Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1102 - Jason is an Guy's Guy who’s Into Guys but his Wife Isn’t Into it at All

Episode Date: April 30, 2025

Jason is an alpha guy who is into guys guy his wife isn’t into it at all and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear4 all the details including the experience he had in high school with his guy friend and exactly what went down, how he felt afterwards, how and why he still questions his sexuality until this day, how he pushed his desires down after his high school hook up, how it came back when he got married to his first wife, the threesome they had with another woman and how he worried his wife was cheating on him afterwards, how he went to rehab and what he was using that got him there, his experiences at adult bookstores and what he’d exactly do there, how and when both him and his first wife came out as gay to each other and what they decided to do about it, the couple he started hooking up with and the mmf they had and exactly what went down, how and why they wound up divorced and what he thinks caused it, how and why he had zero desire for men after his divorce, how he met his current wife, when he told her he was into guys and how she reacted, the anal action they have tried together, how his wife reacts whenever guy on guy action talk comes up, how hurtful her reactions are for him and what he can do about it, how his urges for men has been coming back up lately and what he does about them plus a whole lot more. **To see HOT, anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: ⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠ To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: ⁠⁠⁠https://butterwellness.com/⁠⁠⁠ For 20% off your Butter Wellness perineum massager use code STRICTLY ⁠⁠⁠https://beducate.me/pd2508-anonymous⁠⁠⁠ Use code anonymous to get an additional 10% off the campaign’s current discount - that’s 60% off https://shamelesscare.sjv.io/xLQ3Jv⁠ Get $10 off Shameless Care’s female viagra cream, just click on the link and use code: Strictly Follow me! Instagram ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠ Twitter ⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠ Everything else ⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcas Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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So you could also get into my Discord that way. and it's super fun that will get you in forever. The link to the book is in the description and email it to me at strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com. Okay, today I have on Jason. I love his story. It's super interesting. It's kind of deep and has some layers to it because he's a guy that has hooked up with guys.

He's done a lot of other crazy things too. And we talk about that. But he still has like a little shame around it and he has some pushback with the woman he's with now even though she knows. He talks about his whole story, including like the first time he was ever with a guy and how that went down and how he had a lot of shame about that experience. And I think that set him up for why he still feels it now. But who knows? I try to psychoanalyze him a lot in this conversation because he's kind of like confused because of what's going on. Currently he's married. He's got a wife.

She does. It's his second wife. She knows about his history with guys. But she's not really interested in hearing about it, though they do play. And he explains that whole situation. And that's what's causing him a little bit of struggle in his marriage. But we do talk about his first wife, how things started to unfold with her when it came to other guys. They started doing three sons with women and then they both started like hooking up with people of the same sex and then he was with a couple and then she was with a woman and they got divorced and you got to hear all the details. There's so many more details. Trust me. I'm not telling you the whole story here, okay, in the intro. I promise you. There's so many more details involved in that and then they got divorced. Then he's been with this woman. But he hasn't been with a guy for a long time. But he really is struggling with the fact that this. This wife, like I said, he cannot really talk about his past experiences and his interest in guys like ebbs and flows. And, you know, recently he's starting to think about being with guys even though he hasn't been with a long time. And he hates the fact that he can't just like be honest about that with his wife because she shuts it down. She's not into it.

But mostly this story in this episode, we talk about that a lot at the end. But the rest of the conversation is like his whole journey and how he feels about being into guys and his own feelings about it as well as all of his experiences, which are all super interesting. Like I said, I did not give away the whole thing at all. You're going to have to listen. It's super interesting. He's an alpha dude, another alpha guy. Okay, he's a jiu-jitsu guy. Am I saying that right, Jiu-Jitsu?

He's like a real alpha guy that's into guys, which I love because that exists. Okay. That exists. Anyway, I'm going to be right back on with Jason. Hi, Jason. Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. How are you today? I'm doing good.

