Stop Podcasting Yourself - Episode 967 - Meredith Hambrock

Episode Date: September 29, 2026

Writer Meredith Hambrock joins us to talk novel writing, Lou Bega, and Dateline. Follow us: Instagram, Facebook, Bluesky. Join our Discord. Become a MaxFun member to get all our bonus content.

Hi, he's Dave Shumka. And he's Graham Clark. And together we host, Stop Podcasting Yourself. Woo! Everybody, and welcome to episode number 967 of Stop Podcasting Yourself. My name's Graham Clark. And with me is always as a man who's enjoying a tall can of hop water, Mr. Dave Shumka. Yeah, cleaning out the fridge from all our fun summer drinks and found this bad boy.

Ooh, it's just hops floated in water and then they added bubbles, no calories, no alcohol. perfect for my gym regimen. If there was a beverage that smelled like Subway but didn't taste like Subway, would you buy it? Yeah. Ah, boy, that's a tough one. Because, yeah, like the taste itself is quite refreshing. Because I famously love the smell of Subway. And I wish the food smelled, like tasted as good as it smelled.

I feel like I'm in the minority. A lot of people think it stinks. They're wrong. And the food just doesn't deliver on the promise of the premise. But I don't know if I want that in a drink, but even the smell of a drink. I want my drink to smell like it tastes. Like it tastes. Okay.

Okay. Fair enough. Me and the Willie Wong competition. I do feel like that would, yeah. Snap too many synapses. Our guest today, a first-time guest here on the podcast. She is a writer. She won the Stephen Leacock Award for humor for her book.

She's a lamb. She has her own podcast called The Novel Writers Podcast. It's Meredith Hambrock. Hello. Hello. Thanks for having me. Thanks for being on the podcast. Yeah, long time fan of the pod.

And we know you from years ago. Wow, let's get to know us. Get to know us. Meredith. We've known you for years. Dave and I both met you through. Well, I met you through a show in the ancient. In the 80s.

Yeah. In the 2020. We were on Miami Vice together. And those boats go fast. I lost a lot of hats out there. Yeah. On the side of Miami Vice. We lost a lot of good hats.

Pour one out for the hat. No, don't. Not the hops water. Look, I'll pour it down my gullet. Where did we, was it on a? I think it was called a kid show called Mr. Young. I think, and it was about a kid teacher. It was on YTV.

Yeah. 2012 or 13, maybe. Maybe, yeah. And it was a live... In front of a live studio audience? Wow, just like the Cosby show. And it's funny because when you watch it, you're like, this is hard to watch because it's only chunks of the thing and they're not being shot in order. Oh, when you watch it live.

Live. Yeah, yeah. This is only... It's not fun to watch. So I wouldn't recommend anybody go to a live TV taping. There was a comedian who, his name was Dave. I forget his last name. Jumka.

Yeah, he was just like every week would do these marathon hosting six. It was like six hours and he would keep the kids. Oh, he was like the crowd. Yeah, and he would keep the kids entertained while we were doing different setups. And I was like, that man should get a medal or something because he was so good at it. And sometimes he would turn around and be like, guys, like what's going on? Please, I'm dying. Yeah, yeah.

Like, give me some kind of update. Yeah. Oh, we're just finishing, addressing this set. When I saw Kelly and Ryan Live in New York, it was just Gelman. Gelman would come up in between and get us all. And Kelly did a lot of crowdwork in between. She's good.

She's a real pro. She's great. And I was flying back from Evanton, and I, as a special thing, the guy was flying with, had a pass so he could go in the lounge. Oh. Sorry, this was recent? Yeah, this was yesterday.

And Kelly and Mark was on. Oh, okay. I'm going to say they were in the last. Oh, my God, Dare to Dream. They love, she goes, she loves Vancouver Airport. Does she? She always posts about it. Really?

Because he shot Riverdale here. Oh. Okay. Yeah. Well, it is a nice airport. Yeah, it is a nice airport. Let's privatize it. Yeah, you're going to have to pay $2, put it in a tunie,

and then you can look at the nice airport. The Fowlery fish. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's a question. I really don't know the answer to it. Does the airport close or is it always open because flights come up whenever? Yeah, I don't think the doors ever lock. Are that crazy?

I've slept in an airport. Not the Vancouver airport, but I have before. Yeah. Maybe you get like abandoned there. But I feel like a small town airport might close. Like we were last flight of the day was it came in at four in the afternoon. Let's go to the bar and get wasted. There's nowhere else to go.

Are you... I feel like I didn't hear what... Oh, you just... Oh, they were doing something so silly, and I was just like, how many silly things she had to do on that show? Oh, my God. Halloween used to be the best.

They were dressed Regis up. They were both wearing, like, you know, things you stick your face through to get a picture taken. Yeah. But they were baby costumes, and they were, like, kicking the legs. And I was like... She seemed to be having the time of her life.

I feel like that is the greatest job in the world. You get millions of dollars. Your whole life is to go out to dinner and like tell them to tell stories the next day. Oh, it was a dinner the other night and you'll never guess who was there. Charles Groton. You don't drive. Someone drives you drive you everywhere. That's true.

I think you have to get up really early. That's the only bad thing I've ever heard. But then you're done by 11. That's true. And then you're like, I'm going to go to bed at 5 p.m. Yeah. Yeah. And then like you get a lion.

on podcasts around the world. Yeah. She rules. She's got to stay happy. Now, you've worked on a lot of TV shows. Yeah. Those are early mornings. That's...

Yeah. Well, we were... It was sort of different because we were on this. We shot in a studio. This is Mr. Young? Yeah, Mr. Young. And then there's another one called Some Assembly Required about kids

who, like, run a toy factory. Did you guys both write on this show? You came in to do punch up. I was a punchout. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I was like kind of the assistant.

and then they'd throw me some writing sometimes. But, yeah. I felt like the writers thought I was a lot funnier than what made it into the script. I feel like I was really cracking everybody up, but they were like, okay, back to writing now. Well, because I know you because Graham and I both did punch up on Corner Gas animated. Yeah, the best job ever. I mean, punchup certainly is. Yeah.

No, it was so much fun. You go in, you get paid well, you get breakfast, you go home early. No. You make. jokes for a couple hours. Meredith's on the ones and twos. Just being like, oh, I'm going to pretend to type that one down.

Well, no, you'll say something and it gets a laugh. And then it goes through the room and then, but Brent Butt doesn't laugh and you're like, oh, he's still searching for a better thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know. It's tough. And I think kind of an awkward job if you're coming in because the writers have written all these jokes and then someone is like,

they're not good enough, so we need these comedians and make them better. But I don't know. Like the kids shows were fun, though, because we'd never had to shoot outside. Yeah, that was like... A corner gas animated was brutal. Oh, yeah, no, definitely. I mean, we never had to shoot.

Yeah, we never had to shoot at all on that one. We just ate a lot of brunch and... So, and the brunch was so good. Oh, it was so good. And, like, the hours were, oh, a brunch was just like, let's go home for us. And he's the best. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

Great, backpacks and coats. I used my backpack for years. Yeah. Oh, sweet backpack. And then you became, you wrote episodes. Yes, I did, yeah. Moved up in the chain. I muscled my way up, my Macavillion ways, yeah.

So how many episodes? How many apps? Oh, gosh. I co-wrote a bunch with Brent and Andrew Carr. And, oh, gosh, maybe total like eight. Oh, wow. And then I did a few solo ones. I got to write one that featured a wrestler named Lance Fury.

Oh, yeah. Lance Storm, I think it's his real life one. We named him Lance Fury. I was like, searching my brain. I was like, wait, which is the real one? And then in the interim or in, not in the interim, you wrote, you've written two books? Yeah, I've had two books published. That's crazy.

Yeah. No, it's really cool. Whoa, whoa, you corrected him. Yes, I've written other books for sure. How many books are you written? Oh, gosh. I think over the years, maybe like five or six. Really?

Yeah, I mean, it's really hard to write a book. It doesn't sound like. Well, you know, okay, now, it's easy to write a book. It's hard to get a write a book that's publishable and can compete, I guess, as sort of the, yeah, kind of the problem is finding, like, the right editor and publisher and I have a bit of a strange, odd, I guess, taste a little bit, maybe. So, yeah, so it took me a while, but, yeah, I published my first book in 2022. It's called Other People's Secrets.

Oh, yes. Yeah, and it's about kind of like a wild child staff at a summertime resort. And they, the resort is sort of like, I don't know, it's kind of crappy, I guess, for lack of a better word. And they decide they want, or there's a new owner comes and buys it and she wants to like turn it into like a hipster spa. And they kind of get a little empire records about it and they decide they want to save the resort. And then they kind of uncover some secrets about the place they work. It's sort of a thriller, kind of dark comedy. Cool.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was cool. Where do you get your ideas? Oh, man, I don't know. It's usually something I think is sort of funny or I'm kind of, my second book was I was working as an usher at the arts club here in Vancouver. I saw you Usch once. Yeah, I, oh, really? Yeah, we were seeing Matilda.

Oh, no, I love that one. That was really good. What shows did you get to see? Oh, gosh. I saw, I worked there for like four years. I saw a lot of them. Matilda was a real high point, though. That one's good.

That one's really, really good. That one's a low point. Yeah. Oh, I can't say it. I don't know what it be mean. I, oh, gosh. No, there was like, I don't know. It was, I worked a lot of, the musicals were fun to a certain point.

