StarTalk Radio - Cosmic Queries – Strange Matter

Episode Date: July 30, 2024

What could we do to hide from the aliens? Neil deGrasse Tyson and comedian Chuck Nice answer fan questions about human radio wave signals, strange matter, universes inside black holes, and other physics questions!NOTE: StarTalk+ Patrons can listen to this entire episode commercial-free here: https://startalkmedia.com/show/cosmic-queries-strange-matter/Thanks to our Patrons Pepper Horton, Albert Vara, Shuky Mayer, William and Adwoa Steel, Timothé Payette, CESAR FRADIQUE, Tony Chantosa, Norwne Gonio, Tim Wescott, and Momo Gasuki for supporting us this week. Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ on Apple Podcasts to listen to new episodes ad-free and a whole week early.

So Chuck, that was fun, getting those questions from all around the world. Always. We have the smartest listeners of any podcast in the world. I like knowing how different people think from wherever they happen to be. Yeah. You know, and we had the Netherlands, Mexico. Oh, Australia. And Arkansas.

There you go. The strangest of all places. No. We love you, Arkansas. All right. This is coming up. Cosmic Queries. Welcome to StarTalk.

Your place in the universe where science and pop culture collide. StarTalk begins right now. This is StarTalk. Neil deGrasse Tyson, your personal astrophysicist. Nice with me, Chuck. Yes, sir. What's up, Neil? All right, we're doing cosmic queries today. Yes, it is.

But beyond category. Cosmic grab bag. Grab bag. Yeah. Galactic. Galactic gumbo. Is gumbo really just trash that was left over when it was invented? Not when Yvonne Garnier makes it.

I told you I'm going to get you some Yvonne Garnier gumbo. Let me tell you that. Hey, boy, I tell you, I'm going to get you a little crawdad in there, boy. Put myself in there and you ain't going to kill. That's some guarantee. All I heard was guarantee. So this is just, so why aren't we sorting them anymore? They're just random?

No, because they're like, you know, they're- They come in random. Sometimes they come in in such a way that, you know, that's how they just come in and they make, you know, they're good questions. Let's do it. Just throw them all together and let's do it. And I'll answer what I can.

There you go. All right, this is Juraj Belangi. And Jurard says, Is it theoretically possible to develop a space drive that would have constant acceleration, hence creating constant artificial gravity? That's what rockets do. Do. Okay. Okay.

But he means continuous, like we're going to Mars. Do. Okay. Okay. But he means continuous. Like, we're going to Mars. Yes. And so you're burning the entire time that you're going. If you do that, you'll get there very fast. Like, so this nine-month journey that we talk about going to Mars, three days to the moon, nine months to Mars, you know what that is? That is aiming for where the object will be when you arrive. Got you. Fire your engines enough so you don't fall back to Mars. You know what that is? That is aiming for where the object will be when you arrive. Got you.

Fire your engines enough so you don't fall back to Earth. Right. Okay? And you need enough energy to cross over to where your destination's gravity exceeds the gravity of Earth. Right. exceeds the gravity of Earth. Right. So it's basically like that planet,

when it gets to that, it lassos you and then starts pulling you towards the planet. It's like climbing to the top of a hill and then you can just roll down the other side. And then roll down the hill. Okay. So you're climbing out of the gravitational well of the Earth and it's getting weaker and weaker and weaker. But as you're getting towards the other object, it's getting weaker and weaker and weaker, but as you're getting towards the other object,

it's getting stronger and stronger and stronger. Right. There's a point where they balance, and if you cross over that point, you just fall towards your destination. You just fall towards. Correct. Once you launch yourself with enough speed to get there,

there's no engines firing. Right. And once you cross over, no engines firing, you just fall in. Right. You need your engines again to not crash. Right.

Because you're accelerating all the way there by the action of the planet. Right. All right. To Mars, that's a minimum of nine months. If instead you accelerated the whole time, then you still want to slow down. So you'll accelerate until you're like halfway there, then turn around and then decelerate the rest of the time. Captain, we're approaching the planet. Fire the retro rockets.

