Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 062 - Jeff's Girlfriend's Fantasy is to be Gangbanged

Episode Date: February 22, 2015

Jeff's girlfriend admitted to him that being gangbanged was on her bucket list and so they've been attending swing clubs ever since. They've had sex with other couples, she's gotten it on with other women and men but the gang bang still hasn't happened. Why hasn't it happened yet? What has happened already? Listen in for all the details. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And her fantasy is to get gang-bang by a bunch of guys. Like she admitted that to him. And so they started to, you know, try and make that happen. They started swinging and they started, you know, sort of introducing other couples into the mix. And it hasn't really gotten to. to the point where they've done the gang bang and he needs help trying to figure out how to get her to actually do or actually, you know, get into the actual gang bank because there's stuff that's like holding her back, even though it is a fantasy of hers when the reality happens. Like,

she's a little bit leery, which I could totally understand as a woman. So anyway, that's what this calls about. It's really interesting. This guy's kind of got like, I get a lot of these guys that call in. It's very weird fantasy that I never knew existed. And most guys that I know to say that they would, they don't have this fantasy. But I get a lot of calls. I get a lot of calls. I get a And there's like a lot of guys just love watching or love the thought or love the actual, like they just actually want to see their girl get fucked by another guy. And I just, like I said, I don't know many guys that have that fantasy, but all these guys call in. And I have to say, when I look at the analytics of my episodes, the ones where these guys are watching their girls get fucked by another guy, they're very, like, highly downloaded. Like they're like actually the most popular ones.

So there's obviously a lot of dudes out there that have that same fantasy. So that's his fantasy and he's into it. And they kind of have like a healthy swinging lifestyle, which is always intriguing to me because I think it's like what everybody sort of wants, but nobody could really have, which is a non-monogamous, loving relationship. And they seem to have it. So stay tuned and so you could hear all the details to Jeff and his swinging girlfriend. Do you have a story, lifestyle, or situation you can't talk about to anyone, to anyone,

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You're on my podcast. This is Kathy. I'm the host. I'm the hostess. Hi. How are you? Okay. So I typically read emails before when I do an intro so people know what the deal is.

But yours was like kind of long winded. So why don't you just explain your deal? I mean, your deal is like you have a girlfriend who, her sort of on her bucket list was to be gang banged, right? So you guys joined a swing club and you guys swing. But you've only been with one other guy once, right? Like that's your deal. And you want her to get like more into it, right? Well, then there's this whole thing that you said about her, like, getting fat and shit.

And we'll get into that. But first of all, how long you've been dating your girl for? It's been about a year and a half now. A year and a half? And how old are you and how old is she? I'm 47. She's 50. Right.

And so you guys been dating for a year and a half. Do you guys live together? Yes. So how did the conversation? I got to tell you, I have a lot of guys that have called it. I don't know if you've checked out my other podcast, but I have a lot of guys that have called in. A lot of guys apparently have this fantasy or they really are into watching their girl get fucked by other guys. Like, I can't tell you how many guys call in about that.

But a lot of them, it's just a fantasy and they don't know how to approach their girl and sort of have that conversation. How did it come up that your girl felt comfortable enough to tell you that she wanted to like, you know, fuck a bunch of guys in front of you without, you know, it freaking you out because some people might not, like, you know, So people might have those kind of desires, but, you know, they feel like maybe the other person won't be into it. Right. Well, we just started talking about different things that we like to do, and she said, well, I have a bucket list. Uh-huh. I was like, all right, well, what's your bucket list?

And she started going through with some of the things. She was like, well, you know, what kind of things do you got? Like, you know, and I'm like, well, you know, I'd like to do this, that. And I thought, this, you know, sounds pretty good. And she's like, well, some of the things can stay a fantasy, but they don't have to come true. If, you know, they don't come true, it's not that big of a deal. But I was like, well, you know, I'd like to make all like your dreams and fantasies come true. So, you know, let's work on some of the stuff.

Uh-huh. So we've kind of been approaching some of the things. But on the bucket list, was it like, oh, I want to go bungee jumping in Australia and I want to get bang? gang banged or was like the bucket list like a sexual but like was she like was it was like you guys just sort of being honest about like all the things sexually you'd like to do it was kind of like a combination of like all the things you know and then some of the things there was like a separate sexual bucket list along with all the regular you know things i want to do in my life before i die bucket list thing right okay so she says she one of the things on her bucket list

was she wanted to get gang banged right yep And you were into that. You had no problem seeing your girl with another guy. Like you thought of it and it would be turned you on? Yeah. I think it would be kind of exciting because to see her get what she wants and get pleasured. And I know years ago I had thoughts like that too, how it would be neat just, you know, to see how many girls you could do at one time or how many times you could just keep going, you know.

I think that's kind of along the same lines as she does thinking is just, you know, just see if I could sit here all day and just get screwed. Yeah, exactly. And so you guys decided to like go ahead and find a swingers club and join it and everything? Yeah, like we would try different things, you know, maybe with like another couple, maybe just do like we're all in the same room or something. and then maybe like the guy from the couple will come over and you know we'd all be together there and you know maybe the girl would come in but you keep saying maybe is this like stuff that actually did happen no nothing's happened yet okay the only thing's happened yeah is we've been with one other guy and we prearranged that how did that how did that come about good no how did it

happen though like where do you find the other guy it was somebody that she knew and she had talked to him and you know just I guess casually asked him if he'd be interested in it it was somebody that she had had sex with years ago before she was still friends with

right so that's I can understand that so it's like an old person an old boyfriend or somebody that she used to have sex with yeah and did you know him before or no no no Right. And you had no issue as far as like, oh, you know, you're going to, because you just like, you said in your email, like, you know she comes home with you. You know she's your girl. So you don't have like any kind of jealousy attached to it.

