Strangers on a Bench - EPISODE 30: He Thinks He's Guru Nanak

Episode Date: April 7, 2025

Tom Rosenthal approaches a stranger on a park bench and asks if he can sit down next to them and record their conversation.This is what happened! Produced by Tom RosenthalEdited by Rose De LarrabeitiMixed by Mike WoolleyTheme tune by Tom Rosenthal & Lucy Railton Incidental music by Maddie AshmanEnd song: 'Coloured Glasses' by UwadeStream it here: https://ffm.to/colouredglasses————————————————————————————Instagram: @strangersonabench Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, sorry to bother you. Can I ask you a slightly odd question? I'm making a podcast called Strangers on a Bench where essentially I talk to people I don't know on benches for you up for that? Do you want to give it a go? What day of the week do you favour? You know what, it's funny. I get asked all types of different questions about what do you favour. Who's your favourite band? Who's your favourite actor? What's your favourite day? And I can honestly say I don't have a favourite anything. That's good. Yeah. But a day is a little bit different to actor though, isn't it? Not really, it's a preference, isn't it?

Yeah. What do you have a preference for a day? No, no. Okay, okay, that's fine. Okay, let's just go for any day then. Take me through from getting up to going to bed. What for you is it, within reason, what for you is the ideal day of being alive? Ideal day?

Well. Much detail as you can. Yeah, I think you're gonna find me a bit annoying. Well, let's see what happens. Okay. If you're worried, don't be, because I've seen a lot of people on benches. Not a lot is going to annoy me.

No, well, okay, so I was talking to this friend in the park this morning and she was telling me how happy she is that it's sunny because the grey clouds have gone. and You know this this this idea that we buy into The things that we need To make ourselves feel whole And so we look at the day of the week or the actor or the you know What's my ideal day or what's my perfect relationship? Yeah, and And I think the truth is that my understanding, shall we say, not the truth, but my understanding is that none of that really truly exists apart from in our own heads.

So I don't have an ideal day, but a day for me is to get up to get up obviously early what kind of time About seven nice walk the dog do some exercise I have a Neural Disability so exercise is good for me. Yeah, so I was doing used to play quite a bit table tennis But now I've really got into the golf. So I try and sneak off to the golf course. Fantastic. Which is really good for my brain and my physicality and my movement.

And also, golf for me is an amazing experience of where you can just really be in acceptance of what is. Because it's a fucking hard game. And it's a cruel game. And if you're in any way invested in each shot, you're gonna suffer. So you have to just take things as they are. So I love golf for that.

You're playing with anybody? Yeah, a couple of mates. Yeah, competitively? No, see that's another sort of mind game. Oh, I'm not doing that. We're not doing any competition. Is that you just opting out because you're not as good as them? No, no, no, I think there's inevitably a little bit there.

I can't deny that. But being competitive, it doesn't fulfill me. Enjoying being there in the moment, right in the centre of the shot, not thinking about anything else, just like really in the moment, like we are now, just sat on a bench chatting. That probably is the ultimate, to be able to be sat without any beliefs about how something should be, just be with what it is. How would you sell golf to someone that thought it was kind of an elitist sport? Well it's only really elitist in this country. If you go to Scotland or you go to Ireland

it's a much more man of the people game. But you know if you have one good experience like you hit one half decent shot you want to come back. Do you remember your first you know you you talk about that one shot that gave you, the way you caught the bug. Yeah, years. Do you remember that shot? Years ago. My mum and dad lived on, well still do live on this bungalow kind of site, on a holiday

site and it had a par 3 course and I borrowed some clubs from the thing and went out and weirdly could just hit it. Just naturally? Just kind of naturally. Just came to you? Yeah, well, you know know, it quickly went away again but in that moment, I had the experience of back to your nice day there. You finished your golf, you've had your golf time, you have a little cup of tea with your mates after?

You know what, I generally don't really have time because I've got to get back for work. And the work is part of this normal day, but it's not ideal now, it's just a day. You're happy working. I'm happy right now. Good! It's good to know. But you're back at home now and you're working, is it work that is satisfying? In the main, yeah. I'm a musician so I get to do what I love. Sometimes it's like anything, exactly what you want to be doing in that moment,

but then like I said earlier, once you've established the nature, you can sum it up in this notion that to take part but to not be attached to which way the taking part goes, good or bad, there isn't a good or bad, you just do it regardless of what's going to happen and then whatever happens you deal with and then you move on to the next thing. So you're going back and you're writing music or playing with other people? Composing. I do a little bit of live stuff but mainly in the studio we have a studio. Did you say we? Me and my composing partner.