You got to fire the retro rockets. Except this would be a sustained thing. And that way you would maintain a certain artificial gravity because an acceleration of a rocket is an exact mimic of being on a gravitational surface. So the only sci-fi show I've ever seen that does, and I recognized it from you telling me exactly what you just said years ago, it's called The Expanse. And I had so much respect for them because they show a ship headed towards a planet and the engines you see first firing as it's moving towards the

planet. So it's like the entire time that they're showing you like, oh, they're headed to whatever planet. And then they show you and it looks like the ship is going in reverse. Oh, interesting. Yeah, but exactly why you said, because they're firing the rockets to slow down to approach the planet. Correct, correct. So cool. But there's another interesting fact here. While you are firing rockets,

there is a force operating on you that you will not be able to distinguish from an ordinary gravitational force. This was deduced by Albert Einstein in what's called the equivalence principle. An accelerating rocket is indistinguishable from you sitting on Earth with Earth's acceleration of gravity

if the two accelerations are equal. There's no experiment you can perform other than looking out the window to know if you're in a rocket or sitting here on Earth in a box. Right. Okay, so now, what's that movie that had moon pirates?

Oh, oh, oh, that was called Ad Astra. Ad Astra. That was Ad Astra. If you're going to use the phrase Ad Astra, you better get your stuff correct. That's right. Okay, Ad Astra means to the stars in Latin. Right.

This is a deep phrase that we've been using in the space community forever. Right. And interestingly, it's on the state flag of Kansas. For the tornado state, that makes sense. Dorothy. That makes sense for the tornado state. I was launched at Astra.

Woo! So they would show these rockets firing, and you go inside the ship, and they were all weightless. No. That wouldn't work. There's this misconception that being in space makes you weightless. No. No.

No. If you are drifting in space, as our space missions do, they're sent in motion, and you're drifting towards the crossover point, and then you fall in. Oh, there you go. You're weightless that entire time. But as long as you have on rockets, you are not weightless at all. Look at that. Yeah.

Super cool, man. Yeah, so you could do it, but oh, sorry, getting back to the question. Right. You need filling stations along the way. What? If you're going to drive straight from New York to LA, how big must your gas tank be? Well, that's, yeah. Okay, so we have gas stations along the way. What? If you're going to drive straight from New York to LA, how big must your gas tank be?

We have gas stations along the way. So if you really want to accelerate to your destination through space, you need filling stations parked throughout the solar system. And you reload and keep going. But we're not there yet. Or like in Star Wars

where they have the ship that is part of another ship. So there's one ship that gets you to hyperspace, but then when you come out of hyperspace, your ship leaves that ship, and then you can just ride normally. Okay, so something else did all the heavy lifting. Yeah, yeah, okay.

Cool, man. Very, very cool, Jaraj. Thanks for the question. Here's Ryan. Just while yeah, okay. Cool, man. Very, very cool, Jiraj. Thanks for the question. Here's Ryan. Oh, just while I'm there. Go ahead. When you're in orbit, you're freely falling towards Earth.

There are no rockets keeping you in orbit. You're just falling around the Earth. Around the Earth. And so you're weightless there. It's not because you are, there's no gravity in space. Right.

Right? It's a delusion. Not a delusion. We've been misled to think that the act of being in space is synonymous with being weightless. It's the same as when you're on that, what's it called? The vomit comet? What's that thing called? Vomit comet.

Yeah, yeah. The airplane. The airplane. Yeah, yeah. It goes into a controlled, into a parabolic dive where you're falling towards Earth. Exactly. It's basically for that short period, for that short bit,

it's sort of orbiting Earth. Right. Did you have physics in high school? They taught it in my school. Okay, I should have. Did you learn physics in high school? I'm sorry. Those are two different questions. One of the things you learn is that

a projectile has a parabolic arc. Right. Okay? And there's a formula for a parabola, and you can solve how far, neglecting air resistance, you can know how far a projectile will go. First use of computers. Yes, in fact, for the military.

For the military. They want to know where the bomb's going to fall. They want to know where the bomb's going to fall. You've got to be able to figure out the trajectory of the mortar shells. Turns out, it's not actually a parabola. Oh, okay. It's very close. Right.

But it's not a parabola. It is the segment of an orbit, an elliptical orbit. Orbit, gotcha. If the entire mass of the Earth were at its center. That makes sense. Okay. That is so cool. the Earth were at its center. That makes sense. Okay. That is so cool. Yes, it's completely cool.

That is so cool. So you take all the mass of the Earth, Right. collect it to a point in the center, and watch this go in orbit around here. Around that point. Around that point. That's right.

That is so cool. So, but it doesn't succeed because Earth gets in the way. But the forces controlling it is what's the mass of the Earth and what's its distance from the center of the Earth. Right. That's all that matters. That's so cool. You collapse all the mass there and then you have it. Fantastic.

