StarTalk Radio - Things You Thought You Knew – The Color of the Sun

Episode Date: December 30, 2025

What’s the true color of the sun? Neil deGrasse Tyson and comic co-host Chuck Nice discuss things you thought you knew about the color of the Sun, the sound of weather, and why friction is our friend. NOTE: StarTalk+ Patrons can listen to this entire episode commercial-free here: https://startalkmedia.com/show/things-you-thought-you-knew-the-color-of-the-sun/Thanks to our Patrons Jorge Aguirre, C&C Angeli, Len Brandis, Alan Parker, Aaron Ivey, AA-ron or just "AI", MD Bartlett, Nox, Nicholas Crayford, Adam Collins, Deep Patel, RAHIM THERIOT, Dan Abrams, Dan Thomas, Tig, Gloria Michelle Shirley, Mike Horvath, Daniel Brannon, Tonieh Ellis, Camila Von Malice, Kat, Nickolas Madeo, Marcus Phelps, Daniela Eneva, AndyF, Paul Purington, Paul, Mark Fowler, Thomas Freridge, Corey Ferrell, Mo O, Jacob Johnson, Matt Newcomb, Vladimir Antonovich, Steffen Sommers, Joan Morrissey, yared ts, Danielle Seitz, Edmond Fondahn, Blythe Lucas, Richard Adam, Bryant McFayden, Nayah Sci Fi, Lissett Lamboy, John Lujan, Marie Mckenna, Kaustav Chakravarthy, Hannah Bradley, Joshua Jones, EVA, Gail Knapp, Gavin Dunagan, Decoy, Athena Ozanich, Dakota Barron, William Gibson, Eleanor Dewitt, Tru Shadow, MorningSong, Matt Delashaw, Angela Woods, Eric Gorohoff, Zakary Tackett, Carmen Fragapane, Kristián Žuffa, Michael Dunsavage, Mark Bradshaw, Kelsey Harkness-Jones, Mark Rose, Brent, Mohammed Hamdy, Baz, Andrew Stevens, Rachel Jacobsen, Rick Dawson, Tibor Szabo, Raven Knight, McMarklar, Chris Cummings, FromLongIsland, Wendy Parsons, Denise Asmus, Brad, JimPP, Lauren Cooper, Juan Jove, Brent Bailey, Watts Wire Extension Cords, Graham, sean aley, NotAnotherMike, Robert Currier, Steve Vanspall, Alex Nuss, Thomas PASCAL, Antonín Karásek, Mikayla Trousdale, MC, 22 Simulations, Kasey Marsland, and Stevie for supporting us this week. Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of StarTalk Radio ad-free and a whole week early.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, everybody in the StarTalkiverse. We've got yet another Things You Thought You knew episode. This time, Chuck and I get into the color of the sun, weather acoustics, and friction. Check it out. Welcome to StarTalk. Your place in the universe where science and pop culture collide. StarTalk begins right now. Welcome to the explainer zone. Yes. The explainer zone. Yeah.

Yeah. Not the Twilight Zone. Not the Twilight Zone. We're confused at the end. Right. The explainer zone. Well, you come out knowing more than you did when you win. No one.

Some stuff. Right. And so I think there's no end to this, just so you know. Good. I will be calling you forever. All right. So I want to talk about the sun, the color of the sun. Okay.

All right. Well, you know me. I don't see color. You don't see color. Sorry, we're already done here. So, so, so, so here's a thing. If you're a school child and you, to draw a scene and you want to put the sun in the sky, what crayon do you reach for?

Well, I was a very depressed child, so black. Black, okay, no, you knew about black holes, but yes, exactly. No, oh, it's always a big yellow ball. It's always yellow. And this is, this notion. has been with us since childhood, that the sun is yellow. Yes. And that's not true.

It's not even close to being true. Uh-oh. And so, yeah, I'm sorry. You know, I don't want to, are you sad about this? Are there any kids watching, please? You might want to leave the room right now because we're not sure if there's a creola available for you to draw your little. scenes with the house and the grass and the little tulip.