How are you doing? Good. You're kind of like whispering because you're at home and your wife's there and you're hoping she doesn't walk in on you. And I'm like, I kind of hope she does walk in. I don't think I've ever had someone get busted. I had someone stop by the cops on a call with me once, but I've never had someone get busted by a wife walking in on them.

You know, diverse opinions. It wouldn't be the worst. I could probably do it and it would be fine. I just didn't say anything about this interview. Yeah, because this is your story. Your story is you're like a bi guy. You're into guys. I don't know if you call yourself bisexual,

but you're into guys and you, you know, your wife knows about it. But because of the stigma, like, it's still on the DL or like explain your story. So it's not on the DL. I have gone eight years without doing anything. Oh, okay. So there's no DL. There's no L, D or D. Right.

Okay. So it's just been nothing other than toys, digits, that kind of stuff. Well, that's okay. I mean, does your wife partake in like pegging and shit like that and the toys and everything? The former, no, she used, we did that like twice or three times and just stopped for some reason. All right. Well, let me just get a snapshot of where you're at now. How long have you been married to your wife and how old are you guys? Two and a half years. And how old are you guys? Going on three. Forty-nine. She's 49 and I am 48.

Okay. Now is this first marriage, second marriage, third and marriage, fourth? Second. Second. For the both of you? For the both of us. Okay. So let's go all the way back. Like, when did you realize that you were into either guys or anal action? I don't know which came first. I think, like, probably, like, 12. It was, like, the normal, like, experimentation type stuff. Mm-hmm.

With, uh, playing doctor, that kind of stuff. Oh, with other people? With friends. Oh, okay. So it wasn't you going back door. It was, like, other, like, little kid friends that you guys were playing with, like other guys in the neighborhood? Just touched.

Yeah, just touching. And I think in one, we did all. Oh, well, that's kind of major, no? I mean, when you're 12, 13, that's like, don't you start dating and stuff around that age? I mean, that's not like little kids playing doctor, sorry, but 12 years old. How old are you in seventh grade? It could have, sixth grade. It could have been younger, too. Oh, that's really young. Okay, so this is like really young kid stuff. This isn't like older dating. Yeah, yeah, that didn't happen until I'd say close. to my senior, it was my senior year in high school. All right, but so you have these like little experiences where you're playing doctors, just whatever. But you like so, but then did you keep exploring yourself or was this, did you realize you were

into it? Like I don't even know how that feels at sixth grade. I mean, that's kind of like not, I don't even know if it's consensual at that age. Was it consensual play? Yeah, too young, two young kids, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it was totally consensual.

Okay. So then when you're in high school, what happens? Drinking with a good friend. He's house sitting for his mom's friend. And we get a little drunk. We watch some porn. I think he had already told me some story about him doing something before. And we started masturbating.

One thing led to another. And we're doing stuff with each other. I'm jerking him off. He goes too oral where he's putting him. is sticking in my mouth, we're 619ing, and then he ejaculates into my mouth. I remember later that night, I think I had tried to top him, which is weird because that's so anti me. And it just didn't work. It was awkward. We were young. We didn't know what we were doing. I've never heard of a guy say we're 69, but I guess why wouldn't guy is 69, right? Is that like, you know what I mean? Like,

I've never heard a guy. I'd be like, yeah, we 69, you know, because a lot of times the, the, The cock sucker doesn't give a shit if his dick is sucked at the same time. So I'm always hearing of like these solo blow jobs, you know, but here you got like both of you are blowing each other at the same time. Why not? Yeah. All right. So now, so you're obviously not atop, but at that point you didn't really know. Is that why you just like tried it, do you think?

I didn't know anything. I was just, you know, I was an athletic. I'm a football player and a wrestler. Oh, are you the jitutsu guy? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That is just not me. I didn't want any better to know. It was just us. It was I felt really bad. I had a girlfriend at the time. Yeah. It was just a it was like I felt like I did some, you know, I was doing something wrong too, right? So it was not just. Right. You're cheating. It's very loaded on so many different levels, right? This is the first time. I mean, and it's confusing. I think when you're young like that, right? You're dating a girl. So you got like that taking care of right. You think you're maybe straight. And then now here you are like a 69ing a guy. You know, so A, you're cheating on your girlfriend. B, you're hooking up a guy.