Yeah. So, even when you're- Even when you're at like the space station, you're just falling around the Earth. You're falling around the Earth. Very, very cool. Very cool, man. All right. All right, here's Ryan A. Ryan A says, hey, Neil.

Is he witness protection there? He's Ryan A. Yeah, exactly. He says, hey, Neil, and maybe Chuck. Would you know something I don't know, Ryan? He says, hey, Neil, maybe Chuck. Ryan from Toronto here. My question might be obvious,

but time dilation has been messing with my mind. As it should. No one should be comfortable with time dilation. Once, you said that a photon doesn't experience time. It's born and immediately is destroyed. If a photon from

somewhere in the galaxy is born and over time, it redshifts as we know photons do. How can it both experience a redshift, but also be destroyed immediately after creation? Thanks, love the show. I, that's a great question. It really is.

I don't know that I have a good answer for that. I do. Cause that's how it is. Because that's how it is. Because that's how photons roll. Okay? So what he's saying is if the photon that's emitted is different from the photon that you detected or destroyed at the end of its path, then something happened to the photon. So if something happened to the photon,

the photon has to be temporarily aware of that in some way. Right. Wow, you asked that question better than he did. I'm thinking that's what he means. Right, that makes sense. I'm pretty sure. So we see this.

The question is, what does the photon think happened? Right. Now, since it's emitted at one wavelength and detected at another, I got to think about that. That's something, huh? Because the photon would have to say, I'm redshifting. But to even be able to say that, time elapsed for you.

Right, exactly. Because you were something yesterday, now you're something different. Yep. That's pretty wild. No, I don't have a good answer. You know who might have an answer? It's Jana. Yeah, Jana Levin.

A friend of the show. Yeah, exactly. She's a cosmologist. I might call Jana. We got the hotline. Where's the Jana hotline, please? Can we get Jana on the phone, guys? Can we get Jana on the phone?

I have a red phone at my desk. Did you notice? And is that for Jana or is that for somebody to put that mustache in the sky to call you? Mustache in the sky. Emergency.

We have a cosmic emergency. Put the mustache in the sky. You know, if this was 150 years ago, everyone would have a mustache and then no one would be talking about my mustache. True, that's true.

That is true. You know, everybody in the Civil War had a mustache. And weird ones, too, like with handlebars and all kinds of crap. Okay. All right, well, listen, that's a very good question, Ryan A. Yeah, sorry. I'm sorry. And who knows?

Who knows what the answer is? I have to ask the photon. Yeah. I'll get back to him i'm nicholas costella and i'm a proud supporter of star talk on patreon this is starar Shah. And Amar Shah says, greetings, Dr. Tyson, Lord Nice. This is Amar from Sydney, Australia. Is it possible mathematically that our universe is on the other side of a black hole? And could there be more universes on the other sides of black holes?

I think, does he mean our galaxy? Because- I have a book on the shelf that goes through the mathematics of what's on the other side of a black hole. Of a black hole. Right. Right.

And if you fall in, your time slows down relative to what you just came from. Right. And you'll see the entire future history of the universe unfold. Right. As you go down and emerge, a whole other space-time opens up in front of you.

I got you. The mathematics of general relativity gives you that. Right. No one has tested this, but general relativity works in all these other ways. And this is a prediction of something that has worked so well. It's intriguing. Certainly worthy of at least sci-fi treatment before we get actual data.

So the universe that has the most universes is the universe that has the most black holes. Now, is it a different universe, or is it a residual universe? Call it what you will, but there's no— There's no—you can't go back and forth. Of course you can't. So by our operational definition of universe, you're in another universe. You're in another universe. And don't denigrate it by calling it residual, or universe light, or dwarf universe.

Okay. I got you. All right. I didn't mean to, you know, didn't mean to P.O. the universe. No telling what will happen. Well, that's very cool. So mathematically, it does work out. Yes, it does. Mathematically. Mathematically. Alright, cool.

This is Eduardo. Oh, by the way, the horizon of the universe has, this is beyond which you cannot see, has all the same properties as the event horizon of a black hole. Oh, so cool. So what we see is the edge of our universe

that we can observe as all the same properties as the event horizon. The same mathematical properties as the event horizon of a black hole. Wow, I didn't know that. So we would be living evidence of a universe inside a black hole. That's crazy.

It's freaky. That is dead. That's good. Somebody get me an edible. Apparently, you didn't need one. This is true. This is true. It was sufficiently fascinating enough that I did not need

any assistance. Correct. And having my mind blown. No assist. Right. Fact. Yeah. That's cool. All right.

