Stavvy's World - #41 - HBO's The Telemarketers

Episode Date: September 11, 2023

Sam Lipman-Stern and Chris Passig, director and editor respectively of the HBO docuseries 'The Telemarketers,' join the pod to discuss Sam's wild years working at a bizarre telemarketing company, sift...ing through years of Sam's footage to craft what would become the show, Sam's poly parents, how to do cop voice on the phone, and much more. Watch 'The Telemarketers' on HBO and Max! Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app and use code STAVVY to score $200 IN BONUS BETS INSTANTLY when you bet just $5. For more info, visit https://www.draftkings.com/ Visit https://helixsleep.com/stavvy and use code HELIXPARTNER20 to receive 20% off all mattress orders AND two pillows. Wanna be part of the show? Call 904-800-STAV and leave a voicemail to get advice! Unlock exclusive, Patreon-only episodes at https://www.patreon.com/stavvysworld

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Starting point is 00:00:00 I have a big family and they're spread around multiple countries. So a few years ago it was my brother's wedding and most of them decided to come. Great news, but a big problem. Where do you put eight people all with different requirements and keep them all together? We looked at some hotels but then it was obvious get an Airbnb. My mom and I were able to find the perfect place. It was a big house with multiple rooms and in a part of the city with woods
Starting point is 00:00:27 and walking trails all around. The Airbnb also included a huge kitchen where we all got together the day after the wedding for a big family meal. This is a cherished memory for my family and me. And whenever I drive by that location, it always makes me smile. Not long ago, my mom and I stopped by that area to walk around and remember one of the most special times for my family.
Starting point is 00:00:49 Whether you're traveling with friends or with family for a big wedding or justification, get an Airbnb. We're back, baby. 904, 800, stop. Call in, we'll solve all your problems. We have a little bit of a special episode here, folks. We have from the, from HBO's telemarketers, it's a great limited series, like a limited documentary on HBO right now. Fucking rules.
Starting point is 00:01:19 I saw, I was at the program, I was like, enough to go to Premiere, it was fucking sick, and I was like, we gotta get, we gotta get some fellows from the doc on the pod to talk about this shit. So we have the creator, Sam Lipman Stern, and we got my boy Chris Pasek. That's it? Fuck yeah, dude. If I just said it with confidence, no one would have been the wiser.
Starting point is 00:01:38 And then if I fucked it up, you know, I'd be like, oh my bad. Now I was in No Man's Land there, folks, let that be a lesson. If you're unsure of what to do with the name going with confidence and if you fucked it up it does you know what I mean you apologize but you take your swings so be bold in life don't be a bitch like me coming starting the podcast but Chris and Sam thanks for coming boys. Thank you so much for having us. So for those of you who don't know obviously the list of just I was well, uh, telemarketers, it's on HBO right now. It's all you can get it on max whenever
Starting point is 00:02:10 the fuck you want, fire it up. Um, it's a wild story. Like this shit is, cause I was, I don't know if you guys know, I was also a telemarketer. So Sam, the way, the way this whole thing started was you were a telemarketer at a very shitty like an insanely shitty telemarketing form Like one of the most it looks like it was like Fallujah over there I saw the so at the premier you guys screen the first episode. There's three total episodes and I was like It was fucking wild. I'll this I assume you didn't watch it like I told you to it. Is that correct? Great like I told you to, is that correct? That is correct. That's right. Great. No or a sick down this.
Starting point is 00:02:46 It's not all good. It's not all good. It's not all good. Fels, please let me handle my employee as I wish, please. Don't get in the way when I'm disciplining Eldis for not preparing. God forbid you fucking turn it on. I know he has nothing to do.
Starting point is 00:03:02 That's the thing. We're together so much time that I know when he's going home. What did you watch yesterday, elders? Let's start there. When you went home, what did you take in? What media? Watch a couple of pond stars. You said you know what I was about.
Starting point is 00:03:14 A pond stars. Damn. It's not a forever search. That actually hurts. It's not a forever search. Instead of revealing his eyes. He has max. I know that he has the capacity to do it
Starting point is 00:03:26 I would have given him my password if he wanted to know our boy went home What was the best piece of what is the best thing on pond stars? What would you say what piece of memorabil the best thing on Pond Stores? What would you say? What piece of memorabilia made the most mark on you, Elders? From yesterday. I don't know, I wasn't even paying that much attention. That's kind of scrolling on my phone all watching. Well, there you have it, folks.
Starting point is 00:03:56 So Elders will be able to weigh in quite a bit during this conversation. But tell them the doc is awesome. And so you, so just kind of take us, like you were a little, you were young as fuck, that's the other thing. So you're, you're, you're in your, how old you now, but? 36. 36. And you were working this place. How old were you?
Starting point is 00:04:16 You were 14. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they're breaking law. You're not allowed to. I think so in Jersey, I have to go to work with, for with my mom to get my working papers. 14 still see 14. Yeah, yeah.
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Starting point is 00:05:53 Like, tell marketing is one thing, but yeah, manual labor. You're fucking fucked up. They don't sound fucked up. Yeah, and Chris, by the way, we should say, you edited the whole thing. So that's, so you went through, I mean, how much footage did you have from 14 to,
Starting point is 00:06:07 like over a hundred hours. Over a hundred hours, damn. And some of the footage starts from your 14. So this is a really interesting doc because it kind of spans from when you're 14 to like a few years ago, but basically now, yeah, yeah. Which is fucking crazy. So you had, you know, you're working with 20 years
Starting point is 00:06:24 and hundreds of hours of fucking footage and shit, which is fucking crazy. So you had, you know, you're working with 20 years and hundreds of hours of fucking footage and shit, which is awesome. Yeah, there was a lot of like four-tiered, there was like hours and hours just of like 12-year-olds smoking balls. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's, that was about 96 hours. I know you got a little bit in the shower.
Starting point is 00:06:44 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just a clip of that, but that was the end. There were you getting hurt that came from. You getting high and watching like Beast Master. Oh, two more. Beast Master was fucking awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude. I remember that.
Starting point is 00:06:54 That was like Saturday morning. Yeah, yeah, it was part of the like, Zena and Hercules Bloss. Oh, it was for great, great stuff, dude. I was all over that. Lot of beating off to Zena early on in my life. Shout out to Lucy Lollis. And Gabriel.
Starting point is 00:07:06 Gabriel, her like, what's the lesbian version of a twink? Does anybody know what that is? They gotta have a word for that. They're gonna progressive in a way. When you think about it for the time. Clearly, I mean, I guess, but what was the age gap? Now let's really talk about it.
Starting point is 00:07:20 There was this age gap. It's, you know, a groomer. We've seen it, the warrior princess, a classic groomer. How old was Gabriel you know, a groomer. You see this, you know, the warrior princess, a classic groomer. How old was Gabrielle? Let's talk about it. You're right, dude. Oh shit, yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:30 And you don't think, we'll really get progressive when we start talking about lesbian HGAPs. We're not there yet. It's mostly about guys, but we will get there as a society one day we will, you know. But there's, whatever Gabrielle, I don't know the parlance apologies to the lesbian listeners of Stavis world. one day we will, you know, but there's whatever Gabrielle, I don't know the parlance apologies to the lesbian listeners of Stavis world.
Starting point is 00:07:47 I have many dear lesbian friends. I fucked up. Text me, let me know what the equivalent of a lesbian twink is. I mean, it's not lips, that's a different thing. Anyway, so you're getting high, you're watching Beast Master, Elzina, Mercury's, and you're also... And Pokemon. And Pokemon of course. I remember's, and you're also... And Pokemon.
Starting point is 00:08:05 And Pokemon, of course. I remember smoking weed coming home from school and watching Pokemon. I was a little too old. I was like 12 or 13. Dude, but that shit was fired, dude. That age. So, ultimately, you're getting eye-watching Pokemon. That's the classic.
Starting point is 00:08:19 Like, Dan Soder has a great joke. He talked about it on this podcast, too, he was, he grew up white trash and he started smoking so young that there was an overlap where he still played with action figures and smoked cigarettes. And that's not as extreme, but fucking, rolling your own joint and watching ash get his fucking water badge. Yes. Well, you're right. Oh, dude, that's fucking like really good memories. And I gotta say, that sounds awesome. That's what it's supposed to be. I was too scared to smoke weed at 13,
Starting point is 00:08:49 but I started smoking weed at, I remember there was like one kid who, what was Jewish, I will say, I don't know what that's about. You smoking weed early, we have one here. I'm like, hey, Jew. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was, I guess that's what it was, there's that big contingent of like hippie,
Starting point is 00:09:02 Jew parents that just like, weed was around. To me. That was so much of my family. Okay, hell yeah. Yeah, that was my family. Like, is it, are we talking like commune style? Really?
Starting point is 00:09:12 Yeah, it's like grew up like, kinda like, I guess like lower middle class and like apartment complexes in Jersey. Okay. Which I love because they're super diverse. Yeah. Like all kinds of people living in really tight space. You got like an African dude downstairs from like,
Starting point is 00:09:27 you know, that was fleeing the civil war. Like from China next door and Greek and Colombian and just kids like running around the apartment complex throwing up together. But my family was hippie Jews. Interesting. Yeah, so my mom lived on a cub boots and is really, I think it's kind of works.
Starting point is 00:09:44 She got some of these ideas Where they like yeah, that's like that's like almost like Distilled communism. Yeah, where there's not even government. It's like we are just all working to make this farm Fucking like function and that's it no one gets any wages and just pure survive. Yeah, dude It's kind of interesting and then so but we grew up in Central Jersey. So we were like the only hippie family in that area. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And my parents were like, polyamory.
Starting point is 00:10:12 Oh my God. Which I can talk about now. You have a whole motion. Thanks to therapy. Talk about it. Dude, that's my favorite thing in the world is the children. It's one thing to mock the polyamorous, right? And by the way, shout out to some,
Starting point is 00:10:26 there's some polyamorous ladies. Shout out to the polyamorous ladies. Shout out to them. It's awesome. I have a couple friends in open relationships who we hang out and they'll give me top. That's awesome. That's a cool setup.
Starting point is 00:10:39 It is awesome. So shout out to them, right? But the, the, where I always have, and I can even kind of entertain the idea where it always is a problem is when a child is in the mix yeah I'm the result there you can be probably amres you I'll talk about you can talk about asking questions all right I would love yeah so so you're so that's why you want it I'm like why is he getting a job at 14 it's like to stop listening to his parents gang bang
Starting point is 00:11:05 his family friend to stop hearing on that far on Gen like getting her pussy by my mom in the next room. My I want I need to start working. I'm tired. You can only turn Pokemon up so loud. You can only drown out. That is right. Why did you that far?
Starting point is 00:11:24 Squirtle blast oyster dauce is fucking a tax. Can only fucking. Fucking taking a bon hit. I'm trying to drown out the sorrow. That's awesome. That's what allowed me to fucking leave school and start telemarketing, dude. Your friends were so horny.
Starting point is 00:11:41 You, they allowed you to drop out of school. They're like, yeah, whatever, man. I'm trying to get this nut off. I'll sign whatever you need me to sign. That was basically it. Yeah. And here I am today. Here.
Starting point is 00:11:53 We will return to that without question. Any questions about that? I'm open. Here's a therapy now. I can just talk openly, no emotions. I'll fill you in a detail. Were they ever tell you to scram so they could host an orgy? No, they never asked me to scram, but I...
Starting point is 00:12:07 They never hosted. That's probably more because your apartment was so shitty. It was a small... They wouldn't dare bring. There's no friends over the fuck in it. Yeah, there's not. But there was a... We had a Puerto Rican shaman living on the couch.
Starting point is 00:12:19 There was a psychic living in the attic. There was a homeless dude living in the pantry. And his feet would just stick out like my brother's going weed in the closet you met Oh, did they fuck the Puerto Rican shaman or was just no spiritual I can't That's another documentary Oh, yeah He put it that all in there. Oh
Starting point is 00:12:50 And then it just wasn't up. Yeah, no one knows this about my hippie back Yes, really wow you think this was it a woman or a man? So do you think you think Phoenix you could she see the future that handing you that camera brought us to this very couch right now? Honestly, I think so. I think so. Phoenix could see Elders watching Chumley get value a postcard with Captain America on it
Starting point is 00:13:19 for $12 and the guy being like, nah, you gotta be more than that. And Chumley being like, look look you can probably get a hundred for it But I I gotta get some when I move it, you know that you think Phoenix could see eldest not logging on the HBO Max The shaman Dude psychic and shaman together. That's pretty fucking sick. It is it was yeah, those are powerful energy Raphael the shaman Who was also a scam artist?
