Stay Tranquilo - How to Start a Winery & Wine's Connection to Golf

Episode Date: January 21, 2025

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We started out with four acres of the vignet grape, which is one of our, which is one of the more popular varietals we have. And it came with the house when they bought it in 2012. And so we had, and then where we are, we're in the country. So it's like, we're in the country, but it's kind of like a old ranch that was selling off parcels. And like the whole neighborhood now is like 20 to 20 acre parcels. Okay. So it's actually a really beautiful neighborhood. But it's still like, it's still country.

People like, we all have horses. We all, we're not all of us, but most people out here have horses and, and we're out in the middle of nowhere, basically. But it's all farmland. But the 20 acre parcel, so they bought the initial 20, got a good deal on the 20 acres that was diagonal to him. And then got to know the owner of actually where the course is now going through the vines. And then he was ready to sell, kind of retire, be done. just planned on building his dream home on that property and didn't end up working out. His plans changed and all that.

And he was just trying to get rid of it. So we got another good deal, which was really excellent for us. And we had always already, we just started out with like dirt on the hill, like close to the house. So basically when we first got the house, we started hitting golf balls right away. So it was just like kind of a natural thing. Like it's like building anything or remodeling anything. It's like, oh, I did this little tweak. oh well now that looks weird we got to add this like okay well now let's add this like so we started

hitting golf balls pretty much right away on day one episode we got because we just met a few weeks ago but i feel like the moment we met i like this guy's my guy like i got to get him on the pod he gets it we're going to talk a little wine today we're going to talk a little golf um tell you know tell jake's story more than anything but a man appreciate you for coming on i think it's going be a fun one today yeah man appreciate you having me absolutely so so what was it a couple weeks ago malabon event we're there with jesse from stogie's and bogeys um you guys were there and um you know we kind of just hit it off i've known jesse now for a couple years i want like two years or so i want to say um jesse's a man but you know anybody a friend of jesse is a friend of ours for sure

so we we uh we appreciate you for coming on and we're really excited for this but i want to get right into, you know, something that I thought was super intriguing when we first met was that you guys have a winery. So I want to hear a little bit about about the winery, how that came to be, what that whole process is of even running a winery. So definitely want to hear your story and talk a little bit about that. Yeah, absolutely, man. So, you know, it's a family business. I'm second generation. My dad always wanted to have a winery. And when he was able to, he kind of jumped head first. So he started it. I wasn't a part of it yet. And then I'm like, you know what? I actually wasn't a drinker. I wasn't a drinker until I decided to start with family again.

So I figure if I'm going to start with family, I better start drinking. So. True not. Yeah, exactly. And so yeah, he started. I'm like, you know what, with my background in sales and marketing and all that stuff, I could really, really help bring this place to another level. and we did that you know we opened up a tasting room i rejoined the family business maybe maybe a month after we initially opened up the tasting room and so that was after like you know with some family help but with everything else they all got decorated and all that i'm like we're not really good you know the renovation itself was it was good uh because we had an old barn it was just an old

storage barn that was a hundred over a hundred years old on our property where the tasting room is and we just renovated that and that's where our taste room is now. It's beautiful. And the initial renovation was nice. It served its purpose. It was great. But there's, yeah, definitely the core and things like that. I'm like, we're kind of attracting just like the established wine drinkers.

And for me being a new drinker, it was really important for me to kind of open that up to people that were my age. Because, like, you know, it was just like, I guess old people coming in drinking wine. 100%. And which is great, but I wanted to create a space where we can kind of connect the different generations. On your set. Anybody that wanted to come in and have a laid back high-end experience, that's what I wanted to create for anybody. So we've done that pretty well. I mean, our popularity has definitely increased.

We won Best Tasting Room a couple years in a row. and we've grown our wine club to over 600 members. Yeah, that's cool. In a very short amount of time, and even through COVID and all that stuff, because we opened up our tasting room at end of 2018, and so we're able to go through COVID and be okay, thankfully. And most of our tasting rooms outside,

we have a beautiful patio area. We do live music, and now we serve food, because one of the regulations during COVID for California, was you could be open in the back patio or, you know, outside if you serve food. So food trailer. We operate a food trailer. We have a restaurant as well.

