Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1020 - Veronica Started Swinging Solo, Hooked-up with Couples , Had Threesomes and More and Then Stopped it All

Episode Date: January 27, 2025

Veronica started swinging solo, hooking-up with couples, having threesomes and more and then stopped it all and she called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including how and why she wound up on adult websites looking for hook-ups with men and found a couple, the first couple she met and hooked up with at a swingers club and exactly what went down, how and when realized she was an exhibitionists, her first time going down on a woman and how she felt about it, her first experience at the swingers club solo and what went down and how it was very different then she expected, the couple she met and how and when she started copping feelings for the guy, the first time she hooked up with him solo without the girlfriend and what went down, when she started getting jealous seeing him with other women, how and why they eventually stopped hooking up, the threesome with two guys she had early on, the fishbowl room she would hang out in at the swingers club and what would go down in there, what she looked for in guys to hook up with at the club and how she would reject the guys she wasn’t into, the guy who went down on her in the middle of a swinger’s party while everyone watched, the couple both went down on her and how she loved it, how and why she decided to leave lifestyle, how couples inadvertently treat unicorns badly and what they should do instead, how and why she’s now losing her sex drive, how she learned so much and was empowered by being in lifestyle plus a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of VERONICA plus my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order https://shop.butterwellness.com/pages/vday Get 20% off your The Perineum Massager by Butter Wellness. Go to butterwellness.com and use the code “STRICTLY” at checkout for 20$ off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcas Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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She went on websites looking for people. The first time she went to a swingers couples with a couple, she met on a website. And she talks all about it. All her hookups. crazy stuff that she did while she was there. She doesn't go anymore and she talks about like what she learned while she was there, how it empowered her. She talks about being a unicorn and she talks about the pros and cons of that and the

cons are super interesting. People always need to hear the cons from the unicorn because she's not the first unicorn to talk about them. So listen up. If you're a couple looking for a unicorn, you want to hear what she says so you could not do it because there's unicorn etiquette that needs to be told. Okay, she's going to talk about that. Her story is super interesting.

Like I said, it comes full circle at the end where we really talk about really what came of her through this stint of her going into the lifestyle solo and how it changed her for the better. So it's super interesting. I have picks of her over my Patreon. You could go there to see them patreon.com slash strictly anonymous. But anyway, I'm going to get right to it and be right back on with Veronica. Hi, Veronica. Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast.

How are you today? Hi, I'm great. Thank you for having me. So Veronica, you're a single gal. you've been single your whole life and you've been having fun, I would say. You're like, you went into the lifestyle solo, I'm assuming, if you never had a, like, if you never got married or anything, did you enter into the lifestyle solo? Because what you are is you've been a unicorn, you've gone to swingers clubs and all that

kind of good stuff. Did you start that with a partner or not? Interestingly, I wanted to start it with a partner. I was dating someone at the time and he brought it up. And then for whatever reason, we ended up breaking up a few months later, you know, I wasn't expecting that. And I thought, I still want to go. So I, uh, I was going to go by myself, but I ended up finding a friend. A girlfriend? Yeah, in a, uh, in a PTSD support group, if you can believe it. Oh, come on. Those are always the girls that are good in bed, the mental ones. You know,

the crazy girls. Everyone knows that. Right. Well, it turns out she's, she was pretty active in the BDSM lifestyle. She's a, uh, a dominatrix type person. So she was like, absolutely. I'm I'm in. Let's go. So we did. All right, but wait, let's dial it back a little bit just so I could get like your backstory. So you've never been married, right? Now, were you always like into kinky sex and you always were like super curious. Like why all of a sudden wanting to go to the club? Well, I was married briefly and I've had like two long term relationships, but there's like decades in between it seems like. So, and I'm a Scorpio. So I've always been a very sexual person. Yeah. And I grew up in a house where basically, you know, sex was bad, sex was dirty. And. And I grew up in a house where basically, you know, sex was bad. Sex was dirty. that kind of thing. So I was stifled a lot in my life. So I was doing a lot of like regular bars, whatever, one night stands. And it's just, it sucked. But then when I met this guy and he was talking about this, I thought, oh, this could be cool. So I kind of just came to it organically. I had no idea what to expect. And I thought, I'll try it out. And if it's scary or awful, I just won't go again. That was kind of how I looked at it.

Let me ask you a question. How old were you at this time when you met that guy? and you decided to start doing it. Let's see. I thought it was in 2015. So, gosh, 40? Okay, so 40. And just so you know, you're like fucking hornier than ever at that time. And you're only going to get hornier as the time goes by, by the way.

I did not know that. But I heard your, I heard your episode about that. And I was like, that explains it. Yes. Yes. Yeah. It's like a new coming of age, right? Here you are 40 years old and like starting to live your life.

Okay. So you want, how do you bring it up to this girl? I mean, did she have, had she told you the PTSD girl, like, had she told you she was Dominicic? So that's why you asked her? Or, I mean, how do you bring it up to some chick? Like, hey, do you want to go to a sex club with me? Well, it came up in the therapy sessions, right? Because she's talking about things that happened to her.

And unfortunately, she suffered some pretty shitty trauma having to have to do with sex when she was young. And for whatever reason, this allowed her to get her power back. So she talked about it openly in the group. And so, you know, we started. started kind of talking offline and then just kind of I brought it up and there you go and she was totally down with it. Yeah, love it. Okay, so walk me through that first night. Now, are you going, like, did you research like swinger clubs in your area? Did you go to a swinger club, a hotel takeover, a swinger party? Well, I only knew about the one club at the time. So that was the one

I went to and it's a huge club. But my first time there actually was with a couple because at the same time I had started going on like SLS and you know, FetLife and whatnot, scouting out friends with benefits and whatnot and ended up with this couple. And we had played once at their house. And so we decided to go to the club together. I brought it up to them. Okay, but you just told me you went to your first club with that girl. And I was mistaken because I'm old and I forget the order of thing sometimes. Yeah, we can go from that girl to the couple. Okay, wait, which came first, the couple or the girl? Tell me, just answer that question and then I'll figure out where to start

him again. Sorry, going to the club with the couple. Oh, okay. So, let's get so before you go to the club, okay, we can't get past the fact that you wind up going on these very adult websites looking for naughty hookups, correct? Yes, yes. Okay, so that's

like your naughty side. I mean, had you ever done that before or this was new for you too? No, that was new for me because when the guy broke up with me, we'd only been dating for like three months, the sex was really great and I'm like, well, fuck, do I have to be celibate now just because I don't have a boyfriend? And I was like, no.

