Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 091 - Adam is Openly Bisexual and in an Open Relationship

Episode Date: September 13, 2015

Adam is openly bisexual and involved in an open relationship and he calls in to explain how it all works for him. Adam lost his virginity with a guy when he was very young and has spent his adult life in open relationships with women who are not only accepting of his bisexual side but are also very into it. He has been having sex with with men openly while maintaining healthy, long lasting relationships with women and he explains how he makes it all work. He talks about blow jobs and anal and threesomes and more. Tune in to hear the detials about his interesting past as well as  hear about how perimenopause is affecting his sex life with his current girlfriend and how they're coping. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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formative years, like that kindergarten through eighth grade, I really, I just, I hated school and I didn't really listen a lot. So I don't have, maybe you might call me uneducated. I have friends that call me that. Even though I'm super smart of a really viciously high IQ. I just, I didn't listen in school. So I don't know certain things. So anyway, I don't even know how I got off of. Off topic. I think I said something that wasn't even grammatically correct. But anyway, let's get to the call today. Today I have on a guy named Adam and Adam's an interesting guy. I like Adam. He's like a openly bisexual guy who is involved in an open relationship. He's always been involved in open relationships and he's always been by. He's been and he's like not living like a secret life. I mean, I don't think regular people in his life know about. his bisexuality but all of his partners have and he's always been able to hook up with women that were totally cool with it and they've always and he's always been able to be bisexual as well as maintain a healthy relationship with the woman at the same time he's been by since he's been about

i think 16 years old we get into that we get into his relationships with women and the threesomes the foursums and all the kinds of stuff that they did and then we take this really crazy turn at the end. And we start talking about periods and perimenopause. And I'm just going to warn you about it because that's what goes down. And I didn't even see that coming, even though actually this guy, Adam, had posted an ad on Craigslist that I responded to and he was looking for female advice. I didn't know what kind of advice he was looking for. I didn't know that he was bisexual and he was in an open relationship, but all this other interesting stuff that we talk about for like 45 minutes. Really what he was on Craigslist looking for advice for was about perimenopause

because the woman that he's involved with right now is going through it or she's in menopause and she's having issues and their relationship is suffering because of it, her, their sex life. So we like I said, like towards the end of the podcast, we take a total right turn into period and perimenopause talk. So if you're not interested in that, you know, you could just stop listening. But it's really interesting. I think not only is it interesting for, for women to listen to because what I find as a woman is no women want to talk about this shit. And it is a real thing that happens. And I think women should be talking about it.

But I also think men should be educated on it too because, you know, men are married to women that are going through perimenopause or in full-fledged menopause. And they are having all kinds of symptoms and acting all kinds of crazy. And if a guy doesn't really understand what's going on, it could cause a lot of friction in relationships. Adam happens to be this really cool guy that, you know, is trying to find a solution for his girl because she's having a difficult time with it. And they're working together as a couple to make it through the difficult time. And I think that that's really great. So the information after, you know, the information about periods of pedicentropause is really interesting too.

I think even for men. So, you know, try if you can to listen to it. You might learn something about your female partner, whether it's your girl. girlfriend or your wife or your sister or your friend. It's always great, I think, for people of the opposite sex to know about what goes down for the opposite sex, whether it's women knowing about men or men knowing about the shit that goes down for women. The last thing I want to say, though, is that I throw out a lot of information about bioidentical hormones and this and that. And like, I get all of my information from Google, Google University, we call it, me and my doctor friend.

because he went to like real doctor school and I'm always like acting like I know everything about being a doctor. And I went to Google University. So listen, like I always say that I'm not a therapist and I give unprofessional advice. I'm giving unprofessional medical advice on this podcast about perimenopause and menopause and all that shit. You know, I believe in real doctors and I believe that you women should go to their real doctors to take care of all the stuff and don't go by exactly what I say. But I do know a lot because I do Google. And Google University is, you can learn a lot from Google. Anyway, I'm going to be right back on with Adam.

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This is Adam. Hey, Adam. You're on the strictly anonymous podcast with Kathy. How are you? Hi, Kathy. How are you? I'm good. So refresh my memory.

I just read through your emails, but why don't you just explain your situation and what your deal is. you're in an open relationship, but it's a little bit different than a typical open relationship, right, where typically the woman is bi, right? Because in this situation, you're the by one. Is that correct? Right. That is correct.

I'm bisexual and she is the one that's straight. Right. And you guys go to swingers clubs and all that kind of stuff. And she knows that you're bi, right? Because I've had a lot of by guys on my show. But it's typically like a private secret situation, right, that they don't really tell anybody. I think maybe I had one other guy that was. out or he had a girlfriend at one time that was open to it.

How long you've been dating the woman that you're dating? Or are you married to her or she your girlfriend? We're dating. And we've been seeing each other for about five years. Okay. And so you've been, what about your history, like sort of being bisexual? You've been bisexual your whole life or like when did you come out or decide to start, you know, when did you act on that?

I guess the first time I acted was at 16. Uh-huh. and was with a close boyhood friend. We had been, well, we'd been watching porn together. I guess it kind of started when we were about 15, like, watching porn together. And we were pretty open with each other about, like, masturbating. And I guess it started with masturbating in front of each other. And moved on to oral.

Right. Is that all you guys did with each other or did you take it even further? No, that's all we did. I'm pretty just into the oral thing with guys anyways. Now with that friend, he was a friend of yours, right? Was it a one-time thing or did you guys do that with each other behind everyone's back like for a long time? Oh, we did it quite a bit behind everyone's back. And are you guys friends to this day? I mean, guys keep their friends. They're not like girls. are so catty. We're just like catty bitches. We're always like kicking friends.

Guys say friends their whole lives. Are you still friends with that guy? We are still friends, yeah. Right. He's, uh, he's married. He's put that side behind him. How do you know? He could have called my show. He could still be screwing guys on the side. You don't know. You're right. You're right. That's, uh, that's always a possibility. Probably because, I mean, listen, you were by, right, and you sort of stayed true to that side of yourself, I'm assuming, but he got married. Yeah? Well, actually for a period in my life, I tried the straight and narrow, I guess.

Mm-hmm. And how did that go? Well, I joined the military at age 18, and I stayed straight through the military. Mm-hmm. And I'd say until I was about 28 when I... I had your second. Right. And now before that, before you joined the military and went straight,

like was the guy your friend, the only guy that you had been with? Or did you sort of hook up with other dudes as well? Yeah, I've never been really periscuous. Right. No, that's cool. You're like a one-man guy. That's kind of a misconcept, I think lots of people have about bisexual men, which I guess there are a lot of bisexual men out there that are,

extremely promiscuous. That's always been a major turnoff for me. Right. Glory hole situations, stranger situations, meeting in the park, nothing. That doesn't do anything for me.

