Stop Podcasting Yourself - Episode 66 - Kliph Nesteroff
Episode Date: June 5, 2009Podcaster, ex-comedian, and Archie expert, Kliph Nesteroff joins us to talk college radio, Archie comics, and roofing techniques....
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                                         Hi, he's Dave Shumka.
                                         
                                         And he's Graham Clark.
                                         
                                         And together we host Stop Podcasting Yourself.
                                         
                                         Woo!
                                         
                                         Hello, everybody, and welcome to episode number 66 of Stop Podcasting Yourself.
                                         
                                         My name is Graham Clark and with me is the man who plans on writing a musical based on the life of Judith Light, Mr. Dave Shumka.
                                         
                                         Yeah, it's going to be called...
                                         
                                         The Lighter Side of Life?
                                         
    
                                         What was the first line of Who's the Boss's theme song?
                                         
                                         Show me.
                                         
                                         No, that's growing pains.
                                         
                                         Show me that smile.
                                         
                                         I've been down a...
                                         
                                         Million roads.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
    
                                         We can start this podcast again.
                                         
                                         No, we can't.
                                         
                                         No, we can't.
                                         
                                         We must plow forward.
                                         
                                         And today's guest is... You didn't get the name of the musical out at all. No, no can't. No, we can't. We must plow forward. And today's guest is...
                                         
                                         You didn't get the name of the musical out at all.
                                         
                                         No, no, no.
                                         
                                         Yeah, that was what it was going to be.
                                         
    
                                         It was going to be the first line of...
                                         
                                         Oh, maybe let's just call it There Were Times.
                                         
                                         I Lost a Dream or Two.
                                         
                                         All right.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         And joining us today, our guest, a very funny man,
                                         
                                         previously was a comedian, now in charge of the sometimes
                                         
                                         comedy, sometimes not comedy, but very clip-heavy show, podcast, Generation Exploitation.
                                         
    
                                         But you were saying that there's also, it's called Laugh Tracks when it's on CITR, but
                                         
                                         not really, but sort of.
                                         
                                         Well, I took over from last week's guest, Paul Breaux.
                                         
                                         Right.
                                         
                                         And his show was called Laugh Tracks, and I didn't want to jar anybody.
                                         
                                         With an X?
                                         
                                         Like Laugh Tracks.
                                         
                                         No, actually, no.
                                         
    
                                         Laugh with two Fs?
                                         
                                         No, none of that.
                                         
                                         It wasn't like a comedy club name, but it is one word.
                                         
                                         Laugh Tracks.
                                         
                                         May I say I am honored to be on the show now that you've run out of guests.
                                         
                                         I like the fact that I am on after the shows in which you had no guests first.
                                         
                                         And now have reverted to this.
                                         
                                         We usually tape it either on Thursday or Saturday.
                                         
    
                                         So your schedule.
                                         
                                         That's true.
                                         
                                         This special Monday taping is very out of the ordinary.
                                         
                                         I feel like I'm losing my mind.
                                         
                                         I'm so tired.
                                         
                                         This Monday has been a little bit like a Monday
                                         
                                         TGI whatever
                                         
                                         TGI lasagna
                                         
    
                                         Did we even say his name?
                                         
                                         Yeah, oh it's Cliff Nesteroff
                                         
                                         I didn't say his name
                                         
                                         I think his name is Lap Trax
                                         
                                         Should we get to know us?
                                         
                                         Why not?
                                         
                                         Okay
                                         
                                         Get to know us So Cliff,? Okay. Get to know us.
                                         
    
                                         So, Cliff, what's going on?
                                         
                                         You work.
                                         
                                         Yeah, let's not talk about work, but...
                                         
                                         Yeah, let's unwind.
                                         
                                         Yeah, let's unwind.
                                         
                                         That's right.
                                         
                                         It's Friday, guys.
                                         
                                         Cliff officiates cockfights.
                                         
    
                                         That's his day job.
                                         
                                         I do.
                                         
                                         And you know what?
                                         
                                         Very few times do I need to blow the whistle.
                                         
                                         Yeah, exactly.
                                         
                                         There are no rules.
                                         
                                         The only rule is have fun.
                                         
                                         The first rule, there are no rules. Second rule, no outside drinks.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Or food.
                                         
                                         So you're going, next week you're going to the Campus Radio Conference held in Montreal.
                                         
                                         National Campus Radio Conference, which would not be held in Montreal if the 91 referendum had gone the other way.
                                         
                                         That's right.
                                         
                                         Well, there were no ground rules.
                                         
                                         Like 50% plus one didn't necessarily mean secession.
                                         
                                         I read a survey on the front page of the Globe and Mail or something like three, four years ago.
                                         
    
                                         And the survey was, do you support having another referendum on quebec separatism and it was 51
                                         
                                         no 49 yes wow actual results the um there was a survey that was done over the weekend in the paper
                                         
                                         that said uh what a politician would you rather have over for dinner, Stephen Harper or Michael Ignatieff?
                                         
                                         And the number one answer across the board was neither.
                                         
                                         Ouch.
                                         
                                         I'd rather just have dinner by myself, thanks.
                                         
                                         Neither of those would be very good dinner guests.
                                         
                                         No, no.
                                         
    
                                         For our American listeners, Stephen Harper is our prime minister.
                                         
                                         Michael Ignatieff is our next prime minister, basically.
                                         
                                         They know.
                                         
                                         They know.
                                         
                                         Stephen Harper is a Fox News regular.
                                         
                                         And Michael Ignatieff used to be a Charlie Rose regular.
                                         
                                         I thought you were going to say Stephen Harper is a fox-eyed gentleman.
                                         
                                         But his eyes are kind of like a wolf eyes.
                                         
    
                                         I always think of his eyes as kind of like shark eyes.
                                         
                                         Okay.
                                         
                                         Kind of black
                                         
                                         soulless um and cunning they're all they're both cunning guys those two um but neither a good
                                         
                                         dinner guest is what i learned yeah would you rather have a shark or whatever michael ignatieff
                                         
                                         is oh michael ignatieff what kind of animal is he? Something with big eyebrows. Sam the Eagle.
                                         
                                         Peter Gallagher. Do you mean literally having a shark?
                                         
                                         For dinner?
                                         
    
                                         Oh, for dinner.
                                         
                                         Oh, you mean as the dinner?
                                         
                                         Or as a guest?
                                         
                                         I thought you meant as the guest.
                                         
                                         As the guest, you'd probably want whatever has the nice eyebrows.
                                         
                                         What would be the Michael Ignatieff equivalent animal-wise?
                                         
                                         Anything but a shark.
                                         
                                         He's really dark.
                                         
    
                                         He's got like dark, bushy eyebrows, like a buffalo.
                                         
                                         I don't know.
                                         
                                         A raccoon's mask is not Phil Hanley.
                                         
                                         Eyebrows.
                                         
                                         He does look like previous podcast guest Phil Hanley,
                                         
                                         especially when you see old, like young footage.
                                         
                                         I've only got like a five o'clock shadow.
                                         
                                         Of Phil Hanley?
                                         
    
                                         Of Michael Ignatieff. If you have young footage of him when he's got like a five o'clock shadow of phil hanley of michael ignatius
                                         
                                         if you have young footage of michael ignatius and present day baby footage of phil hanley phil
                                         
                                         hanley or a shark i'll take phil hanley i'll take both yeah he's a real sweet guy he is yeah over
                                         
                                         yeah absolutely he is so i think i'm the only person who's ever heard
                                         
                                         phil hanley bad mouth another comedian oh really you don't have to say who because this goes out
                                         
                                         over the internet but it's not a comedian from vancouver anyways okay all right but it was at
                                         
                                         the back uh backs of yuck yucks during the comedy fest and uh phil hanley leaned into my ear and
                                         
                                         this is not something you hear out of his mouth very often, but he said, boy, this guy really sucks.
                                         
    
                                         It was a great moment.
                                         
                                         Wow.
                                         
                                         Well, so tell me...
                                         
                                         Getting to know.
                                         
                                         Yeah, what's...
                                         
                                         Like, what goes on at a public...
                                         
                                         Or not public radio, so a campus radio conference?
                                         
                                         Oh, it just smells like old pizza.
                                         
    
                                         Is it just held in the hotel room?
                                         
                                         In a dorm room.
                                         
                                         There's a Pulp Fiction
                                         
                                         poster on the wall.
                                         
                                         There is a bunch of dated
                                         
                                         ephemera on the walls.
                                         
                                         The poster that has
                                         
                                         all the beers on it, what I really learned in college.
                                         
    
                                         Geology,
                                         
                                         Rolling Rock.
                                         
                                         It's a weird combination of like inept
                                         
                                         college students with radio shows and then like inept former college students who still have
                                         
                                         their radio shows and they show up for the conference too no no no what the ones that
                                         
                                         are the this conference i think is mostly for the heads of each station to go to and then other general people.
                                         
                                         And when it was in Vancouver, I went to it because it was in Vancouver.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
    
                                         And I think the main reason I went is because they wanted me to host the banquet.
                                         
                                         So I went to that.
                                         
                                         And then all throughout the week, they have evening events,
                                         
                                         like parties and shindigs.
                                         
                                         The banquet.
                                         
                                         Are we talking mac and cheese?
                                         
                                         Independent music.
                                         
                                         Mac and cheese.
                                         
    
                                         No, I can't remember.
                                         
                                         I was on stage for most of it.
                                         
                                         No, they have two full free balls of wine for each seat.
                                         
                                         Oh, wow.
                                         
                                         And I think I did a half hour off the top to warm things up.
                                         
                                         And by the time I got a break to go eat, there was no food left.
                                         
                                         Oh, yeah.
                                         
                                         Everyone had filled their Tupperware.
                                         
    
                                         There was no what yeah there was no
                                         
                                         uh booze left and some i went back up on stage after the next person went up and uh so somebody
                                         
                                         actually gave me like their glass of booze as they felt bad but uh wow yeah you know it's not
                                         
                                         that exciting the people are really cool and really
                                         
                                         fun and uh it's the good the good people from campus radio who have like uh competent shows
                                         
                                         right right who are amusing and funny and interesting and uh not the uh not the majority
                                         
                                         of 95 of public and campus and community radio which is yeah not the guys who are like hey
                                         
                                         we're gonna play a solid 40-minute block
                                         
    
                                         of back-to-back.
                                         
                                         You're going to play a whole CD while I go and get high,
                                         
                                         and then the last track's going to skip.
                                         
                                         It seems like most campus radio, college radio,
                                         
                                         I guess that's the same thing.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Community radio, it's all reggae.
                                         
                                         Almost all of it.
                                         