Is that your partner partner as well? No, no, no, no, no. Just my long term music partner. Oh. So you also have a long term partner? Yeah, I'm in two marriages, man. Delightful. Which one do you do for what? Who does what when? Who does what when? Yeah, music and life, innit? Music, life, golf, sitting on benches, chatting to strangers. All the joys of the magic of existence.

Do you either get jealous of the other partner? I mean, I've been with my life partner for 35 years and my music partner for 25 years. Oh, that. So does your partner get on with your music partner? Yeah, yeah. They're both football supporters so they just like talking football. What team? One's Burnley, one's Sheffield United.

How do you feel about Burnley's defensive record this season? Well, if I was remotely interested in it I think it was very good. Okay so we've got on to... so you've done some music with your composing partner. Does it sometimes get a bit of a drag? You've always got to do stuff with someone else? Can you operate alone? Yeah I can operate, well probably not so much these days with the old neural issue. Yes. It slows me down. Yeah. What is this neural issue can you say? Parkinson's. So how long have you been? I've been diagnosed in about two and a half years. But I've definitely been sort of feeling the effects of it for a good few years. Obvious question but like kind of...

obvious question but like kind of... well no, I should actually start by saying my father is dead but had Parkinson's for the last 10 years of his life so you have some experience? so I have quite a lot of experience of seeing someone with it how have you... has anything surprised you about it? You know, I'm guessing when you're diagnosed you felt something. Yeah, that's like the movie moment.

Yeah. That's like the what? Yeah. Is that what you said? Something like that probably. What? What? Has anything surprised me? Well, basically my understanding of life from a spiritual perspective is incredibly

useful and helped me to understand and absorb the diagnosis. But then what surprises you is that if you're sort of open enough, you can see a sort of teaching in it, some lessons that are useful to learn within it. Like everything. You know, I believe that to be true of everything. But still to be able to be diagnosed with something like that and go, okay, well what is there to learn from this? That feels empowering, I suppose. And what have you learned?

It's been an extreme experience to draw from in relation to the teachings that I try to understand. You know, fundamentally, however you feel about what's happening to you Is your mind churning over a belief system that you have like we all have Sort of colored glasses on them the way that we see the world and And if you can start to see it in a different way you take those glasses off Instead of seeing what you believe something should be, you see the reality of what it is.

And Parkinson's has helped us speed that up a bit. Is there any of it that you could say has been a blessing? Is there any part of it? I often think with these things it's so obvious to go yeah of course this is a poorer form of life etc etc but if anything you can think is that you know actually this is made this better, this better

for some reason. I mean I just think really what I just said. To me the time that we get on this planet is about learning to understand something about what our true nature is, not what our constructed nature is. The neurologists say that by the time you're six or seven, your personality is formed. Well, personality being formed to me means your programming, your conditioning, the way

that you would react in any given situation. Which is useful because obviously it teaches you how to interact with other humans and what society requires of you and all that. But the teachings that I try and understand also say that that is a limitation and an illusion. And you know your true nature is something broader and more connected than this kind of finite individual that you believe yourself to be. So you're basically saying that you're not who you think you are. Because the person that you think you are is what's causing you to suffer. You know, I need this, I need to be loved in this way, I need to have relationships

in that way. And all the complications of life to me seem to be down to this conditioned belief system. And once we start to unpick that and uncover that, sort of magical things start to open. ["The Last Supper"] So my dad, he was a very physical person. He was a farmer, first and foremost. It was a bit of a crushing thing for him to develop it because he was so fit and he was so active. But anyway, he would try to find all the comedy moments and he always said it often when he was at the post office and he couldn't get his wallet out of his pocket or his jacket pocket, he would have to go up to someone and say, look, I can't, I can't, can you

reach in, can I have a Fondle around and grab my wallet? And he always quite enjoyed that moment of kind of seeing how people did it and kind of tentatively trying to grab the wallet. Have you had any of of those moments yet or do you enjoy seeing how other people respond? I can't think of anything sort of specific right now but you know but one thing I will say is that related to your father's experience there is that you know you've got to be able to ask for help. Yeah. Like even putting this rucksack on sometimes I just can't get my arm through. I'm not a proud kind of person like that. If I need help, I'm happy to ask for it.