Like, you watch them over and over again. Yeah. And then they get in your mind. Like, I think I could do Billy Elliott just by myself. Like, if somebody was like, because I could do the dance moves. Yeah. Like, it just, you see them over. over again. So I, we were, but it's also kind of fun when you're, when you've seen a play like

so many times when something goes wrong. Yeah. It kind of goes wrong on stage and there's like tension and sometimes. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You're just like, because we know, but maybe the audience doesn't know. Yeah. But the best example of that was in, uh, Beauty and the Beast, like, Gaston's wig would always fall off, like his wig would fall off and then just sit on the stage like in the middle of the stage and the play with the musical will keep going. And then we just have to sit there way and be like, who's going to be the hero tonight and, like, figure out how they're going to like... Get in their chip. I know. The lady as the dresser would come out and, like, flap her arms sort of and, like,

grab in and, like, run off. So I was always, like, really, I loved when things went wrong just because it's sort of boring when you've watched it, like, 20 times. Well, that's the, like, I've never, um, I never had a job where you got to... I've had jobs as, like, security where, like, you'd see one thing once. But I've never seen like multiple shows or... I remember we did a high school. We did a play in high school and there were... We did like two performances of it and they split one of the roles into two actresses.

So one actress played one night. The other played the next night. And this one who played the one night, she forgot all her lines. Like she totally blank. No. Or like she skipped. Oh, God. Like this 10 minute scene, she like, she like,

skipped like eight minutes of it. And so the scene just ended earlier. And I was like, that's you. That's what we planned? What we did for weeks? This was your one performance. And you chopped out 80% of it. That's brutal.

You live, that would live on for you forever. You would never forget about that. Well, I was like, I've been to play tomorrow night too. You're not. I mean, I never said to this to this person. You got to kill. Oh, yeah, but it was fun to watch something over and over again. It also sort of drives you nuts.

And I was kind of just like, at a time of my life, I was like a little bummed out. And we were going to this production of the Sound of Music. And I was like, uh, maybe I'll write a book about someone who, like, wants to steal the, like, lead role in the sound of music. But she has to, like, look after the kid actors. Because that came from being an usher? That came from being an usher. Yeah. And watching these shows over and over again.

I like kind of doing a weird, like, you know, I'm watching the show. I'm going to write about the show. I don't know. I just kind of made me a little more excited to go to work. And there's also, like, when you have, like, a show with a lot of kids in it, they hire these, like, babysitters to kind of just, like, keep them, like, you know, on track and, like, kind of be the people looking out for them. Because it's, like, a room full of adults and you don't want these kids to get hurt or anything like that. And so that's the new book?

Yeah, that's called, it's called She's a Lamb. And it's very funny. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. It's very much the, it's in the, you're in the mind of this very ambitious actress. See, this is like, something else. Yeah.

So this is, like, my publisher was really, like, mad at me. Like, they're so disappointed because I wrote a book called she's a lamp. And it's about a lady who goes to IKEA and drink some magic Lingenberry potion. It comes a lamp. I can see how maybe not. It's like you're not very existential, a little, like. Yeah. Yeah.

Her name's Susan Scants. So she's like a lamp, but she wishes she was a sconce. Is that kind of the, or no? No, she was a person. It's just all like light fixture kind of. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And then she turns into a, yeah, a lamp, light fixture, scots kind of thing.

But like a lamp that can still talk? Yeah. And then actually, oh, boy, you mentioned Beauty and the Beast. Everyone at IKEA. is like a singing piece of furniture. Do they sing in English or Swedish? French. Oh, wow.

Oh, wow. Okay, wow. Yeah. Can the narrator be that little cartoon guy that shows you that he's happy or sad? Yeah, yeah, and he's on the phone with customer service. I love that little guy. Oh, man. A little pencil.

Oh, yeah, you can have a song that's just the, like, numbers and the codes. Oh, man. I got to go to IKEA. Yeah. You got to get a new publisher. This is gold. This is this goal? There should be a musical, actually, I think.

My book's good at your books lunch. No, no. Yeah, because you're, the main character in the book has, like, she thinks she's entitled to the lead and then gets stuck babysitting these little brats. Yes, what she thinks is beneath her, which, you know, whatever. But, yeah, so she's very determined. And then, yeah, but she's fixated on a goal and we'll stop it. nothing.

And so it was just kind of fun to watch her lay waste. Also, my book won the Stephen Peacock Award. God damn it. For bad books. Wait. Your book hasn't even been published yet. Okay. You said it didn't.

Well, at least it didn't win the Stephen Poocock. That's the really bad one. It's got that medallion on the book that you can get. Oh, God. Does yours have a medallion on it? I did. I got... Is there a medallion edition?

There are, I think, just maybe in Ontario. I took a photo with the medallion. I don't know where you get the stickers. But I think I can ask me publisher to, like, Photoshop it on. Okay. Yeah. For the internet. So this is the award you won.

It's a yearly award. Yeah. The annual literary humor prize in Canada. Yeah. Yeah, it's been, and it's our oldest literary prize, been going on for like 80 something years. He's a guy that used to write the humorous. Yes, he wrote these, like, in the 1920s,

he wrote these, they're called, his famous book is called Sunshine Sketches from a Little Town, and he lived in Arrelia, Ontario, and he was sort of like making fun of the town, but then when people would ask, is this about us, he'd be like, absolutely not. Like, no, of course. Get over yourself.

Never. And a million years would have to be about you. And they were like, no. This is about Tilsonberg. Leave me alone. Yeah, exactly. And then you'd be like, no, they'd be like, but this barber seems like me. He's like, no, it's not.

But then apparently we'd have these like big parties at his house. And he would be like, come on over for a party. And let me hear about. Yeah, your life details. Let me get your balls sauced up. Yeah. And then apparently every night at 10 at night, he would get up and like go to bed. He would just leave.

He'd be like, well, you can keep partying. I'm going to bed. I got an. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to go ahead with my big notebook. Don't worry. It's nothing to do with you guys. Exactly.

That would be a kind of an interesting way to kind of like source if you just had microphones all over the house and you just left and left people to their own devices. I would be like, oh, everyone in town hates me. What do you're talking about? How shitty I am. You deserve the Stephen Pukok Award. I guess that's what I'm going to write about. But yeah, like, I think when your first book came out, there was a bio that said an idea for another book that you had about a woman lying up. Have I got this completely wrong in my head?

Oh, yeah, that one I didn't go anywhere. But I do have. But you wrote it. I wrote like part of it. Oh, okay. Yeah, publishing is sort of weird. You can like kind of try and sell like a partial manuscript to somebody. And then it's, you know, they look at sales date and stuff.

But we don't have to talk about that. But the idea was really good. Yeah. It was about a woman who makes up a boyfriend, right? Is it, do I have this? Oh. She makes up a boyfriend. Then one morning she wakes up and he's there.

Oh, no. That's a, that's a TV show I tried to sell. Oh, okay. Which I also could not sell. Yeah. But I did try to sell that. Well, that's. And it's kind of, it's like her mom is like, she's in a, her mom is in an amateur theater

troop and she was trying to mess with her, basically. Oh, I see it. Twist around. Yes, exactly. and then I kind of have a back and forth. Yeah, no, that I always have. I'm hiring you for this job. You might have to have sex with my daughter, but.

Yeah, he's like, okay. Graham, do you think you could write a novel? No, he couldn't write anything. Every time I read a novel, I'm like, I could do this. And then it turns out I can't even read it off. Turns out it gets 75% of the way in. No. I'm intrigued by She's a Lamp.

Honestly, I think you should keep thinking about it. I think it could be like a also site-specific. theater. Okay. Is it an IKEA? Yeah, in an IKEA. There's a horror, there's a horror novel, I guess, and it's called Horror Store, and it's like an IKEA catalog that you buy.

But it's a book, and it has, like, pictures and stuff that look very IKEA-esque. I love that. Yeah, it's really cool. What was the one publication? I'm going to screw this up. Was it McSweeney's, where it come in a different form every month? Yeah, they still do that. I just got one for them.

McSweeney? Yeah, it's like McSweeney's the literary magazine. Because they have a lot of little publishing things that they do. Yeah. But they just put one out. That's like a Lisa Frank binder. I don't know if you guys are going to know that. Oh, I know.

Yeah, big 80s, 90s. It has like a dolphin on the front and then you like open it. It's got a. You know Lisa Frank? I don't think I do. It's very, I mean. It's very dolphin-y. It's what like a girl in elementary or like middle school.

Is it like would have a Velcro flap on it? This did this like they did a sort of and then you opened it and there was all these sort of Lisa Frank themed like um it's fair like this kind of like uh oh yeah okay cartooning psychedelia yeah so yeah they would come out i mean there's one that came out that was like a menu and one was like different parts of something it's one of these things there's like wouldn't it be cool if we did this and then they didn't it seems like so much work there was a very funny McSweeney's article in the last couple days about How Ryan Lewis has been so suspiciously quiet. James McElmore thing. Oh, man. I haven't thought about him. But yeah. No, I don't think I could write a book.

I don't even know if I could land a short story, to be perfectly honest. Well, you could start small. I never know. Yeah, really short story. Yeah, yeah. I know this is probably a really sad one. It's like, just a few words. Uh-oh.

I think I've heard this movie. And then you add your own twist to it, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Never worn by a robot. Zeebsorpe. Just take an idea. Everybody knows. Yeah, if you're a robot.

Have you written a movie? Oh, yeah. I have, I just don't know if I can talk about it because I have, like, film people are very much. Backed it up. I know. I'm in mind it. Yeah.

