Strict Scrutiny - SCOTUS Clears the Way for Trump’s Lawlessness

Episode Date: June 27, 2025

In an emergency episode, Leah, Kate, and Melissa break down today’s radical decision in Trump v. CASA, Inc., which gives this administration carte blanche to pursue its heinous agenda by curbing the... judiciary’s ability to issue nationwide injunctions. Get tickets for STRICT SCRUTINY LIVE – The Bad Decisions Tour 2025! 10/4 – ChicagoLearn more: http://crooked.com/eventsOrder your copy of Leah's book, Lawless: How the Supreme Court Runs on Conservative Grievance, Fringe Theories, and Bad VibesFollow us on Instagram, Threads, and Bluesky

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Starting point is 00:01:21 All I ask of our brethren is that they take their feet off our necks. Hello and welcome back to Strict Scrutiny, your podcast about the Supreme Court and the legal culture that surrounds it. We are your hosts. I'm Kate Shaw. I'm Melissa Murray. And I'm Leo Littman. And fuuuuuuck.
Starting point is 00:01:51 So today's emergency episode is going to focus on the decision we got in the birthright citizenship case about whether lower courts get to enforce the Constitution or whether instead Trump gets to violate the Constitution and federal laws unchecked, at least in some places as a little treat. We'll briefly summarize the result in the challenge to the Constitution and federal laws, unchecked, at least in some places, as a little treat. We'll briefly summarize the result in the challenge to the Voting Rights Act, which was no resolution, and quickly summarize the decision we got about LGBT reading materials in public schools and parents' right to challenge what is taught in public schools by insisting their child have a right to opt out of instruction they object to.
Starting point is 00:02:21 But we'll do a deeper dive on that case, as well as the other cases we got on on Friday on our episode that will be out on Monday. Well, let's just dive right in. Let's start with the bombshell ruling on the birthright citizenship issue where the question was not whether or not the 14th Amendment permits birthright citizenship, but rather whether district courts have the power to issue nationwide or universal injunctions. That is to issue orders blocking the executive from violating section one of the 14th amendment by issuing an executive order that rescinds birthright citizenship for anyone and not just simply applying that to the parties
Starting point is 00:02:58 who brought the lawsuit. Justice Amy Coney Barrett, whose summer season of being a cipher and allowing us all to wish cast our most fond hopes and dreams onto her has officially ended that summer season. She's back to being a school marm conservative. Writing for a 6 to 3 majority, Justice Barrett says that lower courts exceed their authority
Starting point is 00:03:22 when they issue nationwide injunctions that apply to those beyond the individuals bringing the suits. So thanks, Amy. You guys are so much better at coining phrases than I am. What? Hot schooled summer? Hot school marm summer? Hot school marm summer.
Starting point is 00:03:37 I don't know. I don't know. It's something. But right, this kind of season of Amy the Cipher is officially done. So let's start by bitch summer would be another thing that I would throw up. Nothing hot at all.
Starting point is 00:03:48 Nope, other direction entirely. Exactly. I think that's probably right. OK, so let's start just by summarizing. So the opinion, in my view at least, is simultaneously radical and kind of squirrely and disingenuous. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:04:02 Squirrely, do you mean like just genuinely nutty or invasive? Both. Let's go with both. Okay. So first, it is clearly radical in that it upends the settled practice of the courts in recent years by removing a key tool and really the key tool to combat executive lawlessness, which is of particular import in the second Trump administration, which poses unique and wildly dangerous threats to rights. And it does so, right, removes this key tool in a case in which the executive branch has
Starting point is 00:04:32 sought to do something wildly unconstitutional and birthright citizenship, as well as unlawful under statutes passed by Congress. So the court has done this unsettling in this case involving wild and rampant lawlessness in a case in which the executive branch, the Trump administration did not even ask the court to reverse the lower court injunctions on the merits because it is so obvious, I think honestly even to them,
Starting point is 00:05:00 that this executive order is indefensible under the law. So it is an appalling result in this case, and it is wildly destructive to the rule of law and executive constraint more broadly. And here's some of the squirreliness. The decision also seeks to present itself as offering something more measured. So here's what the end of the opinion says.
Starting point is 00:05:20 Quote, the government's applications to partially stay the preliminary injunctions are granted, but only to the extent that the injunctions are broader than necessary to provide complete relief to each plaintiff withstanding to sue. The lower courts shall move expeditiously to ensure that with respect to each plaintiff, the injunctions comport with this rule and otherwise comply with principles of equity. The injunctions are also stayed to the extent that they prohibit executive agencies from developing and issuing public guidance about the executive's plans
Starting point is 00:05:46 to implement the executive order," end quote. Right. Partially stay. Granted, only to the extent that. So, hmm. PS, hurry up, lower courts. It's on you. Like, fuck off, girl.
Starting point is 00:05:57 Oh my god. The contempt for lower courts woven throughout this opinion is really stunning. So some of this language seems clearly designed to project something more limited or measured. woven throughout this opinion is really stunning. But so some of this language seems clearly designed to project something more limited or measured. But the opinion also says pretty clearly that federal courts do not have the power
Starting point is 00:06:12 to issue nationwide or universal injunctions because according to Barrett, the Judiciary Act of 1789 endowed federal courts with jurisdiction over all suits in equity. And this statutory grant encompasses only the sorts of equitable remedies traditionally accorded by courts of equity at our country's inception. The whole history and tradition thing, I mean,
Starting point is 00:06:32 it's so selective. So yes, lower courts, you only get to do the things that you could do at the time the country was founded. But the president gets to do all the things that have accumulated over time. And you just can't stop him. Republican presidents can? Right.