This is Eduardo Mancilla. Hello, this is Eduardo writing from Mexico. What should I say? Hello, this is Eduardo writing from Mexico. writing from Mexico. Normally I would reserve that for our friend from Monterey, Mexico. He says... You heard that dinosaur joke?

It's a stupid joke. So I was giving a public talk and I was describing the 65 million year ago event where Earth got hit by an asteroid and we found where the crater is. It's off the tip of the Yucatan Peninsula. Okay. Okay?

Of Mexico. And I thought it'd be cute and say, the Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico, but that's not what the dinosaurs called it because it was... And then someone in the audience, they called it Mexico. That's stupid.

That was like stupid funny. Yeah, it is. I mean, clearly they spoke Spanish. Right. Right. Exactly. And they would pronounce it correctly. All right.

So Eduardo says, I saw a video on strange matter, but I didn't quite understand what exactly that is. Could you maybe talk a little bit about what it is and how it forms strange matter? Yeah, I'm not up on the very latest there, but there's actually good precedent for having this mysterious thing happen in our particle accelerators. And we say, we can't explain this. There must be some particle we haven't discovered yet accounting for this inexplainable stuff. This behavior of the other particles, they're responding to something that we can't see

and don't know how to figure out how to detect it yet. So let's invent the idea of this particle. Doing that has enabled the discovery of multiple particles. Ah. Assume something's there. Right. What would its properties be to cause all the confusion that it does? Right.

Let's look for it. And then look for it. And we found it. Look at that. The neutrino was one such particle. Look at that. All right. There was a reaction of particles,

and at the end, the charge all worked out, but the momentum didn't add up. So we have a law of conservation of momentum. It's never been violated. Right. All right. It was missing some momentum. Way to go. All the same, we took account of all the particles.

Right. And somebody said, a particle must have taken away the momentum. I don't know where. Go look for it. We knew it didn't have a charge, so it was called Little Neutral One. Little Neutral One. Neutrino. Oh, cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, there are things we cannot explain.

Dark matter, dark energy. There are these phenomena in the universe where we are kind of, I don't know, I want to say we're giving up. But we say, we don't know what it is. Okay, just call it anything. Okay, is it some new kind of matter? Is it strange matter?

Is it, and there's a whole catalog of names for these particles that are not yet discovered. And many of them are fanciful. Wow. So it's a fun, it's like a zoo. So is that like missing spaces in the periodical chart oh very nice yeah okay cool very nice analog there all right because that's complete now it's right you know on many things you can say we got we got it move on to

the next problem right we got this right but there was a time when they had to leave a space. They left a space. Hey, we know something's going to go there. Right. And you know, one of them was discovered, I forgot exactly when, but it was not discovered

in nature. We had to make it. Oh, right on. Okay. Do you know the word for when you make something? Manufacturer? Yeah.

Tech. Tech? Tech. Oh. Technology is, you made it. Right. You didn't get it from nature. Right. Okay? tech tech tech oh technology is you made it right

you didn't get it from nature right okay we forgot that because it applies to everything today tech okay so it's called technetium

technetium yep we made that we made that element that's pretty cool so of all these hypothetical forms of matter right alright

one of them has been named for a variety of quark. Okay. That we know. Quarks have fanciful names. Yeah. Okay. There's an up quark.

Right. A down quark. Right. A strange quark. A charmed quark. Okay. Well, a wine quark. A wine quark.

Quark. Oh, quark. Quark. Quark. Quark. Okay. Okay. Quark. So, andark. Quark. Quark. Quark. Okay. Okay. Quark.

So, and the quarks make up our nuclear particles. Right. Okay? So, there's an up-down, top-bottom, strange-charmed. Okay? Okay. So, the up-down are the quarks that make up protons and neutrons. Okay.

They have heavier components in the universe that we find in accelerators, but we don't encounter them every day. So all the particles that we know and love have versions that exist at a higher energy level. So our quarks are up and down. The next level quarks are top and bottom because they're pairs. And the next level quarks are top and bottom because they're pairs.

And the next level quarks are strange and charmed. There are three levels of electrons as well, three different kinds of force carriers. So this is what we call the standard model.

Yeah, we chatted about that with Brian Green, right? It's been hypothesized that the strange quark under certain conditions of pressure temperature would manifest It's been hypothesized that the strange quark, under certain conditions of pressure temperature, would manifest and be the predominant particle in the object. So it'd be strange matter possibly making a strange star.