I'd never really embraced casual sex. And I thought, well, why haven't I? You know, like, because of the Catholic upbringing and all that kind of crap, you know? Yeah. And I decided I was throwing that out the window. So that's how that started. Okay, so you go on a couple websites. Now, my website that I always pitch out, I got to do my shameless plug, would, because people

can get a free trial is SDC, right? And if you go into, use my code 37712, you get a free trial on SDC or just go to the description, click on the link. You had said you did SLS and FETLife, or those the two you went on? And then adult friend finder, there was like three or four, but yeah, those were the main ones. Wow, so you really went at it. I did. And now, let me ask you.

Yeah, well, what were you looking for? Men, women, couples. And if it was women, too, had you ever hooked up with a woman before? I had not. And I was looking for men to start with. And given my age, I was kind of like into the cougar thing. Yeah. I had always been curious about women.

Like when I was younger, I wondered if I was gay because I found myself attracted to women. But I've since realized it's just because they're beautiful and they're soft and they're different. And I have had female experiences now, probably like three, I don't know, four or five different women. Yeah. And I realize women are fun to play with, but I want to date and be with men. That's just what feels natural to me. Yeah. What better way to know whether you're gay or not than to go there than then you found out, right?

Yeah, I think that's cool. Yeah. All right, cool. So you go online and now you're looking for men, but somehow you find a couple. Yeah, because, you know, when you put your profile out there, you're fresh meat, God and everybody comes at you. Especially if you're a chick. You're not fresh meat if you're a guy. Nobody's hitting you up. But if you're a girl, forget about it. True story. And a single girl to boot. And saying that you're open to females. So that, yeah, definitely opens the door. Okay. So what was this couple all about? They had been together for like a year. She was like hippie-dippy, which I thought, was just so adorable. And he was a guy who had like never had sex until he was married. And then

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So we played at their house one time. And then I brought up the idea of the club. They were all over it. and so we went. Okay. So, and now what is the plan? Are you like, we're going to like, I'm going to get it on with this couple at the club? We really didn't make a plan, but I will tell you that the minute we walked in, the dude took off his pants and that was it.

Like, he was just ready to go. And he's literally walking around. I think he was completely naked, very quickly. Yeah. But there was this big room off to the side and there were lots of beds and there was like an apparatus. of all kinds. And we just, he and the woman, his girlfriend, started going at it on the bed.

And then after, and I'm watching. And then a few minutes later, he comes over to me. And he, like, just very lightly says in my ear, may I take off your pants? And I was like, yes. And so then I joined them. And then a few minutes later, I look up and there's like 20 people just, like, standing around watching.

And I would have thought I would have been mortified, embarrassed, self-conscious. I was none of those things. I was into it. I was hot and I couldn't believe that I wasn't like being shy about it. I was just open. It was fantastic. Yeah, wow.

It's a lot of first all at once, right? But all of it was good. Yeah. Surprisingly, I just, I didn't expect that for myself. I just kind of like let it all happen and it turned out to be wonderful. Yeah, well, I guess you're a little bit of an exhibitionist. You do like to be watched. I do.

Now, what about when you were watching them? Do you also like, like, are you voyeuristic? Like, do you like to also watch people getting it on? I do. And honestly, I mean, my whole life, whenever I've masturbated, it started out with reading, like, reading an erotic story. Yeah. And then it evolved into porn. And now I basically never masturbate without porn.

I do like the visual. I like the sounds. I like all of it. Right. Okay. So, but what was that like being in that swears club? I mean, because did you have sex all around you as well? Oh, yes.

Yeah. There were different couples going. And the guy that we were with, turns out he was either exploring or was bisexual. So at one point, I look over and he's getting a blowjob from this dude. And I had never seen that before. That kind of took me back. But I was like, hey, this is what it's about, you know? Yeah.

And listen, a lot of clubs don't allow that. That's cool that that club did because I think it's kind of crazy that even in the Swinger community, sometimes there's a stigma around guy action. So that's cool that that was allowed, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, as long as consent was had and everybody was into it, There was, there was no restrictions that I knew of. Okay.

So now you fuck that couple. Did you go down on the girl? Did you do anything with her too that time? Yeah. At that point, I was, what, a pillow princess, I think? I've heard the, at that point, no. And she didn't either. And so that was fine.

We had that agreement. But I worked myself up to that and I ended up finding a woman on one of the sites. And she and I got together, liked each other, hung out one night, had some wine, and decided to go for it. And she was in the same boat, I wish. She had never done it. I had never done it.

We did it to each other. And I was like, oh, this isn't bad. It's really no different than when a guy goes down on you and then you kiss afterwards. It's like the same. Right. Well, you went down on her, right? I did. I did.

And I just remember thinking, oh, this isn't gross. Yeah. Did you like it? Did you enjoy it? Or it was like, give or take? Give her take. Give her take. And unfortunately, she was a little too drunk for me to have enjoyed myself.

But that's okay because that opened the door. and I did then have future experiences that were awesome. With women? Yes. Okay. And it was always usually around a woman and a man, but, you know, obviously men like to watch women do that. So it was kind of always a threesome. Yeah, I get it.

So let's keep going chronologically because more women will come into play, right? So that couple, you're hooking up with them. Did you start going to that club after that first experience or continue to hook up with that couple? Yes. Well, not them, actually. that kind of faded away because he and I tried to play solo and it was just weird. Yeah. We didn't have a groove just ourselves.

So that's where the friend from the support group came in. And she and I started going by ourselves. And we didn't play with each other. But, you know, we would come there and we were basically having each other's back. And sometimes she'd go off and do her thing. I'd go off and do my thing. We'd always meet up just to make sure if it was okay. You know, she was doing her dominatrix thing and having great luck with it.

and there were times when I would watch her. She's super orgasmic, which is so annoying when you're not. Right, you're jealous, right? You're like, I want to do that. Yeah, she's standing at the bar and this guy comes up and asks if he can finger her. And she comes like four times in like five minutes. It was annoying. Yeah, I do jealous.