    
                                         You turn it on, and it's reggae.
                                         
                                         The weekends, I find, are all world music.
                                         
                                         Like, you can only find rock and hip-hop.
                                         
                                         Is this CITR or co-op that you're talking about?
                                         
                                         Either, yeah.
                                         
                                         Yeah, that's true.
                                         
                                         Is reggae world music?
                                         
                                         Does that count?
                                         
    
                                         Sure.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Anything you would see on Clip Trip.
                                         
                                         Clip Trip.
                                         
                                         Watch music, Clip Trip. Yeah. on um clip trip clip chip much music clip chip yeah i uh i remember like when i i was i was
                                         
                                         borrowing jane stanton's car and i could only get certain radio stations so i was listening to the
                                         
                                         co-op radio and it was on like a particular like an hour long trip and the only thing that they
                                         
                                         were playing were minutes from like a city council meeting and then they had somebody in analyzing the minute but i i feel
                                         
    
                                         like they didn't like it pre-recorded it in a cafeteria analyzing the minute yeah yeah like so
                                         
                                         it was uh like the minutiae of the minute yes minute minutiae was actually the show
                                         
                                         but it was the the person would read the minutes from last week's meeting and then that would cut
                                         
                                         to this guy that sounded like it was recording
                                         
                                         in a very kind of like hall.
                                         
                                         There's no insulation at all.
                                         
                                         And he would interpret what all the minutes,
                                         
                                         who it was he was speaking and who was, you know,
                                         
    
                                         what it was all about.
                                         
                                         An hour of that.
                                         
                                         Wow.
                                         
                                         The only break from it was when they put in a cart
                                         
                                         that had promised break a show coming up next.
                                         
                                         Yeah, it's horrible uh most of it i mean uh why is that though because in because anybody can have a show
                                         
                                         anybody but that seems like at least then you would kind of get kind of the
                                         
                                         like the freak show element like you would get some guy who's just gonna play
                                         
    
                                         his own music well you get a little
                                         
                                         you get a little bit of that like you get a combination of crazy cool and then crazy crazy
                                         
                                         yeah like you get the crazy cool guy who shows up wearing suspenders he's 90 and he only plays 78s
                                         
                                         from 1923 because after 1923 1924 that's that's when all went downhill. Yeah, exactly.
                                         
                                         When Calloway went electric.
                                         
                                         And then you get 14 guys that play reggae.
                                         
                                         And then you've got...
                                         
                                         Actually, at CITR, the only really successful show they ever had,
                                         
    
                                         which is not anymore,
                                         
                                         was this woman, I'm trying to remember her name.
                                         
                                         She had a right-wing call-in show on CITL. Oh, wow.
                                         
                                         And as we know, if you purport those political views,
                                         
                                         you will be successful, at least in American radio.
                                         
                                         Anybody who is to the right.
                                         
                                         It doesn't matter if you're nobody
                                         
                                         or if you're an established celebrity even better,
                                         
    
                                         like Dennis Miller or Jackie Mason.
                                         
                                         Because people love to listen to you and they love to hate you.
                                         
                                         And they phone in and they say racist things and whatever so this
                                         
                                         uh woman decided to do that on citr which is a station that nobody really gets like the reception
                                         
                                         doesn't come in but this show took off and people were phoning in and saying you know racist things
                                         
                                         she became a big hit she got hired away from citr by the National Post and away from the National Post to Fox News,
                                         
                                         where she is a sometimes correspondent for Bill O'Reilly.
                                         
                                         Wow.
                                         
    
                                         And she's a graduate from the UBC campus radio station.
                                         
                                         I'm doing that from now on.
                                         
                                         I've had it.
                                         
                                         I've had it with these little town blues.
                                         
                                         Starting now.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         You know what we've got to do with these?
                                         
                                         You've got to bring your TV show further to the right. Yeah. That's what I've got to do with these... You've got to bring your TV show further to the right.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         You can be lured away to the glamour of AM call-in radio in the States.
                                         
                                         That's a really good...
                                         
                                         Wasn't...
                                         
                                         Nardwar's show was on CIT, wasn't it?
                                         
                                         Yes, it still is, yeah.
                                         
                                         That's somewhat successful, isn't it?
                                         
                                         That's somewhat successful, but he's not on...
                                         
    
                                         He's not a newspaper columnist yet. That's true. He's not on you know he's not a newspaper uh columnist
                                         
                                         yet it's true he's not on fox he's got a lot of irons and different fires on the much music yeah
                                         
                                         yeah yeah but like uh he's also been doing it now for 24 years no yeah wow since 1985 but this uh
                                         
                                         this woman rachel marsden i want to say that sounds like that does sound like a person i don't know i think it's i think that's her name rachel marsden uh she had been she did her show for like six months
                                         
                                         and then she was on bill o'reilly and it wasn't like she had been like
                                         
                                         well as far as i know submitting tapes and whatever so she would go on it'd be a thursday
                                         
                                         night or whatever and she'd be like immigrants exactly how do we get rid of them? And the phones just light up.
                                         
                                         Exactly.
                                         
    
                                         Immigrants.
                                         
                                         We got to build a wall in front of China.
                                         
                                         Welfare.
                                         
                                         Let's get rid of it.
                                         
                                         Oh, the phones have lit up.
                                         
                                         And refuse to play the reggae ad in the middle of the show.
                                         
                                         Refuse to.
                                         
                                         No, you know what she would do?
                                         
    
                                         She would play the first half of the reggae ad, then play a record scratch.
                                         
                                         Immigrants.
                                         
                                         Thumbs light up during the commercial break.
                                         
                                         Spicy food.
                                         
                                         I can't stand it.
                                         
                                         Exactly.
                                         
                                         Wow.
                                         
                                         So, yeah, that's good.
                                         
    
                                         Well, it should be interesting.
                                         
                                         Now, in addition to your radio podcast endeavors, you also write a blog, generationexploitation.blogspot.com.
                                         
                                         That is one that I have not updated in two years.
                                         
                                         Oh, wow.
                                         
                                         But because the last post was so successful, I just don't want to see it disappear from the main page or anything
                                         
                                         even try to compete with it so i left it be okay but i do repost it every now and then without
                                         
                                         changing it so that the date on top of it is fresh ah um smart well the gen i got i have another blog
                                         
                                         that i update more often okay but the one that i don't know what generation exploitation if that's
                                         
    
                                         the one you read or looked at yeah the exploitation if that's the one you read or looked
                                         
                                         at yeah the main post that's on there right now is a history of christian archie comics yeah spire
                                         
                                         christian archie comics for big in the 70s and it's a history of and that article i wrote it
                                         
                                         and posted it to the you know like most blogs a blog that nobody reads or cares about except for
                                         
                                         the person that writes it but i didn't
                                         
                                         write about sandwiches or my cats or anything like that but anyways tell us about your cat i have none
                                         
                                         okay tell us about your it was a short blog post there was no photos um but uh anyways i wrote that
                                         
                                         article history of christian archie comics and then i got an email which at first i thought was
                                         
    
                                         from sean proudlove posing as somebody
                                         
                                         else but it wasn't it was from a editor at vanity fair magazine and uh asking if uh he could phone
                                         
                                         me to interview me for an article in vanity fair wow and i said and i said yes sean this is my
                                         
                                         phone number and uh the guy phoned a couple days later and uh he was the guy from
                                         
                                         vanity fair and they were doing a thing about archie comics and they interviewed me as an
                                         
                                         archie comic expert which i was blown away because i didn't uh consider myself but he probably what
                                         
                                         did he probably google like archie comics plus expert or something and like me or something i
                                         
                                         think christian because they did devote part of it to that
                                         
    
                                         and that's where my contributions and quotes came in.
                                         
                                         You're really out there.
                                         
                                         We should post a link to it
                                         
                                         because it really is a fascinating aspect of the Archie Riverdale universe.
                                         
                                         Archie diaspora.
                                         
                                         The Riverdale universe.
                                         
                                         Archie diaspora.
                                         
                                         But the reason I bring that up is as an Archie comic expert,
                                         
    
                                         what are your thoughts on Archie?
                                         
                                         The marriage?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         I knew before what he was going to.
                                         
                                         You knew it was coming down the pike.
                                         
                                         Why was it like pulling teeth?
                                         
                                         I just had deja vu right there.
                                         
                                         Well, this is what I don't know yet.
                                         
    
                                         It hasn't been leaked to the internet like Wolverine 3 or whatever it is.
                                         
                                         X-Men 4.
                                         
                                         X-Men, yeah.
                                         
                                         I'm hoping it will be. It's a Zoolander.
                                         
                                         But I am not sure yet if the storyline is going to be drawn,
                                         
                                         I am not sure yet if the storyline is going to be drawn, the recent phenomena in Archie Comics of making Betty and Veronica look ho-like and realistic.
                                         
                                         Yeah, the new faux realism style.
                                         
                                         What's your take on that?
                                         
    
                                         You know, I have the original faux realism Archie comic, and years before it came out,
                                         
                                         in 1990, NBC, the national broadcasting corporation company cult
                                         
                                         um put out a made for tv crotch crunch do you remember do you remember this they put out a
                                         
                                         made for tv movie yeah i do very well back to riverdale and back again, we've talked. Starring Christopher Rich as Archie.
                                         
                                         Christopher Rich of Reba fame.
                                         
                                         Right, right.
                                         
                                         I always get him confused with the guy who played Shooter McGavin in Happy Gilmore.
                                         
                                         Oh, yeah.
                                         
    
                                         I'm misguided.
                                         
                                         He's not the same guy?
                                         
                                         Mm-mm.
                                         
                                         He was also in the George Carlin show sitcom that was on Fox.
                                         
                                         Remember that? What happened with that was on Fox. Remember that?
                                         
                                         What happened with that sitcom?
                                         
                                         What do you think?
                                         
                                         It was on Fox in like 1991.
                                         
    
                                         I kind of enjoyed it.
                                         
                                         Am I wrong?
                                         
                                         Are my memories betraying me on that?
                                         
                                         No, you were 10.
                                         
                                         That's true.
                                         
                                         You enjoyed that.
                                         
                                         He was a recovering alcoholic.
                                         
                                         He was a cab driver.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                         But he was a recovering alcoholic.
                                         
                                         Was he? Well, he went to that bar. It was an Irish bar and he wouldn't recovering alcoholic. He was a cab driver. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he was a recovering alcoholic. Was he?
                                         
                                         Well, he went to that bar.
                                         
                                         It was an Irish bar
                                         
                                         and he wouldn't drink there.
                                         
                                         It had the fat guy
                                         
                                         from Wayne's World
                                         
    
                                         was on the stool there.
                                         
