Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 104-Bondage Guy on the Inside World of BSDM

Episode Date: December 14, 2015

If you read or saw the movie Fifty Shades of Grey and you were curious about the secret world of bondage then this is the episode for you. Bondage guy calls in to discuss the ins and out of the bsdm lifestyle and explains how he got into the lifestyle, how you can get into it, the complex relationship between the master and submissive plus a detailed account of his most recent experience at a bdsm gathering which includes a guy, his wife and a bunch of other guys. Tune in to hear all the details. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We talk about how he got into it. We talk about a really interesting experience he had in Arizona recently with a couple, which included a guy, his wife, and like 12 guys, I think it is, and a lot of jizzing on the face. I don't know. People that listen to my podcast for a really long time will know all about the jiz quiz that I did a long time ago, because I felt like anybody that likes to jizz on girls' faces like secretly hate women, but it's probably not the truth. I don't know. And that girls who like to be jizzed on, like to be degraded, something's wrong with them. But that's my unprofessional take on things. This guy tells a story that includes a lot of jizzing on one girl's face. But mostly it's

about sort of the bondage world, what goes down there, how he got involved, how you could get involved, and everything that goes on. And it's interesting. I think he's an interesting guest. I think the whole world, that world or that fetish is interesting. And like I said, there's a lot of things about it that maybe you wouldn't understand, and we pick it apart and analyze it and talk about it. And so stay tuned. I'll be right back on with Bondage Guy. Do you have a story, lifestyle, or situation you can't talk about to anyone, to anyone? Or do you just want to let your freak flag fly and be on the show well strictly anonymous wants to hear from you send us an email strictly anonymous podcast at gmail dot com with your story and your anonymous name and remember everything

is strictly anonymous strictly anonymous hey bondage guy welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast how you doing doing great how are you i'm good is that your name that we call you like i just always think of you as bondage guy Or did you have a different name? No, that actually works for me. Okay, we call you Bondage Guy. You've been on the podcast before, but I think this is always a hot topic. It's always one of the podcasts that has, you know, the most listeners because I think, I don't know if it was ever since that buck.

What do you think? Or always, like, there's just, this is like, as far as fetishes are concerned, I feel like this is the one fetish that, you know, has maybe is the most mainstream or like crosses over comes close to maybe, you know, because a lot of people are interested. it, right? Or am I wrong? I think I think that's a really good way to put it. It really crosses over into a whole bunch of things and it

is more along the mainstream although there are variations but you know I think the average person really has this interest in exploring it especially women. They want to get taken. They want to be... So you think back to the caveman days.

You know, they want to, a lot of them don't have it in their life and they want to try it. Yes. I mean I think that rape fantasy quote unquote you know or being like held down or forced like you say is like every girl has that a little bit as a fantasy and then maybe like when you go there and you do it like once in a certain way maybe then it's because it's so great you kind of want to push the boundaries a little bit more is that what you find with people or do you basically deal with people because you're so in the lifestyle that by the time you come in contact with a woman she's full on or have you sort of converted

women who have like come into it and been like someone like me never have tried it and and like sort of made them cross over? For me personally, it's more the latter of the two. I found people who, just because of the lifestyle and sort of the other pieces of my life that I'm in, I meet people who I test the waters a little bit and see if they have an interest. Most of them have an interest have never really tried it. And they, and then they start to try it and they really like it. And you really hit on a key point for me because I think the whole thing is about,

testing the boundaries and getting to getting right to that boundary right before that person's ready to say the safe word and and knowing right where that is is sort of like the thrill for me but and the thrill is to get them to not say the safe word and to trust you enough to go there right and then that's like that's what is the turn on for you right as the person that's like on your end because you want to be the master right like that's who you are in the scenario right yes absolutely But I think there's a key point here. And I'm sure many people have seen the 50 Shade, the Gray movie. And I think a lot of people who don't really understand the lifestyle

believe that the master is the complete, you know, he makes the rules and he's in charge of everything. But the fact of the matter is it's a really good master will spend time with the sub and find out what the boundaries are because they're different for everybody. Some are going to say, well, I'll do this. I won't do that. Not so sure about this. I might try it.

