Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 069- Steve Has Been Giving Strangers Massages for Years

Episode Date: April 13, 2015

Steve calls in to discuss his secret life of giving sensual massages to random strangers he meets online. From a bushy lesbian, to a hot, stay at home mom who wanted to learn how to squirt, to a 300+ lb woman who wanted to be fisted, to liscensed therapists who wanted to step outside their boundaries, Steve's massaged them all and many more. Tune in to hear the details about those experiences as well as find out how he got started, how he finds women who want to be "massage", and how he keeps it all a secret from his wife. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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actually giving them. His name is Steve, and this is what he wrote me. He wrote me a lot of information, but I was just like, let's just get all into that on the show. But I'm going to read you the one part of what he did was he started to get, he's like, he started early on getting massages from women and he liked it so much he figured he'd be into giving them. So he started to, you do it on the side. And they were sensual, sexual, whatever you want to call it, kind of massages that he would

do on women and he's had like tons of experiences. He's married and he's got one of those interesting fine lines of what he considers cheating and not cheating and whatever. You know, it makes sense to him. So that's always interesting to me. But this is his deal. He's like a non-licensed massage guy and he told me that he has had sessions. This is what he wrote in the email and this is what we get into in the show because I already taped the episode a while ago actually. He said, these sessions, meaning his massage sessions, include everything from a bushy lesbian to a hot stay-at-home mom that wanted to learn to squirt to a 300-pound plus, 300-plus pound that wanted to be fisted. Escorts that traded massages for blow jobs, coworkers that just wanted to get the massage and

like to be naked during the massage, to license therapists that wanted to step out of their boundaries and to at least for others who would allow and encourage manual and oral stimulation as wills a couple of females that wanted to get into the massage body rip business and had me as a coach i don't remember because i taped this a long time ago if we get into all of that i do know for sure we talk about the bushy lesbian we talk about the stay-at-home mom we talk about the that wanted to squirt we talk about the 300-pound woman and we talk about a lot more he's had a lot of experiences um he talks about how he got into it uh where he advertises all that stuff so it's like a really interesting call because i've never had this kind of person on i mean i've heard of the

opposite. I thought when he was like a massage guy, it was going to be the guy who loves to go and get happy endings. But this is like the opposite. He does the massages. And that's not like his day job. That's just like a side thing that he does. So I'll be right back on with Steve. Do you have a story, lifestyle, or situation you can't talk about to anyone, to anyone? Or do you just want to let your freak flag fly and be on the show? Well, Strictly Anonymous wants to hear from you. Send us an email. Strictly Anonymous podcast. Podcast at gmail.com with your story and your anonymous name. And remember, everything is strictly anonymous.

Hi, is it Steve? Yes, it is. Hey, Steve, you're on the strictly anonymous podcast. How are you? I'm doing well. How are you? I'm good. So I just looked over your email and all your bullet points.

I mean, you have so many stories. I wouldn't even know where to begin. But I definitely think, like, the massage thing, is a very hot topic because I have like a friend and I'm sure like where there's one there's many like I think a lot of guys have like a massage fantasy and a lot of girls don't understand that their guys are getting happy endings when they're getting massages because I would never think as a woman that would be like a hot thing but I know I have a one friend who travels all the all the time he's like a big money guy you know and he's always getting these massages and he tells me the stories and

they kind of sound kind of hot and like basically that's your deal like you you started at a very young age getting massages, right? Is that your thing? But now you do them too as well, right? So let's start, like, from the beginning. Well, I mean, yeah, when I did start at a fairly young age in my early 20s and getting massage. However, you know, I grew up in, I live in the Midwest, and it's a fairly conservative part of the world. And so the massages that I enjoyed were all very legit, therapeutic.

and there were there were times, many times just being a young male in a room with a female giving me a massage, I'm undressed just under this little sheet. You know, it was not difficult to become turned on. Right. Right. Right. So I would get turned on and I would enjoy the massage, but then there would always do that underlying little what-ifs running through my head all the time.

and you know that was that was part of the fun and part of the excitement i guess um i i truly enjoyed the massage sometimes i would go in for the massage because my neck hurt other times it go in the room just because i i wanted to enjoy that electricity in the room or what have you right so you know that that's really where it kind of began and it wasn't uh it wasn't until i uh found one therapist that i worked with for a while and i just i i really uh oh You know, my girlfriend, I think, and wife at the time, I would sometimes go home and get her massage. And again, it was kind of a little fine line between just trying to be nice and give a nice relaxing massage or be more sensual. Right.

And trying to take it down that path, so it went both directions. Uh-huh. So I started working with one therapist kind of regularly. She was real cool. She did a very good job. She wasn't necessarily physically my type, per se. but she was still sensuous and, you know, and faltering her own way.

And I started talking about, you know, that I was very interested in giving massage. I'd ask her questions if that the other. And eventually that turned into at whatever point, I don't know if I asked, if she had suggested. Right. This was a long time ago. It was a long time ago, absolutely.

But at one point, I was allowed, literally, I get them receiving my massage, and she had time, and she said, you know what? If you want to practice on me, let's see what you got. And do you know, I left the room. I know she left the room. I got dressed.

I leave the room. She gets on the table and I go back and I start giving her a massage. And I don't totally know what I'm doing, but I'm trying to mimic the things that I had kind of verbally learned from her paying attention to what she did. And while I was walking that real fine line of, do I make it, I want to keep it legit. I don't want to freak her out. But at the same time, I've got a naked woman. on the table. She was probably a decent number of years older than me at the time.

Well, wait, let me ask you a quick question. Let me ask you a quick question. Was this her place of business? Because I'm thinking, how do you, like, if she's working for somebody else, right, and you're in a place, like, how do you take that much time and how does she leave and come out? Like, was this her own massage place that she could, like, leave and come back into the room

and change things up without anybody knowing what was going down? Great question, and yes. It was her own studio. I mean, it was a professional place of business. Right. Right. It was a professional place of business, but it was her own. Right. Okay, cool. So she was able to do, she was able to do that without you guys getting caught or anything.

Exactly. Exactly. And there again, and, you know, to anyone out that it doesn't know, it is, you know, there's no sexual acts or anything in this at this time period and this going on. So there's nothing that legal from that standpoint. However, there's rules and regulations for massage therapists. and to the best of my knowledge and the best of my understanding, her flipping the tables there, so to speak, getting in on the table, is not part of the ethics.

Right, you're not supposed to do that. Like what she was doing was kind of wrong. Right, okay. Right. But that's what makes it hot. So get back to the hot story. So now she's laying down on the ground, and you feel like chemistry between the two of you.

Now it's not just you to her. Like you feel like her sort of viving on you as well? Absolutely. Right. Yeah, I do. I think I do at least. Right. And there truly is.

It was a really good, really good massage. And not to get too deep. And there's therapists out there that I know a lot more than I do. But there is an energy in the room. I'm not a hippie. I'm not willing to. Uh-huh. Totally.

Brilliant. All of that stuff. But it's there. It can be there. And so that chemistry that you mentioned, it's not necessarily a chemistry between she and I like, well, I want to date this one. But there is a, there is a connection. and it's hard to explain.

No, and I think that's the difference between like a really great massage therapist and one that's not so great. Like you almost feel like when you're with somebody that's really good, that they're actually, they know where to go on your body, they know what to do. Like they're really like, I believe it is a blending of energies and they're picking up on it and it's like very subtle but I definitely believe that it exists, you know? And it's like a groove. It's like you're basically like riding the same wave, you know, and she's in your energy and you're in her. and if it's really right, it should be like you're on the same wavelength, you know? You absolutely correct,

and I could not agree with you one. I think people don't realize that until they experience it. It's the same thing with sex as far as I'm concerned. Like, that's the difference between someone you have great sex with and someone you don't. Like, you know, sometimes you have sex with someone and you guys just are, it's like a dance and it just goes the same way. You know what I mean?