I don't remember if I told you that or not. Okay. We have a fine dining restaurant. And that was actually the first project because we took over that in 2015. It's called the Sheldon Inn. It's been a historic landmark. You know, the building itself is over 100 years old. And it used to be the town's post office, used to be the market, used to be a national.

It used to be an inn, which is where it got its name. It used to be a lot of things over the years. And then since 1988, it's been a family-run restaurant. And I actually grew up going to the restaurant. So it was kind of crazy being a part of it on this side where it's like it doesn't, it's still, we haven't really changed the feel of it, but we've upgraded several things. Like new bar, you know, new seating, new lighting, everything. We've touched every part of that building. But it didn't lose the charm that it was.

was known for and that small town feel because it's in the small town area and uh but i mean it's it's definitely a hidden gem because we got some of the best steaks best seafood best pastas best bar bartenders are amazing and uh so it's kind of you know like i said it's a it's a laid back high-end feel i definitely got to make a trip out there and i remember when you were telling me about it like immediately i think that sounds sick and and there's still more to it which we'll get into but as something that you brought up was interesting right because like there's a stigma around wine right like it's like very it's for the it's for like the wealthy or it's like it's very like sophisticated you know like only certain people can drink wine and and if you don't know wine

you probably should stay away from it you know like there's that stigma around wine and I think reality is it's not really that serious right I think it's just like it's very old and it's and it's it's historic, right? Just the processes of wine and, you know, how those characteristics have carried over the years. But reality is, I think we all kind of enjoy wine and kind of the type of drinking that comes with it, right? It's not a spirit, it's not beer, right? It's kind of one end of its own. And the art of wine making is, like, to me, super interesting, right?

We've done a lot of different segments around wine. And every time I hear the processes that go into it, I'm always, like, intrigued. But at the end of the day, like you said it, like, for us younger, generation individuals like we need to just realize like hey we can go to a winery and learn a ton about wine and and it's only going to help you when you go to a restaurant or you go to a bar right or wherever it is a hotel wherever that experience may be and you can understand what it is that you're ordering like understanding the regions where they come from understanding the type of grapes like the climate it's like so many different facets like there is it is a little complicated

when you think about it but at the end of the day i feel like that's what makes you a appreciate wine for what it is. And I think to me, at least that's always been something that's really interesting. Yeah. No, you're exactly right. And, you know, as far as the intimidation factor with wine, you're 100% right. I always, like, especially the more I get into the golf space, like, I've been golfing my whole life, so I know the ins and outs of it and, like, the social aspect. But really getting into the wine portion and, like, the intimidation factor of, like, people who maybe haven't wine tasted before is very similar to people who haven't golf before yeah where it's kind of that stigma of like the upper class it's not very

well-tens very true that's a great point even know your stuff and it's like that's ridiculous um it should be a game that everybody enjoys wine should be something that um everybody can't enjoy so um it's it's been really cool to see because with our product we we've tried making our product after some of our favorite wines which are on the higher end you know the big wineries in napa farniente nickel nickel rommauer frank family all those guys that's all stuff that we still drink, you know, we love it. We don't drink it as much as our stuff because our stuff is much better and

a little bit more cost effective for us. Exactly. But those are the guys that we are mimicking. So everything in our winemaking process, we grow everything ourselves, we farm everything ourselves. Everything from the farming to the actual bottling is us. So there's

no outside, I mean, we design our own labels. We buy the labels, but we came up with the design. We do all everything in house. That's awesome. It's been really fun. And at our tasting room, like, because it is that high-end product, we appeal to the

upper-scale drinker. But because of how our tasting room is, it's a really nice place. But because how I've led our staff and trained everybody to be like, hey, this is a I want this to be people's second home. There's enough shit people have to worry. I don't know if I can cuss on here. Yeah, yeah, you're good, you're good. No one you.

