Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1061 - Michael is a Gay Man who Sleeps with Straight Guys

Episode Date: March 14, 2025

Michael is a gay man who sleeps with straight guys and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including his fave married straight guy he’s been “seeing,” how he met him and how long their hook up has lasted, the first time they hooked up and exactly what went down, how his wife found out and how she reacted, the threesome they all had and exactly what went down, what he disliked about the wife and how it turned him off, the second time they had a threesome and what went down, how and why money came into play between them, his previous experience on gay.com and the hook-ups with straight guys he had on there and how he feels about it all now, when he was diagnosed with HIV, how he found out and haw he became undetectable very early on, the drugs that were avail to take to avoid getting HIV and how and why he had never used them, how he deals with telling partners about his status and how his partners have reacted, how his fave, married lover felt when he told him, how his current partner felt when he told him. how his “hook-ups” with his fave married guy go down now, how his current partner knows about his hook ups but how and why he doesn’t want to know about it, where he hook ups with all the straight guys, what most of them are looking for, how so many married guys hit him up and how it’s a lot more common then people think, his side guys fantasy of being with a trans woman and how he feels about plus a whole lot more. **To see hot pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://butterwellness.com/ For 20% off your Butter Wellness perineum massager use code STRICTLY https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://beducate.me/march2025 Use code anonymous to get an additional 10% off the campaign’s current discount - that’s 60% off Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcas Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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what I'm typically airing. I'm typically airing all these like married and or straight guys who are like sucking guys' dicks. This time I have on Michael who is the gay man who is hooking up with these straight guys. Michael's currently in an open relationship and his guy is down for him to go and do what he wants to do. It's kind of like a don't ask, don't tell kind of scenario. He's got an ongoing married man lover that he's had from the get go. He tells that. He tells that. whole story, where he met him, the first time they hooked up, you know, how long they started seeing each other. That guy eventually got married and his wife found out. He tells that whole story. They've had a couple threesomes. He tells that whole story. What he says about her and what she

did during their threesome is so fucking funny. But he still sees that guy to this day. There's another twist in the story that's super interesting. Like at a certain time during his journey, he did find out that he was HIV positive. He was lucky enough to go on medication and have it become undetectable. Very early on, he explains all of that explains, you know, how he got it, how he felt when he got it, how he got it to become undetectable. He also talks about, you know, that the really hard thing of like how he has to tell partners about it and, you know, how people have reacted. He's currently in a relationship with a guy who was okay with it. And like I said, they have an open relationship. And he's still seeing that married guy.

And he talks about when he had to tell him about his HIV status. Because was in the middle of them, you know, being together because they've been together for many years. So his whole story is super interesting. He had a little stint on gay.com, like hooking up with older guys when he was younger too. He's got some weird money thing going on with Jose, you know, that is super funny. At one time, Jose was paying him, and now Jose makes him pay him to see him. Like, there's like money exchanging going on that is kind of funny because it's not a lot of money. It's like jump change, but it's an interesting part of his story. His whole story is interesting, and you're going to enjoy it.

So I'm going to get right to it and be right back on with Michael. Hi, Michael. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you today? Hey, Kathy. I'm doing great. Nice to talk to you. Nice to talk to you too, Michael.

You are like on the other side of the story. Typically, I'm talking to straight dudes who are seeing guys on the DL and getting guys to suck their dick on the down though, right? Like, that's normally who I'm talking to. I am now talking to you, Michael, who is the guy that's screwing all these straight guys. All the guys that are calling into my show are hooking up with you. I mean, you have a main fuck buddy who's got a wife and you probably have. And you also, not probably, but you also have a lot of stories about straight guys that you've, and maybe straight as in quotes.

I don't know, straight guys that you've hooked up with as well on the side. That's right. I mean, I've had a pretty active sex life. So I've had plenty of run-ins with straight guys and definitely have my favorite. Who is Jose. He is married and has three kids. And I've known him for 12 years already. Am I correct in assuming that Jose's wife has no idea about you?

No, she knows. Oh, even more interesting. Are you serious? Yes, she knows about us. So I met Jose when we were both single. It was about 12 years ago. And so we work together. And he was always super flirty with all the women at the office.

