Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 021 - Phil's Crazy Craigslist Hook-Ups

Episode Date: May 5, 2014

Phil has been married for over a decade to a woman who hates sex. So, Phil uses Craigslist to hook up and engage in all kinds of interesting activities except for actual penetration. He's swapped sex videos with other couples, watched other couples have sex in real life and has given multiple women massages with "happy ending." He thinks this means he's not cheating, you might think otherwise. Tune in to for the details.   **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. Conversations with online strangers. We place ads online. Craigslist is definitely a gift that keeps on giving. Real people respond. You go to Singapore or Thailand. You can't not do it. The temptation is just too much.

Real problem. Does your friend know that you're banging her? No, he has no idea. And anything goes. Motto of the show, let your reflect lie. Probably the only good advice I'll ever give you is to re-hide your whips and change. Here are your hosts, Kathy Kay and Tommy. Hey, welcome to a strictly anonymous podcast.

You're listening to Kathy and my co-host Tommy. Hey, welcome. How are you, Kathy? I'm good. You know, if you want to call into the show, we just got to do our thing. Okay. Yeah, if you want to call into the show, I'm going to do it really fast. If you want to call into the show, send us an email, Strictly Anonymous Podcast.g.

We had one girl, Patty, passive Patty. She came in through the show. She wasn't a Craigslist call. Through the email, you mean? No, I mean, she emailed us because she listened to the show and she had a problem. Most of my callers are from Craigslist. The guy from today is from Craigslist. But we'd love to have listeners that listen.

Yes, absolutely. That want to call it, right? And we also want reviews. We say it every time. And when you're on iTunes and Stitcher, give us a review, favorable, hopefully. Stop with that. Don't even specify. Yeah, don't even specify.

If someone doesn't like us, they're not listening. Don't fucking review us. No. And then follow us. Let's do the Facebook and the... Yeah, follow us on Facebook and Twitter at Strict Anonymous. Right? It's Strict Anonymous?

At strictanonymous.com. Like us. Follow us. And like I said, write good reviews on iTunes for us. We really appreciate it. Yeah, great. Okay, so our caller today, he was another Joe. What is with Joe?

I swear, but I made him change his name and he's Phil. I don't know why people don't do like, you know, the good names, but why do people like, you know, the good names? but why do people like to make up fake names like Joe or guys just don't have any imagination? I think it's just easy. Yeah, I don't know. So Joe Robinson, but it's really Phil. I'm calling him Phil Robinson.

Phil Robinson. Like the Ducktails guy, Phil. Is that who? Is that who? Is that Robertson? I don't know. I don't want that, yeah. Yeah, they got into a lot of trouble.

Anyway, I can't read his email because his email is actually fascinating. He's married to, I'll give you like the gist of it. The email is so interesting. There's so many details that I think I just want him to. share that on the call because if I read it it is just like giving up the whole call right but basically what he is is a guy that's been married to one girl he's only fucked one woman in his whole life he's very Christian right it's like the it's like one of those Bible things him and his girl met in high school so he never fucked anybody else he doesn't want to cheat okay I just got

steamrolled yes he doesn't want to cheat because I've just I have this in my head he doesn't want to cheat but uh he's dying for sex because his girls into sex and he really is and they're seeing a sex therapist actually but he's done a couple of things a lot of things behind her back that he doesn't consider cheating but some people might and he's going to call in and explain those things okay is he religious or is he like fanatical no he said he's Christian he did say that he's read up in the Bible and he knows that what he's done is wrong the Bible said what he's done is wrong and he'll explain what he's done on the call and we could decide whether it's right or wrong I already can

No, you don't, I didn't show you the email. Okay. But he believes also through his studying of the Bible that Christians have much more flexibility with sex than they think. Meaning like, you know, it's not so bad to get laid and fucked and do crazy things even though you're Christian. Okay. Right? I don't know. What do you mean?

Okay. I don't, I don't subscribe to all that. It's a fucking history book. That's what I said. Anyway, we're not going to talk about religion. This is worse than celebrities. So that's the deal. So that'll be Phil and he'll be on shortly.

Okay. What's with your shirt? It says cold cock. What's cold cock? It's a whiskey, an American herbal infused whiskey. What do you mean herbal infused? It's basically a crossbeats. Well, you don't drink anymore, so you wouldn't know.

But Jack Daniels came out with a brand called Honey Jack. It's honey flavored whiskey. Right. And then they came out with another whiskey called Fireball. Cinnamon tastes like red hots. This is right in. Delicious. They are.

And it's a combination of the two, but with half the sugar. It's a shop brand. So like when you go, you get your beer and say, oh, give me a shot of Coldcock with it. I like the name. I like Coldcock. Can I ask you a question? This is completely off topic. But I was doing a poll this weekend.

I was out with a bunch of people. You were polling? I was polling. I did a jizz poll. I love talking about jizz. I did a jiz poll this weekend because I once had this guy friend of mine who seems like really nice guy but I know for the fact that his mother was a vicious cunt to him and used to beat the shit of him. She was like a crazy lady and he has serious commitment issues right but he's like

the really if he mad him he's like the nicest guy and we were always really good friends and there was a point in time where we thought maybe we were going to booty call with each other I was just looking and he could never have a relationship by there and so we were just getting sexual with each other over the phone and I was like so what's like your favorite thing to do and he listed two things These were his two top favorite things. One was jizzing on a girl's face. And the second was, which I found out is called ATM. Ass to mouth.

He liked to fuck a girl in the ass. Basically, what is cock in her mouth afterwards. So he wants to make her eat shit. So I believe that that like... He's a woman hater. Right? That's what I really think. I mean, I was completely turned off.

I'm into a lot of things, actually. I'm very open-minded and, you know, I'm curious. and I have an imagination, but those two things I'm not into. Like, seriously, I would rather you pee on me before you jizz on my face. Not pee on my face. My one friend told me once his girlfriend,

he had this really, like, crazy, drunk girl that he would fuck, and she was into all kinds of things, and she would sit on the toilet and spread her lips, and he would, like, pee on her clit. And I think there's something, that sounds kind of hot. Like, I could see that being a turn-on, because you get, like, hot water on there, and it's the pulsating thing.

She was like a dirty pig, but I could see that. That's not degrading. But if he's peeing on her face or jizzing on her face and fucking her in the ass and making her eat shit and he's a nice guy, he's not really a nice guy, right? That's hatred of women. I'm a nice guy, right? And you like to jizz on girls' faces? No. But I did do a revengeful thing.

What? Sort of like the ass to mouth. I was dating somebody and I knew she kind of did me dirty. So before I was going over to her house for a booty call I went over to her friend's house first Had sex with her Didn't shower and when I got to that girl's house She blew me

So I let it taste her friend Yeah and she didn't know though No way No not no way No you're really loud hold on okay Turn your thing down I'll delete this a little bit Go down keep talking you when you said no way You went up really hot

Oh sorry about that Okay No, I had a boyfriend. Big Dick Nick. I told the story already that he was out all day. Then he came home and I blew him and I tasted the fishy fish. Like it was there. You can taste it. She was just too dumb or I don't know.

Maybe you did clean it off more. Or maybe she cleaned it off afterwards. I don't know. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Maybe she sucked your dick afterwards and she took her own jizz off. But all I know is, but I'm just doing this poll and I want guys to write in. And I think that if you're a man, like do you, are you, are you,

interested in jizzing on girls' faces is that like I could see jizzing on her tits jizzing in her mouth you know jizzing all over her clit or her ass when you're screwing her from behind like those all things I totally get but in the face don't you think that there's something like do you like that no I don't like it I think it's funny kind of exactly but it's right funny to you but someone if someone thinks it's hot it's because he's like degrading a woman this is so my poll is this I've had a backfire on me too Why? Because you've tried to Do girls want you to jizz?