Here's the thing. The sun in broad daylight is too bright to look at, all right, without risking damaging your eyes. So no. Unless, of course, you have perfect eyes. Okay. So, so you don't do it. All right. So when is the time most people ever find themselves looking directly at the sun? When is that? Well, the only times I've ever done it, The sunset and sunrise. The sun is set and sunrise. Exactly, exactly. So not only do we have the yellow crayon in our crayon box from childhood,

anytime we actually ever find ourselves looking at the sun, either on purpose or by accident, it's low on the horizon. The sun is rising or setting. It has a deep yellow color. Sometimes it's so deep it can be red, amber into red. Yeah. So, and we know the sun isn't red. of course it's not red.

We know that's an optical effect. Now, this isn't Krypton. It's not Krypton. It's not a red sun. So you know intuitively it's not red, but somehow you don't know intuitively that it's also not yellow. Okay? What color is the sun? It is white.

Now, come on, man. Why you got to do that? White. See? What? Just like everything else. All of a sudden. Chuck, not everything.

We got a white. commentary you know what seriously we gotta must we whitewash all of history including the sun really so yeah so it's not yellow okay it's not yellow now i can give you evidence of this if you need evidence but i'm simply saying that as the sun gets let's look at earth and there's the atmosphere wrapped around the earth if the sun is directly overhead or anywhere near directly overhead. It goes to sort of, let's call that one thickness of atmosphere, okay, top to bottom. As the sun gets lower and lower in the sky, the path of light through the atmosphere is longer, okay? Because now you got, there's that angle through it. And the lower the sun gets

on the sky, the more and more atmosphere it has to pass through. And in fact, you can calculate how many equivalent atmospheres it went through. Okay. And you just need a little bit of trigonometry. It's a simple calculation. And if it's low on the horizon, it goes through five, six, ten equivalent atmospheres. Gotcha. When it's low on the horizon. So whatever the atmosphere is doing to the sun when it's high up overhead, it's doing it 10 times that and more when it goes lower on the horizon. Okay. Okay. So let's see what the atmosphere is doing when the sun is overhead. In comes white light. Okay. And white light is composed of colors, as Isaac Newton demonstrated.

All the colors of the rainbow, red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, if you must, violet. Violet. Okay. So in it comes, particles in Earth's atmosphere that happen to be the same size as the wavelength of light of the blue side of the spectrum, the blue, indigo, purple, a violet side of the spectrum. those particles preferentially scatter the blue out of the sunlight, preferentially scatters it. So it subtracts away a little bit, just a little bit, all right? The rest of the light makes it all the way to Earth's surface, but some of the blue gets scattered, and that's why we have a blue sky.

Nice. The blue sky is stolen sunlight that would have otherwise passed straight through. Look at that. Right, because the sky is really clear, right? Okay, so now watch. How beautiful is that, though? Now let's have the sun get a little lower in the sky. Well, there'll be more of this going on.

Okay, more of the sky. That's why, on cloudless days into sunset, the sun gets deeper and deeper and deeper blue. The bluest sky. That's why sky blue is light blue. Right. You want to talk about serious right home to mama, blue is the blue sky that surrounds the twilight curtain of the sunset now you're talking blue

right okay so so much blue is taken out that we now roy g bib red orange yellow green blue and he took out blue indigo violet what's left red orange yellow green okay if you had those colors together you're going to get an amber sun And depending on how many particles there are, you'll get a red sun or you'll get a simple yellow sun on the horizon. And so you now look and so, oh, we have a yellow star. Look, it's yellow. No, it's the atmosphere made it yellow. Okay?

It's lying to you. And if you, so here's what you do. Broad daylight, if there's thin, cirrus clouds. Okay, so it's safer to look up to the sun. Look up to the sun in the middle of the day. Is it yellow? No. No, no.

It is white. This is very disturbing. It's quite. This is very, very disturbing. Because the clouds themselves don't change the color of the sun. It just dims it. So you look at a slightly dimmer sun behind the thin clouds as they pass. So it's not yellow.

Nice. Not only that, consider the following. All right. Now, this takes a little extra thinking. Put your thinking cap on. Okay. And we, in another explainer, we address this, but now there's a different reason for it. If I have a sheet of paper and it's white, that means light reflected of it from it is an even mixture, an equal mixture of red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet.

All those colors together in optics makes white. Don't tell this to an artist. Right. It doesn't work on the easy. No, it's just the opposite. All right. It's the opposite. Just the opposite.