It's like the same thing to me with chemistry, sexual chemistry. You know, it's the same sort of vibe. I agree. I'm taking that one step further, not just to those feelings, but that chemistry, the true chemicals behind it is the sense and the, you know, sometimes it's good. Sometimes it's not. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sometimes it's like, you're right, and sometimes it's really wrong. Absolutely. Okay, so now you're like at a slippery slope, though, with this lady because, you know, if you read it the wrong way, right? Like, you could go to jail, right? Because you're sitting there massaging her and you're like, should I go? go to like the forbidden zone or should I not, right? Because if you go, if you do cross that line and she's not really on that same page,

you could be in trouble. Absolutely. Absolutely. And it was. It was very. How did you know? Exciting. What was your first move?

With her, my first move was, it was monitoring her reactions. And, you know, I worked on her. worked on her back. And to be honest with you, and if I'm remembering quickly, I don't believe it was even the first time with her that I'm not sure if I crossed that line if it was a first or second time. Okay. When back when that came about, I know that she had already commented about, and I remember how she phrased it, but like you were saying, when I was just working on her back, just her upper back and down her shoulders and such. I mean, she commented about the connection and how well I was doing. maybe she made some reference towards you really you've got something here right some people have it some

people don't you got something you should really look at doing this more often um but i i want to stay it was the second time and i'd work on her and i'm walking on her legs and you know when i get to the upper leg she's on her stomach i get to the upper leg and a thigh and around her her bod area which she was all about massaging her hips and the buck and what have you on the sides you know from truly deep end of muscle, not anything central, but it was very obvious when my hands would move in between her legs, how her body would respond. Right. Okay, both, again, the chemistry, the heat, the humidity going on was very obvious, but also

some of her movements were extremely welcoming, if you will. And so that's really where that, so I'm sorry. just kind of took it to, you know, fingering her. So, right. And let me ask you this, was she turned on when you went there, like, so you knew she you were right? Like, you know, me was she totally wet? Yeah.

Okay, right. Yeah, so there was no question. And to be honest with you, in that particular situation, I didn't have to be, I didn't have to be absolutely in the danger zone to know that. I mean, it was already, there was. She was wet all over. Right. Okay, cool. So that was a... Because, I mean, with a guy, it's easier to tell because a guy gets a hard on, right?

So you just really know. With a woman, there's a way to know, like, because she'll be duet. Like, you know, that's why I was like, oh, if she was being turned on beforehand, by the time you got, went down there, you would know for sure. Right. Absolutely. And so that's how that began. And, you know, we went back and forth and it kind of turned into a fairly regular thing. However, there was...

I never received any sort of sexual contact from her. Right. So you just fingered her to orgasm? Correct. And she would do nothing to you. And you'd just be horny and hard, and you'd be okay with sort of just leaving it at that? Yeah, yeah.

Yes. And actually, I don't even know if I was always, I'm sure I was at that time, honny and hard. And as we move up closer to today, I can tell more stories that are along that line. Right.

Yeah, so I mean, yeah, I was fine with that. It was, I truly, one, I was getting a pre-massage and a very good massage at that. Right. That truly was awesome. And then on the flip side, it was, yeah, I had no problem just doing that for her. And I, there's a justification in my mind that, you know,

I wasn't single at the time. That's what I was going to ask, do you have a significant other? So you didn't feel like you were cheating? Yeah, don't get me wrong. I know that. No, I know. We all have these ways of justifying it in our mind. It's always interesting to me that people think that way, but that's what's, that's,

you're being honest, you know, and I think that. So in your mind, that was like the way that you justified yourself not cheating. Correct. Right. That's correct. And I always kept a division there. So that went on for a short while until, unfortunately, she started

contacted me wanting to go hang out and she knew that I wasn't single but she she must have started liking you or something right

right and I think that she was single and I don't think she had a lot of friends in the area and obviously developed a out of connection

and unfortunately we had it was very honest in the front with her and I apologize that we got

to that point but there was simply no way you know, I didn't want to go down that path, but I didn't want to date her in any way, shape, or form, and I was fine not massaging her, but, you know. So that ended. It ended, right.

And it was quite some time after that. You know, I truly did learn legitimate massage. And like you said, this is very common, and you can look on Craigslist, and you can find, you know, hundreds of people offering to massage and massage for each other. Right. But you said when you started to do it and you put yourself out there, you were one of like the first, right?

Because what happened is now you went into doing this as like your thing on the side, right? Like you put ads and you solicited women to come. Right. I had a boyfriend just so you know. I wrote a whole book and if anyone has bought the book, like there's a chapter with this guy. And like at the end of our relationship, he was like, he never knew what to do. And he was a total loser in some sense. Not that it has anything to do with people that massage people.

But at some point he was like going for jobs and he told me he was going for jobs and I'd see these numbers of where he was going. And then we'd start getting calls when I was at his house and people would be like, I'm calling you about the massage and I'll be like, what the fuck are you talking about the massage? And I'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about the massage? And I'm like, what? And they gave me the name of the paper. I went and bought the paper and there it was. He was like literally like, hey ladies, enjoy a free massage. In my bed or you? yours. I'm like, oh my God, you're basically prostituting yourself out. I mean, we broke up. It was like, I couldn't believe it. So maybe back in the day, it was only you and my boyfriend that was doing this. I thought it was only him. At least

now I know, there was somebody else. No, you know, there was another one. Yeah, that's right. So, you know, I moved through there, and I did, it took a little bit of time, and, you know, I did start, I came up with a person here. came up with a person there.

So women would actually respond to that ad? Yes, and that's the whole reason that I even reached out to you whatsoever. Yeah. And, you know, I stumble across your program and I listened for a while and there are a couple things that kind of caught my attention, but one was talking about Craigslist,

and I have no idea with who it was that you were talking to, but they referenced, or you referenced that, you know, it doesn't tell like guys to have much, luck fighting and females on there, it's pretty much all guys. Yeah. Don't come wrong. I guarantee of that is hands down the vast majority, but, you know, I've even referenced

it as almost like fishing. And, you know, there's a lot of fish out there. You know, the one you want to catch is maybe few and far between. But if you're patient. Right. Like a fisherman. And you just sit there with your fishing pole. We were talking about this on a podcast this week I was taping.

We were talking about like, why do guys like fishing? seems so boring. You're just sitting there. But I think, you know, men are into the chase. You know, it's that chase thing that you guys like. So I think in a weird way, right, for a guy is like the longer the chase, you eventually get something. That's what adds to the thrill of it, right? Right. Absolutely. Right. And, you know, if it's not working, then you change your bait.

Right. You change back. You change your approach. So you get women from Craigslist, is what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, I do. And, you know, it's not, you know, as I explained, it's not, it's not all sexual. It's all entertaining. It's all. Okay, but I just want to get, but there are, like, I mean, you gave me, like, you gave me bullets of very, like, you know, detailed stories.

