Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 077 - RM has Been a Swinger in the US and in Europe

Episode Date: June 8, 2015

RM has been involved in "the Lifestyle" for as long as he can remember and he has had a ton of experiences in both Europe and America. He calls in to talk about his sexual experiences as well as discuss the differences him and his wife encountered while swinging in both countries. How did he get into the Lifestyle. Does he find Europeans more sexually open than Americans? Does he still swing now? Tune in to find out. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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He wrote in just to tell me that he loved the show and he liked how I talked about how America is so prude a lot and how open-minded, how people in Europe are much more open-minded about sex and how we're so uptight here. Because he has lived half his life here in America and half his life in Europe. And he definitely notices the difference and has lived the difference. Like, I mean, he was a swinger with one of his wives.

And he's done that here too and there. But he finds that here, like, you know, even the people that are doing it, they're doing it like behind closed doors or people who are really not really talking about it. And we go into all of that. I mean, he just rode in to tell me about that stuff. but then when I found out he had such an interesting background, I'm like, do you want to be on the show? And he's like, okay.

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And they're on my website. And they're kind of funny, but they're very true. And if you want to check them out, they're on my website called Kathy Kay. My website is KathyK-K-K-H-K-H-I-K-A-Y.com. That's like a dead website that I started a while ago for my book. But there's a bio on there. If you want to know anything about me, every single thing about me is in my bio. There is a chapter of my book.

You could read if you don't want to buy the whole book. Read the one chapter. It's really fucking funny. It's a chapter that's not in the book. It's a true story and it's hilarious. And then there's these horoscopes that I wrote on the blog. If you go to the blog page, I fucking hate blogs, but I had to put one on there. I think I maybe did like three entries.

And one is the horoscopes that I wrote. So check it out if you want to know about yourself or somebody else. But the thing that I was going to talk about astrologically, that's going on right now. It's something called Mercury Retrogate that I just found out about a couple of years ago. And it really is a thing that happens. And it happens a couple times a year. And when it happens, things get really fucked up. travel gets fucked up

electronics get fucked up relationships get fucked up and it's really true I once when I found it out about Mercury Retrograde it was like after I had dated a guy for about a year and when I looked back at the year and I looked back at each time we got in a fight and broke up before we got back together

it was always during Mercury retrograde that's just what happens and that's happening now Mercury Retrograde is happening now and it's fucked up like three of my podcasts that one podcast I had where I lost 10 minutes of one of the podcast another one I taped 20 minutes of a podcast and then realize I wasn't taping it so the poor guy had to retape with me.

And then this one, I'm talking to the guy and my memory card goes full. And then I couldn't fix it and I didn't have another one and I had to tape the 10 minutes ending like another time. And this is the, so I just want to give a big shout out and fuck you to Mercury Retrogate. So fuck off Mercury Retrogate. I'm so glad you're going to be over soon. And if you don't know what it is, look it up or be warned or figure out what it's going to be or look back and see it or and really like I swear to you it exists and it's terrible and

and so that's that so anyway so that was all I want to say fuck you marker retrogate and I'll be right back with RM to talk to him about all of his sexual experiences both in America and in Europe so um you know we went back and forth with emails you actually like I'm just going to explain to the listeners what the deal is like you actually wrote in your listener of the podcast just to sort of like say that like the podcast and, you know, talk about how, like, because I talk a lot about how there's a big difference between, you know, people, people's views about sex in Europe compared to America and how we're so prude here. And you're actually someone who lived half your life in Europe,

half your life here. So you really know that difference. And you were saying I was right on the money. And you went into some really interesting things about your life and what you did when you were in Europe. Like, you were a swinger. You talked about the nude beaches and being watched and being, like watching other people, being watched. Like a lot of stuff.

Like you said a lot of stuff in the emails that I, and I was like, hey, you want to call in and explain all that stuff? Because to me it's really interesting, you know, especially because you have both sides of it, right? It's not like you only live there and you have an idea of how we are here and you have an opinion. You like, you've lived in both places. So you really know. So, you know, why don't you just start explaining like you did in the email to me, like what you experience in Europe when, you know, growing up or like how the, you know, and how sexuality is different there? Sure. I spent about half my life in Europe, half my life in the U.S., and both as an adult and as a child. And grew up in a fairly liberal environment, you know, parents from the 60s, that sort of thing.

And Europe especially is so much different than the U.S. is in very basic terms. when we talk about being liberal. A really good example is television. You know, they show R-rated movies uncut and primetime channels. And so, you know, you don't have to get pay-per-view to see nudity. Oh, I didn't even know that. Right. And can they curse as well?

Like, is it like language? Like, do they have that whole sort of thing like we have here, too? Yeah, no, it's 100% in its entirety. It's an uncut movie. And, you know, Italy, if you go down to Italy from midnight to 6 a.m., they show soft porn on public television. And, you know, it's a gap in between time, but still it's, you don't have to have cable to have it. Right. It's on network TV, you're saying, right? Yes, it's on network TV.

And even the commercials there, one of the probably most popular commercial, for years was a Downey Fabric Soffner commercial that shows this Italian stud muffin wearing this plush, plush bathrobe walking down to the end of a pier. He drops the bathrobe and you get this butt shot and he jumps in the water. Right. And obviously, you know, housewives love the butt shop. Right, totally. But that wasn't here in America. That's in Europe, you're saying, right?

That's in Europe. Right, right. Yeah, we would never show that here. No, you wouldn't. Here, everything seems so much more puritanical, yet under the covers it's not. I lived in the Midwest and in a larger city, and it was funny.

