put it in the back of my mind
Starting point is 00:08:23 and just, you know, keep on trying to catch lizards and play and run around. Shortly thereafter, though, that was maybe first grade. We live in California in an apartment in Costa Mesa, a little beach community. It's a two-story apartment. I'm in the apartment with my aunt
Starting point is 00:08:48 who was babysitting me because my mom's working. I'm going up the stairs and I walk into the master bedroom and I just see two bodies on the floor. One of them is a white guy and the other guy is a black guy. And the black guy is on his back facing up. And the white guy is just facing the ground. His face is buried into the carpet. And they're covered in blood. I know I'm not looking at people that are alive.
Starting point is 00:09:29 I know I'm looking at people that are dead. And I just feel like I need to get out of there. Like I am in danger. My stomach is up. I can't breathe. I get chills. And I just yell. I turn around and I go down the stairs.
Starting point is 00:09:48 And my aunt runs up to me. And she says, what's wrong? And I says, there's two guys up there and they're dead. And there's two guys. They're dead. She just grabbed my arm, grab me by the hand, and said, let's get out of here. We ran outside and sat on the curb and waited for my mom to come home. We met with her outside the apartment, and my aunt told her, hey, he had another situation.
Starting point is 00:10:18 Explain to your mom what you saw. Jorge was crying, and then he was to hug me and say, like, Mom, there's two guys. They're dead. because I'm very spiritual and believe in angels and ask God for protection and ask my angels, come with me, let's go and check. All three of us head back towards the apartment
Starting point is 00:10:44 and my mom is leading the pack. She's the one that opens the door. I go to the living room and I sit on the couch and both my mom and my aunt go upstairs to check the bed. bedrooms. So I went and checked upstairs in the room. Of course nothing, but the energy was like a little heavy. And I did what I have to do for protection, grab my garlic and ask them to go and always praying. My little rituals to protect my house. I was like thinking I was going on. What happened? Something probably happened here. I don't know. I find out that talking with the neighbor,
Starting point is 00:11:43 This lady mentioned that in the house that was people selling drugs. She never mentioned that someone dead or anything. But she was like, oh, yeah, I don't know what happened to them, but a lot of cops came and blah, blah, blah. And like, oh, so I decided to move out. I don't want to be in a place that if my son experienced something in their bedroom, I went to look for another apartment, another place. Let's get out of here.
Starting point is 00:12:20 Soon after, my mother sits down in front of me, and she tells me she has something to tell me. She says, which means you can see things, things that other people cannot see. She told me the story was very early on in my life. My grandfather was a clairvoyant, and there is the sense that I now experience things
Starting point is 00:12:47 that are supernatural, because I was named after him. He had a guide that was a spirit, and the name is Alcon Dorado. He was one of those that he can sit down and closing the eyes, and the spirit came into his body, and he started talking. When poor his grandfather was sitting with Alcon Dorado talking, someone present like, okay, this is Alejandra, and he's like, yeah, yeah, and his part.
Starting point is 00:13:21 but he was using different words in Spanish, like different language. I didn't even know that I was pregnant. And he said that I have a baby and was a boy. All this was new for me and was only 15 years old. My mom and my dad lived in a little Casita behind my grandfather's house. He was like a week old. We were sleeping in the room. his dad and I is very small twin bed
Starting point is 00:13:58 and the baby was in the middle there was this smell that I never I don't know it was a very bad smell the baby started crying very very loud like screaming and then try to get up and turn out the lights that was just right there in the wall next to me
Starting point is 00:14:21 and I did it but there was no light at all. We can see that was electricity outside but not in the room. I felt the time stopped. It feels like very heavy. Everything was so dark.
Starting point is 00:14:44 The lights came back and then that moment his grandfather came to the room. Phil said that a witch came for the baby. I don't know
Starting point is 00:14:59 how he knew. So we checked the baby and his little hands he have died on here. That wasn't mine. He was mad saying, leave him alone. Get out of here.
Starting point is 00:15:15 This is not your baby, but causing very bad words. He used a liquid that you put in the water and makes like smoke. He was using the water in the room doing this, cousin.
Starting point is 00:15:32 And he asked me, go, go, go, go inside. Go inside the big house with the baby. Phil was like, I don't want you to sleep in that room at least for three nights. He told me that the baby, Jorge, it's going to be a prophet. He's going to have a gift. And I have to take him to this temple to present him to everybody. So that way, he's going to have protection. Two days later, we went to the altar.
