Stay Tranquilo - From Miami to Manhattan: Adapting to a New City & Career Growth

Episode Date: September 17, 2024

In this episode of the Stay Tranquilo Podcast, we are joined by Victoria Verdeja, a Miami-native who recently made the journey to New York City to grow in her field of work . She explains the transition of moving to a new city, blossoming with new customs and cultures from all over the world. Victoria explains how she has navigated making the Big Apple her new home. We touch on: - The struggles of moving a way from home - The differences between New York and Miami - What moving to New York has done for her career - Her top spots in the city - AND MORE Episode brought to you by: Vic Garcia World: https://vicgarciaworld.com/ Curaleaf FL: https://curaleaf.com/dispensary/florida Johnny Cuba Beer: https://www.johnnycuba.us/ Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

This might be a wild card, but I'm inclined to say that the people in New York, if you're a New Yorker, like if you're native, they're nicer than in Miami. I could see that. I just think that in New York there's an appreciation for different cultures that there really isn't a lot of tolerance for in Miami. There's something here that's really cool. a respect for different cultures that I've never experienced before and that I think actually could contribute to making someone not only a better business person but like a better human because you learn to appreciate, tolerate, accept, welcome a different way of doing things. Whereas back home, I think it was it was a bit more like biased a little bit

more rigid and as much as it feels like home and as much as the second I saw you my Miami accent just spilled out of my mouth and I loved it. I mean you'll never you'll never lose that. It is something like really lovely to experience here and really immerse yourself in because there are such beautiful beautiful things about other cultures that if I stayed back home I don't know that I ever would have witnessed. What is going on everybody? We are back with another episode of the Stay Tranquido podcast in New York City. I can't believe we're doing podcast in New York City. It's pretty freaking sick. And honestly, this is the person right here that is pretty much responsible for a lot of this right now. She has... Don't put that on me.

No, it's true. We said it in the last pod. We recorded too with TK. And I want to give you your flowers. You've done a ton for us. My flowers. And your flowers. Yeah, no pun intended. Thank you. You know, you help coordinate this. So thank you. Thank you very much. But before we get into anything, please introduce yourself to the camera and to the people. All right. So I think my name is. It was actually the first time we met. What? No, I'm just kidding. Vic Victoria Verdeha from Miami came up here about five months ago now, a little over five months ago pursuing work, opportunities. And then some. So have been a lot of five months ago. pursuing work, opportunities, and then some.

So have been a fan of Stay Tranquilo since its inception. I try to do some deals while I was over in-house. Client side. So I've always been a big believer in the things that you talk about here and what you guys represent. So it's a real honor to be on this side. Yes. Well, yes.

Thank you for, again, for everything you've done. And I'm glad we're doing this. I think it's something we've talked about. And at first, it wasn't like a top of my mind, not to take anything away from you. Honestly, like pods in general were not top of mind. I came here for that, you know, Latinos and sports event. And I was like very mindful about like being prepared for that.

But I'm like, I got to maximize my time while I'm out here. And obviously then the podcast started being discussed with you. And then I'm like, we got to do a pod. And I think it was long overdue. We probably could have filmed it in Miami and it just never happened. but I'm actually happy it's happening here. It's kind of funny. I never thought about it either, really.

I know, I know. I didn't think about it. And then I'm like, wait a minute. I kept meeting people and thinking, they would be a really good guest and just pitching that. Exactly. But I'm like, shit, we should do a pod because I think obviously, especially now that you're in New York,

there's a lot that we could talk about and we will, you know, between the differences between New York and Miami. But obviously, also like you're very experienced in space. And I think you can bring a ton of value in that regard. So let's get right into it. You've now been in New York City for five months you said, right? I'm assuming you had been to New York before you moved over here. Yeah.

A good amount of time. What for you has been the biggest transition in this last five months moving from Miami to New York City? So there's been, I mean, there's been a lot, a lot of things that I've, transitions that I've experienced. First and foremost, I visited New York many times. and it's funny because I always said I hate New York and there's somebody out there I'm sure that when they saw if they cared enough

about what I said if they saw that I was moving said I remember that girl saying she hated New York and I ate my words but it came as an opportunity and in the field that I work in

it's kind of the mecca right like if you make it here in PR they say you can make it anywhere. So it was a welcome challenge. And so the transitions have not seemed as hard, I think, because, again, it was welcome. But a couple of things in particular, obviously getting around.

Like, I have to start with that. I loved my cars back home. True. Yes. I looked for every three years, I looked forward to my lease being up. Getting something new, I know what I would have gotten next. Still salty about it. It'll come.

Yeah. Not in, not in Manhattan. But the transportation is definitely a transition and honestly has been a barrier to me doing things sometimes in the beginning at least because the thought of like walking out of my apartment and having to not just being able to just. jump in my car and go somewhere was kind of daunting. Yeah. So in the beginning, I was, like, obsessed with the subway. And then I saw some weird shit. Yeah, I mean, there's that Instagram page subway creatures.

Yeah, and it's a real thing. It's so real. But at the same time, I know I'm going to sound crazy, but it's like there's something beautiful about it. Like, I love music. We talk about music all the time. And there's like certain stations that like have better subway performers than others. Like TK.

And I, you mentioned him earlier, work in Union Square. So that one always has, I mean, today it was weird. There was some weird. What happened? Weird sounding. It was like one of those long, I don't even know what kind of it is. Are these people in the station or they're actually on the subway train? No, well, there's both.

Right. So this guy in particular was in the subway station. Sometimes there's like a jazz band like young kids that are amazing. I once saw on a weekend getting off in Times Square, which is like my home subway station, which is crazy living basically in Times Square. Yeah, that's got to be a madhouse. It's like amazing for the first three weeks. And then I'm like, I don't want to see another creature. But there was this one performance that I saw.

Like, I was crying. I was crying, like watching. I was like, I would pay money to watch this. Wow. Like that. So it's cool. So there's that. There's the transportation aspect.

Do you learn to kind of love the subway, at least I have? Because it's, once you figure it out, it makes things like cheap and easy to get around. Yes, that's just true. And it's always an adventure. So, and for some reason, for the first time in my life, I'm on time to work. It's because it's reliable. You know exactly at what time it's going to be there. Exactly.

It's consistent. You know when you have to be at a certain spot to get to where you need to be. Like, I clearly wasn't reliable enough when I had to drive my own vehicle. I think Miami traffic also is just you really don't know what you're going to get. You're either going to get there 30 minutes early or you're going to get there an hour late. Like there's no on time. I just got there 30 minutes later an hour late. And TKKKTAS, I've been getting there on time.