My wife and I at the time were laughing because while we were swingers and didn't advertise it and were very discreet due to my career. Everybody we ran into was a, it seemed to be a swinger. So we had tons of people that we met just at random that were part of the lifestyle. Yet, you would never know anything about them. Right, exactly. I mean, that's why I do the show, because there's not.

that's what I always say. Like you could be sitting next to these people out of the restaurants or you're you know, you know, at a family function and you're related to them and you don't know what most people, a lot of people, not most people, but a lot of people are doing behind closed doors, you know, sexually speaking, because people aren't allowed to talk about it. It's not like you say. It's not like they're not doing it. They're just pretending that they don't. I mean, you know what I'm saying? It's like people are out there doing stuff that they do in Europe or like, you know, but it's just that they can't talk about it because people are so judgmental so they keep it under wraps. So, well, Let me just, though, go like a little bit into your history.

So your wife who you met, who you were swinging with, did you meet her in Europe and then you guys moved here together? Was she American? No, no. She was European. Right. And, you know, we were together for over 10 years. Mm-hmm. And I won't get into why we got divorced, but it had absolutely nothing to do with sex or something or anything like that.

Right, right, right. Were you guys swingers from the start? Like, how did that come about in your relationship? Yeah, I started early in life, when you're going to call it early, in my early 20s. The first person that I was truly in love with turned out to also be very into women. She was totally bisexual, the first woman you were with, or like you felt right. Yeah, she was self-admitted bisexual. And I didn't know it when we were first together,

and it sort of came out during the relationship. And I was like, okay, well, what does that mean for us? Right. Well, for her, it meant, you know, I'd like to. It was one of these things where her opinion on it was, well, I only want women for sex. I don't want women for a relationship. They're too high maintenance.

They're, you know, fun to go do something with every time, but I want to wake up to a man. Right. And so I was like, okay, you know, so go out and have your fun every now and then and do your thing, and it is what it is. And, you know. And you were okay with that. Right.

Yeah, and it progressed for my birthday. She decided she'd like to do something nice for me, So she brought home another woman for a threesome. And also a lot of the women that she booked up with for sex were married. And it sort of progressed into trading and swapping and everything. So she was fine with you screwing these other women. It wasn't like, because, you know, I get some callers who, like, you know, there's rules. You know, everyone has different rules and regulations in that kind of scenario, right?

And sometimes the woman is like, oh, you know, I don't want you to fuck that other woman. you know, but I could go. Yeah, yeah. She was. And she was okay with that, right? Yeah, she was all right with that. She was very, and funny thing is she was American. So she was, you know, totally cool with that.

Oh, this was American girl. I was thinking your wife. You said she wasn't. That was your wife. This was a girlfriend, right. That wasn't my wife. Yeah, that was the girlfriend. And so, you know, after a while, we were young and we drifted apart.

And life, you know, took different turns for both of us. Mm-hmm. And eventually, I met my wife, and I'd still been in the lifestyle on and off back then in Europe. Right. And we talked about it. You know, I didn't hide anything from her. And initially it was, well, would I ever be enough for you? And I said, yeah, you know, I love you.

And, you know, that's, I've had my fun. Right. Unlike other guys, you know, I'll never sit there and be like, oh, I wish I had this. or I wish I had a redhead or I wish I had a woman with big heads because I had it. Right, or three-sum or right, anything, right, been there, done that. Yeah. So, you know, she was like, okay, and as our relationship progressed, she kept asking me more questions. Well, what's this like or what's that like?

I was like, you know, I can explain it to you, but you're not going to know unless you actually try it. Right, totally. And she You know Being European She was somewhat liberal She wasn't too much mental about it She just

You know It was kind of like Yeah All right So she tried it And ended up taking to it Like a depth of water And when you say tried it

Like what was your first experience with her Like did you guys just pick up another woman Or did you go to a swing club Like what was that first thing That you guys tried together When you crossed the line Well our first thing was We went to

a swing club. And European swing clubs are a little different than here. In what way? Well, I think people actually go to have sex. Number one, they're not just there to watch. And it's a little bit more up front. You walk up to somebody you talk to them. Right.

Well, you talk to them for a little while and then, you know, the quick question that usually comes out is you like to go to one of the private rooms or public rooms or something and go play. And you get it on, right? Yeah, there's not a little, yeah, there's not this, I don't know, I think in American swing clubs there's

more banter. Right, because you've been to both. You've been to both, right? You've experienced it. Yeah, let me ask you this real quick because I've had this conversation with other callers. I don't know if you've heard the episodes where some people are going to swing clubs and like their wife can't find a good looking guy. And I'm always like, oh, come to New York because maybe you'll

get better looking in the swing. You know, better looking people. Like, is there also a difference in like the sort of the type, like the type of person or the looks of the people that go in Europe? Since people are more open-minded, you get, like, hotter people there compared to the people in America or no difference? It depends on the club. Right. And, you know, to some extent the country. It's sort of like a nude beach.

Sometimes people say, you know, the people that should never be on a new beach. beach are usually the ones you see. Right. Yeah, you go to other nude beaches and some of the people are really damn hot. Right. And so I think it just boils down to where you are. Right. And also, what do you find attractive?

Right, but also better looking people tend to like sort of populate in certain areas, like whether it's a city, you know what I mean, like places. So if you go outside of those areas, you're just going to get more average people, a regular looking people. Right? Maybe because that's what I tell people. You want a hotter people. Come to New York City.

I'm sure there's people in New York City swinger clubs are better looking than the ones in the middle of nowhere. Just but people in New York are better looking than people in the middle of nowhere to begin with. I think it's just you have better volume. Mm-hmm. Right. Maybe. Uh-huh. Yeah, absolutely.

So you have more to pick from. Right. But you do have better looking people in certain areas compared to others as well. Oh, yeah. That's a whole other conversation. Well, there is some of that, yes. And it's also depending on, you know, what do you find attractive? Exactly.