No, I have something in development. But I have another book that is going to come out in 2028. Okay. And it's about a young woman who is possessed by her IUD. Oh, my God. You took my idea for my short story. Why 2028? Why?

I want it now. Publishing is really slow. So I'm finishing here. Yeah, I think that they have to chop the trees down. I have to choose the trees. Oh, what are you going to go with? Oak, pine? Hmm.

Yeah, definitely. I'm going to go cross-section. Heavy on the maple, though, because I have maple bugs in my house, and so maple trees are on. What do you mean you have maple bugs in your house? Well, I don't actually really know what's going on. I just know that there's these bugs in Saskatoon called maple bugs, and they come into your house and they chew your screens. Oh, okay. I think that's what's happening. They don't chew your maple, though.

Oh, I think they come from the maple tree. They're not eating your screens. They're not eating your house. No, they're not eating. I hope not. Yeah, just your screens. Like your screen door? Like, yeah.

Or your TV screen. No, that would be a problem. Or your iPad. Yeah. There's a book idea. The book's eating your TV. You've got a lot of good stuff going on here. Oh, my God.

My kids are just screens. Screen doors. They just keep opening and closing. Opening and closing. Yeah. Yeah, tell me about my kid is doing. No, no. You don't understand.

Are you, so you live in Saskatoon. I live in Saskatoon, have maple bugs eating my screen door. How long have you lived there? Are you from there? No, I moved there in 2020. I was going through a breakup and I needed a job because breakups are expensive. And they have a writer in residence position at the library there. Oh, cool.

For nine months, you kind of sit in the library for a certain number of hours a week and people can come and, like, get advice from you or talk or whatnot. Yeah. Yeah. And did people use you? Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I met tons of cool people. And you're just like reading, you know, you read their work. You kind of see what people are up to. I'm like very nosy. So I like love seeing what people are doing. Yeah. Yeah. Do they have a laminator? A laminator? I'm just wondering what they have in the library. They probably do. I don't think I fully use the library to it. I was in like the local history near the local history section.

Okay. I would sometimes wander over there, look at maps and stuff. Probably a pretty quiet section of the library. Yes. Yes. Yes. And well, we have. also had all of the, like, video games. Oh, there you go. Yeah. So sometimes, like, teens would run and be like, whoa, like really excited. Whoa, they got Frogger.

Yeah. What kind of, like, uh, like all kinds of people come and. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have a bit of a code of honor. I can't, like, talk specifics or anything about it. But, um, yeah, people will just like, they're like, I'm working on these poems.

Can you read them and give you feedback or like, don't laugh. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, don't laugh. Totally. They're all about Jennifer. I'm obsessed with Jennifer. No, I'm not changing her name in the poem. I want her to know it's about her.

Exactly, yeah. Yeah, or like, so I had a guy who had written some, like, films. So I read his scripts and kind of did that. And then you do sort of, you got to go to. They were good, yeah. Doesn't sound like it. Oh, no. They're going to retroactively take away my writer-in-residence job.

No, they were, yeah, there was a lot of. fun stuff. And then you go to schools, which was the scariest part for me because teenagers are terrifying. Right? You go to schools and have to do like a magic show? I wish I could do magic. I think I would do like a presentation that I kind of cooked

up like a, like this is how they break story at Pixar. So we'll do that. But then if they were losing me, I'd say I'd drop, name drop Mr. Young sometimes because they were like of the age where they were like, oh, I watched that show. And then they would ask me questions about that and then I could leave after because I was just

I was so scared. I was like, something's going to happen. How much time do I need to fill? Yeah, I know. Yeah. I know Paskas, Charlie DeMeres, he had the creator of the debaters, Richard Seid, speak to his class when he was teaching a comedy writing class. And Richard Seid said that he was an elf.

That was the rest of the class. It was just like, what was it like to be an elf? Tell us more about the forced perspective they use to get Will Ferrell to look so big. Well, in Elf, the elves look pretty Elf. They do look pretty Elf. They hired a lot of Elfie-looking guys. Yeah. Yeah.

And ladies. Good. Just my type. Smash the tiny glass ceiling. So do you like living in Saskatoon? Yeah, you know, it seasons are actually nice. I lived in Vancouver for 18 years. And, you know, it is nice to not have a winter code.

But then I moved there, I was like, you know, the snow is actually kind of pretty. Yeah. It is kind of nice. It does get, like, when it goes on and on and on, and it's like April and it's still snowing, that's when you're like, oh, I got to get out of here for a little while. Got to go, like, see some sunshine and like. Way to go, Cancun? Yeah. Oh, I wish.

Last year, I was like, I was, I booked a lot of work stuff in April. My boyfriend came here and he went biking and got a sunburn. And I was like, don't talk to me. Like, I don't want to hear it. He's like, but it hurts. I was like, good. I hope it hurts Yeah

Where did you Where did you grow up Toronto Nice Yeah But I came out here When I was 18 And then I was like

Oh this is awesome It's so This is the best city It's so nice It's good Yeah But I do like Saskatoon

I'm like a long time Because it's like Like the Berlin Of the prairie That's what they say Oh yes Yeah That's word for word

Yeah There's a river Yeah Bridges galore. Yeah, lots of bridges. What's the river called? South Saskatchewan River, I think. Where's the Saskatoon River?

No, wait. What's the one in Edmonton? That's the north, I think that's the North Saskatchewan River. Saskatchewan. Yeah, yeah. There's a Saskatoon River. There's a Saskatoon Berry. Yes, there is a Saskatoon Berry, which is like, it's not bad.

I feel like it's a little overrepresented for how good it is. Are you, like, out in the kind of suburban area, you close to the city? I'm in, I'm close to university because I do a little, I work there sometimes, and I do a little bit of editing and a press there. And so I can walk to work. There's like a little office there and stuff. So I like to be in the thick of things. But yeah, there is like a big kind of sprawl. Yeah. I also like riding my bike around it and just like in circles. That's nice. Yeah. Yeah. It's nice down. You should come to Art Bar and do stand-up. There's new comedy club there. Have you heard about this? Art Bar. Yeah. I know the people who run it. Yeah. They're really cool. Yeah, it wasn't there the last time I was there. Yeah, I think like 2023 maybe they opened or 2024? Yeah, live podcasts there as well. Yeah, but before that, before that spot existed, the art bar, which is, if we ever went back?

We would, we played the Broadway theater. Yeah, well, first we played their little annex. Yeah, and that was a wild success. And they were like, we're putting you in the big theater. And then they were like, damn it. Why do we put them in the big thing? They were so good in the edits. I think that might be one of Brentbutt's like first theater shows or something he was telling me.

At the Broadway? At the Broadway, I think. Don't quote me. I will quote. Yeah. No, I don't know. And you would now have a podcast called the novel writer's podcast about writing novels. It's like when you were describing that people would come to you at the library with writing.

I don't know what you would call it. Advice? Yeah, I guess so. Support. Support's a good word. Is that what the podcast is? Is it or are you? You know what?

Okay. So when you write books, you're just sitting at home alone all the time and I was like, I'm getting weird. Like, I'm not getting out enough and like. Writing my bike in circles. Exactly.

Yeah. I got to do more stuff. So I got my friend who is more successful than me. She's like, she's written, I think, like, and published 16 novels. Yeah. She's like very prolific.

And she also writes more kind of like commercial leading books. Like mine are pretty weird and hers are more kind of mainstream. What's your name? Shut her out. Brianna Lubascus. She's very cool. She writes historical fiction and thrillers. And so we're like, why don't we start a podcast where we talk about like I have a more literary sensibility?

She is a more kind of commercial one. And we just talk about how you write books. And yeah. What kind of sensibility do I have? Sense. Sense. Yeah. Since.

Yeah. Sensibility. Sense for sure. Yeah. And so, like, do you have a guest on? We had our agent on. I wish. I wish.

Like, did you really eat that many eggs every day? Gaston? I need to know. That hon to me. That's a novel show. Please, keep it to my work. No one writes like Gaston. No one fights like gas on.

No one stops around wearing boots like Gaston, which I disagree. I love to stop around wearing boots. Maybe we have a stomp off. Stomp the yard. We are, we are, we're only done about like 11 episodes. We brought our agent on, our shared literary agent to chat just because we're like, oh, this is like a friendly person that we talk to all the time. Sure. But we're trying to figure out how to do guests and like what we, because there's a lot of author interview podcasts out there.

We want to be more like. We tried to get our agent on this show, but he's like, let's do lunch. Yeah. And he was also like. You get lunch? Yeah. It's like, I tried to book you into the Broadway theater. Look what you did.

Coming on your podcast. We are doing a live podcast. I think it sold out, though. Where is he in Vancouver? I think at the Biltmore Cabaret. Oh. The Biltmore Cabernet. Oh, delicious.

Cabernet souvenir. Mm-hmm. And so, Like, did you have an idea for writing a book long before you wrote a book? Or did you think of a thing? And you're like, I'm going to write a book right away. Yeah, I like to kind of like take some time and think about it because I used to not think about it. And then the books were bad and no one wanted to publish them.

I'm sure. I've spent some time really thinking about this. So I don't waste like two years of my life on something bad. So, yeah, definitely trying to think a bit more. I have a book agent. I've been working now. Like, I work with, she works with me for. Imagine only wasting two years of your life on something bad.

I know. No. What are you talking about? And yeah, so I have an agent now. I can just be like, do you think this sucks? Then she'll be like, yes. I'm doing it anyway. Yeah.