But, like, when your first email to me, this is what you wrote, I'm going to remind you. And it sounds great. These sessions include everything from a bushy lesbian to a hot stay-at-home mom that wanted to learn to squirt to a 300-pound plus that wanted to be fisted. escorts that traded massages for blow jobs, co-workers that just wanted to get massaged and like to be naked during, to a licensed therapist that wanted to step outside their boundaries and at least four who would allow and encourage manual and oral stimulation

as well as couples, a couple of females that just wanted to get into massage body rub business. So a lot of that sounds very sexual to me. Yes. And those are the stories I want to hear because it's fascinating to me. Okay. I understand that perfectly. So yeah, we leave the rest behind.

No, no, no, but I also like to know the story, though, too. So you go from, like, doing that and you're with a significant other, and you have it in your mind. I'm not cheating because I'm not doing this. But at some point, it does turn into you're getting blowjobs and shit from these people. And I know that you've been married. You've been married twice, right? Right.

So, like, where does this fit into your marriage? So eventually you get married, right? And this is, like, after your career as a massage therapist? Say that again. Okay. So when, like, eventually you get married, right? Does that happen before or after? after you start massaging women on Craigslist?

Like, where does that fit into that as far as the timeline? Oh, no, no. I had already been married for a period of time. Right. So you start massaging people while you're married, right? And when do you cross that line? Because in your mind, the line to you is if I'm fingering them and they're not doing anything to me, I'm not cheating.

But eventually you're getting blowjobs and stuff from them while you're married? Right, right. So you eventually cross over to cheating. Like, when does that happen and how does that happen? Well, two things. One, it happens as the marriage is struggling and going wayward. How long were you married for? Probably, well, in total, I was married for 13 years or 12 years.

But this probably happened at about year five or year six. And when it first started, it was probably a good year in before anything happened. and besides that finger. There were a couple of girls that I worked with that were just completely straight-up massage. I mean, one that I knew as a person. I told her I was on a massage.

Uh-huh. They had her a massage thing. It was very legit. Nothing sexual whatsoever either way. It was very sensual. It was very exciting. Right. But it never crossed that line.

And then, ironically, one of the first, the first times I received anything was one of my ads, I get contacted, and it was a therapist who was actually in a. studio in a shared studio of two or three therapists. I forget what it was, a decent-sized studio. And when I first heard from this, this lady or gal, I thought, I was a little worried. What do you mean? Because I got a couple of, well, I received a couple of nasty emails from some therapists saying,

you shouldn't be doing this. You're not licensed. Lodot or the dog. Right. I can imagine that they feel that way. Right. It's very unprofessional, like the way they would see it. Uh-huh.

That they, correct. And I respect and I appreciate the fact that they've gone through the steps to get licensed and what have you. It's like apples and oranges. I mean, please. You're doing, you know, so I feel like there's no fighting between the two of you. But I could see where they would think like, what the fuck are these people, you know, especially because they probably know you're soliciting sexually on the side too, which is probably something that the real legit ones are very against. Exactly. But who cares about that?

I mean, on this call, you know what I mean? that's right well and so I and I would see the therapist and I see regular therapist and I always wonder you know well they cross the line would they cross a line whatever and yeah but I'm not I'm not a pushing person I'm not one to to press boundaries right I probably fast will have more opportunities than I needed to but I try to be very passive but I did with this woman she contacted me I was really skeptical really kind of questioning she had it set up she wanted me to meet her at her her studio after hours, all of this, and I just, I just really wasn't sure, but...

You thought maybe she was, like, she was one of those people that were mad at you, and she was trying to, like, beat you? Yeah. Right, right, I got it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, mm-hmm. And so, I was skeptical going into it, but, you know, I looked everything out.

My bro out there, I did go to the studio, was very legit. Met her, we met outside, introductions, walked inside, talked, and she just said, look, I got a I got to, you know, lock the door and I'm going to keep the front lights down because I'm not open for business. You know, my partner ever knew, I, you know, I don't want anyone to know. But she gave me a massage. Very straightforward. It was very straightforward, normal therapeutic massage. And then she literally made a try to give a swap.

Now, she's on the table, and I start working on her. And she starts giving me some direction and really. very forwardly, just, you know, die, you know, don't waste as much time on the shoulders and all over the back, let's just get to be in her thighs and, you know, kind of get to it. And, and, uh, no problem. Start going that direction, start, uh, start, uh, start, loving a click and taking care of her business. I'm not, she's very turned on already. And then she asked if she could touch me while she's doing that or while I'm doing that, and I'm sure. And I'm trying to get very turned on. And pretty soon she's got my desktop. She's

playing with it and got me off on taking care of her. And that was, we both took care of each other to completion. And that must have been a very hot experience for you. Because A, you know, you've never really went past that point with anybody, right? So this was like taking that fantasy to another level. B, it's cheating sex, which unfortunately always has some sort of hotness involved with it more so than anything. Because it's illicit, right? So like it must have been like the most amazing.

experiencing experience. Absolutely. It's also the fact that she's sneaking around from her business. Totally. So, I mean, it's can't do from every possible. Right. And that's like the hottest thing ever. Yeah. Right. And add into that, this was absolutely at the demise of my marriage during the time that Lord knows how long you had been since I had been touched in any way, shape, or form. Right. This is the first action you're getting. It was incredible. And as a guy, after I go home after all of that, what do I want to do? What's the next thing I want to do? I want to do that again.

Of course. Unfortunately, never, to this day, never talked to her again. You know, never had a second session, what have you. How come? Couldn't you just call her up and make an appointment? Like, why, how come there was no other involvement with her? I never, well, I never called, and I would never have called her place of business. But I emailed a couple of times, and she didn't respond. She might have been freaked out.

She may have been, you know, it may have just been that one only thing. Who knows she may have been completely disgusted by me? Who knows? No, I think more so with a woman. I mean, she got off, right? Oh, absolutely, yes. So she wasn't disgusted by you. She might have been disgusted in herself afterwards, but she wasn't disgusted with you

and she wouldn't have gotten off. She might have been like, oh, my God, what the hell did I do? And she might have had, like, conflicting feelings about it. And that's most likely what happened. You know what I mean? Right, right, right. Unfortunately, because, you know, you guys had a good thing, but she probably was like, holy shit, what the hell did I do?

And just didn't want to go back there, you know? Right. And I don't think twice about it. I don't, I never worried about it. It didn't bother me, didn't concern me. Like I said, I reached out a couple of hands, and if you're not interested, no big deal. Right. So you moved on.

Sure, absolutely. It was quite some time after that, and I wanted to see maybe even after I had divorced. before I ever stumbled across someone again. And, um, but didn't your wife find out? No. Oh, okay. Yeah. She never found out what you were doing.

How did you, let me just ask you quick question because I always feel like, you know, I want to know, like with cheating and that much and you're doing ads on Craigslist. And you're sort of living a double life because you got to like sort of make schedules and meet these people. Like where did you do your business? Like did you have a fake account or a separate phone or like, how did you do this behind your wife's back. Fake account or private account, if you will.

And that was absolutely it. You know, my, my, where would you do the massages? At to that point, they had all been at their studios for their locations. Oh, okay. So I, and I picked that back. There was one, that coworker was at my home when I was, you know, when I was, the only one home for a weekend. I was covering myself.

She came over and got naked and you massaged her. Correct. And when you said got naked, I mean she got naked behind closed doors, covered her with the sheet. I mean, I never saw it literally. I never saw a drop of her private areas,

whatsoever. Right. But moving forward, yeah, it would be wherever. The next time, which was, like I said, a good span of time, it could have been a year. After you were divorced, right? Right. And that's the part that, that's the part

that I think, you know, you look at my bullet points and you're like, oh, my God, look at all these experiences and all this stuff and what have you. Well, the reality is, is let's say there's 25 women or even 35. Uh-huh. That's over the span of literally 15 years. Right. That's fishing for 15 years. Right.