I was getting a blowjob And I was actually going to come in the girl's mouth And the crafty little chick that she was She just pointed the hose right at my face Like up my body Oh seriously? Yeah, so I jizzed in my own face Do you mind if a girl, let me ask you this

Do you mind? You didn't think that's funny? No, because that shit happens You know how many times I've gotten jizzed in my eye? Yeah, but from a guy's standpoint I don't want to jizz on my face What? all right

maybe I miss maybe I miss what you said what was the punchline to the whole story there was no punch line it was like I was actually gonna try to come in her mouth yeah and she pulled out

and she pulled out and she pointed my fucking dick at me and it come to my face hilarious that is kind of hilarious well I've had that happen to me by accident but I'm just saying so don't you think like start asking

your guy friends okay yeah seriously do you like and like and then the second thing was that he liked to like anal sex where he put the shit in her mouth afterwards. No.

I'm like, oh my, right. Would you want to do that? Kiss her goodbye. I like anal, but I don't want that either. No. It's gross. I'm not into fluids. You know what I mean?

I don't mind fluids. I know, no, no, no. But I don't want to, you know, after going in somewhere, I don't want to pull out and put it all over the place. Like, give it a wipe. Let me tell you something. I could work for the car. Like literally, this should be my next job.

I could work for the police station. And whenever they wanted to do drug tests, I could just go in and blow every guy and swallow their cum, and I could tell you who's doing drugs and who's not, because there is a taste. I swallow, I've always swallowed. And I could taste clean semen from dirty chemical drugged up semen. I could literally work for the cops and tell you exactly who does drugs and who does. I'm like a dog snipper, but I'm like a jizz. Calling Kathy the cock sucker.

Yeah, cold cocker. The cold cock sucker. Swear to God, I could tell. I could tell dirty, nasty chemical jizz. Girls out there, let me tell you, if you're blowing your guy, you swallow every now and then just to keep tabs on him if you don't want him doing drugs. Welcome to your new job at Hertz Rent-A-car. Our drug test is right in this room here.

You want me to pee in a cup? Nope, just come in my mouth. He's clean. Give him the keys. Yeah, he's like, can I apply for a job again? I mean, I would never really do that job, but you really can tell. And I'm sure there's other girls

that notice that. Kathy, the cock tester. One last question about jizz because it's like my favorite subject. Do you mind like, okay. Wait,

I got to ask you, do you know the differences between the chemical tastes? Yes. Can you say this guy does coke? This guy's a weed smoker? Totally. This guy drinks?

No, because there's like, yes, you could tell a pill popper from a heroin addict from a coke head. Absolutely. There's different chemicals. Like the pills are very,

different and acidic than like a lab coat no I don't want you to pull out I want the full load down my throat could be like a that should be in like a porn that would be great it's time for your drug test no this is my last just pull okay my last just pull is like say when your wife blows you or say anyone blows you and she swallows will you make out with her right after yes or no I have not to but why if some guy goes down on me I love to make out with him after most girls do right like they like to make out after because you want to know and see yourself and know that why are guys so jizzphobic listen as I've gotten older it's been less of an issue right well why are guys jizphobic is that a word no because when you're hashtag jizphobic I like jiz phobia comes from

kathy the cock sucker I obviously don't have jiz phobia We're going to get calls. Hey, we want to subscribe to your new drug testing kit. Can you come over and suck my cock before I go pee in a cup? That would be great. I can't even. So you're, why does it creep you out? Even if she swallows, it's not in her mouth.

Listen, it doesn't creep me out anymore. When it did, I want to know about that. I don't know, because when you're like a teenager, you have all these, you don't know anything. And, you know, you think, oh, I. I don't want to come in my, I don't know. Right, but I'm just saying, I don't think girl. Well, I need to do a poll. I don't mind.

I actually like it afterwards. So I wonder if other girls are like me. Do they mind if a guy goes down to them or they're like, oh, don't kiss me afterwards? I don't think so. But like, and I want to know if guys are like, most guys that I know don't want you to make out with them after they jizz in the mouth. All those guys at the cop station then I saw last night, none of them wanted to make out after their jizz test. Oh, my God. People would be like committing crime to get arrested.

Dude, do you know how they do the drug testing now at Midtown North? She sucks your cock and then tells you what you've been doing. What the fuck out of here? You feel like breaking cop windows. Can I get drug tested now? All right. Bring out Kathy to cock sucker. I don't know. When I was out to dinner with a whole group of people this weekend and I brought up this topic.

And I don't know. Is it inappropriate to like start polling? people about like the jizz the jizz thing the jizzing on the face and yes it is not the real answer yes no this is the thing there was a couple at the table a friend of ours that we know really well and she only likes asshole guys and she basically told this guy and they just newly dating and they're telling the story about how she told him like listen like you're so nice like i would never like you like you like you have to be an asshole or else i would never like you and he's just like oh and then she saw like some dark side of him and she was like oh thank god and i was like oh

why don't you just jizz on her face and then she'll really like you like just you know and then that got onto my pole and everything because everyone thought that was like so horrifying that I said that it was kind of a joke but I was like no because that means that he hates women and that'll turn you on because you're looking for an asshole I mean that was like my train of thought let me ask a question

were you invited back I was with my sister and her friends I don't know you know you're like don't bring the cocks like I'm here again the guy was cool he was like a big oh and a guy's guys don't care about stuff like that but girls get really weirded out about sex talk for some reason. I don't.

Whether I'm talking about truffles or the salad that's coming to the table or jizz, there's no difference to me. Not talking about a celebrity, but Cameron Diaz came out and said what you just said. What? She doesn't believe in monogamy. I know. Most people do.

She does. Right. Of course she doesn't. She dated Matt Dillon. Matt Dillon has hit on every person I know in New York City. Really? Yes. And he's like a, you know, he's kind of famous.

he could get really hot girls, but he bought him of the barrel. One of my ugliest friends he tried to hit on. I mean, like, he'll fuck anyone. Anyone out there if you want to fuck Matt Dillon? Just come to New York. It's a judge deal. No, you don't have to do anything. My sister's friend got chlamydia from him, but she said he was well hung. And that's a total,

I don't care strictly anonymous. We're outing him. But he's a total pig and she dated him. It's just like, so obviously she's had her share cheaters, right? And she doesn't believe, it's just, she's being realistic. I just wanted you to you know that she subscribes to the same theory Did you?

Yeah, because she's in that new movie. She's pimping out that new movie. I have no idea. Yeah, there's a new movie. But yeah, she had a whole interview. And she's like, you know, listen, I've been cheated on. And in most people's lifetime, they'll be cheated on. It's just the way that it is.

She doesn't know what the solution is. It's just like, I don't know what the solution is, but there's a problem. Women think men are monogamous and men really aren't. Yeah. I want to start a revolution. And if they were on drugs, you can taste it. Stop with the Giz talk. Well, I'll keep talking about that for hours.

It's my favorite topic. We need to get the collar on. Let's get, we'll be right back with Phil. Do you have a story, lifestyle, or situation you can't talk about to anyone, to anyone? Or do you just want to let your freak flag fly and be on the show? Well, Strictly Anonymous wants to hear from you. Send us an email, Strictly Anonymous podcast at gmail.com with your story and your anonymous name. And remember, everything is strictly.

strictly anonymous. Hi, Phil. Is this Phil? Yep, I'm here. Hey, Phil, you're on the call with me and Tommy. How you doing, Phil? Good. How are you guys? All right.