Starting point is 00:06:46 Correct. Not at all. That's the part. It's just so uneven. This is the point you made to Senator Hawley when you were literally crushing him in that Senate judiciary hearing, Kate. It's not that the universal injunction just somehow came up.
Starting point is 00:07:02 It's that it has come up at a time when the president's power has accumulated in ways that were not foreseen at the founding. And there is not a whisper of acknowledgment of any of that anywhere in this opinion, right? So instead, we are focused exclusively, myopically, on the power of the federal courts to issue particular kinds of remedies.
Starting point is 00:07:20 And Barrett focuses on this decision in a case called Grupo Mexicana, which she was very fixated on in the oral argument. And she basically reads it to say that if Congress hasn't authorized a particular equitable remedy, then federal courts can only provide a particular kind of remedy if it was the kind that was available and issued by courts at the founding. And because universal injunctions were not available at the country's inception, courts can't issue that kind of remedy today. So first, to your point, Melissa,
Starting point is 00:07:46 it completely ignores the enormous change in the kind of governmental action that is subject to challenge for violating constitutional provisions and rights. But it also, of course, calls to mind this kind of courts couldn't do it at the founding so they can't do it today, logic along similar lines in other cases,
Starting point is 00:08:04 kind of like the right to bodily autonomy for women. I'm thinking of it. It starts with a D, ends with an S, has an OBS in the middle. An OBS in the middle. So on the logic of DOBS, bodily autonomy didn't exist for women at the founding, so we can't have it today. And obviously there are many other examples, right?
Starting point is 00:08:22 So take government's ability to limit people carrying around dangerous weapons in, say, New York City. Government didn't do that at the founding, not even going to ask whether people were carrying around the kinds of dangerous weapons that would necessitate a regulation of them. But because it didn't happen at the founding, we can't have those regulations today. So all this to say this opinion is another win for originalism, which is the interpretive method that is literally on a fast track to end all that is good about a once great nation. I mean, as she said in her
Starting point is 00:08:50 confirmation hearings, his methodology that is just as Scalia's is mine, Grupo Mexicano is a Scalia opinion. Yep. And even though there actually was a founding era device that did allow courts to grant relief that included nonparties. This is known as the Bill of Peace. That did not satisfy our favorite little originalist. Once again, the court here with Barrett writing moves the goalposts, insisting that the Bill of Peace just had different vibes than these modern nationwide injunctions, just not the same thing.
Starting point is 00:09:26 And that seems to be because former Notre Dame, now University of Chicago law professor, Sam Bray says they're just different. And Sam Bray was obviously there at the founding, and he would know. And Judge Jeff Sutton had a very colorful animal metaphor for the Bill of Peace. He said, quote, the domesticated animal metaphor for the Bill of Peace. He said, quote, the domesticated animal known as a Bill of Peace
Starting point is 00:09:49 looks nothing like the dragon of nationwide injunction. So between Judge Sutton and Sam Bray, I think we have enough men's to make a decision here, and that solves it. They are just obviously different, and the history doesn't history here. They are just different QED. Dracarys. The opinion however, Mila Sohoney would like a word. She keeps getting cited, but as like, you know, but contrast. Exactly. But see woman. At least they see her in the majority opinion, which is progress.
Starting point is 00:10:28 I mean, you know, DEI. It doesn't hear her anyway. But it does see her. Like, I can't hear you because you don't actually have a voice. No, women can be heard just not listened to. Correct. Growth and distinction. Yes.
Starting point is 00:10:40 So the opinion does provide a path by which advocates may be able to secure relief that could operate in a similar way as the universal injunction. Justice Barrett reminds us that Rule 23 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure provide for class actions that protect everyone who would be affected by this order. And as she insists, class actions are the modern day analog of the Bill of Peace. Not sure if I agree with that logic. Analogies. I will just say, though, class actions are available,
Starting point is 00:11:18 but they are not a panacea. And there are huge reasons to be concerned that class actions will not work in this way and in this particular context to limit the administration because generally when you are identifying yourself as a member of a class, you might, if you are, for example, undocumented, be inviting a kind of legal jeopardy. There's also just the practical effect. Most of the lawyers that bring class action claims, they operate, and Danny Savalos at MSNBC said,
Starting point is 00:11:51 and I thought it was apt, they're basically private investors who are hedging on particular claims that are going to cash in in particular ways. So these kinds of cases where undocumented persons are bringing these claims are not likely to be very attractive to those who are looking for suitable class action vehicles to press. And as we've said again, the fact
Starting point is 00:12:13 that the administration has doubled down on the law firms means that you're not going to find a lot of pro bono resources to bring these cases going further. So that's a real issue. Or it may be more difficult. I actually do think there will be a huge legal push. And I think some papers have maybe already even been filed in a couple of hours since the decision was issued.