No. And now are you by yourself? Like, do you get it on with these guys or no way? Like it's just you watch her do it with the guys. I'm, I get involved too. I mean, like, I'll be having sex with her and maybe she's blowing him and then we'll swim. Right, but I mean, you don't do anything with the guys, right? No, no. Right. And so is she by, does she want girls involved or is it just strictly other dudes? She's not really into the gay scene. She actually doesn't go for it, but she has been with two girls, and she said she's done it with me or for me.

Right. She said she has done it for you, or she, oh, she's. done it for you because you wanted her to do it. She's done it for me because I wanted to see it. Right. So did you guys start getting freaky like this? Like at what point in your relationship did you guys start all this different stuff? Like all

this sexual sort of stuff? I think pretty much from the beginning. So, right. You guys are very lucky. Like I said, I have a lot of guys that call into the show that like would like would love to be with a woman like this because they have these kind of fantasies but they're just, they're

dating these like probably like really normal girls that, you know, they're so afraid to bring it up because they don't think that they go for it, you know? So basically you guys were pretty open about the stuff that you were into right from the beginning. How did you meet her? On the internet. So did you meet her like on an adult friend finder's or Craigslist kind of a situation like more of a sexual site? So that's why it was easy to bring that shit up? Or did you meet her like on Match.com? No, it wasn't any at them sites. It was just something else actually uh what was it uh i had found out that i've known her for years from school and

that's just kind of how but was it like on facebook yeah oh okay so you were like oh you saw her on facebook and you're like oh i remember this girl from school yeah oh okay so then you guys just started dating and having sex and started to be really open so she's done it with girls in front of you so now at the swing club like what it you got you said you've gone a couple times and she just chickens out. Like what happens when you go and what goes down in these places? We actually gone to, I'm going to say like three different ones. And the first time it was just like an overwhelming thing of guys. And it's like, okay, I can understand. And a lot of the guys were just like really freaky looking and she wasn't

comfortable. And that was our first time. And it was like, okay, I understand. Let's get out of here. Uh-huh. Then the second time, it was another party, and it just seemed like there was an overabundance of guys and, like, nobody else there. And I think there was, like, two other girls there that showed up. And it's like, okay, I can see where you're uncomfortable, too, because, like, a match of, like, 20 to one, you know, 20 guys and one girl, that's kind of a little overwhelming, too. Uh-huh. And we've gone to the two other.

parties at this one club and the one time there was three couples showed up and that was it and we were the only ones who went in a separate room and they had like a big bean bag thing there that we got freaky on and you know nobody else even paid any attention so what were the other couples doing like having just talking and talking and having drinks yeah in another room or in the same room where you guys were having sex It was actually in another room, but there was like a big doorway with no door or nothing. So they could come over and see or whatever if they wanted to, you know. Right.

And did that turn you guys on? I mean, that was probably the turn on, right, that you guys were doing it in front of these people? Yeah. Yeah. That's one of the things I think it really gets her excited. It's just to know that somebody's watching or to think that somebody's watching. Right. So you guys did, that's like the farthest you guys have gone at one of these parties?

Yeah. Are these parties at people's houses or are they like bars, clubs or are these like bars, clubs or are these like swinger parties? Yeah, straight up swingers clubs. And where do you find this information from? Like, is there like a website that people go to to find these clubs? Like, where do you find them in your area? Yeah, there's actually, I think it's called SLS.

Uh-huh. SLS? Yeah. And that'll give you pretty much any look. location in the United States that has any clubs or parties or anything in there. And those are legal, right? Like, as long as they don't serve alcohol, right? You're allowed to have sex in front of people.

It's not like you're doing anything illegal, right? Right. And it's not like anybody's being forced or anything. I mean, you're allowed, if you don't want to participate if you just want to watch or you just want to hang out, you do whatever you want. And nobody's pressuring you to do anything or nobody's saying, well, you know, she's got two guys on her, and then you got at least have two or three on you, you know?

Right. You just want you and your partner to go in a room and shut the door. They have rooms that you can just go and be by yourself, too. Oh, interesting. I know my friend worked in one when I was a lot younger. He was like, you know, like the towel guy or something. I don't know. He had a couple jobs.

Like, he just had to, like, pass out robes. Because, like, the one that he worked in, you had to, like, take off all your clothes before you went into this one room, but you got like a towel or whatever, you know, and you could go and you could sit in or a robe, but you had to be naked and then, you know, you could go in rooms and just watch and, you know, shit like that. Like he was in that back room.

I don't know. But in New York, I know the one that he worked out. They didn't, they, it wasn't allowed to have like that many guys. They think like there was like rules where you have to come in with a girl, right? Isn't that how it normally is? They have different themes. They have nights like the one might have. This one that we went to was called a ladies' control gangbang.

Uh-huh. So, of course, you're going to get a bunch of guys show up, and there were supposed to be a bunch of couples showed up, too. But I think there was, like, maybe four couples that came, and maybe about six or eight guys. Uh-huh. And did anyone get gang-bangs? Yeah, one couple did go off in another room with one guy, and we hung out a little bit, and then we left. Right. she felt uncomfortable so.

So your deal is like, you understand this, but like you're figuring it like when is she going to get? And then, oh wait, this was the other thing that you sent in the email. She will let you get blown by another girl, but she doesn't want you to fuck another girl, right? Right. Right. She told me that that's one of the requirements.

Right. But I think you said in the email and I think you're right, that you're hoping that you're fine with that now because you expect or probably assume that down, the line. After that, once you guys get more into this, that she'll probably let you screw another girl, don't you think? I'm kind of hoping that she gets a little bit more relaxed and comfortable, and that I think it's just that she has an insecurity about it. And once she understands that, no matter what happens, you know, like I said, she's my girl and she's coming

home with me. And I'd love her because she's sharing this with me. It's something that she wants and that what I want. So instead of just like dreaming to go and climb a mountain. A mountain or, you know, skydiving or surfing or something like that, we're actually doing it. And because she's willing to do it with me,

it's, you know, I can't ask for anything more. Yeah, it's hard to find women like that, for sure. So, and the fact that she's letting you have someone blow you is even hard to find. You know what I mean? Like, that's even really great. Yeah. I mean.