Or she'll just be like, here are some gentle thoughts, like some. This makes me want to say that it sucks. I feel like when you make a book, write a book like this, it makes me feel. Like you hate me. Why did you name the agent after me? Why is she a bitch? Hey, is this all the art of these all about me? I told you my IUD possessed me in confidence.

It's about an agent who's a bitch. Well I have a few thoughts What if the agent was nice For once Dave, what's going on with you, my friend? Oh well, not a heck of a lot I'm writing, she's a lamp

She's a lamp as a winner I can't wait Well, Well, oh boy, hey, remember. Never mind. What? Well, I went to the foot doctor. Okay.

I have this big, I don't want to say it. I bleeped it last time because it's such a gross thing of what's growing on my toe. Oh. You've got something growing on your toe. There's development down there. Is it like a bug or something? No, it's a... Oh, okay.

That's why you bleeped it. Boring. And it's been a year of trying to get someone to do something about it. I went to a, it doesn't bother me that much, but it's like, I'd like get dealt with. You want to wear a flip-flop? No, flip-flop might make it worse. Oh, really? Because he gets right between those toes.

Oh, wow. Okay. I was picturing like another toe growing off of the toes. Well, do you want to have a look? So they sent me, the doctor. The doctor sent me to a dermatologist, and the dermatologist sent me to a podiatrist. Podiatry not covered under MSP. What?

They're in the same family as chiropractors. What? Really? Oh. He went to one, and he was the best. A podiatrist. Yeah, he was so funny. I feel like podiatry probably attracts, like, some pretty funny people.

He was hilarious. This guy was more of a jock. Let's throw the ball around. He's like, catch this basketball. And then we could talk. But he looked at it and he was like, well, why don't we start with this tape? There's this kind of tape that, well, it's very popular in veterinary medicine. Oh, you're getting puppy tape on your job.

I'll just, we'll wrap it up and then. We're going to give you some medication for some worms as well. And then he, so he wrapped it up and then he was like, well, the other option is surgery. and that would be like this, and we would go to the hospital. Let's see how the tape works. It's this stuff. It's sort of a veterinary tape. He brought up the fact that it was a veterinary tape many times.

Because he's like, don't go to another podiatrist and ask for this because they won't have this. But you can go to your vet. Yeah, you throw another roll of a puppy tape. Yeah. And if I'd wrap your toe a little too tight, you might start woofing. Woffing. barking. It's a vaguenator.

Yeah. Moving. So that guy's great. Toes doing great. Is it doing great? I don't know. It's wrapped up. I haven't had a look.

Okay. But he got a free roll of tape. Nice. 80% of my coverage of my visit was covered by Abby's insurance. Oh, nice. Excellent. I love it. And the other thing, another thing that's going on is Graeme and I did a show the other day.

We did past guest, Alice. Ent Whistles Taskmaster themed show. Oh, I think I saw an ad for this and I was like, is it taskmaster? No. Technically it's not.

It's not. It's not. It's not. It's a own thing. They were given a cease and desistice. They were ceased and desisted. Okay. But it was very fun.

Yeah, it was very fun. Big crowd. Big crowd. Small room, small stage. Too many people on a small stage. Too many people on a small stage. It was that there was a, a, TV screen that both Dave and I had to sit basically under.

Yeah. Well, behind. Yeah. And there was a, these maple bugs were eating the screen. Oh, my God. They were everywhere. The bugs. And one of the challenges was to bring in a present to welcome the fall.

Yeah. But welcome, help Ali welcome the fall. Oh. And I brought in a stack of duo tangs and these Halloween molasses candies. Oh, yeah. I love them. Graham loves them. That's fantastic.

Duo tangs are great. Do you have? How many do you own? Oh, man. I actually do have one. I used one recently for a event I was doing. Yeah. I was like, this is, I'm happy to be holding this.

Yeah. Duo tangs are like a, for non-Canadians. They're like a paper folder with sort of. What are those things called? Brass. Brad's? Brads? Brads?

I don't think they're brads. They're brads. The other brass chats. They're like. Brad is like a little nail that you can hang a picture on, I think. Oh, I think they call them the script when you have like a TV script. Isn't that a Brad? I think that might be a Brad.

So it's sort of like that. Maybe that's a Brad. Maybe it is. Okay, it's a Brad. I have one duetang in my house and it houses an entire set of like 1990s pro bowling trading cards. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's the one duetang I have in my house.

Do you have the guy who said, who's like yelling at the crowd? Who do you think you are? I have that guy. Do you have him? I should check if I have him. He rules. Has he been around?

He must have been around in the 90s to be there. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What if it turned like, what if we looked him up and he sucked at bowling? Oh. That was the only thing he ever won was the most. He just started juicing.

And he was like, now I can really get. these prigs. I wonder if that would help. Deroids? Cereoids, yeah. Well, maybe, like, if you find the ball very heavy. Yeah. And also, the aggression, you know, could probably, could only help.

Yeah, you need to really focus that rage. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a sport for hulks. Yeah. So we, but I ate a couple of these molasses candies and they, they're fine, but the molasses flavor, ooh, it sticks with you.

Yeah. Sticks to your tongue. And these are like, they're a lot softer than the ones, the days of yours, which were like real teeth challenging. You know what? I'm going to put it in my pockets and soften it up. Yeah. That's a good. That's like a tip.

I'm going to do the same thing. We're going to enjoy it later. You want one? Want one for your pocket? Yeah, yeah. There you go. This is important. Yeah, they're delicious.

And it shows fun they made us all do a karaoke song. Yeah, there were five challenges. One was to do a karaoke song blindfolded so you don't see the word. Oh. And you don't know what song it is until the opening bars of the song. And you're like, how many beats of gung, gung, before you start singing Mabo number five? Yeah, to sing Mamo number five. Oh, really?

How to go? What are the names of all those? I actually think I could do that. Like, if you, yeah. Really? Oh, totally. Close your eyes. Put on a karaoke track.

Here it goes. Oh, no. Okay. Give me a minute. Yeah, remember this was you who say yourself up for this. You know, I really, that was like my name. number one Spotify song on here. Your number one what?

Like, you know what they do on Spotify? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But you know who else can't stop listening to that song? Who? Stephen King. Really? Oh, yeah, I did hear that.

Oh, my gosh. And his wife was going to divorce this because he, yeah. It's like, I think there is something to having something on in the background that is repetitive. It makes you focus, maybe, or something. It's funny that the thing is moment or, Yeah, that's insane, especially when you think about what he's cooking up on the laptop. All the characters are the characters from the song.

Oh, Rita. What's happening to... Sandra and Rita. Monica. And he's like, as they died, they kept getting sweet. Well, you know that line. Yeah, here we go. Oh, we're actually doing it.

We aren't. You are. Okay. What song did you do? Bad to the bun. Pat to the bum. Oh, that's a good one. Oh, I have to do it.

Yep. Dave will keep tapped on how good you are doing. Wait, wait. Sorry, can we start again? I just wasn't ready. This is a very farty remit. Okay. Okay.

I don't know. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Molotovna. No, I was fine. Pick up the bass. Okay, wait, hold on. I'm going to get back in it. One, two, three, four, five. Everybody.

in the cast will come on let's ride to the liquor store around the own head of boys that I want some gin and juice but I really don't want to feel buzz like that last week Wow! No, no, you're great, you're great. Sandra and read it.

Now I was like, No again, Sveeta. Oh, no, I lost it. No, so the problem is, I don't know any of them. I realized. You didn't know any of it? I know the chorus.

Yeah. Okay. But you're killing it. Well, you know. But, like, you, you did great. But, like, because this is my first time seeing the lyric since I did it. Yeah. And I'm like, wow.

Not even close. I didn't know there was a beer bust or whatever. You were nailing it. I was definitely fudts in some of it. But this was one of my, like, hyper fixation songs. Really? Yeah. Before I even heard the Stephen King thing.

But you're right. What else is on your list? Oh, gosh. Oh, I could do the whole, like, Will Smith, any of that. Oh, sure. Genging with it, Miami. Oh, sure. Yeah.

And you think Big Willie style. Yeah, totally. Yeah. He was a role model. I feel like I can sing along to a lot of songs, but I don't think I can sing the song without. You know how Obama puts out a list of books every year that he likes? What if he just did songs and it was just MoMA number five and Big Willie style? Yeah.

I'm still in the 90s. He does do songs, though. They're just like, yeah, he does music, but it's like cool. Yeah. I feel like maybe he asks his kids. Oh, sure. Yeah. He has like Kendrick Lamar.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, good. Talk to Lou Bega. Yeah. What is he up to? Yeah. I think he's running away with this song.

I looked him up before. His name, his real name is David Lubega. Oh. Like one word. So it's Lou Bega's his last name. Yeah. Oh, interesting. But without an O.

L-U-B-E-G-A. You know? Let's see what he's up to. Murdered F-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-E-B-B-B-R- Murdered. Oh, no. Oh, no. I take it back. I can't sing it.

He's Bavarian. Okay. That's a surprise, actually. Really? Mm-hmm. He's sort of a Cuban vibe in his... Bavarian is German. Yeah, he's from Munich.

Oh, okay. He's from Munich? Yeah. Wow. His favorite movie? Munich. His favorite clothing? Tunic.

David, oh, wait, now, Lubega is his middle name, apparently, according to this new one. David Lubega. Balametsi. Balametsi. Now batting for the Yankees. Lubiga Balametsi. Born in West Germany to an Italian mother and a Ugandan father. Okay.

Wow. Yeah. Real world citizen. Yeah. That's how he was able to meet all those women. This is where he learned how to Mambo in Germany. The famous German mombo. Yeah, classic.