Like one of those guys who's really good looking and wants to flirt with all the girls and sleep with all of the girls, you know. That's called a player in a straight world. Yeah, he's a player. Yeah. And I found him really hot and got jealous. So slowly I started to jokingly. flirt with him. And eventually, I realized he liked the attention. He started to flirt back a little bit. And I got comfortable with him. So we would flirt at work and that was it. One day, I think I was

particularly horny or something. And I told him he was so hot, I'd pay to suck his dick. The only guys could talk to guys like this. Do you know what I mean? Like only in the gay world could that go down without a girl slapping you in the face? Well, I think about it now, and that's like that's straight up sexual harassment. Yeah, it is even now. I know, but for some reason, most guys wouldn't complain. He just laughed it off. Yeah.

But little did I know. Like, he called me as soon as he got off work and he's like, hey, are you serious? And I was shocked and I was like, yeah, I can be serious. He's like, okay, I gave him my address. he came over to my house. I offered to pay him $100 to suck his dick. Please tell me you didn't take it. No, he took it.

He took it? Oh my God. Yeah. I think, okay, so he was acting like it was for the money. Right. Yeah, that makes sense. So he had to take it. Yeah, that probably in his own weird way.

We all do this crazy shit, okay, all the time. Sorry, everybody does. We mind fuck our own selves so we could be okay with certain things. You know, that made that situation more okay for him for some reason. And it really does. And we've done the money thing off and on. I'll get to that in a little bit. Okay.

So it started out pretty awkward just because we worked together and we both got really nervous. That day, I ended up sucking him off just there in my house, just a blowjob. It was nothing else. It was great. I was really into him. He has such a great body. Extremely good-looking guy, which I feel like I couldn't pull that kind of guy

if he was just a regular gay guy out in the world, and I was attracted to him. So that was great. And when we were finished on that first day that we met up for the blowjob, I was talking to him afterward, and I was like, you know what I'm really good at is eating ass. and we and he started to tell me that he really enjoys that and we sort of talked about it it didn't go anywhere we just I said by to him I saw him at work a few more times and then he asked me later if I had

been serious about that that he was curious to try out my skills so we ended up hooking up again uh same thing gave him head for a long time and eventually I ate his ass for him, and he fucking loved it. He was all about it. It was like rocking his world. And so I was like, oh, I like this guy. This time I didn't have to pay him. He was already hooked.

But that changes throughout. We kept this going for a few years, just blow jobs and eating his ass. He didn't want to suck me. He didn't want to do anything else with me. No kissing. Nothing. he asked me for money sometimes. And by money, he would ask me for like 20 bucks.

And I know he didn't need that money, but I think that's how he was justifying it to himself still. As the years went by, I was dating guys, ended up in a relationship. He was dating several girls and also ended up in a relationship with his now wife, who he happened to meet at a strip bar, she was a stripper there. And so that kind of signaled me that she would be sort of open to things.

And also ended up in a relationship with his now wife, who he happened to meet at a strip bar, she was a stripper there. And so that kind of signal me that she would be sort of open to things. So we just kept doing our thing and they eventually got married and he was playing with me behind her back. This went on for a few years. And this girl's kind of what I would call like a crazy jealous Latina. And they can be real nosy and figure shit out. So she went through his phone and she figured out what was going on and confronted him about it.

he came clean and she told him that he was that she was into it. Wow. That she thought it was hot and that she wanted to watch him with me. And so we ended up scheduling a threesome with Jose, me and his wife. Well, they both came over and it was just so awkward. I was, I was very, very nervous this first time that I hooked up with both of them. Well, let me ask you this, though, quick question, and I'll remember where we're at in the story. Are you like a gold star gay at this point?

I mean, had you ever fucked women when you were younger or been with women at all before you came out? Completely gold star. Okay, so never even. Never been with a woman at all. Okay, interesting. Okay, so now she's there. And you need to hook up with her too? Oh, my God.

She's supposed to just be there to kind of play with him a little bit and watch. Yeah. Like, I know that I'm like 99% gay and no interest. in women. She's very beautiful, but I didn't want to have to touch her. So I made that clear before. And she was totally into it, just wanted to come over and watch. And I skipped over the fact that a little bit before that we had started, he had started fucking me. And we had started pretty much having full on sex, making out. So this time when it's all three of us, we just had fun for hours. I fucked him. He fucked me. I ate his ass. We,

did oral and she is making these sexual noises like a porn star like the fake oh baby that's so hot yeah do that and i am struggling in my head to block her out because it was a turnoff it was such a turn off that's funny i think that if she would have been like genuinely turned on and was vocal about it, I would have been fine. But it just sounded like so fake, like just straight up porn fake. Yeah. And I watch straight porn sometimes that when it's like that, it absolutely turns me on. I can't stand it. So I struggled to get off like to come. And she was like totally into it. She wanted me to come on his face. And so she's trying to get me like she's trying to encourage us to come already because it's been a while. And she's still. And she's still.

starts to like finger me. And she had long nails. So I'm like, just freaking out because I have this girl with her finger in my ass. And I didn't say anything at the moment. But, you know, we got the job done. And he got what he wanted. She got what she wanted.