Well, we haven't gotten that. far yet, so. But she said that she would allow you to. Was she freaked out? Like, was she worried that if you saw her have sex with another guy that you, it would freak you out, or was she, was she okay? At first she was because the first time we did it, we were all going at it for a while, and then she said, okay, that's enough.

I had enough, you know. And then we asked her friend, you know, we told him, you know, that's it. And he even stood there and explained because I'm cool with it goes, you know, call about you. It's what you want. So. And then he left and she was like kind of bummed and like she was going to cry. And I'm like, no. And like it was a really big turn on for me.

I was like, you know, it's great. I don't feel like you're a slut or trashy or nothing. You're awesome. Right. And so she was getting upset because she was afraid that you felt different. about her because of what she's happening. Yeah, but I would think that I would think she's trashy or some whore

or something and I said no, because we talked about this before. When you wanted to stop, you say so it stops. If you don't want to go through with it, then we won't go through with it. You know, it goes as far as you want it to go and that's it. Right. And even if it goes all the way, you still

like care about her as your girl. It's just like it's separated, right? Like you still, you don't, like you said, you don't see her as a whore because she does that. like you still have an intimate relationship on other levels. Just sexually, this is what you guys are doing, but it doesn't interfere with the other kinds of intimacy that you have with her. And I think that that's great.

You know, like I said, how am I going to find somebody else that I'll share that with me? It's like slim than none. It's very hard to find. You know, in the gay community, the gay guys have that kind of arrangement a lot more than people do in the heterosexual community because I think guys are more on that.

same page. It's very hard. I think a lot of guys, like I said, a lot of guys are like you. They have no problem seeing their girl. I mean, there's a lot of guys that do have a problem, okay? But there are a lot of guys that I, that call into my show that like it actually, it's a, it's a fantasy of theirs to see their girl who they actually care about with another guy. And it like you, they say that it wouldn't make them feel jealous or it wouldn't make them not love them. You know, it's just like a sexual thing that could happen that they're into. But I think it's hard to find women. that would be I think it happened I think the problem with the woman thing is is probably they all have it in there a lot of women have it in as a fantasy too

but they're afraid like your girl and I would think this is that they're afraid that the guy would look at them differently for sure like how could you you know what I mean because that's how guys are and women you know have to sort of be a certain way sexually like almost not into it for people not to think that they're a horrors you know there's just a different sort of stigma attached to it for women than for men right well that that was one of the agreements we had before we did anything and we talked about it. It's like, well, if we ever get in a fight or anything, I don't want you to bring it up, you know, that I did this, you know,

and used that against me. Yeah, that would be so rude. Yeah, that's something that I agreed on and you agreed on and, you know, that's the way it is. So I can't throw it back in your face when something goes wrong. Right. And you weren't lying. Like after you saw her with that guy who was like her friends. So many guys would be freaked out by that. Like that, you know what I mean? A lot of guys if you date them, they don't even want to know somebody if you used to have sex with them or whatever, you know, let alone you're like letting her fuck him in front of you. And you really had no feelings about it like as far as like, like you saw her differently or there was any kind of jealousy, nothing like that? Nope. See, that's great. I think that that's great. You know, I mean, that's just where you're at and

that's who you are. And the fact. that she's into doing that kind of stuff like she, I think, you know, it's great that she partnered up with you because you really do care about her. I could tell just by the way you're talking about, like, you do really care about her and you don't judge her and you probably won't use it against

her in a fight. It's just something, but you're just open-minded and into like trying different things. Right. So how do you want her, though, where you're at right now is you want her to like sort of have that gang bang that she fantasizes about, right? And you think, there's other

thing that you talked about was her weight. Do you think that like it's her weight that is getting in the way of her feeling comfortable at these swinger parties or these swing clubs? I think that plays a part in it because I know, well, any woman's pretty worried about what they look like, even the ones that might look skinny to one guy, you know, to her, she looks in the mirror, oh, I got a fat ass or, you know, I got a mushroom belly or whatever And some guys love girls who are like skinny as twigs and stuff And other guys love girls who are as big as a house

And it's just a preference That's what women don't understand unfortunately You know what I mean? Women don't understand that, you know, men, most heterosexual men Like all kinds of women, you know what I mean? They don't just like skinny, some like skinny, some like voluptuous It's like all and so many different things are sexy to a guy You know more so than a woman imagines you know

a woman thinks a guy is as picky as women are and it's just, that's not the case. Right. And she has gained a lot of weight and I think maybe that does lay on her mind some too, but... Well, on a scale of 1 to 10, I always ask my callers, on a scale of 1 to 10, what do you rate yourself and what is she?

Myself? Yeah. Oh, I don't know. I don't feel that highly of myself. Maybe like a 4. Oh, my God. Let me tell you, most of the time, I've never had someone call themselves a four. Most of the time, people rate themselves a seven.

I've had one, 12, but he was like a, like a certified crazy person. I've never had a four. You literally consider yourself a four. Okay, what is she? You can't tell me she's a 10 because no 10's going to be with a four, okay? What will you rate her? Maybe about a six or a seven. A six or a seven.

So when you say she's gained some weight, like, do you feel like it's because she's like comfortable with you and she's just like fuck it like I got a guy I could just let myself go yeah I think so and let me ask you as a guy does that bother you that she's gaining weight or that she feels like that well both I mean does it do you mind that she's getting weight like what's you what's your preference as far as her body is concerned yeah well when we first met she was always walking and exercising and stuff and it just seems like now it's like she don't want to do that no more Right. Because she's spending all her time with you. Right. And I told her when I met her, I said, that's one of the kind of things I like is that you really care about what you look like and your body and you exercise to try to keep yourself toned up and everything. And now she's like sort of slacking off. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what do you say? You know, have you guys talked about it? Like, or does she complain about her body? Like, does she ever talk about it?

because if she's somebody that's always stayed in shape, right, then she must be freaked out herself, I would think. I mean, I've always been in shape my whole life, and I stay in shape, and it would freak me out if I completely, like, let myself go. Does she talk about her body? Is she unhappy with it? When I first met her, she was always saying that she had a muffin cop,

and I said, you look great. What are you talking about? And she's like, well, there's stuff that hangs in with my belt. I'm like, that ain't nothing. Right. And now it's like, well, I guess it's been in the oven and it's big and it's getting bigger now. Right. She's had kids before.