You know, I'm in the tall blonde. So northern Germany and Holland and Sweden and Norway are lovely for me. Right. There's no shortage of that. Right, exactly. I mean, I went to the only new, the only new beach I went to is in New Jersey with one of my boyfriends. When I was like in my early 20s, he was into it. he brought me along.

And that was my first experience. And we went every weekend for that one summer that we were together. And because it was a jersey, like, I found that, like, I didn't see, it was maybe, like, one out of every 30 was hot. Like, it was just regular people sort of walking around naked, you know? And I found it interesting because I'm very curious. And so for me, it was, like, so much more interesting to see, like, regular people naked because like I was like you know anyone could see like everyone knows what a hot person looks like naked right because like you have porn and you you know what I never knew what like a really overweight person looked like totally naked or a really old old man naked like I found that kind of stuff interesting but that was just like you know the curious side of me I thought it was there was definitely a turn on in the for the fact that like you're you know the exhibitionist in you right I think everyone has a little bit in that you know in themselves so it was like hot to just be naked like and but but but

public in front of people. But yeah, it wasn't like so many good-looking people, but you had a couple, you know, just like anything else. If you go into a bar, you know, same sort of ratio, like you said. Anyway, so you guys, what was your first experience we got

so off topic? What was the first experience between you and her? You took her to a swingers club, right? Yeah, we went to a swingers club, and we met another couple. At first, we had problems, you know, finding an attraction to anybody in the clubs.

Okay. And, you know, she was nervous, but also, you know, she was a very good-looking woman, and most guys were average, below-average, and then a gentleman walked in that, you know, was very distinguished-looking. His wife was exceedingly attractive. he looked like somebody that you know

could be a movie star or something but older you know that grain temple kind of look and um he we talked and he was friendly

and she was friendly and we decided to go to one of the kind of nooked out of the way areas and he was very good at what he did and my wife enjoyed

the crap out of it. And so it was okay. And for you, you enjoy it. Yeah. Probably we gathered an audience of about 10 to 15, 20 people just watching. Right.

Because she just kind of went into the whole moment of it, if you want to call it, and really got off on it. Right. How old were you guys at that point in your relationship? Like you guys are already married? and stuff. How old were you? We were ready. We were already married. We were in our early

30. Okay, cool. Uh-huh. And so, you know, it was a nice experience, and we went home and we talked about it, and nothing else happened for a while. And then I had friends of mine that were also in the lifestyle that came to visit for a weekend, and

And we had a hot tub, and we were all sitting in the hot tub. And the next thing I know, he was sitting there with his wife and kind of make it out a little bit. And my wife got up and walked over to him and said, hey, do you need a hand to her? And she said, oh, please. Right. And from that moment on, I guess it was. Open season, like a free-for. Right.

Yeah, but it was a more regular. But it was a more regular thing in our life. You know, it didn't happen every week, but probably, you know, once every month or two, we'd find somebody or do something or, you know, that sort of thing. Right. And besides the, like, the Swingers Club, did you have a lot of friends that were in the lifestyle that you knew before you were with your wife? I'm assuming that's where these friends were from.

Or did you, like, did you ever do what people do now as, like, post ads online and go looking in sort of forums like that? Or did you guys strictly, like, did you already know people or meet people at the Swingers Club? Well, that was pre-internet. So a lot of the websites that we had today didn't exist. I mean, you could do it through a magazine or something. But there were clubs and places and things and ways to meet people. You know, we met people at Nude Beach sometimes.

Oh, yeah, totally. We got hit up all the time at the Nude Beach. Everyone was very into, like, it was a whole, like, I've talked about this. It was like a whole nudie community. Like they did nudie boat rides and nudie parties. You know, it was like a lot of people were really hardcore. Yeah. You know, it was a whole lifestyle.

Yeah, I can remember we were in Nekino's Greece and sitting on the beach there. And we got hit on by the couple to the right of us and to the left of it. Really? And which one did you screw both of them? Actually, neither. Really? How come? Yeah, we were just on vacation.

and we had things we wanted to see and things we wanted to do. And it just, you know, wasn't one of the things that was on our list. We eventually did meet a couple while there that we did partner up with. A very nice lady from Lichtenstein. Right. And her husband? Or her boyfriend? And her husband.

But that was a strange one, too, because her. husband just sat back and watched. I was just going to ask you, you know, what you, like, what you do? I know, like, your girls that you've been with, the women you've been with, have been bisexual, right? So I'm assuming they're getting on with the women. They're getting on with the men. What about you?

Like, how far do you go? Have you, I mean, do you just play with the women? Do you, are you bisexual at all yourself, or what's your deal? No, I'm not bisexual. I'm not homophobic, but, you know, I just don't. anything out of it. Right. Had one experience where we were swimming with a couple, and I was going down on her, and I thought my girlfriend was going down on me at the time, and it turned out to be him.

But, you know, what am I going to do? Get up and pound it? No, you know, it felt good at the time. Right, uh-huh. Yeah, I mean, like, that's what's so interesting, like, you know, because... And the funny part was, she was down there watching the whole time. So, every time I looked up, all I could see was her head, so I kept thinking it was her. So, right? So you just went there in your mind because, like, you have, like, I mean, her mouth, his mouth, it's the same thing, it's a mouth, right? So you were just... Yeah, you know, it's... Right, so in your head, you put it that it was a woman and it was okay with you, and you came from that place up.

Yeah, you know, it's... You get four people in a bed. Uh-huh. You're going to get touched by another guy. Right, exactly. If you're that homophobic. Yeah. If you're that homophobic, you shouldn't be doing it to start with.