And they left. As soon as they left, we started texting Jose and I. And I was like, I'm so sorry. man, I can't do that. She's just too much. She touched me and the noises, they're too much for me.

I'm not interested in that. It took away from my experience of being with you. We didn't talk for a few months, and we eventually started talking again, because at this point she had said he couldn't meet up with me if she wasn't there. If he was going to be like sleeping around with another guy, she had to be there because it turned her on and that's just the way she wanted it. It was her rule. Yeah, of course. I mean, you could understand that. That's his wife. That's why we ended up not seeing each other or talking much for a few months. And then eventually he asked again and of course,

I've forgotten the big trauma there. And I said yes again. And this time I made it very clear that I didn't want her to touch me. And so they came over and she sat like outside of my bedroom, sat in the hallway floor. But she sat there and she continued those fake sexual noises that were so distracting to me. Maybe he likes those noises. I mean, who was she performing for? Well, ever since we've talked about it now and he doesn't like them. and he has even talked to her about it.

And she just refuses to stop. She says it's her thing. They're not fake, that she's actually that turned on. So maybe that's how she sounds when she's turned on. So yeah, the second time was pretty much equally as distracting. I didn't get fingered or touched or anything. But also started to notice that he was like holding back a lot more like the passion and everything wasn't there because she.

is watching and he's a little bit scared of her. Maybe that she would say we can't see each other again or that they're going to fight about it just because she's kind of a firework. So we lost touch for a year after that. And then of course we both got horny and ended up talking a little bit more again. And it came back to she will let us meet by ourselves. without her if I pay him. Oh, interesting. How much at this point? More than 20 bucks?

So, yeah, she wants real money. So now I'm paying him $300 to meet up. The price kept going up and I was like, okay, no thanks. I can't do this because the next time she wanted $400. And we've just been playing with the money aspect of this, like going up and down, trying to find that sweet spot to where she would allow it. And I wouldn't feel like, I don't know, too used on this, on the financial aspect of it. But let me ask you something, because there's a couple other things that I remember from your email is that, like, didn't you do some sort of sex work yourself when you were younger?

I did. When I was really young, like 18, 19, 20, I was kind of doing a little bit of sex work back in the day before there was. on your phone or whatever, I was getting on that website called gay.com, which I don't think exists anymore. But that's how guys hooked up back then. Everybody get in their computer and get onto this chat room and hook up. Older guys were always hitting me up. And at some point, some guy offered me money.

And I was poor. I was in college. I wasn't making much of my job. So I was like, hell yeah. And I guess I already had like kind of a horny outlook on life or adventurous. So I went ahead and did it. And to me, in my head, it was all okay as long as I didn't bottom because bottoming is my thing. That's what I enjoy.

So if I'm topping these older guys, it's not real sex in my head or emotionally. So I was able to do it okay. And back then, they usually would pay like $100, $200. And I ended up with this guy who would give me $500 once a week to meet with him at least once a week. He could ask me to meet more than that, but the minimum was once a week. And at that time, that's about a. I just had a few guys, and they took care of me. I took care of them.

Now, to deviate way off everything, later in life, I've been in therapy and whatnot. And I realized that these guys were so into me and I was missing all these cues because at that age, I had kind of matured very slowly. And I was very childlike or prepubescent looking. I was just really smart, thin and hairless. And it just, I don't know, it affected me. me more as an adult than it did back then when I was young because I was like, that's why they were so into it. Oh yeah, gross. Let's get back to your good story. Let's get back to Jose. And there is another twist. Okay, I just looked through your email so I know. There is another thing that we're

going to talk about for sure on this episode. So I'm just going to say, so the twist is you actually are also HIV positive. Now, when did that happen? You know, how many years ago? That happened in 2014. I was diagnosed in September of 2014. Now, in the story of you and Jose, you know, is it during that time? Is it after that time? Is it before? It's during that time.

It was during one of my one of our breaks or we didn't see each other for a long time. I think he had, he was newly married and had just had a baby. So it was just one of those breaks because we've been messing around with each other. for 12 years. So we've had some breaks, like I mentioned before, lasting a few months or a little over a year, messing around with each other for 12 years. So we've had some breaks, like I mentioned before, lasting a few months or a little over a year. Right. But now when you go back to him, because you've been, I'm assuming maybe you're still with him now and see him occasionally, do you wind up telling him? I told him and he freaked out for a long time.

