StarTalk Radio - Cosmic Queries: New Discoveries

Episode Date: April 27, 2014

From cosmic bruises to ion drives to quantum entanglement: astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson and co-host Eugene Mirman answer your questions about recent scientific discoveries. Subscribe to SiriusXM... Podcasts+ on Apple Podcasts to listen to new episodes ad-free and a whole week early.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to StarTalk, your place in the universe where science and pop culture collide. StarTalk begins right now. This is StarTalk. I'm your host, Neil deGrasse Tyson, your personal astrophysicist. In studio with me, the one, the only, the inimitable, Eugene Merman. Eugene, you're such a reliable guy for us. I love coming in. That's how I know so much about space now.
Starting point is 00:00:37 This is going to be our Cosmic Queries edition. Yes. Love these. It's our gift back to our listeners and our fans who send us questions. And they're so avid. I mean, and we can't just let those go. Yeah. We just got to bring them in.
Starting point is 00:00:51 We need to help them understand the world and the space. So Cosmic Queries Edition. All right. And for this one, we're talking about, what's the theme? New discoveries. Things in the news. In the news. Science in the news.
Starting point is 00:01:03 Ripped from the headlines. Science, law, and order. I haven't seen any of these questions before so i might not know some of the answers i'll just tell you yeah skip it go on to the next yeah if you don't know something yeah so uh let's let's let's go for it megan wants to know what number am i thinking of um no megan wants to know i recently read that MIT folks found bruises in the cosmic background radiation indicating regions where our universe may have hit other universes. How can our universe expand forever if there are other universes outside it? Yeah, so you can expand forever if you're in a higher dimension. If you're embedded in a higher dimension, you can expand without anybody ever bumping into anybody.
Starting point is 00:01:43 For example, consider a rubber sheet. And you take a rubber sheet and stretch it. You can make it as big as you want. higher dimension you can expand without anybody ever bumping into anybody for example consider a rubber sheet and you take a rubber sheet and stretch it you can make it as big as you want you can take another rubber sheet put it one inch below that one and stretch that as big as you want two rubber sheet universes stretching forever never colliding never touching but but if it was at a slight angle it would hit each i think what she's saying well what i'm Well, what I'm saying is you, yes, if it's slight, it would hit. But you can even in an even higher dimension. But then it would bounce. In an even higher dimension.
Starting point is 00:02:09 It's just how many dimensions you embed it in. Yeah. A two-dimensional rubber sheet in three dimensions. Yeah, if you tip it, it'll embed it in four dimensions. You can do this forever. Yeah. That's A. B, if you're near another universe, the gravitational effects permeate the boundaries of your universe and can touch another universe.
Starting point is 00:02:29 So, in principle, we could feel the effects of other universes embedded in this higher dimensional space that could be simply the metafabric of the multiverse. Right. So, you're saying ghosts are real and there are people in another universe that happen to live inside your house in a rubber sheet universe. Except I never understood why the ghosts that people see are not naked because it means their clothing is ghost as well. Yeah. Why are they wearing clothing at all? I think because they might be make-believe. Okay.
Starting point is 00:02:58 That's just one theory I have. Plus your outer skin layer is dead and your hair is dead. I mean, if you're a living ghost, why do they have haberdashers? And it's all really little. It's scary little girls. The whole thing doesn't really come together. Next question. Okay.
Starting point is 00:03:14 Silico asks. Is that the cousin of Magneto? I don't know. Yeah. Silico. It's a bunch of nonsense stuff. And now it says Alex from California. That makes more sense.
Starting point is 00:03:24 He's asking, could in the near future entangled particles be used for non-delayed communication over vast distances? Yeah, so what happens in quantum physics is that particles can know about each other instantaneously at a distance. So that if you perturb one particle, the other particle, which is entangled with it, can alter instantaneously faster than the speed of light. Like twins across the world. Exactly. I mean, if you want to get sort of macroscopic about it. Yeah. Twins in the sense that one has a thought and so does the other.
Starting point is 00:03:55 Yeah, and the other is like, why does my hand hurt? It's like because your twin hit her hand in the door. Exactly. Or at least that's people report. Yeah, I'm not giving fake science here. I get that it's not real. So entangled particles communicate with one another faster than the speed of light. It's very well understood.