Interesting. Yeah, no, I get more so that kind of guy, you know. But for you, you're more into somebody that, like, you know.

Is that the deal? Yeah. That we friends. And you like them as a person. You're more. like me, that's how I am with my booty calls. I don't want to like fuck a stranger or so like I like I get attracted to someone that I know and it doesn't, I don't have to be in love with them, right? And maybe I'm just having sex with them, but it has to be someone that I like. I think yeah, listen,

I don't think it's a stereotype which is gay guys or bisexual guys. I think it's just a stereotype with men in general. And I don't know that it's such a stereotype than it is probably typically the norm that most men are wired to like want variety and whatever. But certainly I have a lot a guy friend. There are guys out there that aren't like that and you're just not one of them, whether it's with women or with men, I'm assuming. That's the way that you are. Right, right. So that's just, that's your deal. So you hooked up with another friend after you got out of the military, like another situation sort of came about? Well, a early, you know, friend, and that was mostly through high school. And then

right after high school, I worked at a warehouse. There was a gay guy there. We got along and we played a few times. And then I joined the military and I decided that, you know, that was just an experimental stage. Right. It is found upon. I mean, you can't go around talking about that with everybody. Right. But it does go down, though.

I mean, I had a caller once and he used to have sex with guys, but he's probably, I don't know, how old are you? I'm 44. Right. He's like younger. He's in the middle. he was in the military recently and he said he was like fucking guys in the porta potties i mean it was hilarious right that's what was going down when he was in the military yeah i've uh i've seen like stories like that i think i think that a lot of those stories may be masteratory stories

like their fantasies i hear you but i got to say the guy that told me i believed him he was straight out gay. He wasn't by. He was like very gay and he was doing that. But I know it does go on. Adult bookstores that kind of thing. Right. I know that does go on.

No, he said he was doing it in the porta-potties with other guys in the Marines. Wow. I didn't see any of that one. Yeah. You know, but listen, I think it's a different time. Don't you think it's maybe a different time? I mean, he was young. He was still, he had just gotten

out of the military. So this was happening today. I think maybe if you were in the military and you were by now, it would have happened. I think when you were in the military, it was definitely something that people just didn't risk taking a chance because... Oh, yeah. Well, they didn't even have the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy when I was in the military. Right, exactly. So that, I think that was established shortly after I got out of the military. So, right. And then, and now it's, you Not even that policy that you can serve openly, I guess. Totally, yeah, absolutely. So anyway, so you got out of the military and you started back up.

Like, what happened? Like, you just, because I know that you said you thought it was just a phase. You'd never sort of do it again. And then you got out of the military. Did you ever get married or anything like that? No, but I was in a long-term relationship for when I got out of the military for about six years. And she didn't know anything. At that point, in my life, I didn't disclose that to anyone.

And she didn't know. She had no idea. So within that six years, you were fooling around with guys behind her back or having one guy behind her back? No. No, I was not at all. I was completely faithful in that relationship. Okay, cool.

So for six years, you still, at that point, even after you got out of the military, you still hadn't been with a guy. Right. Right. Yeah. So it was at least a 10-year period in my life that I was went straight for. I did have fantasies about it. I mean, I still thought about it once in a while.

And then what happened? Like you and that woman obviously broke up, right? Is that when you started to hook up with another guy? Yeah, I wasn't working. And I met a girl that she was by and she was open about it. and she kind of over time poached it out of me she made quite a few comments to i mean she joking around she'd make comments about it out of me and uh i i remember the night that i told her about it and we had the most amazing sex when i admitted to her that i had had uh

male on male experiences right she was into it she like Like she was into it. Yeah. I mean, the course of a few months that I, she would, it was wrapping little hints. Mm-hmm.

She did. You know, I could use her on my podcast because I can't tell you how many guys I've had call in that wanted to sort of, you know, gauge their girl's interest to do certain things, right? And they're always wondering how to do that without freaking them out. You know what I'm saying?

It's like, I'm sure you felt the same way. Like, you wanted to probably on some level to let her know, but you didn't know. And on some level, she probably wanted to know. And you guys kind of like, but it worked for you guys, you know? So it's just like that's like the way to do it, I guess.

Like she just would make jokes about it, throw it out there, right? Well, that, yeah, that was the easiest way for it to come about. Is her, you know, saying little jokes. You know, we talked, she was by, so we talked about having a threesome with another girl. Mm-hmm. And she said, Well, I only have one rule, and that's you don't get to play with the other girl, just me. Mm-hmm.

If you want to play with someone outside of our relationship, it'll have to be another guy. Right. And she kind of giggled about it. And, you know, there was just little certain times that she'd make little comments. Mm-hmm. And I finally got the idea that she was. More than likely, she was open to it. And I told her one night in bed.

Yeah, that was one of the hottest nights I had with her the entire relationship. I can imagine. I think that that's awesome, you know, because it was like somebody that was totally into it. It was like for you, it was probably so exciting because now all of a sudden you realize you could go back out there and be with guys and fulfill that fantasy. And she was cool with it. And then did you guys have threesome with Matt, threysms with the guys? Yeah, we did several threesomes.

We did some girl, girl, girl, guy three sums, and we did a couple guy-gai girls threesomes, and we got together with another couple where both were by. Oh, my God. So you guys had a really good time.

Yes, we did. We explored completely. How long were you with that woman for it? Well, let's see. I guess it was about seven years. Right.

And where would you pick up these other couples and these guys and these women? I mean, you know, was it on Craigslist or would you just go out and meet people? No, that was really before Craigslist time, I guess, or most of our relationship. I had no idea about Craigslist. But there are bars in every town that are bi-gay-friendly. Right. And, I mean, you've got your completely gay bars, and even completely gay bars, you'll have couples go in. That's not uncommon.

Right. You would, did you start going, because I know with this woman that you're dating and we'll eventually get to this relationship, that you guys go to swingers clubs and stuff. Did you go start going to swingers clubs with this woman when you were dating her? No. I mean, there's that kind of underground swingers stuff that you can get involved in, I guess. But we did, you know, I mean, for one thing, it's easier to meet girls that are by. Totally. Completely open about it.

