Strict Scrutiny - Hot Mess
Episode Date: October 28, 2020Leah, Melissa, and Kate, discuss some recent activity on the Court’s “shadow docket” related to the election. Oh, and the fact that we have a new Supreme Court Justice. Follow us on Instagram,... Twitter, Threads, and Bluesky
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Mr. Chief Justice, may it please the court.
It's an old joke, but when a man argues against two beautiful ladies like this, they're going to have the last word.
She spoke, not elegantly, but with unmistakable clarity.
She said, I ask no favor for my sex.
All I ask of our brethren is that they take their feet off our necks.
Welcome back to Strict Scrutiny, your podcast about the Supreme Court. We're your hosts. I'm
Melissa Murray. I'm Leah Lippman in the fetal position on the bathroom floor. Not really.
I'm Kate Shaw. We can see Leah on video. She's not, but metaphorically, of course, she is.
So today we have a special emergency episode for you because there is so much going on with the
court that we wanted to update you about a few developments before we actually get to our next regular episode.
And enough things have happened on the court shadow docket regarding election law that we thought it was worth a quick update on those.
And then some other things happened, like we got a new Supreme Court justice.
So on Monday night, the Senate voted to confirm Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court Justice. So on Monday night, the Senate voted to confirm Judge Amy Coney Barrett
to the Supreme Court. Obviously, we're going to be talking a lot about the now Justice Barrett
going forward. But for the moment, let's maybe highlight some of the interesting aspects of
both the confirmation fight, as it were, and the installation of now Justice Barrett to the court.
So Leah, I know you have some thoughts.
Yeah.
So one is just the timing of this confirmation and its proximity to the end of this election.
The election will literally end a week from today.
And the Senate confirmed Justice Barrett a week before that happened,
and they did so after more than 60 million votes had been cast. I also think it's worth
comparing and contrasting the Republican Senate and Republican presidents'
quickness on this confirmation to Vice President Joe Biden's approach to court reform. So he's
received questions about his interest in various court reforms, including court expansion. And in
response to that, he announced that his intent where he elected would be to create a commission
on court reform and that that commission would be bipartisan and it would report findings back
to him after 180 days. And you just, again, contrast that with the
Supreme Court nomination and confirmation process that took way less than 80 days. And you contrast
that with the fact that President Trump already announced his intent to nominate someone to Judge
Barrett's seat, and he did so before she was even confirmed. And it's just clear that the parties
have such different approaches to the courts. You know, I actually think that
doing a commission and getting recommendations for more structural systemic change is good and right,
but I think it's a mistake to commit to not doing anything for the first 180 days, you know,
half year of your first presidency, particularly if, you know, you're going to be considering other legislation at
the same time. And again, like legislation that could very well be vulnerable to the 6-3
conservative court. I totally agree with that. I think the commission is actually a great idea.
The 180 days is probably too long. If there is momentum going into January, then maybe you give
the commission 60 or 90 days to come back with recommendations. And I feel like we haven't
explicitly said this, but we'll serve if called, right? On said commission. We have lots of ideas.
Oh, yeah. So call us, DM us. Slide into our DMs, Joe. Slide into our DMs. We're here.
We're here for you. So the commission got a lot of press and a lot of, I think, conservative media
made quite a lot of it. But to me, it seemed that the prospect of a commission was perhaps the most middle-of-the-road approach you could get on the question of court reform, which has been, had been, I think, pretty divisive.
But I think it's becoming increasingly on the wall.
I mean, this is the really interesting part of it. I think this entire confirmation process has turned people who I think could rightly be called institutionalists
into something more like radicals or reformers on the question of court reform. And to me,
that really is significant. I think the entire process has really moved the needle on a conversation that many progressives thought was like the third rail for a really long time.
Yeah. And I mean, like the confirmation, as we were saying, you know, happened basically
super quickly. You know, the announcement came something like September 25th or 26th. She's
already confirmed to the court. She was confirmed on essentially a strictly
partisan vote the first time that that's happened with a Supreme Court nominee since 1869. The vote
was 52-48 with only Republicans voting yes. Susan Collins was the only Republican senator to vote no.
So can I ask a question? Could you ever give anyone tenure on your faculty
under these circumstances and with a vote like this? Like the tenure process-
I don't know. I'm up for tenure next year,
so maybe we'll find out.