Mm-hmm. And he went and got tested and he was fine, but we've always used condoms. We still do, like him and I, up until now. If I have sex with anybody else, I don't use condoms, but he insists on it now. And he's been okay with it since then. Mm-hmm. It took him a little while to give him to the idea, and then I had to educate him on, what it is to be undetectable and the fact that what they call it u equals you like undetectable

equals untransmissible so he came around i don't think his wife knows but i've never like straight up asked or wanted to know the details of that right but back in those days in 2014 did they have the drugs and medication that are around now crazy enough that yes oh okay because This is something they have now is amazing, right? I mean, it could just put it into remission. And like you said, and be undetectable. So you can't, right? Isn't that like it could push it down?

It's not like it goes away, but it's like in remission. I was, yes, I was diagnosed pretty quickly after I got it probably because my counts were not that bad. And I got onto one of the medications it had actually just been released by the FDA at that same month. and I became undetectable in under 30 days. Wow, that's amazing. It was amazing. It was great for me because my mental health was like suffering so much at that time. Yeah, I can't even imagine getting that diagnosis.

I mean, that probably was horrifying. Yeah, I mean, I already have this fear of death already. And it just all came to the surface. I was just in a bad spot. I was freaking out. I had always been terribly afraid of HIV, yet I was being pretty promiscuous. I was a big slut. And I thought in my head I made it okay.

I thought I was okay because I was using condoms at that time. I used to refer to myself as a condom Nazi because I would not have sex, anal sex, or anybody, any guy at all, without using condoms. Yeah. So that's even more horrifying because you did everything right, you know, to protect yourself. and you still got it. That's fucked up. That's crazy. I thought I was, so PrEP had just come out before that? Are you familiar with Truvada and PrEP, the pill that you can take? I've seen commercials. That's the only thing that I know about it.

You know what I mean? I know the name because I think there's a commercial, right? It's this pill that people that are HIV negative that think they're at a high risk for contracting HIV can take on a daily basis. And it prevents HIV and HIV and like 99, 98.9 or something, something really, really good. Yeah, yeah, that's amazing. Uh-huh. I thought to myself, I was like, Truvada was brand new or prep was brand new, and I thought I didn't need it. I was like, don't want it.

I don't want to put pills in my body that I don't need because I'm safe and I use condoms. even though in my head I know that you can contract it via oral sex, the chances are pretty low. And I also knew I was involving myself in really risky situations, just like going to bathhouses or just hooking up with a bunch of random men that increases your odds extremely. But I was making myself feel better with the condom thing. I felt really safe about it. And so when I actually went and got tested and it came back positive, it was just such a huge shock to me. It was devastating. Luckily, I had a boyfriend at that time, and he was very supportive about it.

We were in an open relationship, so he knew I was fucking around, and he was too. It was in a big shock to him. But he was supportive, and I immediately got into therapy. and it took me a good two years to kind of be okay with it. And I've never talked about it. I talked about it with my friends, and I think now my sister knows, my current partner knows.

I won't hide it if I'm asked. And in the hookup apps now, there's spots for you to put, if you're positive or negative, I put it on there. But I've never really talked about it extensively to anybody else. I mean, this is the first time I've made it known publicly because there's still that stigma. Totally.

And that fear just being rejected. I hate it. Of course. Especially when you're dating and you have to disclose that to whoever you're dating. Yeah, and you said you had a partner. Is your partner still the same guy that you were with in 2014 when you got your diagnosis? No. I, we eventually broke up. I was single for a few years and then I met my current partner who I've

been with for four years. And now how do you though put it on the table? Like that is that that's the, I think the thing that it weighs on you the most, right? Like okay, moving forward, how am I going to date? How am I going to find that one? How am I going to do all those normal things that everyone else does because I'm going to have to like tell somebody this, you know, what do you, what did you decide? Like, how did you do it? Well, the psychology of it's interesting because guys don't want, if you tell them right away, yeah, they bail. Right. Usually. Now it's like a lot more progressive and guys are all a lot more open to it. But back then I just kind of learned if you tell them right away, they bail. But if you wait too long, they also bail because they feel. And

they feel lied to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's just, where's that sweet spot? Even if you haven't had sex with them. So I was always trying to find that, like you said, a sweet spot of we've known each other for a bit.