Starting point is 00:13:59 That's fucking sick. It was wild. It was wild. Any Anybody in your family fuck a shaman or anybody in your house fuck a shaman, Chris? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,. I think, I think, I think, I think I'll be able to mention that, maybe do it some time. You gotta do that, dude. No, that's, you know, please, that needs to happen. Cool. So your house is such a mess that you're like, fuck it, I can't be inside. I'm going to go start telemarketing basically.
Starting point is 00:14:38 I mean, I was, I was, it back then it was normal, dude. That was, I just felt like that was normal. That was my normalcy. But I was in ninth grade. And I remember just not liking it. And I was, so I came home and I'm like, yeah, I don't want to go to school anymore.
Starting point is 00:14:54 And my mom's like, all right. Yeah, cool, whatever. I'm going to school anymore. That's awesome. So whenever she went, she brought me into the high school and was like, sign me at a school. But they're like, if you leave, you gotta get a job. And so I went to Burger King, went to McDonald's
Starting point is 00:15:08 trying to get a job, and they wouldn't hire me. You know, they're really fucking young. Get the fuck out of here. But then my buddy who was 15, told me about this telemarketing spot. Interesting. And we rode our bikes over there and fucking, I read the script and then got hired that day.
Starting point is 00:15:23 That's awesome. So all they did was see if you could actually read what they want you to say. Basically, yeah. And I think they kind of wanted kids because then you're, you know, you don't speak up. There's a lot of like ex-cons kids. Yeah, yeah, that's what I love about this.
Starting point is 00:15:38 That's what I love about this. Yeah, the mix was like, guys, and we're not talking about like ex-cons who are like, you know, converted to Islam in jail and like speak about the Quran, preach the Quran or like people that have gotten their life together. We're talking about guys that were unemployable, we're too like, we could not get other jobs and we're just like, yeah, fuck, they'll hire you. There was a mix, you would have, like, you'd have, there was like maybe, so you had kids like myself who had dropped
Starting point is 00:16:05 at a high school or whatever, and then you'd have a lot of ex-cons. And so you'd have like a murder sitting to your right, you'd have like a dude who was literally robbing banks on your left, they were selling like massive amounts of heroin out of the office. And we're calling raising money for the cops. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Explain what, so you tell a marketing, of heroin out of the office. And we're calling Raising Money for the Cops.
Starting point is 00:16:25 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So explain what it was. So you tell him marketing, what was the telemark, you guys were called raising money for the cops? I do the vote. I don't know if you want to get the voice. Please do. Give us the scripts.
Starting point is 00:16:35 What was the like main script that you had to, you were called? Yeah, so we're like, Hey, how's it going? A Sam Blitman Sturk. You want to sound like a cop in a, in like a 1950s cartoon of what a cop would sound like, like I mean fucking bugs bunny. So they teach you how to sound like a cop. So it's like 14, I'd be like, yeah. Hey, this is Sam Blitman Stern calling on behalf of the the New Jersey fraternal order of
Starting point is 00:16:56 police. Good evening to you. How you doing today? And we're calling our residents around Baltimore calling for the new, I think it actually did Baltimore. Wow. We're doing the big summer fun drive donations help support Anti-drunk driving and death benefits for the families of police officers Unfortunately killed in line of duty. We're gonna send you a new sticker It's gonna be for the new year the police sticker He just slapped that thing on the back of your car and all the police out there We'll see your proud support. Oh wow So something like that. So you were so literally they had children and ex-cons raising money for the police the just
Starting point is 00:17:37 And what was it? What was the police? So we would call on behalf of the PBA the fraternal order police. And that's like the biggest police organization in the world. Yeah, every time they kill a teenager, some fat guy from the FOP comes out and is like, he was a gruggan aggressor. He greets Ferris Gond, you could see it in his eyes. He was an animal.
Starting point is 00:17:57 What do you want? Not to support this police. You want to live in Anarchy, then make him go to jail. It's always, that's always, that's always who comes out. So that's who we were calling for. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:07 We're calling for those. Oh, this pull up the the the fraternal order. Please, this guy looks so fucking funny. Spokesman, look up his yeah, he looks fucking hilarious. I don't remember what I think it was like some, yeah, go to the Google images, maybe to joke them all. I know all these names, do you know, I'm like so nerdy about this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that guy John McNez be dude, I mean that
Starting point is 00:18:41 What do you think how many times is that guy said the N word in his life? Do you think off the charts like if set the over under like 152,000 and I still might go over honestly Depending on if he has a gambling habit also Anyway, so you're raising so they so this tell marketing guys got together Basically like kids X-con who who like what are we talking about you had some like people with substance abuse problems, right? So yeah So so one of my I became good friends of this dude named Pat Pespis the man this guy fucking rules
Starting point is 00:19:18 Yeah in the documentary You know, he was in he was in it He was an addict at the time and And he was in his mid 30s, and we just became good friends. We started filming together and started filming this investigation into what we were involved in. Oh, interesting.
Starting point is 00:19:34 So when you were, so you're 14, you got the camera from Phoenix. Fucking camera, right? You got the camcorder rolling. Yeah, shout out to Phoenix. And you were just, and when it started, you were just like, let's get rolling, because this place is funny,
Starting point is 00:19:47 or what was the idea? So what did first walk? First when I walked in there, like I remember the first day, I walked in, I'm 14, right? Yeah. And I didn't know what the job was at all. And there was all these built dudes doing push ups next to the water fountain.
Starting point is 00:19:59 What the fuck? And then I walked in and you're like, imagine an office and there's mug shots of the callers take to the wall, like fucking badges of honorifics. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they pointed, and there was this one dude, I remember a manager pointed to him, they're like, you see that guy over there
Starting point is 00:20:18 and I'm like a little kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You see that guy, that motherfucker, I swear one day is gonna come in here with an AK47 and shoot the whole place up. And that was Mr. Smite who's in the document. Mr. Smite, that's your first day? That's my first day.
Starting point is 00:20:31 And then they're like, okay, read the script. Like, hey, you got a stomach and a cup. And that was the first day there, dude. But, God damn it. Sorry, you edited this whole thing, so who are some of your favorite characters from it? Because you heard these motherfuckers talk for hundreds of hours, basically. Well, clearly, that guy's fucking rules.
Starting point is 00:20:52 And yeah, you guys, and please do watch this series. Like, you know, you know this, the fucking show, we just have whoever the fuck we want on here. It's usually my friends, but I saw this and I was like, I really wanted to plug this because I just, these fucking rules and Pat is really the heart of this whole thing. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And so it's almost like, yes, Pat, Pat for sure, go watch it, but give it, because like I don't even want to spoil any of Pat for people.
Starting point is 00:21:18 I want people to, I want people to like get Pat's essence when they watch it. But so who are some of the like, cause there's a lot of fun little, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, little, little characters that I'm sure, I only said like I said, I saw the first episode and we get glimpses of certain people that you probably saw so much of. So, do you have any favorites or? I do, there's one guy in Laryla Zarr.
Starting point is 00:21:39 Laryla Zarr. He's seen the movie, he's the guy who says, you know, CDG does a public service by hiring the unemployed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was called Blue 2. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, he's amazing. He's currently a life coach. Oh, hell yeah. He went from telemarketer for a scam to life. We're gonna try to, we wanted to try to get it, bring him on, but he's working in other telemarketing job. He's still marketing. He shows the face of the life coach. They're still in the game. We wanted to try to get it bring them on but he's working another telemarketing job There's still in the game
Starting point is 00:22:19 With the little mermaid 95 You know he came out of the halfway house and he's got this job in Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Those are some phased Mr. Smite. Mr. Smite. Shut up Mr. Smite. The guy who did he kill everyone? Yeah, probably might have. You're at the screening. I don't know if you remember there was like an old man walking around like getting everyone's number on a flip phone. He didn't ask me. Oh yeah. Actually I hired a publicist to come to that premiere, right?
Starting point is 00:22:59 Oh. And their only job at that premiere was when it's time for pictures make sure like Chris is getting this picture taken to. Yeah. Like the moment he's supposed to start like the most unhinged telemarketer of the mall and this just might just corner them. No, do you like nutrition? I gave him some deodorant because he came to another like we I love all these people. Yeah, they're like family. It was a dysfunctional family.
Starting point is 00:23:27 I love them all and everyone came through as beautiful, but Mr. Smith wasn't smelling great. And when he came to my hotel room and I fuck, I gave him a thing of old spice. I was like, dog, he has, I'm like, because he hasn't left the house in probably a long time. He's like, and then I sprayed him down with Cologne
Starting point is 00:23:44 and he was with my buddy, Tom. Yo, who was like I walking around with the odor and hanging out of his back like a bull? That was Mr. Smite. Mr. Smite, that's like a good dude. Good dude. You never brought the AK into the office. I think he was misunderstood.
Starting point is 00:23:57 He had, you'll see him maybe in the show, but he's like, he's just a wild-looking motherfucker. He doesn't look any type of normal. He would walk around these boots that looked that they saw via Namor. And he was just misunderstood. We became friends. He loved the job.
Starting point is 00:24:11 Like everyone in this footage like this dude, he loved the job. He loved the job. He loved it. He loved it. And I think he was the best caller. Well, that's what, so I will say from watching it, there was, and I was a telemarketer too actually when I was I was a
Starting point is 00:24:28 sophomore or junior I was either maybe a junior in high school and I was mine was a scam like so CDG was I mean this was a scam of all scams. It was fucking crazy you guys Like I thought I worked for a scam and it was like yeah,, you know, we hired a lot of high school kids, but there was also like, you know, just some fucking middle-aged fucking like Baltimore trash losers that also worked there. And there was one girl who was incredible at it. I mean, she was just like, she was, I think she was in college or something, and she also had this this really calming voice that I think there was a little bit of like what's the shit that people listen to the like the M.O.S.S.M.R. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, M.O.R.
Starting point is 00:25:11 She had a little bit of ASMR quality to her where she was like, you know, she was a good-looking girl but her voice was like like literally sometimes it was like it was bord bordering on like soft core, like phone sex where she was saying, she was ringing the script but she had like this sultry voice and she would like, you know, giggle over, she's into fucks she's doing. This girl, you know, filled out applications because I worked for a company called American Government Mortgage. Oh. And their whole like plan.
Starting point is 00:25:41 Did you work for the government? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I worked for American Government Mortgage. And their whole like plan. Did you work for the government? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I work for Mayor and government mortgage. And so exactly, their whole plan was similar to yours, because you would say we're calling on behalf of this. And so that way you could be like, so they think it's the FO, the actual police, but you're calling on behalf of.
Starting point is 00:25:58 And our scam was we're calling from American government mortgage about better interest rates or whatever. And this was like, we would get people to refinance their fucking homes. This was like right, it was like precursor to the, yeah, like this is before the housing crisis. And it was when they were just like, you know, everything you can get alone for, you know,
Starting point is 00:26:18 the interest rates were so low. It was, yeah, that was, I never sold literally not one. I never did anybody, I think maybe one guy started filling out an application once, and you got some kind of bonus, you got like, you know, if your application closed, you got like a pretty good bonus, you got like 500 bucks or something. So this girl was like getting, she was like
Starting point is 00:26:40 caked up off it, but, and like, you know, there was a little comradery because we had like you know our boss was some fucking piece of shit Who we the our boss hundred percent could have been a CD GI? Yeah, he might have been he could totally could have been but this guy like he's like a you know an older dude who's like I'm not much older at the time he felt older. He's probably literally how old I am now Yeah, yeah, but at the time I was like this guy's's old as fuck. And he was one of those like trying to regain his youth kind of guys. So he would bus balls.
Starting point is 00:27:07 He would like show us his nuts. He would do that move. He would like brand the brain, you know what I mean? He would be like, he would talk about cheating on his wife to us. Like, that's a cool thing. He would be like, oh nice dude, hell yeah. Dude, what if it ended at CDG?
Starting point is 00:27:19 He would. He would. Dude, he was looking for jobs. This was what was digging his dick out a little time? This guy would walk around and his dick out, bro. I'm not going to make nicks, but I know. And he's still working in the industry. He's still doing telemarketing for cops as we're talking.