I'm sure it's fine. but there's enough shit that people have to deal with on everyday basis that our winery shouldn't be one of those places. It should be a place where people can kind of relax, forget about that, bring some friends and have a good time. And if you don't have any friends, come and have a good time with our staff. Like our staff is very much a part of the experience. And we have people that come in every single week, every single multiple times. You know, we're only up in three days on the weekend for our tasting room. We have people that come in every single week, sometimes at the exact same.

same time and they're there to hang out a lot of times with our staff and us and like it's that's something that i'm super proud that's awesome that's awesome and you got so abkins winery is the name of the winery correct uh... adkins family vineyards oh acton's family vineyards got it okay and then where you guys located uh we're located oak grove california so just outside of sacramento kind of you know the the load i wine region uh we're not two for about 30 minutes from load i and maybe uh a little over an hour from Napa or definitely over an hour from Napa. Probably about a hour and a half.

Got it. So logistically, if I'm flying in to go to your winery, Sacramento would be the best of airports to fly into. A national airport. And then from there, it's about depending on traffic, what time you get in, it's probably about a 30, 40 minute drive. Okay. Not too bad.

That's nice. All right. So then talk to me about this, right? So one of the coolest things I thought about about this was that you have a par four pool in the middle of the winery. From what I understand, the grapes are on the left and on the right, and right down the middle is a fairway with a green in the middle. Talk to me about how the hell that even came to me, because I don't know any other winery that has something like that. You know, I haven't seen it either, at least a private one, but yeah, so we're on 60 acres, total of land.

And, yeah, the golf course kind of came about, well, we start, basically. basically the property that it's on it's it it's all estate grown my parents live on the property and it's it's 60 acres so we started out with four acres of the vinyay grape which is one of our which is one of the more popular varietals we have and uh it came with the house when they bought it in 2012 and so we had and then where we where we are we're in the country so it's like we're in the country but it's kind of like a old ranch that was selling off parcels and like the whole neighborhood now is like 20 to 20 acre parcels. Okay.

So it's actually a really beautiful neighborhood, but it's still like it's still country. People like we all have horses. We all, we're not all of us, but most people out here have horses and and we're out in the middle of nowhere, basically, but it's all farmland. But the 20 acre parcel, so they bought the initial 20 got a good deal on the 20 acres that was diagonal to them. and then got to know the owner of actually where the course is now going through the vines. And then he was ready to sell, kind of retire, be done.

He was planning on building his dream home on that property and didn't end up working out. His plans changed and all that when he was just trying to get rid of it. So we got another good deal, which was really excellent for us. And we had always already we just started out with like dirt on the hill, like close to the house. So we were just basically when we first got the house, we started hitting golf balls right away. So it was just like kind of a natural thing. Like, you know, it's like building anything or remodeling anything. It's like, oh, I did this little tweak.

Oh, well, now that looks weird. We got to add this. Like, okay, well, now let's add this. Like, so we started hitting golf balls pretty much right away on day one. And then it's like, well, it'd be nice if we had like grass down there. Like, it'd be nice if we had to target. It'd be nice. So it started off with just a flag way out there in the dirt.

And then once we started, you know, I was an empty acre. We had to, we had to farm everything. else or plant everything else. And so now we're up to 36 acres of vines going from four acres to 36 across 60 acres. And then we're like, let's just put some grass right here and we'll put a little green down there. And yeah, then it just worked out. How narrow is that fairway?

I got to imagine hitting that fairway down. It's, well, for me, it's too narrow. Most fairways are too narrow for me. But this one, it's probably maybe 40. yards wide, 45. So you do need some accuracy. And it's tough too because you're hitting from up high and then you hit across our Zinvines and then the fairway starts, you know, maybe 50 yards out.