I'm proud of myself. But anyway, so there's a true. transportation aspect of it, that's really cool. It's cool. It's different. It's interesting. Once you get the hang of it, I think you learn to appreciate it. Ubers are still ridiculously. What's up with that? You just walk.

Yeah. Just walk. I had blisters for the first. The Uber from JFK to East Midtown. I did it last night. What the actual hell? I was like, I told him. I'm like, oh, we're going to Uber?

I'm like, we're going to... An hour and a hundred bucks. Exactly. It was an hour and a hundred bucks. And then we took the train. And the subway and it was 35 minutes and... Three bucks. Yeah, maybe $5.

I'm like, what? What'd you do wrong? It's $2.70. What do you mean? It's $2.7. I'm rounding it up. I don't actually know how much it was. $2 and $7.

But I'm like, it was cheap. It wasn't $100. Yeah. Yeah, and it's funny because JFK actually has, like, I would say probably the easiest like public transportation to get there. Oh my God. It was amazing. Yeah.

I was like, holy shit. I was thinking. The air tram. I haven't done. Exactly. You take the air train and then you jump on the... At Jamaica, on the subway. Yep, yep, yep, exactly. See, look, I'm already learning about New York. I've only done it once. You've done as many times as that.

I was exactly what I was going to say. So I feel pretty confident about my public transportation in New York. But the subway is very, I guess, unique, you can say. It's cool. Yeah. Like, it's just, that was definitely an adjustment. Also, the people. I think that

this might be a wild card but I'm inclined to say that the people in New York if you're a New Yorker like if you're a native they're nicer than in Miami I could see that I just think that

in New York there's an appreciation for different cultures that there really isn't a lot of tolerance for in Miami granted like there's not as much variety in Hispanics or in Latinos here. Like there are in Miami and like if I want Hispanic or Latin food, I have to cook it because the closest is overeats from the Bronx.

It's like frozen by the time it gets to me. Okay. But there's something here that's really cool. And it's a respect for different cultures that I've never experienced. experience before and that I think actually could contribute to making someone not only a better business person, but like a better human because you learn to appreciate, tolerate, accept, welcome a different way of doing things. Whereas back home, I think it was a bit more like biased, a little bit more rigid.

I don't know. I went to like Catholic, Miami Catholic high school my whole life. Everybody looked the same, talked the same. Exactly. I mean, it's a bubble. That world is a bubble.

And as much as it feels like home and as much as the second I saw you, my Miami accent just spilled out of my mouth and I loved it. I mean, you'll never lose that. Yeah, well, I hope so. But it's, it is something like really lovely to experience here and really immerse yourself in

because there are such beautiful, beautiful things about other cultures that if I stayed back home, I don't know that I ever would have witnessed. That's fair. That's interesting. Because, I mean, you do obviously have a lot of culture in Miami like you mentioned, but it does feel different. I think you have, it's not super Latino, you just got a literal mix of everything.

Yeah. It is weird to me that you can't find, like, Cuban, more accessible? I thought you would be able to. And people are like, oh, you haven't been to Sophies? Like, I went to Sophies and it was like there's no hate, but it was like a bunch of El Salvadorians working at a Cuban restaurant. Right, it's just not the same. That ain't right.

Yeah, I mean, Miami's Miami. Like, that's the Mecca. I don't think anyone's gonna beat it besides the source of self. I want a puposa if I'm gonna hang out with El Salvadorians, you know what I mean? But it was, it was like, and it's just like the coffee's not the same. The food's made a little bit differently and I'm like, it's just not, It's not like Cuban food. You know what I mean?

No, it's not. It'll never be that. I'm going to have beef now with Sophie's Cuban. I know. So another thing that I want to ask you with this whole New York transition, right? You said five months ago, I'm trying to do the math in my head, but it's just not working right now. What month was it that you moved here? March 30th or 29.

So you were on the tail end of the end of winter. Yeah. This is where I wanted to go. Our goal is to get me out of New York before. Okay, okay, okay. But like a permanent get out of New York or just like be a snowbird basically? You don't know? I don't know.

All I know, it's like it's like 57 tonight and I'm a little cold. Yeah, no, no, no. I was going to say, like tonight's Chile and it's, are we in September officially yet? We're in September. It's my birthday month. Oh, September 4th, yeah. Yeah, it's September. So you're flirting with fall, which fall is nice.

Mm-hmm. The fashion is cool. Oh, that's something. That is something here. To wear actual cool, like winterish clothes. No, but the fashion in general in New York is so cool. I love a good pico. I am, forget fall though.

I'm like walking to work and I'm seeing these, like there is a real appreciation for fashion here. They say like Tokyo, Tokyo is the only city that has better fashion, like street fashion than New York. I can see that. I feel like in Miami it's so hot. Like you can't really, you can't accessorize, you can't layer. You're like in a, like the smaller the clothes, the better, right? Whereas here, it's, there's like a real attention to detail and appreciation for, for fashion. And even though I probably wore this to work at Amaran like 4,000 times, this is a bad example.

You just had fashion in you already. On the contrary. But this is, I'm honestly like learning a lot. I find it super. fascinating. I'm not a super fashionista, but it's definitely, you know, caused some inspiration. So that's another kind of adjustment and cool thing about New York over Miami. I have to say, though, like the water, I mean, there's nothing like I got to give, because I was on the phone with a friend who was like, you can't shit on Miami. Like, I would never. My family's there. There's nothing like it. And just being able to jump on the boat and in the water. that's like my that's my therapy can't do that here

so it's just there's no comparison I agree that to me is one of the reasons why I don't think I would be able leave Miami maybe leave Florida I don't know you know because of that I feel like I need to be by the

body of water and I feel like I tell myself that a lot and I try to convince myself maybe a little bit with it because reality is like obviously I lived in Miami my whole life don't take advantage of the beach that much right? Ew. It's like.

You gotta go west coast Florida for that. Which is where I end up going. Like I'll literally go on a Saturday, leave early and just go to the beach over there and I'll come back. Like that's how much I would rather be on that side than be on the east coast when it comes to the beach.

So then it comes to the question. I'm like, shit, do I move to the West Coast of Florida? You know it's easier just go to Bimini, right? Fuck, yeah. No shit, but I don't have a boat so I can't do that. Just call my dad. I can take the Bimini cruise, I guess, which I don't want to get on that thing. So my next best option is getting in my car.