Yeah. And those, these episodes, and I will tell you, just like anywhere, like anywhere, it would be a matter of nothing for six months. Uh-huh. And I didn't have ads posted all the time. You'd just be every once in a while. I thought would pop up in my head, and I'm like, I'm going to put out an ad. And that ad could be up for a month or two. I might put two or three different ads, you know, kind of different approaches to see how to, you know,

what gets some attention. Then I may hear from, I could hear from five, ten, ten, fifteen people, hoping they're all women, acting like they are, but then only comes down to one or two that I actually even have more from the implementation weapon maybe one of those that we would actually meet. It's a numbers game. It's a numbers game. That's how it is for my podcast and getting people.

You know, I get so many people emailing me, but how many do I actually get on the schedule to call in? But it's the same thing with online dating. It's the same thing if you throw a party and you want 50 people there. You got to invite 150. You know, it's just a numbers game. Absolutely. But let me ask you this.

Don't you think, though, in a weird way, because it's just human nature. It's like, you know, and like you say like that waiting in the three. role of the chase that like if you could get those 25 people in 25 days like eventually i think you'd have to push those limits so much more to make it hot that the the sort of length of time that it takes to get them i think that's what keeps it fresh kind of because if it's something that was so available and so easy to get it would become so mundane a little bit more mundane i think that adds to keeping it hot because it takes a while in between do you know what i'm saying absolutely i agree with that and then i think also

So there's not a ton of repeat for either side because the same thing. It's that, you know, monogony is very difficult. And whether that's if you're in your relationship, sexually you're speaking, or just a simple conversation. If you and I talk for 10 straight days, we'd be pretty tired of talking to each other. Right. It's having that variety of people to work with, too, that also keeps it exciting. Exactly.

And it's always something new, right? I mean, you had a 300 pound plus woman who wanted to be fisted. And she, like, I think you said, like, she couldn't even, because I read the bullet on her. You couldn't even fit her, like, on the table, right? Yeah, yeah. So you're, so you get divorced, right? And then when does it start that you start, again, having women that it becomes like a, like, where do you meet the stay-at-home mom that wants to squirt? Like, how does that come about?

Okay. Okay, well, my last, my last before I kind of transitioned, my last episode, I stumbled across one that I put in an early bullet, was that I talked about the one that got away. And this kind of becomes a transition line. And this is one that responded to an ad. Like I said, maybe it had been a year or so. And she had a lot of questions. And is this legit? Is this straightforward?

What have you? you know, if there's no sex involved, I'm like absolutely not. This can be as straightforward and clinical and therapeutic. That's, you know, it's your comfort level. Well, do I get completely naked? She asked, and it's up to you. It's usually easier, but that, again, is completely up to you. So she finally wants to meet.

We go and we meet for lunch. We're just going to have lunch together. I'm probably surprised this is a younger at the time, probably seven to ten years younger than me, early 20s young lady. I'm now in my 30s. And a beautiful young lady. And we meet for lunch. I order an appetizer.

And she basically is like, well, where can we do that? Well, we could go to your place. Or I told her where I lived and my home happened to be for your heart. Just empty next single. And she she's like, I don't want to go that part. She said, I'll tell you

what, I'm going to go get a hotel room at such and such place and just come down and meet me in 30 minutes. And I thought, okay, this is very bizarre. But okay, but she claims she really needs the desire to. Again, very skeptical, the way this all went, and she was so nervous and what have you. And I got in, and she just gets in hotel room, she gets on the bed, and she gets down to her brawn panties, and as she laid down on her bread, she takes her bra off, but she's still in her panties. and I get lotion out

and I start to massage her and work on her back talk about her different areas and pretty soon she asked if I can take if she can take her panties off so I can go down her thighs one of her shirt

I'm not going to complain whatsoever and so then I start working down and then she proceeds to ask me what were her words you can touch everywhere you want and I'm like okay that's perfectly fine

but leading up to this how is a straightforward it's not going to be sexual, right? I mean, but yeah, I know, but I was, but I was going to say, and I, you know, I'll say at the end of the story my analysis of her. I mean, it's so obvious. Yeah, go on. Well, yeah. Yeah, she's kind of, obviously part of her fantasy.

No means yes. No means yes. Right, right. So I end up, I end up just figuring her, what have you. And, and you like direct and we don't have to edit your show. so she literally had the tightest person I ever felt in my entire life. It was unbelievable. And at that moment in time, I'd say, you know what?

I want to fuck this girl. Right, right. And is this the first one you'd be fucking? Would this be the first one? Absolutely, yes. Okay. And, but there was no doubt. No thoughts about going into this whatsoever.

Right. This was, how can I not experience this? I mean, it was incredible, just on one finger could not believe. Right. And so I take care of her. She's doing great, whatever. She's like, hey, let's swap. Let me take care of you for a bit.

And then she starts kind of rubbing on me, and she pulls my boxers off and she's giving me a blow job. Very nice at that. And I finally just said, hey, let's take this a step further. and she says, do you have a comment? No, I don't. And I prepared for that being no way did I expect to do that. Right.

Before I couldn't fuck her. And she did give me a job to completion, took very good care of me, and last time I ever talked to him, same thing. You didn't get to the fucker, though. You didn't? No. Okay, but she blew you.

feel that. So she blew me. Did you finger her? Yeah, okay. No, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely for quite a while. So having said that, I moved past that shortly after that time, I bought a table,

and I was going to make this a little more of a regular hobby. And going through that, and I've reached a couple of other things, but let's just, let's go to my large person. She responds to one of my ads and asking me a lot of questions. and one of my requirements or prerequisites and truly I'd work with a number of different women against some sexual, some not. And I said, it's an open bud.

You know, I sincerely enjoy doing this. And then she proceeds to tell me, you know, her weight, how big did she mean? And I said, well, there's a weight limit on the table and how big are you? She said, well, what's your weight limit? And I told her 300, and she's like, don't bring your table.

Oh, my God. But I truly, I'm like, and at that given time, I sincerely was thinking about doing this in the profession. I was sincerely not doing it. It would be difficult to pull the sexual side and the sensual side out of it, but I really enjoyed giving massage. I really enjoyed making a woman feel good. Right. Making her neck muscles relax, what have you.

It really was a cool experience. So I went and saw her, and she was every bit as big, it's not bigger, than she said she was. And I worked on her and it was tricky. And yes, she absolutely wanted it to be on the central side. And I started fingering her, what have you, and another finger and another finger. And finally she just asked, I'd stick my whole fist in there. And, yeah, that was an experience. Wow.

Yeah, it was an experience. How much does she pay for that? How much did she pay for that? How much would you charge? Did you charge? See, I never, I never charged, quote unquote. Right. That's illegal.

Okay. If I'm providing a, you know, if I'm providing a service for a fee that you'll go on the license to do that. However, if I'm getting together with someone and they want to throw money my way, that's up to them. Would they? Yeah. Yeah. At times. Yeah.

And she was 40 bucks, 40, 45 bucks, I think, maybe 35. I think she had asked me to come back after that. And I think that at that time I said I would. I gave her a number, not outrageous, but I gave her a number, and it should never call back. Oh, you wouldn't fist her a second time for free? You're like, now I want to get paid? Yeah. Why, it was too much work?

It was a lot of work. Really? That was. Right. Yeah. Shooting straight. I mean, let me ask you this, like, just honestly, because I think sometimes, you know, people think women think men. or only turned on by, like, you know, a woman that looks a certain way.