Exactly. But you're totally not by at all. I mean, if you were, you would be doing it, right. You know, I just don't, I'm not physically attracted to another guy. Uh-huh. And I have had a lot of gay friends. Uh-huh. What about trannies?

What about a really hot woman with like a dick? A tranny. Have you ever gone there? I've never done it. I've never run into a really hot tranny. I guess that may be the bigger thing. I've known guys that cross dress. Right.

But that's not a trainee. Right. So, you know. What's the difference? What are guys that are trannies? Like they have like the, they've, they have the surgery. Like, I always think, like, a tranny and a cross-dresser could be the same thing or could not.

Because a lot of trannies have, they don't cut their dicks off. Like, they still have a dick, but maybe they have breast implants. No, no, they still have their genitals. But in most cases, they've started to do things to cross over into being a woman. Right, like hormones and stuff. shots or, you know, breath implants or other sort of stuff. There's a guy. There's one, you know, I started doing a podcast with I'm friends with Robert Kelly, who's

like a big comedian who has a network, a podcast network, and he's got a lot of podcasts, and he hosts one on his network called it's Bailey Jay. That's, he's a tranny, she's a tranny. And she's really beautiful. I was at a party this weekend with Dr. Guy. I don't know if you listen to his message. I mean, his episode, Dr. Guy is a total womanizer. We went to Robert Kelly's party and Bailey Jay the Tranny was there and she's like so hot.

My guy was like just drooling over the whole time. So funny, but I mean, she looked really great. She's just like a really attractive girl, but she's a guy, but she just happens to be like, you know, as a woman, she happens to be very sexy looking just the way her features are, you know? Plus she has like big breast implants and she's cute, you know? Well, I used to laugh. Some of the friends that I had that were gay. and with cross-dress,

that times looked better than some of the women I did. Yeah, I was a little pissed because it was a massive rainstorm and I'm at this party and I look like shit and this guy looks better than me as a woman.

Do you know what I mean? Like, I have to worry that my guy's checking her out because she looks better than I do at this point, you know? So yeah, that could happen. A lot of these trainers are really beautiful.

You know, because listen, think about a lot of women that are really beautiful. Like they have masculine faces because they have really great bone structure, you know, some of like the top models, like, would be very handsome men, you know? They have that really, like, sort of androgynous look. So you put some makeup on some, like, handsome men, you know, and they would make really beautiful women.

Just the way that it goes. I don't doubt it. I say, never say never. I've just not personally. Right. You're not by at all. But you said, like, you've done really, like, everything. And with your wife, you guys, I mean, when you say your parents were pretty open-minded or,

Like, were they in the lifestyle and that where you learned it? Like, how did you get, like, you said you've always been in it? No, no. They weren't. They've been married for probably 100 years. But how did you start to get into it as a, like, when you were younger? Because you said you were into it before you met that girl who was by, right? You were already a part of the lifestyle. No, no, I was in my early 20s when I met the girl that was by.

She's the one that really got me into the lifestyle. Oh, okay. So it was when your wife, you were. Right. So she got you into it. Yeah, I think that that's great. I think though that, and so after your wife, you're not married now, right? Like, what's your deal now? Are you dating anybody? Yes. And she's not in the lifestyle. Uh-huh. I guess good term would be a sort of faded in and out of the lifestyle over the years. and, you know, I'm in my 50s now. And got to have been there done that t-shirt.

Yeah. You know, so for me, it's not something that I'm missing greatly. And, you know, I'm still, I think, in pretty damn good shape for, you know, in my 50s. and have had the opportunity to, you know, go out with much younger women and that sort of thing. And at the same time, I just prefer quality over quantity now. Uh-huh. And it's, for me, it's more about connecting with somebody at a more metaphysical level than just sex. I mean, you know, sex is fun.

It's really great. And luckily, I've got a partner that never says no and is very creative. How long have you guys been dating? She says about five years. And with her, it's just a matter of person geographic issues and other things. But functionally speaking, she's a wonderful woman. and does she satisfy you?

Are you monomamous? Yeah. Oh yeah. Uh-huh. That's great. I'm shy of doing multiple people. She'll, she's up for anything I want to cry.

So, you know. Right. That's great. I think isn't there something like relaxing about being in the place that you're at and like, you know, compared to like,

like, because like you say you've like been there, done that. It's not like you're like older and you just can't like get it up anymore or you can't get, what you want anymore and you're just home jerking off or wishing that you had all these experiences. I mean like you've really been there, done that. You've had everything.

You've had so much sex. You were in open marriages that were successful. So it must be kind of relaxing to be a little bit older and be, you know, get to be a little bit more picky or just look for other things in life, right? Instead of being so sort of, you know, focused on sex and chasing tail and getting more women and, you know, being frustrated because you're not doing what you want. Yeah. You know, and I

think for me a lot of the experiences because it was Europe weren't chasing tail they just happened my my wife and I one time were Germany's got nude public pools like the regular pools the family pools right yeah like a municipal pool like a family pool right either one night a week will be nude or they've got some pools that are nude every night of the week. And so, you know, we're at this really large public pool. Mm-hmm. And there's a area to swim out from the inside to the outside where you're under the stars.

Right. And it makes this huge, like, clover leaf pattern. Mm-hmm. So it was middle of summer. We swam out. We're under the stars. It's like 11.30 at night. And this other couple, you know, swims out.

They come up next to us, and we were just kind of sitting there on this little wall when the woman reaches over and starts jacking me off. Now, we hadn't said two words to each other. Oh, my God. And I looked over at her, and she says, oh, I'm sorry, I must have gotten the wrong cock. I mean, were you in your heart? I was getting there. Right, right. Interesting.