Yeah, but don't over-interpret the word strange. It's just a word to describe a variety of quark. You know where the word came from? Top and bottom quark? No, no, the quark. of quark. You know where the word came from? Top and bottom quark? No, no, the quark. From the gay community. The word. Stop. Cancel him, okay?

No, what are you talking about? I'm an advocate, okay? I don't care what you're talking about. I'm an ally, so don't cancel me. The word quark comes from James Joyce's Finnegan's Wake. Really? Yes. Okay.

How so? Because we found that there were three quarks in the middle of the proton and neutron. Right. Okay. Three. And there's some rhyme in Finnegan's Wake that says, three quarks for muster mark. And so Murray Gell-Mann,

who's one of the original physicists to think about what the particles are in... In the tiny, tiny stuff. In the tiny, tiny particles. He had that phrase in his head. And then he says, three quarks for muster mark. And so it was three,

because the number three matched. Except there's more than three. There's like, you know, two varieties times three. There's six, six kinds of quark. So the numbers in the end don't match up. Well, he didn't know. He didn't know. He just started.

He just began the investigation. But the word quark stayed. Okay. It's a dumb name. All right. Well, you can't say what does it look like, right? That's true. I mean, in my field, we see a nebula that looks like a tarantula.

We call it the tarantula nebula. Right. We see another nebula that looks like North America. It's called the North American nebula. That's so crazy. If you see a quark, what are you going to say it looks like? Well, there is nothing to say. That's what I'm saying.

There's a particle. There's nothing to say it looks like. You can't. Right. Right. Oh, that's cool. Okay. I take it back.

We do have that problem. Mr. Mark. If you ask me, how big is the universe? Well, how big is the universe? It's as big as, end of sentence. There you go. Because how could you know? Right.

You can't. It is the biggest. You can't compare it. Yeah. There you go. Because how could you know? Right, right. You can't. It is the biggest. You can't compare it. Yeah, there's nothing to compare. I can tell you how many feet will go across it, but that's. Still doesn't make it. There's no reference.

There's no reference. Right. Okay. Yeah. Let's move on to Maurice van der Linden. He says... Is he from the Netherlands or something? Yeah, could be. Van der Linden.

Van der Linden from Rotterdam. Hello, this is Maurice van der Linden from Rotterdam. They don't speak like that. I don't know what they speak like. That's right. I mean, I've been there don't speak like that I don't know what they speak like I mean I've been there several times so I still don't know what they speak they speak Dutch so you know

they sound anyway he says dear Cosmos connoisseurs Maurice from the Netherlands here and he was from the Netherlands wanting to know more about gas giants why are they named that way

oh come on, come on, Maurice. Come on, Maurice. No, maybe he's... Listen, keep reading. All right, I'm going to keep reading. All right. Don't they... Okay, look at you.

Keep reading. Don't they have a solid core and gaseous atmosphere the same as terrestrial planets? Love the show. Keep it up. So in other words, why can't we just call them,

you know, bigger atmosphere planets? Okay. Because it would go. No, when you get the Tyson neck roll. Don't make me do this. You know, you're about to get red.

Here's why. Let me tell you why. The difference is on Earth, Earth's atmosphere is to the solid planet what the skin of an apple is to an apple. Gotcha.

Whereas on the gas giants, their atmosphere is to their solid core what a peach is to its pit. Okay. That makes sense. Okay. I got what you're saying. Because, I mean, we have— Or small.

Our atmosphere is gas. It is gas. It is still gas. Ain't much of it. But it has nothing to really do with what we are if you were to really look at it. Well, structurally. Structurally, yeah. I mean, it matters for our life and our ecosphere and everything.

No, no, I'm saying if you were to take it away, we would still be a giant rock floating in space. Correct. There you go. Correct. You take away the atmosphere of the gas giants, they'd be unrecognizable. You'd have nothing.

Right. Correct. Correct. So a peach to its pit or smaller than a pit. Right. I'm trying to think of what's a good analog there. Like an apple to a seed. Yeah, but that's more seeds.

Yeah, it's more seeds. I know what you're saying. Right, right, right, right. You're such a scientist. I was thinking, you know what I mean? Seriously. You just can't let an apple have one freaking seed. That's correct.

Everybody know what the seeds of an apple look like. You will not. No, you're like, no, you cut the apple open and you got six seeds in there. So we got to have one seed. I'm educator man. Okay. And I've had some avocados lately. All right.

They had really small pits. So somebody's breeding them things to be little. Yeah. Like when we grew up. No, they were giant. Giant. Yeah. So maybe avocado one day would just have a tiny little pit.