All right, so Phil, listen, I couldn't read your whole email because it's really long, and the details are really good that I feel like you should just kind of explain them, you know. Tommy read it, so he knows the deal. I think it's interesting how it unfolds because you started with, like, little things, and you went into other things. And I know that you don't consider yourself a cheater. I don't necessarily know if you have a question for the call, but I think your whole situation is fascinating.

I have explained already that you're married for. How long you've been married for? More than a decade. Okay. And this is your high school sweetheart, right? And you guys were both virgins, and you've both only been with each other, and you're very Christian, right?

Right. And so you don't, you would never cheat on your wife, but, like, you started to do little things with led to other things, and why don't you just explain? Like I think that you first started off sort of going online, right? Yeah, sure. Going online. You went to strip clubs.

You found them to be a total tease, right? But then you went on to line, and what did you do online there? Well, the online stuff is kind of where things get interesting because I was looking for some type of erotic experience, something I wasn't getting from my life. Where did you go online? Did you go on Craigslist? Yeah, it was always Craigslist or, you know, I did try some other sites,

but never really took off with them or had any kind of success. Craigslist was the best. And would you go to a quick question for you only because I put ads on Craigslist. Do you go to Craigslist? If say you're from Kansas, do you go to Craigslist in Kansas,

or were you going to Craigslist in like the bigger cities because you knew you had like more freaky people there? Well, it would depend on where I was. If I was traveling to a specific city, I would look in that city and post ads there, answer ads there. It really just depended on where I was. Okay, cool.

So you started online, and what were you looking for in the beginning? Well, in the beginning, I started off just wanting to watch. So I would look for ads from couples who were into voyeurism or, you know, I would post in the city. I've got a nice hotel room, you know, come use the room. And all I asked is that you let me watch, that kind of stuff. So it was really just to watch other people have sex. It wasn't really me looking to get laid or, you know, cheat or do anything crazy. That's just the initial place of where I was starting from.

No, no, no. You did say that you started actually. First you started sending erotic stories with women. And then you said you even, I think before you started inviting the women or the couples to hotel rooms to have sex, you sent home videos, right? and videos of yourself to couples, right? Of you and your wife. No had shot, like nobody knew who you were, right? But you would send those videos.

And would they send you videos too, the other couples? Oh, yeah. We're really hot couples that were interested in the same thing. You know, they wanted to spice things up. They wanted to have a little bit of fun, but with no risk. Right. Yeah, sorry, go on. Now you go on, please.

Well, I mean, I was just looking for nice people who wanted to have some fun. in a safe way. So it was safe for me. It was safe for them. And we traded videos and photos and talked about it and shared fantasies. And it was actually pretty hot. A couple of them even sent me videos where the girl turns around. And, you know, she's getting fucked up in style and says, you know, hey, I want your cock and talks.

It says my name. So, I mean, it got pretty interesting. Right. You couldn't do that because your wife didn't know that she was being recorded. Right, because you recorded yourself with your wife, right? Well, she knew that I was recording. She didn't have a problem with that, you know. She didn't know you were sharing.

Correct. Love these. And I'm always very careful to protect her face, and, you know, I'm not out there showing anything that would identify her or me. So it was always done with that in mind. Right. So these couples would send you these really hot videos. and you had a couple of like regular couples that you got videos from, or was it always random new people?

Usually just random. There were a couple that were repeat visitors that, you know, after we would stop talking, they would come back and say, hey, do you have anything new? We've got some stuff we want to share. So there have been a little bit of repeat communications with the same couples, but most of the time it was just new people that I would find on. ad somewhere. Right. And so there's a lot of people that are into this, like a lot of couples

out there that like to share their sex videos with random strangers? Yeah. So interesting. Yeah, there are. Well, no, I guess they think it's like hot. What? Yeah, absolutely. There's a lot of ads like that. A lot of people seem to be looking for it. Not everybody will respond, which is frustrating. You know, some people put out some really stringent requirements. Like what? But, well, they'll say, you know, you must send a face photo, you must do this, that, or the other. Oh, right, voice verify. It's just a lot of vulnerability right off the bat without really getting to know them first, which is kind of freaky.

Right. Because you don't know what they're going to do with your stuff. You know, they can be collectors and putting stuff on websites. It's kind of a risk. Also, like, did you ever feel like, I mean, who sends the video first? Like, did you ever get afraid that, like, you're going to send a video to somebody and then they have your thing and then you're not going to get anything in return? yeah i have done that once or twice usually i try to make it a reciprocal thing so you know if i'm gonna send

something the expectation is that there'll be something sent back to me in return and they normally do normally do yeah it's it's rare when i end up trading with somebody and it's just me sending stuff it's usually a two-way street and then would you have this stuff on like your computer at home or were you just watch it jerk off and then delete it or like were you saving this stuff to you have like some sort of private, you know, computer at home that if your wife got into, you'd be so busted. Because I know people that have gotten busted by those kind of computers. Yeah. Where is this stuff?

It is. Some of it is on a computer. I do use a webmail so that a lot of that stuff just gets saved in email. Because I hate instant messengers and file swapping that way. Right. So a lot of it is just an email attachment so I can keep forever an archive. And as long as I don't run out of space on the service, you know, all that stuff can be there. I can go back if I want.

So you jerk off to this stuff like late at night or when your wife isn't home and that's what you use? Occasionally, but to be honest, it wasn't a lot of me just masturbating to it because I, you know, I wanted to, whatever. It was really just to see something to share in a rotten moment with somebody else. There were times when I would masturbate to it and, you know, it just happened. Yeah, but to their video. But it wasn't something that I did all the time, which sounds funny. Yeah, so it was more about you sending them yours. That was the pleasure for, like, that's what you got pleasure out of, more sending it and being like a voyeur,

knowing that they were watching being voyeurs in your life? Like, what did you get out of it? Like, what was the turn on for you? Well, the turn on for me is I enjoy turning on other people. So it was, it was hot for me to say, hey, check this out. you know, I really like this video what you think, you know, and to get something back was great and arousing. But the real thing for me was, hey, you know, they'd send something back and say, hey, that was

really hot, you know, your girl looks great, nice talk, or, you know, whatever. So there's a little bit of positive feedback involved. And it was just a thrill to share what's, you know, from a lot of people is normally a private thing with another couple who was into it and, you know, they would give you feedback. Right. And maybe it was like the feedback because, you know, we already explained that your girl wasn't really into sex. So maybe it was like the feedback that you weren't getting from her. So you're like, right.

And so then, so you did this like first you're doing, you know, the videos swapping with people. And then, you know, because you travel for business, you started to actually solicit couples to come to your hotel room, right, and have sex and you would watch them. exactly I did that three times when I travel for my job I would go to a city and try to find people that would like to come to the hotel room obviously you know in big cities that's kind of a risk due for personal safety right and you know a lot of times I wasn't even thinking hey maybe I shouldn't be doing this it was more like oh man I'm lonely I'm I'm horny I want to do something erotic and I don't want to go dump a ton of money at a strip club or some waste of time

right and you won't have actual sex they went so it's not like hookers or prostitutes or open season like you can't do that right because that would be cheating yeah i i did not let myself do any of that i totally was um sort of against it on an ideological level maybe but it was more like i wasn't ready for that and i did get pushed for sex a couple of times right because there was one couple right one so you have had three different occasions where strange couples that you never met before come to your hotel room and you know walk me through that like they come in and are they like drunk or do you guys have drinks and you talk a little bit do they get like into the sex right away like how does it happen you know it sounds weird

but uh and it was a little awkward when I would go down to the lobby in the hotel and meet them there and then bring them up to my room right because it was it was always later at night there's a hotel employee by the elevators you know they're looking at you it's a little bit weird

Very interesting. They probably figure, oh, this guy's gone out and hired someone or whatever. You know, who knows what they're thinking. Right. But, you know, bring them up to the room. We chat. All three times I did it, it really wasn't drinking or eating. It was really just a little bit of chit chat.