And my wife, who takes everything in stride, just looks over at her and says, that's all right. It happens to them all the time just finished. And she goes right back to jacking me off. Interesting. Like, that is so different. I mean, that might happen here in a gay club with a man to another man. But, like, you know, that would be really hard to find in America, I feel like. I mean, first of all, she's very ballsy because, like, what if your wife freaked out?

but I'm assuming because it's Europe that that people just assume that that's okay like I mean and something like that could happen. I think people feel other people out. Right. We were laying, you know, sitting there on the edge of the thing. We're kind of holding each other and being romantic. Right.

You know, she came over and was kind of, you know, staying there and we smiled and they smiled and next thing you know, okay. I don't know, not like it happens like that all the time. Right, exactly. of that pool 150 times, 200 times, and, you know, that never happened before. But, you know, you did see people do things like that. You know, I probably one out of two times that I went to a nude beach, somebody was having sex someplace.

Right, of course. Be my guy had sex on the beach someplace. We found a place. But did you, I mean, recently it was like horrifying that there was a couple that had sex on a beach recently. they got busted. Do you hear about that? And they're like being put in jail for many years. I mean, it's like crazy, like crazy. You know, I mean, these were consenting adults having sex with each other, you know?

And they're getting put in jail. Like, it's like kind of insane. Maybe there's facts about it that I don't know, you know, but it's so like crazy. But like that would not happen in Germany, right? Yeah. People would be put in jail for that. I mean, like, that's like really ridiculous. But when you get here and you've been here.

here. You mean people that are doing all that stuff, right? Like you said, but they're like cheating and they're like hiding it, but like when you sort of would open up to people, is that when they'd admit it to you? Yeah. You know, my, especially at the time that we were living in the Midwest, my wife was not as Americanized as I was. It was her first time here and stuff. And so when we first moved as we were building a house, we were renting. And she actually asked her landlord, is that right if a sunbat pop was in the backyard? Right. And he's like, yeah, no problem at all.

You know, they lived right next door. Right. And his wife is like, what? I'm just going to say, what about his wife? And, you know, you just run into things like that. Exactly. You know, we were on the West Coast, and we were out hiking in one of the national parks. Uh-huh.

And we get up to a meadow, and there's a couple that was laying on a blanket and taking some raised nude and, you know, enjoying them. a little bit. And it was funny, all these hikers who are coming by and they're taking pictures or they're... Like secretively, you mean? Yeah, you know, like on their cell phones and stuff and ooh and ah and we're like, that's the deal. Right, exactly. But, you know, you got all these people that acted like they've never seen a new person before. They haven't. And probably they most of them haven't. Yeah, but they haven't. That's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the, a fact. Like most people

have not. I mean, you know, they just, they don't. I think that it's just the way that it, that it is in America. I mean, I know I have Swedish friends. I live in New York, so I have friends from all over the world, you know, and I know my Swedish friends are like, they went nude sunbathing with their families their whole life. You know what I mean? Everyone was naked.

Like, that's just normal there, you know? It's so different. Even like marriage is different. Like, I've talked about this. Like, they have those living apart together marriages and Holland, right? Like, they call them Latte relationships or whatever. You know, a lot of things are set up very different. And I think that they're set up in a way that it works a lot better than it does here.

You know, I mean, I don't think that we, you know, we think we're so sort of progressive in so many ways ahead and above everybody else in the world. Yet I think that we're so behind in certain ways. You know, I think, you know, in Europe I hear, I mean, because we talk about cheating a lot on my podcast and stuff. And I know in Europe it's very common for men to have like a mistress, right? or another lover, or they're doing what you guys do, and there is no need for that. I mean, you never had to have misdresses, or there was never sort of an issue for you, whether you were monogamous or not, because you could do, you were able to be with other people and have variety that you might have craved if you were in a monogamous relationship with one person your whole life.

Yeah, I think when people cheat, it's for a host of different reasons. Totally. It was an article I read once that said, men in women, women only cheat when they're happy in a relationship. Oh, really? They don't cheat when they're unhappy because when they're unhappy, they're so focused on getting out of the relationship or what they need to do to fix it that they don't. And so, you know, it's kind of this dichotomy, if you will, if you're really happy with somebody,

well, why do you cheat on it? Well, you know, you're happy and you feel safe and severe, so, you know, you want something that is exciting. Yeah, just a little variety. Yeah, I think with a lot of people when they cheat, it's because at work or through other means, the Internet or whatever, they run into people that fill a need that their mate no longer does. Right, exactly. So you're married for 10 years, your husband is taking you for granted. He doesn't bring you flowers or he doesn't talk to you or compliment you or do other things anymore. And life is very normal, for lack of a better term.

You know, you get into this groove, but you're not on best behavior anymore. Right, exactly. And so at work, you get this work husband or this work wife, and they're on a different behavior. You're complimenting each other. You know, you're flirting and it's exciting. You think you got to take it and roll in the hay a little bit to fulfill, you know, some other part of you that is doing that. No, when you've been with your partners, because you were married, you know, for however many years, how long have you been divorced for and single or just separated?

A bunch now. We were married in, I'll say, 15 years. And so in your relationship... So in your relationship since, I know you're dating somebody now for five years, but were there people before that? Like, is it very easy for you now since your wife to be monogamous because you've had so much? Or have you had most of your partners besides this one be open to you being with other people? No, actually about half my partners have been in the lifestyle and half my partners haven't.

I don't look at people from that perspective. Right. I don't know. Maybe that's European in me. It's kind of like going to Asana in Germany or Norway or Sweden or Holland. It's nude and it's co-ed. Right. So you walk in.