What the fuck does that mean? You know what I mean? You got a full-fledged dick in your mouth. So I could see how that would be like fully loaded, right? And bring up a lot of emotions. Yes, no pun intended. Oh, yeah, right. So I ended up talking to her about it and she was fine with it.

But that's, you know, we didn't do anything. You did? My friend, yeah, my friend and I didn't do anything because I felt bad. I love that. But that's like kind of amazing. Like immediately you were like, hey, I got drunk with my friend and we wound up poking up. Yeah. And she was fine with it?

Not fine. Well, that's what you said. Okay. I'm helping your story here. Okay. It's so good you got me on this call. We got. We got.

We got to fine. You know, she was initially not fine and then became fine. I mean, because I'm sorry for a young girl that's more loaded than just cheating. Like, not only did I cheat on you. you, I cheated on you with a guy. That's pretty loaded for a girl back in those days. You know, we're talking 20, 30 years ago, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you're lucky. But heard about, more hurt about the infidelity, you know. Of course, of course. So did you now, so were you like, what the fuck? Do I like guys?

Like, how do you feel about your sexuality at that point? I did. That was a question. I was, you know, I still today, you know, I wonder, you know, it's a hard. thing, right? You never know and you hear a spectrum and stuff like that. It becomes very confusing, I think. Hey, want to give yourself like the best orgasm ever? Guests who have called into my show have said prostate orgasms are the best orgasms ever, okay? They say they are like nothing they have ever experienced before. And that's why you need to get yourself a butter wellness perineum massager so you could have one.

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So were you like, what the fuck? Do I like guys? Like, how do you feel about your sexuality at that point? I did. That was a question. I was, you know, I still today, you know, I wonder, you know, it's a hard thing, right? You never know. And you hear a spectrum and stuff like that.

And it becomes very confusing, I think. Well, let me ask you this, because I feel like sometimes you do know, because you've gone there, you've been there, done that. Like, did that make you want to be with men even more in a romantic way? Did you realize you just like them sexually? did you realize you only like them when you're buzzed and sexual? Like, you know what did you realize when you actually went there? I didn't know and I kind of wanted to push it down, right? Like, not experienced that again. How do you feel about it now? Like, you know, how are you still

confused? Like, you haven't figured it out yet? I don't know. There's a lot of shame behind it. Still? Yeah. Yeah, it's not terrible. That's terrible for you to carry that around considering it. You're not doing anything wrong. Your wife knows about it. You're obviously not the cheating type because like the minute you cheated once you're not like you're a very honest person you know what I mean you told your girlfriend uh so uh you know why shame sad that that exists and that's just like a stigma i mean I'm a big fan of yours right so I listen to a lot of your other episodes I hear guys that are like pretending like they have to be girls and yeah and uh you know I don't really I'm only attracted waist down stuff like that I hear that all the time and that's a common theme I

I think I felt that. Yeah. I don't know if that's my true feelings or my feelings so that I can deal with the shame associated with it and be comfortable with the way I feel. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, well, that's super honest. And you can't, you know, we all grow up in a society, no matter how sort of out-of-the-box thinkers, we are our own people. You can't help but think about things in a certain way because of what society puts on you

for when you're born. You know what I mean? It's just you're born during that time. There's such a fucking stigma around guy and guy acts. and being gay even back then, you know, and being biased. And it still exists to this day. And it's sad because it's going to create that confusion no matter what for some people. So let's stay back there.

So you tell your girl, you fooled around with that guy now, did you continue to hook up with guys after that point? No. Okay. No. There was a huge, huge gap. Okay. In it for until I got married. Right.