Starting point is 00:27:37 Right now, God would just be out there with his dick out. He would lose dick out? Yeah. Oh, shit. That would, I mean, I guess it still flies in that industry. Yeah, yeah, it's nothing's changed. It's so funny to call it an industry. But you were, you're that's funny, man,
Starting point is 00:27:50 because my buddy worked downstairs from me, and he was like my best friend, and he was doing the mortgage shit. And he was like 17, so yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, so watching that, it's like, there was, I definitely felt what you were saying about the family, this functional family, the camaraderie. There was an instinct, I was like, it made me nostalgic because when you were doing like, our shit was bullshit too.
Starting point is 00:28:13 I just was bad at it, and it stopped me from having any kind of moral issue because I was like, who cares, I'm just getting paid the end bucks an hour to fucking be here. But I definitely saw that like, oh hell yeah, this is like, you guys look like you just straight up having fun. Like it looked kind of fun to be there. And there's a camaraderie, I don't know if it's like working really shitty jobs with a bunch of people.
Starting point is 00:28:36 Like I felt like a loser at the time. I was like a fucking high school dropout graffiti writers and everyone's like ex-cons. And everyone felt like a loser, but there's something like, people don't judge you when you're at the bottom. No one's judge each other, no one's putting on hairs. We just are what we are, dude.
Starting point is 00:28:54 And I think there was something like that that created this dysfunctional family. Yeah, it really felt like a shanty town that they put phones in. That they put, half the office is on MDMA. They're probably gonna get along Oh, yeah I'm gonna manage you go behind his cubicle bro. He would just have stacks of of e pills
Starting point is 00:29:18 It's back in the day before Molly like the young kids fucking e pills You fuck that's awesome and everyone's just doing actually calling on the phone. Calling for cops, bro, raising money. We do police, firefighters, veterans, and then cancer. First we're just cops, and then it started doing, that's when we were like, yo, we gotta do a documentary to like reveal the shit that's like, we're doing cancer, that's when it got kind of fucked.
Starting point is 00:29:40 Right, because basically, the whole, what the scam was is, you guys, guys were keeping a huge percentage for like you know like the the operating expenses 90 10 on average I'll never reach that's awesome. Yeah, so some were more Some you were keeping more than 90 it was like I don't think I was like, I don't think I ever saw more than 90. Okay, okay. I'd have to look on the line. But still, usually it was 90%. So you would call someone, you'd be like,
Starting point is 00:30:11 hey, an officer was killed in the line of duty. We're raising money for his family. Can I get a thousand dollars? And they'd be like, yes, anything for a fallen officer. And his family would get $100. Not of any, you guys would keep mine under. Well, I'm even more sinister. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:27 It's much more sinister. It's worse. Yeah, because it would be like, all right, so we would call on behalf of an organization always saying it's going to go help the families of fallen officers. Right. And it would be like, all right, so let's say, you know, CDG raised 10 million, right?
Starting point is 00:30:42 So they take 9 million put in their pocket. They give, you know, 1 million to the police organization, or we found out through the investigation is that a very, very, very small amount. If anything got to the cause. Bro, they were spending, we found reports where they were spending money on the FOP, on fishing trips, like limo,
Starting point is 00:31:06 like weird shit man, but also like lawyers, like you said lobbyists, like that kind of stuff. They just use that line. And it's been going on forever. Because it's the one, sorry to cut you off, Chris,
Starting point is 00:31:17 it's the one, even if you're like fuck cops, the one time you even a someone who feels that way could be like, but his fucking kids are orphaned. You know what I mean? Like they didn't do anything wrong. You're even like, it's the most sympathetic thing
Starting point is 00:31:37 that you could possibly, like people are at least listening to that. 1000% man. Yeah. Plus the wording of the scripts It's like they're not saying like I'm calling because this cop got shot We're going to give them money to his family. They say is like in New Jersey in the past 10 years 10 cops have been killed right and like
Starting point is 00:31:59 They would say This organization gives money the families of dead cops. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was it five years ago that they did that? Was it six years ago that they did that? They just had it. How much was it? Was it $500 bucks? It just did happen at some point.
Starting point is 00:32:14 Yeah, I didn't know it was a scam until for years. I just thought, okay, this is how cops raise their money, right? I remember getting my house got rated for graffiti when I was like 18 years old. And I was like, yo, I fucking work for you guys. Yeah. You're like fucking talking about. You know, like, I'm raising money for the whole of the business. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:38 Fuck you. I thought, and then I slowly discovered, oh shit. Because your house got rated for graffiti Yeah, how many like of your parents butt plugs that they have to sub aside to find spray paste break it Pillow specifically designed for someone to get a doggy style I tried to leave during the orgies. I love that I was gone. This is like over a friend's house. Did they ever go away together? You knew what was up? Or did they say my parents used to go to,
Starting point is 00:33:13 they would have like, I think, like polyamorous camps or meetups or something. And so I was like, going to meet you was, I was looking back on it. I wouldn't want to change it. I was like polyamorous like camps or meetups or something. And so, I mean, to me, I was looking back on it. I wouldn't want to change anything because it was, it was as a filmmaker, it was fucking interesting.
Starting point is 00:33:34 Yeah, I mean, it is, it was insanely interesting. Interesting for sure. Would I recommend parents out there, if you live on a hippie commune in like Missouri, I have a cousin who lives on a hippie commune in like Missouri, I have a cousin who lives on a hippie commune in Missouri. And I went there when I was 16. It's fucking dope. It's like 100 hippies in the woods. They like make peanut butter and that like stitch like Jesus sandals. That's all they make their money. But if you live on a hippie commune, yo, do polyamory.
Starting point is 00:34:00 With your kids. Like after you had like a, you know, but if you live in central Jersey, I would say, don't stay away from polyamory. You're like the only family and all your friends are like, what the fuck's up with your parents, dude? We're gonna go over there and party and smoke weed and stuff. But, oh, that's true. That is, they're not gonna be stagable. We were the cool house.
Starting point is 00:34:21 Yeah. But I would say, if you could get past the smell. If you live in an apartment complex in central Jersey, maybe stay away from the polyamory. Yeah, but I would say if you could get past the smell. If you live in an apartment apartment complex in central Jersey, maybe stay away from the fall. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, sorry. I It's just so funny to be the child of Pauline. I know parents. But I did I mean, I just just back to CDG. It's like it so you're you're 14. You're you got this camera out because at first it's because there's a lot of footage that was like funny stuff. It was just like you guys fucking around and being like look at this shit Because it was also like they didn't care how you dress
Starting point is 00:34:51 They didn't care that you were literally on drugs. It was literally just like it on some level It was kind of how Obviously should be I mean it shouldn't be that extreme But it's like just do your work. We don't give a fuck but take into I mean, it shouldn't be that extreme, but it's like, just do your work, we don't give a fuck. But taking to the most possible extreme, I mean, there was footage where someone is about to get their dicks off.
Starting point is 00:35:10 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so they would have, they had processed. That's footage, that's not what happened. That's somebody taped that. Yeah. And there's footage that didn't even make it into the documentary. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:27 Yeah, I mean, basically it was- I'm sorry, people would get prostitutes to come abominable. So there were prostitutes that worked on the phone. That was their day shift. They would work the phones and then they would do turn tricks and they'd park them on the bathroom. Now I didn't even, I realized there was prostitutes there, but for me it was just so normal. And then later when we were doing,
Starting point is 00:35:47 that's your first job. It's my first job. The way that you think your parents should get some pussy on the side. And you're like, well yeah, that's what parents are like. And it works. Your co-workers sucks cock in a Toyota Tursel. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:35:59 To supplement her wages. The. I thought that was normal. It's like, yeah, that's normal. So, but after when we were doing the interviews and people were like, hey, tell us about, oh yeah, well, remember the sex workers and the heroin dealers and the kingpins and I was like, oh, she's not, I guess that is kind of crazy. But at first, we were just, it was like, okay, I thought, let's just film this shit for
Starting point is 00:36:21 YouTube. Yeah. So you can look online. There's all these old videos on YouTube that still exists. And there's like right when YouTube started popping up. It was like right when YouTube popped up. I think it was 2005. When you could put like someone on hair
Starting point is 00:36:32 when like you know, doing telemarketing on there. Like it was still kind of the wild west on YouTube. It was a total wild west. And we, so we just started putting up funny videos of the callers. That was like the first thing. Yeah. And then it kind of turned into an investigation
Starting point is 00:36:46 because of Pat. He's like, yo, first I was just filming Pat. Yeah. And then it was like, who rocks by the way. Yeah, shut up. Yeah, shut up. So he was kind of like the guy who really, you struck up a conversation or a real friendship with and like a real connection to and you were like, let's film him. And then he really got on to some like what's going on here. Yeah, he stood out as the character and there were so many great characters like Kirsten was saying but Pat stood out and you know, he was one of the most famous people there.
Starting point is 00:37:14 Everyone loved him. You know, obviously he was struggling with addiction but he was a great caller. Yeah, it is, yeah, he literally there's footage of him getting like being high as fuck and kind of like nodding off, and then the second someone, he's got his eyes closed on that classic heroin stupor, and then the second someone answered the phone,
Starting point is 00:37:32 he like pops up and just crushes it. And then he was like, he was like, savant level good at it. And you get all the, I remember the dude, Xantino, he got a, out of prison, you know, he was selling, he was, he's open about it. He was selling out of the office, like, just something weird and shit, but they were out there. He was, like, CDG was so crazy.
Starting point is 00:37:51 He's like, when I got out of state prison after seven years, I was like, damn, the outside is wild. Oh, it's like, it's mad, mad. It's beating, like, mad. Imagine going to jail and that's your first, you're like, wow, society is crumbling. Yeah, yeah. This is what offices are like.
Starting point is 00:38:06 Yes. You know, but that was the, you know, how big was the office? Like how many people? So there was. It was such a, so they had half the office with Spanish. Oh, okay, damn. So you'd be calling in Spanish. Wow.
Starting point is 00:38:20 Half the office was Spanish and half the office was English. Okay. And I don't know. There might have been a hundred seats in the office. Okay, maybe. For 60 seats in the office was English. Okay. And I don't know. There might have been a hundred seats in the office. Okay. Maybe 60 seats in the office. Yeah. Maybe 60, I can't remember exactly, but.
Starting point is 00:38:30 Yeah. So around 60 people each day. Yeah. Yeah. And you would walk through in the morning and all these dudes would be on rugs doing the Muslim prayers. And then one guy set up like a bootleg stand in his cubicle where you just sell like bootleg DVDs and shit.
Starting point is 00:38:44 It's one of the do came in there selling pit bulls. I saw cops just fucking tear people out of their FBI coming, fights break out between the followers. It was, I remember, I remember one caller just got a prison just beat them up. This manager up there and everyone dropped their headsets and like jumped back and I mean it was, it was, but it was fun. Like she said, it was fun. No, I mean it does sound awesome.
Starting point is 00:39:09 And that's part about the whole thing was it gave people jobs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the thing. No, that's true. That's the one really, the silver lining in my opinion. Yeah, yeah. It's true.
Starting point is 00:39:17 I mean, you're right, a lot of these motherfuckers could not get jobs, but that's also, they knew that too, right? That's kind of the hook. It's like you get people who Probably can't get a job anywhere else. Yeah, and you're doing some fucked up shit They can't really you know if you're sucking dick in the parking lot or you're selling fucking heroin out of the I don't fucking cubicle you can't be like I don't think that I don't think CDG is up to snuff on all their tax forms.
Starting point is 00:39:45 You can't be like, you know what I mean? So it was, I'm a genius. Yeah. In a dark way. Yeah. And it's true, it's like, you know, it wasn't a bad, like at that time that wage was not that bad. 10 bucks an hour dude.
Starting point is 00:39:58 10 bucks an hour. And you were making that $2,000, 2004? Yeah, that's not bad. No. Yeah, that's fucking hilarious dude. So basically you're saying the cancer stuff happens and that's when people like, look, we all would like to steal from cops.
Starting point is 00:40:15 We all are happy that they don't get most of the money. But once we're stealing from people with cancer, like you guys are like, all right man, that was the veterans, There was one veterans charity. That was all like the 10 o'clock news. I think they were in Virginia, I can't remember exactly, but we were calling on behalf of them and it turned out it was a total scam.