Is it tenure like the bar exam
where you're supposed to wanna pass
by the narrowest possible margin
and that means you're doing something right?
I will just say, I mean,
I wrote a lot of tenure letters this summer
and it requires going into someone's record
and really kind of reading everything, thinking about it, trying to put it into some kind of global perspective, thinking about it in relation to the other pieces that the person has done.
And for me to write a tenure letter, that takes probably at least four weeks just to go through everything, write a letter that's useful.
And then you send it in.
They have to read the letter, think about all of the letters in concert. And, you know, when I was doing someone, when I was chairing someone's
tenure committee, the whole process was probably at the most short it could be was something like
four months, like for a lifetime appointment to a faculty. And it certainly couldn't happen
on such a divided vote. I mean, most faculties,
I think, require a supermajority. So it just, to me, it's surprising that we have come to the point
where, you know, it's harder to be appointed to a faculty for life than it is to be appointed to
the Supreme Court. Interesting. So I haven't seen any supermajority voting requirements proposed in
all these structural reform conversations. Certainly, there have been some proposals
to require a supermajority vote on the court to,
say, strike down an act of Congress. But maybe in terms of confirmation reform, thinking about
the Constitution, obviously, in some places does create supermajority requirements like
conviction on impeachment in the Senate, but not here. But no, it's a nice point. And so she's
50-48. And Kavanaugh, the next most recent member, I think was 50-48. You know, he got Joe Manchin. So it wasn't a strictly a
partisan line vote, but essentially it was. But yeah, so we now have Republicans having appointed
15 of the 19 last justices, including the most recent by extraordinarily narrow margins. And
that's despite losing the popular vote in all but one of the last seven elections. So that is a
significant fact about the
current Supreme Court. But we shouldn't worry because Lisa Murkowski, in voting to confirm
Justice Barrett to the court, said, quote, I don't see her overturning the decision in Roe
v. Wade based on the weighting of the reliance factor. So we're all good ladies.
Okay, so what happened after the vote last night? So we're recording this on Tuesday.
She was confirmed by this narrow margin last night. And then what happened?
Well, what you do in the middle of a pandemic, you have a party, obviously. You have a party
at the White House. You film a video that you then later roll out as a campaign ad featuring
the new Supreme Court justice, as one does.
Right, so there was this swear hand ceremony in the South Lawn of the White House because one good turn deserves another.
And this was definitely better from the perspective of kind of COVID protocols, people wearing masks, the seats were somewhat spaced.
Well, people, not everyone.
The president wasn't wearing a mask.
Not a lot of face kissing without masks that I could see.
It was dark.
It's possible there was.
We didn't see any of it. But that was part of what was so crazy about the like mise en scene of the thing
was, you know, it happened immediately following the confirmation vote. And it's like, we don't
usually swear in Supreme Court justices under cover of darkness, right? Like it was so the
whole thing had this illicit quality because it was happening outside as it had to be. And it was happening at night.
And just like the contrast between the quick speech that Barrett gave about allegiance only to the Constitution and bearing no favor for the president or any policy preferences of her own just sort of was in such contrast to a few things.
But first and foremost, like, why are we here? Like, if there's, if it doesn't really matter, because
all she's going to do is interpret the Constitution, what is the rush, right? So that was
so hard to get your brain around. And then I think it is, you know, she definitely did say,
I, you know, I'm independent, and, and I will, And I will prove my independence by appearing in the
president's campaign video. Right. Well, so, but even appearing on the South Lawn at all, it was
like she absolutely post-confirmation had every ability to say no to that ceremony if she thought
it was improper. And she didn't, right? She seemed to enthusiastically participate. She showed up.
She stood side by side with the president, maskless.
Justice Thomas was there also maskless to swear her in. And I think a lot of people,
including the three of us, found the whole thing just wildly improper and political, even before it was converted into a campaign video a few hours later, but even while it was
happening in real time. And, you know, we all noted that the Chief Justice for John Roberts
didn't participate in the ceremony. And I am just desperately curious to know whether he declined to participate either because he thought the thing looked problematic politically on the eve of an election with the president, a party to these high stakes cases before the court and the question of judicial independence sort of front of mind.
And maybe because he was worried about COVID, or whether the White House
didn't even ask him because they preferred to have Justice Thomas there. Well, I wondered about this.