                                         It was like the George Wendt
                                         
                                         lookalike with a mustache.
                                         
                                         I wonder,
                                         
                                         maybe I'm thinking
                                         
                                         of the John Larroquette show
                                         
                                         where he worked
                                         
                                         in a bus station.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, John Larroquette
                                         
                                         is the recovering alcoholic.
                                         
                                         Oh man,
                                         
                                         remember that show?
                                         
                                         That was horrible.
                                         
                                         That wasn't too bad.
                                         
                                         Do you guys remember?
                                         
                                         Okay, here's the thing about that show.
                                         
    
                                         I remember it very distinctly.
                                         
                                         It's Marky Post getting her own show.
                                         
                                         The John Larroquette show, the first season was this, like,
                                         
                                         it was like a sitcom, but it was really gritty.
                                         
                                         Like, he was a recovering alcoholic, and he'd lost everything,
                                         
                                         and he had to manage his bus station.
                                         
                                         But then the next season, things had kind of brightened up a lot.
                                         
                                         They didn't talk about his alcohol problem at all anymore.
                                         
    
                                         They introduced a couple more wacky characters.
                                         
                                         And I think there was a drunk or heroin addict character
                                         
                                         on the show that vanished and was replaced.
                                         
                                         Well, it's just like real life then.
                                         
                                         I love that there was a time
                                         
                                         when you could have a gritty sitcom, but still have a laugh track.
                                         
                                         Still have a laugh track.
                                         
                                         Barney Miller was pretty gritty.
                                         
    
                                         Come on, grab.
                                         
                                         Yeah, yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                         No, it's true.
                                         
                                         That was, there was a lot.
                                         
                                         Like, I mean, I don't know.
                                         
                                         All in the Family was pretty gritty.
                                         
                                         Yeah, 70s were just a gritty decade.
                                         
                                         I wasn't alive, but I'm...
                                         
    
                                         It was a gritty decade.
                                         
                                         Appears gritty. Sesame Street's fucking gritty. Yeah. Anything New York based was pretty gritty. Yeah, the 70s were just a gritty decade. I wasn't alive, but I'm... It was a gritty decade. It appears gritty.
                                         
                                         Sesame Street's fucking gritty.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Anything New York-based was pretty gritty.
                                         
                                         Taxi.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         The epicenter of grit.
                                         
    
                                         Isn't true grit set in New York?
                                         
                                         That's why you had an eye patch, man.
                                         
                                         Remember when Big Bird dressed up as Serpico?
                                         
                                         It's infiltrate.
                                         
                                         So, yeah, what do you think about... Back to Riverdale riverdale yeah yeah and back again or to riverdale and back again christopher rich was archie uh one
                                         
                                         time snl cast member gary kroger was reggie and by one time you mean like one episode
                                         
                                         he had a walk-on he He's no Tim Kazerinsky.
                                         
                                         One time Jim Carrey's spouse, Lauren Hawley, was Betty.
                                         
    
                                         Right.
                                         
                                         That's right.
                                         
                                         One time, woman that used to be in deodorant commercials,
                                         
                                         whose name I can't remember, was Veronica.
                                         
                                         Sure.
                                         
                                         And some woman...
                                         
                                         Sweet Pits.
                                         
                                         Who was like 1990 version of what's considered hot was Big Ethel.
                                         
    
                                         She had grown up to become sexy.
                                         
                                         And there's a scene where Sam Whipple,
                                         
                                         who played the makeup artist on the Larry Sanders show,
                                         
                                         was Jughead
                                         
                                         and he's balding and he goes over to
                                         
                                         Big Ethel's for some reason and she opens the door and she's in a bikini
                                         
                                         and invites him to the hot tub.
                                         
                                         And Jughead has a son.
                                         
    
                                         They have sex in that hot tub, right?
                                         
                                         With his son.
                                         
                                         Full penetration.
                                         
                                         Moose is watching. Full penetration. Moose is watching.
                                         
                                         It's full penetration.
                                         
                                         It was a shocking TV special.
                                         
                                         In Riverdale and out again.
                                         
                                         But there was...
                                         
    
                                         Anyways, they went to Mr. Weatherby's funeral.
                                         
                                         Where did you find it recently enough to have...
                                         
                                         No, I have vivid memories because I did not have have nbc as a child we had abc
                                         
                                         cbc and ctv we had ctv when there were storms not when their weather was clear but uh so i had to
                                         
                                         phone my grandpa and uh coax him to tape two specials and tell him how to he's got the tape
                                         
                                         recorder up against the TV.
                                         
                                         He's bashing it.
                                         
                                         He was filming it like a kinescope
                                         
    
                                         with a 16mm film.
                                         
                                         Anyway.
                                         
                                         The same night, I phoned my grandpa.
                                         
                                         The same night, the Muppets
                                         
                                         go to Disneyland. The final
                                         
                                         Jim Hansen's still alive.
                                         
                                         I remember that. Muppet special.
                                         
                                         Was he still alive when it premiered
                                         
    
                                         or was it posthumous?
                                         
                                         I think he died like a week later.
                                         
                                         But you knew. You knew this was big.
                                         
                                         And it needed to be recorded.
                                         
                                         And then the Riverdale
                                         
                                         movie followed it.
                                         
                                         And so I had it on tape and I watched it
                                         
                                         as you do when you're a child
                                         
    
                                         several times yeah and uh
                                         
                                         it had a limited run uh but they put out a comic book adaptation of the made for tv movie which
                                         
                                         was an adaptation of a comic book so they made a movie of the comic and they made a comic of the
                                         
                                         movie but rather than draw them like archie and Jughead, like normal, they did caricatures, or not even caricatures, but likenesses of Christopher Rich and Gary Kroger.
                                         
                                         Now, caricatures are like caricatures, right?
                                         
                                         Yeah, yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                         Son of a bitch.
                                         
                                         But they put out a comic of the movie, and the drawings in the comic are of Christopher Rich and of Sam Whipple.
                                         
    
                                         Right.
                                         
                                         So they're the archie characters
                                         
                                         but they're like human likenesses of it right years before this this trend but then they drew
                                         
                                         in a little crown on jughead's head they didn't but what they did was they had flashback sequences
                                         
                                         when they talked about the old days and then they were those flashback sequences were drawn by
                                         
                                         dan di carlo in the normal archie and jughead. What a weird bending of Archie reality.
                                         
                                         And then the inside back cover was the,
                                         
                                         since it was a made-for-TV movie,
                                         
    
                                         I'm sure they didn't use this anywhere else,
                                         
                                         but it was like the movie poster.
                                         
                                         Like photos of Christopher Rich in an R jacket.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         What a weird, I would like,
                                         
                                         there's several moments in kind of 20th century entertainment history
                                         
                                         that I would have liked to be a fly on the wall for.
                                         
                                         And the pitch meeting for that at NBC.
                                         
    
                                         We're talking the network at the time.
                                         
                                         What did they have?
                                         
                                         Cheers?
                                         
                                         Saved by the bell.
                                         
                                         Saved by the bell.
                                         
                                         Quantum Leap was on the horizon.
                                         
                                         Camp Candy.
                                         
                                         Camp Candy was keeping the John the john candy fires burning and night
                                         
    
                                         court the whole ubu lineup and then this guy's like hey how many of you read archie comics
                                         
                                         nobody in the office puts up their hand oh this is gonna be a long meeting. How many of you remember Gary Kroger?
                                         
                                         Now, if I had done the... If I had directed and produced the made-for-TV movie,
                                         
                                         I would have put in all the comic book stuff.
                                         
                                         I would have had...
                                         
                                         Lil' Jinx.
                                         
                                         Lil' Jinx.
                                         
                                         I would have had Lil' Archie.
                                         
    
                                         I would have had the fashion spreads from Betty and Veronica.
                                         
                                         Oh, yeah, the fashion pages.
                                         
                                         The fashion pinups.
                                         
                                         Sure.
                                         
                                         Outfit conceived by...
                                         
                                         Moose.
                                         
                                         I think that would be a better hour of TV.
                                         
                                         Was it just an hour?
                                         
    
                                         I think it was 90 minutes.
                                         
                                         I think it was a 90 minute.
                                         
                                         All I remember was jughead and his
                                         
                                         son i remember ethel being hot and jughead and his son dancing break dancing his son is jughead's
                                         
                                         trying to coax his son to impress girls he goes i was shy when i was your age too son just go up
                                         
                                         and talk to them because now jughead's you know he's inseminated somebody he's had a child yeah
                                         
                                         i wonder how that happened she probably wooed him in with the throws of burgers.
                                         
                                         He had burgers on the brain the whole time.
                                         
    
                                         Was he fat? No, he was Sam Whipple.
                                         
                                         Okay, I don't know who that is.
                                         
                                         He's a skinny guy. He looks like what Jughead
                                         
                                         would look like if he went bald.
                                         
                                         But Jughead's metabolism never slowed down?
                                         
                                         I think he...
                                         
                                         There's no scene in the movie. That's the surprising thing.
                                         
                                         There's no scene where they go past Pop Tate.
                                         
    
                                         Oh, yes there is. That's the whole crux of the film.
                                         
                                         There's a stack of burgers.
                                         
                                         Mon Frere.
                                         
                                         No.
                                         
                                         The whole crux of the film...
                                         
                                         I was going to say the stack of burgers.
                                         
                                         It follows the same formula as every shitty movie of the 70s and 80s.
                                         
                                         And this is like 1990.
                                         
    
                                         So it's the tail end of this genre of...
                                         
                                         They should have known better.
                                         
                                         Movies like Roller Boogie and everything else.
                                         
                                         I love that movie, Roller Boogie and everything else.
                                         
                                         Roller Burger, yeah.
                                         
                                         Roller Burger and everything else.
                                         
                                         It's like you and me and all our friends.
                                         
                                         Well, no, we're like there's a gang of kids.
                                         
    
                                         Not a gang like here where somebody gets shot, but a group of kids.
                                         
                                         Like the Warriors. Yes, where something's going gonna happen to the place where they hang out some evil businessman's
                                         
                                         gonna buy out and the only parking lot the only way to save it is it is to to save the roller
                                         
                                         rink as if we roller skate really hard and then we'll save it and then we'll cheer at the end and
                                         
                                         the businessman will go and then everybody will laugh and then something will fall on his head well in the archie movie pop tate's chocolate
                                         
                                         shop is under threat of being destroyed and there's a scene towards the end where the wrecking
                                         
                                         ball thing is there and they're going to crush pop dates and pop tate i think affixes himself
                                         