Starting point is 00:12:31 But of course, you're right, the administration's efforts to limit the pool of available lawyers will have an impact here. Well, and also the administration indicated that they are going to resist litigating these cases as class actions. And this court has been very hostile to allowing plaintiffs to litigate cases as class action. So we don't even know whether they
Starting point is 00:12:48 would allow this case or others to proceed as class actions. And indeed, Justice Alito wrote a separate angry writing indicating that he did not want plaintiffs to be able to evade the limitations on nationwide injunctions by pursuing class actions in too many cases. Yeah. by pursuing class actions in too many cases. Yeah.
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Starting point is 00:14:11 All right, let's continue with Justice Barrett. Let's give Amy the full excavation, as it were. Another point that she makes here in her effort to constrain or limit this incredibly impactful opinion is to say that the court is only saying here that lower courts do not have this power through statutes that Congress has passed. So Congress has not conferred this power to the lower court. She says explicitly that the court does not
Starting point is 00:14:37 take a position on whether Article III of the Constitution, which provides for the judicial power, might confer a separate means of this kind of authority. But... So demure, so mindful, so moderate. Right, and also, as we have said previously, first you'd have to find a Congress,
Starting point is 00:14:54 and then it would have to pass a law giving courts the power to issue these injunctions, because as Barrett says, they don't have this as part of their kind of core equitable authority. And then, honestly, even I am not foolish enough to think that this court would be like, oh, fine. Congress passed a statute, and these courts can issue nationwide injunctions.
Starting point is 00:15:10 Obviously, I think they would also find that they exceed the judicial power under Article 3. She's just, again, sort of striking a pose of moderation. And that's not true. I think you could get a very firm majority led by Brett Kavanaugh to say that only the United States Supreme Court has the authority to issue a nationwide injunction.
Starting point is 00:15:27 And you basically have that in his concurrence, for sure. We'll get there. So I'm curious if you guys take this part of the opinion as, again, mere posturing or more substantive. But the opinion does seem pretty explicitly to leave open the possibility that lower courts could take another look at some of these cases focusing on states as plaintiffs and issue differently crafted injunctions that do apply to everyone born within a specific state where the states clearly have standing, they are injured,
Starting point is 00:15:56 they're gonna have to expend a lot of resources if an executive order like this goes into effect. And so that would that would still, you know, run only to individuals within the boundaries of a particular state, but it wouldn't require the use of the class action device. So let me just quickly read from Barrett's, this excerpt from Barrett's opinion, and I'm genuinely curious what you guys made of it. So she says, for instance, the district court could forbid the government
Starting point is 00:16:16 to apply the executive order within the respondent states, including to children born everywhere but living in those states. Or as the government says, the district court could direct the government to treat covered children as eligible for purposes of federally funded welfare benefits. She says, we decline to take up these arguments in the first instance.
Starting point is 00:16:32 The lower court should determine whether a narrower injunction is appropriate. We therefore leave it to them to consider these and any related arguments. I mean, I guess again, to our opening, this is just cosmetic, this is superficial, or this actually does mean, and we can talk about what the impact would be,
Starting point is 00:16:47 but it does mean that state-specific injunctions might still be available here. Yeah, so what does this mean on the ground? The ruling is not going to go into effect for 30 days. So the executive branch is allowed to begin developing implementation guidance. So as Elora Mukherjee told us when we had her on, advocates who have
Starting point is 00:17:05 been preparing for this possibility will immediately seek to file class actions on behalf of anyone who would be subject to this order, that is everyone here without legal authorization or who is here legally but has temporary status and is pregnant, and indeed one group has already refiled their suit as a class action and has asked a judge for an emergency restraining order. At the same time states are likely to ask the courts to do what Justice Barrett says the opinion leaves open seeking relief within the boundaries of their states and also arguing that nationwide relief is required to address all of the harms to them. Now as to whether courts will agree
Starting point is 00:17:42 with that, whether this Supreme Court will agree with that, that remains to be seen. Well, and that really is kind of the critical point. One of the things that we emphasized when we covered the oral argument in this case was that the question of birthright citizenship was sort of the ideal vehicle for a nationwide injunction, because the idea of a patchwork of different states
Starting point is 00:18:01 was wholly unpalatable. And if those litigants can't convince a court that their harms require nationwide relief, then we are existing the real possibility that just blue states with democratic AGs will successfully take up this option that Barrett demurely leaves open. And red state AGs are going to say,
Starting point is 00:18:21 peace, we're out of here. So we will have this patchwork system. It will be chaotic, which the New Jersey Solicitor General warned about in the oral argument. I think we played the clip in an earlier episode. So that's a real possibility. But to take a step back more generally, the court here is telling the administration
Starting point is 00:18:41 that the restraints are now off. They are literally unfettered. Anything you were thinking about doing but were worried that the lower courts would stop, there's nothing to stop you. This is essentially like the 2025 version of Trump versus United States. You can just go for it.