Have you guys either one of you guys ever been married? Like what's your past history? Yeah, we've both been married before. How long were you married for? Actually, I was married twice. My first wife, I think we're in 18. years and the second one was 14. Wow. And you know, how many kids do you have? I have two. And then what about her? She was married once or twice? Just once. Right. And she has two kids also.

Right. And so did you ever do any of this kind of freaky stuff with your ex-wives? No. No? It's like you hit the jackpot. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Louis C.K. has a joke about how, like, how great. He just talks about how great divorce is. And it was so great. You know, and like divorce has been really great for you because look what you wound up with. Right. Do you know what I mean?

I mean, even if she's overweight, you know, that could always change. But the fact that she's letting you do this stuff sexually and this is, and you guys are, you know what I mean? You're pretty lucky. I think so. Yeah, for sure, you know. And so, I mean, obviously, do you guys like what you guys do at these swing parties and stuff? Like, do your friends know or, like, you guys keep that secret? Pretty much, like, a secret.

What were you doing on Craigslist? Because I advertise, I found you on Craigslist, right? I advertised on Craigslist of an adult front finder. Do you found me on Craigslist? No, I found on Craigslist. Right. And look for other people. They will maybe hang out with or maybe do things with, you know, just see what's out there.

Most of the time on Craigslist, so as you get it's, like, nothing. head anyway, but... I know. Unfortunately, that's what I hear across the board. Like, it's for gay guys, it's okay. I mean, there's some dudes on there that you could screw, but it's very hard to meet legitimate, like, real couples, you know what I mean? Have you met anybody? So, you guys

probably obviously haven't, because you've only ever really swung with one other person was the guy, right? You guys haven't had any other situations. So do you have no... You've had no luck on Craigslist? we've met up I'm going to say maybe with two other couples from Craigslist but it just didn't pan out well what happened like what do you mean how does it not pan out

if you're just like these are people you don't even know you decide to meet up but just to have sex how does the sex not happen? Well we go out and like we'll have a drink or dinner or something with them first to try to get to know them and just see if there's like an attraction there because honestly well I guess I would think with anybody is there has to be some kind of

attraction there before you can't be before you know you're willing to like you can't take your clothes off in front of somebody right it's not like you're just going to walk into a room and say oh hey you know you're ugly but I'll fuck you right sex with you anyway yeah maybe for guys that might be easy but for sure I was going to say some guys could do that but not for women no way yeah i mean i believe in like i always say like i wish that like prostitution existed for women like that we could just hire a dude and have them come over but it would have to be set up differently for women you know what i mean like because i could

just have like you know for a man like he could hire her escort and she could be beautiful and she could walk in take her clothes up and you could just fuck her for like a woman she's kind of has to know the guy a while like it would have to be set up in a different way and then she could have meaningless sex with him it's not like women are incapable of having meaningless sex it's just that they're not wired to just be turned on visually in two seconds by somebody. You know what I mean? Like they need other things. Right.

At least I do. And most women, I mean, I'm sure that there's women that aren't wired that way. But, you know, the majority of women, that's the way that it is.

So you guys went out with two separate couples. Were they good looking or hot? Like, what happened at those meetings? We just didn't feel really comfortable. There were some things that just kind of turned us off about them. And it was like, eh, you know what? Like what?

Well, how old was like the first couple that you met? Do they send you pictures ahead of time, I'm sure? Yeah. And when they show up... Yeah. The pictures just don't give you the whole... How can I say it, the whole view? And some people might look terrible in pictures and, you know, you need them in person.

And it's like, wow, okay. You know, you look better than your picture. And others are more or less the complete opposite. Yeah, totally, of course. And I think the majority, unfortunately, are like that. So the first couple that you met out, did you meet up for a drink or for dinner? What was the deal? Yeah, for dinner.

And you just, like, as dinner went on, like, there just was no vibe. Like, who decided, like, did you feel like they felt the same thing? And so you guys just parted ways and said goodbye. Like, how does it, who decides that you're not going to go seal the deal? Well, we all at least are polite during dinner, you know, do our thing and talk. See if we have things in common, like things we like or whatever. And then we part ways and say, okay, well, you know, we'll be in touch with yours or whatever. And then after we leave, we'll get in the car and make that the way home and say, well, what did you think?

And she'll tell me her pros and cons and I'll tell her online. and it's like, okay, well, you know, I was kind of having the same feeling, so, you know, we'll just forget about that one. Right. And then that happened the second time with the second couple? Yeah. They weren't good either? Yeah, the vibe just, it kind of wasn't there. And which sometimes I think that she's a little bit more fussy than me.

I don't know how I want to say it, but more or less like, okay, If it has two legs and it walks, I'll fuck it, you know, but she won't. That's because you're a guy. You're a guy and you're a four. No, I'm just joking. Yeah. Not that I really feel that way, but that's more kind of like the majority. I mean, if somebody's, most people have this hang up,

or maybe not a hang up, I don't know how to say it, but some people that are, like, really heavy. Uh-huh. A lot of guys aren't attracted to, and some guys are. if the girl has let's say she's like curvy. Yeah. Not like really fat and obese or nothing. But you know

maybe she has a couple extra pounds or whatever. Like my girl. I'll be like, okay, you know, yeah, she's got a little extra weight. But you know what? She seems like nice. You know, the conversation was good. She has a nice personality. And it's like, yeah, okay. Well, you know, we could do something. Uh-huh. So you're like not...