Okay. So first wife. Okay. Cool. So when you, when you met your, now, but let me ask you. this during that time after that guy and up to the time you're married. Are you like jerking off thinking about guys sometimes too? Like is that like a thing that gets you off?

That's hard to remember. I don't think so. Well, do you jerk off to guys now? Yeah. Well, both. I mean. Yeah, that's what I mean. Most of my stuff now is like I like, I enjoy like watching the MMS stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So you like both. Everything that you enjoy in one, in one scene. The dick, I also. I know. I also enjoy regular, you know, regular, uh, heterosexual, you know, stuff to porn and also just gay porn too. I watch kind of all of it.

Yeah, okay. I'm just wondering if like after you fooled around with that guy, you know, it kind of made, you realize that that you were maybe into that and you kept thinking about that, that kind of a thing. I think the fear of everything, like how it started, how that was with the girlfriend and everything. I just felt so bad about it that I just pushed it down, I think. Yeah. I get that, yeah, because of a shame. Yeah, okay, right. It's like you just was in denial.

But then it came back up at a certain point? It did. Okay, so tell me about that. So I got married. I remember my wife told me that was, you know, you kind of try to like hunt to see if they'd be okay or not okay. You ask questions. You talk about certain topics and you get a guide by how they respond to those, right? And as to whether, you know, and my guide was tentative to be quiet and not say anything.

Right. I did push for a threesome with. another woman for a long time and got that with my ex. Okay. Which was amazing. I loved that. That was like, it was like three months worth of that kind of stuff. And I remember before all that, my wife was like, I could never go down on a woman that's

gross. I did not get, you know. Yeah. And, and I remember after. She was eating snatch the minute that woman got there. We did everything like that, me, anal, everything. You know, like it was very amazing experience. I loved it.

And the woman was crazy. The other woman was crazy. We kind of ended up leaving her. But after that, I got the sense she was cheating with other women, you know. Your wife? Mm-hmm. And? Yeah.

It bothered me. No, but was she? You didn't say if she was. You got the sense she was, but was she? Well, I knew she did something with the other one while I wasn't there. Okay. The one we did stuff with. That was, you know, like I just basically walked in and they ran outside.

You know, it was just very weird, and they told me they weren't home. And so I knew something was going on. But there was another girl she worked with that I thought, you know, that was very suspicious about. And I think maybe, but I never had direct proof. Okay. Because of that, I think I gave myself the okay to go out and experiment. Oh.

And so I didn't do that while I was married. And she never found, she to today, never found out about that. and then I go to rehab right so I go to rehab she forced me to go to rehab kind of and which was a great decision by the way very thankful are you still sober I kind not really I'm not dry but I feel like I'm sure okay so you feel like you're a difference I know you do because you I know you're a part of the program yeah so that time though where you do you think that you were drinking and doing all that stuff because of the whole guy thing by any chance? I don't know.

I don't know, Kathy. It could have had something to do with that, but I think I just wasn't happy in my marriage either. Yeah, I mean, you're cheating on her and you're not the cheating type. Like, was it, did it come? I think I just wasn't happy. She was so controlling. She was so like, you need to do this, this and this.

And I just, I don't know. But is that just when you started abusing alcohol? Was it just alcohol? Alcohol and drugs or just alcohol? I'm embarrassed. say. Yeah, tell me. I'm an everything kind of guy, but what got me in there was like pain pills and lobatussin.

Generic, you know, like dextromethrin, right? Because I wanted to hallucinate and, you know, kind of, it's a disassociated anesthetic, right? Yeah. Oh, my God. She must have really been controlling the fact that you needed to hallucinate to get the fuck away from her. Almost every night. Oh, I got to get in there.

And I was just like, I got to get away. I'm sorry. I'm making myself laughing. You're not even paying it. I'm sorry, but that's funny. So you're like drinking robitussin and taking pills. You're lucky you didn't off yourself. I think pills are really scary.

