StarTalk Radio - Cosmic Queries Astrophysics Mashup

Episode Date: November 24, 2017

Delve into this mashup of Cosmic Queries as Neil deGrasse Tyson and an ensemble of comic co-hosts explore the vast wonder of the cosmos including double star systems, black holes, dark matter and anti...matter, the Hubble constant, tidal friction, ET, and much more.NOTE: StarTalk All-Access subscribers can listen to this entire episode commercial-free: https://www.startalkradio.net/all-access/cosmic-queries-astrophysics-mashup/ Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ on Apple Podcasts to listen to new episodes ad-free and a whole week early.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to StarTalk, your place in the universe where science and pop culture collide. StarTalk begins right now. Hi, I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson, your personal astrophysicist, and this week in a special mashup edition, you'll hear a mishmash of some of our favorite moments around a specific topic using a range of expert guests and co-hosts. This week, we've got a potpourri of cosmic queries on astrophysics
Starting point is 00:00:33 just for you. Check it out. William Jesse Miller has a question, and William asked, how does a planet... It's another three-name person. Another three-name person. Maybe they're feeling it with my Neil deGrasse Tyson, so they got to come in with three names. Yeah, I feel that's how they got to get their entree.
Starting point is 00:00:50 William Jesse Miller, go. How does a planet have four suns? Wouldn't some stars be ejected? I thought three or more star system is unstable. How does a planet have four suns? Okay, yeah, sure. So, the universe, if you look up at night, most of the stars you see
Starting point is 00:01:09 are not alone. More than half of the stars in the night sky are multiple, double and multiple star systems. Okay. And so, the solo star, like Earth, like our sun, is I don't want to call it rare, but it's not the most common case in the galaxy. Really?
Starting point is 00:01:28 Yeah. What a surprise that was to the first person with the telescope who looked up and saw, hey, that's not one star, that's two. Oh, it must be a chance alignment of a star in the foreground and a star in the background, they said to themselves. Then they looked around and they said, wait a minute, way, too many stars are close to each other than statistics, than the randomness of stars in the galaxy should allow. If you just randomly throw stars up on the sky,
Starting point is 00:01:55 how often are they that close to one another? It should be rare, yet it was common. So the original research paper did this statistical calculation and concluded this must be real. There must be actual double stars up there. Hey, there's a triple star.
Starting point is 00:02:11 There's a quadruple star. You keep looking, whoa, we have a whole cluster of stars. A beehive of stars. In fact, there's an actual cluster called the Beehive Cluster. And all these stars orbiting a common center of gravity.
Starting point is 00:02:25 Yes, occasionally you get an ejected star because not all orbits are stable when you have all this action. But there is what we call a parameter space where, think this through, right? Two stars orbiting close to one another, it's a tight orbit. Now you pull one out a little kind of far,
Starting point is 00:02:42 have that orbit that pair. It's orbiting so far away, it thinks it's orbiting one star. Wow. So that's stable. Okay. Now you get a fourth one, pull it far away. Make it so far away, it thinks it's orbiting sort of one gravity field. The questioner is right.
Starting point is 00:03:01 Jesse's right. When you orbit really close, the path, what path are you going to take? Right. Who are you next to now? Something different tomorrow. That could be hugely turbulent, hugely unstable to the orbits within the system. But you can configure a system where you have a whole set of stable orbits and everybody's happy. You know another set of stable orbits?
Starting point is 00:03:23 A pair of stars here and a pair of stars there and those pairs orbit each other. Aww. Right? Isn't that cute? Like dancers. So that'd be a double-double star. A double-double star. And they're actual stars in the night sky visible to the naked eye that are double-double. I feel like I'm ordering Tim Hortons coffee. That's great.
Starting point is 00:03:39 So now I'm thinking about it. The question was how does a planet orbit safely around four suns? That's what the question that's what his question actually asked. I'm thinking about it. The question was, how does a planet orbit safely around four suns? That's what his question actually asked. I'm talking about how do you get four stable suns to begin with? Oh, yeah. So now, if a planet were among the stars, it's not stable. It'll fly away.
Starting point is 00:03:58 The planet will fly away. Yeah, if the planet is orbiting within the orbits of the stars themselves, it's going to fly away. So you're saying the planet is commitment phobic? It's totally commitment phobic. It needs one sort of committed feeling. So it can't be big love. It's got to go in one direction. So in Star Wars, where they have the double sunset planet, the double sunset, those two stars are close enough to each other,
Starting point is 00:04:19 and the planet is far enough away from both. So it executes one orbit around both. Okay. That's how you pull this off. But four? Not going to work. If you can start moving in and out, what's your allegiance? As you get pulled to one star versus another and wreak havoc on the planet
Starting point is 00:04:36 and you just get ejected. I have a question from Angie Suave. I love that name. Is she Rico Suave's sister? Sister, absolutely. And she wants to know... I already said it. Rico Suave. How sad is it that we know that?
Starting point is 00:04:49 I know, right? That is so sad. We got to get a life. We're lame. We lost our street cred. Mm-hmm. All right. Could we send a probe of some kind into a black hole?