And then they really determine what the do's and don'ts are. But then within the do's and don'ts, within the dues, the do's, the master is got to get right to the edge of that boundary. And that's really key. If you saw that 50 Shades of Gray movie, you know, when Mr. Gray was telling her, well, this and she looked at it and said, absolutely not, no way. That's off the table now. Then she said, yes, this I'm interested in, and then he knows.

But let me ask you, though, because I feel like this is maybe kind of what you said before. When she says absolutely not for that, does that kind of become, like, do you put that in a file and say, like, hey, like, I'm getting like that's something like a future challenge because you kind of want to push her? Or do you respect that boundary and do everything else and leave that alone? Yeah, so great question. I personally, at a later point in time, try and get into that spot. Of course, right? Just to put orders a little bit and see if we could really, really make a major breakthrough. Sometimes you use that as like a punishment where a woman will say, I'll never do this,

but she did something really bad. And then you say, okay, you know, and then you start to get them into that mode where that becomes like a huge punishment. Right. I think you're different for a lot. No, but I could see the turn on, right? Because for you, the turn on is a little bit about pushing someone through to a boundary that they had, right? And, you know, crossing the boundary. And then for the person that wants to be the sub, what's hot for them is sort of being taken.

So, you know, sort of creating that boundary and have someone saying, you know, tough shit, I'm going to like, you know, sort of cross it. Like you said, in a punishment realm, like that's the turn on for them too. I mean, that's kind of what they're, you know, signing up for as well, right? Oh, absolutely. You know, the turn on for me is complete and total control and submission. At least you admit it. Right. That's what it's about.

Right. Exactly. And, you know, with one of my subs, she will not even get a menu at the restaurant. I order for her. I pick what she's going. I pick where we're going. I pick what she's drinking. Oh, my God.

It's like every guy's fantasy. you're completely in control that's really where you want to be oh my god i could never be a sub i mean like you'd chop me up and put me in a bag and kill me in the woods because i would never but like women though have let me ask you this because like maybe there are women like me do you find that like because like i'm very alpha right and when i hear you saying oh she doesn't do that like i don't feel that i have a part of myself i mean i do like to kind of be taken and have a man be like very manly, but do I want to like go into restaurant and be told I can't do this? No, but do you find other alpha females that are really into sort of letting go of that alpha part and, you know,

just being totally sort of controlled? Do you find that? Or do you find that it's mostly beta women that sign up to be subs? You know, I find I find both, but I would think people would be surprised at the number of alpha women who are big into business and being in control and all this pressure and stress and the first thing they want to do when they get in the bedroom is completely give up control. The woman now owns her own business and she's in charge of everything and she does this and she does that. And when she gets into the best, the last thing she wants to do is being controlled.

Right. I think it's like when you hear those stories like on Dayton, like they found that, you know, the CEO of the Fortune 500 company was like dressing up in panties and being whipped. You know, and it's the same kind of thing. You know, he's sitting there in his life and he's like super in charge of everything that maybe that flip side of being the opposite because his role is always to sort of be in charge, you know, maybe that becomes the turn on because it's something so different and the same for the women. That's why I asked because I figured that it probably would go that way, you know. Yeah. And you also have a lot of people that are submissive in their personal life and submissive in, you know, in the bedroom.

And that's fine. But you do see a lot of sort of the alpha aggressive women that. that won't completely the opposite in the bedroom. And I'm sure because you're in the lifestyle, you probably know a lot of people, men and women that are involved, even if they're not your subs or whatever, that there are men. It's not always the man that's the master, right?

And the woman that's a sub. Like, it could be reversed as well, right? Or am I wrong? Oh, absolutely. No, absolutely. It's, you go to these what they call munchies where, you know, people in the lifestyle go to meet. They have at these various restaurants throughout the country.

And, you know, you meet a lot of, a lot of men who are alpha alpha males in their business and then they had a dominatrix, a mistress who controls them and their subs, but they're male subs. Right. That's what I mean. It's like it doesn't necessarily, it's not always typically the man. I mean, do you think it's more like the majority of the masters are the male and or do you think it's split 50-50 and it could go either way? I think it's, I think it's pretty split and I also think there's a lot of switches. There's one thing I learned in this lifestyle.