You know, Donald Trump has said that Clarence Thomas is his favorite justice, as it were. So
it didn't surprise me that Clarence Thomas was the one to swear her in at the White House
ceremony. It should be noted that she was also
again installed formally to the court today at the court itself by Chief Justice Roberts,
who administered the oath there. But for this sort of, I don't know, kind of performative
ceremony, it was Justice Thomas. Part of me wondered if that was purposeful, not only because Justice Thomas is the president's favorite justice, but perhaps also because it was kind of a giant FU, I think, to liberals, to Democrats, to have the person who replaced one of the liberal lions of the courts, wherein someone who is replacing yet another liberal
lion on the court. And the optics of Clarence Thomas swearing in Amy Coney Barrett was sort of,
you know, this is not the Warren court anymore. I mean, not that it ever was, but it was definitely
not the Warren court anymore. Yeah. And I mean, there's another possible reading here, which is
that Justice Thomas and Joe Biden also obviously have some pretty significant history, right? It
is arguably Biden's, you know, failure to do more to investigate Anita Hill's allegation during
Thomas's own confirmation hearings that, you know, prevented a further development of those
allegations that might have resulted in a different outcome in his confirmation vote. I mean, I doubt
anybody in the White House was thinking at that level of detail
about it. But there is deep history here, right, with all of these players. That's a really good
point. Not to miss out on the celebration, the House GOP made sure to tweet out a congratulations
on the confirmation of Justice Amy Coney Barrett. Who did they congratulate, Melissa? Well, it wasn't really a congratulations.
They noted the confirmation of now Justice Barrett. And then they also wished Hillary
Clinton a happy birthday. And this to me was just, you know, like, this was petty. And I,
you know, I'm kind of sometimes here for the petty, but this was just sort of like, wow, she's living rent free in your heads 24-7. Like, she is not thinking about you. Like, why would you even bring her into this? That to me was just wild. was the last Supreme Court confirmation hearing when now Justice Brett Kavanaugh,
in response to the allegations from Dr. Ford, announced, you know, what goes around comes
around and described Dr. Ford's allegations as part of a conspiracy to get back because of the
wrongs done to the Clintons. I mean, this is a vibe among certain people.
I mean, again, I was just sort of like, you know, Mariah Carey,
like, why are you so obsessed with me? I mean, it was it was it was definitely a vibe.
I mean, it was staffers, I'm sure. And yeah, it was just like it was staffers being petty,
but it was revealing. Also on the staffers point, and maybe this is also a petty observation on my part, but
I thought it was strange that now Justice Barrett went out of her way to thank the White
House and DOJ staffers who helped her with her confirmation process.
It's like, it's, you know, she's, I'm sure, you know, just being gracious and appreciative.
But combined with her thank you to the president, the fact that I think there are no Democrats
present at the ceremony, that she thanked only McConnell and Graham and not the Democrats.
So I think we're extremely nice to her during the course of the confirmation hearing. But then to
thank these staffers, right? Like, I mean, I have been one, so I can say they're just like political,
you know, young political lawyers, like helping run her around from one meeting to another. Like
she actually doesn't need, apart from if the purpose is to signal some sort of party allegiance to call out
specifically those staffers for assisting her. It just in the context of the other thank yous and
the conspicuous lack of thank yous to anybody on this other side of the aisle, like it just felt
like all of that spoke more loudly than some of the rhetoric about the kind of justice that she
intended to be. So I think it would have been nice if she just, even if it was completely pro forma, to say,
and thank you to ranking member Feinstein or whoever else for the warm welcome in the committee.
Maybe it was just being kind to the staffers, but you're right in the context of the other
thank yous and the absence of thanks to the other side.
You know, it might have looked a little more partisan than maybe she even intended it to.
So she's in chambers, right?
She was sworn in.
Which chambers?
Do we know?
Well.
I think we know there was Justice Ginsburg's old chambers.
Yeah.
That was fast.
Yeah.
Indeed.
That was really fast.
Aren't there other chambers?
I mean, do they have to do
that? Like, aren't there other places that people could go? When we were there, right,
Leah, I certainly remember there were more than nine chambers. There were other options,
I think, available. As the Senate was confirming, Justice Barrett, the court released an important order on a shadow docket regarding election rules in Pennsylvania because the Wisconsin order actually filled in some of the reasoning
that the court apparently had in mind when it decided the Pennsylvania decision.