But, you know, I think a lot of times a heterosexual man could be, you know, turned on by a lot of different things, you know, just in the moment, whatever, tits or tits, you know. Like, for this woman, she's like over 300 pounds. Like, did you get turned on by her in the slightest? Not in the slightest. You didn't. Okay.

Right. Not at all. No. And I'm not. I'm not overly picky. I'm not judgmental whatsoever. Right. And you'd be honest.

I mean, nobody knows who you are. Right. no no no I'd be absolutely honest but you were turned on I'm not even just because she was 3 hundred pounds I'm not seeing you know it's not just a physical thing okay yeah um for me

I mean believe me I've been in a couple of situations but I mean no way should perform what I've been attracted to this person but I've gotten turned on with the situation that's what I mean right like we yeah sometimes you can't help like what you're attracted to so you don't know that's why I was curious like sometimes somebody might feel like I would never be attracted to a woman that's overweight

but then you wind up with a woman who's overweight and you're like oh like I'm kind of into this like you just don't know you know absolutely yeah and and and had I I I'm sure I would have been a lot more receptive to going back right right but you know for any reason but no I wasn't it didn't mean I wouldn't go back but I also want to get something from it

and take that part of it take the fisting way It was still, the massage itself was a lot of work. Right. Right. Yeah, because she's a bigger, she's a huge woman. There's a lot of, like, parts to massage. It's like doing three people at once. And there's that part of it and being perfectly blunt, there's, you've got to get ridden into that skin and those layers to get to the muscle.

So it's a lot of pushing and moving, right? So it's hard work. Yes, it is. So how much did you quote her, do you remember? I want to say she had $40. Right. And she wouldn't take it? And she said, no, I won't.

I'm not paying you $40. Oh, oh, no. I think, no. I think she paid me $40, the first time. Uh-huh. No, I'm sorry. To come back, I think it was $45, $45, I'm sure I never asked for more than $50 or $55. And she said, no.

She's so ridiculous for the $10. $10. She wouldn't let you do it. First of all, you're ridiculous to only charge $50 to do that hard. hard work and she's ridiculous to pass up for an extra $10. It's so ridiculous. Anyway, go on. Yeah, well, and what are some others that you would...

No, well, so you... But eventually, though, let me just ask you this, because I always like, you know, people's like relationship stories to be involved, too, in the whole thing, because you're not just massaging people. You're having relationships on the side, too, that you have two... You live a double life, right? Because you have these massage women that you're meeting and having sex with it, but you also have relationships, right?

And you eventually get married again, right? Correct. And when does that happen and what do you do in that relationship? Do you eventually start? Are you still married? Yes. To the same woman, the second woman? Yep.

And did you have kids with her or your first wife? Just the first. Okay. So this one you never have kids with and now when you meet her, do you stop massaging for a while and then get into it when the relationship or the, you know, becomes a little bit more mundane? Like, what is the deal with that? Yeah, this relationship is a lot completely different in a much more evolved and mature relationship.

I did stop for quite some time, just when I met my life and I spent a good deal of time. I was busy and tied up. I wasn't overly interested. I actually massaged her quite often. and I even again I was still contemplating this as doing this full time or what have you there actually were some I did some massage for some of her friends with her by her suggestion what have you your girl your wife correct okay whether or not that was you know right when we were married or before right after you know that's been a while as well

and yeah so I did some there and then at first she was pretty she was pretty okay with it and then some of the the massages I gave her would still be very clinical and I you know I turn there's clinical you know what it's like they go into the way you know yeah yeah very very medical or whatever and it would make them very straightforward would, but then there were a lot of times that it would take that natural turn. Even with her friends? No, no, no, no, no. Just with her.

Oh, right. Okay. And from there, she became less comfortable with the whole concept of me doing that on a regular basis with other folks. Of course. I was really trying to keep it very, very legit and probably. I mean, I was challenging and successfully challenging myself to do. them and keep them on the table, so to speak, straightforward.

Yeah. And I did for quite some time. You know, there was, it really stayed that way, I guess, until there was my third therapist that I had, that I spent some time with, receiving massage, what have you. Things, you know, been married for a while, you know, things are, you know, been married for a while. you know, things are slowed down, as they always do

in a new marriage, wasn't looking by any means for cheating or anything like that. But at the same time, if I was working with a therapist and if she wanted to give me a happy ending, hey, that'd be great. Right, just a little sex on the side.

Uh-huh. Yeah, exactly. I mean, again, just occasions. And I went to this person and she had a private studio and it's her. She was older. And a nice woman,

not overly attractive woman, not ugly, just, yeah, I'll leave it about the, um, we've just seen, we're to see her for a while, and she, um, everything was fine, everything was straightforward, everything was very legit, but she was very central in her approach to where I thought, wow, you know, this is going to go somewhere, this is going to be, you know, we're going to get some out of this and it was so erotic but it didn't cross that line. I would leave there so turned on, fired up, what have you. And I had a great experience, great massage and extremely turned on by at the end of them. Maybe the third or the fourth time I went to here, none pain, obviously, as I should.

But the fourth time I'm there, I'm on my face. and fixed down, and she's massaging those shoulders, her legs right there next to me. And I just kind of, I don't know, by whatever reason, I just put my hand on her leg. She didn't pull away. I just kind of rubbed on her leg a little bit. She didn't back away. And I just kept doing that. And now she kind of shifted the only way I could keep my hand on it.

She's moving to a different part of my back. My hand just kind of raised. And before you know it, I'm my hands up on her back with. five just about at her butt and I'm just kind of stroking back and forth, but I don't get any signs of anything, and it's finally time for me to flip over, and I flip over and I'm turned on and can't really hide that from her, and I don't think she really said anything, but she just kept the way she was working on my foot, she kept keeping her leg pushed them up to me, and so I just kept going and stroking on her legs until pretty soon she just kind of pulled the sheet off of me,

so I was no longer covered, and I started to rub my balls and just everywhere by grabbing my neck at the time. Uh-huh. And I just ran my hand all the way up in between her legs, and I just started rolling on her. And she just finally stops and looks at me and she said, you know, I don't do this, but good God, I'm too turned on. and she proceeds to 4 p.m. Sam and starts stroking me. I start fingering her while she's standing up. And pretty soon she asked me to get off the table and she bends over the table and wants me to fuck her. My justification couldn't let me go there.

So I fingered her from behind and kind of standing me behind her and holding her hips. sitting by this time I'm pulling up her shirt and pulling her bra up so I can play with the kids and she then climbs onto the table while I'm still fingering her and she's faced down at first by this time her pants are completely gone her shirt's pulled up at the moment she's playing with my dick and and when she turns over and just asks me to keep fingering her and at that time She pulls me closer to her, pulls my dick in the mouth as I'm free-winner, and she just starts getting off immensely, and she helps me finish right there. With a blowjob.

That was doing with a blowjob. Right. Correct. That's a hot story. It was a hot experience. It's very, very hard. And this is a prime example. This is one of those people that in no way should perform would I be attracted to. Right.

But wow, they're attracted to the situation. It was her energy. She was sexy. Sex isn't always like perfect looking or perfect body. You know what I mean? Sexy is sexy. Sometimes that comes from another place. You know, it's not just it's how you carry yourself.