And then they were like, all right, well, how about we go ahead and start? And I'm like, yeah, sure, there's the bed. I'll sit here and you go to town and do what you want to do. Unfortunately, and what I was hoping for was a couple who were. would let me do a little touching maybe, in addition to just watching. But all three times, it was pretty much, except for the last time where the woman wanted me to have sex with her against my will. Most of the other times were, you know, no touching, just watch, you know, do your thing.

Before I could even do anything the first two times, the couple was done. The guy came, and that was it. So it was kind of a downer. But, I mean, the girls were hot. The sex was cool. It was neat to see another couple have sex and see what that was like and see a woman enjoy it. What were the demographics of these couples? Were they, do you know whether they were married or boyfriend and girlfriend?

Were they older, younger? One of the couples was married. The other two were just dating. Two of the couples were pretty young, I would say, in their 20s. The other couple was probably in their late 30s, low 40s. But the women were hot. Yeah. And the last couple, the guy was drunk, right?

That's what you said in your email. And the woman... Yeah. That time was a little bit different just because I went to their hotel room. They had placed an ad that I had responded to. So I show up at their hotel. And I'm greeted at the door by a really good-looking, you know, older woman. She's probably, like I said, in her 40s.

Nice body. She's very seductive. I'm greeted with a kiss and she's in lingerie. and, you know, she wants to pull me in and have me feel all over her. And it was very touchy-feely, very erotic. But that's what you wanted, right? That's what you were waiting for. You said you were waiting for a couple that allowed you to be touchy-feely.

Right, which was really awesome. I wasn't expecting that with this couple. So the fact she wanted me to touch her, and, you know, I ended up fingering her pussy and rubbing her clit and all kinds of stuff that night. And it was great. It was a really wild experience for me. I was nervous the whole time. I had never done that to anyone else before other than my wife.

So it was really a thrill. Of course. That's that cheating thrill. I know you don't consider yourself having ever cheated on your wife, but we'll get into that later. And she wanted you to fuck her, right? Like that woman. You said in the email that she was throwing you condoms.

Yeah, she threw condoms at me a couple of times and wanted me to fuck her. I mean, she came out and said it several times, but her husband couldn't get it up. He was just totally drunk off in the corner, touching on himself, trying to get it going, and this wasn't happening for him. So, wait, did you get her off with your fingers? Like, did you finger her?

Like, did you play with her clit? Like, did you get her off? I tried to. I was still pretty young at the time and a little bit naive. What worked on my wife when she would enjoy it did not work for this lady. So I tried. for a little bit, and then she got a little tired of me maybe and ready to just stop. So I ended up coming on her stomach, and that was pretty much it.

She went to shower. I did try, and it was my intention to make her come, but it just didn't work out. But you jerked off and you came on her stomach. And then there's another thing. Then you transitioned into another area, right, after the couples. Yeah, I did. The next couple times that I would travel, I was looking for women. who wanted a massage.

I wanted to give them, you know, a full body, erotic massage in the hotel room, you know, let them relax, help them out, be stressed, and, you know, hey, all for a happy ending. Right. I mean, this was, right, this was that kind of a massage. You were not charging for it, right? No. And you have no massage table there. They're going on your bed, right?

That's correct. Yeah, they were on the bed. And, you know, that also turned out to be a very erotic thing. more often than not. The first time I tried it, we took a shower together. It was very slow. It was erotic. How old was the woman?

The woman the first time, do they send pictures ahead of time so you know exactly what you're getting? Yes. I did have pictures of all the women who wanted to do this. Are they accurate? Were the pictures accurate? Yeah, they were. I had had the first couple that I watched at 6 in the hotel room actually. who sent me pictures that were not representative of what they were like in real life, which was

a little bit weird. Yeah. But all the rest of the people that I've dealt with have been a very good experience. In fact, you know, the chatting beforehand, people are just very nice and very down to earth and just really into it to just enjoy each other while someone watches. They just like that. They want somebody that's not going to push them to do stuff they don't want to do, that kind of thing. So it worked out for everybody, and, you know, it was a good time had by all.

Right. Okay. So the first woman that comes to your place and wants a massage, how do you wind up in the shower with her? Well, that one, we had sat on the couch and chatted for a little bit. She suggested we go. She asked me where the bathroom was. How old was she and how hot was she? She was probably about 24.

Really? Somewhere in the mid-20s. Really? I always think like only older women would do. Like what is a 24 year old into a little wild? Yeah, you don't know. That's what's interesting. Okay, so she's 24.

Was she pretty? She was very pretty. This was an Asian girl, beautiful skin, nice hair, nice body. Just really, really sexy. Oh, I get it. She's so used to that poor girl. She wanted somebody to be Asian with her. I mean, these poor Asian women are always doing massages for everyone else.

Of course she wanted you to service her. I totally get that as poor Asian women. I always say that. That's all I do is service men all the time. My friend's dating one that doesn't speak English and he loves it because he says he walks around his house. He just drops things and she follows him and picks them up. I mean, please. Yeah, it was probably his girlfriend that you serviced at your hotel room.

Wait, so she was Asian. She was very hot. She was 24. You guys wound up in the shower. They're very into cleansliness. You know, they're very into being clean. you got into the shower to like clean up ahead of time that was the only time that i had a shower with anyone else uh the rest of the people just came in and it you know it was just uh okay clothes come

off land the bed let's go type of thing um i'm really happy that i had that shower experience because i've never had anything like that i mean she washed me i watched her there was it was just a beautiful moment how long did that shower take um all in all it was probably about 15 or 20 minutes. Right. That's a nice long shower. And so you're totally aroused by that, and she is too, right?

I'm assuming you're, like, cleaning your private parts with each other? Oh, yeah, absolutely. It was very intimate. So you come out and then, so all these women get happy endings from you, right? That was the goal. I did not want to leave anyone unsatisfied.

You're a thoughtful guy. I could. If they were willing, I was totally into that, you know. It wasn't me just trying to, take from somebody it was me trying to give right right so and how many massages did you give that i also did three times three different times yep right and so but and you fingered these people right yeah every one of them um the three that wanted the massage all of them wanted me to finger them and

you know try to get them off and it you know that that worked great every one of them was happy it was it was It was really exciting. You know, because they get the massage, plus they get the pleasure. I mean, it's a double bonus. Did they try to pay you or tip you or ever? No, they gave him a hand job. No. Okay.

No, yeah, but they did want to touch me. I mean, that was one of the things that I was kind of surprised. I thought it would just be me, you know, working on them. But it turned out, hey, they wanted to touch me. They would ask if that was okay. I'd be like, yeah, totally. Go for it. Did they ever try to approach you to have sex with them after?