And then it kind of flattens out a little bit and then goes down the hill. And as it goes down the hill, the greens elevated a little bit from that. So you're going down. And then most of the, since most of it's downhill, you're chipping when you're chipping up onto the green you're chipping at a downhill slope and then you have a green that doesn't really have a backing and it's astro turf or turf yeah yeah it's you know it's extremely challenging course but it makes it fun it keeps it interesting so uh we're we're happy to have it on there oh yeah that's awesome that's sick man i got to go check it out and for anyone that's listening definitely go check

it out because i feel like that's a one-of-one experience he had drink some wine and uh and then some golf goals. I mean, what better combo than that? So yeah, let's take it into the next part of this, right, where, you know, obviously you have the winery, but you've been huge into the golf space, right? Golf has been something that you're very passionate about and you enjoy. And, you know, you now in the process of even starting a whole YouTube segment around golf and, you know, bringing in the wine into all that. So talk to me about a little bit of like how golf came to be in your life and then, you know, how obviously that's involved over the years. Yeah, so golf, my first set of golf clubs was like the Little Tykes golf clubs when I was three.

My dad or my parents got him for me. And that was kind of like the beginning of. Obviously, that's just getting used to moving around, nothing serious or anything, a little kid. But my dad was the golfer. He was always playing the sport. He used to be really good. He's had some shoulder surgeries and knee surgeries and stuff lately. So he's still getting back into the swing of things.

but yeah it's all that's been something that him and I have always shared and so I'm very fortunate that with our business with the wine business it goes directly into golf because you know we sponsor a lot of golf tournaments through the winery throughout the area and all that and so it's been and we always play in them that's always the thing I get we'll sponsor it but you got to save us a foursome right there our team together and we've won a few we've lost several but it's always a good time no matter what. And so that's been really fun as being able to incorporate the wine business with golf, which obviously is two passions that we can make into one. And as far as like making golf content now, I started that probably back in August, or it was back in August because I was asked by a friend of mine who was very much in the golf space, Ryan Winther, he's a 2012 World Long Drive champ. and set at least four different world records and is about to set his fifth.

And he has a show on NBC Sports called Driven. And he, his old executive producer wasn't able to do the show anymore. You know, he had another kid and his personal business was booming and just unfortunately didn't have time for it because it's a golf. There's a lot of travel involved. It's a golf travel show. Right. And so Ryan, we went golfing and he's like, hey,

you know, Charlie's not able to do this anymore. Are you, you know, would you want to do this? And I've been part of the show before. We've been sponsoring the show for the last several years, which is how we actually got connected with Ryan in first place. And actually, funny enough, our very first meeting was at the driving range at the vineyard. Charlie brought him over. And it was funny because I, we're on a three-way call and Charlie's talk, you know,

we're all talking to each other. And he's trying to, you know, set a time for him to come out. And I was joking with him. I was like, yeah, you know, the neighbor's house is like, 600. yards away. Is that going to be okay? And he was like actually taking time to think and see if that was just like, this is real? Oh my gosh, dude. That's crazy. The thought of even hitting a golf ball that far, I wouldn't even fathom how that would even feel. It's just, that's insanity to me. Yeah, it's insane. I mean, I hit the ball, I hit the ball pretty far. And I've outdriven him on a few

occasions, which I'm pretty happy to say. It's not like he duffed it and then I hit it past him. But, I got to my ball. He's like, oh, wow, all right. I'm like, yeah, I remember this time we're playing this tournament. And, you know, I go, I tee off. I hit a, I just bomb it. Great shot. And everybody at the tee box, you know, with their sponsors and stuff.

And they're like, oh, wow. Like, they're all about me for about 10 seconds. Then Ryan goes and takes a practice swing. And it sounds like a helicopter is going on. And everybody forgot about me the whole time. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, I have nothing else to contribute. I can't tip or put.

Exactly. I'm going to try to hit the long drive, but I'm going against another long driver, so it's pretty irrelevant at this point. That's cool. And so now you've got the golf show that you're producing, right? You're doing your own YouTube content. What like, where do you see that world of,

for you specifically of golf content going, you know, outside of, you know, you're doing a little bit of producing, you're doing your YouTube channel, but like where do you see yourself taking that? That's a really good question. You know, we haven't been doing it very long, so we're still kind of figuring out what our direction is. My goal would just be, like, I love connecting with people. So being able to, whether it has, you know, gets a bunch of subscribers or whatever, I really, I honestly don't care about that.