So the U.S. Supreme Court in the Pennsylvania case issued an order on a stay application
regarding a Pennsylvania Supreme Court decision that concluded
absentee mail-in votes that were received after election day could be counted. I think it's worth it to explain the arguments in the case before we
explain the vote. So the Pennsylvania Supreme Court had said that under the state's election law,
mail-in ballots that are received two days after election day will be counted. So that's the state
Supreme Court interpreting state election law. The Pennsylvania GOP then runs off to the
Supreme Court and seeks a stay on two grounds. The first is that the Pennsylvania state Supreme
Court decision violates the federal statute that declares November 3rd election day. Here,
the argument is that by allowing ballots received after election day to be counted,
Pennsylvania has altered or contravened the federal statute declaring November 3rd Election Day. The second argument is kind of a Bush versus
Gore redux. So the Pennsylvania Republicans made an argument that was outlined in a concurring
opinion from Bush v. Gore that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court messed up in its interpretation of
Pennsylvania state law so badly that the Pennsylvania Supreme
Court had actually made election law rather than the Pennsylvania legislature. And that in so doing,
the Pennsylvania Supreme Court had violated the federal constitution, which requires state
legislatures rather than state courts to make election law. That was not the majority's rationale
in Bush v. Gore, but there was a concurring opinion by Justices Rehnquist, Scalia, and Thomas that surfaced this.
And, you know, obviously the argument is pretty inconsistent with the idea that federalism gives state courts the final say over the interpretation of state law and that state courts are more expert and familiar with state law than federal courts are.
But the Pennsylvania Republicans were saying that the state courts got the state law so wrong that it actually violated the federal constitution.
And they are asking the federal court to second guess what the state court said about the state law
because of this gross mistake that the state court had made.
The implications of this argument are also pretty
shocking because they could call into question state constitutional protections for the right
to vote because state constitutions are products of state lawmaking processes involving players
other than just the legislature. So they would basically elevate the legislature's role in
regulating elections to the extent that even if a legislature in a state decided to pass an
election law that clearly violated the state constitutional provision, that would stand and
a state court would be powerless to override it because state courts on this vision are essentially
powerless to regulate state elections. And so what the court did here, this was a case decided
just over a week ago, and the court tied 4-4 with Justices Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Kavanaugh, noting that they would have granted the Pennsylvania GOP's stay application.
But the other four members of the court voting to deny the stay application and that tie 4-4 left intact the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling that extended the receipt deadline for absentee ballots. But part of what was so distressing about the courts deciding this case on the shadow docket and giving us not one word
of its reasoning was that we didn't know whether the conservatives who would have granted this stay
accepted this really aggressive constitutional argument or maybe the statutory argument
or maybe some other argument or both of them, right? We just don't know because that's how
they typically do business on the shadow docket.
But we learned a little bit more based on what the court said in the Wisconsin decision about what was driving at least some of the justices in the Pennsylvania case. Yeah. And before we get to
the Wisconsin decision, I just want to note that the Pennsylvania Republican Party is already back
at the U.S. Supreme Court. So they have filed another stay application seeking to stay the
same Pennsylvania state Supreme Court decision that said mail-in ballots received two days after
the election will be counted. And so it's possible that we will see some decision on the stay
application now that there are nine members on the court at some point this week. One thing we
should say, though, that Pennsylvania GOP is back in the Supreme Court. There are now nine. And yet
there are very strong arguments that
Justice Barrett should not participate in resolving this latest request, right, to take a
second bite at the apple. And I think at least one Pennsylvania county has already filed a recusal
request with the Supreme Court seeking to have Justice Barrett recuse herself. So I don't think
we, I don't want to leave the impression that it is a foregone conclusion that she will participate,
nor do I think actually it would be proper for her to do so. But yeah, so what happened then
last night in Wisconsin, but also shedding some additional light on Pennsylvania?
All right. So fast forward to Monday night, as the Senate is confirming Justice Barrett along
party lines, the Supreme Court issued an order with several justices writing opinions declining
to stay a Seventh Circuit decision. The Seventh Circuit decision had stayed a Wisconsin
District Court decision that had effectively extended the receipt deadline for absentee
ballots until after Election Day. So the District Court said, in light of the pandemic and the
burden on the Postal Service, you have to count ballots received shortly after Election Day.