Yeah. And so, you know, sometimes they'll have separate male and female days or times. But generally speaking, in 90% of time, it's co-ed. Right. And you don't think anything of it. You just drop your towel on to the – and you're not wearing bathing suits like in the U.S. It's nude. Right, like really new.

Not even like a G-string bottom for the woman, right? Like they're very nude. Yeah, nothing. Nothing. I've turned around and had pussy right smack in my face. Right. But they don't think anything of it. They think it's humorous and unsanitary that Americans wear clothing into the zone.

Right, really? You're sweating all the time. How's your body going to breathe and defoliate, you know, all this? Yeah, the nudity is, oh, no biggie. Right, exactly. And they were raised that way. I mean, it's like in their family, too. I mean, it's not like, oh, you become an adult and you start taking your clothes off. I mean, like, this is just like the way people are raised, right? Yeah, and it's starting to change a little bit. Really? I don't know if it's through movies or the Internet or whatever, but I saw a report. I was back in Europe here a couple months ago.

that the younger generation in the European countries are now a lot less accepting of nudity and not into the whole nude beach thing and stuff like the older generation was. That's interesting. I wonder why it's changing and like, you know, how that will affect them. I mean, listen, things are changing here for younger generations are very different. But, like, I mean, what is the deal with marriage and, like, relationships, like, in Europe compared to here? Like, do they tend to last longer? Is the rate of divorce, like, as high as it is here?

Or do people have better relationships? Do you feel there because of all the stuff that we've talked about that people are open to? Or do they still have sort of the same issues? It's about the same. I've got a lot of European friends, and one of the things that I've heard a lot from men in their 40s and 50s is that European women have really changed. They become much more Americanized. You know, they want a life in a career, and they don't want to take it and be a traditional life like. the 50s was.

And Europe is very homogenous. Women, you know, are so expected to get dinner on the table and do the bulk of the housework and all this sort of stuff. And, you know, European women, like American women, will want a more balanced life. And there's, I don't think anything wrong with that. Right. But at the same time, so now the European men are looking at Eastern black women because to them they're more traditional. Oh, you mean like the Russians and everything? Yeah, like Russians or remaining ends.

Right. Right. Because they're still traditional. They'll be right behind the Europeans changing eventually too when those women. Yeah, they will. Yeah. And but for now at least, you know, it's. They're still in that mode.

Right. And I think, you know, I'm just going through it in my mind. Mm-hmm. Of the men that I know that have more traditional wives in their relationship, tend to probably be less divorced. Right. And what about your wife? Was she very traditional?

Like, what was your deal with her? Oh, God, no. We don't need to. Oh, she wasn't. Right. Now, she was somebody from a very privileged lifestyle that I took it and perpetuated. How's that? Right, because you make a lot of money.

You're very successful, I think you're, right? Like, is that your deal too as well? So that's why you're saying you're perpetuated? Well, I'm comfortable. Right, uh-huh. And so, you know, for her, you know, one of her big challenges or problems was self-worth. And my thing is always, well, you know, it's really hard to measure self-worth when you're doing it by how much shopping you're doing in a week. Right.

You know. Right. So I think people need something that gives them value as an individual. totally uh-huh for some people for some people it's work for some people it's you know doing something for charity or causes or something for others it's you know family children do you guys have do you have children with your ex-wife no right okay yeah for sure people need something that is fulfilling for them or that's what i think sometimes like you know some people that are running around when sex is like an addiction,

because I do believe that there is sex addiction, you know, is, you know, they're trying to fill a void, you know, and sometimes that's what it's about. But,

you know, in your case, and what we're talking about, it's just sex for sex. And it's sex as a, like, a positive, okay thing.

And I think it's great in Europe that, like, women, like, I mean, because look, you, like,

were with your wife, you saw her fucking other guys, other women, and like, you didn't change your feelings about her. I think a lot of women, unfortunately, especially here, you know, there's that whole slut thing.

You know, you're a whore. And I think sometimes, you know, women would never think to do something like that, even if they secretly fantasize about it, or maybe they never did, but if they were in the position, they would maybe like it. How do they even know? Because they would never even go there in their mind because they would feel that men or their man would totally look down on them. You know what I mean? There's this whole thing like, oh, you know, women aren't supposed to like sex.

Like it's a weird thing put on women, especially here in America. It's like, you know, yet the guy wants a lot of sex yet. He doesn't want the woman he's married to be really into sex. Like, it's just some ridiculous sort of double standard thing that definitely goes on and causes problems too. But I think it's great when women meet a guy like you who's like, you know, totally still sees her as his wife and as his girl. You know what I mean? You don't change your opinion of her, you know, because she was into that stuff. Whereas I think a lot of men would, at least American men, for sure.

Well, I think it was funny. My wife used to have American girlfriends. And they would be like, you know, I could never imagine swimming. You know, that was just ultimate taboo. But they went out and they cheated on their husband at the same time. Right. And my wife used to laugh. Where's that different than swinging except for you're lying about it?

Exactly. Your wife is exactly right. it like what's the difference with those women sort of you know going out there and doing that to me it's worse honestly i judge people worse and i've said this on my podcast before like i'm more judgmental to people who lie and are you know being like really covert about things and like hurting people knowingly than people that just want to do whatever they want sexually you know what i mean like i don't think that that's really that bad if you want to go screw with a bunch of people and be swingers. But the sad thing is

that people have to cheat because of whatever and then they do and they think that that's like any better than being a swinger. You know what I mean? People would be judgmental. Maybe they were, like you said, like your friend's wives were they like they were horrified that she was a swinger, right? Yet they're cheaters. I think they're worse as cheaters

is what I'm trying to say. No, I agree. I think you know, anything that two people can agree upon that is consensual and they enjoy doing and it's out and open. That's one thing. And in my mind, perfectly okay. But when one of the others has to take it and lie to them about,

to the other partner about something, you've just lost all basis of trust in a relationship. So why even stay together? I know. It sucks. But you know what I think why people stay together is I think that people don't lose trust because people are able to sort of look the other way. I don't believe. I mean, there are certain guys that I'm friends with that, I mean, it's so obvious to me. They're massive cheaters. I don't know how their women trust them.