You don't get black, but you'll get like sludge. You'll get sludge, right. All right. So the fact that the page is white means all of those colors of light are hitting that page. Correct. So that when they reflect up, you see white. Okay. So a white light illuminating a white piece of paper shows up to you as a white piece of paper.

There you go. Okay. Now, white reflects all colors. Let me put a red gel in front of the light. Now look at the paper. What color is it? It's red. It's red.

It's kind of pinkish, but yeah. Yeah, that's right. So it reflects all colors, but now it's only getting red. It's going to reflect the red. It reflects all colors. The page is red. Right. To your eye.

Let's put a blue gel. What happens to the page? The page is blue. Same thing, yeah. Okay. So if the sun were yellow, then snow would be yellow. Which, by the way, sometimes snow is yellow and it's not from the sun.

And whatever you do, whatever you do, stay away. Don't eat the yellow snow. Stay away from that snow. The fact that snow looks white. Right. Is evidence that it's being illuminated by white light. Wow. That white light is either sunlight or a moonlight.

that's right which is also a reflection of sunlight it's just reflected sunlight there you this is so disturbing so so so so i'm just trying to be honest i'm just trying to put it out there and just and by the way let me take you want to go up a notch are you ready to go up a notch on this i don't know if i'm ready to go up a notch i don't think you're ready okay so um white is the sun I hate where this is going already Relative to incandescent bulbs Right Okay

Your kids will have no memory of incandescent bolt But old timers If you're over 25 You're an old timer You remember bulbs that would get hot When you put them in It was a bulb with a little piece of wire And that wire used to light up

That sounds like a Ken Burns special The guy on the porch Right I remember the days where they had a bulb With a little piece of wire Now that wire would light up and get hot I would probably pull the switch We pulled the switch and it gave off light

Now first it looked like magic Okay we got to put you on the list Of the next Ken Burns special The Origin of the Lightbulb. So All right So where was, and I forgot what? Yeah, he's saying incandescent bulbs.

Okay, incandescent bulbs. Incandescent bulbs when you turn them on. The temperature of the filament is not as high as the temperature of the surface of the sun. And so the higher the temperature, the more full that spectrum becomes. So if you looked at the spectrum of a bulb in your house, or an incandescent bulb, it's very weak in the blue section. There's some blue there, which is why blue still looks blue under that light. but the blue is very weak under an incandescent light bulb. Okay?

So if you bring out film that needs the full complement of blue and you take a picture under incandescent lights, everything is going to be red. That film, if it needed the blue, is called daylight film. This is why there was a difference. Again, I'm only talking old-timers here. There was indoor film, and tungsten film,

outdoor film. And the outdoor film was color-balanced to get the entire spectrum of the sunlight. If you took indoor film and put it outside, that indoor film is too sensitive to blue because it's making up for the feeble blue coming out of a bulb. And it goes out and it's getting all the blue it ever wanted. If you have indoor film, took a picture outside, everything looks blue. Because it was hypersensitive to blue. And the sun has plenty of it. Okay. So to a photographer Sunlight is blue. It's highly blue. And they have to correct for that if they're going from indoors to outdoors.

They have to redo the color balance on a white sheet of paper to account for the difference between indoor lighting and outdoor lighting. Now, here's where they all got it wrong. But they're not going to change it because they're deep into it. You ready? Now we have the blending of science and technology with art. You ready? Here it is. If an artist draws...

an arctic scene. What color is prevalent? White. And what color? Blue. Blue. Right. If an artist draws Dante's hell, what color is prevalent?

Red and orange. Red and orange. Okay, so emotionally, we think of blue as cold and red is hot. Photographers will tell you we need to reduce the temperature of the light which means make it colder emotionally but the only way to do that is to get more

blue in it which means upping the temperature of the tungsten that they have shining on you or to put more blue into it and in the old days that meant a hotter light bulb so they said we need a cooler scene they had to have a hotter bulb we need a warmer scene they had to have a colder bulb to do that wow and that language is still embedded in that entire profession. Yep.

That is true. The opposites, and they meet in the middle and they deal with it. The opposites of art and technology and science and the physics of light. I'm Ali Khan Hemorrhage. support StarTalk on Patreon. This is StarTalk with Neil DeGrasse Tyson. So I got one for you. How about acoustic effects in climactic phenomenon?