I'd say greater than 50% of the people that I deal with are switches. So in some elements, they're aggressive and they're dominant and in some elements they're submissive. They really play both sides of that point. You know, at first I was surprised when you said that, but as

I'm thinking as you're talking, I just think like, yeah, duh, like that's basically human nature, right? No one, it's never really black or white, right? Like, we always have so many different parts of our personality to really put people in a box and say they're just one way and no other way exists. And sometimes it's like you could be one way, like you said in one sense, and then the complete opposite. And I think sometimes we don't believe that people have those two, those two things could exist in the same person, but I think it's much more actually realistic

to believe that they do, right? That people aren't black or white. Yeah. Yeah, I could tell you, like I was with this couple in, uh, in Arizona on some of my travels. And it was, um, the guy's turn to be the master and the woman to be, uh, the sub. But what it happened was the week before, he was a sub and she made him do certain things and service people. And so it was now his turn. And he was making her, um, you know, be with seven or eight people at one time. But then there are times that the two of them are dominant and go get a sub or get a subl adapt to them or vice versa. It's an intricate lifestyle, you know.

So walk me through that. Like, I just want to know everything about that, like one experience, because this is like how it goes down, right? How did you meet that couple to begin with or how did you get sort of invited to that quote unquote party, right? Because when you say there's all these people, you know, how does that go down? Okay. So there's various websites.

The one that I really like the most because it's just easy to meet people. and they're for the most part very real is step life how do you spell it can you spell that again because it's always hard for me to remember spat f e t f e t l i f e f like frank e t right life okay right right so you go there it's a free it's a free site and you can put up your profile put up as much information as you want and there are various groups within there that range from sort of plain vanilla groups to like people who are into like really strange things, you know, you know, bodily fluids and scat and Scat is shitting, right? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. And so, you know, you pick where you want to go, but then you, you know, you meet people there. And, you know, any time you're meeting somebody, you know, you do the safety things that you normally do to meet somebody. But for that person, I was traveling on business in Arizona. I met the guy or the couple through FetLife. He had said that he had this sub and he was, you know, it was her turn and he was in the process of training her. And I did all the normal clarification things.

And the whole deal with that was, you know, actually I think there were 12 guys that time. You know, he wanted, it was 12 guys to be with that woman. And he wanted to command all of the operations. And that's how I met that couple. I mean, people do meet on Craigslist and play. is like that which I don't like it all. No, and I have to say, let me tell you, Bondage Guy, I've had a lot of guys call, like, there's a lot, there's a big fantasy, which I never realized before, before I did my podcast,

that this fantasy existed, and it does exist with a lot of men, because another podcast, that topic that I have that's very highly listened to is the topics where, or the people that call in that want to watch their wife or girlfriend be fucked by another guy. I have to say, that's like a very big thing with a lot of guys. I never knew that, but it really is, you know, and I've had a lot of guys call up that were on other sites, not Fat Life, but like Craigslist or Adult Front Fighter, trying to put together some sort of gang bang because they wanted their woman to be taken by a bunch of men. And their woman wanted, but they didn't, they weren't able to put it together. You know, there's so few and far between of like real people on those other sites, you know, so it's hard to do.

So it's good to know that if anyone's looking to set this kind of stuff. That's the place to do it, right? Because that's really where real people are that really actually do these things. Yeah, so two things I'll say. First of, you've hit upon a really big area for me, and that is this whole couple thing, even before the BDSM lifestyle for me, and I still do that. That's really equally as interesting and important to me as the BDS thing. I love the couple things. And I was telling somebody this yesterday.

There's a lot of men that are voyeuristic, and they want to watch their wife with another person. just literally sit there and watch the pleasure themselves and just watch. But there's a lot that want to participate too. And there's a lot of women that that's a fantasy for them. And they sort of like give it up and just say, oh, yeah, my husband wanted this. I'm going to do it. And I do find some of them on Craigslist. You really got to go through a screen process for, you know, for them.

But that's a great way to do it. Right. To find one person. I think like I think people could find one other person. to get in, right, and do it like a couple with a three, some with one. But I find to set up, because I've had a couple of these guys that after they do it once, they want more than one guy involved. And to get a whole slew of people, like, you're going to explain this party in Arizona,

you know, that's like this guy wanted like all those men with their women. Like, you know, that's like a lot of guys, you have to wrangle up in one place. But I think it's going to be a lot harder to do that on Craigslist to get that whole thing going than maybe on the website that you're on. Yes, because with that life, you know, I'd have to say 90, 95% of the people are real. And I think it's the opposite in Craigslist. It's like so many picture collectors.