Learn how to tie lines and give my dad a call because I'm the only one that knows how to in the family. He's got no one left. So who does he go on the boat with now? He doesn't. I come in town and he takes me. Oh, wow, poor guy. That's what we did for his birthday in July. Damn.

So you're saying that you have to go back so that your dad can go out on the boat? Pretty much. That's what I'm hearing. Well, okay, so fashion, food, right? Subways. Mm-hmm. What else do we have? We said... I don't know. We had a long list.

I know. I'm trying to think. I mean, food scene, though, is good here. You're just not getting a lot of good... We didn't really talk about food, food. Right. Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. No, the food is...

The food here... It's amazing. ...is insane. Exactly. It's good because I feel like back home you get like a lot of... It's less about the food and more about the food. and more about the pinta, you know what I mean? Like, the, the presentation.

It's an experience in Miami where here it's true authentic. It's the food. And I mean, it depends on what you like, right? Like, if you like the gruntman scene, like, that's super cool. But here it's really about attention to detail in the food and the experience within the concept of the food, less about the ambiance, if that makes sense. Even though the ambience, obviously.

paid set, less like clubby. Yeah. I mean, you still have that component, I guess, if you want it here in New York. Yeah, you can find it. You can go and find it. But I agree. Like, you go downstairs, you walk around, and you're going to find probably a little diamond restaurant somewhere that you're like, holy shit.

Tim Hohan, literally, you walk out of my apartment, you go around the corner. It's the world's most inexpensive Michelin Star restaurant to dim some spot. You can spend between two people 50 bucks and walk out of their rolling. And it is the...

Now, you see, that doesn't exist in Miami. No. Like, not even... I couldn't even give you a name of a place. The pizza that we just ate, tell me that wasn't bomb. That shit was amazing. But is that true New York style? Because it was a little...

Like, I always thought New York style was, like, thin. I'm a thick crust, really. I was fine with it. I thought it was delicious. It's Sicilian style, is what they call it. Got it. It's probably more like Chicago-style pizza. It's what it gave me the vibe, but...

It's funny. I'm not complaining. It was delicious. And it was really good. And I appreciate. appreciate it, so thank you. But no, they've got, like, they've got some crazy good stuff. I've been gone eating in Chinatown, and I've been to, like, Chinese tuxedo, which is super

nice. And then also this place called Family Noodle that was hole in the wall, one-time order. Okay. It was absolutely phenomenal. You get a little bit of everything, like this amazing Italian food. We had amazing Thai food. and like you know that I'm an Achana's stand, but it's like a Michelin Star Thai restaurant here

that actually TK took me to. And it's absolutely bomb. You see, that's one thing. Like every time I've come to New York, I haven't explored the food scene. I've done like some of the touristy stuff. But every time I've come, it's always been in December. So it's hard to explore.

It's too fucking cold. Yeah, you just got to like, I mean, I've come in December too. You've got to. like really plan. You can't just walk around. You've got to like plan your destination from A to B. Otherwise you're going to freeze. Yeah. No, yeah. It's winters are brutally cold. So I think you getting out of here before winter would probably be a good thing if you can. Don't tell TK. that though. No, I won't tell him that. He's not here. So he didn't hear it. But I couldn't do it.

That's the one thing I couldn't do. I'm staying. I'm staying. I got to figure it out. I got to get myself a good coat. So if anybody knows, let me know. So now five months here, right? You got it, your job with your current company. Yeah. Which is... I am business group director at RXMD. It's a communications and medical affairs agency that services pharmaceutical and biotech clients.

Okay. And how did you come about getting that job? Because when you moved to New York, did you already have a job in place lined up? Yeah. Or was New York? Okay, so you did. Okay. It wasn't like you said, screw it.

I'm going to move to New York and then figure it. out from there? No, no. It's cost a lot of money. It's a living in New York. No, I know, but yeah, people have money saved. Some people are a little bit more, you know, risk takers. Yeah, no, no, they actually relocated me. Oh, so you were employed by them in Miami. No. Where? They flew me up for the final interview. Oh, okay, got you. Oh, understood. Got, then you got the job and then, we good? Oh, shit, you scared me. Oh, Jesus Christ. I was like, oh, shit, what happened?

I guess it wasn't me. The thing is, I can't really see what's... Oh, God. I thought I broke this chair for a night. I thought a couple of things happened. I thought the camera fell first, and then I'm like, oh, God. And then I thought you fell, and then I'm like, no, he didn't fall. And then I'm like, what's going on back there?

Okay. Let me get to where we were. Okay, relocation. So when you came to New York, you were relocation. relocated by the company that you currently work with. Yeah. Did the interview and they're like, hey, we want you to work for us. We're going to move you to New York City.

Yeah, and it was interesting because they relocated me, but then they weren't like, it was weird. They were like, well, make you business group supervisor. And I'm like, that's not really, it's like a backwards jump from where I was at Amaran. And so in the first, I'm going to give myself a little small cooom. but in the first 60 days they did give me a major major promotion and I think that that really helped solidify my own confidence in in the move yeah and that I had done the right thing um because they believed in me enough to do that yeah so it's it's not easy to pick up and say hey I'm moving to a whole other state I have this weird thing where I like

really don't like to make things easy. I don't know. I feel it. Neither do I. That's why I do what I'm doing because I could have made a night life a lot easier. And I wouldn't say this is the easy path. Is that way we're friends? We're just thinking, yeah, we understand. I got to prove it. I got to do it. But obviously it's a testament too to although it may not be easy. You obviously enjoy what you do. Yeah. You know, and you're willing to do the uncomfortable to make it happen. And that might involve moving to a whole other state. Do it. And exactly, and just trust that whatever comes out of it will be the right decision.

But it was really a full circle moment for me, honestly, because the types of clients that we service, it's not like we're, I mean, we do have some big pharma clients and it's really cool because it's job security. But my favorite ones are those that I'm more involved with. And it's one that works in the addiction space. So we've got this one client that produces a product that's like a competitor to Narcan. And then we have another one that assists with like opioid addiction treatment, like long-term treatment. And it's, I mean, I basically, I'm a glorified storyteller. Like that's what I do for a living, what's what I've always done. and the stories that you get to tell within that space

are not like they're so heavy you really do feel like you're making a difference and it's not like you've got the CEO that's like just trying to make bank right this guy is like I genuinely want this company to not exist at some point and that means that we did our job so that's cool he's basically

leveraging the power of PR to kind of fix a problem that's out there. But outside of the PR space, like I think he really believes in the products, in the products that he's selling. And in particular, the one that assist with addiction recovery. Like he, they, they really do like drink the juice in the sense that they, it's not just like sales.