But good for her. Yeah. It's her superpower. Yeah, so we started going like every Friday and Saturday night for probably six months or a year. Now, keep in mind, I'm over. 40. So me staying out till 5 in the morning, that's not normal. But you get caught up in it. It's wonderful. Yeah. Well, because like what time does the party really get started in a swingers club? It's not like the minute you get there. Everyone's fucking, right? Like it kind of takes. That's what I've heard. I've never been to one. But they, what I've learned is that, you know, everyone gets there in the beginning. People are more socializing. And then as a night progresses, it gets more like sex starts to happen. Right. Probably about 11 is when the sex and stuff start. Yeah. Because people. start getting there around nine or ten.

This one that we have here, it's a B-Y-O-B, so they have a bartender, but you bring your own alcohol, you have a sticker so they know it's yours, and they make your drink. So people are drinking for the first couple hours, and then they start kind of like hooking up and whatnot. But that's the other thing, is that I had no idea what to expect. I mean, when I was younger and whatnot, my idea of a sex club was like dark and dingy and come on the walls and, like, just gross. And it couldn't have been anything further from the truth.

Explain it. Yeah, yeah. And that's why I wanted to kind of do this, too, is to tell people, if you're scared to go, uh-uh, it's a nightclub. It's a huge dance floor. It's a bar. The rooms are usually like down corridors and off. So you can just like be in a regular bar club party dance mode if you want to be. And now, yeah, sometimes there's blow jobs going on there too.

But that's just kind of the congregation area. And it's a nightclub. That's really all it is. With sex going down. But it didn't seem sleazy as what you're saying. like you just didn't get that vibe. It's not sleazy at all. And as a matter of fact,

there's the one that I went to, and I've seen a couple online, they look like they kind of all follow the same motif. They, you know, they decorate. There's lights. The lights are always low, of course. The rooms, the individual rooms that you can go to are themed a lot of times.

Sometimes there's doors. Sometimes there's not. Sometimes there's a sheer covering. So, you know, you can invite people to watch to join whatever you want. But yeah, it's just, it's a nice, well-kept, place to be. And did you feel like the people were welcoming? Oh my gosh. I'm not a small person and I've always been, you know, the thought of walking around and people seeing my flesh was just abhorrent to me. And no, everybody there is so welcoming. Nobody's shaming anybody for body type, size, whatever.

It's, I used to call it my happy place because there, I never worried about not feeling like I was enough or good enough. Yeah, that's amazing, right? And you probably also, what I think is what a lot of people don't understand is you're less likely to get, have someone be inappropriate in a swingers club than in a regular bar, right? It is absolutely true. And it seems like counterintuitive, but it is so true because nobody wants to get kicked out because it's so fun, right? So they're all like minding their peas and cues. Now, I did have a guy who was inappropriate with me, but I had made friends with the like head bouncer guy and the owners of the club just by accident. And so when that happened, I was immediately on the phone with him telling him, hey, you need to talk to this guy. It turned out other women had had the same experience, and he got banned. Right, right. So they take care of you.

Okay, so now you're going all the time with that girl. Like, are you doing multiple guys when you're there? Like, what are you doing now when you're going there solo with your girlfriend? Like, what kind of hookups are you having? Mine may have been a little less raunchy and crazy than some people's, but sometimes we didn't do anything. It was just a lot of watching. Other times, I was also.

kind of looking for a single guy. They do allow some in. There's like a ratio. Yeah. Like 10 guys to every couple or something. Yeah. Uh, or anyway.

So I was kind of looking for a guy that would, we could do that in the beginning, like do this watching, swapping, whatever, and kind of like have those memories then for later on in a relationship to go back to. I found out pretty quickly, that's not possible. So that was, that was my own wish list that just isn't going to happen. You can't tell a guy, okay, we're going to do the club. beginning and then we're not. No. Yeah. I mean, oh, so, oh, so that fantasy of yours was we go, we get a whole bank of all this stuff that we could use later, some porn scenarios, and then,

but then we're just monogamous with each other and we never go there again. Yes, the idea was, you know, six months or a year later, it's just us. Oh, yeah, that's like backwards. That's like backwards relationship. Nobody bit on that idea, as you can imagine. But I ended up meeting my favorite person in the whole three years, I was in the lifestyle. And he and his girlfriend were there. She noticed me right when I walked in. They liked my hairstyle. So that was kind of like the conversation starter.

Yeah. And I was talking with her. She was already drunk and she was a spitter, which she was real. I mean, I liked her, but it's like, dude, back, back up. Wait, wait. What do you mean a spitter or a spinner? Well, like when she was drunk and she would get really close to you and she would spit. Oh, a spitter.

Not a spinner. Not a spinner. I thought you meant a spinner like a short little girl that you could spin around when you're fucking her. You made a spit a spitter. She would spit on your face. Oh, my, yeah, that's gross. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, I just kind of had to learn to keep my head back a little bit.

But the guy was literally the hottest guy in the place. And I was like, oh, my God, if I could get with him. But he wasn't paying me any attention. And I was like, well, all right, he's not interested. No big deal. But then that time I was there with a different girl, with the first. first girl that I had gone down on, she and I had gone that night. Yeah. And the girl that I was talking to, liked my girl, so those two went off together and were doing whatever on a pool table. And,

and there was a crowd around them and there was some chocolate sauce and, you know. Wow. So he and I were just kind of talking. And I had a date coming up. I was talking to him about my dating life and whatnot. And he was like, you know, you just, you are okay. As you are, don't ever let anyone tell you that you're not enough or blah blah all these like kind of like a dad in a way he was older than me not i'm like five or six years but um it was just i loved how he was taking an interest right yeah and then we're talking i'm talking blah blah blah all of a sudden he just cuts me off and he goes you know i'm ridiculously attracted to you right and i was like oh i had no words i had no words and i just started laughing and then when i composed myself i was like well so can i

kiss you and he was like yeah and it was you know fireworks going off and that was the start of he and i unfortunately by the time that happened in the night uh it was getting really late and he needed a large condom and they were all gone so yeah yeah very nice and so we ended up arranging he got a hotel room for us the night after and that was the start so us meaning you and him no girlfriend right and i'm the first one apparently they were together for three 13 years at that point, I was the first girl that she ever let him go somewhere alone with. Oh, interesting. Did you ever wind up hugging up with a girlfriend too or always just with him solo? No, I wasn't attracted to her. And I don't know, it wasn't the spitting. It was just overall.