Really? Yeah, yeah. I just thought, just thought about that. Okay, it sounds like something that if somebody said to me at a cocktail party I'd be like I gotta get a drink

I'll be right back but they will come back because it's intriguing enough but they gotta get they got to get prepped they're chemically prepped for it exactly all right so let's start out

with thunder lightning for example so lightning in its path between the ground and the clouds or between a cloud and the cloud never goes in a straight line

because it's finding the path of least resistance the entire time unknown to you. This is what it's doing. And then when you see the lightning strike, it is already a predetermined path between one point and another. All right. Now, it turns out the sound of lightning is simply the shock wave

of rapidly heated air by the bolt of electricity moving through the air, which is extremely odd. Right. Okay, it's thousands of degrees. But what matters is that it is the air is some other temperature, and then it is instantaneously made extremely hot. This creates an expanding shockwave that we hear as thunder. Okay. Now, because the path of the lightning is not straight, there are kinks in the root.

So each segment of that kinky lightning, has its own generated shockwave, okay? Right. So now you have multiple kinks generating their shockwaves, and you can have constructive and destructive interference of competing shockwaves. That makes so much sense. Oh, go ahead. Okay, okay.

Oh, this is good. Okay, so our research has found the lightning, 50,000 degrees. 60,000 degrees Fahrenheit. Yes, okay. That's hot, okay? All right. So now watch. So with these different segments, that's why a single lightning bolt, and by the way,

the lightning bolt is not all the same distance from you, okay? The parts that are a little closer that were on the ground. If it's cloud to cloud, the part directly above you is closer than farther away. So the sound will hit you at different times, but it's one generated event. Right. So that's why the lightning. can go, snap, quackle, pop. Okay?

That's why it's not just one acoustic experience. It is a highly... I love your thunder. You like my thunder? We have to isolate. No. What just happened? If I see that on a meme, I will kick you.

My God, I am so... I'm going to kick... That is so going to be a meme. So, so here's the lightning. and it's because of the acoustical configuration of the lightning bolt itself. That is wonderful. I'm serious. That is so great because one of my favorite things in the world is to hear lightning,

to hear thunder, but not the rumbling thunder. The thunder that sounds as if it is tearing the sky. Yeah, because it's, okay, I'm getting there. That's my next point. Okay. So, so I'm just simply. accounting for, by the way, constructive and destructive interference, if you're not familiar with that, so sound travels in waves, so it crests and troughs, and this is a pressure

wave through the air that hits your eardrum, your ear drum vibrates, we interpret that as sound. So does your body, too. By the way, there's certain frequencies of sound that are longer, sorry, there's certain wavelengths of sound that are longer than what will fit in your eardrum. so your ear drum will have a hard time communicating it to your brain but the length

of the wavelength is about the size of your chest cavity that's the low frequency long wavelength and so there are some sounds that you feel more than you hear

oots, oot, oot, oot, that's the rhythm section of the the beat what are they called the beat boppers or what are they called? Gle-Botsers, yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Boy, if I heard lightning starting to do that, it was like, whoa, there is a God. God is a DJ. So here's what happens. The lightning sound is a huge cacophony of frequencies of sound energy, okay? High frequency, low frequency.

But here's the problem. High frequency doesn't try, travel very far. It's easily disrupted. It can easily lose its energy relative to the energy that it started with. And if high frequency sound loses its energy, it becomes lower frequency sounds. So the farther away you are from a lightning strike, the lower is the total cacophony of frequencies that reach you. Ah-huh. So lightning on the horizon, is... All right.

Okay, if you have a pet dog, they hear that and they notice that. And they might start trembling and you don't even know why because that frequency is below what you can hear, the dogs hear it. All right. As the storm gets closer and closer,

the higher frequencies become more and more part of what you hear. And if you hear a lightning strike, where that sounds like it's ripping the fabric of the spacetime continuum, it meant it hits your house. all right so so that's what's going on there sound moves through air at about 700 miles an hour plus or minus depends on the

density of the air but i like easy math so let's just declare that the sound is moving at 600 miles an hour okay 600 miles an hour is the speed of sound in air how far does sound go in a minute well that's 600 divided by 60 that's how far I don't know you just set up the verbal math problem

did not compute it no that's not allowed I don't know 120 miles so if it's 600 miles an hour and you divide by 60 minutes right then sound will move 10 miles

in a minute 10 miles in a minute in a minute. Right. So if sound moves 10 miles in a minute, how many seconds does it take the sound to move one mile? 10 seconds. Or six seconds, right?