                                         to the wrecking ball and is swinging through the air on it, and all the Archie gang lines up. Do you think that's ever worked to stop construction?
                                         
    
                                         Somebody jumps on the wrecking ball?
                                         
                                         They're like, well, call it a day.
                                         
                                         Tate's on the wrecking ball.
                                         
                                         And I can't remember who played Pop Tate,
                                         
                                         but he was a familiar old character.
                                         
                                         Now, Jughead didn't get fat, but he did get bald.
                                         
                                         And once he got bald, he gave up the crown?
                                         
                                         There's no crown in the movie.
                                         
    
                                         You'd think he would just cover up the bald spot with the crown.
                                         
                                         Makes sense.
                                         
                                         How many episodes ago?
                                         
                                         There was quite a few episodes ago where we actually stunt casted Archie,
                                         
                                         if it was made into a movie now.
                                         
                                         David Caruso.
                                         
                                         David Caruso as Archie.
                                         
                                         Yeah, perfect.
                                         
    
                                         And I think I remember who else was in it, but it was quite...
                                         
                                         I think Adrian Brody was Jughead.
                                         
                                         Adrian Brody was Jughead.
                                         
                                         That was a good cast.
                                         
                                         But, so what do you think?
                                         
                                         Do you think it's a ruse?
                                         
                                         Do you think it's him choosing...
                                         
                                         Oh, the marriage, right?
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, because it's a six issue arc.
                                         
                                         Well, I think it might be a who shot Mr. Burns kind of thing, because they leaked who it
                                         
                                         is this week, and they said he marries Veronica.
                                         
                                         Right, right, right.
                                         
                                         Which means that when it comes out in September, it's going to be Betty.
                                         
                                         Right.
                                         
                                         I'm assuming.
                                         
                                         Why would they intentionally leak it, and everybody's up in arms?
                                         
    
                                         Why would he choose Veronica?
                                         
                                         What I don't understand is why—
                                         
                                         I can't imagine the security around there is very good, so maybe they didn't intentionally leak it.
                                         
                                         I want to know who Lil' Jinx isx is marrying personally if it's going to be Greg
                                         
                                         or the black kid
                                         
                                         I want to know if Spooky the Ghost
                                         
                                         ever gets. Spooky the Ghost
                                         
                                         we're jumping comic
                                         
    
                                         labels completely. That's true
                                         
                                         I don't mean to do that in your presence
                                         
                                         Spooky the Tough
                                         
                                         Little Ghost. Yeah he's the tough little ghost. Tough T-U-F-F
                                         
                                         Right. You remember that? Spooky the Ghost he had a Yeah, he's the Tough Little Ghost. Tough, T-U-F-F. Right. You remember that?
                                         
                                         Spooky the Ghost, he had a little derp, a doiby.
                                         
                                         I don't remember, but when you said tough, I knew it was going to be T-U-F-F.
                                         
                                         So, Dave, let's get to know you.
                                         
    
                                         What's going on?
                                         
                                         You told me you had a stellar few days.
                                         
                                         Yeah, a lot of stuff happened with me.
                                         
                                         Did you guys see the spelling bee the other day?
                                         
                                         Here?
                                         
                                         No, no, on television. The one from Canada?
                                         
                                         No, on Washington DC. Good distinction to make, though.
                                         
                                         Color. C-O-L-O-R?
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         But there was a Canadian one.
                                         
                                         Either...
                                         
                                         But the Canadians get sent
                                         
                                         as a representative to the American
                                         
                                         spelling bee. The Scripps National Spelling Bee, and they get...
                                         
                                         The same one from Spellbound, right?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
    
                                         And then they get eliminated immediately.
                                         
                                         Well, it's tough.
                                         
                                         All the U's.
                                         
                                         There's a U, exactly.
                                         
                                         Mustache.
                                         
                                         That's going to throw you for a loop.
                                         
                                         Ours is Mouse-tache.
                                         
                                         They go a little more advanced than that. But
                                         
    
                                         I was watching it and
                                         
                                         they now have...
                                         
                                         Have you ever seen one before?
                                         
                                         What, a spelling bee? Yeah. Oh, goodness, yes.
                                         
                                         Alright. Yes.
                                         
                                         They now have the parents
                                         
                                         on stage with the kids. They only show
                                         
                                         the finals on TV. Really? Yeah.
                                         
    
                                         That seems like a recipe for cheating. That's what
                                         
                                         I was going to say, yeah. But they're nowhere near the kids. They're just on recipe for cheating. That's what I was going to say, yeah.
                                         
                                         But they're nowhere near the kids.
                                         
                                         They're just on the other side of the stage.
                                         
                                         I'm going to tap my foot this many times for the letter U.
                                         
                                         24 times.
                                         
                                         But
                                         
                                         I think it must be
                                         
    
                                         so they can't...
                                         
                                         Well, if the parents are in the audience,
                                         
                                         they can make signals to them.
                                         
                                         That's true.
                                         
                                         Although, you know,
                                         
                                         anybody who's been on stage before
                                         
                                         knows that the lights are fairly blinding
                                         
                                         when it comes to...
                                         
    
                                         We can see them because they film them
                                         
                                         with lights in the audience.
                                         
                                         Do they gamble on that in Vegas?
                                         
                                         They have odds for everything in Vegas.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I'm sure they do.
                                         
                                         But who would know?
                                         
                                         How do you find out?
                                         
                                         Compulsive gamblers.
                                         
    
                                         But how do you know who wins and loses except for when they broadcast that one major final?
                                         
                                         Because they don't broadcast the playoffs of spelling business.
                                         
                                         They got a guy in there with a derby hat and he's calling in the numbers.
                                         
                                         The tough little ghost is there.
                                         
                                         It's a big derby episode.
                                         
                                         Ricky McIntosh from
                                         
                                         George Washington Elementary is taking the early
                                         
                                         lead and people are like,
                                         
    
                                         I'm out! I'm not to cancel the
                                         
                                         bet! No, all bets were final.
                                         
                                         There's kids,
                                         
                                         they have their stats.
                                         
                                         Papa's mustache is coming in early.
                                         
                                         They tell you
                                         
                                         this is their third time
                                         
                                         at the finals.
                                         
    
                                         What are the odds of the Canadian kid winning?
                                         
                                         Terrible.
                                         
                                         Because the Canadian kid... I've never seen a Canadian...
                                         
                                         They've never made the finals.
                                         
                                         The Canadian kid's garbage, if you're listening.
                                         
                                         It's like soccer.
                                         
                                         The Canadian kid is garbage.
                                         
                                         The Graham Clark story.
                                         
    
                                         Here's the thing.
                                         
                                         Related somewhat to spelling or just word-wise.
                                         
                                         You see there was a post on the blog page today.
                                         
                                         It says on the last episode, I said precipitate,
                                         
                                         which I meant in the context of like a prediction.
                                         
                                         Like what came before, what led up to, what created this?
                                         
                                         Precipitate.
                                         
                                         That is a way to use that word.
                                         
    
                                         And somebody called me out on the blog page.
                                         
                                         Hey, Graeme said precipitate, a thing that had nothing to do with rain.
                                         
                                         Do you think that that was a real thing, or do you think somebody's fucking around with me? But nobody actually ever uses the phrase precipitate in reference to rain no that's what i just thought
                                         
                                         that it meant something like precipitation i didn't actually nobody ever actually uses that
                                         
                                         but precipitate is a rain reference but it also is the creation of something right that sounds spell it c-l-a-w f-i-p-p-l
                                         
                                         so who won uh i don't know some kid my pbr cut off before the end
                                         
                                         wise wise pbr time uh but another thing that happened to me this week is well i guess it
                                         
                                         technically happened to my friend uh It was my friend's birthday.
                                         
    
                                         Happy birthday.
                                         
                                         Happy birthday, Tobin.
                                         
                                         Happy birthday to you.
                                         
                                         And we did a surprise party.
                                         
                                         Oh.
                                         
                                         And it was... You can see by the look on your face that it didn't surprise anybody.
                                         
                                         What?
                                         
                                         Or the real surprise was disappointment.
                                         
    
                                         I think a surprise party at this
                                         
                                         point in your life
                                         
                                         is, I mean, if anyone
                                         
                                         throws a party for you, that's surprising
                                         
                                         at all. That's true.
                                         
                                         I don't think I've ever had anybody throw a party
                                         
                                         for me. I don't ever care for
                                         
                                         that to happen, but
                                         
    
                                         have you ever had somebody throw a party in your
                                         
                                         honor? No.
                                         
                                         Seems like something that happens mostly in fairy tales. But this was Have you ever had somebody throw a party in your honor? No. No. Oh, I don't think so.
                                         
                                         It seems like something that happens mostly in fairy tales.
                                         
                                         But this was done...
                                         
                                         That would be awkward.
                                         
                                         Somebody threw a party for you?
                                         
                                         What are you supposed to do?
                                         
    
                                         Especially if it was like at 8 in the morning.
                                         
                                         You're like working the room the whole night?
                                         
                                         Oh, hey, thanks for going the extra mile for me.
                                         
                                         Unregistered at Sears.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         I hope you didn't neglect any real obligations to be a part of this.
                                         
                                         I would love it if it was thrown and populated by people I liked.
                                         
                                         But if somebody's just throwing a party, what if it's somebody you don't even care for?
                                         
    
                                         It's your old boss from a job you just stopped showing up at.
                                         
                                         Good lord.
                                         
                                         They go through like your
                                         
                                         old day timer.
                                         
                                         They break into your hotmail.
                                         
                                         Why did I leave it at my old job?
                                         
                                         It's all of your ex-girlfriend's
                                         
                                         friends.
                                         
    
                                         We're not even sure why we're here. They're horrible,
                                         
                                         aren't they, the ex-girlfriend's friends?
                                         
                                         They know your name and your
                                         
                                         secrets. Have you guys seen
                                         
                                         the ghost of ex-Girlfriend's Friends path?
                                         
                                         Those are people that you were required to know at some point.
                                         
                                         And then when you're separated out of the situation,
                                         
                                         you're shocked that you ever had anything to do with any of it.
                                         
    
                                         That seems to be the way.
                                         
                                         You were being a gentleman.
                                         
                                         Yeah, exactly. Around those cheerleaders. to do with any of it that seems to be the way you're being a gentleman yeah exactly yeah around
                                         
                                         those cheerleaders um but from that time i dated this truth from those air hostesses i dated
                                         
                                         uh but i uh i'm an expert neighbor on many sitcoms well your tv show is uh has a hallway
                                         
                                         full of models you were saying yes yeah yeah the breakfast show always models always early
                                         