She was attracted to me, though. So the three of us were together and she would go down on me. And I would kiss her, but I just wasn't into her. And I was honest with her in a nice way. And, you know, she didn't like it, but whatever, she was okay with it. Are they still together? Because I know you still, it sounds like you're still hooking up with this guy. I'm not I haven't seen him in several years but no I actually I actually found out they split up maybe a couple of year or so ago and she like moved out of state so I think what finally happened is she finally said all right I want to be your girlfriend and he was probably like nope so right well we don't care about them but so you because when you said oh I met the guy I liked the most so in all these times you're not still with him but that was like the guy that you connected with the most and all of the guys that you connected with the most and all of you. of these hookups when you're going to the club is what you're saying. Both, actually, because he was coming to my house, usually like once a month, and that was obviously just me and him, but at the club, he always went on Friday nights or they always went on Friday nights. So whenever he was there,

I certainly was like beeline to him because the sex was just out of this world. I mean, I've, had a lot of sex in my life, and that by far with him was number one. I don't know what it was, because it wasn't like acrobatic or anything. It was just so good that I always kind of beeline to him. And then I was like, well, maybe I should take a back seat. I don't want to monopolize him. That can push him away. He does still want to do other girls.

So I kind of had to balance it. And I'll be honest, that got hard to do after a while because I'd see him go off with someone. And I didn't like that. Oh, interesting. You started to start to go off feelings for him. Yeah. Yeah. So I started like going to the club on Saturday night because I knew he wouldn't be there.

and that way I could still see him on my own, and I didn't have to worry about seeing him with other girls. It seemed to work out okay. The whole thing with he and I, though, I always had to reach out to him. He would never reach out to me. And after like seven months of that, I was like, I'm done.

I deserve to feel desired too. And by the way, you're the one that told me that. So basically, if you're not going to ask, we're done. And I never heard from him again. Well, that's probably better for you, because you were, I think, wanting something more than he could have given to. He couldn't even give it to that girl probably.

You know what I mean? He wasn't rude. That is true. Well, in about six months after that, there was another club in town that I didn't like as much. It's still around. But I was there and I didn't expect ever to see them there, but they were. And I was talking with the girlfriend, catching up, whatever.

And she's like, oh, you need to come to my birthday party and spend the night. And I'm like, no, I think I'm not going to do that. She's like, well, but you can have what? You can, oh, I would have said his name. Yeah, it does. You can have my guy. She's like, you can have my guy again. And I was like, yeah, I don't think he'd be interested in that.

And she's like, oh, I beg to differ. Girl, he talks about you every time we play all the time. And I'm like, really? So six months later, he's still talking about me. Want to talk about validation? There you go right there. Really? So six months later, he's still talking about me.

You want to talk about validation, there you go right there. So I think the feelings and the enjoyment of the whole situation was both ways. Yeah, and I think that you were over analyzing it because you were looking at it from like a boyfriend girlfriend's standpoint. Like you were putting rules on it that shouldn't have been. Who cares if he didn't reach out? He was used to you reaching out. You were the one that always did. That's why.

And then when you never reached out to him again, he was probably like, she's not into me. You were reading, like you were like judging him and treating him like he was boyfriend. You know what I mean? Like, oh, he's not talking to me. that's, you know, which, none. Yeah, I didn't ask for what I wanted. I didn't say, hey, I need you to ask me. I never said that.

Right, but, right, exactly. He liked you. You liked him. You were putting these extra things on it and it did, none of that mattered, you know. You could have probably been seeing him that whole time. He was into you. Listen, you know, when someone reaches out all the time, someone just gets used to that. The reason why he never reach out to you because he didn't have to.

You didn't, you, and you never told him. It's like a typical girl thing. You think, like, what is he? He probably thought you blew him off. That's probably his story. But I think also that was part of the power that he felt because he knew that he was the best ex I'd ever had because I told him. There's no power.

He wasn't purposefully having power over you. He liked fucking you. You liked fucking him. You made it a little bit too complicated because you started copping feelings and end a story. He was into you, obviously. You contacted him all the time. Okay. He's used to you contacting him.

So he never has to reach out to you. One day you stop. He doesn't. And he's like, what the fuck? Like, oh, I guess. she's not interested anymore. That's it. Not a story. Oh, but hang on, but hang on. I did tell him actually. I said, I am now going to demand that people, you know, come to me. I don't remember how I said it. So he knew that I was

never going to reach out to him again because I grabbed his face and I said, this includes you, Mr. And he, so he knew at that point he knew. He didn't know before, but at that moment he knew. And he never contacted you. Nope. Yeah, maybe he's like, maybe this girl likes me too much. I'm like that. I'm just saying that that It starts to be little rulesy. And normally in just a fun hookup scenario, no matter how great it is, there's none of that nonsense. It doesn't matter.

No. And you were right as far as the feelings going both ways because he had said something to my friend, the support group girl, and she would never tell me what the discussion was. So I think he was seeing that we had to end it because both of us were having feelings. So it ended what it needed to. Anyway, who cares about this guy? There's so many more stories you have. Forget about this guy, though.

I mean, he comes and goes. He's like great sex. But like, do you ever do like two guys a night? Are you hooking up with more couples? Do you meet more couples online? Like, what else was going on in your swinger world? Well, the funny thing is the first male, male, female that I had happened 20 years ago. It was a fluke.

I was like, I liked this guy. I was at a party. We went to a karaoke place afterwards. I decided I wanted to hook up with him. He said, okay, but I told my roommate if I hooked up that I would include him. And I was like, why the hell not? So that was kind of, I had a three-sum by accident. With two guys.

With two guys. Okay. How was that? It was actually pretty good. All of us were kind of giggling through it. The one guy that the roommate was, you know, he came in, participated and then left because it was pretty much just about me and the original guy. And it was fun.

I mean, looking back, if I was my own mother, I probably would have kicked my ass for going to two men's house without anyone with me or knowing. where I was at. But yeah, it was really fun. And I continued to see that original guy for a little bit after that. The original guy. Okay, but we don't care about 20 years ago. While you're at the club, I mean, you obviously like fuck other people after that guy and that girl, correct? Yes. Okay. So, let's get to that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So being on the websites, obviously I would hook up with guys there and there was like three of them that I actually took there as my guest and as my date. So I've introduced other people to that as well. And yeah, we would get rooms and being the exhibitionist

that I am, there is normally room for people to come by and watch and everybody liked that. So that was certainly a big plus for me. Right. Well, what about on the site? Like, are you meeting other people as well? Have you met other couples? Yes. And I, there was another couple that I spent some time with. I was actually a surrogate, a sex surrogate because the wife was pregnant and she was having a very high-risk pregnancy and she couldn't have sex and she felt bad for him. So we all got together to make sure everybody was comfortable and he would come to my house as well. And we did meet at the club one time. Right. But do you ever do like multiple guys at the club or were you more picky at the club like you needed like that kind of connection that you had with that guy? It wasn't that I was picky.

