Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1065 - Brian is in a Non-monogamous, Very Open Marriage and They've Been Open from the Get Go

Episode Date: March 19, 2025

Brian is in a non-monogamous, very open marriage and they’ve been open from the get go and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including the blowjob he got from his co-worker and exactly what went down and then the threesome him and his wife had with her, how and when he realized he was non- monogamous, how he started bringing it up on dates and how the girls would react, how he met his wife and how she reacted when he said he wanted to have open relationship, how and where they started picking up chicks together, the rules they had in the beginning, how and why his wife never gets jealous but the one time she did, how he feels when he sees his wife with other guys, how he got past his jealousy of guys with bigger dicks, the porn party they got invited to and why he’s nervous to go, how being in the lifestyle brings people closer, the party they went to and how and why three guys got thrown out ,the “tell” that you’re a newbie at a sex party that you want to avoid plus a whole lot more. YOU CAN FIND THEIR SHOW AND MORE HRE: https://www.themaskedswingers.com **To see hot pics of BRIAN plus see pics of my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://butterwellness.com/ For 20% off your Butter Wellness perineum massager use code STRICTLY https://beducate.me/march2025 Use code anonymous to get an additional 10% off the campaign’s current discount - that’s 60% off Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcas Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Layla story. He is married and he is in the life. and he's been in the lifestyle and in an open non-monogamous relationship for the like the past many years and he talks all about it. He talks, you know, about when he started realizing he was open to being in the lifestyle and what he did that made him realize that when he started to realize he was like into non-monogamy and then how he started trying that out when he was dating and then how he met his wife and then how they decided to roll like right from the get-go they were open and she was down for it. And but he talks about like how things progressed. They first started hooking up with women. Now they do swaps and all that kind of good stuff.

He gets very specific. He's really interesting to talk to. We go on a lot of tangents about really interesting lifestyle things like bigger topic things because he's a talker and he goes there and I enjoy that. And I think you're going to love this conversation because it's super informative and you hear about his whole journey. So I'm going to put links to all of his stuff so you can find his podcast in my description. I have picks over of them, him and his wife over on my Patreon. But anyway, I'm going to get right to and be right back on with Brian. Hey, Brian. Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. How are you today? I'm doing great, Kathy. How are you? Good. I talked to your girl Lela. She's your co-host. I had Lela, your co-host on the show. You did. I heard she was talking

a little shit. Not really. Well, it was kind of funny. I mean, like, listen, you know, I was going to have you guys on together because you run a podcast called The Mask Swingers. We'll give a shout out to that when that comes up in the story. And I'll put a link to the show in the description. But it was kind of funny that I learned from Layla. And we'll get to this in your story too. She's like talking about how she just loves giving blow jobs all the time. And she's so good at it.

And she obviously is because she like loves nothing more than to have a cock in her mouth. And then like it's at some point she starts working for you. And I'm like, oh, do you ever like wind up poking out with you? She's like, oh yeah. His wife told me like he wanted me to blow him. I was like, of course. Because like all you do is walk around talking about how great you are at giving head and how much you love blow jobs.

Of course, he was going to be like, I want one of those too, right? I mean, word on the street about Layla was she's good at give it head. You guys are working together in kind of a lifestyle world, right? Like you kind of got involved in that world, but in a work way. But then you did kind of hook up, right? She's thrown you a couple of blow jobs here and there. So, no, Layla, yeah, Layla and I were working together. And I have a really hardcore rule not to hook up with people that I work with.

It is, it's something that started in tech. where I just seen it turn into disaster, especially like a guy. I don't ever want it to get misconstrued. So I have like a hard line in this. You might as well be my sibling at that point. Especially if you're working directly with each other, especially if you're like top of the mountain. I mean, if you're like on the same level, I'm sorry, I fucked tons of people that I worked

with. Okay. Like shit goes down. People meet their partners at work. But if like someone's like your boss and someone's your assistant or like there's certain relationships in the workplace, I think that are very. like, oh yeah, you don't cross those lines. But, you know, I mean, other, if you're like, you know, both assistants or both on the same

level, why not? You know, I'm not trying to knock anybody for what they do. And if that's good for, I just didn't want to get M-Tude ever. So I was just like, there's so many people to connect with on the planet. I don't have to connect with people at work. Yeah, you were broader in the wrong generation. In my generation, no one got M-toed. You could fuck whoever you want.

Guys were like grabbing girls' asses in the hallways and no one got to say a thing. But, Kathy, you know I have this rule. I'm going to tell you why. It's trauma, all right? Because they said when I got to college, when I got to college, they were like, don't hook up with girls on your same dorm room floor. Oh, my God. I was going to say, yeah.

Of course not. I was like, no, I did it. And yeah, it got super awkward. You had to live there for a year. So, like, yeah, I was just like, you know, in the future, I'm just not going to help with people that I work with. You know. But you did hook up with Layla.

Later, I did. So once you didn't work for me anymore, we did hook up. because people don't know so Layla not only is she does she say she's a good at blowjobs but she was saying I'm convinced I can make any man come from a bow job so she basically issued a challenge and I will say she did not make me come from a blowjob she didn't she didn't she didn't now why was it because you didn't want to give it to her no exactly I'm a brat oh my god you're one of the you're super competitive you're like fuck you I'm gonna I'm gonna be the one I'm gonna be the one that you can't make come

Exactly. That's me. Oh my God. That's so funny. But wait. And then you did. I'm just going to get to the end of your story. Then we're going to go all the way back. But then you did eventually do like a wife swap or something. Like you fucked her with your wife too, right? Didn't you have a threesome with her eventually too? We did, and she was so weird about it. We were leaving a play party. We were on a long drive back to our hotel, because she rode with us. And at the start of the drive, we asked her, like, hey, do you plan on playing with us when we get back? She was like, no, no, I'm not going to. And then, I mean, the whole drive, she was thinking about how much she regretted saying that

and how much she wanted to play with us, but she had just, like, no came out of her mouth automatically. Yeah. And so we were like, okay, whatever. And so, yeah, when we finally got back to the hotel, we parked. and I was waiting for her to call it Uber and she was like, yo, can I come up upstairs? And you're like, okay, like, yeah, that's fine. I don't know why you've been so weird about it

from 45 minutes in the car. Yeah. But yeah, she came up and it was kind of like, because of that, though, it felt spontaneous, which my wife loves spontaneous hookups. Yeah, okay. The planning phase of it, she hates, but it takes away from the fun.