It's how you move. It's that kind of stuff, you know. That's right. And it's that energy in the room. And to this day, and I'm still in touch with this person. I haven't seen her in probably a year or so. But in a given time, I could schedule an appointment. I presume that she's still.

still working but I could schedule an appointment and go there and for a while it became kind of more me working on her I mean I kind of get back into to letting her teach me to really teach me massage but she she pretty much whenever I was massaging her she okay yeah I find the shoulders just get to the good stuff right so you guys continued it with this wasn't a one-time deal I mean she wasn't the one of the ones that disappeared you kept going back and you guys would have this kind of a Did you ever fucker or did you always keep it to finger? Just, yeah, always manual. Yes.

Yeah. Always manual. Never fucked her. Okay. And that's, I never have. Uh-huh. So you're not a cheater. So you're not cheating in your own, in your world and the rules that you, listen, I think we make our own rules.

And we have our own morals. And we have our own morals and our say, and, you know, and you abide by those. And that's what you create. for yourself and that's the way you feel okay about what you do like you're not fucking her so you haven't cheated that is correct that is correct and and and before anyone says that I'm a between him a dirtball and I understand that before anyone wants to be too judgmental I'm also my one very open with my and I don't want to go down this path right at the moment but I'm very open with my wife I'm very

very very involved and and she gets to experience a lot of things as well so I It's not like she is this poor sheltered person that is kept in the closet. And while I go out and do these wild and crazy things. And you're not even doing them all the time anyway, right? Like, I mean, would you do this once a month or once every three months? Like, how many of these quote-unquote massages, non-cheating massages are you getting? I would say possibly. probably an average of once every two to three months.

Right. It would be my guess. The kicker is what it usually happen is it'll actually be six months since any, and I get no responses, and then I'll literally line up two or three, like two or three just go them out of the woodwork. I don't know if it's the way the moon's aligned. Yeah, it's like when it rains and pours. It's that way with everything.

It's a way even with my podcast when I put ads. Sometimes I won't get anything. Sometimes I get 10 people. It's totally that way. But let me ask you this. So you, like you say, like, you don't want to go down that path that your wife kind of knows and everything. But, like, you, you, or how long you've been with this wife?

How many years? Oh, a number of years, though. Eight, nine years? Eight, nine years. Yeah, I think it, like, let me ask you because I talk about cheating and monogamy a lot on this podcast, and that always is interesting to me because, like, you know, is it realistic to ask somebody to be with somebody for so long and then not sort of cheat? And there's different varieties of cheating as far as I'm concerned, you know?

And different levels of it, you know? And, you know, with these women that you're going off and doing these things, like, do you keep contact with them outside of the massage? Or is this just a sexual thing that you go and you have in that moment and then you leave and you go back to your life? Or are you texting them and emailing them and sending pictures and all that stuff? Or do you keep it, like, in that massage room? It is absolutely in the massage room.

And to that point that is very much of how I feel. I would feel more guilty if I was sitting here talking to you and we started talking, emailing, texting back and talking, everyone at the face. If we started sharing emotional things, I started telling you about my marriage and all of this outside of your show. Totally. But in a personal level, that to me is more cheating. To meet this and it's a justification, it can be a justification, but the reality is, I feel like you go in and get a massage. It makes your muscles feel good. It makes your body feel good.

You leave relaxed, right? We're saying just a straight-up massage. Yeah. To me, it's a matter of we society has put this damp on, no way. You can feel good everywhere except for your genitals. Right. And that's evil. That's a sin if you do your genitals.

And I call BS on that. That's bullshit. You feel good. You don't feel good. What have you. So that's truly how I feel. And my wife also knows. that if she wants her genitals massage by somebody or she wants to do the same,

I'm fine with that. I don't want her having this emotional connection. Yeah, that's how I feel. I honestly believe that. And I think what's, but there are a lot of men that cheat in the very different way. You know what I mean? They are having the text messaging and the other thing,

because not only do they need that chase of getting that person to cross the line, they need to get that person to like, like them. You know what I mean? like so I think and that's a totally fucked up guy you know and that person has issues I think the guy that's like doing it the way you are is more the normal guy I think a lot of those other guys that are doing all that other stuff they think oh I'm just a normal guy it's like no you're a little dysfunctional and you need something more that you're not getting and you should maybe work on that but a regular guy I think it's hard for a regular guy they're to wire different than women and they do have a sense of needing like variety and they can more so than women but it's not that women can't do this too is they can't really separate it. You know what I mean? Sex is sex. It doesn't mean anything. You know what I mean? As long as there isn't that emotional thing. So, you know, if you're just going out and getting a little variety every now and then, I do not think that that's bad. That cheating is the best kind of cheating, the most natural kind of cheating. Like, I don't feel sorry for your wife. You know what I mean? You're not,

you really love her. That's your relationship. That's your girl. That's where you live your life. And every now and then you just get, like you said, your dick jerked off. And it doesn't. And then you leave and you go home. Like who cares. It's not really a bad thing. You know, to me it would be way worse if you were having like, like if you were, even if it wasn't affairs, because I don't think Anthony Wiener was having affairs. He wasn't even meeting these people, but he's

like spending all his time like trying to get stupid people to like him. You know, like that to me is way worse than if you're getting a blowjob or whatever, you know, by someone that you're not really like you say emotionally involved with. I think that that's like the normal way of cheating that isn't so

bad. And I think that if that's what your guy's doing, it's okay. That's what I think. And I agree 100%. And quite honestly, I could, I promise you, I could have a few more women that I work with. The prime example is within the past month, I got another therapist.

They're always interesting when I get the therapist to reach out to me. A couple of those that I worked with, those were just therapists that I went and solicited for their regular business off their regular ads or what have you. The ones that reached out to me, and there's one that reached out to me here recently

and wanted to go down this path and get to know me before we do all of that. And I was just very upfront about my situation. And she said, you know what, I'm really not interested in. I don't want to, I don't want to pursue this any further. No, but that's good because you don't want to get it. Because listen, on the same level, there's these men that need that sort of extra thing

and they want to get someone to like them. There's women that are dysfunctional and need that same thing for men. You know what I mean? And they'll sort of give sex to get companionship. And they're doing the same shit. They're needy of that sort of fake relationship in their life. And those people could do business together. What you're doing business with is this people that are on the same level as you.

Maybe women that have something else going on as well and maybe they're bored of it. And they just want, you know, their pussy to be itched or whatever you want to call. You know, every now and then from something. But they're not looking for you to fulfill some sort of. sort of void in them emotionally or all this other stuff. And I think that you want to stay away from those other women that want to have a relationship. Absolutely. And if they are that way, it just ends right there.

Because I don't want to go down that path. I don't have the time for that. And when you said, you know, you're asking if I had ever been caught. And I know I haven't. And I don't because it is such a, it's a rare thing. And it's a very, I'm very, up. front with anyone that I work with and what my expectations are, what their expectations are. When I say that, granted, I don't always say to a total stranger they want a massage.

I don't say, hey, my expectation is to try and see them naked or what. No, but my expectation is to give you a massage and walk away from it. And the excitement is, will it just be a straight massage? Will it be fun? Where will it go? That becomes the excitement part of it. but I will never go a direction. They don't want to go.

I will never push a direction. They don't want to go. I don't care. I can move away. Right. You have, this is called boundaries. You have boundaries in your life. Right.

Absolutely. And I respect their boundaries. And, you know, we've got it from there. You know, the one that you mentioned a moment ago is about the one who wanted to learn about sporting and, you know, the soccer mom. That was very intriguing and one of the more interesting ones for me. And this person was a, I don't know, yoga instructor or something, she was a picket and spot. And she had reached out asking some questions and she really would appreciate being able to massage.