Starting point is 00:40:33 It didn't even exist. Yeah, it was just, it was like a P.O. box in the middle of nowhere, like that kind of thing. Actually, that was one of the things too. All the freaking organizations, a lot of them. I, you would sometimes read the address, and it was like a peel box in the middle of nowhere. But one veterans charity got shut down for like,
Starting point is 00:40:52 it's like, oh, it's going to help out the, veterans who were disabled, and it was just total bullshit. And this is 04-05. This was like more, I think 06. 06, so it's like, so people are kind of like, you know, the Iraq war is kind of in people's heads and shit like that There's still nice amount of patriotism before everyone realized I was on the 90 11. Yeah I'm shocked. They didn't have you calling for a first responders. No, we were
Starting point is 00:41:24 Being in the script when I was 14. They were going to bring out 9-Lock. It was crazy. It was like a wild game. I didn't think it was a scam until we saw that veterans thing. It was like, you know, this veterans organization, it got shut. They, you know, they're a total bullshit. Then this cancer fund of America, if you look that up, they were on American greed greed that was one of CDG's big clients and they were it was a whole
Starting point is 00:41:48 family I think they're at a Tennessee but I can't not sure but they had all these cancer charities and it was bullshit just total bullshit yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but not make a wish so they were literally trying to get you to think it was make a wish. Well, that's a part of the industry. Oh my God. That's a part of it. I was researching this, this sound alike, and it's the dark.
Starting point is 00:42:11 It's like the darkest. Make wish will have a celebrity come to it like it's bad. This was like little Janie. All she wanted was a trip to the mall. No, we did it for her. Oh my God. The kid just wanted like Xbox 360. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You want to meet a lad and it's just a guy in an Aladdin costume.
Starting point is 00:42:31 That's like, that's dark. So that's when Pat was like, yo, let's not just make these funny videos. Let's expose this thing because we're from the inside. We're the only ones that can do it. Yeah, yeah. Because the news would always get it wrong. They would always be like get the very surface of the very top like you know Scam cops are calling around if you got a call call the police and that was it they never dove into the subject So that's when we started like the investigation element, but we didn't know the fuck But also it's a euro fucking 16 year old pot head. He's a man currently on heroin. So he's not exactly a crack team of investigators. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no was like a high up person called me one day and he's like, yo,
Starting point is 00:43:27 you got to take these fucking videos down, dude. Like the owners are calling me. Everyone's calling me. Everyone knows it's you with the camera in the office. Take him down. And I was just like, what are you talking about? Yeah. You know, the videos had like 30 views.
Starting point is 00:43:41 Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone knows it's you with the camera in the office take him down and I was just like what do you know What are you talking about like yeah, you know the videos had like 30 views Three likes like nobody's watching this shit, but they fired me. They were like you can never come back here They called me back two weeks later and like dude what the fuck you not doing on the phone? I'm like you guys just fired me man
Starting point is 00:44:02 Like we need you we got like a campaign I was like you guys just fired me man. They're like what we need you. We got like a campaign. That was a good caller. I was actually a good caller. They fired. They fired and banned you from the building. And then they're like actually can you come back? Yeah. Yeah. And they got shut down not too long after that. Like by the government, biggest consumer protection lawsuit in US history. That's specific office.
Starting point is 00:44:20 Well it was actually they had grown to be the biggest telemarketing fundraising company in a country. Oh, wow. They have 50 offices all over. They had one or two in Canada. Holy shit. And I'm beginning all these emails since the show came out in every office. People are saying, yo, Arge was crazier. Fuck, and you know, you think yours was crazy? Yeah, yeah, damn. Yeah. So was that that's that's insane because it did watching it. It's like, okay, they had a bunch of like, you know, satellite offices, but this feels like something that maybe not, I mean, maybe a lot of them were more like, where I worked, where it's like, you know,
Starting point is 00:44:52 no one's taking it seriously, but it's not as it's fucking insane, but you're saying this is like everywhere. I think it's the recipe. It's from all the letters we've been getting, from people all over the country, the recipe is higher ex-cons and teenagers Yeah, and let them do whatever they want as long as they hit the their numbers like 200 bucks an hour
Starting point is 00:45:12 Yeah, yeah, I'll give like I don't want to spoil it But yeah give one you'll watch it. We interview the From what I've heard the best caller in New Jersey right now from what I've heard the best caller in New Jersey right now. Currently. Convicted murderer. He did 30 years. It's dark dude. He did have some bad shit.
Starting point is 00:45:30 Like I'm all for redemption. And doing your time, this guy should not be cruel. Right up to you. And he's the best caller. He murdered it rape the girl in the 80s. Oh my God. And was he murdered rape the girl and threw in the 80s and was, he murdered the girl and threw in a field. Like shit, you should not be fritzed. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:51 He got freed somehow after 30 years and he's the best caller and I filmed them. Yeah. He's an episode to watching him. And I'll just say one more fucking little spoiler. Yeah, please. Every, I've just filmed this dude. He lives in his in his parents house And he's working remotely work now with that. It's now a true a lot of the offices Interesting. He's calling from his parents house. His room hasn't changed since the 80s Oh my god, so he's showing me like his cologne from the 80s and all this stuff dude He every sometimes someone would hang up on him He would start cursing at them and saying, really crazy shit like,
Starting point is 00:46:25 I hope you all fucking die. I hope your house gets burned down. Like he's murdering someone on the phone. Oh my God. But this is the best collar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the energy. That's the extreme.
Starting point is 00:46:36 Yeah. But that's also that's the, that's not the, sorry, that's not the exception. That's the rule. Yeah, yeah. Which is so ironic, right? Because they're raising money for the cops. Of course. Yeah, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know because it's not like, why it makes so much sense because they're not getting the money, right?
Starting point is 00:47:05 It's like, it's just another way that not only do, especially like for profit prison, how fucked up for profit prisons are, but now it's almost like, you get away to kind of like, you know, 10 bucks an hour's 10 bucks, I don't know what it is now, have they updated it? Yeah, maybe 14, 15, 15, and now at this point.
Starting point is 00:47:25 But in the grand scheme of things, it's a minuscule percentage. Like they're operating costs or a minuscule percentage of what they bring in. So these people are like, you know, they're making more than like, you know, 30 cents an hour like they do in prison, but compared to the slice of the pie
Starting point is 00:47:42 where cops are getting, even their little percentage for doing nothing is still something. That's it. And then you have whatever, I can't wait to see the end where I hopefully, you know, I don't want to, I assume you guys get to like, you even hit that in the first episode, but it's like the whole idea is getting to the top of this pyramid and like, it's, you know, it's one, it seems to be from the first episode, it's like one family that was really kind of doing this thing. It's like rock bands.
Starting point is 00:48:08 Yeah, yeah, yeah, they used their money. Yeah, these people used their money to like, form a Christian rock band, which is, so it's like, it's just like, they don't, the people who scam the poor don't know what to do with money. It's always some corny bullshit. It's always just trying to be cool and authentic in a way that Poor people are it's the most fucked up thing in the world. It's really so bizarre, but
Starting point is 00:48:34 Yeah, I mean these ex-cons and these kids basically are just it's not quite slave labor but it is exploitation and And they're the front lines in the scam that the cops and then some other scam artists are really making the money. So it does to me it kind of does, you know, make sense. Was there ever one? Was there ever one like I'm sure there were like a couple people who were just trying to play it straight that also just randomly found themselves in those offices. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So there was a there you'd find a couple guys that maybe they worked in the stock market in New York And then they they had some kind of bad There was a doctor that was what is it called when your license is revoked? Oh, yeah, yeah
Starting point is 00:49:18 Not disbarred. That's for lawyers. Yeah, the equivalent of that a disgraced physicist was a disgraced physician Yeah, the equivalent of that a disgraced there was a disgraced physician There were yet the only person I ever saw that got like run out of that place was it was someone who was a kid toucher Oh, wow, they found out it was like a prison Yeah, that's literally push out of the air. Yeah, it was personal. Yeah, yeah, so there was some kid touch It came into the office. You know, he got ran the fuck At least they're some they did not let him work there. And obviously he shouldn't, fuck it, fuck it. Totally, but it's fucking, it's insane.
Starting point is 00:49:51 When it went to session rules. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, it was, you definitely had some regular type of people for too. Yeah, damn. That does sound like a fun-ass place to be. What was your bet? Can you tell us your best day,
Starting point is 00:50:05 like your most memorable day, just, not even anything to do with the documentary, just as an employee of CDG. Do you have like a day where you're like, you know what, that was fucking awesome. Do LaRex to get your dick sucked, have a subway, you know. I, big media talent. I do.
Starting point is 00:50:20 Yeah, yeah, one, so I used to, like, as I grew up painting graffiti, I don't know if you know any graffiti artist or anything, or your friend with. Not really, yeah, well, so I used to like I said I grew up painting graffiti. Yeah, I don't know if you know any graffiti artists or anything Not really. Yeah, well I grew up That was like my passion before filmmaking so all I did was basically paint graffiti as a teenager and so I used to It's in the doc some of it, but I used to there was a train yard right behind CDG like right behind there So I would drag pat out during lunch breaks and we would just paint graffiti and paint trains. So that was fun. I mean, I did, you know, I did XC before and jumped on the phones, which I don't recommend. Don't do drugs kids. Smoking weed and getting
Starting point is 00:50:57 on the phone. But I remember getting really high before and having a conversation with an old lady. Because somebody who was mostly old people that we were talking to. That's another, it was like double layer. We were like therapists, in a way, right? Some of these people were just waiting at home to get the call. And I remember talking to this old lady
Starting point is 00:51:16 and she was starting to tell me her story and it was kind of sad and you could tell she hadn't talked to anyone for, and I was high as Bob. And I felt like we were like next to each other, she's like my grandma there, and I'm just like trying to console her, I think I spoke to her for like an hour and an half,
Starting point is 00:51:31 and the manager's got soul pay. So, you know, like you never do that again. But, yeah, see, did you was wild? At least you didn't take any money off the old lady. No, no, no, no, no, I did not take any. But it was just, it was just total chaos there. I love it. But one interesting thing that we found out,
Starting point is 00:51:48 because we did three episodes, episode three takes place in modern times. We started it in 2020. But that industry is bigger, crazier, more wild west, less regulated, more money than it's ever been. Really? Now you have like robo calls. You have artificial intelligence.
Starting point is 00:52:06 Damn. One caller that passed away and he's in episode one, his robotic voice, his ghost, is calling people right now as we're doing this in the name of the grave. He's ripping off old ladies from the grave. Oh my God, that's so fun. Yeah, do Joe make a joke I'm sorry to Joe makeover And he was a friend That's how it is now, the lower cord your voice
Starting point is 00:52:29 And they have AI doing it Wow, it's gotten real That's fucked Real crazy Damn, yeah guys, go watch, go watch, tell a marketer's on max right now It's an HBO documentary I mean it's also, you guys have rough house, you you have the safeties produced it. I mean, two of the best production companies, I mean, it's just most creative, awesome people working on it. It's so cool because it's like
Starting point is 00:52:54 both those people have such, I mean, they're both very funny and like, I mean, roughhoused makes some of the funniest stuff. And then the safeties have that, like, everyone knows the energy, those guys just know how to, like, ratchet up into everything, and it's such a beautiful blend of, like, you have such good stuff, and it's edited great, Chris. Like, truly, like, I can't imagine this guy just got did drugs and took his camera out for 20 years. You had to fucking sift through all the footage.
Starting point is 00:53:22 Yeah, this guy was escaping his It wouldn't be possible that way. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Chris crushed it. So it's great story teller. Yeah. So go watch that shit, guys. We can't recommend it enough. And now I think we're going to take some of the lessons learned
Starting point is 00:53:39 from CDG and the wide variety of people that you came across and your backgrounds. And we're gonna solve some problems. How does that sound? Yeah, I love to do. You ready to take some breaks. And thanks for having us, man. Of course, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:51 We're really appreciative. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, I mean, truly, I just, I didn't know shit, my buddy, Brandon with Roughhouse was just like, hey, he was in town, he's like, you wanna come see this? He described to me as like,
Starting point is 00:54:04 it's a telemarketing scam that hired X-cons was kind of like his elevator pitch and I was like Sounds awesome I can't wait and because I was literally so funny to be like I had some connection to it Because I remember being a teenage telemarketer. Yeah, so I was like fuck it. What else am I doing? Let's go check it out and I was floored by it. So go go watch you guys Let's go check it out and I was floored by it. So go go watch you guys Yeah, I'm gonna shout it's Brandon James. Yeah, look at us. Oh man. Yeah, yeah, he really wanted to demonize the colors because like it's an American Story you worked at a car center. I did there were people at HBO that that worked in the call center Chris worked in a call center He did what kind of call center? I worked at an insurance call center
Starting point is 00:54:42 Oh, yeah, and I worked with a bunch of half way house dudes as a mover. Oh Yeah, I think it's like it's kind of it's an American story in a way and we never Diminized the callers. Those are leading people who are exploiting people down on their luck that is so Other people can make millions off of their hard work. Yeah. It does not get more American than that. It's totally your exploitation. Yeah. Like, exploiting poor people to steal from poor people, to make cops and just already rich people richer.