Starting point is 00:16:07 Phil was with us and hurt his grandma, her his dad, myself, the baby. It's like a church. They have the little chairs. And that was the pastor on the front. And that was like 18, 20 people. And everybody knew that I was there with the baby. and everybody was so happy everybody that were talking about
Starting point is 00:16:36 they can see things because all the spirits who were there to welcome the baby, the prophet and for me was like, I don't see anything but they're like, oh yeah, they're here and the chairs. They asked me to go to the front but I didn't. I keep my baby all the time with me.
Starting point is 00:16:57 Nobody else touched my baby, no, nothing. they asked me to go back when the baby was like seven years old. So that way they can open his eyes and that way he can start helping people. I was like weird for me. Like, no, I don't want to be around that. After what happened in the restaurant with a little girl, I don't want him to go with that his whole life. I don't want to take him and open the eyes.
Starting point is 00:17:32 For me, I was like, no, I want my son to be normal. I'm sitting and listening to her intently as she just walked me through this story of why I'm experiencing these things. She was very neutral about it. You have this ability and there's nothing wrong with you, but you're just different. All of a sudden, I realized that I'm going to continue being scared because this is going to be with me for the rest of my life. life. After that, I'm expecting for things to happen, but nothing happens for several years. I don't bring anything up, and my family doesn't bring anything up either. When I'm 16 years old, my best friend was over. I had told him about my experiences, but he doesn't believe in that
Starting point is 00:18:33 kind of stuff. I'm standing in front of a wall because we have a stereo that's about, you know, it comes up to my chest. And so I'm looking straight ahead. Because I'm playing with the stereo to my right, I see a little girl run by. And she has black hair, just swishes by me. She runs from my parents' room to my room, and she was super close, less than a foot away. I recognize the dress that she's wearing.
Starting point is 00:19:06 It's the same dress from the little girl that I saw when I was Mexico. My whole life, I'm like, okay, when's it going to happen again? And when she does run past me, it's like the other shoe dropping. Oh my God, it's here. It finally happened. Cairs are standing. My stomach is dropping. I know that there's no one home.
Starting point is 00:19:30 I know that my sister's not home. I know that my parents are home. My friend doesn't know that. And I say, hey man, can you go grab my little sister? She just ran into the room. Just because I really wanted to be my little sister. my friend goes into the room, and it must have been maybe five seconds. And he comes out, and he's pale, and he's like, dude, there's nobody in there.
Starting point is 00:19:56 And I was like, but you saw someone run in there? And he goes, yes. I'm like, well, now do you believe me? Like, now do you believe my stories? And he's like, yeah, no, I believe you now. This one morning, I'm having breakfast. And my grandma, who now lives with us in California, comes out of the room. And she says, I was scared last night.
Starting point is 00:20:23 I'm sitting there and I say, well, what happened? And she goes, well, last night, when your mom was at work, your sister's in the room with me, I heard your little sister's piano going off in the middle of the night. There ain't nobody out in the living room. And she doesn't want to go out there and check. My mom's not back from work. It's not anyone that's playing with the little piano out there. My grandma is scared because she knows what's going on.
Starting point is 00:20:52 She knows that she has this grandson that can see things. I feel guilty to some degree because I don't say anything to her that can make things any better. Another morning, it's one of the days where my mom had the day off. And she comes out and she goes, I was scared last night again. I asked what happened. And she goes, I came home from work and it was late. And I decided to take a shower. And, you know, she's taking.
Starting point is 00:21:22 taking a shower and she hears a little girl call for mom to say, mom, right outside the shower. And she didn't hear the door open. My little sister, for sure, is not awake. And if she is, she's with my grandma. So she's curious as to see, is this my daughter? She peels a curtain back and there's no one there. And so my mom freezes because she realizes that, oh my God, it's happening. again, here we go. We have these conversations, usually around the breakfast table, because they
Starting point is 00:22:01 happen at night, and we're Spanish speakers, and so we say, massustadon, which means they scared me. And so we come to accept that there is this little girl that's following not only me, but my family around. We tied this to the little girl that I saw when I was four. That was a defined moment in my life. It must be that. But something maybe I'm crazy. But I think I know, her name is Claudia. And until she has something to do with Phil, I don't know why, but I think was his, I haven't had that name forever. Years ago, Jorge was a baby. He was like maybe eight months old. And I His grandmother got pregnant.