I mean, as long as you realize with Craig List, you're going to go through 20 people before you find one real person, then it's a good way to go. There are people that are serious about it. There are other websites that you could use to do that sort of thing. But, you know, for me, I'll diverge a little bit. This all started off with same room sets, right? first, like way, way back when I thought about this and hadn't gone into it, you know, there's a lot

of couples that sort of want to get into the lifestyle, but they're not so short. So there's the same sex things you could do. We literally in the same room. There's no touching. You're just watching two separate couples, three separate couples having sex. And of course, that manifests itself into, a little bit of touching before you know what you're in a full swap thing, right? Over, over a period of time. And there's lots of, lots of web. websites and lots of places that do that sort of thing. But for somebody who wants to delve into it, maybe not want to jump in the water all the way, just want to put their foot in a little bit, same room sex is the way to go.

Same room sex. Is that an actual website is what you're saying? I don't know if it's a website. It's more of a terminology of what people, you know, what people are into. Right. So people that have done it and are sort of involved and experience in that, that's what they call it. And so somebody, if they were into it, they could go sort of Googling and to find out where that's going down. Chat rooms,

they're, you know, Craigslist again, you know, places like that. And that is a good way to meet people. And it's a good way, like I say, to just get your foot in the water without having to jump in. Right. Is that, did you start with that first and then get into the whole bunch thing? I did.

I did. Yeah. I'm sorry. I did. And what happens is like if you have, you know, a lot of times a man or a woman will sit there and discuss it, but they, you know, to make that full-fledged swinging thing is a big, big jump. And so these four of little things along

the way, get you along the way. There's lots of clubs where you could go swingers clubs, especially here in Manhattan, tons of them, BDSM clubs, swingers clubs, where you could go in, you could have a drink, you could participate if you find somebody to participate in, or you could

just sit back and watch, and that also gets you into the lifestyle a little bit. And is that where you sort of tipped your put your foot in the water and started doing that? Because I, like, a little background on you, you know, your thing is you're married. You've married for a very long time. Never will you leave your wife. You have a family with her. But you, this is like a total separate life that you have and you've been doing this on the side. You've never been caught. It's, you know,

like I said, it's like very separate, right? You have a very good relationship with your wife. That's all great. You're super successful. And you have a very demanding job, right? And this is like your release on the side. And you travel a lot for business. So it's been kind of like a little bit easier than if someone's coming home every day nine to five to sort of have this lifestyle and not get busted, right? So is that how you first got into it, like, started to go to this? Like, how did it start for you? Yeah, that's exactly right.

That's exactly how it started. I had, you watch porn or you hear stories and you're like, wow, I wonder about that. I don't know. And then, you know, you start to, you go to a club and you watch it and you're like, wow, you know, that could be pretty neat. And then you'll do the same room sex. You just start to break down those barriers and you start to experience these things. That's exactly how I got.

So you would even in your own city where you live, you went to swingers clubs, like without your wife behind her back. And like, because normally what I heard, I had a friend who worked in one. He was like the towel boy or something. It was like so interesting to hear his stories. But he told me that the one that he worked at, and I think it's very common is that like if you were a guy, you had to go in with a woman. They never let solo guys in.

Is that the, was that the case when you were sort of doing it or no? No, but the sea, the sea is way different for a single guy. So I could tell you, there's, there's a club that I go to now in Manhattan. The fee, they pretty much do it every night, although the night later in the week are more populated. If you're a single guy, it's $150. It's like $25 if you're open as a couple, right? Right. So you won't see some ads on Craigs on that for, you know, just for a partner to go.