It was more one-on-one. And honestly, I just was never. approached by two. If there was a threesome going on, it was female, female, male. No, I mean like two guys in a night. I don't mean you need to be with them at the same time. I mean, listen, you're in a swinger club all night. You know, sometimes I just talked to a woman and she was 57. She'd fuck three guys in one night while she's there, you know, like that's what I mean. You know, it's kind of like a free-for-all. Some people go crazy. You know, they might walk out having done two guys or three guys or one guy, two girls. I don't know. Like, were you always like a one time, a night person with one person? I don't know.

Yeah, it wasn't planned that way, but it kind of worked that way because the first couple hours you're drinking and then you're, if you hook up, you go do stuff. Well, then the club is closing. So it wasn't for lack of wanting to. It was just, it never really happened because of timing. Now, my friend would because she was just, she could just go up to some dude, not even talk to him, not even ask his name and just go fuck and then go move on to the next one. Yeah, I don't think it has to do with timing or anything.

It has to do with just the way people roll. Like everyone's different, right? Like that girl would have multiple. with bull guys in one night. Like, that was her thing. It just wasn't your thing. Right. And I wanted, needed a little conversation first to know that I felt comfortable with that

person. So, yes, our styles were very different. Yeah, I totally got it. I mean, I'm just trying to figure out if there's a gang bang in the story that I need to get to. There was not. And that's okay. It's okay.

Most girls don't have a gang bang in the story. It's totally cool. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to miss it. No, but there was lots of, like, because there was a huge room that was called the fish bowl. And it's exactly what it sounds like. There's like massive, yeah, massive mattresses in the, in the middle. And then there were rooms to the periphery.

So basically you could start in the middle and you're having sex or fooling around with people all around you doing the same thing. And then if you wanted to make it more private, you'd go off to one of the rooms on the side, on the periphery of the room. So I spent a lot of time in there. And what would you do in there? Knowing that people were watching, that was where a lot of girl girl stuff happened because that's what would get the guys all hot and bothered. So just fooling around. Actually, there was one time I was in there and there was a woman with my same name. And I knew her.

I had met her before. And she's like, wouldn't it be cool if Veronica went down on Veronica? And I was like, sure. So she did. And it was great. You and her both went down on each other while everyone was watching. Well, she just on me. And then she walked away or I would have.

Oh, okay. So listen, so you do call yourself a unicorn. You were a unicorn. I mean, to me, a unicorn. Unicorn is like a woman who hooks up with a lot of couples. Like, were there more couples in your story down the line anywhere? I mean, I know you're going to the club and you're doing people there, women and men there. Yeah.

Well, it's been a while too because 2018 was like the last time I really did this. But yes, I just thought of two more couples. And one of which, well, actually, they were both involved with management of the smaller club at different times. And I was involved with each of them. I went, oh, there was a sex swing. That's right. I forgot about that. But this one couple's, there was a sex swing at their house.

I had never tried that before. So I partook in that with her guy while she watched. And I would watch them buck. And I went down on her. She would not do it to me. So that was, but that was still fun. I mean, I liked it. I mean, you're talking about these things as if they're like no big deal and

they're not raunchy enough. Like, these are great stories you got, okay? Like, you don't realize what you got. You're like, kind of like blowing through it. like, oh yeah, there was. I'm not really that interesting as a guest, but like, but I did fuck a couple with the sex doing and I went down on his wife and she watched me when I fucked her husband. Like, I mean, come on.

These are not things that regular people do. They're interesting stories. I know. Drag them out. Paint the picture. Talk about it. I know. I'm sorry.

That's the thing is like it became so normal to me that it just seemed like any other weekend, right? Let me talk about the details. Let me ask you this. Like, is there something when it comes to men and women that you look for that you're most attracted to, like, you know, in the couples that you hook up with or the guys are the women at the club? Like, what kind of women and men do you like? Men, I like pretty boys. Always have. And so, you know, the preppy kind of jock-looking guys. Yeah. So unfortunately at our clubs here, there's a lot of like

rough around the edges, biker type, you know, older men. So it was a challenge to be able to find people that I was attracted to. Yeah, I guess. Which is why I think I gloved on to the one fellow. that became number one. Yeah. Yeah. So, and I would get approached a lot. So that was hard, too. Because, like, how do you nicely say, I don't find you attractive?

We, nobody wants to hear that. Well, how do you nicely say it? Why don't you tell people? Like, how would you say it? Well, I mean, normally there's, there's been a conversation. And he's like, well, would you like to go, you know, find a room? I was like, you know what? I'm just not feeling that spark.

But I think you're really great. There are so many women here. I think you'll be really lucky. Just, you know, keep talking to as many people as you can. because it is a numbers game too, right? Yeah, of course. Not everybody's going to want to be with you. Even on the female side.

I went up to a woman once and asked, she was the co-owner. And I talked to her and her husband several times. And I finally said to her, I said, may I kiss you? And she leaned forward and gave me a kiss on the cheek. And I was like, okay, that's how she says it. So that was okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's all different ways.

But you need to consent, right? and you have to ask people, and you have to know how to say no. Yes. Well, and the other thing to teach people is if you're interested in a guy and he's there with a girl, you must approach the girl first as far as asking if he can play. You can't ask him because, of course, he's going to say he wants to. You have to ask her. Exactly.

Yeah. And vice versa. Same with the guy going up to the couple, right? Yep. Yeah, yeah. So that's and I found that to be Enduring if that's the right word. I just I liked being respectful in that way because think of what it must have taken For them to come into that place as a couple and be willing to let someone else touch their partner

I can't imagine how hard that was must be so I wanted to respect that and it made it hotter because the women would usually be turned on by the fact that I was taking it seriously So it worked out. Right. What is the like what is like some of your hottest stories? Like I mean, is it a threesome with a couple? Is it that your time with that guy? Is it being watched in the foot the fish bowl? Like what's top of the mountain for you?