But you know, she's at home, could I come to her, what have you, living in a nice home. Husbands, always off on business and traveling, what have you. And I meet with her, very stunning, beautiful woman. Great body, because she's such a fitness yoga. person, like amazing body? Incredible body. Absolutely, yeah. But a perfect body.

And so I give her a massage. And we've kind of talked to the point on the front end. I mean, she had stated that, you know, she had no desire for it to be anything other than just a therapeutic massage. One quick question, quick question, because I've never asked you this. On a scale of one to ten, what are you, who are you, like, what do you rate yourself? Are you, like, a great looking god? Because, I mean, you're coming to all these women. I know women, if they don't know a man, like, they might be free.

freaked out if he's not that good looking. Like you must be sort of, right? Like, what are you on a scale of one to ten? Well, I mean, have you ever have you ever seen, let's say, Brad Pitt? Yeah. I look nothing like him whatsoever. If you would have said that you would have, I was going to be like, oh my God,

you're just a scam. You're a liar. No, no, no, in all sincerity, if you saw me from across the room on just an average day, you probably I would say it was probably a five to be perfectly blunt with you. If you get to know me and or if you've touched him on a really good day,

may speak to a seven. Once you get to know me, you'll know, you'll see me. So these women, you come over like that, you go over to that hot, hot soccer mom's place,

and you're a five and she like, is like, okay, let's do this. She's cool with that. Yeah, absolutely. And I'll tell you why.

And I think why it works is I'm not intimidating. and I'm not a player. I don't come across as I'm obviously to the point of doing this, but I don't come across and I'm, and I am very, I'm very genuine in,

in my communication and, and I think in my life, too. I'm just, they feel comfortable with you. If you're not a boundary pusher, you're not a boundary pusher,

you're a respectable guy, people could smell that from a mile away. So the women that really, aren't dysfunctional and aren't looking for it. Because listen, some women will smell that dysfunction about somebody and they'll like go for it. I was always a boundaryless woman and I was attracted to boundaryless men. Okay. And that's just the way that it is.

And, you know, so I think though if people are like, you know, they're, you know, pretty professional in the way they want to do their business and you show up and that's who you are and that's your intention, they're going to know that and they're going to trust you. It's that whole energy thing. I've talked about this on my podcast before. So you're not going in there like, I'm going to rape this girl. So she senses that and she trusts you. Right. And she settles in and she relaxes. And with this one, she would pay me literally, I think it was like $35.

She completely said that, you know, one of the reasons she reached out to me is she really couldn't afford. She didn't have her plain money to go and spend the 60 or whatever to go to the license therapist or the professional salon and what have you. And I know she was skeptical the first time. it was great wonderful massage she was also very comfortable i mean i've had the drapery and what have you to cover her professionally but she you know she she she is a draper as you need to her as you wish but i don't care i'm very comfortable with my body she had every right to be very comfortable with her body and if it was warm enough in the room i would just drop that and wouldn't have to mess with it and um i absolutely was so turned on by her um

her body and just enjoyed it. But a great conversation, what have you. It worked very very well. And going on to that, we started just during the sessions, I would tell her, she'd ask questions. Not unlike him, hey, tell me about similar massages. What are the crazy experiences? And I would tell her about the different things that were happening and go on.

I think a large lady had gone. She chuckled and laughed about it and what have you. but she started asking more questions about the central side of things. And finally, just one day just said, hey, would you be comfortable doing the central side? Would you mind trying to make me explore, whatever have you? Absolutely. I have no problem with that.

And I took it very, very slow. I've been working with her full out of the inner body a number of times. And I made her weight purposely. and to not just jump in and say, well, you know, I'm going to finger her or what have you. I really took themselves slow. I really spent time looking around her left thigh and up and getting real close. And then I would work over to the other leg and kind of teasing her. And then I would just start rubbing right in the crease right next to the ledge.

And I pretty soon just started working on rubber her lips on the outside. And I really stretched it out for a nice long period. and she's breathing heavy and her eyes are closed, and she's really starting to enjoy herself. And, you know, working on her, start rubbing on her clit and working towards finger, probably over the course of 10 minutes before my fingers ever even went inside of her whatsoever.

And by that time, I mean, she was ready, she was really ready to go and, her knees popped up. And, you know, with my other hand, I started grabbing her breast and kind of pinching. and she's breathing, going to town. And within no time, she started just coming like nobody's business and had an incredible experience. Did she score? She did lightly.

Yeah, she did. Okay. It wasn't like shooting across the room per se, but it was definitely it shot down the table a little way. and left a nice little puddle that we were able to have to clean up, started that thereafter. And we'd get done with that, and she's, as she was coming down, and I start walking on her again a little bit more, I'll flip over a little more time in her stomach,

and her neck and her back, and just help her ride down the wave. And until we were done, she goes, takes off in showers, where I put everything away and comes back out, and, you know, thanks me, pays me, and I take off. And I probably saw her at least three to five, maybe seven times after that. She was really the only one that was truly just a regular eye-only massaged her. I never received anything physical from her in any way, shape, or form. That's probably how she justified herself not cheating.

Right. And that one, that was the one and only time. And she was very open. She said, I just had to experience it. She was very sweet. Oh, my good God. No wonder, you know, your wife loves you to death, that that was unbelievable. If you were my husband, you would be doing that every day in the week for me.

Right. And unfortunately, maybe in the last six or eight months, or maybe a year ago, I'm not sure now, but the family, their husband, got a new job. They moved out of the area. So that ended. Yeah, which was no big deal. Of course. I enjoyed her

That was a very good experience I got to get her good massages And that was the only time I'd ever left Kind of going damn I wish I could have got more out of that But the rest of the times it was just finished straight forward And where are you at now So now you're still like married And like because this was only a year ago right

Like you still post your ads on Craig's list And get massages and do them every now and then And it's still like a great thing and you don't need to take it to another level, like it's still just, like, good for what it is. That's great. Yeah. I think it's...

Yep. I've got one scheduled for next week, and it's also fun and the excitement of I've never met this person. That's part of it. I do get very curious and want to try and find out about the person as best I can beforehand. Do they send pictures? Do you ever ask for pictures? Because that would be a little creepy if I'm getting a massage from a guy,

and he's like, could I see a picture? I'd be like, oh, no, no one. You never do, right? No, no, I never do. I never ask for pictures because it's not about that, and I don't want it to be about that. And I'm very upfront with that as well. Now, if they want a picture of me,

more for safety or what I do. Because, you know, that's the part I understand, too, is, you know, a woman's much more... Vulnerable to... To a man, absolutely, than a man to a woman. So she wants this, no, are you a fucking rapist, and you're going to... you know, to be alone with the guy she doesn't know.

And these women, let me ask you this, they're finding you on Craigslist, right? What section of Craigslist are you advertising your massages? I can't tell you that. Yes, you can. Nobody knows where the hell you are. No, this is what I want to know. Okay, you don't have to tell me specific because I'm not asking for that.

I'm asking for the reason we're like, you know, to me, like when you were talking about that lady a long time ago where you're like, she kept saying, no, I'm not, this is not sexual, blah, and then you winds up being really happy. My thought is like, come on. she found you on Craigslist in probably the casual encounter section. You know, so what the hell do you think she's looking for? I mean, come on.

You know, if you want a straight-up massage with no sex, that's not where you're looking. So it is kind of obvious that anybody that's fine, because that's where I'm assuming you're placing your ads. But maybe I'm wrong. You tell me. And that's a great question. In actual, I have a, at that particular one and at that particular time, and this was so long ago, Yeah. I'm not sure.