There was one who assumed we were going to have sex And then she was about to climb on top of me I was like no no no sex will just just play And then she was like oh okay oh yeah What are you doing dude? He's not cheating that's what he thinks This is what the whole thing about this call is I'll tell you I'll give you my final opinion at the end

No there's not an opinion but wait So you got so that's where you're at now right You haven't gotten further than your massages right but like what would be the next thing like what is your mind thinking is like maybe your next thing because you have to be like there has to be another thing you're going for well i actually haven't done anything in a while it's been well over a year since the last time i met anybody off the internet or or anything like that i have a couple of people i talk to on the internet who you know are good female friends a couple of them are just friends we talk about more than just sex and uh that

ended up morphing into like an online friendship but i don't really know like if there's the next thing, I'm not sure if I'm really ready for that. I know I want to, you know, physically, for sure, but I just don't know, like, what I'm prepared to do. And I know what I'm capable of, which can sometimes be scary, but I don't know, like, if I'm ready to go that next step. Now, where are you right now with your wife? You're in your, with a sex therapist, right? Yeah, we're seeing somebody right now. hopefully that will help.

How many times have you gone? Only a couple so far. Has there been, you know, I know the first time when you go to one of them. A sex therapist? Yeah, I don't even know how that works. They tell you how to start intimacy and what little things you can do to try to create atmosphere. Am I right or wrong? You know, has any of it worked a little bit?

Has your wife started to give it up a little bit? It's too early to tell at this point. I don't know if this is going to help or not. We've tried stuff before, and, you know, it's been kind of an up-and-down battle. There are times when there's a little bit of progress and then things kind of go downhill. And it's been a roller coaster. So I'm cautiously optimistic. You guys have kids, right?

How many kids do you have? Yeah, we have three kids. Three kids. Did the sex go down after, like, all those kids? Or it was just always the sex was, like, an issue? No, it's always been like this, yeah, always an issue. Right. And when did this, like, online stuff start for you?

Like, you've been married for, you know, many, many years. Like, how many years have you been doing this stuff behind her back? Oh, man. It really didn't start until about nine or ten years after we got married. Right. So for a long time, I was doing nothing and started to use the Internet to try to talk to other women. Yeah, you obviously have a lot of self-control, considering that... A lot of self-control.

Yeah. Like a ridiculously large amount of self-control. Yeah, most guys would just be banging girls on this way. I'd be banging girls left and right, bouncing off the walls. Right, but you're very Christian too, right? And that's like an issue for you, right? Yeah, that's definitely one thing that's sort of keeping me under control, so to speak. Okay, but wait, wait, yeah.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. But wait, but... You know what we're going to do. going to say. You know, how Christian, I mean, and I don't even believe that like if there is a God or really that you're not allowed to have sex, like you say that you believe that, you know, your religion, you can have more sexual freedom that they say. But don't you think what you've done is considered cheating?

Like, you don't think what you've done is already, like, you know. You did it already. I just don't understand why you just don't put your dick into it. He sees it different. I think everyone sees things differently. it and you know I'm totally listening to like I mean you you did things that I thought would be dirtier than just fucking somebody yeah and scary like and more I would be more nervous to do any of those things than just you know yeah I think I think some of the things you did like

creating the environment and the setup and the atmosphere and the massage watching other couples have sex that's so off the the grid I would Yeah, I would be like if, you know, if my wife came to me and said, listen, I met this guy, a little too much to drink, things haven't. We've been married for 100 years. I fucked him and it's over and that's it. Like, not over our relationship, but like, can you get over it? I would be, of course, I'd be upset, but I would be, all right, this happened. Then, story two, my wife comes to me and said, listen, I was online the other week and I met this group of people and I went to a hotel room. and basically watched everybody fuck and then you know then the guy fingered me but i didn't have intercourse and i left and i've done this like six or seven times i would probably be more accepting of the that she got laid and just was got past it i know but you know what i think and uh phil you tell me if i'm wrong i think in your mind you see what you're doing as less dirty even though tommy's mind sees it differently you see

what you're doing like you figured out a way for you to sort of get that rush or whatever you need within some weirdo boundaries that you have in your head not weirdo that's the wrong word that is like complete wrong word you know the boundaries that you have set up for you of what's right and what's wrong and in your mind like what you've done is less dirty right yeah I think that's probably a good summary of it I mean we're very good at justifying things to ourselves

So I'm certainly guilty of that. I'm not trying to say like I'm some perfect angel or have done everything right. You know, sure what I've done I'm convinced is wrong. But, you know, it's one of those things. Like you get into a desperate situation and you do desperate things. Right. And what sucks is that, you know, it's a big problem like with marriage and I think some women are repressed sexually. And, you know, people are in marriages and they're with the same person for so long.

And like there's a lot of like things. you could go into here that you're dealing with because you've been married for a really long time and you've only been with one person your whole life which to me is a little unnatural so you're trying to, you know, naturally. Get a lot of ground to make up. Yeah, but you're doing it within

like I said, these boundaries that make you feel okay with yourself so that you could look at your wife when you come back from these trips after you'd watched a strange couple of sex in front of you and feel totally fine, right? Like do you have guilt afterwards? Yeah, I have felt guilty. And, you know, like I said, in the middle of it, I'm pretty nervous.

Yeah, but isn't that the rush? Well, I mean, it could be the rush, but I think for me it was more like, oh, my gosh, I can't believe this is happening. This couple is about that sex in front of me. Wow. I've never seen anything like this in person. These people could be dangerous. I don't know anything about them.

I mean, this is the rush. I know that feeling. That's the rush. Like, are you saying that's the bad part of it? I think that that's what you're looking for. That's what you're looking for. I don't know that I enjoyed it, the rush part of it, though. To me, it was sort of scary, and, you know, I'd be almost shaking.

But you do it again. Let me tell you something. Like, we get a dig. Like, people were feeling creatures. Like, we could get really into any kind of feeling that makes us feel alive, good or bad. Like, seriously. You know what I mean? It's like, you could, that feeling that you felt was, like, wrong or it was scary.

But it was so intense that you keep going back to it. I'm concerned about, I'm not concerned, I'm still going to ask the question about the line in the sand of when, when it stops where intercourse would begin, you know what I mean? What's the question? The question is, have you ever been when you're engaging, doing the massage, getting the hand job, figuring, fingering, or whatever, has it been in your mind when, you know, saying, wow, all I really want to do is fuck this woman right? now or are you getting more satisfaction from all this like titillation you know I think for me I was really enjoying the the intimacy and eroticism of just touching another person to bringing pleasure to them I don't think at any point I was like oh man I wish I could just have sex with this girl right now yeah it just it that that wasn't really the salt

success in my mind. It was more getting caught up in the moment, sharing that moment with someone, and actually seeing a woman enjoying sexual pleasure. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I really believe that like if your girl at home was giving you all this stuff, it'd probably be easy for you to remain faithful. Like, I don't know that. For him? Yes. For him. For him? The fact that he's been with naked people in front of him throwing him condoms, begging him to fuck them and he doesn't. No, I think he's looking for like what his wife doesn't give him. A little passion. Yeah, all the stuff that he's not getting at home.

And isn't that what a lot of people do when they're cheating? Yeah, I mean, if you came on and said that, you know, at toward the end and I just started having sex with these women, you know, I agree with you. Three years from now he might say that. Well, that's three years from now. But I'm saying now, I agree with you that there's something, you know, obviously it's missing from your relationship. If you got it at home, you know, I don't think. you would be so eager to do this. What do you think?