                                         um but it was the the surprise party was held at a restaurant bar thing chee chees uh yeah it was
                                         
                                         frenchies and uh we were situated right at the top of the stairs and so when uh he came in we didn't know like do we hide under the table there no one had
                                         
    
                                         a plan nothing was organized vis-a-vis the surprising and so the surprise consisted of us
                                         
                                         all looking away like we all looked away from the entrance but then we didn't know when to turn
                                         
                                         around so he just sat
                                         
                                         down and was staring the same way with you for 10 minutes it was a little late like everyone kind of
                                         
                                         looked over so he didn't even think it was like a surprise party maybe just a coincidence yeah maybe
                                         
                                         yeah he walks in he's like what denny's all you guys and then there was a really half-assed surprise
                                         
                                         was there a was there a cake yeah well it wasn't denny's so complimentary slice of cake there was a really half-assed surprise. Was there a cake? Well, it was at Denny's, so.
                                         
                                         Complimentary slice of cake on your birthday.
                                         
    
                                         Actually, his girlfriend made a big brownie.
                                         
                                         Oh, that's pretty good.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         How old is he turning?
                                         
                                         Is it a significant?
                                         
                                         Is it 30?
                                         
                                         No, the one before.
                                         
                                         29?
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         I don't know.
                                         
                                         She's trying to cement.
                                         
                                         She's trying to get a ring.
                                         
                                         That's what that is all about.
                                         
                                         Throwing him a surprise.
                                         
                                         Surprise!
                                         
                                         It's about time, yeah.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah, exactly.
                                         
                                         Put a ring on it.
                                         
                                         Whoever.
                                         
                                         Thanks.
                                         
                                         Caleb, was that his name?
                                         
                                         Something like that.
                                         
                                         Graham.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
    
                                         What's up with you?
                                         
                                         Speaking of Caleb, and I think I was.
                                         
                                         I was at London Drugs yesterday.
                                         
                                         Oh, with your buddy Caleb.
                                         
                                         Yeah. Where my buddy caleb worked they had water bottles that were for kids that had names on them
                                         
                                         and uh the two names the water bottles had names on them not the kids yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly
                                         
                                         and uh there are two names it was a girl name and a guy name and the girl name was chloe and the guy name was caleb that's it for c that's that
                                         
                                         that was it those were the two c names well they're sold out come on no no no this was a this
                                         
    
                                         was i'd never seen this display before it was brand new and it was like these color like colorful
                                         
                                         water bottles and caleb and chloe were your two choices if you had a kid with the C name. Whatever happened to just good old fashioned, useless
                                         
                                         small plastic license plates?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Have you ever found
                                         
                                         a cliff with a K
                                         
                                         anywhere? No, but that's
                                         
                                         strictly show business, Dave.
                                         
    
                                         Oh, you have a show business name.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Like mine. My real name is
                                         
                                         Mortimer Suspenders. I don't know you well enough to know your yeah um like mine my real name is uh mortimer suspenders
                                         
                                         um i don't know you well enough to know your real name no we're not gonna do this no okay
                                         
                                         but uh but yeah chloe and uh caleb that would have been like if you just had like
                                         
                                         custard and uh cumin like it's not it could have been that obscure.
                                         
                                         I mean, whoever, whatever kid named Caleb finds it,
                                         
    
                                         cloud nine. But you wouldn't even bother
                                         
                                         looking if your name was Caleb.
                                         
                                         I know it's just another recipe for sheer
                                         
                                         anger at the world.
                                         
                                         Yeah, I searched
                                         
                                         many of the time for a Cliff with a C
                                         
                                         license plate growing up and
                                         
                                         you end up kicking over a
                                         
    
                                         fucking
                                         
                                         twirly stand, whatever they're called.
                                         
                                         Oh, the little whirly gigs?
                                         
                                         Rotating gigs.
                                         
                                         I went to high school with a Caleb.
                                         
                                         Oh, yeah? What an a-hole.
                                         
                                         Yeah, well, tell him where he can pick up his
                                         
                                         junior water bottle. But now maybe I know
                                         
    
                                         why. I went to a
                                         
                                         school with a Caleb. Hippie.
                                         
                                         Oh, really? Yeah, so that's weird because I've never met a Caleb. Or. Hippie. Oh, wow. So that's weird, because
                                         
                                         I've never met a Caleb. Or I don't know
                                         
                                         any Chloe's either.
                                         
                                         I also went to school with a Chloe.
                                         
                                         Oh, really? She was nice.
                                         
                                         Oh, wow. So you guys really would...
                                         
    
                                         I would be banking on the...
                                         
                                         I'd be like, Brian.
                                         
                                         Although, I went...
                                         
                                         I was homeschooled,
                                         
                                         so I only had two classmates.
                                         
                                         Yes.
                                         
                                         So yeah, that was the thing.
                                         
                                         And I finally saw the Jean-Claude Van Damme at JCVD.
                                         
    
                                         How was it?
                                         
                                         It was good.
                                         
                                         It's good.
                                         
                                         I liked it.
                                         
                                         It was completely the...
                                         
                                         Gritty. No, it wasn't. It was totally... I didn't expect what it was good. It's good. I liked it. It was completely the... Gritty.
                                         
                                         No, it wasn't.
                                         
                                         It was totally...
                                         
    
                                         I didn't expect what it was about.
                                         
                                         It's mostly about a bank robbery.
                                         
                                         Oh.
                                         
                                         Jean-Claude Van Damme runs a bus station.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         And he's an ex-drunk.
                                         
                                         To Laura Kedden back again.
                                         
                                         Starring Jean-Claude Van Damme.
                                         
    
                                         To Laura Kedden back again. Jean-Claude Van Damme to Laura Kedden back again
                                         
                                         so yeah that was that
                                         
                                         and then
                                         
                                         I don't know there's not much I worked
                                         
                                         yesterday was the only day I had off and I just
                                         
                                         kind of cleaned the house
                                         
                                         have you met Jean-Claude Van Damme?
                                         
                                         no no no
                                         
    
                                         but did I tell somebody was telling me a story about
                                         
                                         did I tell that story about Dolph Lundgren
                                         
                                         my friend that was in the meeting about Dolph Lundgren?
                                         
                                         My friend that was in the meeting with Dolph Lundgren while he was in town?
                                         
                                         I don't know.
                                         
                                         This is a story, I can't remember who told me, but it was, somebody was working as like a producer's assistant. And Dolph Lundgren was in town making this movie.
                                         
                                         And I guess in the first meeting he was really excited about the project.
                                         
                                         Like he really, he thought he was going to be involved.
                                         
    
                                         His input was needed.
                                         
                                         And so he was there on the first day.
                                         
                                         He's throwing out ideas.
                                         
                                         And somebody said he was eating crackers.
                                         
                                         And while he was talking he was spitting crackers.
                                         
                                         He was so excited he wouldn't finish eating these crackers.
                                         
                                         And so he was spitting cracker dust all over the table.
                                         
                                         And then I guess between the first and the second meeting, something had shifted.
                                         
    
                                         And he was no longer in charge.
                                         
                                         He was still in the project, but he was no longer in charge.
                                         
                                         Dolph Lundgren?
                                         
                                         Dolph Lundgren.
                                         
                                         So he shows up for the next meeting in his workout gear.
                                         
                                         And during the meeting, he's doing stretches.
                                         
                                         Like he's standing up and doing all these
                                         
                                         calisthenics
                                         
    
                                         because he's lost interest in the project
                                         
                                         he's doing like wall pushups and stuff
                                         
                                         that's pretty much my
                                         
                                         favorite story
                                         
                                         when I was
                                         
                                         he's like I'm just gonna phone it in
                                         
                                         for the rest of this movie
                                         
                                         when I
                                         
    
                                         in 1995 or 6 or maybe a little bit later
                                         
                                         jean-claude van damme was in vancouver a lot yeah and uh like he they shoot a lot of cheap movies
                                         
                                         here and he actually owns a a condo or an apartment in the wall center and a condor yeah a condor. Yeah, a condor. And a condor man suit.
                                         
                                         And in like the cheap Vancouver celebrity gossip column, there was something about him.
                                         
                                         Oh, they compared his dance moves to Ricky Martin.
                                         
                                         Oh, wow.
                                         
                                         His Ricky Martin-esque dance moves and then he left this dance club and
                                         
                                         found a
                                         
    
                                         saw a homeless guy
                                         
                                         pulled out a $100 bill, threw it at him
                                         
                                         and told him, why don't you get some nice clothes
                                         
                                         I would love
                                         
                                         if he did that to me
                                         
                                         the thing that's great about the movie
                                         
                                         and I would watch
                                         
                                         I was a really big fan of Being John Malkovich
                                         
    
                                         when it came out, I'm a fan of any project that kind of enlists celebrities to play a version of themselves.
                                         
                                         I find that endlessly fascinating.
                                         
                                         But the greatest kind of dialogue exchange was,
                                         
                                         Jean-Claude Van Damme is up for a role, and, like, he really needs the money from this role.
                                         
                                         for a role and like he really needs the money from this role and uh and then like he hears from his agent that uh he lost the role and he's like to who and he's like to steven seagal and he's like
                                         
                                         what steven seagal and his agent explains he's promised to cut off his ponytail for the role
                                         
                                         and so that cemented it that made me laugh so hard because i mean it was just well
                                         
                                         it's probably one of the best written bits of a movie i've seen a long time especially in a
                                         
    
                                         jean-claude van damme movie oh it's the fact that he allows himself kind of the the evisceration that
                                         
                                         happens in that movie redeems him kind of a million
                                         
                                         percent. I had a friend
                                         
                                         who was strangled by Jean-Claude
                                         
                                         Van Damme, and not to death,
                                         
                                         but
                                         
                                         had his... Jim Henson.
                                         
                                         Had his
                                         
    
                                         fingers wrapped around
                                         
                                         the neck of my friend
                                         
                                         who was working, I'm not sure what his role was
                                         
                                         on the movie, not as an actor,
                                         
                                         but he was like a gaffer or something
                                         
                                         on a Jean-Claude Van Damme movie
                                         
                                         that was being filmed here,
                                         
                                         and I haven't seen a lot of his films,
                                         
    
                                         maybe this will ring a bell.
                                         
                                         I'm a completist.
                                         
                                         Is there one with lions?
                                         
                                         Yes.
                                         
                                         Okay, so it was filmed here,
                                         
                                         whatever movie that was.
                                         
                                         Was it the one with Dennis Rodman?
                                         
                                         That sounds like it.
                                         
    
                                         I don't know, I never saw it,
                                         
                                         but I know there was lions
                                         
                                         and Jean-Claude Van Damme and Vancouver involved.
                                         