It's almost just a reason to have people out. Let's go to the course and let's just go have some fun. Let's record it. Record our conversations. Exactly. We get into some stuff. Great. If we don't, great too.

We're out here having a good time. So it was almost an excuse to just. get together with people. And, you know, when we first did it, I'm like, hey, we already, I already have, like, I have a production company as well. And I work with some, you know, I'm co-owners with all this stuff, which is awesome because I wouldn't be able to do it by myself. Of course, yeah.

I work with some really talented and incredible people that are able to pick up my faults and vice versa. So we all work really well together. So it's actually my videographer was like, hey, why don't you you know you're so much in the golf space and he's always been coming out and recording content for the winery at these golf tournaments like getting us playing and stuff like that and put together some pretty cool videos and just for marketing purposes and he's like why don't we just like create content golf content for you you're entertaining you know how to talk to people and you do

some cool shit so might as well record it like we're already here let's just go repurpose it exactly sure let's let's try it out and uh and so far there's reception's been really great that's awesome that's awesome and you're great you're in a great spot considering like you know the golf courses out there are beautiful they're abundant you know there's there's a ton going on we're actually gonna be up at a pebble in a couple weeks for the program okay yeah so I'm excited it's my first time other going up to Northern Cali first time at Pebble so you know obviously that's a bucket list course to even just visit and step on the ground so

I'm high for that I've been fortunate enough to to play Pebble three times. Wow. And I didn't have to pay for any of it. Oh, my God. That's even better. It's like, I would pay. You know, just for that.

It would be there. I was invited guests and like, yeah, it was. So if you, the, the par six, right before the historic par seven, this is like my claim to fame in golf because I'm not, you know, I'm a very average golfer. Like, I broke 80 for the first time this last year, and that's because I practiced golf for the show because I'm like,

I can't play bad on TV. Exactly. at least not embarrass myself. But that part or that whole number six, it's part five. Is it a part five? Regardless. I've birdied it two out of the three times. Very happy about that.

That's pretty damn good. I mean, I got to assume those greens are crazy fast, everything there is narrow. I mean, a lot of tree lines that you got to hit the ball through. So I'm sure that's not an easy birdie. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's awesome. But what I will add, well, I will add to hole number seven,

I've shanked it into the water every time. So it kind of nullifies the birdies on the previous holes. What would you say are your top courses that you've played up? Man, I mean, Pebble, obviously, that's like, that's just the best. But my actual favorite, I've played Spyglass as well. I think that one, for me, if you were to take kind of the history out of Pebble, spy glass would be it for me because it's like, I mean, you have the, you're seeing the ocean and all that stuff, but you're also like in the forest. Right. So it's such a unique, uh, that, to me,

that's just beauty. I love seeing the contrast in that. Me too. Yeah. That, um, man, uh, uh, where else do I play? That was really great. Uh, Yotidae that we have up here northern California up past woodland. I mean, it's just, it's a top-notch course. It's basically in the middle of nowhere surrounded by some hills. And it's an Indian casino. And they just, they just do a great job. I mean, it's one of the best, it's the best course in our area. It's about a, maybe an hour drive for me and it's worth every hour just because it's, you get there, you're in the middle of nowhere. You're like, where the, you kind of go through this like little podunk town? You're like, where the hell am I?

Yeah. You turn the corner and you see the resort and then you drive past the resort and then you're just overlooking This valley and it's just a pristine course. It's always pristine always in good Condition and it's just it's just a heck of a lot of fun and the customer service like it's they gave you like a scented like mango wet towel after the round Those little things just go so go so far it does it does it reminds me I we played a wickapaw in Arizona in Scottsdale and that's the same thing It's on a casino ground. You know, they got a big-ass casino there. They got the hotel resort.

And then you're in the middle of the desert. Like just straight desert. There's catthi everywhere. It's dry, dry, dry. You've got the Scottsdale mountains kind of, you know, surrounding the course. So the views are incredible. But the coolest thing to me on that course was like, obviously, you know, like Looney Tunes, like the Roadrunner and the coyote.