Starting point is 00:55:16 And Christian Rock bands. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I did it for this Christian Rock bands. Fucking bad Christian Rock music. Yeah, it's a fucking awesome. Thank you, man. Really appreciate it, brother. Go watch it. Go, it's a fucking awesome. Thank you, man. Really appreciate it, brother. Go watch it.
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Starting point is 01:01:20 Love the show. Thanks for dispensing your advice Listen to about 42-year-old teacher in Portland. I got a relationship question. I'm still kind of hot, kind of charming, pretty emotionally intelligent. I guess I know what I'm doing in bed, but on the other hand, I'm broke as fuck, and kind of a loser by all the conventional bench marks. Okay. But, like you, I've benef fitted immensely from the fat hapless and
Starting point is 01:01:47 jovial fathers and family. I'm doing a lot better than you. Okay, let's fuck it. Show out with the comparisons to me when it comes to be a you're like I'm an absolute fucking loser and you're in Portland, which yes, that's what we have in common that you can get pussy in Portland by being a fat piece of shit but though let's relax with the like use with talk about what a fucking loser piece of shit you are so anyway go ahead Eldis she's a she's a lawyer she's 12 years younger than me she's smart as fuck she's funny she's 20 years new we'll see love to one of other women love when you fuck other women 34 double D's love to have a good time
Starting point is 01:02:27 Most importantly though. She's absolutely in love with me. It's fucking crazy. I'm this guy's So whatever stop bragging. Let's okay. Let's okay I'm sorry to jump the gun. Let's wait for the turn. There's something there's nothing bad and by the way if something is this awesome It's there is something lurking but anyway i think i think he's gonna ask the question about himself i have any way let's just let me stop getting ahead of myself let's just listen to it go ahead this thing
Starting point is 01:02:57 i know i hit the jackpot and uh... biol indications she's like a hundred percent in uh... we got future be to plan together all that stuff okay i have she gives me no reason without it but i'm developing like an anxiety disorder over when the other she was got dropped and she's gonna figure out how much better she could know so like how do i accept that she's in the end of like let that should go uh...
Starting point is 01:03:23 uh... by the way uh... she says she wants to take a crack next time you're important to look out for uh... you know what i think that everything i said about this uh... this is a cool guy uh... uh... uh... uh... you know uh... sometimes what do they say don't judge a book by its cover take it you know of course and he's he's explained the quiet that he's bragging to set up how nervous he is so can and he
Starting point is 01:03:51 offered to have this awesome woman suck me off so I'm back on his side but I definitely see what this fucking guy's talking about like he's doing the math and it just doesn't, why the fuck would this woman be with me, is bouncing around in his head. Now, it sounds like they're an open relationship, so I don't know if this is taking you back. Yeah, this is it.
Starting point is 01:04:17 It was one of your parents hotter than you're the other. Yeah, I think they're pretty good looking juice. Yeah, nice. Well, so. No, I don't mind. I'll check spring on that. I'll pull back. So he's broke his, what do you say?
Starting point is 01:04:38 He's a teacher, is that what he said? Teacher, okay. So here's the thing. You, here's what's going on here, buddy. You're a good person, right? Teaching people, you know, when someone's doing something selfless, particularly she's a lawyer, right? So it's like she might have kind of sold out
Starting point is 01:04:55 a little bit for money. I think she finds it attractive that you're doing something, you know, you are broke, but at least you're not broke, fucking being a telemarketer. You know what I mean? You you're you're broke helping. You're broke like helping. Yeah, it's a respectable, really respectable job. It's a completely respectable job.
Starting point is 01:05:10 You seem to, you know, you're probably like a charming nice guy. You're probably emotionally available. You're clearly very grateful to be in that relationship. And that all that stuff, all that stuff is a powerful energy, right? It's just like, and the other thing is women are just better people in general than men, specifically when it comes to relationships. Yeah. And that maybe when it comes to destroying each other's psyches as fat preteens, women
Starting point is 01:05:36 are actually worse than men, but when it comes, you know, we'll just hate each other, but you know, women are trying to destroy each other when they're the most emotionally vulnerable. That's where they're worse, but when it comes to heterosexual standards, you've probably felt it before in your life. If you're a nice guy, if you're somebody who makes somebody feel comfortable, feel loved, is there for them emotionally, all that stuff matters a lot more and women tend to be able, you know, I'm not going to say, oh women, obviously there's some dumb bitches out there, like there's dumb guys. But like, you seem to have found a nice smart
Starting point is 01:06:16 woman who happens to be hot and who clearly has some other, here's the thing, there's also some other problem working in this man's favor. It might be a fat loser father that you're trying to reconnect with through you, whatever, but it's like, no one who's that horny and hot. And like, she's probably, my guess is you're gonna have to fucking buy a couple new sets of tires. You might get a couple slashes here and there.
Starting point is 01:06:42 You might have to, I mean, there's gonna be collateral damage for a hot smart, horny lawyer with double D-tits where everything's great right now. Soon you'll understand, there will be a time to pay the paper if I had to guess. But even if there isn't, this shit happens. And you just have to kind of recognize that and realize like she's with me now
Starting point is 01:07:06 I'm not giving her any reason not to as long as you stay in a good, you know And even like it seems like you guys are open which that's maybe she gets to the lead a little air out of the tires that way And if you're you're also if you're happy with that arrangement, you know good for you but this shit happens dude and You have to remind yourself of that. I get that, it's hard to get over these mental blocks and relationships, whether it's like, feeling you're not good enough or feeling like
Starting point is 01:07:35 trapped in a relationship. People have, sometimes people have like, you know, commitment issues. That in a past that's been a problem for me and I have to keep reminding myself, you're being a dumb asshole. You mean this is great. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:07:48 It's almost, he's actually a better person. I have had this happen where I think, it's not that I think I'm too good but I get too scared in a relationship where the woman is objectively better. So I'd rather have you're not believing in myself thing than believing too much in yourself because then you know,
Starting point is 01:08:04 she's not good either way. But the only times it's worked for me is when I just have to keep reminding myself, you're being irrational, this is fucking stupid, you love this person, everything's good. And you can just, you just kind of keep after reminding yourself that and you don't look for problems when they don't exist.
Starting point is 01:08:21 I think you're good. And I guaranteeing you that this, you guys will be together forever and no, but that's true of every single fucking relationship, right? So if it's a good thing, let it ride. And then, if a problem arises, it'll fucking happen and you'll deal with it then. But for now, keep getting your little nuts sucked
Starting point is 01:08:38 and I don't see a problem whatsoever. You're in a fucking awesome situation. Why worry about it now? Just enjoy the ride. Enjoy the ride. Do a little meditation. That's some Buddhist. Do some yoga.
Starting point is 01:08:50 Do some yoga. I got a limber this morning. Hell yeah. I got a limber me and eldest are doing the 30 day weight loss challenge yoga. You can find it on. Fire me. I wanna thank you.
Starting point is 01:09:00 We'll send you the link. It's on Amazon Prime. Let's go. But yeah, you guys what do you guys you guys in relationships? We'll be looking at boys Ooh married man nice I'm single is your wife better than you about equal. Yeah, I'm not probably yeah You seem like a nice guy right You seem like a nice guy, right? Yeah, but yeah, now.
Starting point is 01:09:24 Yeah, no, definitely. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. And you're single? Single. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really, is there something about romantic relationships that feel strange and not comforting to you?
Starting point is 01:09:38 Um, you know what? I was actually, I was in a relationship for 10 years, 20 to 30. Oh, wow. Which was dope. It was actually great relationship for 10 years, 20 to 30. Oh wow. Which was dope. It was actually great. It gave me like the stability I needed. Now I'm 36 and I'm kind of living more like I'm in my 20s.
Starting point is 01:09:52 Got my 30s. Got you. Because I wasn't that relationship. Like I never had any freedom in my 20s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With one woman. Yeah. But yeah, yeah, you know, if it, when it comes, it comes.
Starting point is 01:10:04 Yeah. But I mean, from my experience, just don't, as someone who has an anxiety disorder endoc d, so I know all of that's assessing. And angst anxiety, dude, this guy needs to just tell himself, just enjoy it and fucking relax. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, don't get in, you've got to tell him, so just talk, like you said, find that voice of reason. Totally. Just fucking, dude, yeah, you know, don't get in you've got a ton of stuff just talk like like you said find that voice of reason totally just fucking dude Enjoy that shit enjoy it. Yeah. Yeah Damn, so you ever had what kind of oh, he's also strange too because it could take a lot of different Forge, right? Like yeah, everyone thinks about like, you know people counting shit or like you know or like
Starting point is 01:10:39 You know not not like stepping on so they're like a superstitious shit But it's what what what kind of for me was man man. I it was I would have just like obsessive thoughts Mm-hmm and one of the positives cuz you can look back back when I was like a teenager in my 20s I just thought I was fucked up. I'm just like felt alone So I like to talk about it. Yeah, also people out there can maybe feel like they're not alone So those fucking freaks out there Who should be behind bars, who should be in a padded room?
Starting point is 01:11:08 No. As you're in the 1920s, they just fall off your forever, bro. Yeah, it's something, just a guy with like OCD, is just in there with like, just the most developing, the most mentally dissafe of guy you've ever met. Oh, yeah, back in the day. She was brutal, the snake pit.
Starting point is 01:11:24 Yeah, yeah. He just threw you in the snake pit. Yeah, I did. But yeah, for me, I used to think I was just fucked up. I'd had anxiety, social anxiety, all that stuff. And then as I got older, when I got pretty bad, I was like, all right, I gotta go to fucking therapy. I did therapy for it. And then I was like, oh, I have like a,
Starting point is 01:11:42 a dictionary definition of this thing, you know, for me it was just like obsessing over different things Like it could be something negative about yourself or or You know like the classic one that I think a lot of people experience is like you got to check the doors locked or check that the stoves off But you go back and check over that kind of shit But yo, you can use that shit for good once you learn about it. Like Dean comedian or just obsessing over at an art form?
Starting point is 01:12:12 Sure. That's true. I mean, I do think a lot of mental disorders. It's like you can't, like people have talked about how ADD is like, yeah, usually you can't focus, but sometimes you lock the fucking and I definitely experience that where it's like, there's like, I can't work for a week,
Starting point is 01:12:28 and then I'm locked in for two days, and I've done two months worth of work somehow in that like zone, so yeah. You can definitely figure your shit out. That's like the, I feel like the, when you're, you know, the goals that work on these things, and then try to use the good stuff, like holding onto footage for 20 years,
Starting point is 01:12:44 because you're OCD, and you make sure will be something this will be something I'm telling you you're one of every size house you put it at your home you're a house and you put it because I one of those fucking yeah I wrote but there was a fire my dad's house and one of those fucking hard drives burn wow but I was OCD as fuck yeah so it's like thank god yeah and that's what we got cons try to you know try to, you know. Shout out to all my mentally ill people out there, absolutely. Not alone. Shout out to that, this guy's girlfriend.
Starting point is 01:13:08 Yeah. Without question, she's got some going on. Yeah, I think it's a little bit. She's a little suspect. It doesn't seem like an suspect. I didn't have any of this therapy you're talking about. I just think this guy's kind of fucked. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:21 Yeah. There was a lot of like a little little bit of bragging in there. It seemed a little like maybe his girlfriend's not as attractive as he's like. Or kind of. Right, right. Maybe not. I hope he is.
Starting point is 01:13:33 I hope she is. Two bass out of the tube. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Either way, you know, one way or another, you're in the ride now, brother. Just hold on one. You enjoy that. I think it's, yeah, sounds good.