And now he's into me. So now he's invested. We haven't had sex. So now I'm going to tell him. Yeah. And I did. And luckily my partner was very accepting of it. like it wasn't a big deal to him.

Mm-hmm. I was like, my voice was shaking and I wasn't having a good time at all having this conversation. Yeah. And he was like, okay. Yeah. So I've been lucky in that way that he's completely accepting of it. I'm positive and he's still negative. And you've, since 2014, because you take those meds and you went undetectable in 30 days.

Have you remained undetectable all this time? Is that how it goes as long as you take your medication? It doesn't always go like that, but I've been really lucky that I have remained undetectable. But I'm really compliant with my medications. So I take them every day no matter what. It's probably been a few handfuls in many years that I've forgotten to take my medications. And so if you're consistent with it, it's the you're a lot less likely to develop a resistance for it to come back to a detectable level.

And how many times you get tested once a year? Every six months. Every six months. And how do you think when you go back every six months, is it still that same fear? Like, oh my God. No, it's gotten a lot easier. Yeah. I got lucky that when I was first diagnosed, the doctor that I was referred to was

super patient and kind and had gone through this since. the 80s. Like he was one of the very first doctors in a major city to start treating HIV positive men. And so he was extremely patient and just very helpful in getting used to the medical aspect of being positive. I go in every six months, which I think you don't have to anymore, but I've just always stuck with that. Get my lab work done and get all the usual routine testing done. And carry on. Yeah, I think what people don't understand, and I have friends that never go to do mammograms and stuff. I'm like, you'd be a lot less scared if you did it all the time because then a lot of time hasn't

passed and it's less scary when you go more often than if you go less, right? And I think, you know, you're going every six months, that would make it less scary. Because, you know, six months ago, you were fine. Most likely six months from now, you're going to be okay. If you waited three years, that's going to be fucking scary because you're like, who knows what's happened in three years, do you know what I mean? Exactly. It's how it is also with testing.

Yeah. Like if you're promiscuous or whatever, if you're having sex with other people and you're getting tested on a regular basis, it's not as scary as if you waited several years. Because if you've waited several years, you're like, oh, shoot, I've been with so many people since I last got tested. 100%. It's that same mentality. Yeah. Absolutely. So let's go back to Jose because I think it's interesting.

You know, at this point, though, where we were with the story is like, you're his girls. Like, you could see him, but you got to get paid. Okay. So you set up like a money situation. Is he still paying you to this day to see him? I am still paying him right now to see him. I'm actually seeing him this Friday. And it'd been a while because I get mad.

I get mad about the paying thing. We're friends. We have a good connection. And I just don't want to do it. I mean, at this point, is he like a broke dude? I mean, do you think he might actually need the money? I mean, it is $300 now. We're talking a little bit.

It's not $20. You know, does him and his girl, like, have no cash? Like, could it be like that they actually need the money? A little bit. They have three kids and he's never had like a high income job. Yeah, yeah. Well, kids are fucking expensive. Do you have any?

Trusts me. Yeah, maybe he needs the money. So look at us like you're doing him a favor. Like, you know how he mind fucks himself in the beginning? I get 20 bucks. I'm not gay. You just like look at it like every time he comes over, you give him the 300, look at it like you're helping out your friend and it has nothing to do with the sex that you're having. You're helping out as kids. Yeah, maybe that's a better point of view. And I do always

have the option of free. She just has to come over. Right, but you can't stand her. I can't stand her. You can put like you could put some headphones in. I don't know. Wouldn't that be hilarious. I guess I have my noise cancellation. It's so interesting though that, I mean, because if she like, like, did he ever say to her like, listen, you could come, but you just can't make those noises? Like, did you ever tell her like come along, but just shut the fuck up? I have said that and he said that he's brought it up to her. She's kind of, like I said, she's a wild woman and she's like, no, that's my thing.

She's like, fuck you out. Right, right. She's standing her ground. Fuck you. I'll do what I want. Right. Okay. So she doesn't come over really anymore.

No, I haven't seen her in a really long time. Right. But you see him, he eventually, though, got okay with the HIV thing. And I'm assuming you guys are always, like, protective. Like, you obviously were always into condoms before. You obviously are into condom usage now with him. Yes. Uh-huh.

Yeah. It's not optional with him. And it doesn't bother me. So it's like not a topic between us anymore. How often do you see, Jose? It comes and goes. For the reason that I was telling you earlier, that it bothered me to have to pay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it just depends like, oh, how much, how much am I missing him or how anxious am I to see him? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you are in an open relationship, so your guy knows about Jose. He doesn't know about Jose by name. We're open, but he's kind of a more don't ask, don't tell. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got that.