Starting point is 00:04:58 I realize it would be destroyed, but couldn't it transmit some relevant data at least for a short time on its approach? And have we already done this? We have not already. Excellent question. We haven't already done that. We're not close enough to a black hole
Starting point is 00:05:10 to even think about that experiment. Really? Now, the dangerous part is, suppose a black hole comes our way. Like, first, how would you know it was coming if it's black? Space is black. Well, I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:05:24 So what you have to do is, you look for the distortion of space around it. Right? So you have a star field. If all of a sudden the star field starts looking like a funhouse mirror, run. Run. Okay. Just pack up the planet.
Starting point is 00:05:37 Pack up the planet and get the hell out of that solar system because a black hole is on its way. Most of, just as a quick aside, most of the black holes we know, we detect from, because they're in a binary star system, there's another star adjacent to them being flayed. Love that word. I do. A rare word. It means getting skinned alive, by the way.
Starting point is 00:05:58 Yes, yes. Very Middle Ages. And you're a word person because you tweet word of the week. It's very Middle Ages, right? It's very like Spanish Inquisition. So a black hole can flay an adjacent star. If it becomes a red giant and its outer shells expand too much,
Starting point is 00:06:12 it'll then remove those outer layers and those layers will descend into the black hole. Our X-ray telescopes detect material descending into a black hole that gets heated on its way down because of the friction of the disk that it makes.
Starting point is 00:06:28 It basically gets flush toilet bowl style. And as it descends down, it releases energy that it has from falling, and that energy is very high. It's like X-rays. X-ray telescopes detect black holes in the galaxy. There's none that we know of that are nearby. Lucky for us. Lucky for us. Lucky for us.
Starting point is 00:06:46 But if we did send a probe, yeah, we could get some fascinating data on the gravitational field, the radiation field, and we get it all the way until it hit the point of no return, the event horizon. Ah. I love that. Clearly.
Starting point is 00:07:02 It's a poetic term for the place where you're never coming back. Right. Because within the event horizon, even if you could travel the speed of light, it's not fast enough to escape the gravitational field of the black hole. So there you have it. Is there something, I mean, are there plans to do this? And can we really get some knowledge from this?
Starting point is 00:07:20 Yeah, we could get knowledge, but I'm saying there's no plan. I mean, we don't know our own solar system, much less trying to poke around in a black hole. It's like, stay out of that. Don't play. We've got to choose our play pens and our sandboxes. Don't poke the bear. Until that day comes. If we were to find a black
Starting point is 00:07:38 hole, I'd try to find a way to exploit its gravitational field for the purposes of the production of energy. Nice. That'd be cool. Yeah. Reduce my light bill. That'd be good.
Starting point is 00:07:50 I have a question from Gary Rouse. And I love this. Is there dark matter in my bedroom right now? I love it. Dark energy? Is it inside of me right now? Dark energy is, I guess, but dark matter, I'm not sure about. Also, if the universe is expanding, does that mean that I'm expanding too?
Starting point is 00:08:10 This is a Dexter question. This is, golly. Is there dark matter in you right now? Damn, I got like two minutes left, and I gotta like, I don't know that I can answer all three in two minutes, but I'll try. Okay. Dark matter, we don't know what it is, but we know where we can find it. But I can tell you that if it's in your room, there's not much of it. Dark matter does not interact with our matter.
Starting point is 00:08:34 It doesn't interact even with itself. That's assuming that it's matter at all. So you don't have solid dark matter planets. What does it take to make a planet? Matter has to interact with itself and make molecules and cling together and make rocks and molecules and people and places and things.
Starting point is 00:08:52 Dark matter has no such properties. That's why it's diffuse across the galaxy. We have what's called a dark matter halo around our galaxy. And all the dark matter is scattered into this halo. Huge quantities of matter. I don't even And all the dark matter is scattered into this halo. Huge quantities of matter. I don't even know if it's matter,
Starting point is 00:09:08 but it has gravity. And it's huge. But it's so dispersed. And so, there's not a meaningful amount of it in any localized place that you're going to find. Very antisocial. Very antisocial. And dark energy, that's everywhere you find the vacuum, you have
Starting point is 00:09:24 dark energy. The vacuum of find the vacuum you have dark energy the vacuum of the cosmos itself yeah so and is it when the universe expands are we expanding with it the molecular forces that keep your body together those molecular forces are stronger than the force that's expanding the universe thank goodness so as the universe expands you don't. Neither does our galaxy. Well, until you hit middle age, and then it's all downhill from there. Or the solar system. All righty then. Moving on.
Starting point is 00:09:51 What else you got? All right. This is from Mikael Garbox. About the accuracy of the age of the universe and the Hubble constant, how are we able to refine the 12 to 14 billion year estimate to 13.75 billion? Which, that's really rude. Lenny doesn't like to tell her age. Does the universe really want you to know when that's 13.75?
Starting point is 00:10:16 Where do we go with the estimate? Let me back up. For the longest time, in fact, my entire time as an undergraduate and in graduate school, we didn't know the age of the universe by a factor of two. There was some research that indicated that we might be 10 billion years old. Other research that indicated we might be 20 billion years old. And there were warring camps at every conference. There were the 10 billion year old people, the 20 billion year old people.
Starting point is 00:10:40 What did that fight look like in the lunchroom? What food stuff did we reach to throw at each other? And this all relates to what's called the Hubble Constant. Named in honor of Edwin Hubble, the man, there was a human being that predated the telescope whose name was Hubble. What you say?
Starting point is 00:11:00 Now here's an interesting case. He had an affected British accent. Did he really? Yes, yes. He was so fake and wore all these tweedy things. He smoked a pipe. I love it. Wait, and he was a misogynist racist.