Like they really do believe it. And that for me was that that's, that's an easy, it's a hard sell. in practice, but it's such an easy cell from like a heart standpoint. And another client that I have is, which is my primary client, has this, what I like to call like a microwave. It's literally like this big. And what it does is it, it like helps with the, assist with the manufacturing of cells.

So when there's something. Are these US-based companies or are they international? Um, the, the one I'm talking about right now is UK. Okay. Okay. Base, but has a headquarters, quarters in the U.S. And then the first one is headquartered in the U.S. Um, but this one, so they're in, in the, the area of cancer treatment.

And like they make, it's also used for sickle cell and other things. But particularly cancer treatment, there's a therapy called cell and gene therapy that's kind of, of new. And it's very effective, but because of the hurdles in manufacturing this type of therapy, basically you're manufacturing cells. What they do is they take your cells, your bad, you know, your bad cells. They train them in a petri dish, how to fight your cancer, mass produce them and put them back in your body. And so it's so cool because it's the things that, the things that kill you and all of the cancer, they say you have to survive the treatment

more than you survive the cancer. So this eliminates that. Wow. That aspect. It's really amazing. And this is basically like a pressure cooker for cells, which assist in the manufacturing of these therapies. It's really, really freaking cool.

So hard to explain. No, I mean, shit. I wouldn't even... So hard to explain. It's crazy that there's people out there, that are this intelligent, right, to be able to even think about that as being something that is achievable, right? I'm always, like, amazed when it comes to science and research, especially like on the medicine side, right? Because it's been a problem for a long time. And people have been trying to figure it out and trying to figure it out. Yet there's always an evolution to this, right? And I think,

I think a lot of what exists today is through obviously research that has been done over the years. Yeah. But shit, like, you got to be a freaking genius. to be able to think, hey, you know what? This doesn't exist now and we should do it this way. I have so much respect for them. Yeah, it's, it's impressive. And even the guy that said, let's make a freaking business out of it, let's make, because at the end of the day, people are only going to invest in things that make them money.

Of course. So he said, you're like, okay, let's, let's get a win-win scenario here. The nature of a business, though, is like where there's a problem, you need to provide a solution, right? You know, and there's, I mean, I saw it firsthand when I was working at Baptist for three years. At the end of the day, you know, nobody likes to talk about it. If we want to keep treating patients, you need to find a way to make money. And so what happens is these health systems have to get creative because the hospitals are all working at deficits. So then they start going into like outpatient centers or in this case, you know, was like a imaging centers and physician practices and all these things.

So it's like how can we basically offset the money that we're losing in like the ERs and in the hospital stays? because you can't turn people away. Yeah. But that's like we could talk about that for years. Oh yeah, 100%. I mean, it obviously seems like you're very passionate about, you know, where you work. But let's kind of rewind, right? Like how you got to where you were.

When we met, you were working at Ameren Bank, right? But that obviously wasn't your first job. Where did your kind of career begin in the world of PR? Was PR always something that you wanted to do? Was that like your... No. I'm going to do PR, was it more marketing? Like, how did you get into the space?

I was a civil engineering major when I got to U.S. Okay, okay. I loved physics. That was a freaking nerd. Yeah, I was like an undercover nerd. It's funny. It's a very common theme that people that in their current job or occupation or whatever endeavor that they're doing does not match what they went to school for.

Well, I mean, I ended up getting a PR degree. But I started. I didn't start. I mean, I started pre-med. Look at that. Took a chemistry class. I'm like, nope, this is not for me. Damn. Yeah. Yeah, my dad, every time I changed my major, my dad was like... I'm so happy I didn't like it after freshman year.

I was like, fuck this. I don't know. I would have liked to do something like that. I just didn't know I would be passionate about it until later. And then I said, well, I can't do it. So I might as well do PR in that same space. Right. But anyways, I started civil engineering at UF. I was parting super hard, having a great time,

and I had a little bit too much fun in high school. Didn't really pay attention too much in Kemp class and didn't cut it. Didn't cut UF Kemp. It is a weed out class in my defense, but yeah. It wends me out. But then I switched to marketing. And oddly enough, my dad who has a marketing degree for international marketing degree from Miami, from UM. was like, no, that's not good enough.

It's not good enough. He had really high hopes for me. So I switched to finance, and then I'm not a finance person. My dad can now attest to that, is he helped me still. But, yeah, no. So then by the time I got to PR, and there's a whole long backstory, and we can save that also for another day. But by the time I got to PR, he said to me,

oh, my God, I don't care. Just pick something. Gradually. Like, okay. So my first PR internship was at Rock Orange. Rock Orange is owned by two guys. Miguel Piedra, who's the Rock. And David Naranjo is the Orange.

Okay, gotcha. They were, Miguel was, and I might not be 100% right here, so bear with me. Miguel, I believe, was leading the PR team for RBI or for BK. and then when it got bought out by RBI, they eliminated their PR team. They created this agency and then got hired by RBI to carry out BK's PR. So that was a really, really cool experience,

really good people. That's a great place to start. Oh my God, I give them all their credit in the world. I still keep up with David and his wife, who worked there also, Paulina, to this day. But they are, they're just incredible people to work for. Oh, it's like 19 years old. And they really did make me fall in love.

It's a great place. Fall in love with it. It's a great place. Great culture. I mean, especially like if for anyone that doesn't know, no restaurant brand international is RBI. They represent Popeye's BK and a couple other spots. But there's a good culture there from what I've heard.

And obviously it's one of the larger brands out there, especially in that space where you know that you know, that you know that they know what they're doing, right? And it's always good to be a part of that, especially like at your stage at 19 years old, where you're learning from some of the best. Not to date myself, but that was in 2015. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, and I imagine, it's changed so much since then. I don't know what's going on there anymore, but back then. Shit, I mean, it definitely looks like they know what they're doing. Yeah. I think I have enough of an understanding of the marketing world to be like, okay, like, I get it. Like, I see it. Remember the sandwich?

One of the best things they ever did was they create. created a competition when the whole chicken sandwich thing was going on, right? And they did a commercial of which sandwich was better. The Popeye sandwich or the Burger King chicken sandwich. Which, yeah, everyone's like, oh, oh, it's a win-win. Oh, I'm going to go try them both. And RBI is like, fuck yeah, you are. Hell yeah, go, go try them both.