Six seconds. So it moves a mile every six seconds so that after a minute, it moves 10 miles. Right. And after an hour, it moves 600 miles. Right. So basically, if you want to know how far a way, way the rain is from you time get the time difference between when you see a lightning strike and when

you hear it so you see the flash and then you count one thousand one down mississippi 2003 so if it's five seconds let's say that's almost six seconds so the the storm is about a mile away a mile away yeah about a mile away and so and the real number is 700 miles an hour so it's you know you make a small adjustment, but you get the basic idea, okay? Sound moves a mile every six seconds. And so just for your habits. And if you hear the thunder and it never gets closer than that, the rain is not headed towards you. Don't worry about it. Go home. Go back to sleep. Nice. If that time the light keeps getting shorter and shorter and shorter, watch out. Watch out. Yep. Got more leave your house. Hit you. You're about to lose your house. Yeah, Dorothy, you're not in Kansas anymore. There you

do. Nice. So a couple of other acoustic things. So, for example, A snowflake is very, very, it's highly variegated, right? He's got six sides. It's got a lot of texture. And if you have snow that's descending and it's just softly landing on blankets on the surface, okay? Now you have sound. Generally, when you hear someone from a distance, you are relying on the fact that the sound is bouncing off the pavement, off the walls. We don't think often about this, but reflected.

sound is a big part of how we interact with our world around us. Mm-hmm. All right. If you have snow everywhere, the surface of the snow is not rigid. It's not highly reflective. In fact, it's highly absorbent. So, particularly for city people, know this. If all of a sudden, the city gets quiet and you don't hear anything.

Look out the window, chances are snowing. Nice. Because the sound of the cars, when all the normal, sounds that reach you by reflecting off of steel and glass and concrete and cement is no longer reflecting. It's all muffled. Yeah. And so, so the song, the Christmas song, Silent Night, Holy Night, whatever other reasons you want to think of it as a silent night, if it has just snowed, guaranteed to be more silent than it otherwise would have ever been. Snow is nature soundproofing. Now, nearer soundproofing. Now, when you're walking on snow,

okay as opposed to walking on sunshine okay if it's just snowed and you're walking on it okay and that will normally be a silent uh exercise okay because you're just pressing down snowflakes because they landed softly and now you're just sort of compressing them fine if it's colder i forgot the temperatures if it's colder than like 25 degrees 20 or low 20s If it's definitely if it's in the teens or lower, if you then step on the snow, okay, the snow says, I will not yield under your boot print. I'm going to hold my shape because it is cold enough that we are all solid and rigid. And what happens? The snow crunches.

Yeah. Then you crunch on snow. So if you're filming a movie or if you're observing a scene and you hear people crunching on the snow, guarantee the temperature. in the low 20s are in the teens. Or there's a guy in a booth with some corn flakes and he's just matching the sound to the people walking. The sound studios have all those sound effects. Right.

So that's why snow crunches at cold temperatures and does not crunch at warmer temperatures. By the way, at the warmer temperatures, your pressure is enough to melt the snow, okay, to bring it immediately below the freezing point. That's a whole other StarTalk explainers that we've done. What ice will do under pressure. Pressure. Yeah. So these are interesting sort of sound things to look out for when this happens. Now, it has been rumored that Aurora, that you can hear Aurora. And I don't, I'm not convinced of that. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Because it happens, you know, it's, it happens 50,000 feet up, you know, 10 miles away and farther up in the atmosphere where the atmosphere is really thin. Right. It is a lexicon. So it could be that it's creating other electrical phenomenon in your environment. But to say that you heard sound that comes from that high, I'm not convinced of that.

I don't believe. But people say it. So it's worth the essays. It sings. Yeah. Yeah. It's worth investigating. I think so.

Yeah. And so let me think. Any other sounds you heard in weather that you wonder about? I mean, you know, aside from the fact that my uncle used to like to make a lot. his own sounds and then blame it on me while we were walking in the cold other than that. Now, and here's another one.