Let's just check out his discography. Oh, remember. I wonder if our website's still up. Lou Bega baby names? Oh, yeah. Do you know that we have this thing? Oh, God, maybe. I don't know.

What is it? Like, it was a, it's called the Lou Began baby names generator. And it would be you type in. Yeah, it's still there. And then it says a little bit of Rolando. Oh. And if you hit the thing, it makes the sound, right? I don't know if the sound still works.

I think maybe someone hacked it. Oh, no. A little bit of Kotzi. Oh, wow. So they're just names that you're looking for a name or something. You know what? This is actually, I'm going to show this out on my, because naming characters in a book is actually really hard.

Yeah, and I think the person just took like a database of names. I'm sorry, I don't remember the name of the person who did this. Probably 15 years ago for us. Thank you for keeping it up. And then occasionally it will, I'll just reload it. A little bit of Duke. A little bit of Nessa. Oh, there it is.

A little bit of Dracul. And Louvega. The screen goes red and Louvega is fangs. That's good. That's an evil eyebrow. That is good. And then back to normal. Like Delilah.

Now I'm just thinking about a Dracula doing Mama number five at karaoke. Right. Right. Right. And these are all the ladies that he's seduced. You didn't have a beer bust. He had a blood buzz. Oh, I'm oppressed.

I couldn't nail bad to the bone. The only thing I know is that it, And the song goes, Bub, but, but bad, bear into the boat. Well,

there's, so in the song, um, uh, is from the, it talks about when he was born. Yeah. Like,

verse one is about, the day was, I, the day I was born, I know that's the first, the nurses all gathered around that gazed with wide wonder at the joy they had found. The head nurse spoke up.

Leave this one alone. She could tell right away. He's back to the bone. My sister, when she was a baby. When she was in nursing school. No, she would be in like a car seat.

being like put on back to the bone and she would just scream until they would do my parents that's so funny i didn't yeah as soon as that they played because i was the first one up and i didn't really know what the segment was and uh they played that opening der na na na na i was like fuck like i don't know any of this song that one's hard to know when to get into yeah yeah oh i want to be yours pretty baby i know that one yours and yours alone and then emily woods yeah she did um unwritten by Natasha Beth. He did every single word. I could do that.

I could do that, no problem. And then Kevin Vidal did a Mr. Brightside. So they were all getable. They were all getable, yeah. So mine apparently, I didn't realize what a tongue twister the words were. Let's check on these candies. Oh, yeah. Oh, boy, it's hot in here.

I think mine needs to cook a little longer. Yeah, me too. Mine's still a little hard. Well, since my mouth is full of candy, what's going on with you? Well, speaking of shows, the fringe festival is on. So there's a lot of concept shows going on. And one of the ones, his past guest, Alanna Brittany, has a period cramp simulator. Oh, cool.

And so she has both men and women on the show. The women are just doing spots. And all the men have to wear this simulator and do their set as it increases in severe. And what are the levels? And also what is the machine? Like it's, you put clamps on your nipples. Which they didn't, they didn't say to do that. And I did it myself.

This is part of the experience for me. Little, you know, like electric kind of rubber things that have kind of a goop on them. Like you'd wear like a heart monitor. Okay. Like nodes. Yeah, like a node. And you put it on your show. You put it kind of where the like muscles just like you go below your belly button just above kind of your beltline like that kind of muscle.

Oh, your cum gutters. Yeah, you're come gutters. Exactly. I didn't want to be indelicate, but. And then, yeah, like every, all the guys had that. And then you like plug them into the machine. and she increases. Wait, all the men at the same time?

Or is it? No, one at a time. Okay, it's not like a chain of pangonga line of. That would be pretty funny. But it starts at one and then slowly over your time on stage, it gets up to 10. And they say it can even go beyond 10, which I think I could have gone beyond 10 personally. But I was done with doing jokes. What is the sensation?

It's like, I guess. Yes, it probably isn't the same. Have you had a period yet? Maybe one day. I'm turning 40 next year, so it could be the year. But I want to know, have any women that were that you talked, you tried it and were they like, it's the same feeling? Yeah, I think Alana had done it.

She said it's comparable in the, not necessarily a feeling, but in the pain level and just the general, like, discomfort of it. And I mean, if that's representative of my hats off to the ladies, it's very difficult. And so you were doing a, like, so you started at one. How long was your set supposed to be? I think, like six minutes. And you were. You had a safe word if you wanted out.

You were able to get to 10? I got to 10. And were you like, like, writhing around? Yeah. No, I. Hold it over on stage. No, I managed to keep it going through the six minutes. It hurt.

Were you able, like, at any point, were you just like, okay, time to throw the jokes away, I'm just talking about? No, I just, I soldiered on. I really like, I'm like, stick with the set and you'll be able to get through it. But at one point I turn around, like, we must be at eight and I turn around three. Oh, God. Did you up it or did she? She just upset. Oh, man, okay.

And so, like, in the early ones, you're like, this is a walk of the point. Park. One and two, this is nothing. This is Dr. Hose. That's what this is. And then, yeah, by the time it's done, you're like, it is very, and then when you're, when you're done with it, it's like the muscle that it's on won't stop. Like, it's kind of contracted still.

So then you do kind of walk out of there feeling like, like you do have, like an ongoing cramp. You're like, so brave. I think you. You're like an inspiration for a ceremony for a ceremony. Ravarellis song. Did she write and written? No, that was in a Tashra Beddingfield.

I don't know who wrote it, but. Sir Rive Rellis is somebody at it. I want to see you be brave. She also did. Was that the one that was the Hillary Clinton campaign song? Oh, the say what you want. Yeah. That one.

I don't know. She also did like a musical. Waitress. Yeah, waitress. Yeah. I like to know what's on Hillary Clinton. playlist. Oh.

You know, what is she, what's her top ten? Just silence. Yeah. It's just the quiet. No, I think she's got a lot of like, I think she's got a lot of anthem ballad. I think she's probably like, because she's, you know, so well connected, she probably has mommos we've never heard of. Oh, number six. Yeah. And that does go to show that you, you got to persevere.

If your first five mambos, you know, you can get there. I finished my molasses candy. It's still with me, though. Oh, like in your teeth? Oh, no. No, it's just in my, like, tongue. Oh, the taste. In your memory.

Yeah. It's going to, it's, I'm more molasses than man at this point. Would you recommend menstruation to any listeners? Yeah, I think if you haven't tried it, give it a world. Like, just do six minutes. Yeah, ask your doctor menstruation is right for you. But it was, it was like a really fun show to do. It was a really, really great idea for a show.

What's it called? That time of the month. Oh, okay. Yeah. Show, that show time in the month in bracket. And she had a co-host named Corey, and he has to wear it every show to show like how it goes. So he's been zapped, you know, 10 times already. He doesn't wear it throughout the show.

No, but he gets up there to shows everybody. Yowch! And then apparently there are other levels beyond 10. Really? They get, like, even more. What are they? Spinal tap over here? Yeah.

What other levels are there? 12. Oh, wow. But yeah, it was fun, and it was really hard. It was really hard because you don't, or at least I didn't realize how much you use your diaphragm when you're talking and what it's being zapped at the same time. You can only, like you can't do anything like out like aggressive that's pushing out like a lot of air. Like I have a joke where I'm like, no. They say that.

And I was like, oh, God, that hurt so much. I used they didn't do that. When you first heard the word diaphragm, did you hear it as the muscle in there or as a contraceptive device? I heard it as the muscle thing because you did so much choir. Yeah. Well, I think that's where it was from. No, me too. I was the same thing.

Yeah, I think I saw the, there was a movie called Strike, I think, and they had, it was like girls at a college, I think, and then they maybe were talking about diaphragms? They burn their diaphragms? Maybe. I just remember seeing it, being like, oh, wow. I remember it being in, like, sitcom. Yeah, because what's her name? Elaine.

Elaine. Oh, yeah, with Jane Leaves. But here's the thing. I don't actually think I know what a diaphragm is. I know the muscle that you sing from, but I don't, I don't think I know what a diaphragm is. It's like a reverse diva cup. Yeah, it is. Is it?

Yeah. Well, like, it's a little more plastic. That's what they look kind of, like, painful to me. I'm like, how do you get it up? What is it like? What does it look like? There's definitely one in sex in the city, too. Because there's an episode where Carrie gets her diaphragm stuck and someone has to help her get it out.

Oh, yeah. I was like, this is friendship. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She didn't invite Big over to do it. This is when you call the gals. I think it was Samantha. Oh, Samantha really loves sex. She does.

She loves the city, too, to be honest. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good looking device. It looks. Wow. What was the female condom? Oh, that's like a bag. Yeah, it's like it's a bag.

Yeah, it's a bag. I remember somebody on Just for a laugh. This looks like. It looks like a spider. It looks like HR Geiger. Yeah. That's wild. Oh, man, the human body is insane.

The old school ones used to be like, these ones look kind of soft and I don't think they used to be. All right. Let's go 1980s. It does kind of look. It looks like a T-strainer. It does look like T-strainer. Oh, man. Oh, boy, oh, boy.

Well, it's great. Everyone, you know, practice safe sex. Yeah. Bring your diaphragm everywhere you go. And just remember your number one, the best ability is availability. I don't know what that. The best of consciousness. I guess.