And I don't think that they trust them. I think on some level they must know. But I think that they allow themselves or they, you know, they live in enough denial so that they can have what they want, which is that marriage, that security, whatever it is that they're getting out of it. And they turn their back. That's what I think. Or maybe they're just that stupid.

I don't know. I sometimes wish I was. I see too much. Right? I don't know. I agree. I agree with you. I've got an acquaintance right now who's going through divorce after 15, 20 years of marriage.

And his thing is they both cheated on each other throughout the marriage, and either one of them has trusted each other from day one. Right. But somehow. And yet they stayed together for 15, 20 years. Because, you know, it's counterintuitive to me, but, you know, maybe that's part, you know, what makes a difference between the U.S. and Europe. Yeah. In Europe, women know that their husband is going to have a mistress. Right.

In Spain, it's readily accepted. In Italy, you know, it's, you know, you just know it's going to happen. Right. And the women... And it's part of their culture. Let me ask you this, though, because I do. believe that cheating is the worst. Like, and I've said this before, too, is that, like, cheating sort of pits women against each other, right? Because, you know, it's, uh, they're all

sort of vying for that guy or they don't want their friends to fuck their guy. Like, it's a, it's a terrible thing mostly for women, right? And so I'm just wondering how that plays out for women in these cultures. Are the, uh, the women like a very like against each other because there is that sort of knowledge that, oh, that woman can be fucking my guy. Or are they more cool with each other because they're open to it and they allow for it? I don't know. You know, that's a great question. I think to some degree, they're probably less judgmental about it. Are they happy about it? No, I don't think any woman's happy if her husband goes out and has somebody on the side. But in those cultures, you know, it's an accepted thing.

Right. My thing is I actually remember when I was living in Texas and the mayor got caught having an affair. He was Latin, now Mexican. And when they ask, you know, a lot of the constituency in the town about it, you know, a lot of them, you know, huge Hispanic population. For them, it was, where's there a problem? You know, that's part of our culture. We all do it. And even the women. didn't see that as a uber negative. Right, because they accept it. They're taught to accept that. I mean, that's just the way that it is.

They don't look down on a man or think he's any less of a man or whatever because for them it's acceptable. I personally think because I hate, you know, I'm always like I wish I was born a man. Like if I could come back at anything and then my next lifetime, I'm like, I'm coming back as a man

because it's just a lot better in a lot of ways. And I just, as a woman, I feel like the whole cheating thing. And there's a lot of things that sucks about being a woman. And the whole cheating thing is one of them because like I said, I really believe that cheating is the worst for the women, mostly not just because, I mean, I believe it makes us and keeps us in the weaker sex position because it pits us up against each other. It keeps us hyper fixated on our man, right, because we're so worried we could lose him, you know, to any tits and ass that walk by, right? So that we're, it makes us more into the guys, I think. I really do.

I think it creates all of this nonsense that we have to deal with. In my opinion, I think it's just because some women are more insecure than others are. You know, it's just like guys that worry about it. Usually, you know, usually guys that are the most jealous or the most insecure. Right. But it's also, it's not, most of the time, I don't find, I don't know, most of the time I find that the women that are kind of crazy about it and kind of nutty about it are with the guys that are doing it. You know what I mean? Like, it's rare that you find a woman.

It's very rare that I meet a woman who's married to a really good guy that has no mischief. Because there are some guys that don't cheat. I know them. I have tons of guy friends, so I know. There's a small percentage, but there are some guys that are able to remain monogamous. It's not a lot of them, but they're out there. And, you know, the women that are married to them are, like, freaking out insecure, thinking they're cheating on them all the time. Most of the women that I know that are insecure and freaked out that their guys cheating on them,

it's because their guys are, it's with the women that are with the guys that are cheating on them. It's all the secrecy. To me, what I believe is the best is when people get to a certain place. Like either we have to be in polygamy has to be okay, or it has to be like what you did with your wife, which I, that's what I aspire to at some point or think is actually best for both the woman and the man, whereas there is an open relationship together

where you swing or you do it. Instead of this thing where you say in Spain, where they have a mistress and the woman, no, she doesn't really like it, but she puts up with it. I want a world or I want to come back as a woman during a time where that happens, but the woman's like, I don't care. Like she's doing the same thing or whatever it is, where it's like an equal thing where the woman is not like not really happy, but she deals. Like, I think with you and your wife, like it wasn't like your wife was unhappy with what you were doing and she was just swinging with you because you wanted to and you were her husband and she felt like she had to. She did that because she wanted to as well.

You know, and I think that that's like healthy in a way. that's what I believe and that work for both of you and I think that that's great yeah and I think part of that goes back to you know the differences in sexuality between Europe and here I think it goes to generational differences I think goes to a lot of different things you know you look at the number of women today that openly admit to being bisexual or at least bi-cureoleon and the younger generation outnumbers, you know, the older generation massively. Totally.

Things are changing. Newances that happen as things become acceptable in society or... Totally. There will be a time where it changes for guys to being by. I mean, that will happen eventually. People don't think it will, but it eventually is going to happen, right? where, you know, just looking at with the witness. I think it's already, I think it's, well, I think it's already happening.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's much more acceptable. I mean, you can't watch a movie anymore without there being male-male contact. Right. You know, you know, you got Brokeback Mountain. You've got the. No, when Procback came out, but I'm sorry. But even when Brokeback came out, that was still like a thing where it was like, oh, my God, two guys making out and rolling around.