Starting point is 01:13:42 Yeah, best case scenario. You end up with there are things are great. Worst case scenario, you had a pretty sick year and a half and then like a maybe a bad month. You want an ends, but who knows? So still you're still in the money, you're still you're still winning. Here's with another one, brother. Stop the baby. What's up? I got a non-sexual problem here. I know you guys appreciate those. Yes sir. I'm still a while but long story short I'm 25 and In like six seven months. I'm gonna be moving out of the country
Starting point is 01:14:23 Okay, so until Ben I Move back in with my parents Which has been Mostly fine, you know not bad but My mom we we gone off the Depend with conspiracy theories the deep end with conspiracy theories. Like she believes she was poisoned by the COVID vaccine. She believes Joe Biden is a lizard or whatever the fuck. Yeah. And you know, it kind of just makes it being around her like
Starting point is 01:15:07 Unbearable Yeah, I believe it. Oh, I Don't know it stuff is that just part of growing up Yes, it is an all-new Be a part of your parents life as much as you hope or Is there a way to as much as you hope. Or is there a way to circumvent that? Because really every time I just try to talk to her about anything, it was just more fun to do how the water is making us gay. How we would force people to cut their dicks you know, you know, yell to me for watching next week. So that's for eggs.
Starting point is 01:15:47 I don't know. It's just driving me crazy. So yeah, that sucks, dude. I was hoping you have some, you know, did you shop and screw this call down? I was talking so slow. That's it. Also, I am moving away, you know, pretty far so I don't want to like I
Starting point is 01:16:08 Dealing I like to spend as much time with my parents as possible, but yeah, they're really making it really really hard Damn, dude That's that's the tea. Thank you for spilling the tea sis Yeah, this sucks. I mean it sounds like I'm pretty lucky in that, like, you know, me and my mom are pretty on the same page. My dad, my dad's dumb, but he's not this fucking stupid. Like he just kind of apolitical doesn't, he'll just repair it anything. Like I remember one time he was, my dad was talking about, he was like complaining that they
Starting point is 01:16:42 were allowing gay couples to beat to adopt the children. And I was like, would you rather a child be in an orphanage? And he was like, hmm, I guess not. I was like, yeah, you know, your gay friend you grew up with that you think is a good person. Would you rather the child be in an orphanage or living with him and his husband? Am I that right? Oh yeah, like he just doesn't, he just hears a viewpoint and he'll just go along with it without even for one second considering the other side. So it's weird, like he usually, I think he's actually progressive, but does
Starting point is 01:17:25 doesn't ever challenge his dumb friends when they speak. Because every time we've had a conversation he'll be like, that's a pretty good point, you know? Because I'm like, this sounds like that, but really extreme. Yeah, I mean, I don't think that sounds like that. This sounds like he's fucked. Like his mom sounds so fucking crazy. Yeah like you would not like it sucks I mean it really has taken over a large percentage of like old people's minds You I'm guessing your your poly parents aren't there they're hard the opposite way old school left these like old school Yeah, you know like they might be anti-vaccine, but from the original.
Starting point is 01:18:06 They were like anti-medicine. They don't put medicine. Anti-war, you know, like kind of like the old school like freedom of speech. Like before things got like, yeah, yeah. No, I know that is the funniest thing is that like freedom of speech has become, I don't know how the fuck it became like a right wing thing.
Starting point is 01:18:23 We're just means let's say the N word, by the way. Like they don't actually want freedom of speech. They actually do not want it. I don't know, that's the most fucked up thing about the left now. It's like, I don't understand the language policing because yeah, that is a traditional like left life. It's like, say what, yeah,
Starting point is 01:18:40 people are gonna say some fucked up shit, but in a free society, anyone can say whatever the fuck they want. And that's a fundamental right. But yeah, I don't know, how about you, Chris? Any, you have weird fox and used brain to parents? No, they passed before this could get the thing. But they probably would have hit him.
Starting point is 01:18:58 I had the same thing with the dad, where I was like, oh, you're, it's so much of you to use your bad Obama. Yeah, yeah. But then he like sees a Michael Moore and I was like, oh, you're in. Some interesting views about Obama. Yeah. But then he like sees a Michael Moore and he's like, hmm, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, now, I mean, I think, you know, this guy needs to not be afraid to take a break of a year, a two year, a three year.
Starting point is 01:19:19 That's what's interesting about it. So if he was, if he was just like, hey, I moved in with my parents while I'm figuring my shit out. This was driving me crazy. I would say you got to move out and you just got to see your parents a little just enough to keep a relationship with them. If they want to talk about politics, just try and find common ground. Sports has always been the great equalizer. That's the thing. It's like sports is so nice to talk about, especially people who think this shit, they tend to be pretty big on sports, the football as well. So it's like, you know, I talked to your dad about whatever the football team is,
Starting point is 01:19:55 like see if you can bond with your mom over any, I mean, it's tough because she's like, won't even watch Netflix because she thinks, she thinks what, you know. Wednesday or whatever the fuck that show is making kids trans. So that stuff, you can't even have movies to talk about or like a show. Because that's with dads, it's always sports. It's with moms, it's always like a show. You know what I mean? So honestly dude, start watching Yellowstone.
Starting point is 01:20:20 It's like this is really, it's pretty entertaining. Eldis has watched every episode and every spin-off. He was doing that instead of watching the documentary. He was got to be up on what Kevin Costner's up to. But like yeah dude, the problem is he says he's moving away. He's moving out of the country. So you do kind of have to get all your family time in right now. Do you think psychic Alex could help her, or maybe like smoking a joint with her? Is that gonna just make things way worse?
Starting point is 01:20:53 Yeah, you might as well shake things up. Yeah, you know what I think, but they're probably the kind of, you know, although there is, it doesn't feel like, there's definitely that kind of like, almost libertarian conspiracy theorist that does drugs but that doesn't feel like with these
Starting point is 01:21:09 people feel like straight straight down line Fox Newsmax. I even Fox News like Fox News Newsmax hard line brains have turned to mush because of Tucker Carlson before he took his fucking show to Twitter and disappeared. Really smart betting on Elon there, Tucker. No, I haven't seen that guy's face in a year. I've seen these stars in the show went to Twitter. Boy, did he get fucked on that one. So yeah, dude, I think I would say, if, yeah, I mean, if this is the last six months,
Starting point is 01:21:46 you're gonna really be around these people. Just like, you just kinda have to like swallow it and be like, I wanna spend time with them, and then also have like a release valve. You can't, you can't be spent just because you're moved back up with your parents. It doesn't mean you have to spend all your fucking time there, right, like take some fucking weekend trips, like go,
Starting point is 01:22:05 eat, crash it a friend's house, like just, you're not, you're not like living with them and you have to, you don't have a curfew anymore. You can go do some other shit. So that's really my advice is like, try and get some of the distance from them by just not being in the house constantly. And you know, see if you can bond over some non-political stuff
Starting point is 01:22:26 and just remind yourself like, all right, in five years when I miss my mom, just this is my like moment. You know what I mean? This is like, you're saving up for in the future. Which is, I saw like a TikTok someone said of like, every time you're mad at you're like little kids Imagine yourself 30 years from now and how much you want to be with your toddler even if he's being a cunt in the moment
Starting point is 01:22:55 And it's like I you kind of do the reverse of that where it's like yeah imagine like all right my mom's being fucking crazy but What at like in in eight years when I can't see her, because I'm a half of the fucking world away, I don't mean this guy might be moving to Toronto for all we know. He might be three hours away, I don't fucking know. I'm in the border. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:19 But I don't know, that's kind of the best advice I can have. I'm very lucky to not have to deal with this specific thing. So, it's tough, I don't know how people deal with it. It's very, very difficult. I've had some family members that are like into this kind of stuff. I just try to never, and it's gonna be really hard because it's not to this extreme. Never talk politics, ever. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:46 And never talk about reptilians. Yeah. Yeah. Just, if you can avoid those subjects. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. I think in general when it's somebody you care for who's just is so off the deep end,
Starting point is 01:24:00 it's just trying not to get into politics and seeing if there's other stuff, but sometimes those people all they give a fuck right back. They're just so into it. You were going to say something old. I wonder how new it is for his mom too, because sometimes you might see that happen to a parent and they're just like, you know, hopping on a political fad or something and then they just like lose steam. Like that's kind of how my dad was a little bit like he's pretty apolitical but he was like dabbling with Trump. He was just like he just didn't have the
Starting point is 01:24:30 Constitution to stick with it. You're a fuck. You're dad who spent a lot of his life an unemployed immigrant exactly who Trump would have hated. He like, he like, never got too deep thing. I wasn't able to take their jobs. But yeah, you know, maybe it is just a passing fed, but it's scary too, because like, you can try to connect with them on like, personal shit and just avoid politics while you live there. But it can go either way once you're out of there. They could kind of lose interest in it or they could just go off the deeper.
Starting point is 01:25:09 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can you ban your parents from the internet somehow? Well, I saw somebody, and again, this might be completely fake, but another internet thing where a guy just went on his grandpa's Facebook and unsubscribed him from all the like news max, Tucker Carlson shit, and subscribed them to like Bernie and like all this just like and and the guy was like, you know maybe I was wrong but that's the thing is like it's it's kind of like what we're saying about my dad thank god my dad doesn't speak enough English to watch Fox News because it might get to him he just doesn't all he does is what he watches Greek satellite TV and
Starting point is 01:25:44 he watches like he doesn't watch American media and he doesn't know how to use a fucking computer but if he did that's the thing it's like sometimes people aren't even malicious it's just what they see over fucking over again so yeah I don't know see if you can change the your mom's algorithm somehow log on to a TikTok and just fucking watch baking videos. Maybe you'll get a cake out of it too. That would be great. But good luck. Yeah, sorry, dude, sounds like you're pretty fucked.
Starting point is 01:26:12 You really can't do shit, honestly. That's the hardest part. It is tough once you got someone who believes in like lizard people. That's like, oh, they're just adding this to that. Yeah. Once they sink. A bit of a bargain. Once they sink their teeth into that shit,
Starting point is 01:26:26 and it's like, again, it is kind of the opposite of having a kid where it's like, you can't control their thinking and where their mind's gonna go, and you can just decide how much of them is good for you. Like, and it's sad to say that, but. I said, the reality. I used to kind of like some of the conspiracy stuff,
Starting point is 01:26:46 but then it always goes back to the Jews. Yeah. I was like, even the fertility ship which I know about, like it goes back to the Jews. It's all, yeah. That's the problem with the women. It's the Rothschilds every time. I would probably get it,
Starting point is 01:27:01 but it always goes back to the Jews, bro. Yeah. So they lost me. They lost my demographic. Yeah, but you always go back to the Jews, bro. Yeah, they lost me. They lost my demographic. Yeah, but you know, I think they did the math and they're like, not that many of them. That's true, there's an average. We can win a lot more anti-Semites.
Starting point is 01:27:14 Yeah, that's true. We'll lose the Jews, but we'll get a lot of anti-Semites. We're good to go. Good luck, buddy. Let's get another one going, LD. Hey, Bobby, maybe I'm trying to keep it under a minute for you and Elda. luck, buddy. Let's get another one going, LD. Hey, Bobby, baby, I'm trying to keep it under a minute for you and eldest. Thanks, bud. Uh, I'm just calling because my, my wife, I'm 27 years old. First of all, my wife of about a year, we've been together for eight years. Yes. Uh, she's the mother of my child. We're going to be together for the rest of our
Starting point is 01:27:41 lives. I've no doubt about that but she is one of the least actual people ever met you know you're i think that you're he's was was one of the least sexual people he's ever met are you going around engaging everyone use you meant sexuality i wish this sexual is my friend Todd Just say she doesn't have a high libido
Starting point is 01:28:16 Anyway, sorry go ahead. Oh this never masturbated never like oh wow And making her come is like a fucking perky way in tax. So any advice you could give me man, it would be great we appreciate it. Like I want her to like love like sex and foreplay and you know I go down on her plenty and all that good stuff but she just like, I think part of it has to do with birth control. She's been back on since we that our son so i don't know man i'm just looking for anything you do help me out uh... i don't know how i'm going to make your wife hornier i mean yes that's the problem here is like
Starting point is 01:28:58 he didn't say hey like you know since we've had our kid it's dipped or like or like recently something's happened, and she's just lost interest in sex. Like, she said, she bit, what are you doing, opening up the thing, get a little fresh air. All right, buddy.