Starting point is 00:19:00 And Stephen Miller, this is your moment. You can just do the damn thing. And I think there's a very real chance that we have not seen yet what this administration is going to do with truly unfettered authority and no checks. Thank you, Amy. Thank you, dear John. Even Taylor references are not enough to lift spirits on this day. Other reactions as to the majority opinion? This is so petty, but I will go there. I truly hate the trivializing examples
Starting point is 00:19:32 she includes in many of her opinions. I mean, this, I think, may be her first big majority opinion, but when she's concurring and dissenting, she just uses really trivializing examples. So she talks when she's describing the impact of rulings on third parties, she talks about a nuisance
Starting point is 00:19:47 in which one neighbor sues another for blasting loud music at all hours of the night. Just like this case. I mean, literally having your baby be stateless, rendered stateless because they're not a citizen of the United States under this executive order and maybe not considered a citizen under your country
Starting point is 00:20:05 of origins rules for citizenship. I mean, loud music at night, stateless babies, basically. That's same thing. Same, same. Yeah, I was just like, just the callousness was actually, I thought kind of took my breath away just of the use of this example. The callousness from someone who is
Starting point is 00:20:22 the mother of naturalized citizens, like that's the part that I'm just like, I thought maybe that might truly make her more amenable to a more moderate position, but apparently not. Can I ask a question of you all? How did she get this opinion? Because this is an opinion that John Roberts, I think, typically.
Starting point is 00:20:40 DEI. I. I. I. I. I. I. I.
Starting point is 00:20:44 I. I. It's illegal now, but maybe not for everyone. Seriously, was the idea here that they needed, they wanted her on it and she was somehow going to narrow this? Because it doesn't feel super narrow, even with her sort of leaving open these very constrained lanes. I mean, would it have been worse if Roberts had written it or if God forbid Alito had gotten it? I mean, I just don't, why did she get this? Yes, Alito and Thomas would have written something worse. I don't know that Roberts would have written
Starting point is 00:21:15 anything very different. And I don't really know. I mean, I think that sort of what we said at the beginning about like the mask or gloves or both coming off, like I think that either John has decided you're ready or Amy has decided I am ready. But to the extent they were shielding her a bit from controversy at the beginning of her tenure
Starting point is 00:21:31 on the court, I think that is gone. She is willing to embrace it. You're on your own now, kid. Yeah, yeah, always have been. I mean, I don't know, but if this is a compromise opinion, I think it's really scary to contemplate like what it could have looked like. Speaking of, we need to talk about justice I mean, I don't know. But if this is a compromise opinion, I think it's really scary to contemplate what it could have looked like.
Starting point is 00:21:46 Speaking of, we need to talk about Justice Thomas's concurrence. OK, so here we are again. This conclarance is just another banger. In this concurrence in which Justice Gorsuch joined Justice Thomas, Justice Thomas says, quote, for good reason, the court today puts an end to the increasingly common practice of federal courts issuing universal injunctions.
Starting point is 00:22:10 Let's pause there for a minute. So much for Amy's insistence that this is a narrow, limited decision. This is like a full Dobbs move, like, guess what? We're actually doing the damn thing. Pay no attention to that limiting. Here's the real agenda. I'm the real Chief Justice here.
Starting point is 00:22:26 So yes, so much for that. It's not really that limited. We're getting rid of nationwide injunctions full stop. Justice Thomas then goes on to say, quote, the court also makes clear that the complete relief principle provides a ceiling on federal court's authority, which must be applied alongside other principles of equity and our holding that universal injunctions are impermissible.
Starting point is 00:22:47 And I thought this was rather chilling, because it seems like he's saying that the decision goes beyond simply limiting the scope of universal injunctions as a judicial remedy to also limit the scope of lower court's ordinary equitable powers, i.e. run-of-the-mill injunction. So this could be, I think, an invitation to litigation
Starting point is 00:23:08 to just challenge the ordinary scope of lower court powers to issue injunctive relief. And that might foreclose any avenue for limiting the administration. Right, he's like, guys, you don't have to defy outright. Just do it a little bit more in a slightly more civilized fashion and lodge a court challenge the ability of course, deport better. Right. Yeah. Seems like that's what he is suggesting. Worst of
Starting point is 00:23:31 times we have a cav concurrence. The TLDR of this one is he's not necessarily opposed to an Imperial judiciary. He just thinks that only the United States Supreme Court should get to be an imperial judiciary. Check that out. So he writes, quote, after today's decision, that order of operations will not change. In justiciable cases, this court, not the fucking district courts or those plebes on the courts of appeal,
Starting point is 00:23:58 will often still be the ultimate decision-maker as to the interim legal status of major new federal statutes and executive actions, end quote. You can guess which words I inserted there, but most of them are his. It also had big, I'm not a bad guy energy. This isn't so bad. And I just can't even deign to read those portions because today is just enough. He really is suggesting, yeah, I'm not a bad guy. This is not going to be so bad. Like if really, really lawless things happen, like there is, don't worry. Like there's a cop in town. It's me. It's me. We are exactly. And, and it's, it's both not comforting remotely, but also it's like if a poor Steve Lattic has been working hard already, I think that
Starting point is 00:24:41 guy's going to need to hire an entire staff because Kavanaugh just basically said, we're going to do a whole lot more on the shadow docket because we Supreme in case you didn't know. And they're already doing so much and not doing it remotely responsibly. I shudder to think what an expanded shadow docket in the coming terms is going to look like. Strict scrutiny is brought to you by Skims. I reach for Skims because I'm a fabric snob, and I'm someone who is always on the move. So I need good functional intimates that also feel good.