And the Seventh Circuit said, no, you don't. And now the Supreme Court has also said,
no, you don't. So several the Supreme Court has also said, no, you don't.
So several justices wrote separately to explain their decisions to deny the stay. The chief justice used the opinion to explain his votes in this case and the Pennsylvania case, as did several other justices.
Recall that the chief chose not to stay the Pennsylvania decision that allowed ballots received after Election Day to be counted. But here, he chose to stay the Wisconsin decision that allowed ballots received after Election Day to be
counted. He said the distinction was that the Wisconsin trial court decision deserved to be
stayed, but not the Pennsylvania Supreme Court decision because Wisconsin was a federal court
decision about federal law. By contrast, Justice Gorsuch, joined by Justice Kavanaugh, said that
COVID is not enough to extend the deadline, especially in light of states' other accommodations,
like providing absentee ballots applications over the summer. And in one very striking passage,
Justice Gorsuch explained that this is so because legislatures can be held accountable. Legislators
can be held accountable by the people
for the rules they write or failed to write. And applying this to Wisconsin, however, that's not
really true. Wisconsin is an extremely gerrymandered state, and that gerrymandering led to the challenge
that made its way to the Supreme Court before being dismissed on standing grounds, Gill versus
Whitford. And to give you some sense about how bad that particular gerrymander is, in 2012, Republicans won 60 assembly seats with 48% of the vote.
And in 2014, 63 of the seats went to Republicans with just 52% of the vote. This is out of a total
of 99 seats. Justice Kavanaugh wrote a concurrence. And here, you know, the concurrence first embraced a very muscular interpretation of the so-called Purcell principle, which is the idea that federal court should not alter the rules in an election close to the same degree in the U.S. Supreme Court, since, of course, he would have voted to stay the Pennsylvania state Supreme Court decision and alter the rules of the election
two weeks before the election.
I also think Justice Kagan, who wrote the dissent for the three liberals, had a really
nice response to this, just explaining that Purcell just tells courts to apply the usual
rules of equity, including all relevant factors, not just the calendar, so it doesn't create
some sort of hard and fast rule that states get to violate the Constitution in September or
October, but that they can't in April or May. He also expanded on earlier writings arguing that
federal courts owe a lot of deference to state legislatures about how to balance health and
voting. I've complained about this previously. I think deference is appropriate where there is
uncertainty about, for example, the size of gatherings that pose a risk to public health.
But there's just no uncertainty about whether there's a serious risk of voter fraud, which is the reason states are given for restricting voting.
And uncertainty doesn't mean simply people disagree or people are making arguments on both sides. So one of the parts of the opinion that got the most attention was this extensive footnote citing Bush versus Gore and arguing that state courts are limited in extending voting rights even during a pandemic and even in reliance on a state constitution if a state legislature objects.
We should say this is only the second time a Supreme Court justice has cited Bush versus Gore in the last 20 years.
The other was Justice Thomas in Arizona versus Arizona Tribal Council.
Lower courts have cited it plenty of times, but the Supreme Court
has conspicuously not. And again, it may portend the dramatic expansion of federal oversight of
state election rules that people warned about after Bush versus Gore. But the majority in that
case did not want to embrace, you know, it's essentially just this concurring opinion by
Chief Justice Rehnquist. I will say the fact that no one joined
Justice Kavanaugh's opinion seemed potentially significant to me. I'm probably reading too much
into it. It's my eternal optimism. Justice Thomas and Justice Alito did not explain their votes at
all. And Justice Thomas, of course, had joined that concurrence from Bush versus Gore. So I
assume now there are at least two for that position. Oh, I am sure there are two or three,
and probably four. I guess I just think that the fact that, you know, obviously Roberts doesn't
agree. We know that from his separate writing, but then all the action is sort of, I think,
with Gorsuch and the fact that although Kavanaugh joined Gorsuch, Gorsuch didn't join Kavanaugh. I
don't want to overread, but I also, you know, want to flag as potentially meaning something.