Oh, one of the hottest ones. It was with me and the favorite guy. But the girlfriend was there. And so we all three decided to go into a room. And she actually ended up passing out. So it ended up just being he and I. But he was pounding me so hard. And the beds there are.

they leave a lot to be desired. They're usually plywood with a thin little mattress on top. And I didn't realize until the next day I'm walking around. I'm like, my back hurts. What the heck? What did I do? And then I remembered, I was like, holy shit. My back hurt for a week from being pounded into that plywood.

And I didn't care. It was great. Right. Were you being watched by people or it was just because he was such a good fuck? It was that one, there was a door. So it was closed. And that was because he's such a good fuck. But the other really great one was the parties, the Halloween

party, New York City parties. There's seven or eight hundred people in this place. It's just a free for all like you were saying. Oh, you're kidding. Yeah. So one night, it was actually my birthday on the Saturday that I was there, my actual birthday. And the girl from the support group and I were there together, she runs into this guy that she used to work with. And so they had their little like, oh, my God, you're here, you're here. And then I saw him. I was like, oh, he's cute. So I just went up started talking to him. I was already drinking, so I was little, you know, liquid, courage. And I started feeding in pizza. I don't know why. And then we hooked up the rest of the night. We were back in a room with a sheer covering. The man went down on me for like an hour.

It was fantastic. I've never had anybody do it that long. And it was awesome. And the sheer, people were standing there watching all the whole time, which made it even hotter. So, you know, you're sitting there and there's this incredibly gorgeous man, licking your, Pussy and all these people are watching and oh yeah it takes just a whole different place now somehow you threw in there which is slightly disappointing because we're in 2024 and you haven't done anything since 2018 I well and I haven't and you know I got out of it for a reason okay let's talk about that well the the favorite guy kind of played a part in it because I had started catching feelings and I was worried that that would happen again. Not only that, when you're a unicorn,

you're always a third wheel. And now mind you, every couple I was with treated me wonderfully. Oh, I do have another story about the other couple I didn't mention yet. So I'll get to that. Okay, perfect. Don't forget. Get to it right after you answer this one. Okay. Yes. So everyone is wonderful to you while you're there. But the reality is that when you part ways, you're going, me, I'm going home alone. And those two are going back to their house. and they're going to fuck all night. So it gets, you feel left out. And it's not through any fault of anyone.

It's just the way it is. You're not part of their union, you know? And so you start feeling used, which is, you know, it was my own feeling about it. But it started not being fun for that reason. So I kind of just started going less and less and then I just dropped off. Well, let me tell you, I was very surprised when I had my first, like, unicorn on who talked about being a unicorn. and from that perspective that you just said. But then the minute she brought it up and she talked about it and explained it, I was like,

wow, that actually makes sense. And then ever since that, tons of unicorns bring that up. And I think what a lot of times couples don't realize is that is how the unicorn feels. And I don't think a lot of times these couples mean to do it. But there is a definite thing in the unicorn world about how they are treated and how they are left out. And like I said, I don't think that the couples necessarily do it on purpose. But when you hear it explain from the unicorn standpoint, you totally get it. And you think to yourself, oh, shit, you know, if you're a couple, you shouldn't treat that unicorn that way.

You know, because they are the third person out, you know, and it can be very lonely. And there are a lot of things that couples do to unicorns to turn them off from unicorning and the bad parts of it. And it's exactly what you talked about. Yeah, yeah. And you're right. Nobody did anything wrong. Nobody treated me poorly. It was just that's the end take that.

Now, I maybe could have asked, hey, can I come spend the night with you guys? And maybe they would have said yes. But I just never went there because I didn't want to feel like I was intruding on their relationship. Because I was very careful to keep the lines clear to respect their union. And that's cool of you as the unicorn, right? Because you don't want to be the unicorn that is overstepping the boundaries. That would make you uncool on the unicorn side. But you would want them to give you the same kind of treatment back.

Yeah, again, I didn't ask for it, right? I kind of wish that they would have intuitively known that, but I didn't ask for it. So, yeah, that's on me. No, but I've done unicorn episodes to let people know and let couples know because I don't for sure. They're in the know. And this is the reason why unicorns are so far and few between and you don't want to turn them off.

But a lot of them do feel like you. You're not the first one that has that feedback about being a unicorn. It's a real thing. Lola, who talked about squirting, who's very famous being a unicorn too. she was the person who brought it up to me first. And she's an expert and she talked all about it. And I was like, oh my God. And actually as a woman or just a human being, it makes sense that you would feel that way,

being treated that way. And a lot of couples don't know. So I think it's important for them to know, yeah, do you have to ask it sucks that you do and you didn't, you know, but you would, you know, more people need to know how to treat a unicorn if they want to keep a unicorn, you know? Well, and, I mean, there's no saying I can't get back into it someday if I want to. Yeah. Tell me about the second couple.

you said, oh, I forgot about this one couple. Sorry, sorry. So that was at the end. The girl was the manager of the club. And I had come in a few times just to like sit with her and just hang out all night because she's stuck in this little box, you know, collecting money and she was bored. So I would stay with her. And I started being attracted to her.

And I think her to me. So her and her husband approached me and asked if I would go and play. And I did. And there was this mirror room. The whole thing was covered in mirrors. That was kind of like the room to be in. So we were doing that. And I think she.

may have been the first girl that I made come, actually. And I couldn't tell because her, she like moaned the same way the whole way through. but her body did kind of like twitch in certain ways. And so I went down on her for, I don't know, five or ten minutes. And I looked back at her husband. I'm like, did she? He goes, oh, yeah. And I was like, okay, cool. Yeah.

And then the two of them got down on their knees and they both went down on me at the same time, like one tongue on each side of the clit. Oh, wow. Oh, my God. And that had always been a fantasy of mine, but I hadn't mentioned it. They just did it. and that was really cool. So there was like the man and the woman both going down on you at the same time.

Yeah. And they were married. So all they were doing was like, you know, they were touching tongues with each other. So it was hot for them. And it was blowing my mind. And the guy, he was pretty small in stature.

So I wasn't expecting a whole lot as far as his dick goes. He had a fabulous dick. And he could use it for, you know, an extended period of time, which I was just shocked all the way around. So it was a really good experience just from start to finish. Oh, yeah.