                                         Okay.
                                         
                                         I'd say it's probably a double impact.
                                         
                                         And they started the scene.
                                         
                                         And Jean-Claude Van Damme is supposed to be thrown up against a fence of a cage.
                                         
                                         And there's lions in the cage.
                                         
    
                                         And they're supposed to growl at him.
                                         
                                         They're real lions that an animal trainer brought in.
                                         
                                         And during the scene that they were filming, they threw him up against the cage.
                                         
                                         And the lions growl.
                                         
                                         And then Jean-Claude Van Damme stopped the shooting.
                                         
                                         He goes, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
                                         
                                         And everybody kind of goes quiet because you listen up when it's JVC, right?
                                         
                                         JCVD.
                                         
    
                                         Whatever.
                                         
                                         And he goes, who's in charge of the lions?
                                         
                                         I don't know.
                                         
                                         Is that what he sounds like?
                                         
                                         Yeah, close enough when he yells.
                                         
                                         Yeah. He goes, who's in charge of the lions i don't know if that is that what he sounds like yeah when he yells yeah
                                         
                                         he goes who's in charge of the lions and they're silent silence he goes who is in charge of the
                                         
                                         lions there's silence and he goes the lions aren't ferocious enough
                                         
    
                                         he punched the cage and he then he yelled at like a poor Like script assistant A script girl
                                         
                                         And he was like
                                         
                                         Are you in charge of the lions?
                                         
                                         Are you in charge of the lions?
                                         
                                         And then he grabbed
                                         
                                         My friend by the throat
                                         
                                         And said
                                         
                                         Who was in charge of the lions?
                                         
    
                                         Oh god
                                         
                                         Oh god
                                         
                                         As relayed
                                         
                                         From my friend
                                         
                                         That was his anecdote
                                         
                                         That's pretty outstanding
                                         
                                         We're not gonna top that No We wanna move on To some overheards Sure Alright As relayed from my friend. That's pretty outstanding.
                                         
                                         We're not going to top that.
                                         
    
                                         We want to move on to some overheards?
                                         
                                         Sure.
                                         
                                         All right.
                                         
                                         Overheard.
                                         
                                         So overheards, things overheard in places public and in everyday life.
                                         
                                         We always like to let the guests start, if you have one. As your hard drive starts to make an insane amount of life. We always like to let the guests start if you have one. As your hard drive
                                         
                                         starts to make an insane
                                         
                                         amount of racket. It also makes
                                         
    
                                         a cappuccino. It's a summertime
                                         
                                         hard drive.
                                         
                                         Yes, I do have an overheard.
                                         
                                         I assume many of the
                                         
                                         overheards come from public transit, no?
                                         
                                         A good portion of them, but not
                                         
                                         exclusive. Well, this one's from public transit.
                                         
                                         I was riding the bus. Ooh, that's one of them, but not exclusive. Well, this one's from public transit. I was riding the bus.
                                         
    
                                         Ooh, that's one of them.
                                         
                                         Public transit.
                                         
                                         And it was at the back of the bus where I was sitting.
                                         
                                         There's the largest group of people at the back of the bus.
                                         
                                         There was a older hippie.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Like he was now, he was probably a senior, but still a hippie, right?
                                         
                                         Sitting there with a blazer and a button,
                                         
    
                                         like a pin-on button on his jacket.
                                         
                                         And at the back of the bus,
                                         
                                         there was like a big kind of talkative guy that didn't know anybody, but was talking to everybody.
                                         
                                         Not a crazy guy talking to himself.
                                         
                                         No, it's just like a social club.
                                         
                                         Chit-chat.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         So he was chit-chatting with this one person,
                                         
    
                                         and then it came to a lull.
                                         
                                         And so that conversation was over,
                                         
                                         and he looks over at the old hippie,
                                         
                                         and he goes, Hey, what's your button say and the old hippie who sounded like an old hippie and everything's like well what the uh this button here it says uh
                                         
                                         volunteers help the world go round oh wow and uh then the big kind of grotesque guy was like, oh, yeah?
                                         
                                         I used to volunteer.
                                         
                                         I volunteered for 18 years, stuffing envelopes for the United Way.
                                         
                                         And then the old hippie goes, huh, far out.
                                         
    
                                         I thought when the old fat
                                         
                                         like the grotesque guy
                                         
                                         said I used to volunteer
                                         
                                         I was sure that was
                                         
                                         going to be a military
                                         
                                         like I volunteered overseas
                                         
                                         stuff an envelope
                                         
                                         for the United Way
                                         
    
                                         that is far out
                                         
                                         far out
                                         
                                         that's way out
                                         
                                         I couldn't believe
                                         
                                         that the old hippie
                                         
                                         actually said far out
                                         
                                         because like if you're
                                         
                                         doing that like in a
                                         
    
                                         Jean-Claude Van Damme movie you cast somebody as an old hippie and they said far out. Because if you're doing that in a Jean-Claude Van Damme movie,
                                         
                                         you cast somebody as an old hippie and they said far out,
                                         
                                         you'd be like, no way, that's not credible.
                                         
                                         But he said that.
                                         
                                         And then even this middle-aged woman who was next to me
                                         
                                         kind of snickered and shook her head in disbelief.
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Old hippie had said far out.
                                         
    
                                         She did the thing where she was drinking booze
                                         
                                         and she was like, look through the booze,
                                         
                                         threw it over her shoulder.
                                         
                                         Don't start.
                                         
                                         It was Bronson Pinto in a...
                                         
                                         When I'm walking my dog and he actually pees on a fire hydrant,
                                         
                                         I will roll my eyes at him for being such a cliche.
                                         
                                         And then the tough ghost floats by in his derby.
                                         
    
                                         Has anybody seen my doiby?
                                         
                                         Do you have one?
                                         
                                         Overheard? Sure. Mine is an overread and maybe this
                                         
                                         is like sometimes
                                         
                                         I see something and I
                                         
                                         don't believe it
                                         
                                         but then I look it up on the internet
                                         
                                         and there's a million
                                         
    
                                         hits
                                         
                                         about this one thing that I've
                                         
                                         never seen before.
                                         
                                         But today I saw, I was at my
                                         
                                         parents' house and I was watering their plants
                                         
                                         because they're out of town.
                                         
                                         That's a fun job.
                                         
                                         Go in and have a popsicle if they got them in the fridge.
                                         
    
                                         They don't.
                                         
                                         They got old mustard.
                                         
                                         Next door, there's
                                         
                                         some construction workers.
                                         
                                         They're building a house next to my parents' house.
                                         
                                         And one construction worker had a T-shirt.
                                         
                                         And on the back, it was like the kind of shirt you would get in Mexico on vacation.
                                         
                                         One tequila, two tequila, three tequila floor?
                                         
    
                                         In that ilk.
                                         
                                         All right.
                                         
                                         And it said, no more stinking tacos.
                                         
                                         And there was a picture of a chihuahua on a toilet with tears in its eyes.
                                         
                                         What?
                                         
                                         No more stinking tacos.
                                         
                                         Oh, man.
                                         
                                         It's more sad than funny.
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         But you know that guy found it and he was like,
                                         
                                         yeah, we're going to get 10 of these.
                                         
                                         You can relate.
                                         
                                         The tears, especially.
                                         
                                         When you say the amount of hits,
                                         
                                         do you mean like when you type into Google
                                         
                                         and it says the amount of results?
                                         
    
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Because I Googled stop podcasting yourself,
                                         
                                         which says a lot, like 3 million or 3.5 million.
                                         
                                         And then the next one down is –
                                         
                                         Did you have it in quotes?
                                         
                                         I don't – yeah, I think so.
                                         
                                         What?
                                         
                                         And then the next one down was stop pollution, which only has 1 million more than stop podcasting yourself.
                                         
    
                                         But unless you did it in quotes, it's every result that has one of those three words.
                                         
                                         No, all three words, but in any order.
                                         
                                         In any order.
                                         
                                         Oh, that's right.
                                         
                                         Yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                         Well, I think I almost always Google with quotes.
                                         
                                         I'm that savvy.
                                         
                                         Yeah?
                                         
    
                                         That I know.
                                         
                                         Oh, wow.
                                         
                                         How are your Boolean searches?
                                         
                                         Graham?
                                         
                                         Yes?
                                         
                                         What about you?
                                         
                                         I was cleaning on Sunday.
                                         
                                         Not very much, but I was cleaning out.
                                         
    
                                         I was putting some winter
                                         
                                         jackets kind of in an away
                                         
                                         area. You're putting them in your vacuum packs?
                                         
                                         Yeah, exactly. I was
                                         
                                         going to, you know, because they're sitting out
                                         
                                         on the front hooks. They don't need
                                         
                                         to be at the front hooks. Put them away in the back
                                         
                                         hooks, right? Sure. And then I
                                         
    
                                         was going through the pockets. I found
                                         
                                         this ad
                                         
                                         that I had taken out of a magazine over the summer
                                         
                                         because I remember thinking it was really funny.
                                         
                                         And it's this picture.
                                         
                                         It's for a hair restoration clinic.
                                         
                                         And it's got a picture of this dude on it.
                                         
                                         And it says...
                                         
    
                                         Glenn Danzig.
                                         
                                         Yeah, it says,
                                         
                                         Former frontman of Iron Maiden, Blaze Bailey.
                                         
                                         And then the little blur it says, former frontman of Iron Maiden, Blaze Bailey. And then the little blurb says, when ex-Iron Maiden frontman Blaze Bailey discovered he was losing his hair, he didn't run to the hills.
                                         
                                         That's a step away from the heavy music spotlight.
                                         
                                         And it goes on from there.
                                         
                                         But I really remember when I read that and thinking that was the funniest use of a...
                                         
                                         He didn't check, you know, like if it was a guy from the Eagles,
                                         
    
                                         like he didn't check into the Hotel California
                                         
                                         and hide out for the rest of his life.
                                         
                                         It would work with any major band.
                                         
                                         Oh, actually, anybody who's interested
                                         
                                         can write in their favorite interpretation of something like that,
                                         
                                         like a band or a famous person
                                         
                                         connected to a famous thing they did.
                                         
                                         Dee Snider
                                         
    
                                         said to baldness I'm not gonna take it
                                         
                                         anymore
                                         
                                         yeah so you can write that in to
                                         
                                         stoppodcastyourself at gmail.com
                                         
                                         or call it in to our phone number
                                         
                                         206-339-8328
                                         
                                         but yeah that's a year in the making
                                         
                                         this overseen it's history in the making. This overseen.
                                         
    
                                         It's history in the making.
                                         