You shout it out. I'm happy to ask for it, I'm happy to receive it. What do you wish...well not over-egg the Parkinson's, I'll ask you one more question about them, we'll fly to different matters. But what do you one more question about them, a flight of different matters. Okay. But what do you wish people knew about it, that they don't suffer from it? You know what, people are pretty, you know we've got Google these days, haven't we? We do have it.

So you tell people something that's wrong with you and the next time you see them, they know everything about it. I wish that the medical establishment, I wish they were allowed to embrace different possibilities more quickly. You know, there's a lot of interesting stuff out there. You know, a quick story about this guy at Stanford University. And you know, they had him off his medication and off his medication the guy could barely walk. He does this, wears these gloves for three months

and then three months after that he runs the Boston Marathon Say these gloves not any gloves. No, the specific gloves this guy called Peter Tass at Stanford University has developed and you just think Why can't I get those gloves? Yeah with the bloody gloves, you know, what's in them? I think it's a frequency thing in the fingertips and they say the fingertips are most related to this part of the brain There's substance in Niagara that where the where the dopamine defects originate and somehow it stimulates that and I wish that was all a Little bit more accessible to everyone get someone to invest I mean this guy funnily enough this guy who ran the marathon. Yeah, he owns that company Tupperware Remember that from when we were kids and your mum used to have like Tupperware, Tupperware, Tupperware, remember that? When we were kids and your mum used to have Tupperware parts.

Tupperware, Tupperware. Plastic cart. That's the guy. So he's got to have some dosh there. He's got to have some dosh, right? Some proper dosh. Who doesn't have the troughs? Invest your Tupperware money in some gloves, mate,

and get some sent over to Halston. I hope you're listening to this. You never know. You never know. You never know. Okay, we've sorted Parkinson's out, we've done it. It's gone, it's finished. Absolutely completed. What kind of dad are you? Well, I got a text from my son quite recently. And I think he was out quite late and quite

high with his pals and he said, I know I've called you a shit dad in the past but I just wanted to let you know that I love you and I think you're great. And my first thought was, I don't remember being a shit dad. But the sort of general context of that text was you've done alright. Are you kind of a parent who would ever interfere with anything and say look you sure you want to be doing this? Are you just letting them go on with it? Well I think we're open enough to be able to converse about things. Yeah. open enough to be able to converse about things. I express my perspective that we've discussed a little bit in this conversation and you know, it's usually met with a little bit of

derision. What do they say? Well my son says, you stink of your fucking Guru Nanak. I like to think that I'm pretty considered. I want them to know that I'm there for them if they need me. Can you think of a time you messed it up? Yeah. Yeah, I was, um, wrestling with my son. And he just outmaneuvered me. And he had me in like a lock. And he wrestles with his pals. He has done for years.

Oh, so he's a pro, basically. Yeah, exactly. And I was saying, get off me, you're hurting me. And he said, just call time out. And it was funny, my ego wouldn't allow me to call time out. And then I just started getting angrier and angrier. And it's just snowballing down the hill. And it's getting out of control.

And then you just explode and that kind of happened and that wasn't it that wasn't good. What did the explosion look like? Just verbal. Just verbal. I've ever been a bit physical as well. Yeah. Yeah it's kind of weird. How old was he? I can't remember. It wasn't that long ago, to be fair. Just a few years ago. But you know, I could imagine that being one of the moments

that he would look back on me and think... Maybe that's when you were shit. From the famous you from the text. You got it, man. You got it right there. Do you dream about being a grandparent? I have nightmares about being a grandparent. Do you? No, not really. But you know I want a bit of time before that happens. Being a parent is exhausting. It is isn't it? Tell me about it. It's you know it's minimum 18 years but

essentially a whole lifetime of putting yourself to one side if you can. And we've all got these egos, which makes that a little bit difficult. But I would like five minutes off before the grandkids came. And also I'm a bit nervous about grandkids because I don't think I'll be able to be left alone with them. What do you mean?

We might start your wrestling. Parkinson's is a bit like, fucking drop the kid and all that, innit? I mean, you really don't want to do that. Sounds like you've got a ready-made excuse. Perfect. It's all lined up. Now you're talking, brother.