Starting point is 00:04:11 It's a quantum mechanical. And that's a thing that's real. That's real. It's not just like a dream everyone has. That's real. The problem is if you want to do that in any way that matters to life, like, you know, I don't know. There are two worlds. There's a microscopic world in the
Starting point is 00:04:25 macroscopic world when you talk about macroscopic things and you want them to behave in a microscopic way you want them to behave quantum mechanically it all gets sort of averaged out the problem is you can have particles uh entangled but so are other particles trying to entangle in a different way at a different time and all this becomes a one macroscopic classical physics problem where nobody is doing weird things like what happens in quantum physics. So the big challenge is, can you bridge the gap between the way matter behaves at its smallest scales, exhibiting the tenets of quantum physics and the large scales that we are familiar with interacting? And that there's no known way you can end up doing that. And so right now it's a quantum mechanical curiosity.
Starting point is 00:05:09 Okay. Yeah, you got it. Agreed. But great question. All right. So here's, this is from Michael. I heard that NASA has recently shut down an ion engine. Can you explain what this ion engine is and does and the potential benefits?
Starting point is 00:05:23 Yeah. So an ion drive is what we think of them as you know the big challenge here is chemical rockets are just uh there's so there's this so yesterday yeah there's so 19 there's so robert god somebody could build it in a farm and make a movie about it it's that easy and that dull and old and the problem is not that there's anything wrong with with chemical rockets when they were invented. It's just that 100 years later, you'd think we'd be doing a little better now. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:49 Right? And we're not. We have something more modern, more efficient than a chemical rocket. And a chemical rocket is all the rockets you've ever seen. Yeah. All of them are chemical rockets. They use chemistry, the energy contained in molecules. Right.
Starting point is 00:06:02 Sounds like something that Thomas Edison would have done. And how far have we come from that guy, that dullard? So you have these atoms and they come together as a molecule. And there is energy to be released if you break apart the molecule. That's how all this works. That's how gunpowder works. That's how nitroglycerin works. That's how the rocket engines or the shuttle works.
Starting point is 00:06:25 So it's all chemical energy being released, giving you propulsion. Ion drives are much more efficient. So the, what we call the impulse, the little push, the nudge that the rocket fuel gives you is much higher compared with the mass of fuel you ejected. Mm-hmm. All right? You look at the shuttle rockets and the plume that comes out when this thing launches, the mass of that fuel is huge. It is most of the mass of the shuttle apparatus is fuel. Is that fuel.
Starting point is 00:06:57 Is fuel. So what is an ion engine, though? What is it? An ion engine, what happens is you have a gas and you ionize it. So you strip electrons off of it. You need an energy source to do that. Okay.
Starting point is 00:07:08 And then you set up a device. You use a blow dryer. You set up a device that ejects these little particles out the back of the ship or whatever. There's the opposite direction you want to travel. And so what's called a specific impulse, the impulse from the one little particle that comes out and the recoil of your ship is very high compared with the mass that came out. So a very efficient engine. So when you strip electrons, it creates way more energy.
Starting point is 00:07:33 When you strip electrons and then eject them out at once, which you can do with magnetic fields and this sort of thing, the response to your craft is awesome. The problem is it's not very large. It's efficient, but it's not very large. It's efficient, but it's not very large. So you can only redirect spacecraft
Starting point is 00:07:48 very slowly. Could you make a gun with it? Could you make an ion gun that shot electrons? When we come back, we'll find out if you can make ion guns. StarTalk Radio
Starting point is 00:07:58 Cosmic Queries Edition. We'll be right back. StarTalk Radio. I'm here, Neil deGrasse Tyson with Eugene Merman. So we were talking about an ion engine, but that made me go, can you make an ion gun? Yeah, you know, the questioner asked an honest, simple, innocent question about propulsion through the universe. You have to take the idea and make a gun out of it. Would it be better if I said an ion sword?
Starting point is 00:08:37 That sounds less reasonable. In principle, I suppose you can make an ion. It would be a plasma gun is what it is. You send plasma out at somebody. That sounds great. That sounds like a great plan. If the plasma is hot enough, you can vaporize their clothing and then their skin.
Starting point is 00:08:55 Yeah, in principle. You make it sound so evil. And this will be like on the list of the, you know, protected by the Second Amendment. Yes, exactly. They never envisioned the ion plasma gun that so many hunt bears with. The founding fathers. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:14 Constitutionally protect your right to arm yourself with a plasma gun. Okay, Jim Erickson, he asks, Can NASA give coordinates and a precise trajectory to launch the corrupt and or science ignorant politicians into a black hole? I think even I could answer that. The answer is yes. NASA could give coordinates. The corrupt or ignorant politicians? But the question is actually, can NASA give the coordinates and a trajectory?