She, like, loves finding couples in people in the wild, especially. Yeah, I want to talk to your wife. I know girls like that. It's not the rule. It's not typical. right but I know some people who roll like that that's interesting it's not typical and it's not easy right you're going to get much more sparse play but the stories are going to be better yeah totally totally but this is a story too because she's like she's now she's being the bratty one I'm not gonna blah blah blah but then she did

but then she did and it was a blast and I remember I mean there's some I don't know if she told the story there's some fun stories from that night like my wife I just bought this lotion that I think just it makes me want to eat whoever wears it it's um it's like this Soul de Janeiro lotion. It comes with like a little cup. I'll send you a link because I think you might, I want you to try it on and see what your partner thinks. Okay. But Layla put this on and all

of a sudden I was like, I want to eat both these people. And it was kind of a fun moment. It was so late. You know, you get out of these play parties so late. We ordered some dinnies. And so we were going in between like, you know, eating a Grand Slam breakfast and then like eating a vagina. Oh, my God. That's so funny. It was a really, it was a really fun time. And then

we, you know, we always in our podcast saying like try something to try someone. do. And we say that, we actually live it. And so every time we have an experience, we try to try something new. And so at some point, it was like, they wanted to challenge themselves to see if they could fit both of my testicles in their mouth at the same time. Why do you have like really big balls? It's not that. It's just like hard to fit both balls and a penis end. And so the way they solved for this was they took a hair tie and like tied them up into like basically made a cock ring. And they were taking turns trying to try and So it was a blast and I was trying something new and having fun and like the play aspect of it. So that was the night. Yeah, we popped that cherry and it's been awesome ever since. Okay, guys, have you ever tried a little anal action or are you totally curious about trying a little anal action? Well, anyone who listens to my show knows that I am on a mission to get every guy out there open to anal action.

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And so the way they solved for this was they took a hair tie and like tied them up into it, like, basically made a cock ring. and they were taking turns trying to get it. So it was a blast and it was trying something new and having fun and like the play aspect of it. So that was the night. Yeah, we popped that cherry and it's been awesome ever since. Now, did you continue to hook up or was it done and done kind of thing? Like, one and done? We've done it a couple times at like, we did it at another play party.

And then we actually got invited to like a BD, a female BDSM thing. And Layla actually messaged my wife because we don't tend to play. play separately. And she messes my wife and she was like, you know, you know, Brian's come to this party with me. I've been wanting to have like three guys at once. Like, would you let him, you know, give him a pass for that night? And my wife actually gave her the pass. And so we actually got to do kind of like a mini, you know, gang bang for her. I'll say mini G. I don't know. You might have to blurt that out. And so we've had experiences like that. But it's never, we've actually never done a couple swap. That's what I was saying. They're all kind of like these like random stories.

like that felt kind of spontaneous and like we did it for the plot of it you know we're not in a relationship together like you know she she wishes i was polly though that's for sure leila because leila is layla and her guy are very extreme in the way they play even like right from the get go i got her whole backstory i want to get your guy's backstory because it sounds like you guys are very different i mean you are married right how long you married for brian we've been married for about three years now okay how long together total we we why you ask me a hard question is my wife's going to listen to uh we met in 20 around so we've been together about uh we've four and a half years then okay cool so like a year and a half in you guys got married

now exactly were you always like before her like did you have a history of being non monogamous in the lifestyle i mean like i know with her you guys are open but like what were you doing before her if you you know because this is only we're only talking four and a half years ago yeah so I started exploring it back in, man, this was 10 years ago. Oh, really? I started exploring it on my own. Uh-huh. So let's go there first.

How old were you? I was 28. Okay. And I went on a trip to Brazil. And I didn't know anything about the space. And I ran into some buddies down in Brazil. Uh-huh. And they were doing what they call a sex tour of South America.

Yeah. And so they had gone to Argentina and Colombia already. And they were just trying to like hook up with girls, go to brothels, things like that. And I had no idea about this world. And so I met these guys at night. I knew one of them. And they're like, yo, tonight we're going to go to this brothel in Rio.

And they're like, it's the brothel that Justin Bieber went to. And I was like, okay, I didn't even know Justin Bieber went to a brothel, right? So that was like news to me. Yeah. And I was like, okay, cool. I'll go check it out with you guys, whatever. And so I went in and I was just kind of like shocked by the whole thing. So, you know, it was kind of a, I was having like,

sensory overload because, well, I don't know if anyone knows how this works, but the ones down there, it's legal. Yeah. And then you walk in, you pay a fee to get in, and that includes time with a girl of your choice. Oh, you're kidding. What's that fee in American dollars around? It's pretty cheap, right? Okay.

It was like $100 U.S. dollars. Okay, all in. Entry plus any girl you want time to hook up with them. Exactly. So when you walk in, but like I already pay it, but the girl only makes. money if she actually services a guy that night. Oh, interesting. So it's a total, like, we're used to in America, like you, the guy goes to a nightclub.

We have to chase girls. Yeah. It was my first time walking into the room where like all the girls were chasing you immediately, right? Yeah. And it makes sense, right? Because if you're a, if you're a person who works at a brothel and people walk in, you probably want to sleep with the most attractive people you can.

Right. Right. So I, it was kind of overwhelming for me. So I bought two girls. I like I paid more because I was and that was my first threesome. Oh, so you bought two girls that would hook up together. Yeah. And how what?

Where do they take you to? There's like rooms, bedrooms inside the club. There's rooms in there. There's rooms. Exactly. And like you can get different rooms. You can upgrade. So it's kind of like an airline.

Like you buy the economy plus or the economy ticket and then they have like all these upgrades, right? Yeah. And so you can definitely end up coming out a few hundred bucks if you want to. But that was my first experience. And so for my first like three or four years of exploring my sexuality at that level, I would always do it outside the country. Right. So like Colombia or like Europe, people are a lot more open in Europe about this.