And, you know, you don't even have to do anything. But just a company media will take a look. Maybe you have an interest. Maybe I, you know, I definitely have an interest. Right. Basically, he's using the woman as a coupon. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But you know, you can get in single, but like they triple a price. Right. That's smart, I guess, instead of like back in the day when they used to be like, no, you can't come in. It's like they're losing so much business. Why not make the money? Let the guys come in. Because I would find that a lot of couples have told me. And let me ask you this one more question before we get back. I'm not forgetting about getting back to that the story about Arizona. But a lot of other couples that were. trying getting into swinging in other places have found that um a when they go to these swing clubs

there's a lot of single guys and not many women and the people are not that attractive and i'm always like come to like new york or go to like a bigger city because i feel like people are more attractive are the people in swing clubs in new york good looking or are they not like what would you say is the average i've been very i've been very surprised at the quality of the women in these swing clubs. I mean, business women, you know, attractive and great shake. I haven't found, you know, always on attractive women. I've actually found the opposite that these are, yeah. And also, I feel like people nowadays are so much more open-minded than, you know, 20 years ago, right, in 15 years. So have you seen sort of the horizons change as the times have changed? Because I think women and men are more,

more, women are much more open sexually nowadays. So I think you're going to find like younger, hotter women that might be doing something like that, whereas 20 years ago they would never, like it just wasn't going to happen. Yeah, completely agree. I think that women are out of the shell. They want to experience as much as men do. They want to enjoy it. I mean, just even just going into a sex shop here years ago, I go into a sex shop,

it'd just be all men and maybe when they're huffles or women. They're like, you know, let's try that. let's try that, you know. Yeah. It's way different now. Right. Okay. So now you're in, so how do you get involved in the whole Arizona thing?

Because you wind up at this place where this guy has set up, like all these guys to fuck his wife and then things change. And like, you're there for, I'm assuming a couple days and all these different things go on. But like, do they put an email sort of advertising a party? Like, how do you get involved with that? So this particular group, a guy I met on set life. And then he, he, the master, he's the master this day, he went out and he, he, went out and he, restarts all the guys that he was very specific. This specific one, there actually nobody

fucked anybody. This was oral sex and ejaculate on the woman's face. That was his thing. Oh my God, I love that because I used to have a big question. Like I used to have a jizz quiz. Like, do you want to jerk off on a girl's face? Like I can analyze that for hours. So wait, so all he wanted to do was his wife to give all of you guys blow jobs and then he wanted you to jizz on her face. everyone

like in a circle right so how many people we ended up with 12 people that day okay and he chose the men he chose you know I really it's choosing but also

screening it's a screening process make sure they're real and literally he like with me he met me outside the apartment complex like everybody kind of came in around the same time but a little bit different and he met me out there

so when I pulled up, you know, he says, text me when you get to this spot. And I did. And he met me out there. We talked for a minute. And he goes, right, here's my apartment. Come on in. And he had a whole, like, dungeon thing set up there. She was completely nude on her knees. She had a ball gag in her mouth. And he did some domination things with her while we just sat around and watched. And then he got into the whole thing. But what happened was the week before when she was in charge, she made him blow a bunch of guys. So it was like his payback to her. Oh, okay. So she was the dominant one first and made him do it and blow guys. So now he was making her, he was punishing her to do the same thing.

Exactly. So how many guys did he blow the week before? I think it was something like six or seven. And it was the same setup like he just blew them and they jizzed on his face? Yeah, exactly. Interesting. Do you do that too? Do you go both ways or you buy or forget? No, you know, I don't, it's not an interest that I have, although it's very natural that there's male and sub, male and female subs at these events. So like, I went to an event a month ago in Manhattan, and the event was to, it was part of a female subs training, but some of the male, there were some dominatrix women that brought their male subs in and had them fluffing people in another room, had them cleaning up. It was really an interesting kind of thing.

But it's almost unnatural for always to be male and female. It does work a lot of the times. But when you start getting into this group, it's all different. Right, because you have, like, listen, you have like seven guys there, right? and you're looking at other guys, and then there's one woman there, so there's a lot of crossover. So you can't be homophobic at all in this scenario

because, I mean, like as long as you've been doing it and you're not by, like have you ever sort of cross the line or done stuff with guys because it's just kind of like in the moment? Or does it kind of turn you on that other guys are there, like on a certain level?

It isn't, no, not for me personally, but I'm not homophobic. And so it doesn't really bother me. I know it sort of goes with the turf. there are natural things where if there's two, three men, you know, doing a woman, you're going to bump into one of the, you know, things, things like that. But, but not, it's not really an interest of mine. Right. It's not part of the turn on for you.