And let me just tell you, those little wiry guys most of the time have the biggest sticks. Okay. That's the way it goes. That's a thing. Everyone knows that. Like, you know, the guy from Maroon 5, the lead singer, like that kind of guy has like a huge, thick, big, big, thick, big, big, thick, big, big, thick, big. And the other thing is Irishmen, which I think Adam Levine is Irish. Oh, really?

Yeah. I've had several Irishmen in my life, some big in stature, some small in stature. They all have huge dicks. Oh, that's interesting. I'm trying to think if I ever fucked an Irish guy. When I would be on the websites, I'd be like, so, what's your nationality? You know, because that helps me pick one that I like. All right.

Well, then if I have to ask, do I need to ask the question if you are a size queen? It sounds like you kind of are. You know, I'm not. I do love a big dick, but I won't turn an average one away. Yeah, totally. I was actually, I was married to a man who had a small penis, not a micro, but a small peanuts and he was like six two size 13 shoe so I was like yay but but the reason why he was small wasn't his fault he had a botched circumcision um oh you're kidding i know and it stunted his growth

he still got the scars on the underside of it you can see so it stunted his growth and of course that led to him having some psychological impact down the road but he was so good at other stuff and his dick didn't feel bad it just well wasn't as big as some other ones. But I've married him, so it must have been pretty good. Yeah, I totally. I mean, I try to explain that because there's plenty of times where I have conversations about dick size and I'm like, oh, yeah, we love the big dicks.

But it's not like I'll turn down on it. You know, I think of most women, unless you're a real true size queen, role like you, like, yeah, you're always going to love the real big ones or the thick one, something that really pulls you up. But if you have good chemistry with a guy who's got a regular-sets dick, like it's all good, too. You know, and that's what I think guys don't understand. I mean, my ex-husband could use his tongue and make me calm in under a minute, and that was unheard of. So, I mean, the only one that can make me come faster was me.

Right. And that's pretty unusual. Now, these women, when they're going down on you, do they make you calm? One did. Just one. But I think it's a relaxation thing. Yeah. You get caught up in your head a little too much.

And plus, I could literally hear myself in my head going, oh, my God, it's a lot. the girl, oh my God, it's a girl. It's so awesome. It's a girl. And then I wouldn't be able to. Oh, I got it. Yeah, you're two in your head. Yeah. So, but I wanted to back, so, but there is such a thing as too large of a penis. For sure. And I don't know if you've, I had one in my life. And it was funny because he was, he was young. So it was a Cougar situation. And he wouldn't let me go down on him. He wouldn't let me touch him. And as soon as he put it in there, I figured out why. Because I think he'd had girls turn him away before. And he didn't want to get turned away.

but yeah it hurt but it was a good hurt but then I paid for it for about a week after it took about a week to heal yeah you're like are you gonna be with that forever though could you no no no no no nope I did go back once more but that was enough I was done after that yeah that's so funny now wait so you were married once how long have you been single for oh don't ask that question I've been single a long time well you've had boyfriends since or you're just like all these hookups at the clubs and stuff and a lot of sex and just no relationships for since your husband. Bingo, bingo. Yeah, I got divorced in 2011. I stayed single on purpose to work on myself for a few years. And then 2015 is when I got into lifestyle.

2018 is when I got out. 2019, I went on a trip by myself to St. Thomas. And I got a, as soon as I got off the boat, I'm like, you know, Stella needs to get a groove back. So I went on Tinder and ended up hooking up with this Jason Statham lookalike guy. And it was awesome. And on your VK, on your solo VK, I love that. Yeah.

Well, and we actually enjoyed talking to each other, too. So like when we met at the bar downstairs in the resort, and the people that were around us, I found out later, they're like, well, we thought you knew him because you guys were just talking like you knew each other. So it was very comfortable. Great sex. And then about, what is it? So this was 2019, right?

Then, of course, I left the island, never saw him again. COVID hits. Well, that too. but like six six or nine months ago he sends me a message on Facebook he's like hey remember me and I'm like what so we start talking again and we still talk every now and again probably over two or three weeks we have a little flirty chat night so I must be pretty good because five years later he's looking me up yeah there you go well what are you looking for anything are you looking for a relationship are you happy being solo like what's your deal you know I'm 51 right now and

I'm at that point in life where I'm okay the way I am. If something comes along great, I am kind of looking and I'll talk to people, but I have no desire to like settle in any way. So if I'm happier sitting in my house watching TV than I am would be out on a date with somebody, I just don't bother. Yeah, I get it. But what about the sex though? Like are you in menopause?

Have you gone through that yet? Do you think that's around the corner for you? it's definitely happening. I'm not in it yet, according to my doctor, but I'm definitely feeling stuff. So, yeah, there's that too. What about your sex drive? Do you still have a sex drive? I kind of don't.

And that's part of it too. Now, every once in a while I'll get riled up. Like, after we get off this call, I might be pretty riled up, you know? So I'll take things into my own hands when that happens. But now, it's kind of faded. And I do hate that because I, I really enjoyed being sexual. And, hey, there's no saying I won't get back into it again.

But I'm just kind of, I'm enjoying life. And it's nice to not feel like I need that other person to enjoy life. Does that make sense? Of course. Listen, I'm a single person. I'm not, I don't like, I mean, this whole time I feel like you've been trying to justify being single. I'm all for it.

You know, there's relationship people. There's single people. Some people love being single. Some people love being a relationship. And I don't disagree or think anyone's right or wrong. You know, some people jump from one relationship to another. And I'm like, fucking high five them too. Like I don't, you know, it's like whatever you want or wherever you're at, that's totally cool.

And, you know, I think sometimes relationship people can't understand how single people love being alone. I can because I'm a single person. I get it. So I like, you know. I love it. I love coming home and nobody's, nobody expects anything from me. I can come home and do what I want. And I mean, it's all.