And so I would always go outside the country. I was scared to do it at home. Right. And then I got a girlfriend a few years later who was my wife's Filipino. This girlfriend back then was also Filipino. And I was like, you know what? Let's just go. I started getting to this point, Kathy, where I realized I was non-monogamous.

and so I started bringing it up on dates. Like around the third or fourth date with someone, I would say, hey, here's what I'm into. If you're into that, great. If not, let's just move on. And if someone wasn't into it or willing to explore it with me, I would just, like, move on and find another relationship. Quick question, because I remember exactly where we're at, like, you know, as a guy, like, how did you know that you were, quote, unquote, non-monogamous? Was it that you were, like, hooking up with girls and you just realize, like, I'm not, I don't, I'm never going to, be able to stay with just one.

Yeah. I think it's that I was, that is a great question. I'm thinking about how I want to answer this. Yeah, because you know what? I think, like, listen, a lot of people would be like, oh, that's what, what a dumb question. Like, every guy is probably non-monogamous, but they, you know, but I don't really think so. Like, I feel like because you were so intentional about it, that's super interesting.

Like, how did you come to that conclusion? So I think that I noticed certain things. that I was doing that led to me feeling like I wasn't jealous. Oh, interesting. Okay. So I would kind of like, and this is a great thing with that girlfriend, she looked great in the dress. Sometimes I would kind of like leave her alone at the bar or kind of walk away and I would take a while. I wanted to see other guys try to get at her or I wanted to see kind of women in her space.

I was kind of always encouraging it. And so there were things like that that made me feel I was a little bit more open. I also, so I was always kind of fantasizing about, like, bringing other people in. Yeah. And then I would also say that I was, like, maybe porn also impacted it. I'll be honest, because I just never felt sexually satisfied. In your relationships that you had so far. Like, it would be great sex and, like, I'd be orgasming, but then, like, I'd want to watch porn anyway.

Like, I don't know if you ever seen that movie Don John where he's, like, even though he's sleeping. with hot women, he's like, he leaves them in the bedroom and he goes out and he watches porn anyway. Yeah, no, I don't know. Yeah. And so there's this kind of this aspect of me where like something felt like it was missing. Yeah, that's interesting. And I was just like, and even if I had an awesome woman, I would have the desire to like meet other people or to cheat. And so one day I decided, like, I'm not going to cheat. I'm just going to be honest. Yeah, I love that. About what I'm feeling, what I'm experiencing. And I'm just going to see what happens. And I always encourage people to do that because I'll say this I do have a lot of female friends and when they

get cheated on what I found is that a lot of them don't feel hurt they just felt left out right they they say things like if he just would have told me he wanted that we could have figured it out right but instead he lied about it and went behind my back and that's what became the issue and so one day I just decided to be up front and see what happened yeah I love that and I'm glad I asked the question because I think sometimes when you know when you said oh I you know realize I didn't want to be monogamous I think you know some people would think of that's just means that you want to go fuck other people but a part of that was that you also wanted your partner to be non monogamous it wasn't just about you right like you realized you were interested in maybe your partner going and doing things and that was something that you not only could deal with like you realize it was like that could be a turn on you make such a great point and learning how to communicate that is so important yeah because we're not only you know We do not, we can't hear ourselves from the outside when we're speaking. Right. And I can't control with the other person's hearing.

Exactly. And I had to learn how to bring it up in such a way that they understood exactly what you just said. Right. I'm not trying to say I want to fuck other women and you not be able to do anything. I want to share this experience and this exploration with a person. Yeah, it was a lot more than just that, whereas some people wouldn't ever even consider that. And I love that you were open about it. You must be younger.

Like you're not a part of my generation. How old are you, Brian? I just turned 38 last week. 38. So you're like right around the time and the people even younger than you were even better, you know, that people are being more honest about things, you know. You could look at all the people older than you and see all their like horrifying cheating stories and their marriages where they're all doing shit behind people's back and they're all

quote unquote monogamous, but not really, you know, because everyone sort of bought into this fantasy. You got to be with someone for the rest of your life. And that's a long fucking time. You know, if you do the marriage math, I call it, you know. And some people are naturally monogamous, but some people aren't. And I love that, you know, younger people nowadays are able to be honest about it. And not just men, women too.

What percentage of people do you think are naturally monogamous, like they should be monogamous? And then if you had to bucket the other part, what percentage do you think, like, if they explored some level of openness, they would find more satisfaction and more happiness in their marriage? I think, okay, so I think there's a lot of people that think that they're monogamous, but a lot more people would be able to deal with it if they could be open. But, you know, unfortunately, there's this thing of, like, jealousy that was, like, put on people

and they just have it sort of ingrained on them by society because society told them. But if, like, it took all that away, I would think that more people would be non-monogamous than monogamous. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I know a lot of guys. I always had a lot of guy friends. And I know myself and I know a lot of my girlfriends, you know. And I know some guys that are just naturally monogamous. They've been with their girl since college and they're still just with their girl and they've

never been with anybody else and they're fine with it. But I would say that's the minority of guys that I know. Not to say that I don't have other guy friends that aren't down with a long-term relationship, but those guys have dabbled here and there. You know what I don't call those people monogamous. But, you know, they're in a long-term relationship. If they had a partner that was down with it and was fine, they'd love to probably be able to do what they're.

they want sometimes, right? I think most people would. I think more people would then would be just totally monogamous, don't you? I do. I think more people would be monogamish if they have the opportunity to. And I think that I think what happens is you think like people look at the lay of the land. They're like either I can be hardcore monogamous where if anyone does anything, the relationship's over.

On the other end is like swingers that do this every weekend. Right. And so they're probably thinking, I don't want to be a swinger. So therefore I'm this monogamous. I think most people would be down to have some fun or explore some things. They're just trying not to blow their relationship up. Yeah, of course, because they also want a relationship. They want the companionship.

Maybe they're monogamous when it comes to like their emotional part of who they are, right? Like poly people aren't. They could be like non-monogamous emotionally too. But some people could only maybe fall for one person, but maybe they want to just go and have sex with other people sometimes, right? And so that's who you knew you were. right? Because you said before, like, Layla would love for you guys to be Polly, but you're not. Like, you were down to be like with one person but have sex with multiples.