Starting point is 00:11:15 Totally. Well, if you're going to be one, you should be the other. They go together. Two for one. They often go together. And the good thing about science is that none of that's relevant. What matters is how good was his science. In many other walks of life,
Starting point is 00:11:28 you fold all that together and you say the person is reprehensible. I don't want any part of them. I don't want them speaking to my children. And in science, science distinguishes itself from other activities of the human condition for that reason. It's got nothing to do with
Starting point is 00:11:44 culture. That's right. So, he, in the 1920s, discovered that galaxies in the universe were moving away from one another in all directions. And so, you look one direction, they're moving away from you. Look another direction, they're still moving away from you.
Starting point is 00:11:59 I want my space. I'm out of here. I need my space. They're not coming towards you in one direction and away from you in another. They're going away from you in all directions. If you plot this up, the line that is drawn has a slope. The slope of that line is the Hubble constant. And if you know the
Starting point is 00:12:15 slope of that line, you know the age of the universe. Welcome back to StarTalk. This week is a special mashup edition. You're going to hear clips from some of our favorite discussions across the StarTalk network. So let's get right back to it. Okay, okay. Here's one. So Jesse from Vancouver, Canada would like to know this. Given that there is an upper limit or upper speed limit to the universe,
Starting point is 00:13:05 being the speed of light, and a lower speed. It's not just a good idea. It's the law. Buckle up, galaxies. Exactly. You never know. Okay.
Starting point is 00:13:20 And there's a lower speed limit. Oh, by the way, the buckling up, you only buckle up because your car changes speed, not because it exists at any one speed at all. Well, it's the change that's pretty. Change is what will kill you. That's why you can be in an airplane going 600 miles an hour at 39,000 feet,
Starting point is 00:13:38 and they say, you may now unbuckle your seatbelt. Right, because nothing's going to happen. Right, if you maintain your speed, that's not a problem. It's if your speed changes, and that's what your seatbelt is for. Okay, so given there's a lower speed limit, which is the absolute zero temperature, could velocity be considered a dimension like space, length, width, and depth? You have to ask, where are you going to go with that? What are you going to go with that? What are you going to do with that?
Starting point is 00:14:05 Because, for example, you can have a speed, and then I can slow you down with brakes. Did you change dimension? I mean, where are you getting with that? What is the purpose of even having... Thinking about it that way. By the way, creative thinking is highly a good thing in this world. Okay.
Starting point is 00:14:23 But if you do so, ask yourself, is there something you will now be able to explain that you couldn't before? Got you. Because everything we've constructed about velocity and speed and all of this, it's, as Einstein said, or was it his protege, said space tells matter how to move
Starting point is 00:14:42 and matter tells space how to curve. Wow. Yeah, it's deep space how to curve. Wow. Yeah, it's deep. That's a great one. Yeah, it's deep. So, in that sense, it's not your speed, but it's the gravity that's creating the dimensionality of the fabric of space, and you can move within that. So we move within the fabric of space.
Starting point is 00:14:59 So the velocity itself is not, there's no cause to think about it that way. That's all. Got you. But I applaud the exercise. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's very creative thinking. And your answer, Jesse, is dark matter. I'm just saying. I will never answer one question
Starting point is 00:15:13 with something else we don't know anything about. Exactly. See, that's how I do it. No, people do. People say, oh, can we explain this thing in terms of consciousness? We don't know what consciousness is, so just back up.
Starting point is 00:15:24 Right. Give it space. That's funny.. We don't know what consciousness is, so just back up. Right. Give it space. That's funny. But see, you know what? That's a great little cheat, though. It is a cheat. It's a great cheat. It's a complete cheat. Yeah. People do it all the time. Yeah. I mean, listen, because I don't know about this. Well, why don't we think about it in terms of something else
Starting point is 00:15:39 we don't know about? Exactly. That'll answer it. Because that'll answer it, right? That's very funny right all right this is from amanda milligan she says in every documentary where's she from she's from earth she is from earth okay she's just from earth uh in every documentary i have seen lately extraterrestrial life is animal how do you think plant life would evolve outside of our own world or could there be life that exists that could not be classified as either plant nor animal, but still life? There's a famous science
Starting point is 00:16:12 fiction story, and forgive me if I forgot who wrote it, because I don't come in here with notes in anticipation of questions. Well, no, you don't know these questions, so how could you? Right, right. So there's a science fiction story where the aliens came upon Earth and saw that there's a science fiction story where the aliens came upon earth and saw that we there's like muscle tissue right and they go back to their home planet and says they're made of meat because the aliens they're made of some spirit energy right right and we're made of meat right and another thing that we take for granted but but I can imagine an alien life form that would just freak out. Other than salt, other than salt, animals have to kill to consume food.
Starting point is 00:16:54 Other than the consumption of salt. Everything else you eat was once alive. Right. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Unless you live off of milk and honey, right? Those themselves were not going to lie. That's still an animal byproduct. That's an animal byproduct.
Starting point is 00:17:07 You have to kill something. And even the vegetarians are slaughtering carrots. That's right. All right? And slicing them, dicing them up and shredding them. Yes. So the fact that we have to kill other life forms on our own planet for our own sustenance could easily be seen as one of the most barbaric things
Starting point is 00:17:27 to another civilization where they all absorb energy from their host star. Right. Yes. There you have it. Because they're absorbing and not consuming. And they're ingesting. They're not ingesting.