Anything else? Anything else you'd like that? I, what else did I? Oh, so like, because I don't have TV. I don't have something to put on in the background that's just Yeah, bam,

that's just background noise, but I don't want a song, I don't want, I want something that's chatter, but nothing, like I don't want news or anything like that. I just want something that's kind of, and I found it. I found it on,

This is for when you're working? This is working or just cleaning, you know, just having something on in the background. And it's on Crave and it's old episodes of Dateline. Oh, wow. They have old episodes of Dayline? Yeah, like all of them. Yeah, they're called Unforgettable. So it's old episodes where they bring the report and they're like, boy, I couldn't forget this.

Oh. Yeah. Yeah, and then they show old episodes. Like what year are we talking here? I think they're like maybe up to like 2013, 14, something like that. Yeah. And I mean, you know, as soon as it's, they were a happy couple together, you know who did it. You know who did it?

Yeah. The survivor of the family? It's very, but I was watching one where they, the cops had run out of ideas of who it could be. And then one of the cops, like, got a little funding from the station to put some DNA test. out to this company that said they could reconstruct a face based on the DNA, which is like not, they said, like, this is not a scientific thing they did. And this was a Hail Mary. And they got the picture back.

And it just looked like any guy. Like, it just looked like, oh, man. And then they showed it on the news. And a kid was like, I know they got. And it was him. And I was like, this rocks. Like, this guy was like, well, we'll do one last thing to see if we can solve this crime. And it was the exact thing.

And just the reporter comes on at the beginning, be like, this was an unforgettable story because I love when they repurpose old things. Yeah. I watch a lot of antiques road show. Oh, yeah. And they'll do, they'll often just be like, here's 2007 in St. Louis or whatever. And then so they'll, you know, show their whatever, classic movie poster or whatever.

And the person will be like, yeah, this is worth $3,000. And then a thing on the screen comes up and says, well, it's actually worth $400. But there's like a series of hosts on it. And you really get to see how they've aged. It's them current day. Is Stone Phillips there? Stone Phillips is not there.

Guy Keith Morrison is one of them. Jane Polly there. Jane Polly's there. There's another guy, cameras, but he's, he looks like he has a toupee but it's not a toupee. Oh, I know him. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah.

There was one saying when they were showing like the dense kind of forest that they had to find the body in. And they made him go in it. And it was just like you tell he was like, why do I have to be? There's nothing better than like seeing a guy in a suit have to like go into the woods and like kind of be like in and just be sort of like clomping around in his dress shoes. Is it this guy? That's who I was thinking of. In large. Dennis Murphy?

Yeah. He didn't look like that anymore. I could tell you that right now. When I googled Dateline reporters, one of the things came up with Nancy O'Dell from Excess Hollywood. Oh. Oh. Maybe she solved a crime. Maybe she did.

Hey, and that's a green screen background. You could put her wherever you want. Put her in the White House. Put her in a forest with the other guy. With the knife in the forest. With the knife in the forest? This was a twilight. It was the reporter.

It was the guy on cable. I'm like, let's pay attention to this trial, guys. But is it, are you paying attention to it? Not really, but when I stop in every once in a while, it's fun to see who's the story. Because I like background stuff, but then I'm, uh, sometimes I get sucked in. I'm like, oh, I'll just put on that thing you do. I've seen it a million times. Can't look away.

See, that's the thing. I can't put on anything too good. And I can't put on anything where, like, uh, You can't follow it. Like, you have to actually follow it to follow it. But these, it's just one small story stretched out over an hour and a half. Right. It's like, you can keep, you can keep pace with it.

You know what's going to happen. But that one story, that killed me when the kid was like, it was just some kid was like, I know, that's Brian. I know that. I remember when there was like the big true crime boom in podcasts and like streaming series. and it really is just like a date line stretched over six hours. Yeah. And it's,

I love the interviews they do because, like, they really lead the guests to say a specific thing. And then they just kind of end up repeating the reporter a bit. Like, and you must have been surprised. We were. We were so surprised. Come on, we'll just drag it out of them here. Yeah. Have you ever done, like, have to, had to make a documentary or anything where you tell the interview subject?

All right. Well, I'm not going to, the question isn't going to be in the final product. So try to incorporate the question into the answer. Into your answer. Yes. I've done that. And then I've done, I've been the subject where I've had to do that. I've been pretty good at it.

Because I've seen that. What did I think about it? I thought it was pretty weird. Who me? Oh, my God. Well, I guess if you're going to ask, I guess I would say that my feelings about that are complicated. You are a good interview subject.

Every answer starts with who, me? You want me to talk? I'm on camera. Well, I wouldn't usually, but, yeah, I wouldn't do anything about that. Anyways, should we move on to some overheard? Sure. Remember Archer, the Emmy-winning animated series? I sure don't.

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See you there. Overheard. Overheard's a segment on the show where we hear just the greatest stuff, some of the best stuff around, and then we share it here because it's just so good. And we like to start with the guest. Meredith, do you have an overheard. Yes, I do have it overheard.

It's from, through my boyfriend who works at a high school. So, you know. He likes the bike. These are the two things I know about your wife. Yep, he does love biking. He doesn't wear enough sun prediction when he's biking. Yeah, he's not very sun safe. True, yeah.

He's a ginger, so it's just, you know, he's asking for it. But, no, so he works at high school. And he was, I think he was in, he was an education assistant in, like, a math, kind of like remedial math class. Okay. And the teacher was talking about a Saskatchewan style pizza. Have you guys ever heard about Saskatchewan style pizza? I have heard of it, but I don't.

Okay. So it's like, is it like a lasagna kind of situation? Oh, sort of. It's kind of like, I, you know what, like, it's just. There's too many styles of pizza. It's really gross. It's so it's the, you have the dough, the sauce, and then if you order like meat,

they put like an inch of meat like in it, like a big kind of hunk. And then they put the cheese on top and it like steams inside. And it's really, really gross. Okay. In my opinion, this is one thing about Saskatchewan. I'm like, oh, God. The jails aren't full enough. But, um, yeah.

When you say there's meat, it's like layers of meat. It's, yeah, you said it's like lasagna. This kind of like has a lasagna feeling. But it's like, it's super unpleasant to bite into because it has this like meat layers. Yeah. Well, that one picture where it's being like the. Yeah, that one. Yeah, and it's just like, it's really watery.

It looks like kind of like you're holding a sandwich, really. Yeah. It looks like Subway. It is. Anyway, so that's kind of the context. So the teacher in math class was doing something and he put this on the board. And he's like, this is the only, you know, pizza. That's good pizza.

And let's talk to the kids. And then one of the kids turned to the other kid and said, bro, there'd be so much protein in that. That's sick. I mean, I'm trying to work out. Yeah, your protein maxing and you can get some stuff. You have a pizza in the locker room. It's like a quick protein blast. A really hot meat sandwich that's like watering.

I got to be honest. Like I don't, people say pizza's like junk food. It's got all, it's got good things in it. I don't like the pizza's been lumped in. And you know what? I don't think the hamburg should be loved in either. hamburgers are delicious. When you're talking about junk food, we're talking chips.

We're talking, you know, candy. Melasasas candy. You know, how does that molasses candy going? Oh, yeah. Do you have your thermometer? This is really soft now.

This actually, when I was a kid, I feel like it would take, like, days for these. Well, that's what I mean. I think they must have changed. It's a hot room. It is a hot room. Is it air conditioning working?

It's, I mean, the planet's getting so hot, guys. The classic flavor. This is like the benefit of climate change. Molasses candy will always be. And nobody looks the positive side of this anymore. Yeah, you got to look on the bright side. That's on the news. And here's my sober thought for the day.

Melasses candies have never been so soft. Air conditioning's back on now that you've eaten it. Oh, nuts. Dave, do you have one overheard? Yeah, I was going to say, well, first of all, Manitoba, one province over is where they invented Hawaiian pizza. Oh, yeah. So how about that?

That is pretty cool. It is, I like Hawaiian pizza. I've never understood the discourse about it being a weird. I never liked it. I like it now. Yeah, because you've grown up. Also, in living in Saskatchewan, I'll wait for you to finish your molasses candy. You take my answer off the air?

No, no, please don't. The, do people call a hoodie's bunny hug? I Yes, kind of Like if you're If you go online To like a local shop They say bunny hug

And not hoodie And then I My boyfriend corrects me When I say hoodie Is he from there? Yeah, he's from there But I think he's just doing it To be kind of like

Keep the heritage alive That's true Yeah Is everything that you eat at dinner Have a good dose of wheat In it? Yeah Yeah, yeah

That's important I have to have a loaf of bread Every day Or else they want to Or mustard, do you have a lot of mustard involved. And canola. I have my nightly canola shot. Just before bed.

Yeah. I, uh, I, when I was a kid, I don't think, well, maybe in the 90s, but in the 80s, I didn't really wear hoodies. Yeah, I guess I didn't really. But I don't think they called them a hoodies that far back. I remember having a, was it a K-way? Was that? Oh, yeah. That was cool.

Yeah. Anyway was cool. Was it like, but it was like a sweatshirt. No, it was like a rain jacket. Yeah, it was like a windbreaker. It was okay. No, now.

Would it go, did it zip all the way down or was it kind of went over your head? I think mine zipped all the way down, but that's what I remember having. It was a hood. Although I was a teenager, I got one of those, you know the typical one that a hippie would wear? Oh. You know the one I'm talking about? Like a striped.

A drug rug. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of kind of looks like it's made of hemp. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had one of those as a teenager and I thought it was super cool. And you know what?

I was right. My overheard. Well, I have, this isn't really an overseen. I just thought maybe you had also seen it. Okay. Someone would put up posters along a street in our neighborhood. And it just says, lost something recently in this area? Email description.