I think that's accurate. Yeah. I mean, the whole motivation behind all this is that, hey, I'm getting older. I haven't had a ton of experiences. There's a lot of stuff I haven't been through that I want to see for myself. And it's like, hello, something's got to give. And do you know what he says about his wife? Tommy, I don't know if you saw this in the email because Tommy read the email.

She is an occasional squirter, and she's mostly. multi-orgasmic. How come this girl doesn't want to come all the time? I'd be, yeah. Yeah, it bothers my mind. I really, I don't get it. Like, she gets that into it. She could squirt. She could have multiple orgasms, and she's not like begging. But, you know, maybe she's very busy with all your kids and stuff.

But do you think she's capable of, like, kind of seeing the light? Do you think that's going to be possible? I hope so. I would love to see a light at the end of the tunnel, but I don't know. I hope one day I'm around when she let's go and go crazy. But you said that she had you both, you had one sentence in your email that you both come from very dysfunctional families. So what was the, like was anything dysfunctional in her family like that had to do with sex? Oh yeah.

I mean, she's from a background that was very cold and, you know, not sex positive at all. so there's a lot of suppression and junk and baggage and you know I don't know if that's the whole story or not but it's it's certainly part of the picture right of course so she definitely has issues with sex that's her thing so you're definitely in the right place that you're getting you know working with a sex therapist you better make sure that you have this stuff like really hidden like would she ever think that you'd be doing like would she be so shocked if she found out that you led this again because to me it's like a leading a double life. It kind of is, right? Because I imagine, just by the sound of you, I don't know what you look like, but you just sound like a really sweet Christian dude. Like I'm sure she would be so shocked to find out that like Tommy said,

one thing if she bent out, you were just fucking girls on the side. The stuff that you're doing is so specific and very illicit and very different and out of the box, right? Would she be so shocked to find out that, that you're doing you? It would be mind-blowing for, you know, for anybody that found out me.

That's what I was going to say, even your friends, right? Anybody that knew you. I could just tell by your voice that if I met you in a store, there's no way I believe that you're doing. That's why I love doing the show because the truth is you go into any room, anywhere, and you look around and all a bunch of normal looking, normal people, and everyone's normal, but people, these are things that people are doing, and it's not for bad reasons.

This is a guy that's married to a woman. It's just a, he loves her. It's just a problem in their relationship, and he needs to get his rocks off. So he tries to figure out these things and other people that are in the same position or in different positions, and everyone gets together. And everyone sounds to be having a lot of fun. Like, it sounds kind of a little bit of fun to me. Are you jealous?

Well, I think people always find a way to cope. Right. Different people cope differently. You know, for me, I found a self-justification method of, you know, finding little tastes here and the air of what I was missing. Right. And I think other people, you know, maybe they go further with it than I do. I've been looking at some of the shows you guys have had

and the guy Robert that comes on and is talking about all his crazy adventures. I'm like, man, I don't know if I could ever do that. Right. Yeah, that guy is just out fucking the world right now. Yeah, but let me ask you this. Okay. No, last time he fucked his ex-wife, that wasn't that bad. But let me ask you this.

When you were trading the stories with people, Did you ever think at that time that you'd be giving like massages to strange naked women and fingering them? Like did you think that you would be capable of that? No, no. It morphed slowly over time. I wrote an erotic story and posted it on literatica for a while. Right.

That's what I'm saying that you might be Robert in 10 years if your girl doesn't step up to the plane. Because I think it's progressive. I think what happens is you get the one thing. I know that you say that all that fear and all that stuff that you don't really like. I think that that's a part of it and that's the kick. It's like it makes you feel alive.

You've got like this, you know, dead fish at home that you eat, like you don't get anything there. So you go into these situations. You get a lot of feeling, whether it's good or bad. And you want that because it makes you feel alive, right? And so you have these certain things that you've done three times and then you, you know, you think about something next. And I think it will progress.

Like it's good that you haven't done anything for a year. Now you're in therapy. Maybe it'll stop. But I think if things don't change in your. a relationship, these kind of things do progress. I wouldn't have the balls to, like, invite a couple to a hotel room and go there. But I think after you do, like, that first thing and then the second thing, right? It becomes easier and easier.

Yeah, like, I think it's probably really nerve-wracking to send a video first or send a story, right? Like, that gets you really nervous. And then, you know, the next time you do something a little bit more, right? Is that how you get comfortable doing these things? Yeah, it's definitely. Once you try it the first time, it gets easier the next time, you know, and if you're lucky enough, to find somebody that there's a mutual physical attraction, you know, good, you know, great. That's the goal, right?

You know, I didn't want to go out and just meet random people or have risky sex with a string of different lovers and get a disease and all this stuff. I just wanted, you know, normal, well, I say normal, but, you know, people who are a little bit more open-minded who just want a nice guy to watch or touch or massage or whatever. Right. And I think some of that fear, some of that fear is why I haven't done anything. else and I don't know if I will. Like I know it's progressive and I get what you're saying.

I'm totally on board with that and it's scary because I don't know what else I would do. If I keep pushing that track, you know, how far will I go? Right. There's probably a lot of things you could do still without actually having sex that people are into that isn't massage and isn't watching. I mean, there's probably like a lot of other crazy things that people are into. Oh, yeah. Actually, I can give you an example.

Yeah. I found a couple on Craigslist recently, somewhat nearby, who was, you know, a really nice young couple. They were probably low 30s, very attractive, not supermodel attractive, but very attractive. Uh-huh. And the wife wanted to have at least like a blowjob for me. Right. She wanted to do that. They wanted to build like a custom glory hole at a hotel and all this stuff that gets all through and planned out.

And I really almost did it. That was one of the couples who sent me a video where she turns around and says, I want your cop and says my name. And I was like, oh, man, she's pretty serious about this. If I go through with that, I'm probably going to have sex with that woman. And that scared me. Well, do you consider sex a blow job? Not really.

I mean, again, that just. Because you did the hand job, right? It's the same thing. Yeah. It's all right. I think you would do maybe the next movie, the blowjave. She won't, wait, this couple wanted to bring a, they wanted to bring a, how are they going to get that through the lobby? I guess it's like a cardboard cutout, right?

Like they would just fold it up? I think, or a sheet or I don't know what they had planned. It was some kind of. So they wanted to bring a custom glory hall into the hotel and then you would put your cock through and she would blow you. How come that didn't go through? Yeah. And then the husband was emailing me too and he would say, you know, depending on how. she gets into it she may do more than that and you know it was really exciting and a lot of potential

and they emailed me back i mean i kind of broke off communication with them and they emailed me back recently and said hey we got some fans we're coming to your area soon uh thought you might be interested we haven't heard from you in a while so they're they're still interested and it's still an option uh i just don't know what i'm going to do right and how come like what what why are you on the fence Like what is your mind, like, what is it about it that makes you think maybe I shouldn't do this? Because you haven't done anything in a while, are you thinking to go clean? I think it's a combination of not having done anything in a while, but also that this couple is exactly what I would be looking for, like for a long-term arrangement. And I just know, I'm serious.