Yeah, it's awesome. I enjoy it. Yeah, that's cool. But, and you know, listen, and for the sex drive, you know, like in when you go through menopause, you know, there's two things that could get that sex drive back. One is like, you know, going in hormones, that definitely could change the game eventually for you, 100% it does. Or if you meet a guy, like I had an amazing episode with a woman on recently who, and I don't

even know if I aired her yet, but I talked to her, where she talked about, you know, she had gone through menopause, but she was fucking like crazy. Her husband, like they started, but it was after she lost her sex drive totally, but her and her husband decided to get the ball rolling again and she started hot wiping for him and like fucking like crazy and it all came back so like if two years from now you meet the guy of your dreams that you click with that you're into it and you guys are like fucking hardcore like that could also ignite it you know so it's not like it's a lost cause oh no and i don't think that well because i definitely my doctor and i've already talked about getting on hormones when

the numbers show that i'm in menopause she's totally on board with that yeah yeah so that'll bring it back. I heard you on one of your episodes talking about the pellets and whatnot, so that was interesting to me too. Oh, yeah. Wait until you hear. I'm re-air, not re-airing. I'm doing a part two with Linda, who, when I first aired her, she was a 56-year-old woman

that went on pellets and had a gang bang, okay? And I was like, that's when I got pellets right after I heard that fucking episode, I'm like, I'm trying pellets because I was doing creams and patches before that. But she's back on, okay, and I'm airing her this Monday, and she just had an interracial gang bang she's doing all this kind of crazy stuff and it's because of her she's still on the pellet so yeah go listen to that episode so yeah eventually you know that could come back but you're enjoying yourself you had now does anyone know like do your girlfriends like besides that girl that you met at that group like does anyone else know about like all this crazy stuff that you've done

one well two people now one is a guy that i used to date and now we've been friends for like the last 10 years and he he heard about all of the escapades and And he kind of, he introduced me to someone who kind of helped round out some of the edges of things when I was learning. So yeah, he knows about that. And then funnily enough, my brother's roommate, shout out to Jay. His name starts with Jay. That, uh, that just came up recently. He and I kind of kept in touch too after my brother got married.

And since divorced now, he has been married like 15 years. And he and his wife have dabbled in lifestyle. And he's actually set something up for this coming weekend for them to get back into it. So I've been talking to him a little bit and he was like, he's the one that told me about your website. Oh, interesting. And so when I told him, I sent him the booking, the confirmation and he's like, oh my God, he's like, I'm like, my mind is blown right now. You're going to be like famous. I'm like, no, I'm having a conversation. But it's crazy if he's been listening to the show and now he's going to hear someone he knows on it. That's going to be proud of wild friend. I am going to change your voice,

but you know, you're going to let him know who you are, right? Yes. Yes. Yes. We've already talked about that. So those are the two people that know. My family is entirely too conservative. I work in a very conservative field. So yeah, I've got to keep it to myself. But that's kind of cool too because when I was in the lifestyle, I would go to work on Monday and people would be like, what's year over the weekend? I'm like, oh, I had the best time. Went to this club. It was great. And it was kind of sexy knowing that I knew what I had been doing, but they don't. Yeah. Yeah, of course. And listen, not everybody walks around talking about their sex life, whether it's vanilla or not. Sometimes girls talk.

I think girls talk a lot more than guys would think that they do about sex with their girlfriends, you know. But it's, you know, I get why maybe you wouldn't tell some people and others because people are very judgmental. Well, and unfortunately, my best friend, while she passed away a couple of years from COVID, which sucked. Oh, God. My mother died of COVID. That's brutal. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

So, but she was alive when I was doing all this. And it killed me to not be able to share it with her because not that she would have hated it. She would have thought it was gross. Like literally, we went to a casino once and I picked up a business card and it said it was like a naked nudist beach kind of thing. And she like threw it down like it was dirty. And I was thinking, oh my God. It's just what people like to do. Why are you, you know?

So I knew I could never tell her. Of course, now that she is in heaven. I'm sure she knows it all anyway. There you go. She definitely knows now. And she's not judging you. But I would hope that she sees it. It was a positive in my life.

It allowed me to take control of parts of myself that I had, you know, I was letting men do what they wanted to me. You know, if they just wanted to fuck me and leave me, I just let them do it, you know. And I deserve better than that. I deserve more than that. And I deserve to have the sex that I wanted. So that's where this all came from. And it's been awesome.

Oh, I like that. I mean, that kind of brings it full circle. so like all that empowering and feeling comfortable in yourself and maybe even you know maybe even that moment where you told that guy you know what like I'm not contacting you and if you don't contact me like fuck off like maybe that was you coming into your own and being done with that phase of your life so it was very a powerful moment like regardless of him who cares about him right but in your moment and in your growth as a woman and what you had been through that was a very powerful moment for you to do that because that was your pattern because I knew when I was saying that to him I

knew it would probably be, if not the last time, we're getting near the end. Yeah. And I wasn't afraid to say it. Whereas before, I would have kept it to myself because, God forbid, I want to keep him around longer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's great. Yeah.

So that was a very powerful that, like, you really, he helped you get to, you know, he helped you. You know, that's how I see players, right? Like, sort of get to that place where you really empowered yourself and everything. And, you know, maybe even going through the swing of world and doing and even not, and maybe you never even go back, but it was a moment in your life that helped you take that all back in a way. It did. It did. And I don't regret a minute of it, even with him. I'm not angry with him. I'm not mad at him at all. I was when it first happened. But you're right. He helped me a ton.

And I really appreciate that. Yeah. But that was really a real pivotal, well, pivotal, powerful moment for you. And, you know, you have to know someone's history to know that, that it was deeper than what we had first talked about when you sort of bring it full circle. But I love your story. Listen, you know, you said you wrote a book. you'll come back on when you want to put it out there. But like I love, you know, the really interesting story is the story about a woman who was always sort of whipped to guys and then, you know, never felt comfortable about herself and her body maybe and then, you know, had this sort of moment in her life where for many years she did all this

crazy sex stuff and, you know, it doesn't do it anymore. But this is like what she learned and what she grew and what she came out of, you know, that's kind of like an interesting story. Well, and it's been fun to talk about because I haven't talked about it in years, as you can imagine. So thank you for giving me that opportunity. Yeah, you're going to love it. Wait until you hear it from outside of yourself. Like I said, a lot of times you were like, oh, I'm sure you have like 10 more

sex capades that you could have brought up that. But you just think you're so like not as interesting as my other guest. Like most people I haven't having gangbangs. They're just doing like this kind of stuff that you did. But you'll love your story, especially even more when you hear it third person. So it'll be up soon. Do me a favor. If you want to send me anonymous picks for my Patreon, I do that on my

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Is that what we called you? Yes, yes. And thank you so much. I look forward to here in the episode. You too. Okay, thanks for Veronica. You're welcome. You're welcome.

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