When and where lost. What? To this email address. I have seen this poster. But it's like, what do you? Just say keys or whatever. No, no. You need to know what you lost.

Or maybe that's this person's sick fetish. Yeah. Answer me these riddles three. Yeah. I lost my car keys. No, not that. I have something else. I lost my dog.

No. Bigger. I lost my car That's silly My bike was stolen Well, I'm sorry for your log But that's not lost It was stolen

I'm not talking about a stolen thing Okay, so my actual Overhood, I went to Safeway this morning Grocery store Got those big sandwiches at Safeway Oh no Those are good The Dagwoods

I can't They have bigger ones at Saveway on. Yeah, that's true. They do. Yeah. They call them lumberjacks. Wait, one of them has a lumberjack.

One of them has a Dagwood. I think Dagwood is safe way. Anyway, I don't get those. They're too refrigerated and I don't wait. I can't wait for them to get rid through him. Yeah, got it. And then I just don't taste enough. It's just too cold and I, then I'm so full.

Yeah. But anyway, I was, uh, it was in the morning. And I was, I was, uh, got out of my car. I heard there's a guy like a rubby. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Standing outside smoking and leaning like leaning over a garbage can. Like the thing you would avoid touching it all cause.

And he was yelling at someone, not me, yelling, everything's free today. It's International Women's Day. That is the tradition. And the person who is, it's not international women's different women. And he was yelling at a man. And then I go in and I walk past this guy smoking and he goes, smokers only. No non-smokers allowed.

This is the same guy? Man, this guy rules. Inside the same way. And he was right. Only people smoking. Yeah, I feel like anytime that I'm using, like, walking an alley behind businesses, if there's an overturned milk carton, that's the smoking area. Somebody's, you know, a cook is going to be out there. Like milk carton?

No, like the milk. Oh, like a crate. The crates, yeah, milk crate, yeah, turned upside down. You know that somebody's... Someone's sitting on there? Somebody's hacking butts. Oh, I saw a play once, and then the set was just two milk curtains. Oh, okay.

You know some dramas about to go down between coworkers. Have you... My brother... I was in Calgary a couple weeks ago. My brothers were talking about a play that they saw that was just absolutely the worst play, and the person who invited them to the play got up and left. Oh, man. And then they were stuck there watching the rest of this play.

Not really, but they could have done. And it was, no, because they didn't even know what was, she was gone before they even knew what was happening. So they thought that she, maybe she went to the bathroom. Oh, that's funny. That, like, there's nothing that makes people angrier. That was what I learned when I worked at the theater than seeing a bad play. Yeah.

Like, just walking out. Because Canadians are pretty polite about stuff most of the time. Yeah. People would just, like, look at me and go, they would go, like, thumbs down as they walked out and make a fart sound and this is like a very well-dressed like 70-year-old lady. Yeah. It was just like, or they'll be mad at you. They're like, oh, like you did this to me.

I'm like, no, I unfortunately did not. We walked out of Elf, the musical. Yeah. The whole family. We did it as a family. Yeah. Just went on and on. Yeah.

But you know, I think sometimes it's like families go to these musicals at Christmas because they like need something to do. And then you have, you're united. And you have a shared enemy. that can be really good. Yeah, except the year that I made everybody and my family go see the movie Cats. Everybody turned on me pretty quick. I thought we'd all turn on the movie and say how bad it was, but they were all like, you're bad for making us do this.

So apparently, it's, they call Regina style. Yeah, okay. Yeah, it's like, I have had it in Saskatoon, but it is like, they say bigger in Southern Saskatchewan. I know. It does depend on who's photographing it, because that looks very disgusting. Yeah. Trying Regina style pizza, aka lasagna pizza. But I had, so like I just one night, when I moved, just asked you to my, my, like, a librarian was like, do you want to buy this coupon book for my kid's school?

You know what's like that. Yeah, she's like, you can see what's going on. And so there was going to. I was like trying to make friends. I was like, absolutely give to me. And there was like. Good for one friend. All right.

This is so cheap. And I just randomly. went to a pizza place and like no morning like it was just called Pirates Pizza and it was this style of pizza and I was like I can't do it It's like you take a bite and like water falls out Yeah it's like yeah like There's the Chicago style yeah New York style

Detroit Detroit style we don't need Regina style yeah yeah yeah stop with the styles Gangnam style what's that how do they prepare that They dance Yeah, they do a special dance. Yeah, yeah. Graham, you haven't overheard. I do.

We have these nice plazas in the city that have popped up. They popped up during the pandemic. This new one that was renovated. Yeah. Now that the sun's going down earlier, the lights come on, those twinkling or like patio lights come on. I'm curious what it's going to be like through the winter. It's going to be great. Nice little.

Go sit in the rain. Yeah, exactly. I do. We're like, got to go somewhere. But there was kids running around playing tag, and the one kid that was it, tagged somebody and made up their own role, I guess. He said, tag, everybody's it. You tell the other kids, we're like, no, no. This is sort of.

You can't freestyle tag. This goes against everything we stand for us, tag players. Do you ever see that movie tag? With John Hamm? Yeah. And Ed Helms, I want to say? It's like about friends that play. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's based on real people. Oh, right. It was like those kind of broie guys and this was their kind of man. Before, like, there was like those football pools where they had to now have to do punishments. Yeah, that's true. I feel like this is like the early iteration of that. Yeah. But it was like years and years long game of tag.

And they were like, yeah. they like costumes and you know like through whole events to have them show up um that's not a bad thing to make a movie I don't think I want to watch it but there was also that show I think we I watched it during the pandemic it was a um it was like competitive tag the game show like it was like a one of it looked like all those like

I've watched that on YouTube they're very like the guys who they have like a kind of like a boxing ring jungle gym kind of thing and they like fly around yeah yeah it's very sort of like american ninja warrior yeah oh yeah love that a lot of lunging yeah lunging yeah lunging and plunging i like on those american ninja warrior type shows where somebody comes along and they're so good at it like everybody else is falling over the one thing and they just clear it oh my god i couldn't do a single those things no the thing where you're holding onto a bar and then you not only do you need to you don't jump to the next bar you take the bar with you

you and hook it onto the next thing. Nope. Or the circle that's like on an angle, then you have to swing around it. Yeah. That one, I'm like, I just, you know. Put me on wipe out. I just fall. I would just willingly fall into it.

I'll do Fear Factor. I'll quit right away. Yeah. It'll be the number one first. Yuck. I won't do it. The first thing. It's like, just look at a spider.

No. I'm too scared. The first time we're going to slowly work our way up. Just look at a spider. No. Okay, I'll describe a spider. Ew! I'm just going to say spider, no!

Yeah, I've watched a bit of it on, I don't know, he was on YouTube, but Johnny Oxville's the host now. Oh, okay, pretty perfect. You know, it may be a better host, like brand, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's less. They'll say he's a better host, not a better host. Couldn't be a better host. I haven't seen it.

I got to see it with, you know, I have to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got to watch old episodes and new episodes. Yeah, I watched an old episode with when Mr. R was hosting it. And man, oh, man, he is, he is just not changed at all. Like, he's exactly, it's all there except he's got hair. Like, it's, he was rogued. Yeah, yeah.

Whoa. He was buzzed, but yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. You ever watch news radio? No. Oh, really? That's good.

He was one of the stars of it. Was that a sitcom? Yeah. Oh, okay. I think I've seen it on Korea. Phil Hartman was in it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, maybe that'll be my background. Mora Tierney, Candy Alexander. Oh, my goodness. All of Candy Alexander's like that. Oh, and Stephen Root. A little bit of Monica, a little bit of Erica. A little bit of Stephen. Dracool.

Now, we also have overheard sent into us by people all over the world if you want to send one in. Andy Dick. Yeah, that's right, Andy Dick. You can send it into SBI at maximum fund.org. This first one comes from Claire G from Tacoma, Washington, on the Tacoma Dome. Okay. I was waiting my turn for a TSA pre-check appointment, which took place in a nondescript conference room in a Hilton Hotel.

This is just all background. It doesn't have anything to do with you over it. I was a little early, so I was still to sit in a chair in the room where the worker finished with a middle-aged man ahead of me. As the worker was going through the various security questions, she asked, have you ever gone by any other names? And the man said, asshole. The worker must have thought she missed her to him. So she asked him to repeat himself.

And he responded, my wife sometimes calls me an asshole. And then the three of us sat silently for an awkward moment before the worker continued with the remaining questions. Yes, noted. Okay, your wife thinks you're an asshole. My wife likes me. Yeah. My wife doesn't call me that. Or if she does, it's not to me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the key to keeping the relationship going. You don't call them an asshole to their point. I mean, I've gone by many, like, online gamer tags. Oh, yeah. What's your current one? Spunk Funker 60. Oh, shit.

You're in, you're out. No number is funnier than 69. They tried with 6-7? They did. Yep. This next one comes from Heidi Y, parts unknown. Eating at a restaurant, I overheard a woman say to her friend, I don't know. He makes me a little nervous because he's too blonde.

Right? Oh, yeah. Think about somebody's too blonde. Dolph Lundgren. Yeah, but, like, somebody who's got, like, almost transparent hair. Like, really, where did it come from? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Wait a minute. I know. Sh, guys, don't tell anyone. I stole it. You're very blonde. How's your hair coming? Is it still slippery?

It is. I got a hair cut yesterday in the microphone. I was just like, I was like, it's making my hair look weird. Yeah, that's all right. Yeah. It's all right. We're all, you know. It's not a video podcast.