It'll all be flesh on the outside. That'd be like the gas giants. Right. Yeah. So he's right to think, yes, they have a solid core. Right. But it's a tiny thing way down inside. Right.

And let me ask this on a follow-up from Maurice Snow, though. Is that tiny core solid because of all the pressure that the gas makes? They are made out of the same ingredients as we are. Let me be precise. Okay. The original nebula that formed

the sun and the planets, it's gas mixed with heavy elements. But they're just gaseous heavy elements. The gas giants, when they form, where do the heavy elements, but they're just gaseous heavy elements. Okay. The gas giants, when they form, where do the heavy elements go? To the center. Thank you.

And they make a solid mass there. Uh-huh. The lighter elements go up to the top, especially the hydrogen and the helium, and it has enough gravity to hold onto them. They're moving fast, but they're not going to escape because the gravity is strong.

That's it. For Earth, where do the heavy elements go? To the center. How about the gas? The lighter gases, the two lightest gases are hydrogen and helium. They're moving the fastest

at any given temperature. It's a fascinating law first discovered by James Clerk Maxwell. Okay. We should do, we should talk about that. Oh, James Clerk Maxwell?

No, no, Maxwellian distribution of velocities. Ooh. Let's do an explainer on that. We will. No, it's very cool. All right. Really cool.

I'm about it. Okay, you got it? Cool. Okay, put a pin in that. Okay. All right, good. So, we're here. We're trying to hold on to the hydrogen and helium the way Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and

Neptune did, but we can't because our gravity is stronger. We don't have enough gravity. And it all just escapes back up. And it goes out. Okay. That's really cool. So, we're stuck with the heavy gases, oxygen, nitrogen. Right.

And carbon dioxide. Okay, so that's how that works. That's how that works. Excellent. Yeah. Oh, man, that was great. Okay, cool. I like when those simple stuff.

And of course, within the solid core, the heavier stuff is in the center of the solid core. Right. Right. And what's in our solid core? We got iron. Iron. And iron is heavier than? Everything. It's heavier than the rocks. Right. Right. And what's in our solid core? We have iron. Iron. And iron is heavier than?

Everything. It's heavier than the rocks. Right. Rocks float. Compared to iron. Compared to iron. Yeah. All right.

Super cool, man. This is Vasco Vukov. And Vasco Vukov says, hello, Dr. Tyson, Mr. Nice. This is Vaso Vukov from Sofia, Bulgaria. Nice. We're trying to find aliens, but if we want to hide from them, what should we and could we do even if they point their sensors straight towards us? How stealth could the Earth possibly be?

I love that. Okay, so no watch. Okay. All right. You ready? Go ahead. Okay. Let's go back in time. Mm-hmm. Okay, so no watch. Okay. All right. You ready? Go ahead. Okay. Let's go back in time. TV signals. Right. The reason why you,

there's old timers, everyone else just won't care what I'm about to say. In the day, you could get radio stations from cities that were far away, but you wouldn't get TV stations. TV waves,

you have to be in a direct sight line to the television transmitter. So you have to have a transmitter everywhere for TV. So TV was very local in the day. Radio waves, especially shortwave, but also AM radio, its waves had the right frequency to reflect off the ionosphere of the Earth. Ooh. And it could send a signal beyond Earth's horizon. That's crazy. Okay?

Some would leak, but others would bounce back. Right. Point is, these modes of communication had leakage, especially television waves. Mm-hmm. So, someone eavesdropping on Earth, and they're, let's say, 80 light years away, they're getting the earliest radio signals

that have been emanating from Earth at the speed of light. Good evening, Mr. and Mrs. America, and all the ships at sea. Dateline. And there's howdy-doody. Right. There was, and then the TV signals would start coming in.

Early TV. The honeymooners. Uh-huh. If they want to decode our civilization. Right. They think that we're all abusive. We like to threaten our wives with violence. With violence by, to the moon.

To the moon. And that's when people laughed at that. Right. Exactly. Right. I think they laughed because she was defiant even in the face of that threat of violence. Oh my God, you are so funny. You're going to beat your wife, huh?

Right, right, right. It's crazy. It's crazy times. It's been crazy. Crazy times. So that's how they'll learn how men and women interact. That's their benchmark. So this continues throughout all the sitcoms and all the TV.

And they'll see the war broadcasts and everything. And then they get right up to Puff Daddy and he goes, nothing has changed. They get to the 1980s and signals start disappearing. Uh-oh. What the heck is happening? People are using cable. That's right. Okay.