You know, the sound of hail hitting, right? These are basically, these are like marbles falling out of the sky. I know what that sound is. That is the sound of a call to the insurance adjustment. Yes. So people think, you know,

you know, when do you get hailed most? You get it in the summertime, right? That's weird. Ice falling out of the sky in the summertime. Well, it's a reminder that the sun is not heating the air. The air is transparent to sunlight. That's why you can see the sun from Earth's surface through the air. So this is up to Los Angeles.

In Los Angeles and Beijing and Mexico City. Right. So those are inversion layers. So they're climatically susceptible to. trapping smog. Both of those three areas. You notice they're all in basins. Santiago, Chile as well.

So here's what happens. The sun heats the ground. The ground heats the air. But if you go high above the ground, it gets very, very cold, very, quickly, no matter the time of year. All right. But in the summertime,

you have the most ground heating. And so you have the most unstable air columns. So the biggest, thickest, juiciest cumulonimbus clouds, which we all learn about in elementary school, the big puffy ones. You find those in the summer turf. And you look at them and you think the cloud is just sitting there. But if you look for long enough, you will see that it is roiling. And in the roiling, there is very highly unstable air rising within it.

The more unstable the air is in the upwardly rising columns, the harder. it is for whatever is hanging out in there to fall out of the cloud. Wow. Because it's kept buoyant by these upwardly moving air columns. Right. So you first nucleate

a little droplet of ice. It wants to fall. I say, no, you're not. And it comes back out and it nucleates with more moisture. Because what is a cloud? It's a big pocket of moisture. Okay. Droplets. Droplets. Water drum. So it gathers more moisture. And ah, no, you're not. And, no, you're not. And it keeps doing this.

It keeps doing this. Until the frozen ball says, you ain't holding me this time. And that's why all of hail is about the same size. Because it had to get to that size to overcome the highly unstable air columns that were supporting it. And so the more turbulent is the air, the louder they will be when they hit the ground.

And then there it is. And we always reference the, size of hail to some other object, which I find interesting. It was softball size hail. It was baseball sized hail. I've never seen anybody talk about hail-sized golf balls. Right. Maybe it's obvious why, but I don't know.

But anyhow, so Chuck, that's a little bit of the sound of weather. I love it. So, so very cool. Oh, and one other thing. One last thing. You ever been driving a car and it's raining? and it's raining, you know, the whole time you're driving. And then you come under an overpass, and it's silent.

Yes. Okay. Just silent. That's an interesting phenomenon because what your brain had done was create the sound of rain as the normal. So that when you go under the underpass, it's the absence of rain that you take notice of. See, and that happens in my everyday life where the normal sound is a house. is a house full of annoying children

running around and when do you step out the house you say what was that was that? When you step out into silence you wonder

you look around so silent out here what's relevant what happened and I'm like God did we move to the country so there's a word I've seen

and it hasn't caught on but I think it should it's the sound of the absence of rain under an overpad okay and it's called a down pause oh instead of a downpour yeah down pause down pause down pause oh that's lovely i'm gonna leave you with that friction oh my goodness yes friction now friction usually when people talk about friction it's bad

all right you could bring out the wd 40 it's squeaking it's friction and it's friction burn friction burn right right right right but let me tell you without friction life as we know it would not be possible. Friction is your friend. See, I have lots of missing skin on my knees. Would that dead to differ. So friction, I mean, just think about it. If you just sort of put your elbow on the table, right,

and you just rest it there. Yes. And then you want to listen to me. If there was no friction, you would just slide, I'll be nothing keeping your elbow there. That's why I stopped wearing silk shirts. So, and let's say you wanted to drive your car. You need the friction between your tires and the road so that you will move forward.

If there were zero friction between your car and the road, the wheels would just spin. And nothing would happen. Okay. You would go nowhere. You wouldn't be able to start the car, to move the car, slow down the car, stop the car, or even steer the car. All of that requires friction. To walk, to walk, you put a foot down, there is friction there, you press back and your next foot moves forward in advance of it. That required friction.

This is why on slippery ice where there is no friction, you can't walk. you can't run. And you say, oh, and you say, this is bad. Put me back on regular ground. What you're really pleading for is give me some friction. Right. You don't say that because friction has a bad name. And what do you do when it's cold out and you're not wearing gloves? What do you do? Oh, that feels hot. I just realized it's cold in my house. Okay. So you do that. Okay. Friction is your friend. Oh, that's nice. So, so, so, We'll do a whole other thing on friction becoming heat.