Starting point is 00:17:39 They're an unlimited source of energy from their sun, just like plants on Earth. Right. They don't have to eat anything. There's some that do, of course, but most don't. The Venus flytrap is carnivorous. And what's the other one that eats flies that smells like? A picture plant.
Starting point is 00:17:53 So that one, okay, so they're carnivorous. But all the rest are doing just fine with sunlight. Yeah. And that's an awesome way to live, I think. If I were to evolve the human into another form, I'd evolve us with solar panels on our skin. Nice. Our skin would be one big solar panel.
Starting point is 00:18:07 And that way, getting sunburned, you just recharge your energetics. Yes. I believe they call that Africans. I'm just saying. Last I heard. That's why they're black. Yep.
Starting point is 00:18:20 I say they. Right. I just said that's why they're black. That's so crazy. All right. Megan Morrissey says, hi, I'm showing for the first time an episode of Cosmos in my high school earth sciences class. Give it up for the teachers of the world. There you go.
Starting point is 00:18:40 One of my students just asked me if a ship that is designed like a ship of imagination would actually be able to fly into space, would that be possible? Love your show and thank you. I'm not authorized to say whether I actually own one of these. No, the ship of the imagination
Starting point is 00:19:00 on purpose has mobility through space and time. And that mobility is empowered by my thoughts. So there are no controls. Plus we had a mini discussion with Andruian, who specified in the script that the ship would be impossibly minimalist. Right. So I would not be wearing a badge,
Starting point is 00:19:21 which would imply that I'm captain and you're not. Right. Because you should be able to fly this as well. That's right. So the ship, no, it exists completely in my imagination as your tour guide. So no, there is no attempt to try to make it real. There you go. As there have been with the Starship Enterprise and other sort of sci-fi creations.
Starting point is 00:19:40 So anyway, it's not real or it can't even be imagined to be real. Right. Because it exists to be real. Right. Because it exists in my mind. Nice. As your private tour guide. There you go. All right. This is from Scott and that's all he says.
Starting point is 00:19:52 This is from Scott. I love it. Okay. He says, on your premiere of Cosmos, you mentioned that the moon was pushed away by tidal friction. Can you explain that a little bit further? I had never heard it put like that before. Yeah, pushed is a very visual image, but what's really happening is that it's getting flung.
Starting point is 00:20:17 Flung is a more sort of physically accurate thing. Right. So what's going on is the moon creates a tidal bulge on Earth. Mm-hmm. And so the water that's nearest the moon pulls towards the moon, the moon is pulling
Starting point is 00:20:31 on Earth a little less, and the water that's on the other side of the moon is pulling on even less. So all the oceanic waters form this bulge that's in a direct line
Starting point is 00:20:41 to the moon. Okay? All right. It turns out it's not in a direct line to the moon, okay? Okay. All right. It turns out it's not in a direct line to the moon because Earth is rotating. And we're rotating faster than the moon is turning around it. So we actually drag this bulge ahead of the moon.
Starting point is 00:20:56 Okay. Okay? Okay. So this bulge is actually trying to slow us down. That's why we occasionally add leap seconds to the calendar. Gotcha. And because the bulge is ahead of the moon, Right.
Starting point is 00:21:08 the moon feels a gravitational force ahead of it. And so it wants to go faster in its orbit. Right. And by going faster in its orbit, it ascends to higher distances from Earth. Gotcha. So it's a cosmic ballet choreographed by the forces of gravity. Gosh darn it. That was fantastic.
Starting point is 00:21:30 So the moon is spiraling away about five inches a year from Earth just because of this flinging effect of the leading edge of this tidal bulge. Right. Oh, Mike, that is fascinating because it's like the Earth is a container holding this water. Yes, yes, correct. So instead of lining up with the gravitational pull from the moon, because the Earth is a container holding this water and it's spinning, the water wants to move ahead.
Starting point is 00:21:59 We're dragging the water ahead of the moon. And that costs us our rotational energy to do so. That, God. That's awesome! Oh, my God. That's incredible! It's just physics. I know.
Starting point is 00:22:20 But, you know, I don't do that a lot. I don't do physics a lot. You know what you look like at that moment lot. I don't do physics a lot. You know what you look like at that moment? You look like a double rainbow guy. You remember double rainbow guy? He comes around the corner of the mountain. It's on YouTube. Right, right.
Starting point is 00:22:33 Oh, oh, oh, two rainbows. Oh, oh. And he starts crying. I say, dude, it's physics, okay? Chill out. Oh, my gosh, this is divine. No, it's light, all right? So I don't mean to take away the beauty of this.
Starting point is 00:22:50 By the way, there are other things that are mysteries that we don't understand that are even more beautiful. But I'm saying- Like women. We are in this tango with the moon. Right. Ultimately, when the moon wins, well, it's not gonna win. Ultimately, the moon wants to slow us down so much
Starting point is 00:23:06 that we rotate at exactly the same rate that the moon orbits us. And when that's the case, our tidal bulge will align. We will not be fighting the bulge, and the bulge will not be flinging the moon forward. And the system will be in what is called a double tidal lock. Double tidal lock? Yeah, which was a wrestling move.
Starting point is 00:23:26 Sounds like an outfit. I was going to say, I wanted to invent that move. I used to wrestle. The double tidal lock. I wrestle and I know astrophysics. You know I was trying to invent a double tidal lock wrestling hold, right? Yeah. So at that point, Earth's day will equal the lunar month.