Starting point is 00:09:41 So it's like he has a rocket that he just needs. Oh, he doesn't need the rocket. It sounds like he has the rocket, but what he needs is just, he's like, I'm not sure where to send it to the black hole. Like it wouldn't be enough to just send them into space with no way back. We've got coordinates of very many black holes in the galaxy. They're discovered by X-ray telescopes. And so the Chandra X-ray telescope, which is a telescope of magnitude Hubble, except it's specialized in X-rays, not visible light. But people are not as cozy with X-rays as they are with Roy G. Biv, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet.
Starting point is 00:10:15 So, yeah, we have coordinates of black holes, and there's a supermassive one in the center. So if you wanted to send people to it, that's how you do it. However. Yes, what's the limitation there's always a catch the catch is the more we want to send our politicians who are corrupt or ignorant i mean at the end of the day in a democracy who voted for them okay so so maybe it is the population we should be sending into black holes and not the politicians until the population learns how to elect right literate scientifically literate politicians so i've stopped blaming
Starting point is 00:10:49 politicians long ago and blame the uh and as just as an educator my target is the electorate not the politicians that's that's all right right we have a call uh we actually have a caller a caller excellent yeah let's do it let's take this call from San Diego. Okay. And who is it? This is Jeff from San Diego. Jeff, hi. Welcome to StarTalk Radio Cosmic Queries Edition. So what do you got? So my nine-year-old daughter and I want to know, now that Curiosity's been on Mars for
Starting point is 00:11:17 over a year. Wait, that sounds like it's really his nine-year-old daughter who wants to know. Yeah, yeah. He's trying to slide in on her genius. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, Jeff. So now that Curiosity has been on mars for over a year yeah and they found that mars had favorable conditions for microbial life billions of years ago i threw in the microbial life part billions of years ago
Starting point is 00:11:38 do you think we'll find evidence of actual life first on mars on one of the new earth-like planets that they keep finding oh yeah great question so if we life on Mars, it's not going to be like a civilization who's beaming radio waves to us. Right. It won't be someone playing our Elvis record. It's backwards. Backwards. Yeah. Because they don't get how it's meant to be heard. Yeah. So on Mars, it's the microbial life that we're eager to find. And to the biologist, I mean, I'm not a biologist, but I think I can speak for them when I say, if they find any kind of life at all, whether or not we deem it intelligent, it would be an amazing discovery, the greatest discovery in the history of biology, to find life that
Starting point is 00:12:16 had formed independently of life on Earth, on Mars or anywhere else. If there was water, it's sort of likely, right? Well, every water on on earth every place there's liquid water on earth there is life even the dead sea yeah where people just didn't have microscopes to see life smaller than the resolution limits of their eyeballs and so they say therefore it's dead yeah no you just don't know how to see yet all right so whereas these exoplanets these planets that might be in the goldilocks zones around other stars, if we find life on those, we're not looking at it microbially.
Starting point is 00:12:50 I mean, there are tricky ways we can invoke, clever ways we can test to see if it has microbes. We'd be looking at what are called biomarkers. If the microbe emits methane, for example, methane is not stable on its own. It has to be churned out by some process, and life is something that can do it. You look for methane in its atmosphere or oxygen. Would we be able to find methane on one of the Keplars? With very careful measurements, we are at the cusp of being able to look at the atmospheric chemistry of planets that are orbiting other stars. So if we find – I think it's more likely to find it on Mars, or we'll find it
Starting point is 00:13:26 sooner on Mars than on an exoplanet, just because the technology isn't completely there yet. Because we're there, we're on Mars, we're literally digging things up, eating them, a robot is eating them, trying to figure out if it was once alive. Yeah, we're there. And when you're looking at exoplanets, you got to be really clever. You have to wait for the planet to pass in front of the host star and look at the light from the host star as it passes through the atmosphere of the host planet and if the oxygen is there it takes away certain signature of light from the host planet when you describe this i can't believe scientists have the patience to do any of this this is this yeah yeah so uh so it's a great question uh tell your
Starting point is 00:14:00 daughter thanks for getting you to call in for her. Yeah. So tell her probably Mars. It's worse than that. I lost the bet. She picked Mars. She picked Mars. Excellent. Excellent. All right.