That's a whole other explainer. That needs its own time for that. Oh. But a fiction can help get you warm. All right. So the only thing that really does not use friction is rockets. All other transportation requires friction. Oh, bicyclines, trains.

Okay. Planes in order to take off. Oh, my goodness. That's right. All of this. requires friction to take the planes needed to take off oh so with a rocket however by the way it's why rockets work in space where there's no air there's nothing rubbing against anything else it sends material out the back and it recoils forward right so all rockets that are accelerating are

losing mass in order to do it in a recoil whereas you don't have to lose mass to do it you just have the press against the earth. Right. Well, Newton told us for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction. So, if you are stand still and you start moving forward, actually something has to start moving backwards. And it's communicated that way through friction. So what happens?

You move forward with a certain momentum. What are you pushing against? The ground. The ground. The ground has to move backwards. And it does. so the entire earth is responding to the fact that you moved in one direction okay oh man could we all get together every human being just in one group and start running in one direction

will we speed up the earth yes or slow it down depending on which direction and it has to be due east or due west correct be do eastward yes what so if so if everyone lined up okay and started It's running due east. Okay. So that will sort of spin, right, which way are we turn it? Returning this way. So you have to run and run due west.

And if everybody does that with their scurrying feet, you will speed up the rotation of the earth. What? That is the response of the earth to you propelling yourself forward by way of friction connecting you to the earth that's off. It's true with cars. it's true with everything. Now, I once did a calculation, and I said, let's get our most powerful

rocket engines, bench-mount them at the equator where you have sort of maximum torque on the earth, and can we use that to either speed up or slow down the earth? And I did the math on that, and it's hopeless. Okay. It's like a gnat flying full speed into the side of an elephant, and believing the elephant even took notice. Okay. Sorry. Very confident Matt. Very confident. It's a very confident Nat.

In fact, it's less than that. So, but, but. Take that, dumbbo. What I'm saying is the momentum that we all gave each other by putting ourselves into motion, you can write down that number. Momentum is your mass times your velocity that you gave yourself.

Okay? Earth's rotation increase or decrease will have changed by exactly that same amount of momentum so that they both cancel. because you start it out both not moving relative to each other. So if one thing starts moving, the other thing has to recoil the other way so that they balance out. That's physics 101.

So if you go forward, Earth goes backwards by the exact same total momentum. But Earth has so much mass relative to all the mass of the humans, that your momentum, which is mass times velocity, that's the only quantity that has to be the same. All right. So all we humans run forward and add up all our mass and get our all our velocities, add it all up. And we've got this hunkering earth with this really large mass.

And it gets a teeny, little, bitty velocity to balance us out. So if you don't notice it. But you can calculate what that effect is and it is real. It is real. Wow. Excellent. And it's friction. It's all friction.

So I just want you to think of friction as a good thing. It's more good than bad. one thing friction does is it slows down things that were put into motion and Aristotle not really understanding friction Aristotle got most of his physics wrong by the way he's not a champion he's no hero in physics and astrophysics thank god he had philosophy philosophers like him and he did important things but there's stuff he could have really checked and he didn't and so it's it's before experimental philosophy kicked in as a person of thinking philosophy. And so the experimental philosophers, Bacon had a whole book just on experiments that he said he

conducted, but there's like a thousand experiments in it. And that's what he'd be doing every day for the rest of his life. So I don't think he did them all. But it's a book. We collected them. And so he, and Galileo, do the experiment if you have an idea. Okay. So.

Because otherwise, and no disrespect, Aristotle, you're just bullshit. No, you just thinking stuff up that you think should be true because it makes sense to you. We could all do that. In the armchair. So he said, things in motion tend to come to rest. Okay. So that's true, right? All right.