Starting point is 00:23:43 Gotcha. And one side of the Earth will only ever face the moon. Just as today, one side of the moon only ever faces the Earth. Which is why there's never Earthrise on the moon. Right. It's always in the sky if you're on that half of the moon. Gotcha. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:57 That's awesome. Which is why that famous photo called Earthrise, taken by Apollo 8 in December 1968, it's called Earthrise. Because the Earth was rising over the moon. Why? Well, it's because they were orbiting the moon. And they tip-haul up the camera and there's Earth rising. That's how you get
Starting point is 00:24:12 Earthrise. But people thought, oh, Earth rises on the moon, just like the moon rises on Earth. Not. No. Right. That's amazing. Not until the moon wins. Unfortunately, I'm still stuck on double title lock because I'm trying to figure out do you put your legs around the person's neck and then you're hanging off of their back
Starting point is 00:24:28 and then you grab both their knees and then you whip it? I'll show you off camera. I'll show you. I never perfected it, but I had the ideas of one. It was good. That's pretty cool. Because what happens is you face your opponent
Starting point is 00:24:43 and then I swing you until you're out of balance and then take you down while I'm still facing you. Because in a double title lock, both sides of the orbs are facing one another no matter what they do. So the idea is to get the person still facing you, and then... As I swing and take them down.
Starting point is 00:24:59 Yeah. Yeah, that's fantastic. Maybe get a quick one in before the break. All right. Okay, go. All right, here's a good one, man. Yeah. Will the sky look different if we Okay, go. All right, here's a good one, man. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:10 Will the sky look different if we are all standing on another planet, constellations and such? So if I'm on another planet in this solar system, do I see the same sky? Yes. What? You heard what I said. You said yes. Yeah. So here's, it's a simple answer, okay? So the extent of our solar system is like from the sun to Neptune.
Starting point is 00:25:29 Get over it. No, if you look at the planets. So basically, we're such a small little part. Exactly, exactly. We're not going to change the frame of reference. Exactly. So if you look at the width of the solar system, it's like 10 light hours reference. Exactly. So if you look at the width of the solar system, it's like 10 light hours across.
Starting point is 00:25:47 Okay. It would take a beam of light 10 hours to cross the solar system. That's big. That's a long time, especially going at the speed of light. Right. However, as you look at the nearest stars,
Starting point is 00:25:59 the stars that comprise the constellations, they are hundreds of light years away. So if you just shift your head 10 light hours, you know, the stars don't mean a damn thing. They're the stars. So you've got to start moving among the stars to change your perspective on the constellations for them to take on other shapes. Welcome back to StarTalk. Here's more of this week's mashup. More Emily Care, boss.
Starting point is 00:26:46 At Emily Care. I don't understand what that means. So it's at Emily Care, which is an old age home for only women named Emily. What are the frontiers of research in astrophysics right now? Oh, right now we're looking for dark matter. We don't know what is causing 85% of the gravity of the universe. We don't know what is making the... of the gravity of the universe. We don't know what is making the... Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:06 I'm not even done. And there's a pressure in the vacuum of space making the universe accelerate in its expansion against the wishes of all the galaxies that it contains. If you add up dark matter and dark energy, it is 96% of all that is driving the universe. And we haven't a clue what they are. Dark side is winning. It's Star Wars. The dark side
Starting point is 00:27:28 is definitely winning. Winning this contest of knowledge. Something's out there just pulling. Yes, and we don't know what it is,
Starting point is 00:27:34 but we can measure it. What does it have to do with... We don't know. I don't know. I can't even... I don't even... We shouldn't even...
Starting point is 00:27:39 I've said, we shouldn't even call it dark matter, dark energy. That implies we know it's matter and energy. We don't even know what the hell it is.
Starting point is 00:27:44 It's evil though. We know it's evil and it. We don't even know what the hell it is. It's evil, though. We know it's evil, and it's out there, and it's pulling. Because it's dark. Creating stretch marks on the universe. Those are two, and we're looking for life in the universe, life on Mars, life in Europa. You're saying go for it, and Hawking is like, no. This could be probably microbial. I don't think there's intelligent life lurking
Starting point is 00:27:59 in caves on Mars, but life at all would be a boon to biology. They find water bits on Mars? Yeah, but not intelligent life. That's different. Yeah. I think it's a little rude to call them intelligent. It's a jump.
Starting point is 00:28:11 I think it's a little myopic. It's a jump to go from oozing water to intelligent life with civilizations. Well, you haven't been to Hollywood, so your definition of intelligent is not the same as others. Yeah, so I would say that. Plus, on the biological side, which affects the search for life, we don't know how to turn organic molecules into self-replicating life. That transition, which Earth did, apparently without any issues.
Starting point is 00:28:34 Without any help. Without any help. So we don't know how to do that yet. So that's an interesting frontier. Once you figure that out, you can better decide what planet it might be happening on. Right. Yeah. Well, there's your decide what planet it might be happening on. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:45 Hey, well. Yeah. There's your answer. Bring it on. Care for only Emily's. Okay. What else do you have? Another one.
Starting point is 00:28:52 What is antimatter? Do we have access to it? That question by Andrew Sinclair on Facebook. I wonder if these are people who have labs in their basement and they want to become like. How do I get access to it? Do you need to buy some Sudafed? What is antimatter... How do I get access to it? You need to buy some Sudafed? What is antimatter? How do I get my hands on some?