Mm-hmm. If you want to meet a guy, then you have to go to a bar that's either bi-gay friendly or go to a gay bar. Right. Mm-hmm. So you guys would just go out for drinks and then just get in conversation, find somebody, hookup, bring them back home and get it on. That's exactly, yes. Now, let me ask you this, because you said you only do oral. Have you ever had an, like, are you a top, are you a bottom, are you not that at all?

Like, do you mind me asking? No, I don't mind you asking at all. I explored it with that girl, the girl that was by that I dated. I explored it with her. She said I should try it, and she wanted to use a vibrator. Uh-huh. And so I let her try that, and that just didn't do anything for me. It was, I know they say, you know, guys prostate and it's like a G-spot.

And I've even seen it on gay movies where a guy can come from that. Right. But it just wasn't, for me, penetration sex has always been something I have been attracted to women for. Right. And so oral is much more what you're into. Are you into oral with women? Oh, yes. Right.

So you're into everything with women. But with guys, you're only, have you ever? So she fucked you in the ass with like a dildo or something? Like you tried that with her, but ever with a guy? Yeah, it was one of those kind of slim-line vibrators. Right. Rocket-shaped one. Right.

No, I know. Yeah, and she said it would stimulate me, and she swore up and down. She'd be able to make me come with it. Totally. And so I said, okay, sure, we'll try. It wasn't really my thing, but okay. I mean, she would let me go up in her. So I figured fair is fair you can give it a shot

Yeah and how did you know that you wouldn't love it You know I always think because I had a guy on recently who was totally straight But loved to have women screw him in the ass and he loved it and we talked because I'm a woman and I'm a three input girl I like anal sex so I always think like everyone is like sort of equal like if it feels really good for me Why wouldn't it feel really good for everybody you know there's just so many nerve endings in there And if you could really relax into it it's really great but maybe it's not Like you're somebody that really tried it. You're totally open, right?

You're openly by. So there's no, because I think there's a lot of homophobic men. They're like, oh my God, don't go near my ass because they think it'll mean they're gay. But you're like the great experiment guy to do this with because you're openly by. You don't give a shit about that. You're not bound to that at all. Like, you know, so you tried it and you just didn't like it. Interesting.

I didn't like it one bit. Interesting. That's interesting. I don't know. I don't know why. But it didn't. Maybe she couldn't find my prostate. I don't.

But like you didn't jerk off at the same time. Isn't that what guys typically do? I've never really watched gay porn. I don't know. But I would assume that guys are doing that at the same time, right, while they're getting screwed in the ass? No, she said she was sure that she could make me come just by that. Right. Okay.

And it didn't, yeah, it wouldn't work. Right. But all these guys, I'm sure when you're with these guys, they wanted. to do more, like, didn't you have some that wanted to sort of push you to do more? Well, I've had, you know, you just don't know, that's not

my cup of tea. Right, right. So you never, though, like, what I meant by that, I'm not saying that they tried to get you to do something you didn't want to do, but like that, you weren't in the heat of the moment that you decided to, okay, you know what, I'll give this a try with this guy because I'm really horny and, like, whatever.

You know what I mean? It just went with the, with the moment, you know, at the moment. I had never I mean I kind of let you know whatever partners I'm going to be with though kind of my ground rules right I guess that's important in these kinds of situations

when you have all those people together and people are in relationships right like because your girl would want to be with the girl but she didn't want you with the you know so I guess you guys like people go into that explaining like the rules and regulations ahead of time so everybody knows and everybody's cool with it because they're like you know if you're lucky enough to be screwing somebody else's girl and shit like you know what I mean who's gonna push those boundaries you don't have to be stupid yeah right that's that's exactly right uh I mean if you're in an

open relationship and you have feelings for that person you have to respect those feelings right right and everybody's cool like and everybody winds up to be cool because it's like a great situation why you know if you're open to it and and you both know it's just sex And all the worries about is this person going to be stolen from me. Right. All the jealousy and everything is not there, right? You're in a like. Yeah.

The jealousy, I think the jealousy is always still a little there underlying. But if you know that you're true to each other, then you're not worried. that they're going to be stolen away from you. No, I think that that's the ultimate sort of relationship. And I've had a couple guys on here besides you that were, why are just like you? They were very monogamous guys. They weren't by, you're the first one that's by two on top of it. But that's just another thing to add into it.

But it's the same kind of guy. Like you're totally monogamous. You really like women. You have, you know, real relationships with them. but you're able to have these open relationships and respect the woman. It's not like you're hiring huggers or prostitutes to do it with or whatever. These are the women that you're doing this with women that you love and that you care for and you just have this separate sex life where you guys are pretty open and you do it.

And I think that's great. You know, I think a lot of women might be more open to stuff like that, but they would never sort of cop to it with most guys because I think most guys wouldn't be able to handle it. They would never see that. You know what I mean? And I think a lot of women are afraid to sort of let their freak fly flies with a lot of guys. Because guys, you know, have this thing with women, you know. They judge them for what they do sexually.

Like they want you to give them a good head. But when you do, they're like, where the fuck did you learn that? You know, like there's just like that Madonna horror complex with a lot of men. Right. They can't put those two girls together. You know, they have to have the woman that they bring home to their parents and that they love. And she's typically like, you know, white bread. and then they have the horror on the side to do the things that they really want to do, you know?

And so a lot of men are just as conflicted, I think. So I think it, but when I think, though, a guy like you, and like I said, I've talked to other guys too who doesn't have that confliction, right? Like you could be in love with that woman and let her be, explore herself sexually and do whatever. And you don't see her any different. You know, you could still love that woman and you see her as that girl. And you're a monogamous guy. And that's what I typically find with that kind. It's like that same sort of thing.

And that's the perfect guy to, to me, that's the perfect guy to do this kind of situation with and be a swing or be in an open relationship. Because when you have total trust, what is the big deal if you're out there doing sex with other people? You know what I mean? It doesn't really matter if you're emotionally faithful with each other. Yeah, if you're emotionally bonded and faithful to each other and you know, I think you have to have some guidelines for if you're going to go into this. Right, but that all comes down to trust, right? Because listen, I think some people, I had this really hilarious guy call in. A 007 is his name when he was going to do his first threesome with this girl.

He had finally got her into it. And he told me that one of her rules was she couldn't, he couldn't fuck. He could fuck the other girl, which I thought was really cool of her. Like she was a really, like she was letting him screw another girl. But she said, you just can't fuck her in the ass. And he was like, I can't wait to fuck the other girl in the ass. I'm going to do it in the dark and behind her back. I'm going to fight.