Exactly. And I wanted to explore it with my partner as a way to. And so I was lucky to find one partner that was down to explore that with me. Okay. And then that relationship didn't work out for other reasons. It had nothing to do with like just because you find someone who's down to be non-monogamous with you doesn't mean the relationship's going to work out. There's a bunch of reasons to be in a relationship with someone that has nothing to do with sex, right? So that relationship didn't work out. And then I had a series, you know, I'm the same person going out trying to find like my partner that's down to like live this life with me and explore this part of my life,

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with me and explore this this part of my life like this who I am or being my true self. I had a series of relationships and this is where I got into trouble. I had a series of relationships where the girl said she was down but she really wasn't. Do you think it's because she just wanted to be with you so she figured she'd try it. Like she was going to like listen, I think women unfortunately sometimes and I've been there done that. like twist ourselves into a pretzel to be with the person that we want to be. And it's unfortunate because it's not fun. It's not fun and it's not going to work. I think one, they were saying they said they were down because they wanted to be with me. Yeah. But however,

I do also think they were down. I just thought, I think they were down at some point in the like mysterious future. Like they were kind of thinking, yeah, when, you know, five or 10 years in, when we're bored and we want to, you know, mix things up, right? Then that's when we'll do it. I don't think it really landed on them that this was a part of like of who I am and how I am in relationships and how I kind of explore the world. And you wanted it to be right from the get-go is what you're saying. Yeah, it didn't need to be day one, Kathy.

So I don't want to sound like a super freak. No, no, no. But I mean like you, it wasn't like you wanted to spend that honeymoon time with someone for a year, two years and then, you know, get to the point where you open up. I mean, it was like something that would be coming up fairly recent, right? Like early on. Yeah. And in both of those relationships, there were opportunities to do it that came up.

I was with each of them for a year. And there were opportunities that came up and they would just keep finding excuses and reasons not to do it. Yeah. And so eventually I was like, man, they're not like, and here I am, Kathy, I'm trying to be open. I'm trying not to cheat, right? Yeah. And then the opportunities are presenting themselves and they're still. not jumping on them. So I started getting like really frustrated and irritated.

Yeah, they weren't right for you. I love that. Listen, you know, and that's okay. Like, that's how you know, uh, you know, you got to check yourself throughout any kind of relationship, especially in the beginning to see if this is going to be the right person for you or not. But, you know, you would find out that it wasn't right because you really needed someone that was going to be non-monogamous and open to that and into that. Exactly. Exactly. Okay. So, so here's where I got and this was where it got scary. So I got to this point. So I ended up single again. I don't know. I'm like 30. I don't know. What am I? 34 at the time. And and I just decided like you know what? First date before I kiss a person or do anything, I'm having this conversation to make it really clear what I'm looking for. And if they are not down for that, I'm just like I'm going to pay the bill and I'm going to walk away. Right. And I just got to this. And I mean, I had so many first dates where we're, women would say the craziest things to me. Like, I remember one was like, you know, why don't you give me a call when you,

when you grow up to be a man. I don't want to date a boy. Yeah, but let me just tell you, if I was talking to her, she'd be like, you know, some guys on first dates have said the craziest things to me. They told me they wanted to fuck other girls when they're dating me. Like, that's crazy. What you're saying to them is just as crazy as what they're saying to you. It's crazy.

And I, but that's all I was saying, Kathy, I realize I can't control what they're hearing. No, I know. To most, a lot of girls, it's going to be crazy. But it is the best way to weed out. the trash, right? It's the, it really is the best way to get to what's right for you is just being upfront about who you really are. You were being honest. Oh, 100%. And I had a coach at the time who was telling me, like, you know, get really committed to the vision you have for your life. Yeah. And just trust that life will throw people into your space that should be in your space.

Yeah, right. I get really clear about what it is and don't accept anything but. Exactly. But most people compromise and then they end up cheating, right? Yeah, I always say it's kind of like going through a drive-through. Like if you want to get what you want at the other end, you've got to be really fucking specific. You know, some girls will be like, oh, I want like a boyfriend, but you know, like if a guy came around and he's really going to bed, like,

I'll have a booty call with him, you know, but I'm really waiting for it. It's like, no, no, no, you got to like pick one or the other or else you're not. It's very confusing to the universe. You don't know what you fucking want. You just touched on like my biggest pet peeve. I like, hate I hate when women are like,

All right, I like this guy, so I'm going to make him wait. But there's other guys he's an asshole. I'm going to fuck him on the first date. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that is how girls roll. I never understood that. Well, because you know what it is. This is what the woman thinks.

Like, you know, she likes a guy. If the minute, like, she fucks him, she's going to be attached to him. Do you understand? It's going to make her like him more. So if she doesn't like the guy, it's easy for her to just like fuck him and not give a shit what happens after him, but after it. So it's not really like manipulation, like I'm trying to get you. It's more like trying, it's them covering their own feelings.

Do you know what I'm saying? Hmm. I'm telling you. I mean, if that's what you say it is, I'll believe you. I always thought it was like, if I fuck this guy, he's going to think I'm a slut. And then he's not going to want to take me seriously. So if I want a relationship, which is what I'm aiming for, then I should make him wait and earn it. Yeah.

I mean, listen, there's a little part of that. So I think it's a little deeper, but who cares? Let's go back to your fun story. Okay, we don't need to talk about that shit. Okay. I like your story better. So I met my wife. Yeah.

So then first day with my wife. Yeah, I want to hear that. All right. First day with my wife, she's like, so we met on, we met on Hinge. And her, her photos didn't do her justice. And then I found out she lied. She said she lived in L.A. She really lived like an hour outside of L.A.

And I was like, I'm never going to see this woman. whatever I just ghosted her I ghosted her stop talking to her she had the courage to message me like three days after I like some people have this rule like don't text someone twice in a row yeah but she did and so we reconnected and I was like you know let me go out with this girl she was 45 minutes late to the first day you don't know this but like I'm a I'm a I'm a stickler for time oh my god me too I would that would have been a deal breaker for me and I was like okay this is over but I'm this but she but she was driving it out from an hour away through traffic so I'm like, let me just give her a chance. She's driving an hour to come hang out. So we hung out. Our first date, we actually, like, I was trying to kill time. So I ended up, like, test driving a Tesla. I just like, I was like, I'm just going to test drive this car.