                                         I think I'm glad you guys enjoyed it.
                                         
                                         It's amazing when you discover stuff in your old coat
                                         
                                         or your winter coat the next winter round
                                         
                                         or vice versa.
                                         
                                         This was literally like, this is from a magazine
                                         
                                         called Q. It's like a UK.
                                         
                                         I got it when I was over in the UK.
                                         
    
                                         Quopra is their big...
                                         
                                         Quopra!
                                         
                                         Big star. She's on the cover of every magazine.
                                         
                                         She's huge in Britain.
                                         
                                         Quopra!
                                         
                                         This month it's her with a bunch of puppies.
                                         
                                         English sheepdogs.
                                         
                                         Oh, we got...
                                         
    
                                         We got called in overheard.
                                         
                                         All right.
                                         
                                         Let's have a listen.
                                         
                                         Gentlemen, hope you and yours are well.
                                         
                                         Some wonderful call and response graffiti for you.
                                         
                                         On the way to Rochester to visit my friends, my wife's friends for the holiday,
                                         
                                         just above a tunnel entrance we saw two things written,
                                         
                                         Kill Satan, Free LaRouche, in response to lyndon larouche of the american
                                         
    
                                         entrepreneur and anarchist activist uh on the way back someone had very inventively made it into a
                                         
                                         shopping list uh to-do list including dry cleaners kill satan free larouche get milk
                                         
                                         wonderful Cleaners, kill Satan, free LaRouche, get milk. That would be wonderful.
                                         
                                         Hope you and yours as well. Take care.
                                         
                                         Inventive graffiti.
                                         
                                         Yeah, clever. Top drawer stuff.
                                         
                                         Oh man, that's really funny.
                                         
                                         I really
                                         
    
                                         didn't know where that was going until the end. That's my
                                         
                                         favorite kind of...
                                         
                                         It's the Breaking Bad of Overheard.
                                         
                                         It's the Shyamalanian uh by the way uh season finale
                                         
                                         last night of breaking bad anybody does anybody you guys aren't a fan of the show i've never seen
                                         
                                         outrageous what a great it's a great show quite possibly the best on television yeah you've said
                                         
                                         it before i'll say it again maybe i'll get into it get into it dave i got a summer of nothing
                                         
                                         to do is that the show where they stop the kids from being bad kids yep boot camp yeah they got
                                         
    
                                         a super nanny they call it a spin-off from another one that was like bad parents and they stopped
                                         
                                         them from being bad parents no breaking bad's a drama it's not a it's a reality show it's a
                                         
                                         reality show no no it's a it's a reality show It's a reality show
                                         
                                         No no
                                         
                                         It's a
                                         
                                         It's a scripted
                                         
                                         You're thinking of some other show
                                         
                                         But the reality shows are
                                         
    
                                         Yeah pretty
                                         
                                         Scripted
                                         
                                         But this is
                                         
                                         Actually scripted
                                         
                                         Yeah
                                         
                                         This is an actual scripted
                                         
                                         Like a drama
                                         
                                         And Regis Philbin
                                         
    
                                         Yeah he hosts it
                                         
                                         Yeah
                                         
                                         In a scripted
                                         
                                         He gives trivia questions
                                         
                                         About Breaking Bad things
                                         
                                         And Regis Philbin is Oh you They breaking bad things. And Regis Feldman is...
                                         
                                         Oh, they break bad things?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
    
                                         Paws and candy bars.
                                         
                                         Bad for your teeth.
                                         
                                         Any accursed thing.
                                         
                                         People skateboard through plate glass that's being moved
                                         
                                         across the street by moving men.
                                         
                                         Was that the subtotal of the overheads?
                                         
                                         We only released the last episode today so
                                         
                                         yeah so that's true yeah there's a a new segment yeah it's a few weeks old it's uh these are the
                                         
    
                                         kind of what would you say like neighborhood nicknames yeah do you want to play your theme
                                         
                                         or sheila's i you know'm going to vote for my theme. Okay.
                                         
                                         Who's that guy carrying a flag every day?
                                         
                                         What do you call him?
                                         
                                         Flag Pete, Flag Frank. You don't know his name.
                                         
                                         So you made up a name
                                         
                                         Yeah
                                         
                                         I think you should play the Sesame Street People in Your Neighborhood song.
                                         
    
                                         I tried to pass that through. Dave said no.
                                         
                                         Podcast, CRTC, Music Rights.
                                         
                                         The hard asses at iTunes.
                                         
                                         So basically these are the people in the neighborhood that you don't know their name,
                                         
                                         but they've got some remarkable characteristics.
                                         
                                         So you've given them some sort of nickname as an identifier.
                                         
                                         For example, this guy I wrote in today, a guy named Jeff B.
                                         
                                         There's a man in my local town, Cleveley's in the northwest of England, who looks like a homeless Brian Blessed.
                                         
    
                                         Does anybody know who Brian Blessed is?
                                         
                                         Yeah, Brian Blessed.
                                         
                                         British guy.
                                         
                                         Does a lot of old
                                         
                                         fantasy stuff
                                         
                                         and Robin Hood
                                         
                                         kind of things. Like an actor?
                                         
                                         Oh, okay.
                                         
    
                                         A huge hairy man who strides around town
                                         
                                         in a very purposeful manner
                                         
                                         as if he has somewhere to be.
                                         
                                         He is always carrying a huge 1970s-style portable radio, the kind that takes at least 60 batteries.
                                         
                                         He cradles this like a baby, and if it is raining, he has it wrapped in a plastic bag.
                                         
                                         I have only once heard the radio switched on on a Saturday afternoon as the soccer results arrived.
                                         
                                         I have named him Radio Raheem after the boombox-carrying character
                                         
                                         from Spike Lee's Do the Right Thing.
                                         
    
                                         Like that.
                                         
                                         Thank you very much for sending that in.
                                         
                                         And thank you for dumbing down football
                                         
                                         to soccer for us, for the listening audience.
                                         
                                         Yeah, thank you very much.
                                         
                                         He did the math. He did the exchange.
                                         
                                         Cliff, you've lived in...
                                         
                                         You lived on the drive for years.
                                         
    
                                         You've been... Do you have any? You for years you've been uh do you do you have any
                                         
                                         you can think of off the top of your head off the top of my head are in my new neighborhood
                                         
                                         which is uh almost like a retirement community there's no gates but everybody's old yeah and
                                         
                                         everybody except for me owns the house you're like david leisure i am definitely the Marcus Suspicion. The Joe Isuzu.
                                         
                                         We got our
                                         
                                         left in the house.
                                         
                                         Not in the house, sorry. Left of the house.
                                         
                                         We have a neighbor who's
                                         
    
                                         91. And to the right of the
                                         
                                         house we have
                                         
                                         neighbors who have never been into their yard
                                         
                                         or done anything to their yard other than
                                         
                                         throw things out of the door
                                         
                                         onto their yard
                                         
                                         a lot of chicken bones out there uh well their house has a nickname the residents themselves
                                         
                                         do not have a nickname their house is crystal meth palace okay crystal meth palace but they
                                         
    
                                         are elderly unassuming asian churchgoers oh wow but in the back there are large sort of tubs and bins and
                                         
                                         tons of empty bleach bottles and hoses going into tubs sometimes left on for days unless i go over
                                         
                                         there physically and clandestinely turn it off because i'm afraid my property will be uh flooded
                                         
                                         flooded with uh crystal chemicals You should be so lucky.
                                         
                                         Well, isn't like bleach and chemicals, isn't that some kind of...
                                         
                                         Bleach is part of it, yeah.
                                         
                                         And they've got like just...
                                         
                                         I watch enough Breaking Bad to know that.
                                         
    
                                         Exactly.
                                         
                                         Well, they've got tons of empty bleach balls back there
                                         
                                         and hanging from one of the trees is a hose from a vacuum that's dangling there.
                                         
                                         And in the front, it's like a lot of old gardening supplies, like fertilizers, but it's not been opened.
                                         
                                         Just piles.
                                         
                                         It's been there for at least a year now.
                                         
                                         Wow.
                                         
                                         And tall weeds and grass.
                                         
    
                                         And they also have a bunch of like, what do you call them?
                                         
                                         Like potters, things that you plant flowers in, whatever you call it.
                                         
                                         Yeah, yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                         Flower pots?
                                         
                                         Yes. Damn it. Am I am i right yes you are right but uh with no bottoms in them like they have a bunch that are like shattered and broken
                                         
                                         and all over their front lawn and then they have a lawnmower ironically in these amongst these tall
                                         
                                         weeds and just sitting there that's been sitting there for a while so that's the blocks wow crystal
                                         
                                         meth palace crystal meth palace aka crystal meth that reminds me of like the place i used to live in our landlord lived across the alley from us uh but this guy didn't really he
                                         
    
                                         wasn't in the house very often one time he uh bleached the hedge he killed it poisoned the
                                         
                                         whole hedge it was a bone white like it was crazy i never seen a hedge turn that color before but
                                         
                                         he killed the whole hedge and he had these huge steel drums
                                         
                                         right we had there was a bunch of that you play like no no no yeah yeah yeah he was a
                                         
                                         no yeah still like industrial steel drums right sure that you would turn oil in uh they were
                                         
                                         rusted up they'd you know decades old things and then one day we went i just i was out of curiosity
                                         
                                         went into his yard in the front yard don't do it it was there was uh two in there two giant holes
                                         
                                         dug in the ground in his front yard nothing was in him but i feel like those drums were destined
                                         
    
                                         for that ground okay i thought you were going to say there was a body.
                                         
                                         No, no, no.
                                         
                                         He would only come around once in a while.
                                         
                                         I only met him once
                                         
                                         and then I remember there was a rumor that he ate
                                         
                                         a possum that fell in a rain barrel.
                                         
                                         He ate it?
                                         
                                         Yeah, it fell in a rain barrel and drowned and he ate it.
                                         
    
                                         Did you start this rumor?
                                         
                                         No, no.
                                         
                                         One of the guys who lived there said they were talking and he had just eaten the possum like the night before.
                                         
                                         So he actually did eat a possum but not necessarily fell into the –
                                         
                                         No, yeah.
                                         
                                         That's where it came from.
                                         
                                         He definitely ate a possum.
                                         
                                         He said where did – he was like – he was asking him, have you ever had possum?
                                         
    
                                         And he said, what the fuck?
                                         