Starting point is 00:29:08 So as far as we have been able to measure, all particles of matter have an exact replica of those particles, except they're made of what we call antimatter. The doppelganger. Which if they come together, they will completely annihilate and turn into pure energy. And so,
Starting point is 00:29:28 and it's not just, we discovered it first. It was not science. Science fiction does some stuff first. We did this first. Right. Right. We came up with antimatter, predicted its existence, discovered it. How do you discover it? Oh, so it's the product of other reactions. So you have regular
Starting point is 00:29:44 matter, you smash particles apart, and in the particle stream you see antimatter. And the antimatter doesn't last very long. You see antimatter. Well, because then it annihilates. Is it a shadow? Yeah, you know, you see its path through, like the cloud chambers and things. You see the path that it had traveled. What about through soil?
Starting point is 00:29:59 You're still worried. You want to store it. I'm very worried about the nuclear reactions going through soil. So it is real, and it would be matter, anti-matter. Engines would be the most powerful engines, the most efficient engines we would ever know how to make if you're traveling through space because you start with matter and then you have pure energy. And if you know your car that you drive, you said a Civic or you were joking about a Civic. What is it? It's like only 20 or 30% at most of the energy of the gas you put in the engine is going to move your car forward. The rest gets dissipated as heat.
Starting point is 00:30:30 That's why your car gets hot when you drive it. Imagine if all that energy went in to propel your car. You'd be going 200 miles an hour. Harnessing energy. Harnessing energy is all about it. Expended energy. All about that. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:30:40 And if all of your matter becomes energy, you got it. There you go. Who do you think will win in the race to harnessing antimatter first, us or the Russians? Why do you have Russians on the brain? Don't make me talk about this. You want the Cold War to come back? What do I? I don't think it ever left.
Starting point is 00:30:56 We have more resources than the Ruskies do. So maybe it's us. She said it. Dasvidaniya. All right. Let's go to a lightning round. Okay. Try to get as many questions as I can, and I'm going to answer in sound
Starting point is 00:31:06 bites. Okay. Are you ready? Go. Do I say the name of the person? Just read fast. Okay. What is complete stillness?
Starting point is 00:31:13 Would you be slingshotted to the end of time? Would you be ripped completely from existence? If you were completely still? What is complete stillness? Complete stillness, as far as I know, would have nothing to do with you traveling through time or being cast out to the edge of existence. Also the name of a yoga studio. And in fact, nothing is completely still. There are vibrations at all levels and even at all temperatures, including absolute zero. That's true. Matter vibrates. Next. If there... By the way, it just vibrates more if it's hotter. But even at absolute zero,
Starting point is 00:31:45 quantum fluctuations create vibrations in matter. And at the smallest level. Exactly. Go. If there was no comet to wipe out the dinosaurs, how much harder would it be for mammals and eventually intelligent life to thrive? Could we maybe get intelligent dinosaurs? Okay. So, great question.
Starting point is 00:32:00 So, here's the thing. Our mammal ancestors were running underfoot to T-Rex, trying to avoid being consumed as hors d'oeuvres. So if the comet didn't come, the asteroid didn't come, it's not clear we would have evolved to anything unless we were on a completely separate continent where the dinosaurs couldn't swim and then eat us. Then it's possible that we could evolve intelligence
Starting point is 00:32:21 completely separately while there were major dinosaurs existing on another continent. And when columbus sets across continents yeah he would have just gotten eaten that would have there was like hats on like welcome yeah you ever seen the way an iguana looks at you like it knows something it's like it could have been us next all right um all right uh so could dinosaurs involve intelligence? Not likely. Their brain cavities didn't look like, yeah, too small. Okay, next.
Starting point is 00:32:49 Bunch of jerks. Go. Okay. Is Earth gaining mass from space dust and impact rocks or losing mass from evaporating gases and launching space probes? What effects would this have on GPS satellite? Excellent question. So we are gaining three approximate, anywhere between 200 and 400 tons of meteor dust a day, which vastly exceeds spacecraft that we send out or lost evaporated particles in the atmosphere. So Earth is gaining mass daily. Consequences, that would be it is not any worse than an elephant collecting a gnat.
Starting point is 00:33:24 Wow, that's small. Oh, wow. It's that small. Yeah, or it's less. It's less than that. These questions are more just me trying to, I have no idea what I said when I read it. Okay. It's just me trying to look like I know what's going on.
Starting point is 00:33:33 I cannot process this. Okay, 20 seconds. Okay. Let's do it real quick. Even if we somehow discovered the tech to travel at or faster than light, would passengers of the vehicle survive? So, it's not, the issue is not how fast you go, it's what is your acceleration.
Starting point is 00:33:45 Acceleration is what kills you. Deceleration is what kills you. All right? So, in a plane, you're going 600 miles an hour. And you're just fine sipping tea. Speed doesn't kill you. Speed has never killed you. It's all about acceleration.
Starting point is 00:33:58 And I actually wrote a little essay for Motor Trend magazine on acceleration. Who doesn't get that? Who isn't subscribing to Motor Trend Magazine? And I said, you know, it's not all about the speed. It's all about the acceleration because that's what you feel, and that's the feeling of going fast, whether or not you actually are. That's right. So, no, go as fast as you want and enjoy.