I had nothing to do. So she showed up just as I got, like, the key to the Tesla, right? So I was like, hey, nice to meet you. We're going to go test drive this car. And I swear, like, energetically, immediately, I was like, I'm going to fall in love with this person. And so I was like, I was driving that car. through this neighborhood in Pasadena, California, looking at her in the driver's seat.

And I'm a big vision person, like set a vision for your life, go after it. So I looked at it and I was like, I want this car with this girl and I want to live in this neighborhood. Okay. And so I realized immediately that's what I wanted. So then like we got back, I went back. I bought the car, right? Which is crazy.

It's like the biggest person I ever made spontaneous thing. Oh, that's so funny. So then we went out on a date and now here's what I'm faced with Kathy. I'm like, I really like this girl. I just bought a car. She matches a vision for my life. Now I'm scared to have the conversation I told myself I would have with every girl, right? Yeah.

That I would mention what I'm into and I almost punked out. That day I almost slowed out of myself. Because you liked her so much. Because I liked her so much. And I was like, man, if she walks away and now I got the Tesla without the girl. So you're no different than that girl that doesn't want to fuck the guy. You're nervous about ruining things. Exactly.

Exactly. The only difference is like I have the courage to just do it. it anyway. So I went at her. I told her everything that I said. And I've been at this point, I had learned to ask at the end of me saying what I say. I had to ask, I learned to say, what are you hearing me say? Yeah. So that they could listen back. Yeah. Exactly. And so she listened back and I was like, she gets it. She gets that this is about exploring together. So then I said, well, what do you think about that? And then she goes, I have always felt bisexual. And no boyfriend has ever let me explore that. So if you're telling me I can date you and explore my bisexuality, then I'm in.

Oh, yeah, that's major. So she had never been, had she been with women before? Never. She had never been with a woman before in her life. Okay, cool. Never been until then we just like started dating. And now, so it took us like three months to have our first experience. It was like a spontaneous thing in Vegas. But the intention had been to be open since the day we went on our first date. And now did you tell her that like, you know, the stuff that you're into, like, I really love, like, seeing or, you know, I really think I would love to see my partner with other guys too. Like, was she down for all of that as well besides playing with girls at that point? You know, at that point, she really wanted to just explore with women together. Yeah. And I was, I was fine with that because, not because like, oh, what guy doesn't want two women? But, like, I think that, I think it's really important to give people the time to explore at their pace. Yeah, for sure. I think sometimes we rush people in the play party is too fast and versus giving them the time to explore. And so like she wanted to start with women and then we went to couples and then and then we went to there. We actually just did. We're three years end to this and we just did our first like solo

guy thing last Wednesday. Meaning a threesome with a guy or her going and meeting a guy separate. No, meaning it was our first time having a threesome with a guy. Yeah. Oh, interesting. Like, it would happen at parties and stuff like that. And we had done a couple swaps. We had never done like a three, an MFM three some of the guy. Oh, okay. But spontaneously you would like fuck other people and do swaps and stuff.

Exactly. Yeah, for sure. So eventually she came around to being with other men as well. She did. Yeah. Yeah, she did. That was an interesting conversation because like, you know that's coming at some point.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, yeah. Yeah, and it's an entirely different emotional set of emotions that come up. What was that conversation like? Who brought it up? And who's having the emotions?

You? Because she wants to fuck another guy or her because you told her you want her to fuck another guy? That's a great question. What actually happened is that some friends of mine are non-monogamous. They live in another city, but they've only ever hooked up with women. Right. And that friend confides in my wife sometimes. And that friend was frustrated, getting frustrated that they would only be with women and that like men had never come onto the table. And so my wife actually came at me was like we need to bring men in. It was almost like she inherited the frustration from the other partner. But she was wondering if maybe you were feeling it or she was feeling it herself. I think she didn't want to get to the same place. She didn't want to get. Yeah, I got that. Yeah, a few years in. And so we're like, okay. okay, you know, let's try some couples.

And so, man, how did it happen? I'm trying to think about how it happened, though. It wasn't spontaneous. Right. I think someone found us on, we made a field profile and someone found us on field and added us to a discord group. Right. I think you have a discord group, right? I do.

Yeah, I love my discord. So we ended up on a discord group. And then when we posted pictures, we started getting a lot of messages. I think it was like some people like new couples, right? Yeah. And they want to kind of pop their cherries. And so we got some inbound from there. And that's what led to like our first, you know, had we not like that, had that person not liked us on field and invited us to their Discord group, I think it would have been more challenging.

And I don't know if we would have had a great first experience because it's, it is kind of like a craft shoot. You don't really know the dynamic of the, you know, the cup, not all couples are healthy, right? Yeah, for sure. But up into that point where you guys going to like swinger clubs and stuff, did that eventually come into play in your relationship? Or were you always just like meeting people out in the wild, like you said? We were just meeting people in the wild. And we were getting pretty good at it. We kind of had a system down.

What was your system? Because you're picking up unicorns, right? Like, I mean, so everyone wants to know that system. How did we get so many girls? Our first time actually we picked up two girls. So we took two girls back and they brought us. They invited us to their hotel room. What we figured out was what my wife would do is she would let you, she would let,

she would let me walk like five feet ahead of her. So like let's say we're in Vegas in the casino. She always walks like five feet behind me. And what she's doing is like one, it turns her on when other people check me out. But she would be kind of looking out for like who's interested. Yeah. And then she kind of had a list in her mind. And so at a club, we were walking through and I was a few feet ahead of her.

And she saw a girl like turn her head really hard. And she was like that one. that's the one we're going to get. But in generally, like clubs, festivals, a lot of times at festivals, we meet girls.