Starting point is 00:14:13 So thanks, Jeff, for calling in. Thank you, guys. All right. Great. All right. We got another question. Are you ready? And these are all from the internet, right?
Starting point is 00:14:19 I mean. Yeah, these questions are, these ones right now. From our website. Maybe from Facebook, the website. StarTalkRadio.net. Yep. And if you like us on Facebook, just like us. now. From our website. From Facebook, the website. StarTalkRadio.net. And if you like us on Facebook, just like us.
Starting point is 00:14:28 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, if you like us in real life, like us on Facebook. I think that's what Neil means. And on Twitter, StarTalkRadio. Yeah. It's all there. Okay, here's a question from Erasmo. Can you tell us about gravitational lensing technology for a space telescope? What are the obstacles and how far away
Starting point is 00:14:46 are we from deploying? Well, we know of gravitational lenses in space. Einstein, upon discovering that gravity bends space, he hypothesized that a particular configuration of matter could bend space in such
Starting point is 00:15:02 a way that it can serve as a cosmic space lens magnifying stuff behind it in the universe i can't tell if you're making up science fiction or telling me information from science because you really like it's that it's just on the border of like i don't know it is all like a ring powered by will it is all there and so einstein made this prediction Powered by will. It is all there. And so Einstein made this prediction.
Starting point is 00:15:29 It would be 70 years or so, if I can remember my timetables, about 70 years before we would discover the first gravitational lens. And they're all over. You got to know what you're looking for because the lens isn't just magnifying stuff in the background. Not all the lenses are perfectly, quote, shaped to do what a normal lens would do. Some are like funhouse mirrors. So you can take a background galaxy and flip it left, right, up and down, distort it, and make the image of the galaxy appear multiple times because of that lens. And so previously we might've photographed it, but thought it was separate galaxies. It turns out it's one galaxy lensed by one disturbance of space-time creating this funhouse image.
Starting point is 00:16:08 So our space telescopes have found these gravitational lenses out there in space. These aren't lenses we're making in the neighborhood. No, they're huge scale and they require a distribution of mass that we don't have control over right now. So how far – in how many years do you think we might? Never. Never. So around never? You need the mass distribution of what you'd find in a cluster of galaxies.
Starting point is 00:16:33 Okay. Sounds unlikely. Unlikely for us. Yeah, but the Borg could do it for sure. Sure. Yes. Duh. Made up collective.
Starting point is 00:16:41 Certainly have the resources. All right. And here's another question. Oh, by the way, by the way, gravitational lenses allow us to see farther in the universe than our telescope might otherwise have permitted. So they magnify it. Yeah, they help us probe the distant universe. But we don't create them. They just.
Starting point is 00:17:00 Right, they're there. Nature makes them for us. Well, thank you, nature. All right, this one's from uh jamie robertson uh could time have more than one dimension just as string theory requires more spatial dimensions than we experience couldn't it be possible to have more time dimensions than we experience i so want i so want time to have more than one dimension it's there's nothing compelling that requires us to think that. That it does or doesn't?
Starting point is 00:17:27 That it does. There's nothing compelling us that requires that we have to think that time has more than one dimension. But if it did, that would just be cool. Is it possible? Think about it. So if you go on to one of the time dimensions, time would tick at a particular rate for you.
Starting point is 00:17:41 Yeah. In another dimension, it could tick at a different rate. Uh-huh. And if you go in a direction that's a hybrid of each of those two directions, you would then hybridize the rate at which your time unfolds. That's no different from walking. You can go north or you can go east. If you only go north, you're not going east at all. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:02 If you only go east, you're not going. If you go in between. Northeast. You're going a little bit north. Yeah. If you only go east, you're not going. If you go in between. Northeast. You're going a little bit north. Yeah. You go north, northeast. Yeah. East, south.
Starting point is 00:18:09 So you're saying there could be time that's going north and time that goes east. In a sense. And then you could pick a trajectory that gets you a little bit of one time and a lot more of another. That would just be kind of interesting. And I don't know quite how to think about that going forward. We're not compelled to do so. When we come back, more StarTalks Cosmic Queries edition. News ripped from the headlines.