I mean, can you imagine the type of grandpa you'd be? It's hard to say, because I don't know where I'm going to be at, physically and mentally. Yeah. I mean, I know that I'd, I know for sure my wife's going to be an amazing grandmother in the same way that I know she'd be an amazing mother. My role... It's a wild card. It's a bit of a wild card. Again there when you need. I'm there when you need. If I'm not, you know, if you don't need I'm not there. But if you need I'm there.

That's about as much as I can say. Is that on the business card? It's about as much as I can say right now. It's on my t-shirt. What were your grandparents like? My family and my dad said, Here come the children. Here come the kids, mate. They're going to drown us out. Perfect. My grandparents on my dad's side were a bit repressed. Bit depressed?

Repressed. Repressed, yeah. Religiously repressed. Yeah. And my grandparents on my mum's side. My granddad died quite young. My grandma lived until she was 94 and she was even in her 80s she'd be the kind of woman that would go down to get a pint of milk and then see the bus to the local seaside town pull up and just get on it and go wherever it went, Lidlmson, Anse or Southport or wherever, she was very adventurous.

How amazing. Well, she was letting the bus come, and she's like, I'm just going to get on it. She's gone out for a pint of milk, and then she's seen the bus pull up, and she's checked herself out, and going, yeah, I'm decent, you know? She just jumps on the bus and gone to Blackpool or whatever,

you know what I mean? Pretty cool, really. What happened to the milk at that point? Downs it. Downs it. Downs it to lunch, innit? Well, good on her. What happened it. To lunch innit? Well, good honour. What happened to the grandfather that died young? Stroke. I think I was like 10 or 11.

Yeah. Was that your first funeral? You know what, they didn't let us go. That's how unsophisticated they are. They didn't let you go? No. Well they were trying to... They're trying to protect you, aren't they? Just from the thought of death.

It's stupid, right? It's crazy, yeah. We just can't talk about it in our society. Yeah. You know, we can't talk about the inevitable. It's crazy. Where are you going to get your ashes? Maybe in this park.

I spent a lot of time in this park. Really? Yeah. Any particular bit of it? I don't care man. Just a round. Scatter into the wind who cares. Would you like to do a little bit, a bit in each corner maybe? I don't know I just think get on the top of the hill and wait for Augusta to in and just waft them. Yeah. Let them go. It's nothing in it's just a sensing perceiving

machine you know it's not it's not like I said earlier I don't believe it's who we truly are all this stuff that we get caught up in and our needs and these rich dudes who are trying to find the elixir of life to live forever, I mean, I can't think of anything worse, can you? That's a good point. Yeah, have you got a kind of age you'd like to get to? Honestly,

if I just forget about all the things that I think I want and I am, why again why would you care? You know you hear all this thing I want to put my daughter down the aisle and all and it's just like dude you either get to do it or you don't. Maybe that sounds a bit cold, but honestly, the freedom in this perspective is a freedom that you won't find by earning enough money or having the right relationship or having the right car or having the big house. It's a different kind of freedom. Where did you grow up? Because obviously you don't sound.

In the north. Yeah, that's it. Classic. Right up there. Yeah, right up there, mate. Right up there. Hey. There's there, mate. Right up there. Hey. There's a lot of friends of yours.

You've got a lot of friends around these parts. Yeah. Every second one knows you. Yeah. Can you say anything about that person? I don't really know her very well. I know her to say a lot to. Well enough for a little nod.

I know her to say a lot to. Can you tell me anything about her? I don't say her name, obviously. You know what? I think she might be a casting agent. There's a lot of film bots around here. I should have dressed up. I could have been in something.

A man on a bench. You need a guy on a bench. You look like the perfect guy. I don't even know if I look like someone who should be on a bench really. Oh you do. I'm really pleased to hear that. So I definitely could get the role. Yeah, so what we say, North, let's go back to childhood.

Let's pick an age, eight. Yeah. Where you grew up. Yeah. What's the kind of core childhood memory for you? It's kind of idyllic really. Yeah, take me through it, what was it like? Riding bikes, being out all day long, long summer holidays, food on the table, loving the family, building sites.

Building sites? You know, like building new houses all the time because it was all new built area, so you could fuck around and build ramps for your BMXs and go down to the stream and play by the stream and go into the woods and go and play in the woods and no one was worried that you didn't come home all day and it was totally different. Yeah. If you could think of one kind of childhood incident, for good or for bad, that springs to mind, what was it and did anything come? My favourite memory of being a kid was building ramps

for our BMXs and building them as high as you could possibly go until one of you fell off, which I did one time, I smashed my absolutely face planted the other side of the ramp. How high are we talking? You know, you'd get to like, what's that, three and a half foot, four foot high, on a downhill path. What would you use to build the ramps? Bricks on it, whatever you get off the building sites.