You know what I mean? Because when you are. Like those are the things that like you're not going to die from drinking alcohol. Like not for a really long time, you know, but like those pills, you mix that shit with other stuff. Like that's where people get killed. The pills are scary. So you were doing pills and robitussin and shit like that. Yeah.

And in rehab, you see that. You know, I see a lot of guys I was in rehab with that died already. You know, they couldn't handle it. they went from meth to nothing back to the dose they were taking or heroin or whatever the case may be and they owed to eat and die. Oh yeah, that's what they say. I had a friend, my best friend who died recently. And because he said, it's like you go sober on fentanyl or any of that shit.

Your body is used to it while you're doing it. And really the reason why people die from it, it's not when they're using. It's when they go sober and then they go back and it's that first time back their body can't handle it. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. So I'm going to rewind. Can I?

Yeah, rewind now. Can I rewind? So I was, during that time, I'm going to the adult bookstores. Very risky behavior, right? Going there, they have like a gay section video place, a straight section video place, and then hundreds of booths, right? And you just, you pay $10 and you go back there and there's dudes in every booth. And there's girl, I've hooked up with girls in there too.

Yeah. Like threesome and stuff like that. And I was not protected. I was just, it was such risky behavior looking back. And then when I went into AA and got out, I remember getting tested because I was just so fucking scared. Yeah, I can imagine. I got to start over from scratch, right? I got to know that I didn't do something beyond where I can come back from.

Yeah. And so I was all clear. And then I was like, I'm never doing this shit again. Right. Ever. Yeah, you made it out alive. You're lucky. You didn't get any bad of those worst consequences.

So now you're never going to test your fate again. But for your viewers and, I mean, listeners, you know, when I would go there, you know, I would blow guys, you know, to finish multiple times, you know, there might be multiple guys in a session there. I would get anal there, which I loved. Oh, you're a bottom. I am. I really enjoy that. I would not, I don't like the top. I'm not really a, I don't think I'm really a kisser. I don't really want to, anything I could do to my wife. or stuff like that. It's like, why do that with a dude? Okay.

I'm using the guy for what my wife really can't do, right? She can't stick a dick in my mouth and she can't stick a dick in my ass. That's real. Yeah. My ex-wife at the time. And sometimes you do women there too. Yeah, at once. It was only one time.

It was a guy and a girl. The guy left. I ate her out while he was leaving to get like money or something for the video thing. and then he came back and was really mad that I didn't have money and then kicked me out of the room. So I did nothing with the guy, only the girl in that instance. I was kind of hoping both. But yeah. Okay.

So then I decided not to do that. Go to AAA, get out. You know, it was great in terms of trying to build up honesty and stuff like that. So I remember my wife and I having a conversation, my ex-wife and I having a conversation after that where we basically both disclosed. that were into the same sex. So my wife did and I did. Oh, wow. Who brought it up first?

Oh, God, I don't remember. Okay. I'm trying to think back. She might have. It might have been her, which gave me the okay to do. And I was like, oh, God. Whoever threw that first ball really changed the game.

That's what it's all about. Well, kind of. You haven't heard the rest of the story in there. Well, I know you guys get divorced. Yeah, I know you get divorced. But still, the truth is always better. And even if it leads to a divorce, That's not necessarily a bad thing.

You know what I'm saying? She ends up coming out as gay. Oh, wow. At some point, right? And we opened our marriage up. She was dating, I guess, while I was in rehab, some girl in Florida and wanted to continue seeing that girl. I started dating a couple, an older couple. The guy was, the husband was a little bit.

He was very effeminate. But a nice guy, like a consultant. And the wife was. an attorney, but she was non-practicing sort of like a teaching attorney that taught like college people. But that was attracted to me because I was an attorney. And so we tied a lot in common. So we would go on. We met, I met the guy first and the husband first and told me about his stuff.