Starting point is 00:18:30 See you in a moment. We're back. StarTalk, Cosmic Queries Edition. I'm your personal astrophysicist, Neil deGrasse Tyson, in studio with Eugene Merman, who's reading me questions from the internet, called from our fan base, our listeners, and whoever else cared to write in to our website, to Twitter, to a Facebook page, to Google+, to Pinterest. I haven't seen any of these questions before.
Starting point is 00:19:11 I don't know how Pinterest works, but I believe you. I haven't seen or heard any of these questions. Okay. And the topic is science ripped from headlines. Yes. Yeah, yeah. So let's do it. So here's a question.
Starting point is 00:19:23 This one is from Alejandro. If an ancient civilization in Earth's history had made geostationary satellites, would they still be in orbit today? Yes. There is nothing to interfere with the orbit of a geostationary satellite. It is so far out, orbiting 22,000 miles above Earth's surface. What would that be in kilometers, I guess? Eight. That's so blatantly wrong.
Starting point is 00:19:53 Let's try 30,000 – no, yeah, about 30,000 kilometers up. If you're that high up, there are no air molecules from our atmosphere to slow you down and decay your orbit and drop you into the Pacific Ocean or anywhere else. So, yes, it'll stay. It's basically will stay in orbit around the Earth forever unless some asteroid or meteor hits it. And but that would be an extraordinary fact. The dynamics are stable. We're good. But that would not be, for me, the most interesting fact here.
Starting point is 00:20:24 It would be that we had a civilization yeah that had made that had sent something into space and we haven't found them right and where are they you know are they underground so i would be way more impressed that people that such a civilization existed than that they put up a spacecraft right right all right um so ryan has a question. How can the universe be expanding and yet galaxies are swallowing each other? Wouldn't the push be a greater force
Starting point is 00:20:51 or has it slowed down? These people are totally getting them. Excellent. Okay, so it turns out we live in an expanding universe and the farther away you are from a neighboring object, the more manifest is the expansion of the universe. So if you are really close, the expansion of the universe is so small as to be swamped
Starting point is 00:21:15 by your mutual gravitational attraction. So we and the Andromeda galaxy, 2 million light years away, we are falling towards one another, even in the middle of the expansion of the universe, because we are so close that our speeds and our gravity totally override how close how how quickly are we falling towards each other or slowly however you want to answer it so you're worried about the future of earth um yeah i'm worried like do i have to be worried about like thursday or in like or like 2020. So is it not climate change, but a falling galaxy that I should be concerned? We will collide anywhere between six and eight billion years from now. And the sun will die in?
Starting point is 00:21:53 Five billion years. Yeah. So the sun is a much bigger issue of concern for you. But presumably by then we'd be able to planet hop, find another solar system. So it's still something to think about, I think. And the reason why I say it's between that period of time, because a galaxy is not a single point in space. It's a huge extended object.
Starting point is 00:22:11 So at what point are we colliding? It's like polyphonic spree, which is a very big band, trust me. Okay. So it takes a long time for galaxies to actually collide because they're so large and they're huge systems. We'll likely survive that. It'll just be a beautiful train wreck in the sky. Stars are very far apart from one another.
Starting point is 00:22:29 So our solar system is likely to stay intact throughout this entire journey. Enjoy the ride. All right. Yeah. Okay, here's a question. This one's from Joseph. Is it possible that the universe isn't expanding, but that we're all just shrinking at a constant rate all the way to nothingness?
Starting point is 00:22:48 Seriously, wouldn't that look like expansion from our perspective? Wow, that's a great question. I'd have to think about that. Sure. If everything was shrinking. But at the rate the universe is expanding, I don't know. It seems like we would have shrunk. Yeah, everything in the universe would have to shrink but here's the problem it's the universe itself that's expanding
Starting point is 00:23:08 not the things in the universe right right we're not growing right except for americans so i have to think more about that yeah i bet that'd be a fun little sci-fi cartoon i'm gonna say physically based on not knowing anything i don't think that's the case, but I like the idea. Yeah, it's a fun idea. I have to think about that. Sure. We'll get back to that. Would we be shrinking?
Starting point is 00:23:32 Could we be shrinking at a rate that appears that the universe is expanding? Yeah, because all of our measuring rods would have to be shrinking with us. Well, we could be. Everything could be shrinking around us. Right, but that'd be an extraordinary thing if it were happening.