The turn on for you, right, when you're in that circle, right, and like this woman is going around and blowing everyone is like the turn off, like the turn on. I mean, it must be like if you're like sort of eighth in line, right, you're like just watching her the whole thing. time. Is that like the hottest experience for you? Because like that's the foreplay, like you're just waiting for her and like watching them actually do it to her as well. Is that a part of the turn on for you? Two besides being serviced for her. Yeah. Yeah. It's a huge turn on. This woman has to be very attractive by the way. And it's a huge turn on because of the whole submissive thing. You know, we're all standing up. She's on her knee. So just the, the physical aspect of it is very dominant. Right. And she's totally naked.

completely naked, ball gag out of her mouth, but she's on her knees and hands are tied behind her back. So you really, like, grabbing the back of her head. So she blindfolded or no? Say that again? Is she blindfolded or no? She wasn't in the beginning, but not once we got started. Okay. So they explained to you that he had done this before and then this was her payback and then, right?

And then he screened all you guys and then you all come in and then, you know, you're all get kind of naked and everyone's naked. Yeah, but he's giving the order. So that's part of the thing. Like he would have a talent, you know, slap her in the ass and say, go with his ball, you know, go suck this. And he, you know, that was part of the thing,

too, the whole verbal, you know, commands and move her around. All right. She's not really, like, she's really being controlled every minute at the time. Like, she's not really giving that blowjub. He is. He's telling her everything what to do.

Oh, exactly. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Go to the next guy. Do this. Go to the next, you know, that kind of stuff. That's a whole part of the domination thing for him. And then does he boss you guys around or all you need to know is that you need to jizz on her face? Like you, when you're coming, like the you need to come on her face. That's all he tells you guys. Yeah. Yeah, he's coaching and yelling and kind of like a little humiliating her, you know, that kind of thing with, you know, verbally. And he's telling you, he's not really bossing us around. But he's saying. do this, do that, make sure you come on her face. You know, as soon as you feel yourself, come pull it out of her mouth, you know, that kind of stuff. And, you know, she wasn't, you know, obviously she couldn't wipe her face for her and she had a wait for all 12 guys were there. It was pretty hot. Yeah. And then how does she get off at the end of all this?

Do you guys, does he fuck her? Does someone fuck her? Like, what does she do? No, he had a huge vibrating. It wasn't a dildo. I forgot the name you call it. You know, it's straight. It has a big round head on.

Oh, yeah. I've seen those of porn. Yeah, yeah. that's with they they're rolling around yeah he was using that on her the whole time and I think that was part of the turn on for her right so she was being stimulated as well because I would assume if this is what they're into like she's totally turned on so I'm like how does she get off you know at the end of the day so yeah and what they did when we left I don't know but he he he was pretty hot when he that thing was really working well on and how old were they about like how old

was she she was 20 something years old. He was probably 30, 33. Right. And then the demographics of the guys all around, were they all different? I mean, how do you, do you think that he picked guys just like for the sake of like, oh, they're real and they're safe? Or did he seem to have like a certain thing he was looking for? Or it was mostly like he just wanted to vet people beforehand to make sure, like you said, it's real. Yeah, I don't think, I don't think with a number of people that he was looking for. And this was during the day, which made it even tougher. Wow. You know, I don't think with the number of people that she was looking for that he had, he could really democratically pick you.

You've got to be between 30 and 35. I'm an older guy. Yeah, he wouldn't have got 12. I mean, he got 12 guys to show up and do it. Like you said, during the day in the middle of the week? Yeah, it was a weekday. And then so, so you have that experience. After you come, do you get out of that circle and you're out of there and it just sort of dwindles down?

Does everyone just leave right after? Well, there are times, like for me personally, I can do it twice. In rare cases, I can do it three times. So you give me a 15, 20-minute break. I can do it again. Right. And so sometimes I hang out and just see if I'm starting to get stimulated again or at least want to see what goes on.

I mean, it was the last time in the city, I went out. I left. I went to Starbucks. I was sitting there. I got a couple of coffee. And I was like, you know what? I didn't go another round. I'm going back up and I went back up.

Oh my God, hilarious. But you said you had more experiences with this couple, right? Because you were there for a while. Other things went down with them the rest of the week? No, not this couple. This was the one experience with this couple. But that's how you meet people and that's how it goes and that's how you do it on your travels. Like through that website, you find people and then you wind.