Let us know which one you like more. Oh, you like Popeye's more? Oh, you like Burger King more? They're like, fuck, we don't give a shit. Fucking genius. You know the craziest. part is my um at the time that that was happening my boss's boss I was at baptist while the the chicken sandwich situation was happening she had actually left to rbi i as their comms director of some

sort so we would check we would text her every once and i was like covid pop-eye shaking sam I don't even know if covid had rolled around yet but i think maybe she was back by then but i mean we were like what what the heck is going on with this sandwich She's like, oh my God, you have no idea. I have a headache and it's a sandwich. It worked, though. The irony of going from Baptist to a fried chicken place and being like... And back.

Yeah. That's funny. But I did that a couple of times, too. So then after Rock Orange, I did my two last years at UF, graduated with a PR degree, went to Republica, which is now Republica Habas. Another great place. Yeah. I was media buying for them, which is totally not... You did do media buying.

I told you. I've done everything. Wow, you were in the media buying one too. I've done everything. I did media buying too for a while. I even ran Google Ads campaign. I was doing their Google search campaigns. Actually, Baptists, oddly enough.

I was working on the agency side at Republica, and Baptist was my client. I was doing their like Google Ad and Google, sorry, Google Search and Google Display campaigns, which I soon realized was not for me because I was like stuck behind a computer. Yeah, no, I didn't like that one. like to talk to people. Media buying was cool because I talked to people all day long. But I got to a point that I was like, you know, I have this PR degree, UF, UF journalism. The school is like has been ranked in the last five years nationally ranked number one.

I was like, I'm proud of this degree. I got to use it. I love it. Of course, yeah. And so when the opportunity presented itself to go to Baptist to do PR, I left and I went to do that. So I worked there for three years. I worked there for a year. half during COVID.

Oh, wow. That was interesting. Yeah. It was awesome. It was just like make it or break it. I was working the vaccines. Oh, everything. Distribution centers.

We were always like all hands on deck and nobody had an ego about it and it was awesome. It was just like, how can we help? It was an incredible experience. And then from there to Amherent as their, what was? I? Director of Communications. No. Strategic Communications

Manager. Oh, I thought was director. And then I went back. I left back to Republic and then back to Amarant as their vice president corporate communications officer.

Don't put director on me. I knew you as of a more, you know, I guess senior level rule at Amaran. I didn't know the first part and then you left and then it's hard to keep up,

honestly. But I feel like in today's day and age in in the field that I work in, you kind of have to do that. Maybe you know better than I do. You kind of have to do that to move up. Yeah. Quickly. Yes.

Yes. I could see that, right? Where especially in today's, I guess, modern corporate America world, right? You sit at a company for five years. Let's say you get a three to five percent raise every single year. Shit doesn't mean anything, you know, where you can go and just leave the job, get either get a promotion or just get a better salary in the same role. I mean,

there's no hiding that at this point. You got to fight for yourself at the end of the day because nobody's going to fight for you. As much as they like you, as much as they're your friend. And you know, you know, you know your value. As much as they call, you know, whatever. Like I was always in my roles, I've always been the youngest, right? So, oh, little kid, little, whatever. Until the day that you're not making the money anymore and then that's it.

Yeah. So it's, it's business. It's business at the end of the day. And I think that you need to ask yourself, am I still learning? And the second that that answer is not blatantly yes, you move. A hundred percent. I felt that, you know, in my previous life, I mean, this is, I don't know, a couple years ago already. But I could feel that.

You know, it felt like stagnant where I was like, I'm not, I learned a lot there, But I felt to a point where I'm like, damn, I'm not learning anything anymore. I don't feel like I'm improving here. But it could have nothing to do with the place either. No, 100%. That's what I'm saying. There's no one to blame. It's just it's the circle of life and the cycles of life that you go through where reality is,

you got what you were supposed to get out of that. And now it's for the next chapter. And I think you do have to have a level of awareness with that because you could get stuck and complacent in these places and just say, hey, this is for, me, but you know, yeah, 100%, but I think that comes from you too because you're ambitious, you know, you're hungry, you're motivated, you also know your strengths and your power that if you don't feel that in the place that you're at, you're going to, you're going to want to leave because it's just innate and within you to go and be better somewhere else, right?

Because you know you can provide more value. And it has nothing of, you know, to talk bad about where you were or anything like that, because it has nothing to do with them. It's a strictly you thing. And we're 20, you know, we're in our high 20s, mid-20s, whatever you are, soon to be 30s, right? I didn't say you. I'm just saying it for the general audience, 40s, 50s,

whatever you are, whatever age you are. It doesn't matter what age you are. It's too close to not hurt. Listen, I was not directing anything at you. It's too close to not hurt. For all you know, you could be 22. I don't even know how old you are. But reality,

is, no matter how old you are or where you are in your life, it's up to you to make that decision of what is of importance to you and what works. If you're fine with your at and you're happy, there's nothing wrong with that. But if you feel that discomfort of just being unsatisfied with where you are and just, like you said, to me, growth is joy. Like, growth is happiness. Nobody's also uncomfortable. But it does come with a level of comfort, right? Like, you're going to have to have difficult conversations and make difficult decisions where, You might be leaving a good job, right? Or you might be leaving a good position.

You might be leaving a good team, right? But I think sometimes other people, you made a comment earlier about being, you know, in the right place and whatever, all this stuff. I do think that that applies in this context as well. Right. Because I got to be honest, I didn't want to leave Amherent. I know. I was super comfy, super happy.

Amaran, the stadium arena deal. Right. All these things were happening. I was having so much fun. And someone said to. to me and I wasn't happy about it at all when I heard it. Uh-huh. But I'll give her the credit.

She said, um, like, aren't you bored? Like isn't like this, this isn't for you? And I'm like looking at her like, this is for me. What are you saying? And, and she kind of forced me, she put me in that uncomfortable position where I, it made me realize and I say this about how I ended up in New York. Like, right. I needed to change and I needed a challenge.

Um, and when I'm not, me personally, when I'm not challenged, I, I get bored. I start, you know, vacillando. I'm like, I'm like a little kid. Like, if I don't keep my eye, like, on the prize, I kind of, I kind of, a straight. Exactly. Just kind of like start drifting.

And so I think that it was one of the hardest things I've done. It was the, probably, yeah, one of the hardest things I've done, but one of the most rewarding is getting here. And even though it's not been easy, just being like, we're in New York. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

You have to give yourself credit, too. This is a hard place. Fuck yeah. No, dude, I mean, you can make the argument. It's definitely harder than Miami. I'm like, I got to go on Uber because if I go on the subway right now, I'm going to die. Yeah, exactly. We were really talking about that.