I think a lot of men, like I said, I think women don't understand this, but what I've noticed with a lot of guys, I know a lot of guys, what I noticed with a lot of guys, and I think some guys just don't want to admit it, I think a lot of guys would fuck a lot of different types of girls. You know what I mean? Like, they're not just, you don't have to be perfect for a guy to want to bang you. You have to have, like, a nice pair of tits. Like, you know what I mean? A lot of girls that are overweight have great boobs. You know what I mean? And guys, that's what they like, or they have a great ass. Like, you know, girls think the ass big ass is bad. Guys love big asses. Like, girls don't understand. Guys are

sex to them and what they're visually, they're not visually attracted to perfection. You know what I mean? It's like a different thing. You know, and sexy, to me, I believe, and I think most guys do it comes in all different shapes and sizes. I mean, skinny girls are sexy. Fat girls are sexy.

Like, it's sexy is sexy. It's a different kind of thing. And I think, you know, most men that are very hetero would fuck a lot of different girls. And they're not so particular just because, you know, they don't even care about the face a lot of times. Do you know what I mean? Right. And it depends on how they carry their weight. Some girls can carry their weight really good and other ones are terrible.

Yep. It's the ratio, you know. They say it's the ratio, the hip-to-waist ratio, whether you're really skinny or really overweight. If you've got like, you know, if you're sort of curvy in the right areas, that's what matters. Then that's what's attractive. Right. And I think her, I got her sights is, I think that maybe she thinks that some big bodybuilder's going to walk through the door. you know, scoop her feet or somebody, you know, like a movie star looking guy or something and it's like, you know, you gotta like bend a little bit here because

that kind of guy's not going to walk through the door. Oh, so you're, okay, so you're saying that she's picking. Right, exactly. No, they could get like, you know, hot girls, any night of the week at the local bar just bring him home and bang them.

You know what I mean? Like, that guy's not going to be there. I mean, listen, you're going to, you might find some, I mean, what, where do you live? Do you mind saying? You don't have to say it though. I mean, my show is called strictly anonymous. So people like lie about stuff and everything. Like if you don't want to say where you live, but like are you in a suburban area or a city like what, you know, the suburban area. So I mean, I just feel like sometimes like if you guys were in New York, like, right? Or if you're close to New York, you should hit up like the New York swing clubs. Because I bet you anything, you find a better looking people. I know that that sounds terrible. And

people are going to be like, why do you think it just only? good looking people are in New York, but the people are, like, in different places, people look different, you know what I mean? And in bigger cities, you, for some reason, get better looking people, you know? So maybe you want to go. If you're close to a city someplace, you know, check out, do you go to, are the swing clubs like in your local area, or do you have to travel pretty far to find them? I'm going to say the closest one might be like within 20 miles. Right. And are you close to New York at all?

No. I'm pretty forced out from New York. I'm actually closer to Philadelphia. Oh, yeah. You should try Philadelphia. Like, I mean, you really should try, like, more of a city place. Like, clubs, like, if you just want to do, like, a weekend, you know, maybe you guys get a hotel in Philadelphia and try a club there. I bet you you get better looking people. I'm telling you. And more women and stuff. It's just a different vibe. But so that's her thing with the guys. Like she's looking at all of them and none of them are good looking enough. That's what I, that's my feelings of what I get from her. I mean, she hasn't said that. Some of the guys that we see, and I'll just comment to her that I'm like, you know, such and such, he was kind of like weird me out.

Right. And she's like, yeah. I know the first party we went to, there was a guy there that we both agreed that he looked just like Colonel Sanders. Right. Okay. And is like, and is she like looking for like a guy that's well hung or like does she have physical requirements like that or not really?

I don't know. Right. I kind of asked her the last one went to and we went out at the dinner first. I said, well, you know, what do you want to happen? And she's like, well, I don't know. Right. Does she drink? Yeah.

So do you guys get a little like buzzed before you go to these places or while you're there? No. We went out to dinner and she had like a martini and I had a beer and that was it. Right. It might be easier for her maybe if she was like a little buzz when she did it or something. I know. It's like it's funny. I think it's really terrible what I do on my show because I'm a sober person.

I haven't drank in like 11 years but I'm always telling you. people to drink up so that they could lose their inhibitions, which isn't really good because, I mean, I think, like, you know, you should probably do things that you would do straight or sober. But a lot of times, like, unfortunately, like, alcohol loosens people up and it just helps you sort of, you know, sort of, it would help her maybe just put her foot in the water, you know, and just get in already, you know, because really what she needs to do is just cross the first time, she just needs to cross the line in one of those clubs once and then she'll get the hang of it.

I think that's like your biggest obstacle at this point. Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah, pretty much. Just to get her to like make that first move because you guys have never got involved there. I mean, I think it's good that you guys had sex in front of other people and you, you know, you did that.

Like that's definitely a step forward, you know. But if she wants to get gang banged, okay, and that's on her bucket list, you know, if you walk in a club and there's tons of dudes and two girls, like that should be her biggest fantasy. I mean, she's looking to be gang banged, right? You don't you need like a bunch of, dudes, you know?

Right. Well, that's kind of what I told her. I said, well, you know, the party was themed as a ladies-controlled gangbang, so what do you think is going to happen? Yeah. A gang bang is a bunch of guys, a gang of men,

fucking her. Like, you need a bunch of single guys at the place. It's just the way that it goes, you know? So it's like, I think she just has to loosen up in her inhibitions. I mean, listen, she's pretty loose considering that she's open to this and she's going. I think it just takes women a little bit longer, you know, to sort of feel comfortable to take the next.

Once she does, I think she'll be good to go. I think it's just the initial thing, you know? Right. And the body thing, I mean, if she's having any kind of insecurities with that, she's got to go back to the gym and start working out again and stuff. Because what is she complaining about if she's not taking care of herself the way she used to? Right. Right? Yep.

And, you know, if she wants, like, if she's being so particular about how the guys look, you know, I mean, I can't tell you how many guys I know that are so disgusting and fat and they have the big bellies and they're like, they turn down girls because of this little thing or that little thing. I mean, I think a lot of times men are much more picky and odd way than women when it comes to like, you know, whatever. But it's just interesting that she's that way considering, you know, she's really. just looking at sex with these people. Right. And it's not like you've got to start a relationship to them. Yeah, you're not bringing them home, like, to your mother. You know what I mean?