Can I say just something, maybe sort of connect some dots to some other things that we flagged on the podcast before, but I thought the entire veneration of
state legislatures was really interesting, just sort of the elevation of state legislatures as
the sort of sine qua non of legitimacy and accountability in terms of their responsiveness
to the electorate. And if you think about what Justice Kavanaugh is
doing in that opinion with the veneration of state legislatures, it's perhaps not surprising
that you have Justice Kagan coming back with this dissent, in part because I read her dissent as
kind of a follow-on to her dissent in Russo versus Common Cause from the October term 2019, which was a case about gerrymandering. The reason why I think
state legislatures loom so large here is because of all of the gerrymandering that has happened
that doesn't just affect the drawing of congressional districts. It also affects the
way that state legislative districts are drawn to. And so when you have many of these state
legislatures that are essentially captured
by a particular party, it's often because of the way the gerrymander has worked and allowed them
to sort of take over these seats. We draw maps and continue doing that. Sometimes the gerrymander can
actually even affect the way the state courts are composed because of the interaction between the
legislature and the state judiciary. So they're all sort of connected together.
And it is part of, I think, this whole question of minority rule
through what ostensibly are supposed to be majoritarian institutions.
Yeah, I was happy to see her flexing her dissenting muscles here.
Honestly, it was a really powerful dissent.
One thing to flag is that something we learned yesterday is that social media platforms may
in some instances be better at policing misinformation about the election than the Supreme Court
or at least than particular justices.
So earlier on Monday, the president made a claim on Twitter about how ballots received
after an election are illegitimate or throw an election into chaos.
Twitter flagged that as misinformation.
But honestly, Justice Kavanaugh was making kind of the same claim in explaining why the Wisconsin District Court could not extend the deadline for receipt of absentee ballots.
And Kagan had an incredibly, I thought, effective response to this.
She basically says, look, Justice Kavanaugh alleges that suspicions of impropriety will result if absentee ballots flow in after Election Day and potentially flip the results of an election. But this totally, this is me editorializing now, this isn't Keegan, but that totally buys in to the president's framing that the legitimate
results are the election day results. And that's never true, but it's especially not true when we
have the significant percentage of the population in a pandemic of voting by mail. So she responds
by saying, there are no results to flip until all valid votes are counted. Nothing could be more
suspicious or improper than refusing to tally votes once the clock strikes 12 on election night. To suggest otherwise,
especially in these fractious times, is to disserve the electoral process. So that is pretty strong
language for Supreme Court opinion. And, you know, she's suggesting that it's dangerous what he is
saying. I mean, it is. Like, it's kind of saying, you know, in order to avoid allegations
that the election is rigged, like we should rig the election by just like modifying the rules,
again, to ensure that people who voted during a pandemic by mail, some number of those votes are
not going to be counted. His claim is wildly out of step with what the actual law is. So 18 states
and the District of Columbia allow election officials to count ballots after they arrive
after election day. And state electors,
of course, don't meet until December, 41 days after state elections. If elections are closed,
states provide for automatic or requested recounts. Federal law creates a safe harbor provision that allows the state to certify its results. And those results are presumed conclusive if the state
certifies them within five weeks of election day. So there's just nothing to this idea that
all results have to
be announced Election Day, all votes counted by then. That has never been the case. That simply
can't be the case because a lot of states forbid, you know, beginning to count votes until Election
Day itself. Including a few critical states, right? Like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. And Michigan.
Yeah, yeah. Although a little pre-canvassing now, right? We can do processing. Yeah, but you can't
even, I think, do that in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
But it's also the case that in 2018, you know, not obviously a presidential cycle,
but remember, there were a number of California congressional races
we didn't know the outcome of until days were, in some instances, weeks after the election.
The Arizona Senate election was also not clear on election night.
And you know what? The world went on.
It's not that big a deal.
We can all wait a few days or weeks.
I think people have been trying to manage expectations in the media by simply saying
that we aren't going to have election night.
It's like election week.
I mean, I've heard plenty of commentators on most of the channels talking about this
idea that this is going to be a process.
Like we're not, we may not know the winner of the election
unless it is so decisive that it's a landslide.
Otherwise, it'll be election week.
And, you know, you're waiting for things to come in
just because of the unusual circumstances
that we find ourselves in.
So I thought this was just given all of the ways
people have been trying to manage expectations
about the election.