There's roadrunners and coyotes chasing each other on the golf course. That's a problem. I'm playing in a Looney Tunes at the show. right now. Little roadrunners, they're like this big, they got the long tail, and you got the coyotes just literally walking around the courts. They don't do anything to you. They don't even get close to you, but there's one there, like 20 yards away from you and you just see it kind of like walking around and then you see the roadrunner kind of spreading away from it. So those experiences are sick, right? I mean, I play a lot of golf in South Florida. Obviously Florida is a big, you know, golf hub. But at the end of the day, like the courses are beautiful, but they're pretty, they're pretty, you know, traditional is not the word and I don't want to use the word basic because they're not basic obviously there's a lot that goes into those courses but when you look at like the scenery that comes with like a course like you were mentioning and you got all the big trees and you got the water and all these different things like in florida we don't really have of them the quality of the

courses and the abundance of courses is definitely out there but and then obviously you have the weather that comes into a factor two where you can play all year long which it's huge too But, you know, one of the coolest courses I would say that I ever played was, was Mount Alani in Hawaii and Kona Big Island. And that was crazy. Like, you're talking about massive cliffs along, you know, a stretch of poles there, the coastline right there into the wide open, wide open ocean. And then every fairway, basically, it's not like the OB is not really OB.

It's lava rock. stacked up on top of each other all along the side of the fairway. So you're like, well, I get to see my ball, but there's no way I'm getting that. We're hitting that ball. So if you don't hit in the fairway, you're kind of screwed there. But the views are impeccable. Obviously, you've got the palm trees and just like that whole environment is incredible. And I think that's like one of the coolest things about golf is like that travel component

and being able to go to these different places and just experience the environments that all these courses have to offer because, I mean, dude, there's so many cool courses out there. There are. Yeah, absolutely. And you just reminded me what I don't know how I forgot it. Poipu Bay in Kauai. Oh, wow. That's my number number two favorite course. Yeah, the courses out there are unreal. Yeah, I mean, you had the, what was it, Sony Open and what's the one before Sony Open?

I forget the name. It's the first turn of century, the century tournament. But those views are, like, at Century or unreal. You got like this, you got the mountains behind it. You got the ocean, like the up and down kind of a course feel to it. Like that to me is like, you know, those are one of one experiences. Like you're only going to experience that at a location like that. The more you talk before I'm realizing how many courses I left out and that's a disservice.

Yeah, I know. No, you don't really think about it. But why do you always stick out to me though because like strictly because of the Lover Rock component to it like like that's something you don't see anywhere but yeah I mean there's so many courses like I play now that I'm traveling more I'm actually like bringing my clubs places and making it like an effort to go wherever I go just because it's like you don't know when you'll be back there and you know you have an opportunity you're there to just schedule a couple hours even if you get to play nine holes on that course I think it's it's worth it absolutely have you ever

well when you come out to California Whether it's this trip or another trip that you come out, and when you come and visit us, I'll either take you, let's go to Yotah Dehi, or another one that I forgot, which is only about an hour and a half, two hours away from where we're at is Edgewood. Okay. Where they have the American country. Ah, okay. Yeah, yeah. That course is unreal. There's a, there's a curse by the, by the hotel we're staying at that we're probably going to play.

I forget the name of it. I'll text it to you and I'll let you know what it is. But yeah, no, that area is full of badass courses. So we definitely got to plan a trip out there, do the winery, play some golf, do some content, and just have a good time. Yeah, man. Cool. All right.

So before we kind of wrap it up here, I like to do kind of like a rapid fire question. Sure. Just, you know, quick question, quick answer. And then we'll wrap it up. So it's a question that everyone loves to ask, but who's your dream for some one out on the course. It's a good question. This is supposed to be rapid.

Rapid in the fact that, you know, I ask me a question and you just answer it. Okay. Honestly, because my dad and I have that connection, it'd just be, you know, me and him. And then by the, yeah, I do it for the social side. Is this for a social side or is this for,

we're trying to win a tournament or something? I don't have a different person. That's a bad. I would say more for like just the overall experience, not necessarily. Yeah. Win or lose. Me, my dad, man, and I don't want to leave. I have so many close friends that would fit in there, so I don't want to get too specific.