Uh-huh. So he doesn't know directly. Actually, I have told him about Jose. So he knows about him. Now, do you guys play together, you and your guy with other guys? Or do you guys just see guys separately and you're together? Like, how does it work in the gay community? Well, a lot of guys play together or separately.

My partner and I only play separately. Yeah. And he doesn't actually play. He has full permission to he doesn't do it. We have communication issues in our relationship. So I. bring it up and I'm like you're okay with it and he's like as long as you're having fun and you're happy I'm happy right well what are your communication issues we're not good at emotional

communication we both grew up in homes to where expressing your feelings wasn't really allowed and we're both in therapy and we just still suck at it it it takes a lot of effort to keep open communication for the both of us and Honestly, I grew up in an environment where, like, expressing anger or anything other than happiness and calm was punished. So now when I try to communicate these feelings, I get super anxious. Like, I just get a mental block and it becomes really hard to do. Or I'm going to, I'm wanting to have a serious conversation with him. And wherever we're at, either dinner or just sitting on the couch talking, in my head, I'm going over it.

like 20 times just like, okay, say this, okay, say this. And my and my fear level is still so high that I don't do it, even though I know he is completely accepting of me. He loves me. And there's pretty much nothing I can tell him that's going to make him angry or want to leave me. Yeah, but you're being triggered by your past. I mean, what's happening to you when that happens, your anxiety is not about how he's going to react. It's about you're going, you know, it's like child mind. You're going back to your fucking family. Like that's where that's, that's just triggering your past memories and you're reliving them. That's where it's coming from. And it's true. Typically, that's, unfortunately what is happening. It doesn't, sometimes it's good that you actually know it's not

about him, you know, because sometimes people do put it on the other person as if that's what's causing this. It's like, no, it's coming from you as that little kid who wasn't allowed and how your parents made you feel. And that's just coming up whenever that moment comes up for you now as an adult, you know? Yeah. And I mean, it's still hard to deal with. But the clarity of it that it's not him does make it easier now. And I think as I age, I'm becoming a better communicator or becoming more comfortable with being myself. Yeah.

Well, listen, it's amazing that you too as men have gone into therapy, that you've caught to the fact that you have trouble communicating. and you want to communicate better and you are trying to get in touch with those, those emotions and allowing them because, you know, most guys think it's cool not to have any. Do you know what I mean? I think they think they're fucking great because they have no emotions. I'm like, no, you do have emotions. You're just, the only one you could really express is anger because it's the only, you know, one that's kind of acceptable for men. But I have a son, he's seven years old. He has every fucking emotion on the planet, no different than any other girl. But at some point, most men are told, it's not cool. It sounds like it was even worse.

in your house because you lived in that kind of step for house place where you know everything has to be perfect on the outside i totally understand that that's more how i grew up and that's even more of a thing to be put on you because i think men in general i just are told at a very young age to you know not be vulnerable not have feelings you know a lot of feelings aren't are positive the whole thing boys don't cry and crap like that yeah absolutely So now I know that So you still play around With a lot of other guys too

I mean like where do you meet? Like how many married guys do you feel like are out there? I mean I know that you say you play with other married guys I'm assuming there's tons of them that their wives have no idea right I mean because I know from doing my show that this is happening all the time There is Kathy there is so many Men out there that are are married and just on the DL just playing around I don't know if they're by or curious or or what their situation

is or fully gay. Sometimes I'm like, this guy's gay. Why is he even married? Why is he even trying to pretend? But mostly I'm meeting them on the apps. Grindr, there's a newer one called Sniffies. So Sniffies is web-based, so you don't even have to download an app on your phone. You just type in the website and that way people hide it really well. Right, because I was thinking, like, you know, how is a married guy on Tinder? He's not showing his face, is he? So this is like a real D.L. kind of a thing on sniffies. It's more private. Yeah, it's because if you delete your internet history, you really can't be, I don't know, that you can be traced unless you're sloppy. Right, right, right. The people in your household can't trace it. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I never thought of that.

Right. If you have Tinder on your phone and you're married, your wife's going to be like, what the fuck you have Tinder on your phone for? And same thing with Grindr, I mean, I've known guys that delete it and reinstall, delete and reinstall. Because they don't, They don't want to get busted. But now that Sniffy has come around and made it so much easier for them, I feel like I run into a lot more of them. I'm not saying that I'm hooking up with all of them because when they're on the DL, they're kind of weird or annoying. They don't have pictures. They don't want to send pictures.