This was really interesting. So I also wanted to note that the Kavanaugh opinion also cited my NYU
colleague Rick Pildes for the proposition that late arriving ballots can destabilize election
results. But in fact, in the piece that was cited, Rick Pildes recommends that ballots received after
election day be counted on the ground that they may actually help
enhance democracy by ensuring that every voter has a say in the election. So that was a bit of
an inconsistency and sort of sloppy. And then there's another passage in which Justice Kavanaugh
notes that other states, such as Vermont, by contrast, have decided not to make changes to
their ordinary election rules. And this was kind of wrong because the Vermont
legislature has actually authorized the secretary of state to automatically mail a ballot to all
registered voters in response to the circumstances created by COVID. And in fact, when this opinion
was released, the Vermont secretary of state tweeted out that they had made this change. So
that's probably not going to go well in chambers. We've talked about
the problem of these shadow docket rulings where the court doesn't issue reasoned explanations for
its decisions. But part of the problem is it's also doing so without full briefing, without
argument, in a very harried fashion. And this concurrence really put that on display. Those
mistakes, there were others, conflating receipt and acceptance or
counting deadlines in a few different places. And, you know, he string sites a bunch of the
court's state decisions, treating them as presidential, even though they're not explained,
they're unsigned, and they're not usually treated as precedent. So it was just kind of a hot mess.
Ladies, I got to hop off to go teach, but see you soon.
Go get it. All right. We'll see you later. All right. There was also another order. The Supreme
Court issued a stay of a final decision issued after a trial in Alabama. And that decision
partially enjoined Alabama rules restricting curbside voting. And this was one that was,
I think, watched very closely by those in the disabilities community, which really is a place where curbside voting is important to ensure that those who have disabilities can participate in the electoral process.
Some counties in Alabama wanted to provide for curbside voting, particularly for the, and the district court found that the state prohibitions burdened the right to an African-American man who is in his 70s, who suffers from both
asthma and Parkinson's disease.
And the quote says, so many of my ancestors even died to vote.
And while I don't mind dying to vote, I think we're past that.
We're past that time.
I think that's probably right.
Yeah. And I mean, like the facts of the case just highlight that these burdens are not
exaggerated. They are very real for people. Porter's sister and uncle were hospitalized
with COVID and his uncle died days before the trial began. So we are now waiting on a few other
stay applications. We mentioned the Pennsylvania GOP's resubmission of the stay application regarding the Pennsylvania State Supreme Court decision.
We're also waiting on another stay application arising out of North Carolina and the Fourth Circuit.
There, the local election board extended the deadline for receipt of absentee ballots to nine days after the election.
And the Trump campaign and GOP are seeking a stay of that ruling.
There's also another cert petition that's been pending.
And this is one, Leah, I'm not actually even sure of the caption for it, but it involves the
Mississippi 15-week ban on abortion. And this has just sort of gone through multiple rounds
of conference, and it's still pending on the docket and question whether now that they have a full complement of justices, whether we'll actually see whether the court takes that up or declines to take that case up.
Yeah.
We shall see.
How much ice cream have you had in the last 24 hours?
Well, so actually in the last 24 hours, what I've eaten primarily has been chocolate pecan brownies, crème brûlée, several different flavors of Moscato
and Zingerman sandwiches. Oh, I had a Zingerman sandwich in Ann Arbor once. It was delicious.
And they have this coffee cake. So someone sends me this coffee cake for
every holiday season. And it's like the sour cream coffee cake. And they must put so much
sour cream in it because by the time it gets to California, it's still moist, which means it's
literally made with only fat. And it's delicious. Yeah, that's a good way to get through. That's a
good way. Yeah. So that's been the last 24 hours. I'm really looking forward to the next week.
Speaking of the next week, Election Day is a week from today, and it is really important that we all vote.
So how are we slash how have we voted?
I personally filled out my mail-in ballot and dropped it off at a very convenient drop box located in the Ann Arbor City Hall.
Kate, who had to hop off to teach, filled out her absentee ballot and I believe mailed it in.
She can correct me later if I was wrong.
I have not yet voted, but I am going to take my mail-in ballot and take it to a drop box
or alternately just drop it off at the local county clerk's office. But yes, definitely make a plan to vote
and to take it in and do it in person. This is probably not the time to be relying on the postal
service. Yeah. So that's probably all we have time for. We will, or I will, try to peel myself
off the bathroom floor and out of the metaphorical fetal position
before the next episode that we are recording at UVA, which we're very excited about.
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