Starting point is 00:23:43 It's not more extraordinary than just something expanding. Yeah. Things expand all the time yeah so yeah pick we're extraordinary explanation and and and this sounds like something they would have thought in the middle ages i go with yeah yeah and then murdered anyone who was like i don't know i think it's expanding don't be an idiot we're all drinking we're gonna murder you we're going to liberate your soul yeah exactly that's what that is yes you relax we got time for one more in the segment what do you got okay martin greet uh he's writing from norway if warp drive technology actually works and you use it
Starting point is 00:24:15 how do you know where and when to stop oh no you have a map you would have the coordinate system of the hyperspace through which you're traveling yeah your normal normal maps wouldn't work excellent question use you wouldn't use the google maps you'd be like this iphone can't guide me through hyperspace you need a map that goes to the higher dimension through which you're traveling and then you can land back where you were going so you'd first map out hyperspace and then you'd probably switch the hyperdrive on then you could switch your hyperdrive and land someplace where you need to be. And go around rocks and whatever. Are there a lot of rocks
Starting point is 00:24:47 in hyperspace? You want to map around asteroids and other destroyed planets. I mean, look at this asteroid belt of Earth, I mean, of the solar system. There's a lot of rocks there.
Starting point is 00:24:56 Yeah, yeah. So you want to avoid things that could kill you before you got to your destination. Yes. Okay. Awesome question that was.
Starting point is 00:25:03 This is StarTalk Cosmic Queries Edition edition we'll be right back we're back star talk radio cosmic queries edition eugene merman okay what's your twitter twitter handle is at eugene merman eugene merman okay gotcha um all right all over it yeah okay get on it world um here's a question from ian uh i visit he writes i visited the creation museum purely out of a sense of mystified curiosity. The recorded narration in their planetarium claimed that contemporary astrophysics predicted that certain stars were older than the known age of the universe and cited this problem as evidence against science and for young Earth creationism. I think this was a real astrophysical problem for a while,
Starting point is 00:26:05 but has since been outmoded by better models of stars. I was hoping Neil might tell me a little bit more about the problem and its solution. Which problem, the problem that a creation museum exists at all. I think the problem is that a creation museum, I think what it is, is it's pointing to some outdated model of understanding science.
Starting point is 00:26:24 Okay. So let's, let's unpack all of that. Yeah. So actually I have nothing specifically against a creation museum. Sure. Just keep it out of the science classroom. Right, right. We live in a free country.
Starting point is 00:26:33 People could say whatever you want about whatever. Just like the Batman Museum is not accurate historically. That's what it means to be free, right? Just don't confuse it with actual science. fun free right just don't confuse it with actual science yeah um the so back when was it in the 90s um there were measurements this is before hubble settled all these questions the hubble telescope that is the we had measurements of the oldest stars and they were coming in you know 18 billion years old and measurements of the age of the universe that was coming in at about 15 billion years old. So, uh, that was, it was an unsolved problem in astrophysics.
Starting point is 00:27:11 Sounds like God exists. You can't be older than your mother. Okay. That's the, if you want to get a terrestrial version of that, each of those are, that was data obtained by completely independent, separate methods. Right. So, uh, that was data obtained by completely independent separate methods. So I was quite happy that they were in the same ballpark, right? 15 billion, 18 billion, it's a few billion here or there. Cosmically speaking, that difference is small. It's not one that's a thousand times older than the other. Then somebody is not doing something right. So a few billion years on 15 billion years was it was something it was a problem to be solved but it made much sexier headlines to talk about than what any then so
Starting point is 00:27:52 scientists were like this all seems pretty reasonable with more accuracy we'll figure it out that's how we were dealing with it and everyone's oh my gosh you know because what they they weren't considering what we call error bars error bars or you make a measurement and what is the uncertainty of that number? The uncertainty in the 15 billion year age of the universe was plus or minus 2 billion years. You see these error bars now, these uncertainty numbers in election polls. So they became familiar to people.
Starting point is 00:28:16 What is the margin of error? So now people understand that it's like maybe it's 13 billion, maybe it's 17. Maybe it's 17. And now you have the 18 billion year old star that yeah that could be you know that was 18 plus or minus two so the overlap in that is fine it's fine and so the creation museum uses science from the 90s to prove that science is wrong well right it's all wrong and the fact is in a in a in a young universe as what is put forth by creation folk, that is a universe that's not – it's 6,000 years, no more than 10,000. It's in the thousands, not billions. Right, right.