Yeah. Yeah, of course. Everybody has pictures. You have all these high-tech phones. There's no excuse like before. Yeah, but I think they are so petrified that you could take that picture. now you have it and what will you do about it? There's a chance you're a fucking crazy person, you know, and I don't know.

I would be paranoid too. I totally understand that paranoia, especially if you're on the DL and you're doing something like that. You know, my old co-host Tommy, he used to work on my show. That's why I met the Maverickman. I know you said in your email you listened to that episode. My old co-host, Tommy, he owned a very famous bar, gay bar in the city called The Ritz, right? And so I used to always go over there.

And there were so many guys. These are city guys. They, before they got on the bus, I went home to the burbs, they came to his bar, sat at the, sat right at the bar, drank their drinks and hooked up with guys, you know, and met their guys. And they had this whole life. And then they go home to their wives. And their wives would never know because they're coming from work straight there and then going. But, I mean, I saw it back then. This is like, it's just tons of married men sitting there, you know?

I think, you know, like sexuality is fluid. men are very curious. As much as women. Of course, as much as women, that's what I always say on my show. It's like weird because in my time, it became okay for women to be with women. There was a time that there were still a stigma, even in my life, for women to be with women. And then in the 80s, stripping became like the thing to do along with like going down on girl. You know, girl on girl action.

It became cool. And it was a thing. And so every girl was like, I got a girl crush. and they were all making out with each other. And then, you know, every girl is out and proud. But I just don't think that ever happened for guys. And I'm like, why would you think that there's more bisexual women than there are men? I think there's a spectrum.

I think most people fall somewhere in the middle. And I'm sure there's as many men who are open to guy and guy action as women. And I have guy friends that say the dumbest things. Well, it's more natural for a girl to be interested in another girl because women's bodies are so this and that, but it's not for a man. And it's like the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It has nothing to do with that. I just believe that there are tons of guys.

And I know because I have my show, you know, and there's since the beginning of my show nine years ago, I have had guys on her or sucking a dick every now and then. And they are married, quote unquote, straight, you know, and it doesn't mean, listen, just because you're blowing guys doesn't mean that you're gay. Like you said, a lot of these guys may be thereby. Some of them might be totally gay. But some of them just sometimes like to suck a dick, but they're not out and proud about it. Like girls can be because there is still a stick. around it and it's weird. I think the younger generation aren't about that at all. They are open, the men, the women, everything. So it's changing, you know, which is great, but it still exists.

But so you do like, so your hookups though with these married guys, like you say that they're annoying, but where do you wind up meeting these married guys? Like is that a lot of car sex, hotel sex? I mean, because like if they're married, they get you and your guy is kind of like a don't ask, don't tell. They can't come to your house. Like where are you hook? up with these dudes. No, they do come to my house. So my guy travels a lot for work. He's gone almost every week during the weekday. Oh, okay. So I just have the house to myself and they'll come over here. Oh, okay. Wow. And now are you a top or bottom? I forgot you're just the bottom, right? I'm verse bottom. I can't come from topping, but I do enjoy it. Right. And what do you find that you,

most of these married guys are like what are they typically looking for uh it varies some of them are like dying to suck dick others just want to lay back and have their dick sucked and then if you just want to full on fuck like normal or not normal but just like gay sex everything yeah kiss kiss fuck or eat ass what you know what makes me sad about some of them is when you know that or when i get a sense that maybe they're gay and they're just like super hungry for that male to male contact when you can feel like all these emotions coming from them. Wow. You feel the longing.

Yeah. Definitely. You can, I can be straight up just blowing this guy and, and he starts like trying to hold my hand or just like gently caressing me. And you feel that energy of longiness and just them be. being happy that they're getting to do what they probably dream about a lot or think about. And I don't care if their wives know or not. I don't ever ask.

Like they could be cheating or their wives could know. I find it that it's not my place to ask. Because I mean, there's that potential where I could feel shitty about myself that I'm what you would call homewrecker or helping their guy cheat. Some people would say that and some people wouldn't. I mean, I think people either feel one way or another way. Jose, the guy that you've had for a long time, his wife knows. And I think that that's great.

That's preferable. I mean, you have, like, it sounds like Jose and you have, I don't know, like, do you think Jose fucks other guys or I don't think so? I've asked him many, many times. Yeah. And he's always denied it. And basically he says it's not that he doesn't want to. It's just fear.