Like, you're not prancing around public with them. You know, this is, like, sort of private thing. That's what I mean. Like, straight guys will fuck anything, but it's not that they'll date anything. Like, when I said before, like, a straight guy, well, fuck a lot of different things. I'm not talking about, it's like a different thing when someone's looking to date somebody.

They're a little bit more particular in weird ways, you know? but um i think you know so and women though are much less i feel were much less picky about looks it's more like a vibe like you said she's like oh that guy creeped me out or whatever like i get that you know she gets like a vibe from a dude if he's creepy and i'm sure in those clubs i'm sorry to say but a lot of people are going to be kind of creepy right i mean what what is what what do you find like like when you go into that place like is the place filled with like like what are the people like? It's kind of a privately

owned club. So you have to be a member like on SLS to actually see a posting of their parties and everything. And when you go to the door, you ring the doorbell

and the bouncer will check the list and he'll make sure that your name's on it. Right. So that they know who's coming. So that way they can kind of control more or less who comes and who don't and they can more or less know who to watch for and that because we got a tour with the owner

at one time we were there and he pretty much laid it out he says we don't have a lot of problems here if we do you know then we go and we talk to this person and you know if it ends up they have to they just ban them from the place yeah I know when my friend worked in this place I mean they were really strict you know

there was like people were there to have a good time They didn't put up with like creepy creepsters or anything, you know, and I think that they had a rule where like no guy could come in without a woman. So you would find, he would say that a lot of guys would come in with like escorts. Like they would pay a girl to come with them because that was the only way they were getting into the club. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

Because it's not like, you know. And are you faithful to your girl? Yes. So you guys don't, and she's obviously faithful to you. Like you don't worry about her going with other people. yeah actually we don't there's absolutely no need to right exactly

I like talking to people like you and I have another couple that wants to call in and they're a couple and they do swing with other people too and I've always been obsessed with the whole swinging thing since I was really young in a sense that I believe that like I think you know there's a certain evolvedness in somebody that if you could get to a place

like I feel like where you're really in love with somebody and you're really close with them and you really care about them, but yet you don't feel the need to sexually own them. I think that that's a great place to be. But it's really hard. I mean, I've never been able to get there myself yet. I don't, you know, I haven't been in a long enough relationship. I haven't trusted anybody enough.

I think you have to trust somebody a lot. I think that a lot of things go into that. But I think that, and I think a lot of people that do it are fucked up, but I think that there's certain people that are at that place and have open relationships with people that they care about. And I think that it's a great thing, you know, because I think sexually men are not sort of made just naturally to be completely monogamous. You know what I mean? And it doesn't mean anything for them to fuck other people, you know, but for us women, it freaks us out, you know, and women have different urges. And I think if you could get to a place

where you're with a partner and you're both cool about it. And look, you're like a nice guy. Like you don't cheat on her. You have no reason to you don't feel differently about her. and you guys could just have fun and do whatever you want sexually. I think that that's like great, you know, and hard to find. And I think that there is something more evolved about people that could do that than people that are the opposite, you know, where you're so like into ownership and like, oh my God, you can't even look at somebody else, you know. And I think relationships start out that way.

Of course, most of your life. But if you get to a place, you know, you guys have both been married. You've been through it all. You're almost 50 years old. Like, you know, you're at a place where you could do that and be cool with it. I think that that's a good thing. And it's healthy. It sounds like you guys do it in a healthy way, you know?

You guys are really open. You communicate a lot about it. You really care about each other. And you're not pushing her. You're not like a sleaze bag that just want, you know what I mean? Like you're really understanding of where she's at. And you're really appreciative of like, and you get what you get how good you have it. You know what I mean?

Like, you know, a lot of guys like, guys are so stupid half the time. Like they get something good and then they just like take it for granted. it, you know what I mean? And they'd be like fucking other girls behind the girls back and all that stuff. You know, that's like so stupid. You get that. You have a really good deal. You know, and I think that that's great. I've told her before, I said, if you want to go out and, you know, hook up with one of your friends or something, I said, I don't care. But when you come home, you got to at least tell me about it or better yet. I want to watch. Right. Yeah. See, you are like these other guys. Like, they do like the stories of it.

They like the thought of it. I mean, did you always have these fantasies? Like, when you were married to these other women, did you have a fantasy always of, like, seeing your girl with another guy, or is this just something that knew that you got turned it onto because this girl was into it? I'd have to say maybe something more and less new.

With my second wife, all the time I always had a fantasy of two girls, and I started realizing I'm like, you know what, this is like every guy's fantasy, like every girl wants to be taken on the beach. Uh-huh. And it's like, okay, well, you know what? I wonder, I thought, if my wife, if she has a fantasy and maybe two guys.

Uh-huh. So I started talking to her about it, and she's like, no, no, no, I don't need that. You know, I don't need that. I just thought, huh, well, guys always feel like this. You know, I would think that maybe girls would, too. So, you know, then kind of the more I thought about it, it's kind of like, you know what? that would kind of be neat because like I know guys like get their brains fucked out well I'm sure a woman would like too and it'd be kind of neat that as long as I could participate

too you know you know we both fuck our brains out right and she'd be like her eyes rolled back her head and be like seeing stars and right and that's what you did with your girl that one time with that guy did he want did you both screw her that time yeah right but your ex-wife's Did they ever do the girl-girl thing for you? Or did it? It was just this one did it for you. It was the first time? She did the girl-girl thing for me twice. This woman, your girlfriend, but none of your ex-wives did it for you, right?

Nope. No, just this girl. So this was the first time for you to have two women at the same time? Actually, it was just girl-girl. And then when they were done, the girl went to another room. and then it was me and her. Right. And where did you find the girl?