Starting point is 01:29:18 Elders is hot, folks. What do we got? 50 more minutes left. That's not a theory. Not as... Dude, the Lewis Black episode we were going to die. I just feel so bad for Lewis. He was in here and we just thugged it out. Anyway, yeah, he didn't say like... Because that's pretty natural, right? You have a kid, you're together for ten years. People need to spice things up.
Starting point is 01:29:45 Where I'm having trouble is that by his own rubric of sexuality, which he has a lot of information on, she's one of the least sexual people he's ever met, she's not jacking off, she's not busting. That's like, it's one thing to get back to a level or change things up, but it's like kind of tough to be like 10 years in, hey, I'm going to need you to start, you know, busting more. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:10 You know, that's the hard thing here. Are there any times where she's in, like, do you remember specific things or specific instances where she seems really turned on or are there think like, you're just going to have to kind of like reverse engineer this, I think a little bit. And the tough news is like, it does get harder when you have a kid, when you have like a fucking newborn kid, and you've been together for, you know, almost a decade. Now's not the time, like, you picked a very strange time
Starting point is 01:30:41 to try and get your wife hornier. It's right after she had her first kid. You know what I mean? I think you might be kind of, you kind of fucked here, pal, where it's like, now's not the time to try and go on to some kind of like late in life, you know, libido exercising.
Starting point is 01:30:58 Yeah, birth control might be something. Obviously, if she's on anti-depressants, that's a huge one. That sounds like, this sounds like kind of classic anti depression med stuff Maybe that's part of it But I don't know what to tell you. It's that's a tough one dude Yeah, I wonder if like she's if he's like talked to her or if she's even aware that this is like a thing for him
Starting point is 01:31:23 Right that like it's bothering him of Right. That like it's bothering him. Of course. That's always a classic thing when we get a question. It's like, have you had this conversation at all? Because it's always just like bouncing around in your head. That's a good one. Yeah. I just think, I wonder that too, but I just think it's such a strange time
Starting point is 01:31:39 from to bring this up. Right after the first kid, like, now's when you're trying to get her fucking turned on. And the kids, yeah, I don't have any kids, but for my friends who do have kids, it seems like that is not the right time. Yeah, because you, especially a fucking infant, it's like, you know, one of my best friends just had a kid, it's like that motherfucker,
Starting point is 01:32:04 that baby's like life is her whole mission. And it's like she's just exhausted from just keeping him alive. You know, it's just like, that's what you're focused on. So, I don't know. I don't know, dude. I would just say, like, think about what she's,
Starting point is 01:32:21 you know, what she's ever, what she's responded to in the past. And yeah, have a conversation. Wait, if this becomes like a really tough problem for you, have a conversation. Seems like you guys have a good relationship. You're saying yourself, like, you're gonna be with her for the rest of your life.
Starting point is 01:32:35 So it's not like you're coming at her like, hey, come on. You gotta start sucking some dick or I'm outta here. You're really, you're just trying to get to, you're just trying to get to like, you know, what, you're just trying to get to what, you're just trying to get to some kind of understanding where it's like, this is an issue for me. Obviously it's not a big enough problem
Starting point is 01:32:55 where I'm going to fucking leave you or anything, but it's like, can we figure this out? Is there something we can do? Is there something I can do for you to get you more in the zone? So yeah dude, it's kind of tough, but I think that might be the most straightforward way that you know, the most straightforward way
Starting point is 01:33:13 and just see what you have to say about it. I don't know if you've had this conversation, but this would be a good live one too to do, but a last, a last we don't have that capability. So good luck buddy. Call in. Let us know if your wife starts fucking more. Good luck. Good luck. Hit me with another one, L. Dundes. Hey, Stav. I love this show. Big fan. I am a 25 year of high school teacher, I'm a woman, and I love my job, I love the kids I teach, I'm struggling with 14, 15 year old misogyny, with you know, product of our society,
Starting point is 01:33:55 but I would just love your advice, I feel like you, you seem like an evolved man, someone who has a risen from maybe being a 14 year old misogyny I think people would say that. A risen from maybe being a 14 year old massage in the 60,000 years. I don't want to say anything or detail on you. But yeah, you know, they're high schoolers, they're kids. But I guess I just want to have hope for them.
Starting point is 01:34:23 And sometimes it's tough Because they say horrible things and they love and you take and Yeah, how do you how did you if you grew up with that? How did you evolve? What sort of turn your thinking Anything you can share with love again. Love you. So thanks so much. Thanks for calling in Tough love love Andrew Tate I mean it is I mean it does make sense because he I mean that guy is just like what a dumbass little kid thinks of cool guys like that's why he's so successful amongst youth is like no one if you're a real fucking human being
Starting point is 01:35:02 doesn't want 15 Bugatti's and like and like you know what are essentially Prostit high-end prostitutes that aren't allowed to speak to you like in your home at all times like that's the thing It's like it's tough because that does exactly apply to little ass kids It's so interesting dude because you're the like, what was there's another guy like Dan Balsarian or something like that whole group when you look on their Instagram it's like 10 models. Yeah it's so fake. Yeah and you're right it's probably like 13 year old boys that are like just assuming it. That's always been there. That's always been there. I know, these kids need a chance to evolve too.
Starting point is 01:35:48 Yeah, yeah. I know that there's a little bit of that, right, where it's like, they are kids. And I just don't, but it's like, you know, how, I guess what are the exactly you struggling with, just the fact that they're fucking, that they're being really fucked, they're being little dickheads.
Starting point is 01:36:08 Cause look, some of them are just gonna stay dickheads and some of them will grow out of it. It's just tough as a teacher for you. Cause this is such learned cultural stuff too, where it's like, you know, what can you get them to do? You can't be like, that's, if you're like, and your tape sucks, they'd be like, yeah, you fucking would say do you can't be like that's if you're like and your tape sucks They'd be like yeah, you fucking would say that you low-value woman
Starting point is 01:36:29 You know what I mean like they they just there's no like there's no like reasoning with these little assholes at this age You know there is like and yet did we like obviously you grow up around I mean everyone goes up around Massage and he racist and all that stuff and you just realize I mean I think for me Part of what helped with At least like misogyny honestly was like not respecting my father like thinking my mom was the one my whole life It was like my mom was the one who took care of everything so I almost like I hated I one who took care of everything. So I almost like, I hated male bosses or like authority figures and I respected female authority figures a lot more.
Starting point is 01:37:11 I mean, don't get me wrong. A boss is a boss. So it's like, I definitely had some like, you know, like women bosses that I hated and treated as bad. But like for me, that was a big part of it where I was like, I don't know if I'm't find it as a fucking idiot. But 14, 15-year-old misogynists, how do you deal with it? I don't know. I mean, as a teacher, you just kind of have to treat it like any other form of discipline, like what they say. But it's just like, but I don't know if,
Starting point is 01:37:46 is it your job to expose them to other, other shit that is not like rooted in misogyny? I don't know, or do they just have to kind of grow out of it? I mean, definitely, you say a bunch of dumb shit because you're insecure as a kid. That's a big part of the job. I was so insecure as a teenager. How's it big part of the job. I was so insecure as a teenager. How's it math?
Starting point is 01:38:05 Looking back on it. Yeah, absolutely. And it's like, I definitely had a teacher who, I mean, dude, I remember specifically, in middle school, not even high school, I guess high school is funny, because it's like they are closer to being a fucking adult. But I remember having a moment where I was like,
Starting point is 01:38:25 in seventh grade, I was kind of like a teacher's pet for a specific, like I really liked, I knew math was my shit, I loved, I really liked English and I liked history and all that stuff. And I was close to an English, I was really close to my English teacher who, you know, whatever.
Starting point is 01:38:44 And then, and I was like, I would go after and I would do shit. And then, there's like a new kid who like, transfers something and it fucked up the whole dynamics of our whole group. And everyone kind of was friends with him and like whatever they were kind of, I remember I was getting like shit on and people were like kind of bullying me.
Starting point is 01:39:03 And then I was just like, why am I standing for these guys? I'm not, they're gonna bully me. So I just like, like little did they know, I would go on to become a comedian who roasts people for like half of my living is finding people's insecurities. And I'm not being mean about it in my videos. And I would just zero in and I was a fucking piece of shit in eighth grade.
Starting point is 01:39:28 Like I would be, I was also big. I was this height. This is like, I never grew. I was the biggest in eighth grade. I would fuck kids. I would like, you know, I would, hit kids in the nuts constantly. I would never in the nuts.
Starting point is 01:39:42 I would go for it. There was like, yeah, and I would call, I would fucking roast people I would call girls dumb bitch. I would like I would really to the point where my English teacher kind of had a moment with her and was like she was she she sent me on she's like you are not The student I remember from and honestly like that did not work on me Like I was like fuck this bitch. I was like, I was like,
Starting point is 01:40:08 cause in one moment, I was like, it kinda gave me this moment of clarity where I was like, I'm acting out. Like I was like, she was like, I can't even understand why you're, and it did make me reflect. I was like, why have I turned into this guy? Like, why am I being such a fucking piece of shit?
Starting point is 01:40:24 And it was all good, cause it was like whatever, we went to high school the next year and I kinda like, I was like, why have I turned into this guy? Like, why am I being such a fucking piece of shit? And it was all good, because it was like, whatever, we went to high school the next year and I kinda like, I was like, I'm not gonna behave that way anymore. But like, I would literally like, it's classic bullie shit, like take people's,
Starting point is 01:40:34 take kids as like fucking pizzas and shit like that. Yeah. Like, and, and so in that moment where she was like, you know, she was like dressing me down, she was like, you're a fuck, because I think I like dressing me down, she was like, you're a fuck, cause I think I just fucking crushed some girl in our class and got a huge laugh. And she was like, and she kept me after.
Starting point is 01:40:53 And in that moment, she yelled at me, she was like, you're not, like, why are you banging this way? And I literally was like, I was a very sensitive, like in touch with my fucking feelings, kid, last year. And now I'm bullying people, you're the fucking adult, you can't do the math and think about what happened, like obviously somebody fucking like made, like I'm acting out, I'm lashing out,
Starting point is 01:41:17 like you think, I remember having that thought, it's like, why are you trying to talk to me, you dumb bitch? And I just got worse for her. I was like, fuck her. And so I just do, I unfortunately, I feel like you might have to let it kind of, you know, obviously check it, you don't let anybody say anything that crazy. But I also think like, I guess she had made the mistake
Starting point is 01:41:41 of like showing me how much I had affected her. And while trying to hurt my feelings, she was trying to bully me and it's like, you're not going to be here. And there was a lot. I remember I was even biting my tongue. I even had too much tack to go after this woman because she was dealing with some shit in her own life. And I was like, lady, you're like, I could fuck you up.
Starting point is 01:42:05 But I was just, so I just think like, if you see this, you're just gonna kind of have to check it as much as you can and just, I don't know that you can do anything. What happened for me that I grew out of it, I was like, this is pretty fucking stupid. It feels bad to fucking bully people, whatever. And I don't know what did it for me.
Starting point is 01:42:26 Like I just, I think I was lucky to have, you know, I had like a lot of like female mentors, like in high school, and I don't know why. I mean, I can't tell you why I grew out of it. And it's tough to be like, what I would assume is so hard as a teacher is to have all these kids kind of pass through your life. And you can only do so much. And that's got to be so difficult for someone, especially seeing all this Andrew Tachy. But I am hopeful too, because I worry about this too.
Starting point is 01:43:01 I'm hopeful that there is a swing back with some of this stuff where it's like, you know, just kids realize that, but who knows, I mean honestly, I am trying to make really stupid comedy that is not, you know, racist or misogynist, but that is offensive, but that's from a place of like, But that is offensive, but that's from a place of like, I love these people, but I'm gonna shit on them, and not a place of actual fucking hate, which back to the free speech stuff is like, a lot of people hide behind free speech and they just wanna be hateful and not get yelled at for it.
Starting point is 01:43:38 And I don't know, I mean, hopefully, those kids get turned onto that kind of media that is kind of like, because kids love dumb bullshit, they love offensive shit, they love people roasting each other, but hopefully it just gets turned away from that andry-taped bullshit. I know that weird misogyny, but I don't know,
Starting point is 01:43:56 I'm rambling here because I don't have a great answer for you unfortunately. I don't know. Eldest, were you ever a teenage misogynist? Hmm, probably. But very like, you know, inward, never. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure, I'm sure like kids, I mean, part of that is just the angst of like being a teenage boy.