If I were to go through with that and everybody got along, it would just be this, it would turn into something that I don't know if I'm ready to. for. Right. It would be like too good to say not like it could turn into a whole it's too, it would be too much actually. Too much of a good thing. Bring your wife. Yeah. Stop Tommy. Your wife I can't even I would what are you on a scale of one to 10? I'm sorry what was that? On a scale of one to 10 what would you rate yourself you and your wife? We're probably like a seven and a half so you're a seven point five like I would love to say but you just look like a regular guy like this is and the people. And the. people that come to meet you like this is what I love about people this is what regular people do with sex on the side because you know what it is I think that we're all so suppressed and stuff like because we're all told it's like bad so everyone has to be doing this stuff like because I don't think it's really weird do you Tommy yeah I don't think it's weird that some couples like they just like like someone watching it like turns them on so they get you know they set something up and

you go there and like I don't know it's so fascinating to me that this all goes down and so many people are doing it, people that you would never know. You go to holiday parties, you work a job, you go to like your kids' school, and nobody has any idea. You don't know his teacher's out doing the... Yeah, like what you're doing. Like, that's, like, fascinating to me. Yeah, definitely. And it does, it does escalate, you know, like with the stories and videos.

And you never know, like, I mean, I just don't know what I would do if things went on. So it's, I think that uncertainty and fear is kind of what's kept me from, going on to the next thing or trying to plan something else. Right. I remember once I had this guy that I was totally into and he was married and I've never fooled around. I fooled around with guys that have girlfriends, but never a married guy. And me and he would make out and he was really hot and I was so super attracted to him.

But it wasn't a good situation and because I was so into him and he wanted to set up an arrangement. He was like, Kathy, like, let's like set it up so that like you could meet me here and like it'll all be this thing. I felt like you did. I felt like I, you know, the next time I go there, if I have sex with them or do anything more than me, get out with him and go down the road, I would never stop. I'd be so into it.

It would be like a point of no return. Like I was scared. You know what I mean? Like what am I going to do? But I knew with all my heart that that's all I wanted to do. Like if it, if the next day came and it was going to happen, I was going to go and that was a done deal. And then out of the blue, some old boyfriend called me.

I started dating someone and thank God. taken out of that because I was ready to do the totally wrong thing because I couldn't I was so into it you know I get it I knew like you did like I knew that this was something that would be so tempting every part of me physically wanted to do it but I knew that it wasn't right and I'm so glad that like life sort of took me in a totally different direction and I never went down that path yeah and you always hear those horror stories I've had people tell me oh man don't do that you know if you if you actually do go and literally cheat on your wife.

I mean, there's going to be all kinds of drama, and it could turn into all this mess. The horror stories are out there. People will tell you that. You can lose everything if you get busted. I mean, that's just a fact. That's what I think happens to some guys, unfortunately. You know, if your wife does find out

and you have a family and this is the woman you really love, you could potentially lose, you know, your family over it. I mean, most women are not going to stay with a guy if she finds out that he's, you know, her husband, that it's a deal breaker. Yeah, it's definitely a risk. It's a total risk, but I think that's what, you know, turns guys on sometimes. Of course.

Yeah, it's fucked up. I can't even get into the whole because we've talked about it before, this whole monogamy thing. It's like a very confusing thing because I don't think it's natural and whatever. But you're doing a good, you know, like I said, I think if you had a good sex life with your wife and she didn't have all that repression going on in her issues that you guys would probably have, like, really good sex together. You'd probably be doing all these things with her. hopefully she'll change and she'll grow yeah hopefully

do you share this with anyone else besides us like does anyone in your life know about this or is this your total secret thing besides you know no there are a couple of people that have gotten to know me over the years online but I've told my story too so there are there are a couple of people

yeah but I'm talking of regular people right I'm talking like regular people like your regular guy friends or you're someone like you're close with no right that way yeah it's just It's not something that comes up and conversate. That's real smart.

Right. So it's just like a total secret life. It's interesting. I mean, you don't really have a question for us, right? You just wanted to explain your situation. Yeah, just kind of an assessment in sharing the story. Because I really think there are other people out here that are not bad people. They're not trying to screw anybody over.

Totally. They're just in a desperate situation and trying to find some way to cope. And it's not like everybody's bad. I don't think so at all. Desperate. Yeah, you just, sex is a natural thing. It's a natural urge that we have. It's like, you know, it's a good thing.

It's not a bad thing. And when you're with somebody and they're not, I don't know, like, I totally understand it. Don't you, Tommy? Yeah, no, I get it. I don't think you're bad or wrong or all these things that people are doing. That's why I like having my show because I'm like open to hearing what real people do. Like I said, I think that a lot of people do a lot of things that nobody talks about. you know and does it make people right or wrong it's people are living their life and figuring things out

you know you're trying to solve a problem you have a problem and you're solving it because how else you're going to solve it your wife's not ready to change tomorrow but you know you're married and that's what you have to do so I think that's why how a lot of cheating comes around because people want to stay married you know and you don't want to ruin the family you love your wife but you you need to get so you get your needs met someplace else does that make you a terrible person no But it's good that you're working with the therapist to try and figure it out in your relationship. So maybe you could, you know, do these things with her. Yeah.

And I think a lot of people, too, tend to minimize sex. In a relationship, they're like, oh, it's just sex. How could you leave that person just for the sex or blah, blah, blah? And it's like, really? I mean, sex is huge. Totally. It's very important. It's a huge part of a good relationship.

I mean, it should not be dysfunctional. No, it shouldn't be the whole, like, it's like it's like it's a, it should be an equal part of the pie. You know what I mean? It's as important as anything else in your relationship. And it should be healthy. Yeah. And it should, right.

It's hard. Listen, I think with women that have kids, you know, but your girl was different before. It was like if you were saying, oh, she was great in the sack before we've had three kids and I'd feel bad for her.

You know, but, and it's not that I don't feel bad for her because I think if she found out she'd be fucking horrified of what you're doing. But she was never really into sex. So this is an issue that you guys have had for a long time. I do think, though, with women,

with children, like they, you know, when they start taking care of kids and stuff, it's hard to also, like, service a man sexually as much as a man would want. That's why I don't personally believe in monogamy. I wish polygamy was around for fucking 500

years and we just, it was normal and we didn't care about it. Because that would solve a lot of problems. Because how many times a week do you guys, is it a weekly sex thing or a monthly? Like, how many times do you guys have sex? You and your wife? It's hard to say because it goes in cycles.

There'll be sometimes where it's, you know, sex every day or sometimes it's a week or two weeks in between. It really just depends. The problem is it's a lot of duty sex. A lot of what? So a duty sex. It's not like she's enjoying it and participating and getting into it.

It's just very self-serving and one-sided. Yeah, just to do it to do it. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah, when you're pulling around, you want to know that you're really turning them on. Like, that's a thing. Like, that turns you on.

You know what I mean? Like, that's what people don't understand. It's just like you need. you don't just want unless you're totally selfish in bed most people you know it's a turn on to turn somebody else on yeah absolutely right and because you're not getting that from your wife you're going and doing this with other people and uh you know you got more balls than i do i don't know is it balls that you do these things i don't know what it is it is what do you see it as Tommy it's balls yeah it's interesting but i think like it starts out i don't know you just got to do that first

thing and then everything else happens but um yeah i mean good luck with your sex therapist i think that's the right thing to do. And we totally want to check back with you. Well, if you meet that other couple, let us know. Yeah, we want to know right away. You got to email us. We got to get you. If anything crazy happens, email us.

You're on the show the next day. No, well, what we're doing now because we've been airing our guys, like our update shows on Sundays. I'm going to air them as update, as bonus episodes instead. I'm just going to have new people always on Sundays and then do, you know, quick bonus update calls on other days. So, yeah, anything, you know, goes down with you. Keep us posted. We could be the people that you actually talk to about this stuff. We love hearing about it.

It's so fascinating and interesting. Definitely. I'll talk to you guys updated. All right, cool. All right. Talk to you soon, bud. Phil. Thank.