                                         Like maybe he thought like like have you ever played
                                         
                                         possum
                                         
                                         sure
                                         
                                         you know like
                                         
                                         when the bear
                                         
                                         was attacking you
                                         
                                         but then
                                         
    
                                         I guess
                                         
                                         the details
                                         
                                         were that this possum
                                         
                                         had fallen into this
                                         
                                         rain barrel
                                         
                                         and drowned
                                         
                                         and he decided
                                         
                                         it was
                                         
    
                                         why waste good meat
                                         
                                         it was an elaborate
                                         
                                         like
                                         
                                         trap
                                         
                                         what do you call
                                         
                                         the
                                         
                                         like a Rube goldberg trap
                                         
                                         to drown possums yeah i don't know that i've heard an a rumor about my neighbors because i
                                         
    
                                         now that i'm an adult i don't know any of my neighbors except the ones that have dogs well
                                         
                                         what do you talk about when you lean over the fence while you're drying the clothes? I don't. I stare. I peer through Venetian blinds.
                                         
                                         But when I was a kid, I remember there being tons of rumors about the neighbors.
                                         
                                         You know in Vancouver there's that house that looks like it's like a fairytale house?
                                         
                                         Oh, yeah.
                                         
                                         You know, it's over in the west.
                                         
                                         The Munchkin House on Camby and King Edward.
                                         
                                         Yeah, like that was owned by like an old couple, and they no longer, I think they both passed away,
                                         
    
                                         and it's now owned by some.
                                         
                                         Yeah, it's owned by a witch who has redone the insulation with gingerbread.
                                         
                                         Do you know that house?
                                         
                                         It's near my house, and I bike past all the time, but I can't think specifically.
                                         
                                         I think the roof.
                                         
                                         The roof is, it looks like, it kind of looks like something out of the Smurfs.
                                         
                                         No, I don't know.
                                         
                                         I don't know.
                                         
    
                                         It really does.
                                         
                                         It really looks like something.
                                         
                                         It's out of a drawing of a Grimm's Brothers fairy tale.
                                         
                                         And I guess somebody bought this development group or whatever, bought the property,
                                         
                                         and they redid the roof because it had completely rotted.
                                         
                                         It was wooden shingles.
                                         
                                         And they looked all over the world for somebody who did that kind of shingling
                                         
                                         because it's like a shingling that was done.
                                         
    
                                         It's a weird like textured thing.
                                         
                                         Yeah, like they're all bent, right?
                                         
                                         And I guess it was really big after World War I.
                                         
                                         There was like this real big nostalgia
                                         
                                         and like kind of a fairy tale thing
                                         
                                         kind of swept the country like that was a trend and so there were people that knew how to do this
                                         
                                         they don't exist anymore so they had to experiment like boiling wood and all this stuff like they had
                                         
                                         to figure it out from scratch and they redid this whole thing but it's it's this crazy yeah yeah it
                                         
    
                                         looks there's there's two houses like that in vancouver that i know yeah yeah yeah
                                         
                                         there's one on uh king edward and cambion one on the ninth just past alma and then there's also
                                         
                                         bike tours there's a house if you go way way way up by the university on like like almost near uh
                                         
                                         alma street way up by the university and there's a house that looks like this.
                                         
                                         That's what he just said.
                                         
                                         Which one?
                                         
                                         Alma.
                                         
                                         No, yeah, I'm not talking about that.
                                         
    
                                         There's another one that looks like the Adams family house.
                                         
                                         Oh.
                                         
                                         It's purple.
                                         
                                         And it's like, I don't know, it's 16th and something.
                                         
                                         It's way on the west-west side of town.
                                         
                                         And it's behind hedges.
                                         
                                         And it's this on the west west side of town and it's behind hedges and it's this weirdly kind
                                         
                                         of shaped it like it doesn't look like a construction that you would ever have done
                                         
    
                                         if you weren't like make it like the adams family that's what they look it's got spikes you know
                                         
                                         it's got like gothic spikes on the top i remember when i was uh it's fucked up when i was younger
                                         
                                         there was this house on king edward avenue and uh it Edward Avenue. It had this glass front to it.
                                         
                                         I was like, one day I want to live in that house.
                                         
                                         My dad was like, that's Ronald McDonald's house.
                                         
                                         You can live there if you're dying.
                                         
                                         Oh, man.
                                         
                                         That's some good stuff.
                                         
    
                                         Someone called in with some neighborhood characters.
                                         
                                         Hi, this is Lauren from Athens, Georgia.
                                         
                                         I thought I would share with you a couple of the nicknames of people in my neighborhood.
                                         
                                         There's a lot.
                                         
                                         We live in a converted warehouse, so we've got a lot of crazies. But four of my favorites, top four, are, well, there's a guy that always walks around.
                                         
                                         He's in his mid-50s, walks around without a shirt and with a kind of hound dog,
                                         
                                         always without the shirt, though, very short shorts.
                                         
                                         And we happen to know his actual name name but we give him a nickname anyway his
                                         
    
                                         name is lee and we call him shirt free lee and then there's a local prostitute who has dyed
                                         
                                         platinum hair um angry face and we call her platinum pussy and then we have the three, the little group of three that's always wandering around,
                                         
                                         a greyhound, a boy, a man rather, and his girlfriend,
                                         
                                         all of which are really thin, greyhounds of course included,
                                         
                                         and we call them Slim, Skinny, and Stretch.
                                         
                                         And then finally we have the local hippie who works down at the co-op and has lots of an abundance of long kind of smelly dreads,
                                         
                                         but also very big eyes and is always grinning with this kind of dopey, lovely expression
                                         
                                         and sort of in tribute to R.E.M., the Athens favorite.
                                         
    
                                         We call him smellelly Happy People.
                                         
                                         And, yeah, so those are four of our favorites.
                                         
                                         And they're a pretty good crew.
                                         
                                         Keep up the great work.
                                         
                                         Talk to you later.
                                         
                                         Bye.
                                         
                                         Thanks for calling in.
                                         
                                         That was great.
                                         
    
                                         I like the distinction of the local prostitute keeping it local.
                                         
                                         Yeah, yeah, yeah.
                                         
                                         Not some of the out-of-town.
                                         
                                         Not the corporate prostitute. And the local hippie, obviously, keeping it local. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not some of the out of town. Not the corporate prostitute.
                                         
                                         No.
                                         
                                         And the local hippie, obviously, keeping it local.
                                         
                                         But the local prostitute.
                                         
                                         I like shirt-free Lee.
                                         
    
                                         That's slick.
                                         
                                         That was really great.
                                         
                                         Thank you so much for calling in.
                                         
                                         That was the title of my pilot.
                                         
                                         On the last plane that you flew in?
                                         
                                         Yeah.
                                         
                                         Boom!
                                         
                                         Wham!
                                         
    
                                         If you want to call in somebody from your neighborhood,
                                         
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                                         And also your overheards as well,
                                         
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                                         Yeah, and the...
                                         
                                         Now that you boys have run out of guests,
                                         
                                         must we have...
                                         
    
                                         Don't sell yourself short.
                                         
                                         I'm on after you had no guests.
                                         
                                         No, no, no.
                                         
                                         So you chose no guests.
                                         
                                         Every ten episodes or so,
                                         
                                         we're going to have no guests.
                                         
                                         Yeah, and you have an intensive schedule.
                                         
                                         Not just no guests, but double guests,
                                         
    
                                         like return guests.
                                         
                                         Have you had try?
                                         
                                         No, we've never had a no no try no try guests i think
                                         
                                         i got a good feeling about you though yeah yeah this could be the beginning next week no guests
                                         
                                         um what was the other thing that we established earlier in the uh podcast for submission oh i
                                         
                                         don't know oh it was the uh based on the uh blaze bailey. Do you have a Blaze Bailey thing?
                                         
                                         A band?
                                         
                                         If you had to use a band or an actor or a famous person in a commercial,
                                         
    
                                         how would you connect it?
                                         
                                         Is it necessarily baldness?
                                         
                                         Yeah, well, should we keep it to baldness?
                                         
                                         Yeah, why not?
                                         
                                         Why don't you come home, Blaze Bailey?
                                         
                                         If you were going to use any...
                                         
                                         Like if it was...
                                         
                                         You can come up with a quick example.
                                         
    
                                         Judi Dench.
                                         
                                         Dame Judi Dench.
                                         
                                         She was in Casino Royale.
                                         
                                         Sure, yeah.
                                         
                                         And the Quantum of Solace.
                                         
                                         Don't spend your life in solace.
                                         
                                         Get your hair transplanted.
                                         
                                         Yeah, exactly.
                                         
    
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                                         StopPodcastingYourself at gmail.com or call it in 206-339-8328.
                                         
                                         Did you ever hear Shane Koizan's poem that was a love poem and all it consisted of was
                                         
                                         Steven Seagal movie titles?
                                         
                                         No. No's it's really
                                         
                                         good and i think he used every single movie that steven seagal was kind of like a uh a regional
                                         
                                         poet slash genius and he was north america's uh slam poet champion champion at some point i never
                                         
                                         get to see him anymore and it's and he won the big prize on Breaking Bad this year.
                                         
    
                                         Who did he break?
                                         
                                         He broke a series of coconuts with an axe.
                                         
                                         Wow.
                                         
                                         I know.
                                         
                                         And it made a radio.
                                         
                                         Well, thanks a lot for coming on and being our guest.
                                         
                                         Oh, is it over?
                                         
                                         Yeah. If anyone wants to learn more about who Cliff Nesteroff is and what Cliff Nesteroff does.
                                         
    
                                         My primary blog is called classicshowbiz.blogspot.com.
                                         
                                         That's old TV from the 50s, 60s, and 70s.
                                         
                                         And then once a week, I'm on WFMU's Beware of the Blog.
                                         
                                         And about once a month, I write a huge article for WFMU.
                                         
                                         Nice.
                                         
                                         Well, thank you very much for coming in.
                                         
                                         And it was great.
                                         
                                         It was great to have you.
                                         
    
                                         Dave, do you have anything that you want to plug coming up?
                                         
                                         Got any big projects on the horizon?
                                         
                                         Screenplay you're going to get done?
                                         
                                         Well, I'm writing.
                                         
                                         What did I say my pilot was called?
                                         
                                         Oh, Shirt Free Lee.
                                         
                                         Yep.
                                         
                                         Look for Shirt Free Lee as a mid-season
                                         
    
                                         replacement on ABC.
                                         
                                         ABC this fall.
                                         
                                         Or this fall, mid-season.
                                         
                                         After the unusuals.
                                         
                                         So thank you very much everybody for joining us.
                                         
                                         If you did enjoy the podcast,
                                         
                                         please recommend it to your friends.
                                         
                                         Help it grow. Help it flourish like a flower.
                                         
    
                                         And we'll be back here for episode 67 of Stop Podcasting Yourself. I'm going to go to bed.
                                         