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Starting point is 00:26:17 After you place your order, be sure to let them know we sent you. Select podcast in the survey and be sure to select our show in the dropdown menu that follows. So now let's talk about the two scorching dissents. Justice Sotomayor had the main dissent and she read her dissent from the bench, going on for perhaps longer than I remember from any recent dissent. Over 15 minutes.
Starting point is 00:26:47 A long time. Yeah. So we're just going to offer a few highlights. It opens with, quote, no right is safe in the new legal regime the court creates. Today, the threat is to birthright citizenship. The majority holds that absent cumbersome class action litigation, courts cannot completely
Starting point is 00:27:02 enjoin even such plainly unlawful policies unless doing so is necessary to afford the formal party's complete relief. That holding renders constitutional guarantees meaningful in name only for any individuals who are not parties to a lawsuit. Because I will not be complicit in so grave an attack on our system of law, I dissent."
Starting point is 00:27:20 End quote. Not respectful, not demure, totally righteously enraged, read her dissent for, as Melissa was saying, a full 15 minutes from the bench. It was one of those days, can I just say, where I was so upset that the court does not livestream the opinion announcements, which if people don't realize, it is just this really weird, quirky practice
Starting point is 00:27:40 the court insists on, which is they now livestream all arguments, but not the audio for the opinion announcements, which is sometimes kind of interestingly different from the actual substance of the written opinion, and sometimes does give you a little bit more of a flavor of the actual kind of dynamics and emotions on the bench. And that they only want the people in the courtroom
Starting point is 00:27:59 to be able to get access to that until months and months later. But I really wish I was in there today. Would have been a good day. You could have spent a lot of time, because she was on one. Usually, they kind of trim it down a little to make it like the cliff notes of the dissent. I think she actually read the whole thing. Did she?
Starting point is 00:28:18 Wow. All right. Justice Jackson also dissented separately. And she wrote to say, quote, I agree with every word of Justice Sotomayor's dissent. I write separately to emphasize a key conceptual point. The court's decision to permit the executive to violate the Constitution with respect
Starting point is 00:28:34 to anyone who has not yet sued is an existential threat to the rule of law. Perhaps the degradation of our rule of law regime would happen anyway, but this court's complicity in the creation of a culture of law regime would happen anyway. But this court's complicity in the creation of a culture of disdain for lower courts, their rulings, and the law as they interpret it will surely hasten the downfall of our governing institutions,
Starting point is 00:28:53 enabling our collective demise. Yes, girl, all of that. Collective demise, like she is not fucking around. And the complicity, I just think, that is so important to say look I know obviously the principal threat is from Article 2 but so much of what Article 2 is doing is enabled by these clowns, my colleagues. It's almost like she listens to this podcast because we've been saying that the whole time like we had
Starting point is 00:29:19 to add a whole Article 2 section because Article 3 made Article 2 emboldened and empowered. Yeah. And now they're inextricably intertwined. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. And, and there's this interesting, I want to say more about this, but there's also it's article two and article three intertwined, but only the top echelon of article three, actually the rest of our three is actually doing something, which is why these guys are sticking it to them. Yes. So these guys, the Supreme Court and Article II
Starting point is 00:29:48 versus the rest of us, including the lower court, federal courts. Yeah, and the courts of appeal sometimes. Again, to remind everyone, the administration has filed a lawsuit against the entire district of Maryland's judges. You know what they're not suing? The Supreme Court.
Starting point is 00:30:04 Right. Right. Why? district of Maryland's judges. You know what they're not suing? The Supreme Court. Right. Right. Right. No, they're thanking them at the State of the Union. Thank you so much. I want to tie what Justice Jackson is saying, you know, saying this court is complicit in the culture
Starting point is 00:30:18 of disdain for lower courts to the opinion earlier this week, the atrocity that was DVD, the Third Country Removal Case, where there too Justice Sotomayor wrote, each time this court rewards non-compliance with discretionary relief, it further erodes respects for courts. Again, this court is enabling the administration's attacks on lower courts and defiance of lower courts and attempts to portray their efforts to hold the administration accountable illegitimate. Completely.
Starting point is 00:30:50 I mean, there's so much in the Jackson Descent I really encourage, and this is what my dissent is about, I encourage people to read those documents in their entirety. I just want to read maybe one more excerpt from the Jackson Descent, which is, quote, the very institution, our founding charter, charges with the duty to ensure universal adherence to the law now requires judges to shrug and turn their backs
Starting point is 00:31:11 to intermittent lawlessness with deep disillusionment I dissent. And I mean, like if you read her memoir, like this is a person who really has like deep reverence for the law and courts and the Supreme Court as an institution. And it is just clear that deep reverence for the law and courts and the Supreme Court as an institution. And it is just clear that that reverence just is kind of gone, having seen the way her colleagues have comported
Starting point is 00:31:33 themselves this term and in these recent cases. Now we have to talk about Justice Barrett's unprecedented swipe at Justice Jackson in the majority opinion. So Justice Barrett wrote this, quote, we will not dwell on Justice Jackson's argument, which is at odds with more than two centuries worth of precedent, not to mention the Constitution itself.