You know, cement boards, bricks, pile it up, and fucking fly, baby. Did they ever mind on the building site about this? I don't even remember seeing a fucking builder the whole time. What are they up to? I don't remember. We only went on them on the weekend.

I don't know. Yeah, when you think of when you think, when you, like my music partner's always saying how insane the world is these days, and I like to reserve judgment a little bit and just accept life for what it is. But when you're having discussions like this and you're comparing like my upbringing to like a 16 year old's upbringing or a 12 year old's upbringing

down here, it's not the same. Yeah. You know, what they have to contend with is way more intense than what we have to contend with, I think. Do you think every generation there has of course said, you know, kids these days have got this, this and this. There's always kind of something, isn't there? No, I mean, you know, they say that, you know,

back in Greek civilization, you've got the elders going, kids these days, saying the same things two back in Greek civilisation, you've got the elders going, kids these days, saying the same things 2,000, 3,000 years ago. Whatever generation you live in, you think it's the most insane generation if you're getting bombed out in the war, or whatever happened in any generation of the last however many thousand years, you'll have people going, it's not the same as it was when I was a kid.

These are the recurring conversations, so I don't put much stock in it because everyone's just having a different experience and also these teachings that I keep talking about say that everything that you have is perfect for what you need to learn. Whether that's Parkinson's or BMX ramps or TikTok or whatever or a crazy American president or whatever's going on. That's what you as an individual and your society needs to learn about your true nature. ["The Star-Spangled Banner"] How do you get on with a mobile phone? What's your kind of relationship with yours?

I'm not a doom scroller. I don't have any social media. Do you have any kind of odd internet interests? I said you'd find yourself... Like an OnlyFans page. For Parkinson's. Sexy Parkinson's. Sexy Parkinson's. You could be the first. There's a fucking niche for everything. There is, there really is. Because I'm quite into the train for no reason at all, just quite into train enthusiasts. The algorithm

picked that up and there's quite a lot of people just getting excited about trains. Well you get excited about benches, so. You know, it's a similar thing. I can see why you'd be into that. So true. I mean are you kind of like- I'm getting pestered, I know that much. Someone wants me.

Someone's calling you. Someone wants me. Who's it gonna be? Do you want me to help you out? It'll be one of my marriage partners. I'm just gonna send her a text. Go for it. So it is the mate partner?

It's the life partner, yeah. Is texting tricky with Parkinson's? It can be. Sorry about this. No, not at all, it's fine. It feels a bit naughty sat on here talking to you. Like this is the time where I really should be getting on with my life. Oh God.

That is naughty, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. I quite like it. Oh, that's good. Good, excellent. What's your wife saying out of interest? Where the fuck are you? What the hell are you doing?

Tell us about the... your wife partner then. All I can say is she's incredible. You're a huge fan. On every level. Oh that's fantastic. Is there any... I mean there's got to be something there isn't there? Surely you can't hit me with something annoying.

It's annoying that she's so amazing. Why does she choose you? I ask myself that every day. I'm sure she does now, I've got Parkinson's. Yeah, how's she been with it all? Great, yeah. Yeah. Any, is anything in it for her?

Not really. You're a bit more relaxed, a bit more at home, a bit more... Maybe I'm home a little bit more. Yeah. But that's not necessarily a bonus is it? Was it always a smooth, was it a smooth, it's always been smooth? No, relationships are difficult aren't they? They're very complicated. You know if you're not prepared to look at yourself and grow, you know, my first experience of really looking at myself was going to therapy years ago. And it was really useful and it's led, like I said, now down to this definitely more subtle and specific sort of teaching that I've arrived at. Have you got a good meeting story, you and your lady?

We met at the Lancery Students concert band in the saxophone section. Fantastic. Yeah. So both saxophonists? Yeah. What do they say about a saxophonist? Fucking cool.

The coolest instrument. What, and you just looked across? What was the vibe? I think she might have asked me out and I think I said no. Oh, okay. Why did you do that? I think I was more interested in the older girls in the orchestra, but I quickly came to realise the error of my ways. Do you remember that first time alone together?