So one of the earliest shows, which I feared would be first seen by aliens, but I think we're protected, is Beavis and Butthead. Right. That was MTV, and you got that via cable. Right. Okay. That was not transmitted into space. Oh, that's a shame.

You want the aliens. Let me tell you something. The one thing I want the aliens to see is, Are you threatening me? I am the great Capuccino. Capuccino. So,

a lot of what's happening today is protected from leakage for that reason. Right, right. Because it's a closed system. It's a closed system. It's cable. Right. So, that's my first point. Second point, here's just an interesting fact. If you're communicating through space and you have a signal,

you don't want anyone to intercept it. You want to encrypt it. Right. Okay. The perfect encryption is so well encrypted that it is indistinguishable from the din of radio noise in the universe. Oh, that is, now that is awesome. It is completely, because think about it.

Think about it. You're using some old, think about it. Okay, okay. If there was something about your signal that was different, then I would know somebody created it. Exactly. Okay?

So you need something to encrypt it so that it looks like noise and you have the noise decoder on the other side. Look at that. Okay? And when you say noise, you're talking about the cosmic microwave background. I need all of the radio noise in the universe.

In the universe. Okay? If you take a radio antenna pointed anywhere, there's like noise. Right. Of course, yeah. Okay? That's the static. It's the static. Okay? If you take a radio antenna pointed anywhere, there's like noise. Right. Of course, yeah. Okay? That's the static.

It's the static. Okay? So if I see something that doesn't look like the static, there's a signal there. Even if it is encoded, I know there's a signal there. Yeah, because it's different. It's different from the static. Right. So the perfect encodings would be indistinguishable from static.

So if a planet wanted to hide from alien eavesdropping, they would make sure that all signal transmission was so thoroughly encoded that it was indistinguishable from static. That it looked like the noise of the universe. Correct. That's great. Yes. That is really great. Yeah. That's great. Yes. That is really great.

Yeah. I love it. Yeah, yeah. And now it's a little tough because you might have more noise here than somewhere else. Right. That could give you away. Right. There's the background in and then there's a bright noise spot here.

So there's an anomaly of noise. Of noise, of noise. Yeah. Right. So you have to figure that one out too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But. That's cool though. Yeah, it's very cool. Another way to hide, yeah. Right. So you have to figure that one out too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But... That's cool though.

Yeah, it's very cool. Another way to hide from aliens? Yeah. You get one generation of astronomers to send a plaque out into space. Right. Intended to be read by aliens. This is a plaque from Pioneer 10 and 11.

Which was launched in the 1970s. And some of this iconography was also used for the Voyager missions. But notice at the bottom, there's the solar system. There's the sun and Mercury, Venus, Earth. And Earth is a line coming from Earth that shows where this spacecraft came from. Because this is a life size of the spaceship relative to the two human figures. Okay.

So you get one generation to try to talk to aliens innocently, not knowing the aliens are evil. They're going to come and suck our brains out. Right. But let them show a nine planet solar system. Right. Yeah. This one has Pluto. Right.

They're going to come looking for us because this is our return address, by the way. Right. The spider diagram. That's our distance to pulsars in the galaxy. You can triangulate on that and come right back to our vicinity. Why would we do that?

Why would we ever do that? It seemed like a good idea at the time. That's insane. I know you wouldn't give your email to another human stranger in the stream. That's like going on vacation and putting all your plans on social media. Hey, guess what? We're leaving on the 10th

and we'll be gone for two weeks. That's the perfect time to come rob my house, people. So, now they come back looking for a nine-planet solar system, and ours is not that. Well, okay. And the reason why would they not think it?

Because Pluto is represented in this. As a planet. As a planet, as the same size as Mercury and other objects here, and it's just not. Guys, we only see eight planets here. We got the wrong one. There you go. Got the wrong solar system.

Keep moving. Nothing to see here. Let's keep nothing going. Keep going. All right. Except for that one planet with all the trash out on its front lawn. What is this? What's going on there? No sign of intelligent life.

Returning home. All right. The planet Zebula. All right. This is Letitia Davis. She says, hey, this is Letitia Davis from Conway, Arkansas. So how many early cosmic discoveries were made by curious observers with no formal training? Is the frontier still within the reach of amateurs or has science advanced too far for a layperson to contribute to the cosmic perspective?

Love that. Wow, look at that. Very good, very good. All right, Leticia. So let me give something that's not an answer to that just yet, because I just want to put it out there. I wrote an essay many moons ago called Stick in the Mud Astronomy. I think it's online.