Starting point is 00:31:54 We observe only this. Justice Jackson decries an imperial executive while embracing an imperial judiciary. No one disputes that the executive has a duty to follow the law. I swear to God. Well, that makes me feel better. No, I'm just telling you right now,
Starting point is 00:32:12 Justice Jackson is at home like, fuck this bitch. Oh, yeah. I am at home being like, fuck this bitch. Truly, if a colleague said this to me, I might have to talk to you in the line to get lunch at the faculty lounge, but we are not friends. No. And so I may have to hold the door,
Starting point is 00:32:33 but you might get slammed on anyway. Just whatever. This is when we need to do that episode, KBJ's Anger Translator, and this would be in there. Exhibit A. Yeah. Exhibit A. We've all had this colleague. Yes.
Starting point is 00:32:49 Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, predictably, the Trump administration held a press conference to crow about its victory in the court. We're just going to hit the highlights. The president revealed himself to be a history and tradition guy. He repeated incessantly at the press conference
Starting point is 00:33:09 that section one of the 14th Amendment was for, quote, the babies of slaves, not for undocumented persons coming to the United States for, quote, unquote, a vacation. So I'm glad we cleared that up. AP US history, keep doing that good work. Pamela Jo Bondi was also at the press conference and she was weirdly very shouty while taking her victory lap.
Starting point is 00:33:33 Perhaps she should smile more. Also, both the president and the attorney general emphasize that the administration now has an open lane to act on its popular, as they put it, mandate to do what the voters elected them to do. And I feel compelled to offer a word here. The whole point of rights like those contained
Starting point is 00:33:54 in the first section of the 14th Amendment is that they aren't subject to popular vote or popular referendum. They aren't subject to revocation or rescission by a majority. They are supposed to transcend majoritarian politics. And indeed, the role of the courts has been to secure those rights and protect them
Starting point is 00:34:10 from the tyranny of the majority. Here, it seems, the administration thinks that the Constitution is just a suggestion that it can simply override because it won the electoral college, which I think means for all of us that this is a very dangerous moment. Yeah, I mean, their vision of purely presidential democracy where an electoral mandate, which they're
Starting point is 00:34:33 going to wildly over read, kind of- Well, and overstate. We don't even know what this mandate is. It's like a third of the country sat out the election. Completely, but that it neutralizes every other institution that is part of our Democrat Congress, local elected officials, courts, which are institutions in our democracy.
Starting point is 00:34:51 It is just stunning. It is also, we're going to talk briefly today, and then at more length in our Monday episode about Mahmoud versus Taylor, the storybook case, which they also crowed about in the press conference. Sorry, let me just find the quote from it. We also had another great ruling today on transgender books. I didn't realize books had gender identities.
Starting point is 00:35:14 Clearly, yes, but well, Bondi thinks they do. And they won or lost? That was Todd Blanch who said it. So both Bondi and Blanch apparently believe that books have genders. In any event, the point I was going to make is that they're very fixated on democracy when it's a presidential mandate, but also in Mahmood, the elected school board of Montgomery County made some decisions about what books to include in the elementary school curriculum.
Starting point is 00:35:41 And this majority just invalidated that. Why? Because the Constitution enshrines certain rights that courts have to protect and get. I'm not sure they see the tension. I'm 100% sure they don't. Yes. OK.
Starting point is 00:35:55 So before we move on, any big picture thoughts? Again, why did the court decide that this case about this massive existential question was the appropriate vehicle for curbing the nationwide injunction? We all know the Biden administration was subject to more than a few nationwide injunctions. Didn't they also ask the court to take up?
Starting point is 00:36:20 I distinctly remember the Biden administration also asking the court to take up this question of limits on the nationwide injunction. And the Republican justices decided that right now, five months into the Trump administration, now's the time to take up this longstanding question that apparently has vexed both sides of the aisle for some time now. I think maybe we haven't said enough,
Starting point is 00:36:43 and there's just much more to say about the kind of contempt for lower courts. This court has, in these unreasoned orders, like Leah already mentioned, DVD, but also the trans-military ban case and several others, overridden the careful decisions of district courts, reading statutes in the Constitution and issuing preliminary relief. And the court just sort of says, by fiat, like, nah, we disagree, but doesn't actually tell
Starting point is 00:37:10 us why. So we have known since the beginning of this administration that the court is acting in a wildly contemptuous fashion vis-a-vis the lower courts. And I think this just like further extends that kind of narrative. And it also is doing it at a moment in which Congress and the executive branch and crazy people on social media have, I don't think, ever targeted district judges harder. And the marshals have documented spikes in actual threats against district judges.
Starting point is 00:37:38 And I think it is just shameful and galling for the Supreme Court to essentially be adding fuel to that fire. Well, it's not just the threat to the lower courts. It's that those threats are coming, and the court is sort of engaged in this kind of gamesmanship with the administration. Justice Sotomayor called it gamesmanship.
Starting point is 00:37:56 She says, quote, the gamesmanship and the requests, the administration's requests to stay the nationwide injunction here, is apparent, and the government makes no attempt to hide it. Yet, shamefully, this court plays a lot. They know it's a big issue. They don't care about the underlying substantive issue.