And that's like, and I'm like, are you kidding me? Like here you have a girl, right? Like, and she's letting you have a through it. Like she's the ultimate catch. You really like her. And she has one rule. And you're going to fuck it up. Like, it's so stupid.

You know, this is where guys are so dumb. And he was like, oh, maybe you're right. But, you know, I think that it's really important. Like, that guy's like not going to last. Like, you know, you have to have that trust. You have to know that if, you know, as the woman says to you, like, hey, you just can't fuck someone else that you're totally respectable. You know, you respect that and you do and that's why it works for you and I think that that's great.

You know, you're not even calling in like, how do I have an open relationship and make it work? I think that's the ultimate relationship that most guys would want to have, but they just don't know how to have that. And I get stuck talking about that with you because I was always obsessed with swingers and the swinger lifestyle when I was really little because I think it's like super evolved to sort of be in a relationship and not have sexual ownership over someone else. But I think that that's hard and it's hard for a lot of. of people and I think it's a, it's a, the big part of it is a trust issue. And it's hard to find guys that, like I said, are wired like you where they're like emotionally wouldn't stray and they're super monogamous, but they're open sexually. You know, most of the time you find guys that want to do it. They're like that other guy that is like, oh, I'm just going to fuck that girl in the ass.

Anyway, you know. Right. It's like doesn't work. But so, yeah. I think, I don't know, I guess Some of those guys are just super sexually charged, over sexually charged. I don't know. Yeah, they're more like that tip. You know what I say? I say they're just like closer to the apes. Like, you know, I think everyone's sort of evolved and those guys are less evolved. I don't know.

That's what I always say. You know, they're just like closer to the apes. And some men are just like more evolved as men. And they're different with women and they're different with sex. And, you know, that's just the way that it goes. Right. Well, the whole, like the whole gloryhole type of situation. And I just don't.

That does nothing for me. How can you, I don't know, I don't. I'm going to say, I'm going to say there was one time of my life probably for about three days that I was like into, I never did anything glory hole. But I like checked into it online or something, whatever. And I was just like, oh, as a woman, I was like, this is not so bad. Like you don't get all the grossness about the guy. Like you don't get the hairiness and like maybe the ugly. face and the smells like like you know that all you get is the part that you want like I don't know

I was like oh maybe glory holes are where it's at but then I was like I'm probably not but you know that sort of divide and it's so it's kind of like the woman's like you know if you're using a toy at home it's like no different you know um you get the part that you want of the man and not the rest of the garbage uh but yeah like you're not that's not you're not wired that way a lot of guys are, and I think it's typically the men that are sort of repressed or they have to be, you know, have that part of their sexuality repressed. So everything becomes super dirty. And that's always like hot and makes it fun too. But they can never sort of be out with that side. For you, you're totally out. Liz, is everyone in your life know you're bisexual or is it just something that people that you're intimate with now? Yeah, just people that I'm intimate. I'm a pretty masculine guy. And most people wouldn't ever guess. Yeah, I'm sure, like when you and that friend hang out, did anyone ever catch you guys? Did anyone ever have a feeling that you guys were doing that? Or was that a total secret that has, like, lived on to this day?

That's a total secret that's lived on to this day. I feel like if I was friends with you guys, I would have known. I just think I would have. I don't know. Maybe your body language, but maybe not. I mean, so nobody had any idea. And I'm assuming you guys were a part of a pack, like most guys have, like, 10 friends, right? So it wasn't, you guys weren't the only two friends that you were friends with, right?

Together. Right. No. I mean, we were like best friends and we had several friends that were, you know, friends. But I don't think any of our friends were as close as we were. And we'd hang out more together. And you'd be doing this like at your guys' houses with your parents around and shit and nobody had any idea? Yeah, we'd usually find a good, um,

secluded place. His mother worked and there was time for school. Where there was a lone time. But no, we never got caught. And did you lose your virginity to a guy before you were with a woman? Like, who were you with first? Like, I think he said you were with a guy when you were 16. When were your first time with a woman?

The first time I had sex with a woman was 15. Okay. And patient sex. And, and then, I mean, it was only a one-time thing until probably I was when I was 16 again. After I had played with my friend. Right. Let me ask you this. Were you confused about your sexuality or because you sort of dabbled in it so early on

and was with a man and liked it and was with a woman and liked it, that you were just totally, cool, you know, you just understood that you were by and that was okay with you? Or was it confusing to you? I'd say it was very confusing to me. It was something that it turned me on and I liked, but

I feel, you know, it was something that I definitely kept, you know, hidden and I was ashamed of that I liked because you are, you're about the same age. Yep, I'm 46.

Uh-huh. 40s? Okay. So, you know, that age, growing up in that time, I was not something that, I mean, the girl-on-girl thing was popular with the guys. But it still wasn't even as popular. Even that, I was going to say before when you and your girls were very progressive and ahead of your time, because nobody was even doing that really that much, even when we were growing up at all. It wasn't like it is today. Even that was a little, like you said, it was cool with the guys, but a lot of women still were not copping to it. Yeah. The girl that I did that with was, I was later on, you know, I was, what was that, 29 or 28 or 29 when we started seeing

each other. And we saw each other on and off for probably seven years. And, I mean, it was mostly on, but we had a couple breakups in between. But I mean, did you, did you, though, wonder about, like, like, was it clear to you? Because, like, I think there's a big difference between being bi and being homosexual, right? And, like, bisexual. Oh, right? So you knew, like, you felt romantic feelings to women and just sort of sexual feelings for men, or did you wonder, like, maybe I'm gay, like, because I like to suck dick.

Like, me, I don't know. Like, I mean, I mean, was there? that kind of confliction going on, or did you sort of know for sure that you liked women more so to have relationships with and men it was just a sexual attraction? Yeah, that's basically it. I mean, I like to have a friendship with a guy. I don't like the stranger thing. I like to know somebody and they've got to be cool and funny and somewhat attractive.

There's got to be an attraction level. there, but it's not on a romantic level. Right. I don't know if, I don't know how it is with women if you feel, you know, if you find a woman attractive, I mean, you don't feel like you're in love with her. You feel like your friends and you're having to be fun. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think a lot of people, though, are afraid.