Yeah, I think you opened, you created a window of opportunity for a guy like Jose and he fucking took it. But I think that because of the way he rolls and maybe he still has that stigma attached, you know, the same guy that needed to get paid early on to make him be okay with it, I think he is not the type of guy

that's going to go looking for it himself. I don't know. I mean, I could believe, like what I'm saying is I could believe that he hasn't just because of like the things that you told me about him. But if he was with a million guys, you know, I wouldn't be surprised either. But I could see how his personality, the way he rolls, that he is telling the truth that it can't. Because he would need somebody to like really hit on him and make the opportunity, make it not seem like his idea.

Yeah. I'm, I'm his safe person. Yeah. And he, his ultimate fantasy is a transsexual woman. And recently we've talked about. okay, if I can find someone, a woman, a trans woman that's willing to have a threesome with us, that I would do that kind of to fulfill his fantasy. And he's open to it, but you can tell it he'd be like, he's still nervous about it.

And I don't know why he's nervous about it. I don't know if it's stigma. I don't know what goes on inside his head because his wife knows about everything. His wife knows about all his sexual desires. Yeah, but he just might not be comfortable with his sexual desires. I think, you know, it's one thing for something to be a fantasy, but when you cross the line into reality, you never know how it's going to feel, right? Like, you know, it's probably something maybe that he watches, jerks off to. He knows that he wants to do it. But I think until you've done something in real life,

I could understand being nervous about it for sure. But I think, you know, if you want to make that happen, he's told you he's into it because he wants you to make it fucking happen and pull him along. And he's going to cross that line with you. You're going to, you are his, you being the safe guy is you're going to make that situation safe for him. I probably wouldn't be as excited or turned on as him. So I'm not too anxious to get this type of threesome going. Right. You're doing it more for him than for you. But yeah, but yeah, exactly.

So when we spend enough time together and I start feeling, you know, good about our relationship, I want to do that. Yeah, but tell him that's for. free, fucker. If I set this all up, sorry, but I'm not paying you. Right. Yeah, I think that should be the deal. You're going to do the work emailing back and forth scheduling. That's a lot of time. Fuck him. You know, you're not paying. He, you, you're doing the work for that one and it's not even for you. So that's a freebie. He has to stand up to his woman if she insist on it. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Absolutely. Yeah. He's got to just stand up. Listen, I give Jose credit for being super honest.

You know, he could be seeing you behind her back, not taking the money. I mean, you know, he sounds like a pretty straight up guy, the fact that he's been so honest with his wife. And she said, oh, you can't go unless this. And he still abides by it. You know, a lot of guys would just be like, whatever, I'll just see you on the side, you know. So I like Jose. He's super honest. I like him too.

But don't give Jose too much credit. He's only so honest because his girl is super good at stalking him. and just looking into all his phone. Okay. Then I give her credit. Let me tell you, that bitch has him wrapped around her finger because he really is straight up and he doesn't make a move without being honest.

So the kudos goes to her. Absolutely. She should give a class. He would lie about it, but she's going to catch every little lies. Yeah, I like her. So he might as well be honest. Yeah, I like her. She should teach girls in class how to get your fucking guy in line and get him to be

honest. This is how you should check his phone. This is how you catch them. This is how you tell them to fuck off and be honest. This is how you make it work. This is how you make it last. And this is how you get them, you know, an otherwise un-unest guy to be honest. So it really, it's really his wife.

If only she'd just not make those dumb noises, she'd be great. Yeah, she could have her fantasies fulfilled. She could be here watching. But she doesn't want to stop doing the noise thing. Oh, my God. That's so funny. Listen, Michael, thank you so much for calling in and sharing your story. love that you found my show. I don't know if like did you find it because of the Maverick Men episode or were you always listening to my show?

Like I was Googling about sex podcasts and yours came up and I started listening to it. I was immediately addicted and started looking for those specific episodes. Yeah, there's a lot of them. Keep looking. There's more. And now you gave me a good one, Michael. I love this episode. I think it has a little bit of a lot of different things. I've never talked to somebody who is a HIV positive. I think that information in this episode was super interesting. There was a lot of layers to your story. And so, and I love it. If you want to send me an anonymous pick for my Patreon, you can. People do. Even guys do nowadays. But, you know, no faces and no dick picks. But because you call it to my show, I'll also give you free access to my Discord. So you could go in there and talk to people. But thank you so much, Michael, for calling in. Thank you for having me, Kathy. Thanks. Bye.

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