Starting point is 00:38:14 They know they'd lose. They care about this procedural mechanism that, if shut down, opens up the door for them to do all kinds of things. And the court let them do it. I want to offer a few quick big picture thoughts. One is that I think the true significance of this decision is likely to materialize in cases other than the birthright
Starting point is 00:38:34 case, just because I think this will end up being one of those cases where states are able to establish that you need nationwide relief in order to remedy the harms to them or perhaps a class action. I mean who knows right but I do think that other cases are just going to be much more difficult to get past courts at that stage and that is going to lead to this patchwork of federal civil rights protections, federal statutory protections, and constitutional protections. Second is I think we should link this decision to something Melissa you talked about
Starting point is 00:39:04 yesterday with the Planned Parenthood decision Which is a broader project of nullifying civil rights enforcement and in particular mechanisms of enforcing reconstruction You know in the Planned Parenthood decision, they were like, yep can't really enforce section 1983 or public benefits Maybe they're going to say you can't really enforce the Voting Rights Act. In the disqualification decision from last term, they said states can't enforce section three of the 14th Amendment. And now they decided to take a case on section one of the 14th Amendment and use that as a vehicle
Starting point is 00:39:33 to curb the most effective tool that lower courts have to rein in the administration's lawlessness. You add to that potentially nullifying the due process clause and the shadow docket in DVD, the list goes on. And so many of these decisions place Donald Trump and Republicans above the law. These guys just come up with all of these legal rules, quote, legal rules, whose bottom line is actually you,
Starting point is 00:39:56 Republicans, don't have to comply with the law. Justice Jackson calls out the court for creating a zone of lawlessness and a law-free zone. She says, when the government says, do not allow the lower courts to enjoy an executive action universally as a remedy for unconstitutional conduct, what it is actually saying is that the executive wants to continue doing something that a court has determined violates the constitution. Please allow this. That is some solicitation. With its ruling ruling today the majority largely grants the government's
Starting point is 00:40:25 wish. She also posits that a Martian coming from another planet would look at this and wonder what good is the Constitution then? And again, we are looking at a world where after July 27th, there are open questions about whether a birth certificate showing you were born in the United States will be sufficient to prove your citizenship. Once again, thank you, Amy. Thank you, John, for facilitating all of this and then just fading to the back, not saying a word. Nope. All right. Well, last thing I'll say is that Leah, you really did call it after the oral argument. I was feeling a little hope and you're like, didn't hear, didn't hear five votes to just really reject the government's
Starting point is 00:41:00 arguments and I believe I also made fun of you too. Yeah, I think that's probably right. I believe I fucking wrote a book called Lawless. And all they are doing is vindicating. Yeah, Melissa and Leah, I can say the worst possible things about them. And each time they prove me right, they up the ante, though, like they're even there, they're even worse. Now, exactly. Yeah. OK, let's round out this emergency episode.
Starting point is 00:41:27 Okay, sounds good. Okay, so one of the big cases that we were looking for the opinion in, obviously really terrified about what that might hold, was Louisiana versus Calais. And actually we got kind of a lack of resolution, which I think bodes very, very ill for what is gonna happen next term.
Starting point is 00:41:43 But basically this was the case regarding a state's efforts to comply with the Voting Rights Act. And the Supreme Court, rather than deciding the case, scheduled it for a re-argument next year. So the question in the case was whether, when the state of Louisiana drew a map that complied with the VRA by ensuring black voters had political opportunities, that was unconstitutional race discrimination in violation of the Constitution. The justices, if you remember the oral argument, seemed kind of interested in relitigating
Starting point is 00:42:11 earlier decisions that had found the state's previous maps, which included just one district where black voters had political opportunities violated the VRA. So maybe they want to take a crack at those earlier findings. Or maybe they want to more directly have the parties brief and argue whether what remains of the VRA is unconstitutional. But we don't yet know exactly what the court is going to ask the parties to brief. In this case, we just know it's going
Starting point is 00:42:37 to get re-argued next term. And Justice Thomas took that personally. This is not a conclarance, but it is a dissent. Justice Thomas dissented here and suggested that he actually would like to do a racism right now. And by racism, I mean simply that he would like for this court to decide that any consideration of race as part of the remedy for a racial gerrymander is racist and violates the Constitution and the VRA
Starting point is 00:43:05 and a million other things. He just wanted to get to that right now. And his colleagues won't let him. It's just so hard for him. That poor little sausage. A part of me did wonder is the fact that they put this off. Will that delay his retirement plans or Sam's? Because they so badly want to be a part of this.
Starting point is 00:43:21 He was not going to retire. I don't think Justice Thomas was ever in any danger of retiring. He right now is the second longest-serving justice on the court. And I think he may want to try and get himself to number one and really stick it to the libs. Interesting.
Starting point is 00:43:35 Justice Alito now, the prospect. Yeah, it's so interesting. There's the two of them. We are almost to the day, like 20 years, from when sort of fatefully, Justice O'Connor and Chief Justice Rehnquist sort of sat down to huddle about who was going to announce retirement in 2005 in June. Rehnquist had just been diagnosed with thyroid cancer.
Starting point is 00:43:53 Everybody thought it would be him, but he surprised, I think, his old friend Sandra by saying, no, I'm not going anywhere. And so she announced her retirement. Anyway, all of this, of course, set in motion, the picks of Roberts as chief, Alito to fill the O'Connor vacancy. And 20 years later, this is what we've got, ladies. Anyway, I don't know exactly what's going to happen, but I don't think it's impossible that Alito announces.