That's, that's, I ask because I think a lot of people that have never tried it, but sort of are horny forward and want to. I think that they get nervous that that means that they're gay or they're not. But it's like you could just, they just might mean that you're, you know, and sometimes doing it and having the experience makes it more clear to you, you know, because then you really get to figure out what the fuck you are and, you know, what it's about. Right. And a lot of times it's just, you just like it for sex and that's just being by.

Yeah, that's being by. I guess by guys get that rap. You know, everybody immediately says, oh, he's gay. Yeah, that's what I think. people think that they have to, but I don't. I think the difference is like, I think homosexuals feel that like, you know, it depends. To me, it's like who you fall in love with depends whether you're homosexual or heterosexual. If you're open sexually to both, you know, men and women, then that's bisexual.

I think that that's a different thing. And both things exist. Right. You know, and people fall into different categories. And I think both, you know, a lot of homosexual people really looked out on the bisexual. groups of people and they think that you can't be that. But of course there's people that are just totally homosexual, and then there's people that are totally heterosexual.

Right. The Kinsey scale. Exactly. I think most people fall someplace in the middle. It's just statistically speaking, right? I find it's like how many people do you find that are really 100% heterosexual and really 100% homosexual? And I would break McKinsey for myself.

If I would break it down a little more, I would say I would label it in two categories, penetration sex and oral sex. Right. And as for penetration sex, I guess I'm a one. Right. You're 100% heterosexual when it comes to penetration sex. I was open to trying it. Yeah, but you tried it with a woman, not a man. Yeah, I guess that's true.

but I mean if I had found it pleasurable maybe I would have continued down that line and who knows. I think she told you, I mean, what did she handcuff you? You should have started jerking off when she was doing it. I think you would have liked it a lot more if you did that. Well, she did it after she couldn't make me come with just because she had said, oh, I can make it come just with my vibrator. Right. So you were really just trying that.

I mean, listen, you're still young. You could still, you could still try it. Again, if you say you're 1%. I would say right now you're 100% heterosexual when it comes to penetration sex. You're 100% bisexual when it comes to oral sex. Yeah, right at a 3. I like both for oral sex. Right.

And I consider myself to be very oral. And something that I guess most straight men wouldn't try as, sucking on a clit like a little penis. Oh, no. Guys will take your tit and use it like a penis too. Let me tell you, a lot of guys I think are just like in their mind thinking your shit is like dicks in their head because I've had guys go to town on my tits like it's a dick.

Like I'm like in my mind. I'm thinking this guy's like fulfilling some sort of dick fantasy. And so I, yeah, for sure. Maybe he was trying to tell you something. Exactly. Because I don't. out them in the middle of that because, you know, I'm figuring they're trying to keep it a secret. Well, I had a girlfriend that she said, well, the girl I was talking to you about that was by.

She said she had always wanted to be with a guy who was by, but none of her boyfriends were open to that. Right. And I did that for her, and she was like pretty blown away by it. None of the guys she had been would do that. Yeah, it's hard to find men who are open, but I'm sure she felt like some of the guys that she was with might have had some tendencies but just wouldn't cop to it. Well, I think there's lots of guys,

the guys that are closed off about it, completely 100% in the closet and have girlfriends. and do stuff like that. Oh, yeah. I have friends who know for a fact that they would be open to trying it, but might never try it because they just can't cross that line. I have people who call into my show that know for a fact that they are into it and are doing it completely behind, you know, their wives' backs,

and it is a complete secret and they've been doing it all their lives. And then there's ones that just are not into it. You know, I think that there's all types of people out there. It's still not totally 100% out and cool. Like it is for girl on girl action now, it's very acceptable, almost like cool to be that way. But for men, it's still not there yet. I think eventually it'll be there.

I believe there's a movement towards that. Totally. The woman that I'm dating now, she kind of opened my eyes to that. There's, if you go and type gay porn and women into a Google search, you'll see that there's all sorts of women that are watching gay porn. Porn Hub has done this study. Oh, I saw that recently. That it's actually the most Googledable porn.

That's the top thing that women are looking at. Well, lesbian and gay and then apparently neck and neck. So women prefer same sex, or at least. viewing same sex and apparently they like to watch two men. Get it on. Almost as much as, yes, almost as much as men like to watch two women. Yeah, listen, eventually like everything else, it'll come up and come out. And I think, yeah, we're very close to that happening and it's much more open now,

especially now this transgender thing is becoming more open. So eventually it will. And I think then you'll get a lot more guys copying to it. I just think that, you know, a lot of men don't admit it because of, you know, how society looks down on it. Sure. Gender now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have, I just taped a podcast with a guy who actually is a woman named Jennifer and he's transgender and it was like really interesting, especially because of what's going on now. And I think it's like amazing that people are just being more open to stuff like this because whatever, it goes on.

And so many of these poor people are living these lives secretly and it's tough, you know? I think it is And I think those people are born like that 100% Exactly totally But let's get back to your Like right now situation Because the way I found you is I answered

Your ad on Craig's list You were looking for advice About from women Because you're in this really And I don't understand what your advice What advice you're looking for Because you haven't told me yet I just know your situation

You're in another open relationship with a woman She knows you're by You guys go to swingers Club together. She, you get on. So what? Oh, you don't. We don't, we don't go to swingers club.

She's actually straight. Right. And we met through, it was actually the second time I met someone through a Craigslist posting. And what did you post on Craigslist? Were you looking for a woman to date? Were you looking for a woman to fuck? Were you looking for a guy? Answered her Craigslist posting.

Okay. What was she looking for? She was. She was in the woman for male male. Oh, okay. So she knew she was into a by guy. Well, yeah. When I first met her, she kind of shocked me the size of her gay porn collection. It would probably put most gay men to shame. Interesting. It was, yeah, she was very into seeing two men together.

Mm-hmm. And which was great. Totally. That's the perfect girl for you. Yeah. It's, I mean, I don't get me wrong, I enjoy by women, too, but if it's not something you're into, I'm not going to push you into it. But if you're into me being with a guy and that's what you like to say, then I'm totally for it. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, that's great. Yeah. So how long you've been with her for? About five years. Okay, but what's the issue? I can't even imagine because you have a woman who's totally straight who loves that you're by. Yeah. And about a year and a half ago, she started menopause.

She's a little older than I am. She's 49. And her sex drive has kind of dwindled for actual sex. Yeah, I call it pari. It's not menopause. It's peri-fucking menopause, okay? It's the, you know, it's before menopause. It's the changes that happen, you know, that's what she's probably going through.