Starting point is 00:23:11 I was just Jorge and they said in the house. And she started screaming. So we went to the hospital and she taught us a baby. This is when my grandma says, hey, you have to connect with her. You really need to talk to her. This was revolutionary to me because I've always been scared of ghosts. You see a ghost, you try to avoid him. I'm like, what do you mean?
Starting point is 00:23:34 She goes, yeah, next time. time you see her, you have to ask her what she wants. Everyone's tired of this. You're the guy with this ability. Use it. It's frustrating because I'm a 16-year-old kid. I want to go out there and play soccer and, you know, do what 16-year-old boys do. This isn't fair. This is something that has been put on me, and it's not something I asked for. But I'm still expected to try to fix this. My family is scared. There's always a light on at our house. I didn't have friends come over, you know, besides the one that knew the deal. My little sister, we have all her birthday parties at my uncle's house. There's no Christmas celebration in our house. There's no anything at our house. I don't want to
Starting point is 00:24:34 keep on feeling like this. I want it to stop. I don't want to continue being scared for the rest of my life because I know that this is going to keep on happening. So I reluctantly agree that, okay, next time I see something or next time my grandma hears something, I'm going to walk on out there and I'm just going to talk to it. A couple nights later, I'm asleep and I'm dreaming. And in my dream, I'm standing on a hill and I'm overlooking the sunset. I'm like, what am I doing here? And I looked down and who do I see?
Starting point is 00:25:16 I see the little girl, the same little girl that I've been seeing in Mexico City and that I saw in my apartment here in California. She was still wearing that little dress and she still had her black hair. She was just staring up at me, kind of like, hey, we're here. I wasn't scared. I felt comfortable. She didn't look dead anymore. She had a good color and she didn't look tired. She didn't have that gray-blueish skin.
Starting point is 00:25:48 She just looked alive. I'm very aware of the mission that I have at this point. I know that I'm in a dream. I know that I'm supposed to talk to her. And so that's when I was like, okay, I need to ask her what's going on. We don't verbally say anything. It's just this like telepathic communication. And I ask her, I say, what do you want?
Starting point is 00:26:15 You know, what do you want from us? And with like the sweetest voice, she goes, I just want my mom. Those are the only word she said to me. She didn't like speak them, but like, I hear them. I say, hey, well, she is not your mom. This is my mom. I knew right then and there that she found comfort and the family unity that I had. and she somehow some way wanted to be part of it.
Starting point is 00:26:44 After I told her that that was my mother, that was my mom, it wasn't hers, she was very accepting of it. She understood. She looked at me and just nodded and was waiting for me to say something else. I say, hey, do you see that sunset? All you got to do is just walk down this hill and go straight into that sunset, go straight into that light. She looked at me.
Starting point is 00:27:10 She goes down the hill, walks into the sunset, she turns around as she's about to go into the light and waves at me. I'd say bye to her, and she walks into the sunset. I wake up and I'm just like, holy cow, that really just happened. I feel so relieved. I feel so happy because I was able to help not only her, but like my family. I feel like I took a huge step into filling these shoes that I was given, you know, with this ability. It's the morning.
Starting point is 00:27:56 I didn't tell anyone about it until I knew everyone was awake. Everyone meets out at the table and I said, Mom, guess what? Guess what happened? I saw her last night again. I saw her in a dream. And she was like, was it a nightmare? And I'm like, no, listen. It was this peaceful dream.
Starting point is 00:28:18 This is what she wanted. And this is what she told me. And this is what I told her and why she couldn't have it. She just had this look of like, oh my God. And I told Mom, she's not going to come back. She's gone. She walked into that light. And that's it.
Starting point is 00:28:35 That's the last time we're going to see her. Like, I know it. Everything goes back to being normal around our house. The little girl calling out my mom's name stops. The vibe around the house. is not as heavy anymore. It's more lighthearted. And everyone just breathes a sigh of relief.
Starting point is 00:28:58 I don't know that I'm never going to experience anything again. But I'm a little more ready in case the day ever does come. Thank you, Jorge, and Alejandra, for sharing her story with Spooked. That original score was by Yari Bundy. It was produced by Chris Hembrick. I've got a bit of a strange question. Do you know anyone that has the power to heal, to make sickness and disease disappear? Conversely, do you know someone with power to curse?
Starting point is 00:29:52 Or maybe, maybe someone who can do both. Do you know that person? Do you know of that person? Are you, in fact, that person? Because if so, I need to hear about it and so do millions of spook listeners. email me spooked at snapjudgment.org because there's nothing better than a spook story from a spooked listener. Spook, snap judgment, that org.
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