But Galileo said, wait a minute. If I wax the track, you know, I have a thing, I roll it down the hill and it stops like here. Now I make it smoother. it stops a little farther away. Make it even smoother. It starts even farther away. And he said, wait a minute. What would happen if there was no

friction on this track? Where will it stop? And he concluded that things in motion will tend to stay in. He fed Newton's things in motion tend to stay in motion. It's the opposite of Aristotle. Unless acting on by an outside

trip. Oh, look at that. And so Galileo was the bridge between Aristotle and Newton and doing the experiments by waxing the track, making it ever more smooth, reducing the friction coming, that enabled him to establish a fundamental truth about nature, going beyond just what your life experience is. Look at Galileo, the Mr. Miyagi of physics. Who knew? Wax on.

Wax off. So I just want you to appreciate friction. You know, I will, I will not. I know. I still can't get my head around liking friction. But it is necessary. Without friction, everything would just be floating, would be gliding. Sliding around.

Sliding around. You sit on a couch, the couch would just slide back. By the way, you could push very heavy things. If there's a freight train, I don't care what it weighed. If it's on frictionless tracks, let's say it's a maglev frictionless track, and you have a little handle, just take it to start pulling. So you can put a force on it. And yes, it's way more mass than you are. So the velocity will be small, but it'll have some velocity.

So you can just start pushing it. And this is why those strong men in competitions, okay, where they pull with it in the old days, they pull the train with their teeth. okay it's because trains are on steel rolling wheels on steel tracks which has very low friction okay if you took it off the tracks and let it sit there in the mud and then have them tried to tug the train that ain't happening that's that's kind of funny though you could pull things that have wheels on them because wheels have very low friction in the transmission of the movement of that object to the ground because you're not dragging it on the ground right but the wheel of stuff still needs a little bit of friction in order to not spin spin out that's all that's so cool oh you know i i have to say

i i will never think of friction in the same way one last thing okay one last thing uh when astronauts re-enter the atmosphere and they have that you know, the burning phase, you know. Yes. The flames and the, all right. We say, oh, my gosh, will they survive? This is bad. How good?

No, you need that. The astronauts coming out of orbit are going 17,000 miles an hour, and they didn't bring fuel to break. Oh. Okay, because all they would have to do, all they would have to do, we don't do this, but what they could do is bring enough fuel. While you're in orbit at 17,000 miles an hour, because that's orbital speed, turn their ship around and fire it backwards.

Right. That will slow you down. And you keep doing that until you, like, have zero velocity, and then you just drop out of the sky. If you drop out of the sky, you're not going to be burning up. Because what's burning up is the kinetic energy of having gone 17,000 miles an hour in the first place. I saw a movie. I think it was one of these Mars movies, one of the earlier ones that became a, went where there's something happening on a platform and the guy falls off the platform but it's a

stable platform up there above the ground and as he falls we see him just burn up it's like no no the act of falling through the atmosphere alone is not what burns you up it's the fact that you are going from 17000 miles an hour to zero and where does all the kinetic energy go there is friction between you and the air molecules passing across your surface. There's also shockwaves that communicate as you're going faster than the speed of sound. Shockwaves take all this energy that you have and convert it into heat. And then the heat dissipates. And then you fall down out of the sky alive because you have special heat shield that protect you.

Uh-huh. There you go. And before we perfected the tiles that we used on the shuttle, you know what the heat shield was astronauts they weren't really shields a shield is something that protection we call them shields but that's not what they were you know what they were they're like onion layers of burnable material oh so they just burned off exactly but you had to go through enough of them to get to the to the crispy center where the astronauts are where the astronauts are So it turns out coming out of orbit, you need more of these layers than when you come back from the moon. So coming back from the moon, you just make that layer thicker.

And then it ablates and it heats, it burns off and goes out, that takes the heat away. And it's as these layers go. So it was a very blunt, effective heat shield. But it's really a shield that dissolves away in the heat. All of that, the friction, the shock waves. And that allows you to not have to take fuel in order to. slow down using fuel because you're basically aerobraking sweet that's what reentry is it's a form of arrow breaking that is fascinating friction is your friend that's all I'm trying to tell you Chuck

every astronaut loves friction otherwise they can't come home you can't come home or you need fuel to slow down that's all I'm saying you want to exploit to exploit what you got and so you should say great they're burning up their heat shields that's a good thing sweet all right I'm liking it. Chuck. Friction is your friend. All right. I got a new friend today.

That makes one. Makes one one friend. Chuck and his one friend. I got my one friend. He freaks it. All right. Neil deGrasse in here, your personal astrophysicists. Keep looking up.

Thank you.