Actually, on Craigslist. Really? And she was a real girl? It was actually a couple. Oh, and then did the other guy watch too? Yeah. And then did they go in the other room and have sex? Yeah, they went in a separate room too.

And whose house? Were you at a house? Or someone's house? At their house. At their house? And were they good looking? Like, I mean, how did, was she, was it easy to get easier to get her to like sort of hook up with another woman like right off the bat than it is to get her with another guy that she doesn't know? I think so because even for that first time we went out, we went out when we had drinks first.

And I think she slammed back a lot. I know the other girl, she was feeling pretty much no pain. She was wasted too. Yeah, that made it, I think, real easy for them. And I think after, like you said before, after she broke the ice, then when it, when it come to the second time, they went and they were talking and, you know, getting to know each other. And then they just decided, okay, well, come on, guys, we're going to go in the bedroom and we're going to do this for you. You know, they did their thing. And then the other girl got up and walked out of the room and said, okay, you know, she's all yours.

Mm-hmm. And now you said your girl's not. into girls at all. She just does it for you? No, yeah, that's what she told me. She just does it for me. Right. Well, that's a very nice. Because I want to see that. Right. Uh-huh. And she did it twice. Well, that's really nice. Considering, I mean, like, you don't think maybe she is into it a little bit, or she just is strictly doing it for you? I think maybe she's into it a little bit. Yeah.

She said it turns her on more to know that we're watching. Right. They're watching her do this and it's a moody thing and, you know, it's taboo and all that other stuff. And that's what gets her excited. Right. And how old were these other women? She's 50. Like, were they younger her age? Like, what was the deal with the other couples?

The one couple, the first one was, she was in her late 20s. And the second one, then, she was a little older than us. Right. Well, the late 20s girl, was she attractive? Yeah, she was pretty nice girl. Right. And then did you ever, do you keep in touch with these couples or no? I haven't, no.

No. And then the other woman, you said she was older than 50. How old was she? 55. Did she look good? Yeah, she was good for her age. Right. And was she with her husband or her boyfriend?

Like, what was their deal? Yeah, her husband. Her husband? So interesting. That's why I like doing my show because, you know, I post these hours. on Craigslist. I love to get my callers from Craigslist because I find these people that live like these secret lives, you know? I mean, these are people, I don't know. What do you do for a living? I've worked in construction. Uh-huh. So it's just like these are people that like you could either be in an office next to or somebody's, you know, and walking by you want to construction. You know, you just never know what people are doing in their private life. It's so interesting to me, you know? Like that couple that you said that you met this husband and wife. Like I'm sure their friends don't have any clue that they're like on Craigslist going a whole. home and fucking other people, you know, like it's just, but this is the stuff that actually

really goes down. I mean, you go to family functions with your girl, right? And like, you know, and everyone sees, but no one would have any clue that you guys are going to swing clubs and she's going to be gang banged and everything. Yeah, probably not. No, there's no way, right? I hope my mother don't find out. Oh, my God, yeah.

And she hopes your mother doesn't find out either. Your mother would definitely look at her like she's a horror if she found out. like you could never let your mom know. Right. Right. And your kids. And so none of your friends have any idea, right? No.

So as far as like advice, like I know that you said you had a question. Was it like, I mean, are you looking for advice? Are you just like sort of, I mean, a lot of people just call my podcast and call in, I think, just to sort of talk about what they do secretly just to get it off their chest because they have no one to talk to you about it. Some people call up because they have actual questions and they're looking for advice. I mean, your stories are interesting enough. Like, is there anything that you need help with?

It doesn't sound like you do. Just a good way to get her to kind of loosen up. Well, okay, like I said, my bad thing that I do is the alcohol, like, you know, have her drink a little bit more. But I think with women, the best thing to do is just to keep going. I think that you should try driving a little farther or going to Philadelphia is close enough to you. to try going to like Philadelphia and try a swing club there.

I bet you it's going to be a better vibe. I mean, I've never been to Philadelphia, even though it's so close. I mean, I'm in New York City. But I'm assuming because it's a city area and it's more urban that you might get a better looking crowd and more diversity and she might, you know, and if you go like on a Saturday night

or you spend like the weekend there and maybe you go out to, you know, you have dinner beforehand, and you have some drinks and get her like lubed up a little bit with some alcohol. You know what I mean? And then bring her to a swing club. It has to be all the stars have to be aligned. All you need is that one time with her.

I really believe that it's just like that one time, you know? And then she's going to be like you said, you know, with the girl, like the first time she was a little whatever. And then the second time she went right to it. It's just a matter of getting her like, you know, to cross the line. And I think you're doing the right thing by letting her make that decision. and let her keep going and saying no, whatever, you know. But I think a little alcohol doesn't help. And I think if you find, you know, keep looking either for a better party.

Like I know for the friend of mine that worked in the one here in the city, there was like this whole group of people that came in from Long Island. And it was like this lawyer and his wife and all their friends. And they were all super good looking. So I think if you, you know, and that was just at this one club. And it just said this is where these people wound up. So they're good looking people that are swingers, right? You just need to find them, you know, so that she's not.

creeped out by the dudes in the place. You know, maybe she needs like a slightly better looking guys if she's like picky like that, just at least in the beginning. Then you could take her back to the skanky ones by her house. And I bet you she's fine with it. You know, but to start off, I would say try going to Philadelphia or keep trying to find a better place with a better vibe or a club where it's, you know, better people. So maybe she feels more comfortable and keep her there longer.

You know what I mean? Yeah. But it's going to happen. I mean, you're there. Like, there's no way it's not going to happen. You have to be patient, though, with her because you never want to look like, oh, you want it so bad. You know what I mean? Because then the girl's going to be like, what the fuck?

But it doesn't even sound like she's petty like that. Do you know what I mean? Right. It sounds like you guys really communicate. Yeah, no. I mean, you guys, like, I don't think there's like you have no issues. You just want it to happen already. And I'm sure she wants it to happen too, but she just needs it to be on her term.