Starting point is 00:28:55 So these are apples and oranges going on here. So, by the way, it's possible to have an error bar, an uncertainty range that is completely out of whack. That would mean there's a systematic error in your data. Okay. Like the way that they thought they'd created what, fast tachyons or no? Yeah. That was, yeah, that was, uh, felt they'd found particles in the, in the Switzerland that were traveling faster than light.
Starting point is 00:29:18 And either it was a blunder or they were actually traveling faster than light. And we've never ever seen or measured anything travel faster than light, which meant it was probably a blunder. Right. Turned out it was a blunder, just a complete blunder. And that happens. So back then it was a fascinating story. So right now the universe is about 14 billion years.
Starting point is 00:29:36 The ages of stars all match up. We have better measurements of what goes on inside of stars. And that all got resolved. Hubble helped out mightily in that. So that's all that was going on. Hubble helped out mightily in that. So that's all that was going on there. So now everything makes perfect sense. All right.
Starting point is 00:29:51 So let's ask another question. Ready? Yeah. Go for it. What is the worst case scenario for misuse of the warp drive? Dan Owens. What's the worst case? Quickly.
Starting point is 00:30:01 Misuse of a warp drive. I don't even know what that means. Anything in a warp drive is going to be good. Yeah. So misuse Would be You use it to actually Travel back in time And
Starting point is 00:30:10 Then you And then you Kill your You kill your grandparents And then you no longer exist Depending who you are Maybe that'd be fine By the way
Starting point is 00:30:17 You don't ever have to Kill your grandparents No you could just Push them down No no yeah Push Prevent them from Ever having met
Starting point is 00:30:23 Yeah You don't have to be bloody about it. In fact, you could go back to your great, great, great, great, great grandparents and change the time they had sex. Okay? Then you will not have been born. You could just literally jump out of a closet and go, ah! And then you'd probably ruin your whole timeline. Okay?
Starting point is 00:30:42 Then a different sperm fertilizes the egg, and you're never born. Perfect. Okay? Sounds like a plan. Folks are not creative. Yeah. When we come back, more StarTalk Cosmic Queries Edition. We're back. StarTalk Radio.
Starting point is 00:31:14 Neil deGrasse Tyson here. Eugene Merman. Cosmic Queries Edition. The lightning round. Yeah. The last round. This is all the stuff we, because I take too long to answer questions. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:23 So we've got to go super fast. Go super fast. And let me test the bell. You got it take too long to answer questions. Yeah. So we've got to go super fast. Go super fast. And let me test the bell. You got it. Okay. Nailed it. All right. This is from an 11-year-old from Shaney.
Starting point is 00:31:31 Cool. She wants to know, how could there be nothing before the Big Bang? Huh? Thanks. Neil? We don't know what was around before the Big Bang, and any respectable scientist will not tell you that there was nothing there. So there might have been something.
Starting point is 00:31:44 There might have been something. There might have been something, and it could be the thriving multiverse that is where just one of the bubbles and it comes and goes, other bubbles are coming. We don't know. Thank you. There was a party. You got it. All right, here we go.
Starting point is 00:31:58 Theoretically. Oh, by the way, there's an episode of Family Guy where Stewie takes his time machine and goes back to before the Big Bang. Yeah, so what happens there? There's nothingness there, just like she said. There's not even space or time. I bet there was a Doors concert. I bet Jim Morrison is there writing his rhymey poems. And that came about from a conversation, a lunch I had with Seth MacFarlane. He just started asking
Starting point is 00:32:22 me, oh, tell me about the Big Bang. Tell me about it. And then I end up with a screen credit as science advisor to this Stewie going back to the beginning of the universe. That was cool. Next. Samuel. Okay. He asks, theoretically, could wind travel faster than light? No.
Starting point is 00:32:37 Next. No. I mean. Yeah, what's the fastest wind could travel? Wind could travel like at the speed of sound. All right. That's basically. A little Mach 2?
Starting point is 00:32:44 Mach 1. I know Mach 1 i know but i'm now upping it are you sure no no because it has to can't get past other molecules that are in its way so you can't have one piece of air travel fat no okay next mach 1 it is yeah okay austin asked neil what is your favorite or in your opinion what i should say so how fast does a molecule move it bumps into the next molecule and sends that signal to the next molecule. Now, you can move a whole body of air together, and all the molecules are in there together. I suppose you could accelerate that whole thing.
Starting point is 00:33:13 Yes. Okay. Could you have a hurricane that went faster than Mach 1? A hurricane is still moving embedded within another air pocket. Oh, sure, sure. So, no. Put the wind in a hurricane. Sorry, that's what I meant.