And she's still horny, and she wants to see me do more guy on guy. Uh-huh. And like I said, the only porn she watches is gay porn. She won't, she's not even open to watching bisexual porn, which is what I prefer. Uh-huh. I prefer to see a woman involved. Right. She doesn't even want the woman involved.

She, like, straight up gay sex. Yeah, she just likes watching the guy on guy. Right. So interesting how everyone just is wired just a little bit differently, you know, and everyone has her thing that they're into. Right. It is. She's not into women at all.

She's the guy and guy trips her trigger like nothing else. Right. But what your problem is is that, like, you're not getting sex from her enough, I'm assuming. right? Yeah, it's kind of gone downhill and I'm just wondering if, I mean, I'm kind of confused at this point, I guess. Mm-hmm. And the guy that I'm playing with, I only have one friend that I play with and he happens to be gay. Mm-hmm.

So he tells that he's gay. Is he secretly gay? Yeah, I mean, for the most part, yeah. Mm-hmm. I mean, he's not ashamed of it. Right. Doesn't hide it. But is he, he's not married or anything like that?

He's not married or anything, though. Uh-huh. Actually, he was married in his 20s, and at that time, I guess he thought he was bisexual, but then went for the full. Right. He realized he was totally, he was more gay. He was gay. Right.

He realized that he preferred men over women. Mm-hmm. a five or six on a Kinsey scale. Right. And how long you've been playing with him for? Pretty much the whole time that I've been seeing her. And where did you guys meet him? It was actually someone that I knew.

And I played with him a couple times. And so I was looking for a woman that was open to that. I met with a woman that was bisexual and open to that, and I found it to be a very exciting relationship, very sexually fulfilling. And so I was looking for a woman that was open to that and found her ad. Right, because you were already with this guy, and you didn't want to end that relationship, and you're a pretty honest person. Yeah, I hadn't been, we had played around a few times, and I'd let him know right up front when I was looking for. that I was, go. Where did you meet him?

I met him through some other friends that I know that are gay. Okay. I have some friends that are gay. And they obviously know that you're by. Yeah, they know. I mean, my gay friends know. And, I mean, it's just totally, just her friendship, you know, nothing else than that.

Right. But so you got her involved with this situation right from the beginning because she was open to it and you knew that because of her ad, which was great. So she knew you were already involved with a guy and you guys started all three getting it on. Yeah, except she doesn't, that was her other thing, was she didn't want to be involved when it was, came to. she just likes to watch and masturbate.

Uh-huh. And that was from the beginning. Right. You know, she and I would have, sometimes have sex afterwards or, you know, the next day or whatever. And, but she, from the beginning, she just preferred to watch. Do you guys talk about her sexual, like, like what's going on with her sexually now, like the menopause thing that's happening to her? It's perimenopause most likely. She, because unless she...

Yeah. Well, she's talked to her doctors and stuff. She says that sex is uncomfortable and, or at least intercourse, penetration-wise. Uh-huh. And medicine that they have are on, but so far it hasn't turned it around yet. How long has she been on her medicine for? Like, is she on, like, I'm assuming she's on hormones? Yeah.

I'm not sure what the medicines are that they have her on, but, uh, It's probably been for nine. This has been going on for, I guess she started about a year and a half ago. Eight or nine months she's been on the medications, and it doesn't seem to be doing anything yet. She should try. I don't know if she's on like regular hormones, but there's something called bioidentical hormones,

which are much more natural. They're plant-based hormones, and they're much better for you. And when you do, when you... Hold on. Yeah. Hold on one second. Sure. Let me rip.

what did you call it? Bioidentical hormones. Bioidentical hormones or plant-based hormones. And they go like people that do, you know, prescribe bioidentical hormones, the way that they do it is they figure, I mean, it takes about a year to get the exact concoction from you, but I'm told that right off the bat, you start to feel the changes from it.

They're plant-based hormones instead of these animal-based hormones that people take, the ones that regular doctors give people, the regular hormone replacement therapy that they give menopausal women is a lot of times it's just they give them a straight dose a dose that they give like everybody else you know and everybody's body is very different what bioidentical hormones is all about is like they dose you according to your exact hormones and your levels to get your hormones even with plant-based hormones which are much more healthy for your body they're not the ones that cause cancer and all that stuff And it takes a while to get you balance, a woman balance, but it definitely makes a very big

difference. Sometimes it's hard to find. There's a lot of quacks out there that prescribe them. But they're definitely like doctors, real doctors. You want to find a real doctor that prescribes them that it covers, that, you know, takes your insurance. It winds up to be like a little bit, maybe less than $100 a month, you know, which is not a bad deal.

And like I said, it's a compounded hormones for, you. specific body to make her completely like level and it's a very big help to women. I'm looking into it for myself because I'm 46 and I definitely feel like I'm getting into pari menopause because I'm very body conscious so I feel that's up and I to me it's not an option to just let sex go. Do you know what I'm saying? I think I I gather that it's different for each woman. For some women they don't really have these issues.

But a lot of women do. No, a lot of women do. They go through it. But this is the thing that when menopause, when she gets into menopause, it changes. A lot of times the perimenopause stage, the change before the actual is the hardest part. Some women say they get into, it could be 12 years. I hate to say it. It could be, you know, four to 12 years, two to 12 years.

They say all kinds of crazy things. Every woman is different. For perimenopause? Yeah. For like, yeah, until she get, the way, the way they sort of distinguish the phases is perimenopause is when things start to change. Pena Paz is when you've gone a whole year without your period, right? But women, that doesn't happen off the bat.

What happens is it start, maybe you go, maybe one month you get it two times, or maybe you miss it one month. And for years, it just starts to dwindle off. And you're not in full-fledged menopause until you have not had a period for a whole year. But that process of like, you know, your period's going whacked and your hormones going whacked and getting hot flashes and all that shit and your sexual horniness getting crazy. that thing could happen anywhere from two years to like 10 years. And that actually is the worst time for women because once you get into menopause and you're

leveled out with less hormones, at least your level. But it's the, I call it Perry fucking menopause because it's really bad. It throws you into a fucking tizzy and it's not good. And so many women, I think, because they have aged thing. No one wants to admit they're in menopause or they don't want menopause. Like bring it on because peri menopause is 10 times worse because it's like that, Right. That's where it throws you a lot more.

I believe very much in bioidentical hormones for that phase, like I was about to say before, I don't, I think sex is something that's so wonderful. It's not something you should ever throw out the window as a woman. You should do everything you can to keep that in your life and keep it healthy, you know, and figure it out so that it works, you know? She still is turned on and aroused by sex. Right. So she's not wanting the intercourse.