And so we started off just like that and like, weren't really thinking about couples. So let me ask you this. Is your girl, like I know she likes women, right? Like she was by, wanted to explore that,

that with for herself. Is she into seeing you with other women? Because obviously you're banging these women too, correct? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, she loves it. think she likes a break like we I'm really proportioned my my wife and I have sex every day oh my god

and she will that that that was actually one like at first I thought like I have to please two women and I had to change my mindset around that it's it's three people all having fun together it's not like I'm in charge of pleasuring the two of them right and then she likes watching me play so she would just like grab a vibrator go sit in a chair and watch for certain parts of this and just like kind of come over and over and over again right Right. And then I learned to like step back and let her play because she's also trying to explore her play with women. Right. And so sometimes I'm in a supportive role. But yeah, she loves it. She loves watching. She loves being involved. Some nights she does like taking a total break, right? And just and just being in the space. That stuff we figured out over time though for sure. Yeah. But like in the beginning, were there any kind of feelings that came up for her the first time she saw you fuck someone else? And how was it for you the first time you got to see? your partner with another guy

because that was something that you always knew you would probably be into. Her first time you gotta have her on the show. How does she feel the first time? Well, did she come to you and have any kind of but

like, but her? Was she a little jealous at all the first time? Sometimes there is and sometimes they just fucking love it. She was never jealous. I'm gonna tell you how my wife's brain things.

One day, I wanted to go to a play party to check it out and she couldn't go because she had like a shift of hospital. Uh-huh. And so I took another. friend with me, a girlfriend that, and, and my wife gave me some rules. She was like, you know,

you can't, at a time where she was my girlfriend and she was like, you know, don't fuck anybody, but she can get a blowjob. Okay. And so the next day when I call my wife, she was like, well, what happened with you, a friend? Did you, did she end up giving you a blow job? And I was like, you know, I gave her head, but she didn't want to suck my dick. And my wife was pissed off. She was like, how dare she not suck your penis? It was like, the only times my wife would get mad. Yeah, exactly. She's a little cup queen. She's a little cup queen. She likes that. Exactly.

She was like, what a selfish. Like, she was so mad. And I never hung out with that girl one on one again. She was like, no, fuck her. She was so mad. That's great. That's hilarious. So in general, my wife doesn't get jealous when we play with women,

unless I do something like stupid, right? If like, and I've done some dumb things for sure. Like, oh, God. The first time we let a girl sleep over, it was like a disaster. Why did you, like, spoon her instead of your wife? So, like, I was in the middle, that having in the middle. I didn't spoon her, but the girl, no, actually the girl was in the middle. What happened is, like, the girl woke up and then all the night.

Yeah. I woke up. The girl was horny. We had just all played. So the girl was like, oh, you should put it in. And then we'll wake your wife up and she'll join in. But, like, when my wife woke up and we had already started and, like, she was not happy about that at all. That could definitely go, too, in two ways.

Right? Like either she's really turned on or really pissed off. Yeah, exactly. So in the pornos, the girls is always like, just always excited. So that was me just being stupid. Yeah, well, no, I've had a girl, I had a girl on recently that that was like the hottest thing that had ever happened to her when she woke up. And you know what I mean? Like she had that, she was a big cockwheat. So you don't ever really know. But what I always say and what I think is super important because I've talked to like over a thousand people at this point, you know, is that you're solid enough within your relationship when this kind of stuff does happen, that you know you're going to be okay.

Like, yeah, she's going to be pissed, but it's not going to be the end of your relationship. Exactly. Exactly, right? Like, I figure it's like, I'm going to take this risk and we'll see how this goes. Like, that day I lost. Right. That day I lost. Now, to answer your other question, how I feel when I see her with guys, if the guy is

attractive, I think it's hot. Okay. And it's like, I like watching my wife have fun and be pleasureed. I've learned a lot about new things that she likes from other guys. Oh, that's interesting. She squirts now, but we didn't know she could do that. It was another guy that did it. And then we realized, like, oh, this is something there.

So then we explored it and got better at it. How secure of you for that to not make you jealous, like, and to just really see it for what it is is like, oh, she could squirt. Now I'm going to try to figure out how to do it myself. you know, some guys would be pissed. It might have been jealousy. It might have been like, you know, you seeing someone doing something to your partner that you don't know how to do, the competitor in you is going to think, like, oh, man, I should know how to do that or I should learn how to do that. No, that's competitive. That's not jealous.

I don't think that that's bad. I mean, you didn't get bad. I'm just saying, like, you know, and then get petty. I don't know. I think that that's, I totally get you being. I always make jokes about how guys always want to be the one, the number one, you know. So I think it's hard to see another guy be the number one guy to make your girl squirp. but it didn't deter you.

You were like, oh, okay, I'm going to, now I'm going to fucking make her squirt. Exactly, exactly, right? And I think sometimes guys also get caught up in like size, dick size. Yeah. A ton. And like, what I also learned from my wife and some of our girlfriends now is like, you would think that people always want a bigger, a bigger dick,

but that's not true. Yeah. Like sometimes, like my wife can't deep throw me. Right. And so sometimes at a party, like she wants a slimmer, it's a slimmer dick or a smaller one because she just wants to do this thing. And I could be like, oh, man, my wife's like deep-throating him and she doesn't deep-throat me, but she can't. It's like, why am I jealous about that?

She gets to go have that experience still, you know? But I really find that the lifestyle is like the backwards world, you know, the upside-down world, like stranger things. Because like in the swing or community or the lifestyle or in my world of podcasting, which I never knew because I lived in the regular world, is that like, you know, when a guy sees their girl fucking other guy, they love it if the guy has a bigger dick than them. It's like the opposite of what you would think a lot of times. You would think that guys would be like intimidated, but a lot of times that's not the case. A lot of guys that I know that call into my show that talk to me about their girls fucking someone else. Because it kind of is like that compersion thing. They want to see their girl fully satisfied.

And sometimes if she's fucking guy with a bigger dick and it feels really good. She's like really satisfied. And that's the biggest turn on. So he does it. He loves that the dick is bigger than him, you know, where you would think it'd be the opposite. But it's not a lot of times. It's not. And it's like, I mean, that's something I have to grow into also.

I used to be like intimidated by guys. guys who were bigger than me. Oh, you were. But, well, yeah, I mean, I think all guys are initially, right? Because we don't really know we stack up. But then, like, I realize that I'm the bigger dick coming in fucking other people's partner usually. Yeah.