But you have, how many subs do you have for yourself? I have, so I have two in-person subs, what that I call, and I actually. and I actually have two now online subs, online only, which is, I'm starting to see more and more of that now, where people, again, want to get into the lifestyle and they don't necessarily, you know, they want to get into it slow. And so I've met them online through life. And we have like an online relationship. And I think both of them will ultimately end up in a physical meeting. Not right now, though, but I think once we get past that trust issue, will,

we'll get into an actual meeting. And when you say online, you do like Skype and stuff with them? Skype, email. So you do see each other, right? And have like, because I know that sometimes,

like a lot of times there's all this whole aspect of bondage that people would never imagine. That is like a lot of writing and a lot of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with sex. But sex is a big part of it as well. So like when you're Skyping with these women, is it, are you having like sex with,

them through Skype or is it just more about like sort of getting to know them? Yeah. So good point. You hit upon a good point. A lot of the initial work and meetings is really a lot of writing, a lot of really trying to find out what in their head or seeing if they're committed. So a lot of times you ask the sub to do a journal. You'll give the sub responsibilities to do.

So where in the morning they might have to text you and tell you what they're wearing, when I might have to tell you about at the end of the day, what are the three things that really I'm thankful for today? What are three things that can improve on? It's just a function of getting them to get into the lifestyle and to be subservient and to have some level of control. And so a lot of the upfront work is more than writing. And that also tells you if somebody's committed or not, right?

Because if they're not doing it, you know, they're probably not really committed. You know, you'll give them a couple of shots, but after that, they've either got to step up to the bar. You've got to move on to somebody else because they're not committed to it. Right. I think there's a difference between people, because I had a girl on recently who was very open mind, and she said, you know, she was kind of into bondage, but then she met a guy, and he wasn't, like, he was into all this, like, weird stuff that she wasn't, and she just, like, quickly got out of it.

But I think it was probably he was, like, more in the lifestyle. And I think some people maybe they just wanted things, like, kind of rough. And they don't realize that when you're really into the bondage lifestyle, it's a lot. more than just that, right? And so you're going to weed out those people that maybe just want to be tied up or slapped around a couple times, you know, right from the beginning because you go in and it's a lot more than that. Like you said, it's like the writing and all that stuff. And so a lot of people that really aren't into being subs sort of check out because they're like, what the fuck is this? Maybe like I said, they just want to be tied up and be done with it. Right. There's a big difference

between rough sex and being a sub. You know, rough sex is rough sex. I like it rough. Yeah. And being a sub is a commitment of control and discipline and punishment. And it goes beyond sex. It's a part of sex. It's a big part of it, and that's a turn-on, but it's bigger than that.

It is. And I will tell you that there are a lot of masters that have subs that never have sex. Really? Interesting. Right. Oh, yeah. Because it's just about that control. Right.

But do you think that they're jerking off to the thing? Or there's not a sexual, like, right? There's some sexual thing going on, right? But maybe it's just not sex with the woman, but maybe he's jerking off to his control or power that he has. Absolutely. Either, you know, while he's doing it or afterwards, it's a big turmoil. But even if you go to like any of the website sex and submission, which is one of the better BDS ones, BDSM ones, you know, you'll see a lot of scenes and a lot of videos there that the male never has sex with the woman.

It's just control and tying them up and bondage, it's stanking them and flogging them. It's about control, not about sex. Right. And sometimes that could be hotter, I think. I don't know. You know, I mean, just because it's something so different, right, than any, it's more of like a tease could be, right? And it just makes it last that much longer. I mean, I get how it could be erotic.

you know what I'm saying even though there isn't that one-on-one sex. Now, your thing, you're still married, right? Have you ever, like, I mean, you know, you're on my intro, re-hide your whips and chains, you know, it's like, guys, because you were one of the first pockets I have. Have you ever hid those? Because what you told me were they were in the back seat of your trunk, or like in your trunk of your car. And I'm like, are you kidding me?

You're getting in a car exit and your wife's going to find them. And because this is a very secret life that you live. Nobody knows, right? except like you call in here and you're, you know, spilling it. But like, does anyone in your life besides the people that are involved in the lifestyle know about this part of you? No, I think. So two things. The equipment that I have, you know, if you knew my car, there's a whole, it's under the trunk.