It's a lot, it's getting a little bit more acceptable, but it's still not like, the way it is for women where all of a sudden it's shifted and change where women like are making out and they're like, oh, I have a girl crush and every girl's admitting she's by. But not a lot of guys yet are admitting that they're by. I think the younger generation are a little bit more open. But I don't think you see that yet. And I don't think when Brokeback Mountain came out, it was, that was maybe like a very, it was very bold of them to do that.

But I know a lot of guys that were like horrified by that movie. But I think now, 10 years later, it is very different. And I think you're right. There's a lot more guys that are gay and they're. out and gay marriages more legal and look at what Bruce Jenner is doing it's like amazing I think I'm all for all of that stuff coming out just because I think it's better that listen I wouldn't have a show if we weren't so uptight and people didn't have secret lives because

no one would find it interesting you know but I think that you know when people are able to express themselves sexually openly and be and be okay with it here it will be a better world and I think marriage will be better because like there's just a lot of like emphasis put on saxon a lot of judgment and a lot of lot of issues and problems that come through sex. And it's too bad. But I think there will always be, no, no, I agree. There will also always be a level of taboo on something for someone.

Right. And you want that a little bit, right? Because that's what makes it hot. I mean, I always say, like, cheating sex, unfortunately, is really good in a weird way. You know, it has that rush attached to it, right? Unfortunately. You know, everything that's, you know, there's a Europe, the German saying, that stolen food is the best food, you know. Right.

You know, it's just, you know, stolen apples is the sweetest or whatever it is. And, you know, it's just one of those things that is ingrained within us that anything taboo or illegal or immoral or unethical. has that level of excitement and risk and something else going to it. Totally. So then, you know what? It accentuates. Right. So then, you know what?

Even if I come back in a life 500, I'm still coming back as a man then because it's going to be the same shit. And I think that men still will still be getting to have a little bit more fun sexually than women because I think it just skews in that way. Yeah. I'm not sure that men have more. fun sexually than women do. I think it's actually much easier for a woman to find somebody to have sex with. I know, but she doesn't, right, absolutely. But men like the chase. Okay. But it's the mental block. If men and women's mentalities were reversed, then functionally, I think women would be in a much better situation. I know, but that's never going to happen.

It's not reversed. It's not reversed. Like the truth is the fact is it's not. It's just it's it and part of that is you know, ingrained in our DNA and how, you know, people are overall and also brought up and, you know, face it, a lot of what we go through has to do with, um,

this ingrained, uh, Christian belief or religious belief of what's moral and immoral. Yeah. And it doesn't really matter whether you're, you know, Jewish or Christian or Muslim or whatever. A lot of the faiths have similar tenets about sexuality and what's acceptable and what isn't. Yeah. And I also think on another level, too, the thing that I love about human beings is that we are animals, right?

and I love like the male, female animal thing that is always going on as well. You know, there's that aspect too. And that's just you can't get rid of that. You know what I mean? So, you know, we could go on and on discussing this stuff. It's always so fascinating to me. What I loved was the fact, you know, because you wrote in as a guest, like just as a listener of the show, you're a fan of the podcast. And then you were telling me like the stuff that you do and how it's so different.

So for me, it was just interesting to hear about, you know, your different experience. experiences and the stuff that you've done, you know, living in Europe and how it's compared to America. And I think if you have to be with a guy as a woman, like I think, you know, what you did with your wife is like the healthy way to swing, you know, if there is it. I think people wonder if that exists and I believe that it does. And it's like the way that you did it. And, you know, thanks for calling in and sharing that because that's what I think, you know, if you're going to, or if you want an open relationship, that's the way it should be done.

And that's the way. And like you said, you broke up and it didn't work for other reasons. Nothing to do with that. But that, you know, you guys had a great sex life because you were on the same page and you got to do things and your wife wasn't judged for it. And I think that that's great. I'm trying to wrap up the call. Well, thanks for having me on the podcast. You know, when I wrote you, I didn't expect to be invited to speak.

But, you know, it's been a lot of fun. And, you know, hope anybody didn't mistake any of my comments for, you know, saying one society is better than the other or one thing is better because I think there's pluses and minuses and both. Yeah, totally. And I think, you know, guys understand, you know what I mean, that live in America, they know, you know. But, you know, I love when, I mean, you know, a lot of guy people write in. I love when my listeners write into the show, but because you gave me all that back history, I was like, oh, I have to get you on as a guest

because, you know, people love to hear about people's lives. Like you listen and you listen to all these people. Now people will get to listen to what you did. And when you wrote all that stuff that you've done, I was like, oh, my God, I have to have them on the show. So it was a no-brainer. So thanks for calling in. Well, thank you too.

Okay, I'll talk to you soon. Thanks. Keep listening. Okay. Okay. Okay, bye. All right. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book,

It's called Strictly Anonymous Confession. Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers is now available not only in paperback and e-book, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. There's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story.

There's a cuck story. There's a gang being girl story. Like I said, 17 stories, and they're all told in the third person, and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person, and I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like Penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right?

But these are true stories, 17 of them. They're really short chapters, easy read. you could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format. And finally, the audiobook is available coming out August 25th. But you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint. Okay. There's no way you get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay. I give it to people who buy my book.

There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other. And that's what you get to do there. You can post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you can win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it.

I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private, like I said. All you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook, the ebook, or the paperback. Sended to me at Strictly Anonymous Podcasts at gmail.com. That's Strictly Anonymous Podcasts at gmail.com. And I will send you the link to Discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in.

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