That was our rationale. We take the train here and then we Uber back. That's the same thing. That was our rationale. If we're going to do the Uber, it's going to be later, not now. I promise my mom. Yeah. Damn, we had so many other things that we had to talk about by that.

Yes, we did. But really quick on that point, you obviously said that, like, you know, you kind of like your back against the wall and you kind of like that in comfort when you moved over here. There must be something wrong with me, but yeah. But when you did make that decision, right, where you end up leaving Ameren and you put yourself in this uncomfortable situation to come here, do you feel more confident saying that now that you've been here for five months? Or did you genuinely have that confidence to say, yeah, I'm going to put myself in this uncomfortable? No, I was a disaster. I was a disaster. I was like in a super bad place. I didn't know what I was doing, honestly. It was like one foot in front of the other at that point. And I've been in place in that point in my life before. But after having accomplished what I had and being back at that spot where I was literally one day at a time, one foot in front of the other, it was, it was not,

yeah, it wasn't planned. Yeah. And I think that. the same way that I put one foot in front of the other to get up out of bed. I put it to book the interview. I did it when I got dressed to take the flight to come here. I did it when I accepted the job. I did it when I called Victor Ruiz and I said, I need a roommate. Do you know anybody in New York?

And he connected me with my roommate now. But you see that level of synergy in a moment like that? I don't ask questions. I just know that I'm where I'm supposed to be. solidifies that you're making the right decision. I'm always, 99% I want to say 99% of time, but a majority of the time, I'm pretty skeptical about the decisions I make.

They're trust your gut. Exactly. There's a level of trust and optimism and everything that I do because, like you said, I trust my gut and I trust my instinct. But nothing's certain. Nothing's guaranteed, right? So you're going to obviously have a little bit of doubt. It never is, though.

It never, it never is. And which is why you have to take that leave, right? Because nothing is guaranteed. Would you rather live with the regret of not doing it or live with at least the fact that you did it? You tried. And even if you failed, do you at least know you did it? Listen, I learned at a very young age that life is short. And I've been living balls to the wall since then.

Sienpena. And listen, that might not be for everyone, but shit. No, it's not. If it works for you, I think that's a good way to continue to live, right? Because the stars will just kind of align themselves in the way. You find the roommate. You find the job. You find your friends.

It all works out. It all works out. At the end of the day, you're praying to the right person and you're, you know, you're, you're doing right by your people. Life has a way of working itself out. And I've been really, I'm not naive enough to admit. I've been really, really lucky. I have an incredible support system. My family is actually the best and has made this move the hardest.

Right. Because I'm far from them. Of course. But as long as you have the right people in your court, my friends are amazing. There's nothing you can't do. Yeah. That's true. It does take a village, even if they're not here.

And that's because we're like smart people. There's some people out there that I wouldn't say that too. No, but I agree. But listen, that's what separates, you know, people like ourselves from other people. And it's a reality of fact. And I don't say this in an arrogant way or, you know, in a demeaning way to anybody else. but I do think people like ourselves just bring a different energy to the table

and that's why we're able to do the things that we're able to do and it's not to make me larger than anybody else or you know make anyone feel smaller in the process it's just like a respecting like real knows real and it's why I like I love this platform and some people are just carry you know carry a certain energy and demeanor to them they serve but everybody serves a purpose Exactly.

One thousand percent. Everybody serves the purpose. They think that ours is a little bit louder. Yep. But. Because for Cuban, so. Yeah. We had that gift.

Exactly. It was kind of guaranteed. But the next kind of thing that I want to get into, right? Obviously, we're here in New York. You've been in this PR and marketing worlds for a long time. Mm-hmm. What would you say over, you know, I guess from the beginning of when you started to now has been like one of the biggest changes in that, I guess, overall media, but also the PR landscape?

So there's two things in particular that I think have really changed the landscape. And the first is AI. Okay. Interesting. I got my master's in 2022. And AI wasn't a thing. Like, I got my master's in marketing

in December 2020. And AI was not a discussion. ChatchipT had launched yet. That's true, yeah. So the fact that now chat GPT and all these others have entered the chat and we're cranking written like what would take hours doing a press release messaging documents, analyses of articles, analyses of reporters, of, you know, reporters, all this stuff that would take hours upon hours upon hours. You throw into chat GPT and you get it in five minutes.

This is true. And it's an absolute game changer. You cannot rely on it fully. But the fact that it gets you like 60, 70% of the way there is like there's no being successful in marketing communications nowadays if you're not using AI because you're going to end up last. Yeah. I can see that. Point blank. Just a level of efficiency that it provides.

I'm like my interns are like cranking shit out every 30 minutes with chat GPT. And I'm like, okay. I saw an Instagram video the other day and it was like, I mean, I think. I think it's a tool that you have to learn how to use to. The prompt is everything. It's crazy. There's an art to the prompt. That's exactly what I was going to get to.

It's like you could just say, hey, chat GBT, you know, what is this? Or do this for me. But the level of granularity that you can get into and the specifics and your demand and the prompt can like change the dynamic of what you're able to get out of it. I totally used it today. I'll give you an example where you can and you can't use it. Okay. Today I was applying for like late show like a. like shows based in New York City, like, to get tickets.

Like, Jimmy Kimmel, for example. I had to, you had to provide, like, a rationale why, like, you deserve the tickets. And I, like... You have to apply to get tickets to Jimmy Kimmel's show? Yeah. So I threw that shit in Chad, GBT, and I'm, like, assume the identity of a 29-year-old who just moved to New York City from Miami, who's super excited, who does PR, who... And tell them why I deserve to have tickets. It cranked it right out.

Then I was doing the same thing for SNL tickets. And I wrote that by hand because I had to say that this is the difference between what ChatGBT can do. I'm like, when I was a baby or like a little kid, my nickname became Cheeky Monkey because of the Simon skits with Mike Mice. where he would say, chicky monkey. So my uncle, my godfather started calling me cheeky monkey and it stuck. That's a good entry here. He calls me that to this day. You can't tell them that Marcelo Hernandez went to Berlin and I'm from Miami and I was

watching him at Torres for open mic. You know, that's the difference of when you can, I mean, it's a stupid. It's a stupid example, but it's real. It's something I actually did today. So please give me the tickets. Don't worry. We're going to create our own S&O. show soon and you have unlimited invites.