It's a bit personal innit? You went more bedroom-y I was thinking more date-y. Date-y? No yeah getting the bus from my town to her town and meeting her at the bus stop and getting the butterflies in the stomach. Do you have some milk with you? I knew where to get off. No, I didn't. I left that to my grandma. Do you remember your first kiss? I'm afraid not. I'm not big on memory.

What do you mean you're not big, as in your memories? I don't have a very good one. That sounded like you weren't a fan of it. No, but what I was going to say was that memories are part of this belief system. So, you know, I'm not saying that memories aren't useful occasionally, but they also sort of... They get in the way. They reinforce this sense of separateness. This is what happens to me and I want to repeat it.

So it's quite handy for you then. You can say it's as part of your belief system, not memory. Exactly, and I can just let it all go. Surely wouldn't you like to remember this first kiss? Surely you can have it. I've had hundreds of them since then. I can pick any one of them that I can remember which is not many. Can you remember any?

Well I'm sure I can remember some but what's more important than right now? Very true. Can I ask you a very personal question? I thought that last one was quite personal. But go on. Is Parkinson's an effect lovemaking at all? In a positive way, weirdly enough. I don't know if it's the Parkinson's or the medication, but... It has a bonus, you didn't mention that before. in a positive way, weirdly enough. I don't know if it's the Parkinson's or the medication, but.

That's a bonus, you didn't mention that before. Well, you know, I don't want to be uncouth or crude. But again, what's uncouth about sex is how we're all here. No, true, yeah, no, fair enough. Like the funeral stuff. Yeah, no, fair enough. It's like that inevitability.

You're absolutely right. Yeah, my love life is flourishing, thank you. Really, how fantastic. They don't mention that, do they, on the posters? You're absolutely right. My love life is flourishing. Really? Fantastic. They don't mention that, do they? On the posters. I don't know whether it's the same for everyone. Although actually what they did say with this medication is you could well be prone to gambling.

Interesting. Hypersexualised. Wow. To the point where you would comment on women's physicality. Wow. So far you haven't done any of that. No, thankfully that's not affecting me. Well you said yes to this,

which could be gambling in a way. Yeah, you just seem like a nice guy, so I thought I'd go for it. So if you walk past a bookies and be like, oh yeah, go on. No, it hasn't happened to me, but apparently people have lost hundreds of thousands. Really?

Yeah. So if you saw someone hot at the bookies, he really would be in trouble. You'd be really in fucking big trouble, mate. Do you ever go to the bookies? I went once recently with my music partner who's historically been a fan of the bookies and I've never been in one in my life. Love it. So you thought, I'm going to have a go.

I didn't even have a go. I just observed. Oh, you didn't have a go? Is that in case you decided to get hooked? No, no. I didn't even have a go, I just observed. Oh, he didn't have a go? Is that in case he just started to get hurt? No, no, seriously, zero interest. I genuinely didn't. I just watched him put a bet on, watched him lose and thought, yeah, that's another fucking stupid thing, innit?

We've ruined millions of existences. I mean, when you see those gambling apps and all that, you just think, mate, some cunt is making loads of money out of people's inability to control their behaviour. It's just like that, he's rotten, man. So what did you observe other than that in the bookies? The complete fucking uselessness of it all. Did you say that out loud? No, because that's mean and...

You know, I'm not a religious person, but I do like certain religious speakers from history and you know one of Jesus' good lines was, hate the sin not the sinner. You know so... Don't hate the play, hate the game. Exactly. So, we might have to leave it there, I'm getting pestered. The last question I ask is always what are you going to do next? Today? Yeah, or just generally? Just keep doing what I'm doing. Go to the studio, make music,

go home, hang out with my wife, see my kids, see my friends, come to the park, walk with the dog, go to the golf, play table tennis. Very good for the brain, table tennis. Very good for the brain. Do my studies, whatever you want to call it. And, er... Learn, learn, learn until I drop dead. Perfect. Can you think of a good way we can end this? I thought that was quite good. I can see that being the last line of the podcast.

Learn, learn, learn till I drop dead. That was anonymous from Park Bench somewhere in London. Made my peace with mysteries and warnings in the dill His answers fade like phantoms, I just want to feel the same Cause if I don't, what remains? What remains? What remains, what remains, what remains Blow it up so you can breathe Oh, take it out so you can sing Oh, blow it up so you can breathe Oh, take it out so you can sing

Oh, blow it up so you can sing So you can read So you can read So take it on So you can sing So you can read So take it on So you can sing