Right, because the inside of her vage like gets all fucked up. That's what happens. It gets thinner and stuff. And that's where it because of the lack of estrogen and the lack of hormones and stuff. It's like really, I want to write a book about it because it's hilarious. Nobody women don't talk about this stuff. Like I said, I talk to women that are older than me because I'm 46 and I'm starting to feel different things go on and I'm talking to women that are older than me and they, no one wants to talk about.

I'm like, why don't women talk about the shit that goes down? Because I Google to find out everything and there's like vaginal atrophy and I'm like, my God, these all these horrible things that nobody tells you about. Like, why don't we fucking know this? And why aren't we armed with information to sort of help us deal with it? You know, and like, thankfully, there are people that do talk about it. But it is, like, scary what happens. And, um, well, it is.

Before she went in menopause, we had wonderful. I mean, we have a great relationship that's, we get along all the time. And, um, other than this little sexual hiccum, we're having right now. Uh-huh. Before this, I felt like, like, I'm kind of her fetish and she's just, you know. Maybe she needs to, listen, when your body changes like that and stuff, listen, the good news is I, I have a friend who told me that once you go into full-fledged menopods,

the sex is like nothing you've ever experienced. Like, she found it to be better sex than she's ever had in her whole life, like, mind-blowing. And I find that for me, now that things are changing, that. I'm getting inside orgasms that are a lot more stronger than outside. And that's a very new thing for me. And it's amazing. So I think sometimes you just have to change with your body. And maybe for her, like you say, that she's got this, just this fetish thing,

she maybe has to start to, I don't know, try different things to turn her on maybe. I don't know. Yeah. I'm open to any suggestions. Right. And I'm sure she probably is too. but with our hormones being out of whack, just not just the sex thing.

It's like it also emotionally affects you, you know? Men don't understand this. They think, oh, PMS, like what the fuck? Like, it is a hormonal thing. Like, we deal with it our whole lives. We understand this as women because we go through her periods every month and we get PMS and you definitely feel a shift and you get more agitated.

And it is hormonal. It's not women aren't fucking mental. It's like a hormone thing. I've, believe me, I've seen that I've been around women in my whole life. Right, but guys just think that we're irrational. but like, you know, if you lost all your testosterone, okay, and that got fucked up, like you would feel a shift. You would feel different. You would be more agitated, whatever that is.

You know, when you get hormonally imbalanced, it definitely affects your mood and stuff like that. So it's a real thing that happens to women. It's not crazy. It's a physical thing. It's not in their fucking heads. It's like in their hormones and it's a physical thing that happens. But nowadays, there are things that could help. it and you know that could help and I think that women should do everything that they can just

for themselves and for their relationships you know because look like you guys have a good thing going you know you don't want this sexual thing to you know ruin your relationship right you're sticking in there you want to help but you're on Craigslist looking for help for this because you don't want to lose her but you're not getting completely satisfied in your relationship and you're not one to go stray like some guys will just go fuck somebody else but that's not your thing No, that's not my thing And I mean, I enjoy the Sexual

Gratification I'm getting currently Don't get me wrong, I like that play But that's Not the main menu You want the girl action You want action with the woman too You want penetration and you're not getting that Right

And yeah, and I want more of that Than the guy on guy Yeah, you're gonna blow jobs are wonderful. I love getting a blow job, and men give wonderful blow jobs. Right. And I love giving one. But that doesn't need to be, that's not all of it.

That's just, that's like an appetizer. That's exactly. Yeah, the same thing. Orderv appetizer. Same thing. Exactly. That's just the first course. That's not the whole meal.

Right. So, yeah, you're like missing out big time. You know, you just have to listen to me. You just have to stick with it with her. She might have to see a different doctor. Her doctor just might not be prescribing her the right medication. You know, if he's giving her regular hormones, it's just a lot of times it's a one size-fits-all mentality. And that's not the way that it goes with hormones.

You know, she needs to find. I wrote this down, bioidentical hormone treatment. And I will mention it to her. Yeah, there's a woman, Dr. Christine Northrop. She should look into her books and read up on that because she's always been somebody on the forefront of like this issue for women talking about it, trying to get women to, you know, do different things to help themselves. Because listen, all kinds of cancers, all kinds of terrible things come from it. Like it's all comes from a hormone imbalance. So the best thing you could, adding one could do for themselves is to always try their hardest to keep their hormones completely balanced.

That's why we age. That's why we get cancer. That's why everything gets fucked up because your hormones get out of whack and you're losing them as you get older. Men too. Men lose testosterone and shit goes down. But for women, it's a lot worse because we have the estrogen drop in estrogen creates all kinds of problems. And that vaginal atrophy is horrifying. I don't have it yet, but I read up on this stuff.

and I see that it's coming and I'm just like, what the fuck? Like, you need to do something about it because it's terrible that sex is painful for women, you know? And like you say, she's actually still horny, but she can't have penetration. I'm sure she wants it as much as you do, you know? So she's got to find solutions out there because there are women that go through this and like you said, some of them don't have it as bad, but a lot of them do. And there are women out there that have solved those problems. For me, I Google until I find the answers.

I, you know, so she has to just keep trying. until she finds the right doctor and the right medication to fix that issue so she could or, you know, figure out how she can make it work so that you guys could have a more healthy sex life. Yeah, that's why I posted that. I was looking for some advice. I figured there might be some women that understand. Well, you could go online and read stuff too. There's all kinds of forms out there and women that talk about that.

I've read and I've no more about menopause. than I thought I ever would over the last several months. That's great. That's cool of you to do. Well, I think it's something we both have to work with. And she's one of her friends is a little older than her, and she's already been through it, and I guess been through the perimenopause process.

And she has a rejuvenated sex drive. That's what I told you. you, I've heard that once that clicks over, that they actually have a whole new rejuvenated sex. And I've heard that it's 10 times better. It's a whole different kind of sex. So that's the good news. And hopefully her perimenopause won't happen.

Do you know how long it's been since she had? Does she go three months without having a period? Do you know anything about that? Yeah, she's been longer than that. Well, that's good because the longer she goes, it's like when she goes a full, year, then the perimenopause will stop. Like, what's the longest she's been so far? Oh, I think, I don't know when the last time, I think their last time was just a little

spotting. Okay, so she's like almost there. What's that? So she's almost at the, like, she's almost like totally in menopause because she's gone almost a whole year without having a period. Right. Right. So that's good.