I don't recall if there was even a, I don't know if there is today, like a massage section. Right. But it was under services. Right. Okay. And whether there was a massage or therapeutic services or whatever, that's why I advertised. And that was before any therapists were getting mad at me. That was really before even therapists were advertising.

Oh, okay. So it wasn't like in the casual sexual sex part of Craigslist. That you are correct. Oh, okay. I thought because like, I mean, come on. If she's, you know, finding your ad there, she obviously knows it's going to be sexual, you know, but where do you advertise now? Is it in the sexual sort of category? Is it still in services, kind of?

You don't have to be specific. No, no, no. I don't, I don't, I don't, I stay out of services anymore because, like I say, I only attract therapists. You want to get upset with me on, on, on, on those purposes. So, no, I do, I go back and forth between, or sometimes, it's simultaneous between strictly platonic. and whatever you just said. No strings attached or whatever that is. Right, right, right, right.

So, yeah, so I'll post both. And I think that's smart, because if you're, like, literally, you're not a real, like, you're not, like, really looking just for therapeutic. You like it to be a little bit more than that. So I think it's, it would be a bait and switch to put your ad any place else, really. You know, so I think it's much more honest of you to put it in that category, because you both sort of then know, what you're both looking for and you don't have to like worry about that miscommunication,

which could be a little bit, you know, I think it's a little fucked up if I'm like a woman and I'm soliciting a man for a straight up massage, you know, on some place that's legit massage and then he thinks I'm going to be open to it if I'm not, you know? So I think it's much, I think it's better for you to put it in that category. Well, it is. And I say right at front in all of my hands that what I provide. provide can be as be tailored or

be specific for you and that it will be as clinical or straightforward or as central as you would like. And then they can ask questions as I wish ahead of time. Though I don't know that there's anyone that's ever said per se

you know, hey, will you finger me until I come? Of course that no one puts that. No one's that direct. No, no. Not what's But they know. Yes, they absolutely know. Right. And I typically have a pretty good idea as to whether or not it's going to be... Whether it's going to go there.

Yeah, or whether it's even a chance. Right. And like I said, if it's not going to go there, that's... You're fine. No problem with that. Absolutely very happy to do it. Although that's sometimes the pleasant surprise when I have no anticipation of that whatsoever, and it does go there, you know.

Right. That's been with a lot of these therapists. that is like, wow, that's really cool. But, you know, and I would have to stop and think through carefully. But, I know you would ask something about one person that I fuck her, and I don't think, I don't, I'm fairly certain that I haven't fucked anyone. It may have been that one time. I'm not sure.

Right. If you ever did. I don't think that can. Yeah. Well, whatever, even if you did one time. I mean, come on, even if you did one time, I'd give you a pass, please. You had so many other opportunities. And if you didn't, and normally, like, if you'd fuck once and you're into it and that's

where you want to go, you're going to fuck a million times afterwards. If you did it once and you never did it again, but who cares? You know, it doesn't really matter. I don't know. But it's so interesting to me that you found my podcast through my podcast and not really Craigslist, right? You didn't respond to an ad of mine on Craigslist, right? Correct.

But yet you are a, like, because normally I find people on Craigslist because I post my ads in the same section that you do. And I don't beat and switch anybody either. You know, I don't want to, I don't trick anybody into calling into my show. I put it on casual encounters and I say, hey, do you have a problem or you want to talk about a relationship or do you live a secret life and you want to be on my show and get it off your chest? Like, email me.

And so I get people that want to. I don't like, you know, I'm not tricking anybody into calling in, you know. But what's so interesting about you and where I got you from is like, you are a Craigslist person, but yet you didn't find me on Craigslist. You just found my podcast and then wrote in. and said, hey, I have some good stories. Exactly. And the only reason I even reached out to you at all is when you said Craigslist,

and I think it was when you said the Craigslist and saying that whether it was you or I know you had a co-host at one point of Tom or something that someone made, someone made the reference for it. They're not being many women on there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're like, no, no, that's all you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I think it's great.

I think it's great. I mean, I think your stories are great. I think a lot of, like, I think you live a lot of guys' fantasy life, I swear to you. I really believe a lot of guys probably, like, would love to do what you do, but they just don't, A, maybe have the time to put it all together and do it. B, maybe they don't want, you know, whatever. But, like, I think that, you know, a lot of guys will, you know, live vicariously through your stories. Right.

They're very. Well, and I can tell you and maybe pass along the torch to some men out there. that a good number of the women that I've worked with have said that they've tried this with other men, and they've responded to other ads, especially over the last five to ten years, which has become much more common. And their experiences are horrible, they're shit. And so, you know, if I could give anyone advice, if you want to try and lure, or if you want to try and seduce a woman through the use.

of massage, learn how to give a massage and do it the right way and go get many of massages yourself. If you are trying to grab the goods within the first 20 or 30 minutes of the massage, you're not doing it the right way and it's going to come across that way. So if you really want to give massage and you have the potential of it just slipping into something more sensual, give them a real massage. and women the same way because there's women out there doing the flip side and I've been with some of the women that I've found or will come across. They're trying to do it, do the same thing from the other side for a lot more money because they're women and more men are available to pay more money to it. But again, if you're going to advertise massage, I want to have to give a damn massage.

Right, exactly, right. Give the good massage and the happy ending. But I think it comes down to what we said before. Like you could fake it all of that shit and do all that shit. You're like a boundary list sort of perverted, really dirty dude that is just looking for sex. And you're like, okay, I'll just figure out how to massage and do all this thing because this guy told me I should do that. And I'll just do that. And then I get what I want.

Women are going to smell that from a mile away. It's like I just, you know, you just have to be like your kind of person to do it your kind of way. Whether, you know what I'm saying? Like, because I really think that people pick up on things. Not to say that there aren't women out there that don't want it a little bit more dirty than you give it. And a little bit more boundaryless than you sort of do it. You know, and those people will find each other. But if, you know, I think, you know, if someone's like you and they don't really want to cross lines and they want to like live it out or whatever, you know, they follow your way of doing things.

But I think it's a very specific thing in that because it's not, you're not just, your, your actions are in line with who you are as a person, you know, and those things are congruent. And that's why, you know, women feel okay with you because it's not like something's like weird there, you know. to me, it's like if you're like a letcherous person or somebody that's like a little bit different, yet your actions seem so like normal, you know, you pick up on that disconnect. Do you know what I mean? Sure. So I think, you know, it has to be on the same page. If someone's a little bit dirtier than you, then they should just do it at dirtier. Like, I don't know, just like be who you are, you know, and you'll find your people, you know? Because I think that people come in all different ways. You know, you're this way and these are where your boundaries and your rules are.

And other people have different boundaries and rules. And I feel like as long as you're following what you feel okay with and you're like that's fine you who no one's to judge people you know it's like you make up your own rules and stuff so and you know but I think if you're true to that you find other people that you know are the same way and that's a good thing and that's the way it should be you know absolutely you're not fooling anybody so that's it so thanks so much for calling I mean typically you don't have my calls any longer than an hour this is an hour in 14 minutes because there was just so much information and I know you had even more I'm like we should do a part too so if you ever want and call back in and, you know, give some more stories.

I'm sure people would love to hear them. Like, maybe we'll just do, like, you know, because I have repeat callers. So if you ever want to call in again in the future and give some more detailed stories about some hot things that went on, I'd love to have you back on. Sounds great. I appreciate it. Yep. Anything you studying happens, I will let you know.

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