And, like, and then my wife was getting kind of like on those swaps was getting the smaller dick. So eventually it was like, but that's not fair to my wife. She's not going to keep playing if like every time we swap, she gets a smaller penis and what she has at home. Right. So, so, yeah, we kind of had to. I had to learn to kind of get over that.

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but what I also learned later was like part of that wasn't about dick size. It was about how hard people's dicks were. Oh, interesting. And then I learned that like people were cheating. What do you mean? They were, they were taking. Oh, like Viagra or something like shit. Oh, even worse.

Like there was like a whole wave of guys who started taking like the trimixing. injections. Oh. And so they would just be like rock hard all night. And, and like I'd have to like get hard every time, right? And like it is mentally challenging actually when the next guy's rock hard and you're trying to get your shit together. Right. It's like a hard spot to be in as a guy. Yeah. And so I had to learn over time that like people were not, it wasn't natural what they were doing. Yeah. And right. Because if you thought that they were, it's like a kind of Instagram, how fake it all is. Right. You're thinking all these people look so perfect. It's all filters. right but it makes you feel bad if you don't realize that exactly exactly oh that makes so so you guys obviously started to go to play parties and stuff like that right where you're around all these people like you're not you know a lot of this sounds like you're talking at places where like shit is just going down right did you start to go to like and get involved in the like the sex parties in your area and stuff like that we did we did we got invited to one through that discord channel we got invited to one that was like 40 people our first one

And that was our first exposure to it. And then it just kind of escalated to there. From there, yeah, we've been the ones as big as like 200, I would say. Never like any of the cruises. We haven't gone to like the, we haven't been to any of the resorts or anything like that. But yeah, we've been to some big play parties. And that's like a whole other set of rules and like expectations and agreements. You have to figure out with your partner for sure.

Yeah. How was that for you guys? Like what kind of different rules do you have there? There was. So like, I mean, obvious, obvious rules were like use a condom and like, you know, check in first. At first we would only play together. Right.

So like we'd have to be in the same room, like on the same bed. Eventually when we started figuring out dynamics of people, we had like a no-go list, like to avoid these people. And usually that was less about the person, but maybe about like their relationship didn't seem as stable. So we're mostly careful of not letting people into our space that's going to cause drama in our life. Right.

And then did you eventually did that playing together? go out the window and you can play solo or go into other rooms without each other over time. Yeah, now, especially if it's a party where we know a lot of people, we're more willing to like split up and stuff. But like we got invited to a party that's three days, four days from now, actually. This is so funny that I'm talking to you. Yeah. So we got invited to a party in four days. And it is, it's not our friend group. It's actually a porn person throwing the part, a performer. Okay. Throwing it. And the entire guest list is people in the, the adult film industry.

Right. So one, they're requiring a level of STI testing we've never done before. Oh yeah, you've got through that company. Yeah, mm-hmm. Yeah, and it's like $250 and like that to get a test. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. So one, we're like, is this worth it? But now what I'm going through is like, okay, like, I like watching my wife have fun

with like bigger guys, but now am I going to be the smallest at this party? Is it like just pure monsters and like we don't know anyone here? And so here's a new space where we'd probably stay more attached to each other. Yeah. Because part of what allows us to play separately is not just a trust I have in my wife. It's the trust I have for the other people in the space. I don't think anyone's going to drug my wife or, you know, make her do something or break a boundary. Like there's been things in the past where like someone tries to pull a condom off and go raw.

And like I don't have to worry about that with the people that I know. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. A group of people like that, that concern. and all of a sudden flushes up again because I don't trust the people. I don't know if we're going to go. My wife really, really wants to go. And I'm smiling right now.

I'm always smiling when I get uncomfortable. I'm uncomfortable with it right now. Yeah, but I have a feeling you're going to go. That's how you roll, right? Like you're not going to not face it, right? Don't you think? I don't know, Kathy. In my mind, I'm like, let me lean into the discomfort.

But feeling this uncomfortable, I'm like, am I going to get hard at this place? I think, you know. Can't you take Viagra with you? But there's taking TRI-Mex injections. That's what I'm. So, yeah, I can't and I do. I got like a year supply of it.

If I'll tell you what, if I go, I'll come back on the show and I'll do another session about my first, my first porn party. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And listen, do it for content for your show. I was going to say, like, I'm going to, I'm going to check out your next couple podcasts and see if you come on talking about the party or how you didn't go. Because that's, is that what you talk about on your, on your podcast? We do. Yeah, that's fun.

We do. We talk about all our experiences, especially, like, the vulnerable side of, like, going through what I'm going to right now, which is, like, oh, man, I'm feeling uncomfortable again. I don't even think I told Layla I got invited because she will, like, you know, push me to go. Yeah, yeah. So, so we'll see. I mean, you know, on the podcast, like, we do talk about that. We've been doing a lot more stuff about women's health, women's health, men's health, like misconceptions.

You know, you've been doing this for a long time. So, you know, most of this stuff is the play is the fun part, like the interpersonal, like the relationship growth, all that stuff. Like, that's where it really impacts your life the most, right? And I think that that's always so super important to talk about. And that's what I always say, like, at the end of the day. Like, I got to get a lot of things in the hour that I'm talking to somebody, right? Like, I need to get some hot stories because that's what people are coming for.

But I always, like, love to end with. and find out, you know, how, you know, opening up that your relationship has changed your relationship or made it better. And I love when people talk about that part of things too. Because, you know, I think that there's a million people out there talking about how and why non-monogamy doesn't work. And that's what people, you know, believe. And most people, that's what they think. And, you know, I'm like, my show is here to say, I love, listen, I love a swing or gone wrong story. I'm a fucking realist. I, you know, I have reality on my show. And I'll talk about it. anything. I like a story that didn't go right. People who got into the lifestyle and didn't work out.