Starting point is 00:33:23 Yeah, right. Okay, great. Is Wizard of Oz realistic? No. Okay, Austin asks, Neil, what is your favorite or, in your opinion, most significant space exploration-related discovery of the last year or so? Oh, so I would have to say it was not a discovery. It was the fact that we were able to land Curiosity on Mars in the way we did. It was an engineering Rube Goldberg nightmare that turned out to be completely successful. And that test, all the other ways we can now land on other planetary objects, loved it. It was an engineering achievement, not a scientific achievement. Yes.
Starting point is 00:33:57 Next. Okay, Mike Ward asks, does a black hole die like stars do? If so, what happens? Do they go supernova and expel all the collected matter back into space? What happens in a black hole stays in a black hole. That's accurate though, right? Black holes actually evaporate, according to
Starting point is 00:34:14 a discovery made by Stephen Hawking, a University of Cambridge fame. Stephen Hawking discovered something, today we call it Hawking radiation. The stuff that goes in a black hole slowly evaporates out of the black hole until the black hole one day disappears entirely. And then it's just gone. It's gone completely.
Starting point is 00:34:32 Correct. Nice. It's very slow. It takes 10 to the 100 years to evaporate a supermassive black hole. A Google years. A Google years. Yes, yes. Sounds reasonable.
Starting point is 00:34:42 Okay. If we bring an asteroid for mining into orbit around the moon, will we be able to see it with the naked eye? Depends how big the asteroid is. The one they're thinking of bringing in now, no. That one is about five feet across. You're not seeing that one. But a big one, yeah. Bring it on.
Starting point is 00:34:57 Watch it. Pull out your telescope. Check it out. And you could watch people mining. If it's big enough. What's big enough? You know. What's big enough?
Starting point is 00:35:04 Two miles? Miles across. Miles. Miles. You'll do it. But not feet. Next. Yeah. Lightning round. Go. mining if it's big enough big what's big enough you know what's big enough two miles miles across miles miles you'll do it but not feet next yeah lightning round go how do elements heavier than iron such as uranium form in stars oh uh yeah so they don't form in stars they form when the star explodes supernovae there's all kinds of energy to burn no pun intended when a star blows up so iron which the star makes after it started with hydrogen and helium, and it goes right on up the periodic table to give you iron to make iron in its center. After iron, the star explodes.
Starting point is 00:35:35 That extra energy continues to pump iron. And yeah, did I actually say that? Yeah. Pump iron. Yeah. It continues to pump iron. Yeah. It pumps particles into iron.
Starting point is 00:35:43 They march into iron and make iron heavier. Yeah. And it builds all the rest of the elements on the periodic table, right up to uranium. Yes. Sounds like, that's, yeah, that sounds accurate. You got it. Uranium, by the way, named after planet Uranus. Next.
Starting point is 00:35:56 Nice. Okay. Olivia wants to know, would it be safe to live on a planet or bring a pulsar? If so, would life on the planet be short-lived? It is not safe. You'll die. Pulsars are huge radiation sources, and radiation is not compatible.
Starting point is 00:36:11 High-level doses of radiation is incompatible with life. All right. There are plenty of other beautiful stars to post your planet. Go. Last question. I don't know. Go. Go.
Starting point is 00:36:22 Go. Go. Go. Okay. All right. Last question. I don't know. Go. Go. Go. Go. Okay. All right. Last question. We often talk about observed cosmic events as having happened in the past, e.g., if a star goes supernova 10,000 light years away, you hear it described as happening, having happened 10,000 years ago.
Starting point is 00:36:38 However, since time is relative, wouldn't this mean that however far away we are from an object, any event we can't yet observe hasn't actually happened? If we are not moving significantly relative to that other object, another star sitting out in space, we're basically in the same time zone. So we're cool. We don't have to worry about severe time dilation. It's relative when you're moving really fast relative to another object or place or thing. Then you've got these issues. But a star blows up in our galaxy.
Starting point is 00:37:06 It's our galaxy. We're moving together in this. Yeah. We're fine. We're fine. Okay. We got to run. That has been StarTalk.
Starting point is 00:37:13 Lightning round. Cosmic Queries edition. Eugene Merman, thanks as always for being on StarTalk Radio. I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson, your personal astrophysicist, leading you to keep looking up.

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