But definitely my dad will be in there. And then I'd fill it with whoever could be available out of my friend group there. I would want to come play. Yeah, it's awesome. It's a common thing when you, you know, When you ask these people, you expect like the celebrities or, you know, athletes or, you know, those type of people. And it's always, it always comes down to, like, family and friends. Like, that's, like, that's really what it is.

It's like, what better experience are you going to have them with the people that, you know, you care about most? Like, we have gone a couple weeks ago. And he was like, yeah, he's playing the master's for the first time. And he was like, you know, I could say tiger. I could say these guys. He's like, I see those guys. And, like, I'm inspired by them. But you know my dream for some is my dad my brother and my you know putting him all like his cousin and he's like that's family like I want to be able to like play the masters and have them like be on the course with me you know

Because there's there's just like a certain magic that comes with that But all right next question of all the wines that you guys have what would you say is your is your favorite My favorite I'm trying to see if I have a bottle of so I can actually show it. Well, I must have drinking it already. So it's our cab reserve. And so this one's a little bit different than our, like, another one of our cabs. But you see, it's the white label.

That's just like our regular stuff. This was actually a label that I designed for the reserve collection. Just kind of inverted. it with black and white for the nice black label. And so the difference between that and our normal cab is this was age a whole year longer than our other cap. Nice. Same harvest.

But so we do two years in French oak barrels in the regular one. This was three years. So it definitely has a little bit different flavor profile. It's super smooth. It kind of floats on your tongue. And it's a whole other experience. And that one's definitely my favorite. I love a good cat.

Can people purchase your wine online? Like if they went to it? Absolutely. How does that work? Okay. Yeah. Atkinsfamilyvenyards.com. There's a handful of states that we can't do just because of liquor laws and stuff.

Right. But Florida, we can definitely ship to and most of the United States. So. I'm going to have to cop some for sure. I'll send you some. All right. Last question. I always love to finish the pod with is what does it mean to you to stay tranquilo?

For me, It is just being, not taking anything too serious. You know, there's, you can kind of get wrapped up in things, especially when you're doing a lot of things. And some things kind of seem like they're the end of the world, but reminding yourself like, this is, like, you're good. You don't really need to worry too much about this. You know, you're kind of exactly where you're supposed to be. and with the lows, you enjoy the highs, that much more. So for me, it's that.

And then for me, hanging out with my wife. I love hanging out with my wife. That's awesome. And she makes me feel like I can just be myself. And I'm, that's the, I can't do the pronunciation. Tranquillo. That was okay, right? I saw it.

Okay. Yeah, that's a good answer. Because, you know, a lot of the inspiration came from like Bob Marley, don't worry, be happy, you know, like that mentality. It's, we do, we do kind of get worked up over a lot of these little things and realize like everything that happens is temporary. You know, you know, we can, we can power through and a lot of these moments make us stronger and they make us better.

But it's really about like staying even keel and like staying calm through the chaos and even through the good times and the bad time. So love that answer and love the fact that your wife is a part of that. Yeah, absolutely. Hell yeah. Well, appreciate it, brother. That was fun. I enjoy the hell out of it. Definitely, I'm going to go check out the winery. And if you listen to this, definitely check out the winery as well. Cop some wine online. If you can't make it out there, at least give it a try. And hopefully some cool golf content and wine content coming soon with that Jake here. And watch the Driven Golf Show on NBC Sports. It'll be, We'll be airing season seven, end of March.

Hell yeah. I'll be tuning in. That'll be on NBC Sports. I'm assuming you get that, like, on Peacock, too, and all that? That's a good question. I'll have to ask Ryan about that and see exactly if it's on streaming services. Well, definitely, after we air the episode, we put it on YouTube and all that stuff. Oh, okay.

Sick. Cool. All right, really. Well, appreciate the time, and we'll do something soon. All right. Sounds good, man. Look forward to work.