We're going to have fans here. Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't know if it would be here, but we'll have it soon. In TK's backyard. Can be one of the spots, I guess. But that's like, just to just to show exemplify how it can and can't be used. But the other thing that has changed the game is that virality, which is not a word, I looked it up when I was writing my notes for this.

It's not a word. Virality is not, but. Miriam Webster, I'm saying it's a word now, virality, not vitality, virality. Basically, evens the playing field, I think, because anybody can go viral. Hagtua? What? I mean, what's your thoughts on that? I got to be honest, I have a few, like, TikTok reposts of, of my favorite one is like a, it's like a Greek,

restaurant of a guy with a bunch of skewers. She does a hook to her and it's the Zaziki getting thrown in his face. No, I mean, it's the internet. God knows what people came up with it. I mean, that was just like she's just disgusting example

but she got her bag. But like... I mean, it and I don't, I don't want to, we don't have to go down a rabbit hole of it, but it, it does speak to the virality aspect where at any given moment, even if you're not expecting.

it could change the dynamic of your life. Like, I mean, shit, look at us. Like, we've been doing this for a while and obviously we've grown in a very organic and slow way. But shit, you see that and you're like, wow, that made her famous. Well, the flip side to that is cancel culture, which is another thing that's really, really, really changed. And that's a scary, I think it's kind of a scary thing because you can do everything right.

You can have the best intentions. and then... One thing can fuck it up. One thing can fuck it up. And granted, I love it because for me, it's job security. Right? Crisis comes. Yeah, because we're going to call you and be like, hey. Fix this mess.

Made a mistake. And I'll have to sit there and figure out how the... And in today's age, too, the smallest things can be the biggest mistake. Well, that and I think the most important aspect of PR is actually mitigating it before it gets to become a mistake. Yes, absolutely. It's making sure that what you're saying isn't, or what your creative looks. looks like, like, I don't know, there's, like, I feel like there's hidden penises and everything.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, like, there needs to be somebody with a PR hat looking at everything. Ready to. You're like the glorified gloom and doom. Yeah. Because you sit there and you think about all the different ways that it could be dissected, that it could be looked at, red, you know, viewed. And you say, okay, no, this one actually kind of passes the test. Granted, you, you lose a little bit of creativity there, I think, because it ends up. being a little bit washed.

But what about the fact, like, do people need to, like, live in more fear now in the way that they go about producing content? Yeah, absolutely. And anything that they do? And I think it's even bigger than producing content. I think it's, like, your daily, you need to be careful about your daily life.

Yeah, sure. We used to make stupid comments. We used to say stupid things. Because in the name of a joke, like, you can't do that anymore. Yeah. And whether it was right or wrong then, and right around, I'm not, I'm not in the position to go down that rabbit hole. But it's, it's, what you have to understand is that these things have a life beyond the way that you intend them.

Does that make sense? Yeah. Your intentions could be great. Right. Super pure, genuine. But at the end of the day, if somebody misinterprets it or takes it out of context, you're fucked. Yeah. It's all about perception.

Exactly. And that's why I think being in New York and experiencing all these different cultures kind of gives you a little bit of a one-up because the amount of different perspectives that you see, that you witness. You're kind of getting an understanding of what that people care about, what it is that they look, how the way they look at things. I didn't mean to make this a full circle. But you did. You brought it all back home.

All right. Podcast's over. Thank you very much. I'm just kidding. They're probably like, yeah, please. No, no, no. I'm talking shit. No, but it's true.

I think you bring a really interesting. point of the fact of like you can have the attention correct you can have you know kind of the thought process behind it and the rationale and even have insights behind it right because there's a ton of people that do consumer insights before they kind of informed decisions yet the perception of the consumer could be completely different than what you expected yeah i do think some of that can be mitigated through some sort of testing before yeah absolutely right that's what i'm here for so you know you can kind of test the market you could you know to get quite qualitative and quantitative data.

Oh, no. I mean, once it's out, it's out. But, but you have somebody with that. Before it gets out to the masses. I think you have to have somebody on your team with that lens. Yeah. To be looking at. Are you a PR nightmare?

Are you a PR nightmare? Yeah. Oh my gosh. He's thinking about it. I thought it was going to be an easy no. I mean, no, I don't think. I was going to give you a real honest answer. I don't think.

I don't think so I haven't seen. And I'm like a, no, I sit. I watch all your show. shit. I know that's what I'm like your most loyal one follower on TikTok. If anyone sees our shit, it's definitely her. No, it's good. You're good. You mean, some of your guests maybe. I don't know. Offline, you got to tell me. Just kidding. I'm the guest that's a wild card. Yeah. Oh, good. I'm glad. I mean, yeah. I mean, also the bigger you get, the bigger the problem, that bigger problem. That's another thing. You got more eyeballs on you. Yeah. So how about a guy like

Dave Portnoy. That guy essentially is a PR nightmare, yet he still always finds a way to get on top. And he doesn't give his shit about what the people that are going to, first of all, he's, yes. He's a PR nightmare, but that's his brand. One. Okay. Two.

I would just want to hear your response to this. No, I love it. I love him. I know. What I, okay, fun fact, I actually did apply for the integrated director. of marketing position at Barstool. I could see you there. And he wrote a whole ass cover letter.

Don't worry. We'll hire you. To Miss Peaches. We'll hire you before. And it was super clever and nobody got back to me about. I'm like, dear Miss. I can definitely see you there 100%. I think I would be great.

It would be better at stay tranquil though. I need the big, is you got the big bucks yet? It's coming. I know. I'm making sure of that. They're coming. But so Dave's brand is, is that.

Yeah. And that's why it works for him. Also, he's made it very clear that he doesn't give a shit. Yeah. He cares. The people that think it's funny are the people that he caters to. And if you're not that, he doesn't care. And the thing is that he needs to be careful about continuing to cater to that audience

because what he's his audience, right? The second he says something that might maybe pisses off his own, I don't know, he says some pretty controversial shit about everything. He does, but his audience seems to rally around it. I think he loses some people in the process because you read the comments. But he doesn't care. No, he doesn't care. I mean, shit.

I mean, he also sold his company. for $450 million, so maybe the filter is just going to go away. Mine would. Like, I'm a fan. Yeah. Like, I do think he's... I'm a huge fan, too. I'm a huge fan of his.