Bye, Phil. Bye-bye. No, I said talk to you soon, bud. I know what his name is Phil. What are we going to call him? Phil the quote-unquote cheater. No, Phil the nice guy cheater. The nice guy cheater?

Nice guy cheater. Nobody says he doesn't cheat. All right. I love family man experimenter. I don't know. I'm going to have to think of a good title for this. This is the stuff that I love. This is like what Craigslist exposes, that this is what real people do.

Because we are so fucked up with sex. We just don't know how to do it the right way. Could you just picture his wife in the kitchen? And scenario one, all right, I fuck this woman. We haven't been having. sex and whatever it's not going to happen again and I could see her get man and whatever and when a woman basically doesn't ask a question like what did you do that's you know what I mean I fuck this woman and it's over she didn't you okay yeah okay that's not how it's going but I know where you're going but she's

gonna be horrified by that wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute you had these women you massage them yeah no he said and fuck them he's like no honey I didn't fuck them I just figured um I let them jerk me you all. She was Asian. I took her in the shower. Yeah. And they're just,

you know, things I put on Craigslist. It's not cheating. What are you crazy? No, but I know, but you know, out of context or like,

it does sound like fucking nuts. But when you talk to him, does he sound nuts? Not at all. He sounds like the nicest fucking guy in the world. Right.

That's what's so interesting that normal people are doing these things that seem so nuts, but maybe it's not, I don't know. Everyone's fucking doing shit like this. Aren't they? I could just imagine that conversation.

I never done anything like this? Or your stuff on the side was always like normal? No, I was, I was single, you know? But I mean, yeah, I did great. When I was single, I did stupid shit. But did you do stuff like that? What, put? I never put ads on anything.

Right. I never. No, but this was like more, like I said, I really believe. I think what you said was really interesting when you're like, I think what you're doing is dirtier. But I really believe. It is. I know.

Because it's so premeditated. It's so thought out. Yeah, but he had to be thought out because he couldn't just fuck somebody. I know, but just fucking somebody is not thought out. But it wasn't, no. No, you understand that, right? No, I know. That's like your animal instinct.

He can come and then you're done and that's when you walk out and you're like, what did I just do? Like you turned into Dr. Jekyll and Hyde. Right, but this guy gets the feeling I just want to fuck somebody else. But then his Christian mind comes in, his non-cheating, nice guy mind comes in and says, but I can't fuck somebody. So then he starts to think. And he gets a little.

creative. Dude, that's what it's about. That's that's the bad part. Why? Where he's like so like methodical in the planning and posting ads, hotel rooms. How else are you going to do it? I don't know. That's what everyone does that calls in. They post ads. That's how people find other I used to do it the old fashion way. When you want a job, what do you do? You look online and someone posted an ad. I did it the old fashion way. How what was that? For a job I call a friend, you know, somebody or I go to a bargain drunk or I went to a place. You were fine putting your dick in somebody. He can't do that.

So he needs something different because he considers that. I'm telling you, this is how his mind thinks. I'm saying I know that some of people wouldn't agree. I think it's awesome where he's like he doesn't think this is cheating, but all this planning. No, I mean, he's fingering women. And videos, exchanging videos. What is he fucking blockbuster here?

He's like exchanging videos with people. And the sad thing is, I really believe it's just that he wants to get girls off. Like he wants that pleasure. The tummy, think about it, your ego, right? All the girls, you fucked and everything. Isn't it something about, don't you need that as a man to see, to get women off to make them come? Like, doesn't there power in that for you as a man? Yes.

In the beginning and in the middle. Yeah. But as at the end of my game, I got a little lazy. Okay, but right, so you're selfish. But this is a guy that's only been with one woman. So where's his beginning middle? It's still his beginning. He didn't even start yet.

Right. So of course he needs that rush. You've got that. You have that as a man. This is a potential gold mine right here. His whole thing? I think it's going to come back. I think we're going to get a lot more.

No, he hasn't done anything for a year. I think we just sparked that fire. I think we did. Although he's going to go for that couple. He's like, you know what? No, I know that feeling. He knows it's like the hottest thing and he's never going to be able to turn back. And he's like, yeah.

You know what? Fuck it. You think? Why not? No, I don't think he's not the fuck it kind of guy. Couldn't you tell that by him? No, he wasn't. He said he was afraid.

Listen, if his situation with his wife doesn't get better, everybody has a breaking point. And he's going to see it and he's going to say, you know what? You just want him to. Fuck your shit. You just want him to. I actually think of somebody like this and I think, wow, he has balls. Like I'd be so, no matter how much something like that would turn me on in my mind, you know what I mean? And of course there's things in my mind that would turn me on that are really illicit and stuff,

but I'll just like jerk off and think about it. You know, but to actually go the next step and actually do it in real life, I don't, I think it's balls. I don't have the balls to do that. Is it balls or is it insanity? Like what's the difference between me and him? Guts, balls, nerve. I don't know. Courage.

I have no guts or courage when it comes. All my stuff. But this is what I believe, though. What I always believe. So here's the perfect forum. No, but this is what I believed. What's going on in your dirty little mind? Right now.

Me? Would you want to do that you could participate? I have wanted to do so many more things, but this is how I... What's the most current thing in this Vangangang? Come on. Everybody wants to know. Come on. No, but wait, this is the thing.

But the way that I look at it, because if I, when I was younger and I would have dirty things that I wanted to do and then I would go and do them, I would always feel really like dirty afterwards. What I found, okay, to solve that problem, is that I could do really dirty things with somebody that I'm really close with, whether it's a long-term booty call or my boyfriend. Like, I prefer to have really dirty sex in a normal environment or a situation.

And then you could just role play or whatever. Okay. So what is? And then you don't feel like, oh, what the fuck did I just do? You don't have that moment. So you're with your. But you could, if you really have a good imagination and I do, you could really go there and it can really feel good. And that's better than doing the real thing.

because even though the real thing probably gives you a little bit more of the fucking rush, it gives you that weird crash, that weird crash afterwards. Okay, I got that. So you're with your safe person. What's the naughty thing you want to do with this safe guy? I don't even know.

I'd have to put it on pause and think. All kinds of things. I think, I think like, just give us one. I would never be with two guys at the same time. Never. But like I would like to fantasize about that. Like I fantasize about that.

with guys. You know what I mean? One guy. Do you understand? So if you met your safe guy, if your safe guy had two cocks, you do it? Your safe guy had two penises. No, you could use the real thing and something else. You know, you could do double penetration in different ways. You could, do you understand? Yeah, I understand. Yeah, that kind of stuff. So it's just like different kinds of things. Like if you want to pretend that you would like do this or that, I don't know. I have such a crazy imagination. I could think of all different kinds of scenarios. But what I like to do is like, because I was always monogamous by nature. I would have like a, Because I don't have relationships because I don't know something's wrong with me

But I would have long-term booty call guys and I would just do all the things that were in my head with the guys The one guy I wouldn't sleep around and I found that to be better This guy unfortunately has the safe girl But he can't live out his fantasies Yeah, that's what sucks But I think you know that's what I that's what I do So maybe it's like I don't have guts so I just keep it clean But I think it's you feel a little weird after you feel weird after you fuck the hookers and stuff or no

No, honestly. I was a drinker. I would just go drinking. Right, but if you did it sober. No, if I felt this. No, I didn't feel weird. No? Yeah, I guess women are different.

Right. Yeah. Anyway, I love calls. Like, that's what I do the show for because, you know, Phil the Christian. That's what we're going to call. All right. Christian, non-cheater.

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