There's a lift up and then there's a spare underneath and it's underneath that. I don't really care. If you crash your car, I don't really care. If you crash your car, that shit's flying all over and that's going to be there. So it's, you know, I'm not saying your wife's going to go, like, get something out of your trunk and find it. but it can be. But nobody knows, right? Nobody knows.

I have been a little bit more open with a couple of non-sexual clubs than I'm in other hobbies that I have in my personal life because I'm always in a mode. I've opened up a little bit more, especially I'm not traveling as much as I used to. And so I've opened it up a little more. I made a few more hints with some local people and I'm moving in that direction. So it's not quite there. Interesting. Yeah.

So you're doing it in your own city, which can be a little dangerous. Yeah, it's really, it's like kind of going through some landmine things, but, you know, it's a lot. It's a very important screening process that goes through because you want to make sure, like, from my perspective, I want to make sure whoever I play with is, you know, sane and stable and is looking for the same thing that I am. And this, you know, you develop a technique after a while and a process to find. people and screen people and you know it's not a hundred percent but I'm pretty good at it I know like I just think sometimes like and listen this is just I think sometimes you know just when you think you're like you're good at it or you know everything like you find out like oh fuck like

maybe I don't like I don't know you should just be careful is all I'm saying because you know I think you've always been very smart and your life has always sort of allowed you to live this lifestyle not get caught and not, you know, sort of let your wife know because you've been traveling and you do it outside of where you live. Now that you're not traveling as much and you still have those needs and you have to keep, you know, you're doing everything you can to do the same thing here in New York. You just have to be careful. Do you think if your wife found out, and I think I've asked you this before, like she would

A, leave you or be surprised or do you think she'd turn her head the other way? Do you think she has some sort of clue that may, like, what do you think? Yeah, I, I thought about this a lot. I think she knows something's going on. Mm-hmm. I don't, obviously doesn't know to the extent. I think, you know, she has a very good lifestyle, you know, financially, we're very, done very well. And so I think she sort of turns, you know, closes one eye on this stuff.

Mm-hmm. So she kind of knows that something's going on, the extent of which I don't think, she knows. But I think if you gave her a lie to check the test and said, is this guy that 100% faithful, you know, she would say, no, absolutely not. But he comes home every night and, you know, he's a good provider and we have great sex

and, you know, Rosie doesn't catch anything. I'm kind of okay with it. Yeah, I totally get that. She knows she has you, like, listen, she knows you're not leaving her or whatever. And maybe at that point, she's been with you for so long. And like you said, she knows you're coming home every night and she has a good life. And, you know, you're the father of her,

you know, your guys' children. like, you know, she'd rather not know. That's why, if anything, you should be careful, because she doesn't want to know. Do you know what I mean? And then, because then if she gets the information, then she has to almost, she's almost forced to sort of do something about it

or else she'd look like an asshole, right? So you really just want to make sure she doesn't find out because I get that woman. Like, I don't think there's anything wrong with how she turns her head and pretends that. You know what I mean? I respect that. I think that that's good and smart, you know?

but if she winds up finding out, you put her in the awful position of sort of knowing that and then having to tend to like, sort of like feeling like an asshole not doing anything about it because she doesn't want to leave you at this point.

She's happy with her life. She doesn't want to know. So make sure you just be very careful in New York when you play. Appreciate that. Yep. You know what I mean? I completely agree.

And I'm going to end this podcast the same way. Rehide those whips and chains. You keep thinking. You know, you're a smart guy. You're super. It's not, I don't know why you think it's the greatest hiding spot and underneath your tire in the car.

I will, I will still tell you it's not smart at all. So maybe you want to think about that, but. Okay, well, maybe you could, you can email me some great hiding place. I know. Someone wants, somebody, I did a podcast with someone, and he was like, he steals like panties from women.

He did a lot of really interesting things. And he told me he had the panties, like, in his, like, ceiling of his basement. I was like, what if the house burned down? You know, and he's just like, well, they're in the bottom floor. Like, it's just hilarious where people are. I guess there really is no totally safe place. But I'll think for you.

And if I come up with anything good, I'll email it to you. But thanks again. Okay, thanks again for calling it. It's always so fascinating to hear your story. Same here. Bye. Bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book,

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