Starting point is 00:34:21 Go as fast as you want from Neil deGrasse Tyson. Don't wear a seatbelt and enjoy your life. That's not what I said. Pretty sure that's what you just said. Fist bump out of this. Eliza Schlesinger. Still an issue, huh?
Starting point is 00:34:31 Yeah. We are back on StarTalk. We're back. Cosmic Queries Edition. And I got Godfrey here. Hey, man. Studio. What's up?
Starting point is 00:34:42 Godfrey tweeting at Godfrey Comedian. Yes, that's right. That's a lot of characters to give up to your Twitter handle. Is it? Godfrey here. Hey, man. What's up? Godfrey tweeting at GodfreyComedian. Yes, that's right. That's a lot of characters to give up to your Twitter handle. Is it? GodfreyComedian. It's the only way. That's the only way. I wanted to be as simple.
Starting point is 00:34:52 You can shorten it and just say God. No. I cannot do that. Thou shalt not do that. I would say, well, lowercase g. Okay. Lowercase. Because people will come up to me and go, oh, do they?
Starting point is 00:35:03 And they do it like in an arrogant? Do they call you God for sure? You know what I mean? I'm like yes, they do Yes, yes, they do and you're a sinner. Yes. Are you ready? So these are cosmic phenomena? I haven't seen the question so bring them on it bring them on so I'm bringing you Let's see what I'm gonna see what you get. I'll see what I got here Joshua Shoop from Twitter. Okay.
Starting point is 00:35:29 Aliens are so far away, they can see our entire history as it's happening. Is that why they don't want to come here? Yes. Next question. Just let me clarify why that would be the case. Yes. Next question. Okay. Well, just let me clarify why that would be the case. Yes. If you are at any distance from anything you're looking at, you see it not as it is, but as it once was. I see you not as you are, but as you were four billionths of a second ago.
Starting point is 00:35:57 Whoa. So light takes about a nanosecond to go a foot. A nanosecond to go a foot. A nanosecond to go a foot. Wow. A billionth of a second. So you're about four feet from me right now. Right. I see you as you once were, four billionths of a second to go.
Starting point is 00:36:11 So now let's put a civilization in Alpha Centauri, the nearest star system to ours, that's four light years away. Right. You're four light nanoseconds away from me. Right. Alpha Centauri is four light years away. Right. You're four light nanoseconds away from me. Right. Alpha Centauri is four light years away. So anybody there is watching, if they could get our signals, they would be seeing Earth. What was going on four years ago? There was another campaign for president.
Starting point is 00:36:43 Obama was smashing that dummy. What is he talking about? What's that dummy's name? Oh, that Mormon guy. It's that guy's name. No, he's so bad. Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney.
Starting point is 00:36:55 You could see him getting pummeled by Obama. Well, okay. So he loses. So they would be watching the last few weeks of that campaign. Ah. Right? In real time. In real time.
Starting point is 00:37:07 As it was unfolding. Because the light is just arriving at them at the time. Wow. Okay. So now, if you go farther, so here you go. There are galaxies that might be six, there is one, 65 million light years away. Why did I pick that number? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:22 Because the stuff that was happening here on Earth 65 million years ago is only now just reaching them. It's just reaching them? Just reaching them. So they're gonna say, hey let's check out Earth TV, the Earth's channel. There you go. I mean that's my Tyrannosaurus. Is that your T-Rex imitation? Exactly. So I'm sure that's what they sounded like. And so they would see the extinction of the dinosaurs because that's when the asteroid struck. The meteor. The meteor struck. The meteor struck. The size of Mount Everest.
Starting point is 00:37:57 So that's what they would be seeing. They would watch that in real time. So there's a lot of interesting history on Earth that shouldn't preclude alien visitation. At least maybe they visited the dinosaurs. And then you could ask why didn't they help them out? If they were really checking. So I was thinking they wouldn't
Starting point is 00:38:15 come because of Trump. No? Nothing? But Trump is a very recent phenomenon that has not had enough time to reach any planets beyond our own solar system. Can you imagine? So there's no understanding of recent current events to any aliens anywhere in the galaxy. I don't want to trump you, but I go, wrong.
Starting point is 00:38:39 That's what he did the whole time. Wrong. Wrong. So that's interesting. I didn't see. You would actually see the dying of the dinosaurs, the extinction of the dinosaurs. Wrong. Wrong. So that's interesting. I didn't see. You would actually see the dying of the dinosaurs, the extinction of the dinosaurs. Yeah, yeah. That is cool.
Starting point is 00:38:50 So, yeah, so they would have access depending on their distance. Okay. They would have access. So what are some events? So let's say, what's a good example? World War I and World War II, pretty tragic times in the history of the Earth, 70, 80, 100 years ago. And they might say these people have messed up. Right.
Starting point is 00:39:11 And say we will not come anywhere near. This is, in summary, aliens have never visited because, according to them, there's no sign of intelligent life on Earth. Wow. There it is. There it is. Yeah. You got it. Okay, I think you nailed that. All. There it is. There it is. Yeah. You got it. Okay.
Starting point is 00:39:26 I think you nailed that. All right. I think, okay, I got one. It's called kneeling it, by the way. What did you say? It's called kneeling it. I kneeled it. Oh, you kneeled it?
Starting point is 00:39:34 Oh. I just got you. Did you just slow? I thought Canadians were faster than that. Well, no, because I'm looking at you from some light years away. Oh, oh, oh. So it hit me. Okay, good comeback.