That's, that's the good news because once she's, she gets on the other side, she could hopefully be one of those women that has that rejuvenation or she could go on some bioidentical hormones. And now that she's just in menopause and there's not so much fluctuation, she could get on some bioidentical hormones that keep her a little bit more level, give her some estrogen and stuff so that she could, you know, become more lubricated and build up her lining on the inside. So it's not so painful for her. Sorry I'm not so much help because I haven't fully gotten to that place, but I'm Googling it myself because it's coming up for me.

And, you know, it's a scary thing for a woman. Yeah, I would be terrified if I don't know. But, no, but there's good news because it's only for a certain period of time. I never, I'm not a fatalistic person, really. Like, to me, I'm like, okay, like, it might be something that you go through for a couple of years, but there are women that, you know, cure it, fix it, move on, have better sex lives than ever. And that's what you have to keep the hope for.

Like, I'm never going to accept that, oh, I'm just going to lose my, like, you know, sex life and that's it. And I'm just going to give into it. And I think a lot of people, women have that attitude. They just think, oh, it hurts. I'm not going to do it. And they just give it up for a good. That's not an option for me.

And it shouldn't be for anybody because I think sex is just a part of life. And it's really healthy and it's really great. And it's a pleasurable thing. And like I said, there's women out there that learn how to make it work for them after. And they have better sex lives. And that's what every woman should have. So if other women have that, I'm going to have that. And so should you're a girl.

So you guys just got to keep looking. Actually, since I posted that, she talked to one of one of her friend, the friend that I said has already been through it. And actually, we talked together. Her friend came over. Uh-huh. They talked, and I was part of the conversation. And that gave me a lot of, a lot to hope for. That's great.

What was her advice? Well, she's just keep it together until she makes it through. And she gave her her doctor's number. That's great. She's going to contact her doctor. That's good. I guess she liked her gynecologist that she has, but she's going to. She should switch because, listen, if someone hasn't helped you in nine months,

doesn't mean that that person's batted. Maybe they're just not doing something right. have to go to somebody else. That's what I believe. You know, you've got to be, you've got to solve your problem. So if that person, she gave that person a good enough try for nine months. If she doesn't feel any different and things are still going back, she should probably try somebody else.

And it's great word of mouth, you know, that she's going to her friend's doctor who you know, has been through it successfully. Yeah. That's smart. Yeah, and it gave me a lot. Yeah, well, that's good. That's what you need at this point. You need to just stick it through. And I wanted, that's one of the reasons.

I wanted to go ahead and do this. Your strictly anonymous podcast with you. I thought maybe there might be some women listening that might have advice also. Yeah, I need that advice. Let's both do a shout out to women. Please, email me. I need the advice of what's coming up, what I could do. Where are those good, like I told you, there's a lot of bioidentical hormone doctors

that are just like big scam artists and they won't take your insurance and they'll charge you a lot of money, but there's like urologists, endocrinologist, not just gynecologist. Like there's a lot of different kinds of doctors that get into the bioidentical hormones. So like I said, it could be a urologist. It could be an endocrinologist. It could be an internist. But as long as you go to someone who's really a doctor and prescribes them, it's a really great deal.

And it's not even that expensive anymore. And it's the best kind of hormone therapy that a woman could have. And it really changes women's lives. So if she could find somebody like that, that'd be really great. Maybe that woman's gynecologist does that. You know, you just don't know until she goes in and talks to her. Yeah, I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't think she's set up an appointment yet, but I think she's and has every intention of it.

I think it's so great that, you know, I mean, I think we lost a lot of people listening to this podcast once we started talking about periods and perimenopause. Like we went from blowjobs and threesomes and foursums to like periods and perimenopause. And probably a lot of guys were like, oh my God. probably lost a lot of your listeners totally probably a lot of people were like why the fuck did you guys they're like all horny with all your hot stories right and then they're like oh my god

how do we get to talking about periods but I think it's really interesting what happened to that podcast it went astray no but I think it's really interesting and I think it's really great that you're so involved in you know with your girl and trying to solve this problem with her

and that you guys discuss it and you discuss it with other women and you're out there looking to to find a solution as well. I think that's great. Yeah. Well, I think it's a problem that, it's definitely a problem. I mean, I,

I enjoy the play that I've been getting, but there's something missing there. So, yeah. And, and, I mean, it's wonderful. I found a woman that's not just accepting of this, but loves it to such a degree. Right.

It's not going to be easy to find. So you have to stick with her. Actually, I think there's, there is a change in, because she also reads male, male romance novels. Right. She, you know, she's very into that. That's her major pronoun. And I've always felt like, I mean, like she, I'm adored by her, and I'm like her perfect fetish man. Right.

You know. Yeah, totally. And she makes me feel appreciated. Yeah. And she's not going to want to lose you. Listen, as hard as it is for you to find her, it's even harder for her to find a guy like you, okay? Like I said, not only just because you're by and that's exactly what she's looking for, but you're, like, pretty open, but you're also really monogamous. You're a great communicator.

You're like a guy that's really, you know, involved in trying, instead of just leaving her during this problem. or you know you're like they're trying to help her like that's a hard that's a great guy like most women would want to have a guy like that but on top of it you're by and you satisfy all her fantasy so you know i'm sure she doesn't want to lose you either like you guys are a good pair and i'm rooting for you to make it through this phase and i think you just have to stick with it and as long as your girl is on it and trying to figure it out like i think that that's great and eventually she will find the solution And I'd like you to keep me posted. A lot of times I do follow-ups with people. I like this subject. I like the perimenable subject. I don't care that we took a sharp right turn into period talk because it's interesting to me. And I think that women should talk about it.

And I think, you know, there are some listeners still listening and are curious. And a lot of men probably don't even realize that this is what's going on with their women right now, men and your age range. Yeah, I think men need to be more involved in that, too. They need to understand it. Yeah, not just think that their women's crazy and they're, you know, and women, I think, should understand that they're not crazy and they shouldn't just give up sex and they should look into it and try to figure something out so they could keep their relationships going. Right.

So keep me posted of what happens. If I get any information from any women that are listening or any men that are listening as far as what, you know, they've done to get through the perimenopause stage successfully, I will send it on to you. Like I said, we both need that information at this point. Yeah, that's true. Well, Kathy, you have a wonderful Labor Day weekend. I will. You too, Adam.

Thanks so much for calling in and good luck and keep me posted. Okay, thanks. Good luck. Bye. All right. Bye-bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly anonymous confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers,

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