And that's how women more so are, you know. But like I said, I think for you, try a club in Philadelphia and maybe spend a weekend, you know, go there, get a hotel for the two of you guys, you know, and do it up and like make it like a thing. You know, maybe you find a better crowd. You just need that right place with the right kind of people. And I think it's probably different in every place. Oh, I'm sure. Right? And like I said, I mean, I know in New York, they were good looking.

Like I remember my friend, I used to question him so much because it's so fascinating to me, these kind of things. I've never been to a swing club. I've never swung with anybody. Like, I don't do this stuff, but I find it interesting. And I always wanted to know so much about it. And so he would tell me, and like it was like really good. It was like good looking people. I once had a girlfriend of mine bartend because you were allowed in these swing clubs in the city,

you were allowed to bring your own alcohol. You know, it was like a bring, right? But you couldn't, like they couldn't, you couldn't pay for it. Is that how it is at the places you go to, right? Yep. Right. So you bring your own alcohol. So my friend bartended there too, and she's like met the nicest people.

She was like, it was really interesting to hear her stories too. So I think you need to try to get to a better place. And that's it. But there's no doubt in my mind that, you know, within the next couple of months, like, you're going to be good to go. And as far as the body thing is concerned and her gaining weight and everything, you know. I hear that that happens in relationships, and that's what people do. And that sucks, you know what I mean? Because, like, what are you supposed to say to her?

You know, you can't really comment on it because that would really freak her out. You know what I mean? I know, because I had read a lot of articles before, and they said, don't ever say that, honey, you're getting fat because that's a big no-no. That's not going to motivate her to go to the gym. No. No. I've tried, like with my last wife, I've tried kind of just like hinting around and being nice about it.

And it's like, you know what? It just doesn't work. No, with the hinting. Well, what's your idea of hints? Like, what would you, how would you hint? Maybe just talk about going, walking. Like, I know now with my girl now, I tell her, I said, you know what, I feel so freaking fat. It's like, I got to lose weight.

I said, we got to start watching what we eat or something. I said, because I'm getting too fat. Yeah, that's smart. What does she say? I love you just the way you are. Oh, God. You don't understand. I know I have gained a lot of weight, too, since she lived in.

And it's like I feel actually horrible about myself. Right. Well, when you're not so fat, when you're not overweight, do you at least go up from like a four to a six or a seven? Are you a four now because you gained a lot of weight? Yeah, I'd say probably that. I mean, I think I really got a laid-back outgoing personality. I'm more shy into myself until I get to know you or get to know people. And then I open up more.

And if I see anybody who needs something like along the side of the road or something, I'd stop and give me a hand. I don't have a problem with that. And not expect nothing in return just because that's the way people should be. Uh-huh. Yeah, you're a nice guy. I think more than my personality, which I think is more important than my looks, maybe. Yeah, well, you know, do you go to the gym?

No, I had to have a couple of memberships. But maybe that's what you need to do together, because she would go to the gym, right? Isn't that how she kept in shape, or no? Yeah, it's just the motivation to go. I know. together it's kind of fun i've had gym partners like i i not like my boyfriends but just guys that were my friends at the gym i've had a couple in my years of working out i've worked out all my life since i'm like 23 and um i love working out with people at the gym like it's fun because you're like talk to each

other you work out together it's kind of hot in a way like because you're being very physical but it it's not bad if you go with somebody even if you're like i do i lift weights because i'm really thin so i want to bulk up but you know even if you're like overweight and you want to like cardio and stuff. If you guys would both sit on a bike or you go on the treadmill together and you talk and do it, you know, together, it's like it's kind of fun. It's not so bad. It's not as bad as you think. And that's a good way. And especially because she's worked out, she could teach you. And if you could do that together, that's another way of like hinting to her. Do you know what I mean? Tell her, hey, you know what? I don't like my body. Can you teach me how to work out? Like, what do you do at the

the gym? Like, do you want to go to the gym together? Like, I've never been to the gym. I don't really want to go. but if I go with you, you know, and that can maybe help her get into it. And then maybe you like working out. I love working out. I mean, you do get endorphins. It does change the way you feel. And it does make you look better. It's a win-win-win situation.

And that's what I've heard before. They say people who like exercise a lot and stuff, once you start doing it, you can't stop. You know what it is? I'm going to tell you, and I swear to you, like no matter what mood I'm in when I get to the gym, I always leave in a great mood. I always leave feeling great. There really is 100% an endorphin rush that you get. Like you get endorphins when you work out.

It's a physical thing that actually happens. And it makes you feel better. And so like I said, if I'm in the worst mood or I'm not depressed or I'm happy, it doesn't matter how I go, I always leave better and in a better place because once you start working out and you start torturing yourself, you start releasing those endorphins and you just feel good. And even though it's hard and it's torture when you're there, you do feel better. And then you start to get addicted to that. Or you just know, I'm going to go to the gym. I don't want to go to the gym, but I know that I'm going to feel

better once I'm done. And that time, that 45 minutes or two hours or one hour, however, that's going to go by anyway. So it could go by and you could be doing something productive that's going to make you look better. Or you could not. You know, it's your choice. I've always been a working out person since, like I said, I'm 23. I actually enjoy. it. But even if you don't, it's good if you have a partner to go do it. You will, you will feel great when you're done. You won't feel great while you're doing it. It's very hard. But if you look at it as a challenge and you get into it. And then what's the other thing I think that keeps you going back is once you really start seeing results, you want to look good. Like you feel good

looking good. You know what I mean? And then you, that's my reason. I always had a great body when I was younger. And once I started to think like, oh, like I could lose this. Like I work out because I always want to look that way. You know, it's hard for me to let go of that. So once you start looking better, you're not going to want to look like shit again. So get your ass to the gym. So you could, I mean, a four is not acceptable, okay? If you're a six or seven, if you lose the weight, like, you need to go back to that, okay?

And then let her go with you. And then she could lose a little weight. And you guys will be gang banging before you know it. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, thanks for calling in. It was very fascinating.

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