Starting point is 00:39:48 You get one time delay comeback per show. So I'm watching you from a couple light years. Okay, okay, all right. You get one of those per show. Wow, slow. So maybe people are slow because of light years. They're not really here yet. So there's no such thing as being mentally slow it's just their perspective is kind of okay stop there
Starting point is 00:40:11 yeah all right I have another question cosmic phenomena bring it on this is by William Morris Facebook okay what's a hen way about two to three pounds next born yesterday just wanted to see that what's a henway there's no science behind that huh that's it next we should call the first warp drive a henway so that wherever they land, they say, we got to fix the henway. We got to fix the henway. What's a henway? You could run that joke clear across the galaxy. That was awesome.
Starting point is 00:40:54 So, Chuck, we are in the five-minute warning zone. This means, you know what that means. That's right. The lightning round. It's the lightning round. Okay, I will answer questions in soundbite mode to get in as many as we can in the next four minutes. All right, here we go. Go.
Starting point is 00:41:08 This one from Facebook and Paul Bear. Paul Bear wants to know, how is the gravity of the sun strong enough to hold Jupiter into place, but not strong enough to pull the Earth close enough to eat it up? Oh, because Earth is moving faster than Jupiter. And at our speed, at our distance, we are in a safe orbit. If we were moving at the speed of Jupiter, at our speed, at our distance right now, we would fall into the sun. Boom! Bada-bing!
Starting point is 00:41:33 Boom! Bada- Oh. Oh, yeah. There. Okay. There we go. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:41:36 Next. All right. So every orbit, at every distance from the sun, there is one speed that you can sustain and maintain that orbit. Anything less, you fall into the sun. Anything more, you that you can sustain and maintain that orbit. Anything less, you fall into the sun. Anything more, you will go to a higher orbit. Rogue planet. Alright, here we go.
Starting point is 00:41:52 Also from Facebook, Patrick Clark wants to know this. Dr. Tyson, what do you see as the advantages, benefits of permanent human colonization of other bodies in the solar system? What resources do places like the moon and NEAs hold? And how could we harness and use them efficiently?
Starting point is 00:42:08 Oh, so NASA has a whole new branch of itself called ISRU, In-Situ Resource Utilization, which is NASA speak for when you get there, find your own damn food. Damn, man. That's rough. So you got to look ahead. Is there water there? Is there natural resources?
Starting point is 00:42:29 Can you seed the soils in a way to grow plant life? Is there enough sunlight? So right now, there's nothing like Earth out there. And so if you're going to go, you're going to have to bring a whole lot of Cheetos. There's something to keep you fed. So the resource... We developed... Our species exists on Earth, thriving on resources that are native to Earth.
Starting point is 00:42:49 Right. That's why we are okay here. Right. And not okay on the moon or on Mars. So this is a huge challenge. There you go. That we have not yet resolved. Go, next.
Starting point is 00:42:59 All right. There you have it. The answer is click your heels, Patrick. There's no place like home. Nice. All right. Let's see here. That might mean Patrick is wearing ruby slippers. All right. Amanda Dean wants to know this.
Starting point is 00:43:13 Why are some planets in gas form and some in solid? Does this differ in a binary star system? Turns out, would you say Earth is gaseous? No, because it's mostly rock, and then we have this thin layer of atmosphere on it. Jupiter, if you go deep enough, it has a solid middle. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody's got a solid core.
Starting point is 00:43:32 So basically, we're all the same. It's just more atmosphere. More atmosphere, and in Jupiter's case, most of its mass is in the form of gas. I got a fever, and I need more atmosphere. Fantastic. More cowbell. Give me more atmosphere. All right, here's the next question.
Starting point is 00:43:51 This is from Gene. Oh, by the way, Jupiter has a much higher gravity, so it can hold the very light gases, such as hydrogen and helium, that we could not hold. Jupiter is mostly hydrogen and helium. Very light gases, very fast-moving atoms. They can fly out of a weak gravity field as they did for us. Nice.
Starting point is 00:44:07 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So our atmosphere is denser, heavier than Jupiter's atmosphere. We have heavier molecules in our atmosphere. Oh, cool. Because they don't move as fast. So you sound like a chipmunk on Jupiter. Yes, you so would. Awesome.
Starting point is 00:44:20 I never thought that through because I was not going to think I would get out of my spaceship and open my helmet while I was in the atmosphere of Jupiter. But since you've already thought this through, Chuck, that is exactly how it would happen. Time for one more question. Go. You made me choke. So all the Jupiterians sound like Mickey Mouse. Go.
Starting point is 00:44:37 Go. The native Jupiterians. Go. All right. Here we go. This is from Paul F. Aronfsky Jr. Okay. How can we tell what part of planets and the other objects are made of? Paul F. Aronfsky Jr. Okay.
Starting point is 00:44:49 How can we tell what part our planets and the other objects are made of? Ooh. Yeah. This was the birth of modern astrophysics in the late 19th century. We took the spectroscope, the prism, take light, move it through the prism out the other side. It breaks it up into component colors like a rainbow. And in there, you find embedded the fingerprints of the very chemical identity of what it is you are looking at. Boom! Bada-bing!
Starting point is 00:45:11 You've been listening to a Cosmic Queries mashup. I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson, your personal astrophysicist. And as always, I bid you to keep looking up.

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