My hair is covered by a hat. You're a very blonde boy. Yeah, I was very, very blonde boy growing up. I have a friend who's there, both the parents are very brunette and the kid is very blonde. And it just always throws me a little bit. I'm like, oh. Where do you get this baby from? I think they're adopted.

It could happen. This last one comes from Paul in Seattle. I was sharing a fun fact. I think I learned from Dave. Okay. With a friend. Me, do you know why famous murderers always have three names? So all the other Mark Chapman's of the world aren't confused with Mark David Chapman.

And then one of them says, oh, that makes sense. Like John Quincy Adams. He never murdered nobody. He was a president? He was a president. J. Ku, A? Wait, wasn't there a Quincy murderer? Maybe not.

I know there's Quincy Jones. Oh. I know there was a show from the 70s called Quincy. It was a detective show. Do you want to see a picture of Graham as a little boy? So blonde. So blonde. Oh my gosh.

Holy moly. And here's, uh, you can be like Swedish royalty. You look like a little, like, yeah. Here's where he had long hair. Oh, like Hanson brother. The three of us all had long hair, so we were always being called Hanson. No way. Yeah.

Was that intentional? Were you a big Hanson fan? We all liked that song. Yeah, that was a great song. I don't think I'd sing it without the lyrics, though. Your brothers are even blonder. Oh, wow. Well, Patrick was, he was the blondeest of all.

He was his, he looked like Casper the friendly ghost. And he just took out life insurance. He probably did. Yeah, so blonde. Are they still blonde? Not as much. No, they both have pretty much shaved heads. Listeners, I'm not even going to share those photos with you.

That's in room only. Yeah, and you know what? If you try to find them online, there, you'll just get a picture. of Regina-style pizza, so don't even bother. In addition to overheard's letter written, and we also accept your phone calls and voice memos. Send us a voice memo.

SPI at maximum fun.org or a voicemail. 1-844-779-7631. That's one. Ugh. SpyPod 1. Like these people have. Hey, Dave and Graham and Possible guests. This is Roxy from Vancouver. And I'm

just calling because we were eating at a pizza place and we overheard the pizza chef talking to the guy next to him saying yeah, pretty much my favorite movie is Mr. Deeds and I guess that's kind of my second favorite movie. Just Mr. Deeds. I just love Mr. Deeds. Thank you, love the show. It occupies the first and second slot.

My top three? Well, first two are Mr. Deeds. But number three, Titanic. Number two of the special features on the Mr. Deeds DVD. It's the background commentary. And I think Mr. Deeds is a remake. Yeah. Yeah.

Really? Yeah. Adam Sandler is in the new one, not in the room. Was it Michael Kane in the original? I don't know. Oh. We can look it up. But it was, I saw it once.

John Turturro, he like wins a, he like inherits money or something. He becomes rich. Yeah. He starts as a hallmark. No, his goal is to like write hallmark. cards. I do remember that and being like, this is a, like, a little odd thing at the beginning. But you're right. I think he, like, inherits money. And then John Chaturro is his, like, funny but he's got, like, his foot is numb and John Chaturro hits it with like a fire poker.

Yeah, 100%. Which would damage it. Yeah. And he has a, I remember he has a water fountain with a Hawaiian punch in it. And he's like, he's really into it. He has so many flies on it. It's, uh, he's so sticky all the time. It's originally a 1936 movie by Frank Capra, starring Gary Cooper. Oh, Gary Cooper. A lot of people say Adam Sandler is the modern day Gary Cooper. Mr. Deeds goes to town, it was called. But you know what?

They dropped the ghost of town. It's cleaner. Yeah, just Facebook. And next one, Daddy-O. Hi, Dave Graham and guest. This is Lewis calling from Ilfakum in the UK, and I was in my local Tesco when I overheard two staff members talking to each other. And I gather that one of them was pregnant because they were talking about children's names. And she said one of Will's family members had a kid and they called her Vendetta.

And I know an Adonis, and he's like four foot six. I want something that goes with my last name to be really powerful. Like there's this phenomenon, I can't remember what it's called, where you grow into your name. Like, if you go for a job and your name is, I'm not doing this. Then bam, straight away, you're not doing it, just like that.

And she carries on. I wanted to call her Q, but my nan's not having it. Like, I wanted it to be Q, because then Q-ray. I could have hip-hip-hip as a nickname, like hip-hip-hip-Q-ray, you know? Or sting if I wanted to be really spicy.

Okay, that's fine. There you go. There's a name for a writer, Q-Rae. C-ray. Hibre is pretty funny. Is that a British thing to say Q-Rae? I think a hip-hip curate. Yeah, it's very funny.

Also, you know how some people are named. I'm not doing this. Also, just name your kid doctor. Yeah. What are the famous that's called, nominal determinism. Okay. And it's like if your name is

Usain Bolt and you're very fast. Yeah. Nominative or nominal? Is something like grace? You have lots of grace, that type of thing? Or is it more Usain Bolt-esque?

I mean, yeah, it's great. It's both. Like ravishing Rick Rood was ravishing. And rude. His name, though. But like, oh, what are the famous examples? This is from Icon, All I can think of is the name pancake for some reason right now.

It's just like, yum. You just always be eating pancakes all the time. Yeah, does something smell like maple syrup? That might be pancake. Oh, like there was a fire chief named or Lieutenant Les McBurney. Oh, you just have to commit to the bed if that's your thing. Yeah, Les McBurney is very funny. Like his first name is Les?

Yeah, like Lester. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Less. See, coming up with names isn't hard. No,

you're right. You're right. I don't need the Lou Bega baby name simulator. Not anymore. It's a generator. Generator. Oh, man. If there was the Lou Bega simulator.

Oh, man. Guys, this is a big money idea. Let's do it. Let's take it to the dragons. Oh, yeah, dragons. I need $150,000 for 2% of my company. Blue Vegas simulator

This is a very hard thing to Google I apologize I like that when on shark tank or dragon's dead When somebody's like grossly Overestimated the value Oh yeah and they're so mad And then the sharks will come back

They'll be like I'll give you the $100,000 for 75% Yeah They're like give me it all I want to buy the whole thing And you can never talk to me again That's another one I can put on in the background The shark tanker dragon stand That they, there was like a, there's one of those pitches is usually like 11 minutes and that used to be the time it took me to eat a salad.

Oh, they're calling them. They're calling them aptronims. Appetronym. Because they're apt names, I guess. Appet, aptronims. Yeah, Usain Bolt's there. Hmm. There's a

Thessel Fieldser was a baseball player. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Let's see. There's a urologist named Weiner. IP freely. Bob Rock makes rock music. And finally.

Gun McHute. Murder a gun mickshut. Tiger Woods. Woods are a type of... That's true, yeah. William Wordsworth. Oh. That would be a very satisfying date line.

And it turned out it was Gunn McShute the whole time. We suspected. He had an alibi, but it turned out that alibi was fake. Anytime I look something up on the show and it takes too long, I feel like I am, like, I come back to the show. I'm like, where was I? All right, here's your final phone call. Hey there, brothers. This is Jessica calling in from Kansas City with an overheard.

I was at work earlier today, and we were talking about our Labor Day plans of what my co-workers said, oh, yeah, we're going to go out on the lake on a pontoon boat, and I have this little girl on my boat now, and so we make a lot of hot dogs. And I was like, wait, what? You have a little girl on your boat? And he goes, no, I have a little grill on my boat. So I felt like a real dummy thinking that he, just had a little girl chopped on his boat

this whole time we made hot dogs for him and his family. Well, off I go. There's a little girl that makes hamburgers for us. And her name was ketchup muster. Well, that brings us to the end of this episode. Meredith, thank you so much for being our guest.

Thanks for having me. I love this podcast. And I can't recommend enough reading. I I've only read She's a Lamb. I haven't read your other one, so I'm looking forward to being able to sit down. And check it. She's a lamp coming next year.

I cannot wait to go to IKEA and watch this play. Or book launch happen in the IKEA. IKEA publishes it. The only thing they publishes directions. We're looking to get into a different genre. It's just like made of the blue bag. Like, that's the cover is just a good bag. Oh, yeah.

Where can people, like, you can get it anywhere? You can buy in the States. You can get it wherever books are sold? Yeah, I think so. It's if you live in the States, yes. You can order it through your indie if they don't have it. It's distributed down there by Simon Jucer, so you should be able to at least order it somewhere online.

And then, yeah, in Canada. Yeah, and I always just say shop independent bookstores when you can because they're the best. Yeah. Hold out until you get one with a medallion on the cover, though. Yeah, we know they're out there. We've seen there. We've took a picture of them. Oh, and if you're, do you have any German listeners?

We have one. David's Lubbaga. Yeah, it's out there. It's in Germany? It is in German. It's called She's a Star there because I think they don't like the irony, maybe. Okay. She's not a lab.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And, yeah, where can people find your podcast? And just where can they find you online? Mostly just Instagram. Meredith Hamrock Books is my handle. And then, yeah, our podcast is called The Novel Writers Podcast. And that's wherever podcasts are found.

I hope. It is my job to make sure it's out there. So I hope. If you can't find it, please tell me. Yeah. Make sure you have that up before this episode. Yeah, I know. But thank you so much for being a guest.

Thank you everybody out there. If you do know somebody who is expecting and they don't have a name for the baby yet, do check out the Lou Big a baby name generator because I feel like I might just save the day. And come on back next week for another episode of Stop Podcasts of yourself. Maximum Fun, a worker-owned network of artist-owned shows supported directly. by you by you