Starting point is 00:44:14 I'm just going to tell you right now, I blame the whole John Roberts, Justice Alito on the court, on the fact that we do not have subsidized elder care in this country. Because Justice O'Connor stepped down to take care of her husband, who is suffering from really advanced dementia. And if we just had a public system of eldercare,
Starting point is 00:44:32 maybe she would have stayed on a little longer, and we would have been spared all of this. Just going to put that out there. Speaking of doing a racism and restoring racial hierarchies, as we were sitting down to record, news broke that the Trump administration appears to have effectively fired the president of the University of Virginia, Jim Ryan,
Starting point is 00:44:51 for the egregious action of, I think, allowing black students to enroll at UVA. The president does not have the power to fire university heads. The fact that universities might be letting him do so is an alarming, chilling sign of an attempted political takeover, state takeover of education. The unitary executive literally means the whole universe. The executive gets to fire anyone. And so it's reasonable. Just to be clear, Jim Ryan has been a great president for the University of Virginia.
Starting point is 00:45:28 He resigned this morning. There have been a cadre of old school alums of the university who have really been opposed to Jim Ryan's efforts to further diversify the university. They would like to make this just like when Thomas Jefferson was founding the university, which is to say a lot of different things. And they have tried to stock the university's board of visitors with more
Starting point is 00:45:52 conservative voices that could object to Jim Ryan's presidency and policies and they got a real assist with Glenn Youngkin who appointed a lot of conservatives to the board of visitors. But Youngkin is term-limited and it seems very likely that there will be a Democratic governor who can make different appointments to the Board of Visitors. So this was kind of a last gasp effort to really sideline Ryan in advance of what may be a real regime change. So I just want to thank Jim Ryan for his terrific service.
Starting point is 00:46:19 I am sorry that it ended this way and Kate is exactly right. There's no way that the President of the United States and the Department of Justice should ever have a say in the way a university is run, at least in this fashion. We also got the decision in Mahmoud versus Taylor, which we will focus on more extensively in Monday's episode.
Starting point is 00:46:37 Suffice to say, though, that it's a real banger, because Justice Alito wrote for a six to three majority that split along predictable ideological lines. And let's just say, anytime Justice Alito wrote for a 6 to 3 majority that split along predictable ideological lines. And let's just say anytime Justice Alito is writing about transgender books, you're in for a rollicking ride. Justice Alito writing for the majority concluded that parents challenging the school board's use of LGBTQ plus inclusive storybooks along with its decision to withhold the provision of opt-outs from those parents are entitled to a preliminary injunction here.
Starting point is 00:47:06 The parents, he said, had shown that they are likely to succeed on the merits of their claim because religion, and that they would also suffer irreparable harm absent injunctive relief. So if you were thinking, well, maybe there's a silver lining here, which is that this parental rights argument might be actually successfully deployed in like a round two of the litigation that overlining here, which is that this parental rights argument might be actually successfully deployed in, like,
Starting point is 00:47:25 around two of the litigation that was unsuccessful in Scrumedy, the health care for trans youth case, I would say not so fast. Because here, the overlay of religion and parental rights is really striking. And it kind of suggests the way the majority might distinguish a case like this from a case brought by parents of trans youth arguing for their right to make medical decisions for their children and, you know, kind of more parental
Starting point is 00:47:47 rights register. And I think what the court actually thinks is that parental rights are fundamental when the right issue is the right to raise your child in accordance with your religious beliefs. But parental rights are more kind of rights-ish or discretionary vibes when we're talking about your right to make medical decisions for your transgender child, and you live in a state in which the legislature is profoundly hostile to that effort. We did get a few surprises in the majority opinion, though.
Starting point is 00:48:15 In case you were wondering, apparently Justice Alito is a fan of DEI. He noted in the majority that the Montgomery County Public School's new policy drew objections from quote, hundreds of displeased parents, including many Muslim and Ethiopian Orthodox parents who appeared at the board's public meetings and implored the board to allow opt-outs. But he continues quote, the board was unmoved. As I'm sure we can all agree after hearing this, the real racists here seem to have been the school board.
Starting point is 00:48:49 Duh. As we discussed in our episode covering the oral argument in this case, there really isn't a lot slash any record evidence about how the books are being taught or whether the curriculum is having a particular effect on students. No matter, for Sam Alito, his take is that simply by being about gay people and trans people, the books pose a quote objective
Starting point is 00:49:11 danger to children and religious families. He is using, they are using the least serious arguments to erase LGBT people from everywhere they can, right? Like in the case of trans people, their very existence, right? In the case of LGBT people, any mention in schools. Happy Pride, like don't say gay, might be the universal rule for public schools in the near future. I'm just also going to note that this whole day of opinions
Starting point is 00:49:39 has felt like, smells like Dobbs' spirit, because once again, I'm just getting some Dobbs PTSD because Justice Alito, as is his want, decided to create an extensive appendix in Mahmood vs. Taylor where he reproduced substantial portions of the offensive trans books, including Uncle Bobby's Wedding and Prince and Knight, so that readers of the Supreme Court's opinions could see for themselves the books shocking affront to religion. We will get into this even more on Monday but just a little teaser for you. There are pictures in this opinion. All right so that's all we have time for today. Much more in our regularly scheduled episode on Monday morning. And meantime thank you and Godspeed to the
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