But I have more of the people that did because I want people to know that it actually can. And when it does work out, people are closer because of it. And like fucking Dr. Drew, I always talk about how I hate his fucking guts because I used to love him and want to fuck him because I thought he was hot. And then he's like always talking on these stupid like vanilla podcast about how like nonmonogamy never works. And everything says like, no, it actually does fucking work. Okay. I've been talking to people for 11 years. And not only does it work, like these people, because I talk to these people, and I talk to people 20 years down the line, not just newbies that could be broken up two years from now. You know what I mean? 20, 30, 60 years down the line. And people are closer and have a bond that you couldn't believe because of their open relationship. Because it really, it's like a domino effect. It just creates like over communication and that over communication and all those experiences that people are having together creates an intimacy that a lot of relationships don't have. So I'm always like, like that's what I'm here to say on my show that part of it is the most important part you know for people to understand I'm snapping my fingers I think it's a hunt like I you know and like Dr. Drew's

never like yo marriage doesn't work he won't say that exactly exactly you know so I get it yeah I get yeah I know I had one I had one horror story for you I don't know if we have enough time yeah sure tell your horror story and then we'll wrap it up and I'm going to put just so everyone knows I'm going to put the link to your podcast uh in the description I'll have you and layla back on because you're like, I could tell you could just like wrap on like topics, bigger picture. And I love doing episodes on that too, you know. And you're you're just as good of a speaker as her. I could see why you guys are both like doing podcasts together, you know, so I'll have you back on.

But give your horror story because I like a good gone wrong story. Okay. All right. So this is actually, so this is actually something that. So I've learned like, you know, you go to airport and you see the signs and say if you see something, say something. Right. And like, you do that, but like most of you don't say anything. So we were at a party, and it was going well as a friend's house in the Hollywood Hills,

mostly people we know. But sometimes, like, this guy will invite kind of Randos, and they don't quite match the vibe. So that's why we don't go to this house that often, but we're like, fuck it, let's go that night. And so we're kind of having fun, the vibe's good. And we see these three guys walk in, you know, late. And they're kind of just dressing, like, street fashion clothes. It was like, their vibe like doesn't match really. Like, you're supposed to were all black to this party.

They're not in black, right? So it was a little off. Yeah. But I was like, whatever. Sometimes this guy invites random friends, right? So I'll just kind of deal with it. And, you know, my wife was just like, I'm not going to play with those guys. Good.

So we're set. So as a night goes on, those guys, like, first they're clothed. And then eventually they like, they like take their clothes off, okay? And so here's how we knew they weren't invited to the party. I'm curious if this will land for you. When they all took off their pants, they were wearing boxers. Like oversized Haynes boxers. And like you never see that in the play space.

Like all guys were boxer. Most guys were boxer briefs or something like something sexy, not like baggy boxers. And so that's the moment that we realized like I don't think these guys were invited. And that's what happened. Like these guys heard music. Yeah. And they thought they were just walking into a house party. So they just walked in.

Oh, my. And then they realized it was a sex party. And they had the audacity then to like take their clothes off and try to jump in on the fun. Did they get any action? No. Thank God. So their boxer was their tell the Haynes, the Haynes briefs. The boxers.

They're like the like oversized bagging Haynes boxers. Like people if you're listening to this like just wear boxer briefs to the party. Like do not. The tighter the better. No, but I think like you're a little, you're like a little detective. I think spotting that was the tell. And I think you don't need to tell people not to wear those to a thing. Nobody does.

That's how you knew. Nobody would. Nobody does. That's what we all knew. It was like a full stop to the party. We had to kick these guys out. And they're like, they felt they were like, then they got all privileged. Like, no, yeah, we got invited.

Like, you don't belong here. Oh, yeah. They were horny. You can't blame them. Listen, they walk into a party and all these probably. hot people are like fucking because I'm assuming you're at like a hot party with hot people so like I don't know you know they come in and they thought it's just a regular party but then they realize it's like a party where you get to fuck people and so they're thinking oh I'm got you know and a lot of people that's

what they think you go to a swingers club if they don't know anything about it you could just like fuck anyone you want right so now they're hard and now you're kicking them out I can't be mad out of them for taking a shot like you know you you do you boo boo boo you take a shot but you missed now get the fuck out like But it was a really fun. Yeah, they might need to go on a sex tour in Brazil. That's where it's going to roll a little bit either. Yeah, they got to go back.

Look at you. They got to go back to step one. Yeah, let's roll it back. Yeah, you're so funny. I love your story. I feel like there's so much more to it. And we just scratched the surface because, like, you know, you're so fun to talk to. I could like go off on different tangents with you.

But why don't you give a shout out? You're going to send me some hot picks of you for my Patreon, right? Like R-rated pictures. And then I'll give you free access to my Discord. Okay. You could go in there, promote whatever you want, promote your podcast, tell people about it, all that kind of good stuff. I'll give you free access to that too. And why don't you just give a shout out to your, like your links and stuff.

And I'll put a link to your podcast, right? Do you want me to do that or do you have a website? Yeah, so you can put a link. Yeah, we actually do have a website. Okay. It's the mass swingerspod.com. Okay, cool. Yeah.

And then, yep, so we're on the, we're on TikTok and Instagram as the mass swingers on both of those channels, which are growing really phenomenal right now. We're also on really trying to grow our YouTube channel right now. So I'll send you a link to that. Oh, yeah. It's only going to get me started with YouTube. You could really spend a lot of time growing that and then just be deleted like I was. But I loved YouTube. And listen, if I could go up there tomorrow, I would do it again.

I would never say don't do it. But just don't spend so much time because you can get demonetized in two seconds and lose all your money. You know what I mean? But you want to be there. You get a whole other audience. There's a lot of people on there that will find you that will never find you. that will never find you anywhere else. So anyway, so.

Thank you for this. Yeah, so listen, so you're going to, I'm going to put your link to, you have a link tree. I'll put your link tree up, right? Yeah, I can send it. Our link tree has everything. Okay, cool. So you can just grab our link tree. All right, cool.

So they can find your podcast there. I'll have you guys back on. Thanks so much for calling in. Like I said, I feel like I just got the surface of everything. Thank you. And then if I go to, I'll tell you what, if I go to this porn party this weekend, I'll book another session and we'll be brief it, okay? Okay, awesome.

And I want your girl. on when your girl come on? No. Does she go on podcast? No, okay. She will not. All right. Awesome.

Thanks, Brian. Thanks so much for calling in. Thank you. We'll talk later. All right. Bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called strictly anonymous confession, secret sex lives of total strangers, is now available not only in

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