Stick in the Mud Astronomy. Okay. If you have a stick and you put it in the ground, what can you deduce about the operations of the universe from just a stick and the put it in the ground right what can you deduce about the operations of the universe from just a stick and the ground okay you can invent a a a sundial you can track rising and setting points of the sun on the horizon and the moon and all of this okay so you can go you can do quite a bit it was an homage to ancient peoples who didn't have telescopes right there's a whole essay on that called Stick in the Mud Astronomy.

All right. Without access to frontier telescopes, you're not going to discover dim things. Right. Because you're just not going to ever see them. Can't see them. However, there are more amateur astronomers in the world than there are professional astronomers. Right. Yeah.

And they all have like backyard telescopes. That's fine. Very accessible. They're looking up all the time. Amateur astronomers have famously and historically discovered comets. Right. Discovered supernova,

although we have supernova surveys now that are very efficient. You might not be in line for that. But if you see something, say something, okay? We have a clearinghouse because phenomena that comes and goes, we don't know about. Right. Right. We can't, we, we, we, I have a telescope for one night and I'm looking and I go home. That's why we have the Vera Rubin telescope, which is basically going to be, basically going to be taking

video of the universe, of the whole sky, so you can watch in case something shows up and goes away or disappears. You know what else we'll discover? Every one of Elon Musk's satellites coming across. That'll contaminate the data where we're trying to find out if there's an asteroid with our name on it. So I'm a little worried about that. So like Elon.

So like him. So what else you can do is you can, and there are coordinated groups that invest this effort. There are asteroids where we don't know how big they are. Okay. We don't have good sort of radar to asteroids. Right. So if we think an asteroid is going to come in front of a star

and blot out its light, and you have people lined up on Earth to watch this, because how big are asteroids? There's 100 meters across, a few kilometers across, a mile across, whatever. It's not thousands of miles across. whatever. It's not thousands of miles across. So you line people up on Earth and some will not see

the light of the star dim. Right. And other people will. Yeah. On each side. So only a narrow path of people will see the light dim. And that can tell you

the size of the asteroid. Mm-hmm. But you can, there are not enough amateur astronomers to do this. So everybody's got to line up, watch the object, keep good time, and do this. So yes, there's still things to do. But also, we have the citizen science projects.

We're awash in data. Yes. And we say, we're looking for this, help us. I mean, we might put AI on it, but sometimes the human touch matters because not all AI is human yet. And so, yes, there are ways you can still contribute. Very cool.

There you go. Okay, last one, real quick. All right, this is Shirahi Rivey who says, Greetings, Dr. Tyson. Lord Nice. Currently reside in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. I am a researcher and a graduate student in astrophysics. What possible aspects of our current model

of the Big Bang theory do you feel will be revised considering the contradictions to the same by the latest James Webb Space Telescope observations? Yeah, so the Big Bang is supported by so many different lines of evidence that if our galaxy models don't match what we see, chances are it's a problem with the galaxy models. It's the models.

Yeah. Not the Big Bang itself. Not the Big Bang itself. It's the way we've modeled them out. The galaxies are embedded within a much larger matrix of observations and data that have been affirmed by measurements over decades. So we think we understand galaxies.

The whole point of the James Webb telescope was to observe galaxies being born because we don't fully understand that process. If we take what we think galaxies should be like and they don't match it, you don't say toss out the whole Big Bang. You say maybe our understanding of galaxies is flawed. There you go.

But saying our understanding of galaxies is flawed. There you go. But saying our understanding of galaxies is flawed is very different clickbait from, we need to rethink the Big Bang. Right. And so that's what we're all caught up in here. Exactly. Okay. Clickbait.

Right. That's it. That's what we expect. Yeah, exactly. It's the same as the Bat Boy headlines. Oh, from the old days. Remember from the old days? Bat Boy found. It, from the old days. Remember from the old days? Bat Boy found.

It's like a boy, half boy, half bat. Right. So I forgot all about those. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That was the original clipping. Yep.

Yep. Yep. All right. All right. So that's all we have time for, Chuck. All right. Well, that was fun. Knock out another one there.

That was fun. Okay. Got from all over. Sydney. Everywhere. And the Netherlands. The Netherlands. We're global, baby.

All right, I'm liking it. Always good to have you, man. Always a pleasure. All right, this has been a StarTalk Cosmic Queries from my office here at the Hayden Planetarium of the American Museum of Natural History. As always, I bid you to keep looking up.