Starting point is 01:44:15 Yeah. But I'm sure kids definitely feel like a lot more, like they have the, the card to just, you know, be very outspoken about it now. Yeah. But it's hilarious imagining like a little dumbass 14 year old talking about being a high value man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just never lived life at all. Yeah, I know.
Starting point is 01:44:36 That age man, that 14 and 15 is is a tough one for a teacher. Yeah, because I remember that's when I ended up leaving school. Right, right. That was because I was just like a piece of shit. I was like, I remember that's when I ended up leaving school. Right, right, right. That was because I was just like a piece of shit. I was like, I don't even want to fucking do this anymore. I remember people being so mean to teachers. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:44:52 In public school. Absolutely. Just being fucking dicks and everyone's being dicks to each other. That's a tough time. But I think the good ones will grow out of it. Yeah. You know, the good ones will grow out of it.
Starting point is 01:45:05 I don't even, so I'm like so out of touch. I don't, I haven't watched the news in like eight years. I think for my own sanity, so I don't even know what kids are into, what they're watching, but I agree. Like hopefully young people are tuning into like better media than dudes like that. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:45:24 You know, I know, it's tough, but I don't know, dude. It's just, do what you can. I don't know what to tell you. I don't wanna be dismissed. It's like, nah, don't worry about it, sweet cheeks. Don't worry about it, sweetheart. Nah, massage and he's not real. It's over.
Starting point is 01:45:40 You get the vote. What are you even fucking complaining about? Just talk to your husband. Did your husband let you call in on his phone? How did you even get into this? So I don't, good luck. You're a saint being a high school teacher. That's what a great job, right?
Starting point is 01:45:57 And I do think you have to kind of like just, I don't know. I'm just speculating, obviously, because I've never done it. I mean, I was a tutor and stuff. But there's only so much you can do, and you can't really beat yourself up over it, and realize that there's just, hopefully these forces swing back the other way, but there is, it is tough to be like,
Starting point is 01:46:15 damn, there is a lot of, there's just that, everything is being so to the extreme, and that you'd hope that with history people would get more kind of like accepting and liberal and shit like that, but it really feels like there is a swing back. Especially all like the whole like misogy is absolutely, I mean, it all goes hand in hand, but like the misogy,
Starting point is 01:46:38 the homophobia is out of fucking control, the transphobia is out of control. And so I don't know, but a little, I hope that's not as connected to, you know, a 14 year old call on a girl a bitch. You're being like, shut up, bitch, come suck my dick. You know, and just trying that on and being like, I'm a cool guy and like not even believing himself when he's saying it.
Starting point is 01:47:01 Hopefully that's all you're dealing with it is not something bigger than that, but I don't know, I don't know. Good luck, good luck out there. You got a nice quick one for a cell, this. Something to take us off. So I'm not 14 anymore dude. It's a brutal age.
Starting point is 01:47:15 Brutal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, brutal fucking age. It's been in my 30s, I'm old. Yeah. Happy birthday, by the way. Thanks a lot. Happy birthday was yesterday. Yeah, happy birthday by the way Thanks for making the fucking show
Starting point is 01:47:36 Thank you for fucking sifting through all that footage Chris yeah Hey have a have a birthday liquid death on us and you know what We have a birthday freeze pipe for you outside as well. Yeah, actually for awesome. Yeah, you can have our beautiful sponsors have sent us a lot of free stuff that we'd love to share with our guests. Yeah. All right, take us home, Elders. Let's play one more. Hey, Stovinal, I got a different kind of question to ask you guys right now. Okay. So, I got to go and ask AI freaks me out and I hate how it's just everywhere at this point. So, I was wanting to ask you what you think about AI and its possible effect on the comedy world within the coming years.
Starting point is 01:48:29 Also I asked GTT to tell me a joke that Stavros Halkiis would tell and it said, why did the Greek philosopher go to the bakery? He heard they have plenty of good donation for his philosophical endeavors All I know is I don't think you should take that stuff. That's the kind of shitty comedy I expect from an Albanian Not a great guy like you Anyway, man, let me know what you think. I love you. Have a good one. That's so funny. That's such that means that even a joke Why did the grief last go to the bigger here? They have playing with good donations for his philosophical endeavors That's supposed to be like a dough
Starting point is 01:49:09 Nations pun. No, I don't understand Yeah, I don't know man. I mean I fucking hate I mean all this hey, I shit. I hate it I mean I wonder Actually, I think like I wonder if actually, I think like, I wonder, have you started using it all with like editing stuff? I feel like that. Yeah, there's like small things. I feel like the force is good for editing,
Starting point is 01:49:32 but then like, yeah, it's coming. Because so much of editing is drudgery that I feel like, it's tough because you see stuff where you're like, oh, this could be useful. This could help the people who already work in this industry not replace them with a shittier version of it But I think like bad reality TV like someone like me Well, like you'll have a producer who's like here's how our show goes every time
Starting point is 01:49:54 Yeah, you won't it won't finish the show But okay, 30% yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I think for stuff like that It is much more dangerous. I mean I do think with comedy, I tell myself anyway that it's just a little, there's too much nuance in it to like really for a chat GPT to really get it. I mean, like you look at, yeah, it's just like, I mean, I guess some, I guess in theory, it might be able to get really set up punchline jokes at some
Starting point is 01:50:27 point, but what Chatchee PD does is steal. That's beyond it. That's what it does. So if it steals enough stuff and it just mixes and matches enough punchlines, I think it could... That's the thing you hear from a lot of industries is that it can replace the really shitty version of our thing, right? At this point, I do think that so much of it
Starting point is 01:50:55 at least stand up comedy, and the way comedy's going in general is that like, yeah, people like your material, you have to put on a good show, but you see it, I mean, the biggest comedians have a podcast. They have, you know, they make show, they make a TV, they write their own shows, they have movies, they're trying to do all this other stuff. That's so personality driven that I do think modern comedy is kind of gone. You're not really judged on your specials or your jokes for better or for worse. I don't think it's, I don't't think it's necessarily an on balance good thing
Starting point is 01:51:28 as somebody who really grew up loving comedy for comedy sake, but where it is good, I think is that it's harder for AI to take that. If what people like is their fan of you, and it's your perspective, and I think some of the best comedy is so personal, and it comes from, it's like reflecting on fucked up shit that's happened to you or just your background or whatever
Starting point is 01:51:51 that it might be able to replace certain forms of like set up punchline generic comedy. Bad comedy. Bad comedy. Yeah, but it's also like for what? To what end? Like who is gonna tell that shitty standup joke that the computer wrote like you know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:52:11 Like doesn't want to work on the shit. Yeah, but it's like that guy sucks already like no good comedy is going to use chat GPT for jokes. I hope not. I mean, that'd be fucking insane. I want I say that I want to get shit. Text my friends back. We're not none of you are doing this right?
Starting point is 01:52:25 Can you, can you, like, because I was thinking about it, I haven't really paid too much attention to everyone talking about AI and stuff for better for worse, but can you, like you're saying, can you replace originality? Because everything that I love about comedy, and that, and filmmaking,
Starting point is 01:52:42 like you see it in this crazy documentary where we're coming on, it's that originality that you can only tell your story. Yeah, but can they replace? I don't think so, but I think like, if it can replace shitty things, then it's kind of logical that over time, it can slowly get better at stuff.
Starting point is 01:53:04 And that like like there will probably be a soullessness to some of this stuff, but that it will, it could possibly get the technically 85% of the way there, but it'll be losing that final like, there's something different about this. Especially with like movies, it's like, if, because you steal, because what it's doing is stealing like, you know, it could just fucking AI could just generate like looking at shots that you know, you can have an AI cinematographer and you can be like, I want my movie in the style of fucking this guy You know what I mean? Like you see the shitty Wes Anderson like AI which gets it wrong it sucks
Starting point is 01:53:45 But it's like if it's starting here then it's like could it over 30 40 years whatever Actually get not good, but enough where if you're a fucking idiot who doesn't really give a fuck about art I mean look how many I mean thankfully Marvel movies are starting to dip, but They were the most fucking them. The movies have now, A, I could absolutely make a Marvel movie. Absolutely making Marvel movie. And so it's like, I don't know. The big problem is, what about the people that learn by cutting their teeth?
Starting point is 01:54:18 Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 20 years ago I was fucking cutting Paul Dean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's a good point. That's a great point. No, yeah, yeah. 20 years ago I was fucking cutting Paul Adin. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's a computer is cutting Paul Adin. That's a great point. No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:54:28 No, that's a great point. It completely fucks up the whole. Like that's the, for comedy at least, computers are not doing open mics at chicken restaurants. You know what I mean? Like they are doing Paul Adin, but they're not doing how you get good at comedy. So I have, I have some faith that it will,
Starting point is 01:54:47 and even like acting, it's not like it's gonna teach people how to act, but it could take what they're worried about is like taking like your dead buddy who still tell a marker from beyond the grave. People are worried about like, oh, what if Tom Cruise just is in movies for eternity? Now, because they just keep, you know, and then they bring back fucking, you know,
Starting point is 01:55:08 Humphrey Boe Garden shit like that. That's what they're worried about. So, I think at least with stand up, yeah, I mean, it might, like, some of the worst comedians might be like, give me some ideas for jokes and try and punch them up and that's, I'll be crazy. You're a fucking beyond the hack if you do that.
Starting point is 01:55:25 I want that on the record. But I do think there is something, because it's such a stupid art form that shouldn't exist. Like stand up comedy is so, it's so many, like it's such a mistake that it exists. That I think, you know, it's just like a person talking with their own, you know, their own just like a person talking with their own perspective, and I just don't see a way that AI fucks that up.
Starting point is 01:55:50 You know, three years ago, I was like, I'm safe, and now I'm like, I'm not. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just three years. Like, I feel like they're like, I can see it taking over podcasting weirdly. I can see like AI, like, how they have like AI influencers. I can see, if again again if it's allowed to steal
Starting point is 01:56:07 You just feed every podcast into it and you just take a vote It's like put it I think it could you could probably make a shitty podcast with AI and the more You know it's bad now like everyone goofs on chat GPT now for the bad scripts and the bad jokes Yeah, it's only bad now. Yeah the bad scripts and the bad jokes. It's only bad now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Give it three years, once more. Yeah, no, you're right.
Starting point is 01:56:26 And who's to say, I mean, I say like, who, you know, they're not gonna be doing stand up, but it's like, what, I mean, you see like V-Tubers and shit like that where it's like, it is a human being, but they're behind like a weird anime avatar. And it's like, who's to say that's just not gonna become, you know, comedians, like you feed that in.
Starting point is 01:56:43 Like I've talked about it before, but Dujee, the podcast, they made an AI, it's a podcast run by AI, and they had like a Tom Brady, like they had Tom Brady AI stand up. Oh shit. And it was bizarre. It was like, obviously the it didn't understand
Starting point is 01:57:07 like pausing and didn't understand any of that stuff. But some of the jokes were okay. And it was interesting because because it was Tom Brady because it was somebody with a point of view it did kind of you're like oh it's talking about his divorce and it's talking about playing football and it was like it had enough of where it's like they can't just say right me an hour of standup comedy. They probably couldn't do that. But if you give it enough context, it kind of started to. So who knows? It's going to be interesting to see where that shit's at like three hours, man.
Starting point is 01:57:36 Yeah. Like maybe what it could do is if you feed every Dave Chappelle special into it, maybe it could do that where it's like, fuck it. We, you know, we can figure some, we'll just rehash some shit. But who's to say? Anyway, hopefully by the time it's really around, I've retired from show business, I'm running, I'm running a seafood restaurant in Southeast Baltimore. Oh, hell yeah. That's the dream. So we'll see. Fellas, thank you so much for coming up. Thank you, man.
Starting point is 01:58:03 Thank you guys. Thank you guys. Thank you guys. Thank you. We really appreciate it. Guys, go watch the fucking documentary rocks. Go watch telemarketers, guys. By the time this comes out, all three episodes will be on max. Go do it.
Starting point is 01:58:16 Elders will have his log in by then. He'll see. He'll watch it too. Do I throw you a log in? Yeah. Throw you a log in. Thanks so much for coming. Thanks for listening guys we'll talk to you next time. Bye bye. I'll just you know I was thinking the other day I love you know what I love mango the fruit.
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