I admire the hell out of him. And I'll tell you that even when I don't agree with him, I still think he's funny. Yeah. I mean, listen, I think there's something that comes with authenticity. Whether with that authenticity comes other things with it that you may not agree with. I think that's fair. But at least, like you said, he stays true to who he is. He seems to not necessarily.

be a bad person in all of this? Has he done some questionable things? Absolutely. But no one's fucking perfect. Look at what he does for the pizza restaurants. I mean, that's a great PR in my opinion. But it doesn't feel like it.

No, no. It doesn't feel like it. But it obviously helps him. And that's the trick. It doesn't feel like it. Look at this guy. Authentic. He's authentic as hell. Keith, the boxer that does the restaurant reviews. He leaves a $4,000 tip or where he goes. Who? Keith. Is not his name?

Maybe. I'm terrible with people. He's also, I mean, he really doesn't do anything bad. Yeah. But, I mean, it's just, damn, maybe that was a bad example. I just really like him. He goes to restaurants and like everywhere, but in most kind of like bad areas in different cities and brings them business. He's doing something, right?

He's doing a lot, right? But yeah, to the point of Dave, like, you got at a certain point, I think that you have to make a decision. and it's owning your brand, whether it's this or that. And if it's that, then you got to run with it. Yeah, I think he's solidified. You got to know your audience. You have to know your audience and he knows his audience.

He's been very true to who he's been since day one too. And you could see that. And I think, like you said, I think that's where his audience has gravitated to. But I was just curious because he is the definition of controversial, I guess you could say, at some capacity, yet, you know, he's been able to do it. And I mean, there's other people. I'm not going to mention them because that's a whole other discussion. I wonder his take on Taylor Swift and Travis, this whole PR thing that came on.

I heard that was AI generated. I wouldn't be honestly. I've heard so much as AI generated nowadays. Yeah. I heard that there was like a, like a sniper or something in California that he had the scope backwards and lost his job, some commander. What? And that it was apparently AI genera? I don't know, whatever.

We've got to be really careful with that shit. Yeah, I don't know. Those type of things I try not to get to be. It's pretty scary. All right. So before we wrap it up, I want to ask you a couple kind of like a rapid fire style questions. If you could bring one dish from Miami to New York that you could have whenever you wanted, what would it be? Lechon, like a cajana.

Like the actual cajana china or the lechon made in the cajia? No, the Kahajina's the best. I would miss that so much. That's my favorite thing to do. Like, in terms of, like, a Cuban tradition, it's the Kahichina. Yeah, same. I could do that, like, every weekend if I could, honestly. I could, too.

That's a good answer. It's the first time I got that answer. I like that. I'm hurting. Huh? I'm hurting over here. I heard there was going to be a Kahachina at a Tailgate in Gaineso this weekend. Was it there?

I didn't smile it. I couldn't find it. You couldn't find it. I didn't find it. That would be good. It would have kind of helped with the loss, but it's fine. Yeah, that was a rough loss. I have no comment on that game.

I already made my comment about it. I don't want to talk about it. Yeah, we're good. All right. Second question is, what does it mean to stay tranquil? I think it means to stay true to yourself and own it. like be chill I like that

stay true to yourself I agree I think part of the reason when I started Stayed Tranquilo was as I found my identity in all of this like I

felt the most comfortable I could and I just stopped giving a shit about what anybody else thought in the process and like be at peace with it yeah yeah exactly it has to start within you

you know you have to feel comfortable within my own skin and you're just going to carry that with you everywhere you go. Yeah. How about we do this? On the last question,

why don't you ask me a question? Okay. Because I feel like you have something. What has been your favorite interview today? Oh, my favorite interview. I couldn't say I have one specific. Oh, come on. I can't.

I really can't. I don't know if I actually know the answer to that question. I've enjoyed a lot of them. I will say that. one of the cooler experiences, I would say, was actually one that we did recently, which was with the head coach of FIU. I saw that.

Something about that just kind of, I don't know, hit different. You know, and it has nothing to do with FIU, honestly. It has nothing to do with the fact that it's sports related. Who wasn't the bald cap? No, it wasn't the bald cap. Test me it was not the vault cap. Even though that was pretty epic by David.

I don't know. Coach Mack just, was like, you could tell he's a real dude, authentic, and he's a true leader. Like, you speak to him and you're like, all right, like, I want to learn from this guy, you know? Um, you know, I, I, I think there's power in those type of people. There's obviously, there's a reason why they're there in that position. There's a reason why they have a track record of success. Um, so I, I did like just kind of sit there and kind of be like, damn, I want to, I want to really listen to what this guy has to say, um, because of the wisdom that he has.

A lot of the guests, too, that we have on are very similar in age, right? Yeah. And I thought you were going to say Georgie because the wine. Well, listen, I will say that Georgia has introduced me into some crazy wines in the last couple of weeks. All I know is that I got home to my lamellos package. Shout out lamellos. Yesterday. All the way up here in New York.

I showed New York what's up. You got to, I mean, if they could see the picture of what you cooked, they look good. It looked good. I did get a few how-chews. Chef of La Mello's right here in New York City. It's pretty hard to fuck up with Denver, but... You'd be surprised. People will fuck it up.

I mean, I think you cooked it to perfection. It was crispy. No, you did. You did good. I've done it a few times. Presentation was nice. But yeah, no, it's... You've got some good guess.

We've had some good guess. It is even hard to keep up with all the people that we've had on. You know, I'm sure if I look back... Victor on the boat, that was cool. Vig on the boat was amazing. Just that type of environment and being out. there was super cool and getting that shot. It looked amazing on camera because of pooch over here.

But there's a ton and I think every one of them really does bring it. And it sounds cliche and it's basic and safe, whatever you want to call it. But it's true. Every conversation just, it almost feels like it's my first podcast every time I do one. It was pretty cool. And I feel it in the beginning because I'm not like nervous, but like I need to get in a flow when I start talking. And it's every single time. You know? So I don't know. I just, I do think there's like something unique about everybody that that I interview.

Well, I think what you're doing here is pretty unique and that you make, you know, people, other people shine. It's a pretty pretty, pretty, have you wait to bear and you do a great job doing it, both of you guys. Thank you, thank you. We appreciate it. And we're having fun doing it. And we're in New York doing it now, which is pretty freaking dope. And we're going to do a couple of them. But top first two right here. Look at that. We made it happen. here. It was just pretty crazy. Who would have guessed, you know? But thank you again for real. Thank you.

For making this all happen. And thank you for the hospitality. And yeah, thank you for showing us around New York. Just go eat more pizza. Let's get some pizza. Absolutely. All right, guys. See later.

Cheers.