I kind of told him about my stuff. We liked each other. And then I remember we met at a hotel. And the relationship. went on for like months. So at the hotel, I remember her and I got in there. He got there. He dropped his pants. We ended up going down on him together, which I loved. I thought that was amazing. And I went down on her. We just did all did stuff together the entire time, 60-9 with her while he's having sex. We did anal with her, with me. We went to the, we got a cabin

at one time. And my wife knew about all this. It was very weird. It was very weird. No, it's not a It was kind of strange. It was amazing because we have kids and we had two kids. So I remember one Christmas, they invited us over for Christmas and we went over there for Christmas with the kids and they had presents for the kids. It was just odd, right? The whole thing. So, but it was also amazing. I still think about that experience over and over and over. Well, why do you think you love your threesome porn? It's because of that. Yeah. Yeah. I really enjoyed having that. Yeah. So. And that's the last time I've ever done anything. Hey, are you listening to my show to learn a new thing or two about sex? Well, then you need to try Beducated. Beducated is like the Netflix of sex education. They have so many different courses to choose from for men and women all in one place.

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why do you think you love your threesome porn? It's because of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I really enjoyed having that. Yeah. So, and that's the last time I've ever done anything. Wow.

So did, so who eventually said, you know what? I just want to be with like, was it your wife? Like, I just want to be gay and be with my lover and just not have a traditional relationship. My ex-wife is, I think she's a monogamous, right? Yeah. And she did not want an open relationship, which I kind of wanted. I thought, well, hey, I'd be open to a situation where all three of us lived together,

potentially, or all three of us figured it out. And she did not want that. She wanted a strictly monogamous relationship, which destroyed me. I mean, I just remember all the floor crying and just being so hurt. And I'm an alpha guy. I don't usually cry a lot, but that killed me. So you fast forward, I don't ever know if I could do that ever again, you know. like I have a lot of fear also attached to that, you know, because I feel like, you know,

doing the threesome and doing all that stuff, kind of open Pandora's box and open the door to our family being pulled apart, right? Yeah, no, you have it framed improperly. Yeah, but you have it framed improperly. You're framing it that way, and that's why it exists in your brain, and that's why you see it that way. But that's not the real picture. The real picture is the truth came out.

Your wife was gay. You were married to a lesbian, okay? Sorry. Like, and that wasn't meant to be. She needed to be with that other woman. Everything wound up to be what it was supposed to be. That wasn't the worst thing that happened. It was probably the best thing that happened.

Don't you love your wife now? You said that last one was so fucking controlling. You couldn't stand her. So really, that opening up of your relationship was the best thing that ever happened. Stop screaming it in a way that was so bad that opening up your relationship. You know what it did? It brought the truth out. The truth is always the best thing.

Your wife was gay. Sitting here, though, as a 48-year-old. man, I can say that. And you're absolutely 100% right, right? I love my current wife. She's amazing. I love my kids and I love her kids. We have a family of five.

Everybody loves each other. I mean, it's a great. It's really amazing. So, yes, I agree. But at the time, I was devastated and I didn't feel that way. And my kids were hurt. My kids are still hurt. I mean, they're younger.

Of course. But I'm just saying that it wasn't opening up your relationship. You were both cheating on each other. You were both living separate lives. Like the opening of your relationship was like the straw that broke the camel's back, but it wasn't the reason for it. So you could open up. I talked to thousands of people that are in open relationships and it doesn't lead to their demise. It led to your guy's demise because your wife only opened up the relationship because she wanted to be with, you know, the woman she was really in love with. You were cheating on her with all kinds of people behind her back. You couldn't really stand her. I know, but you could. You couldn't. You couldn't. You know, but you could. You. You. You were, I thought you were doing all that, like, adult bookstore stuff. But not before that threesome with the girl we had. Like, that was, like, kind of the thing that opened up everything, right? Like, we did that.

And then I think there was that other cool. I thought you said, like, oh, she's like, I think she's seeing other people. So I started to go and see. After, after that initial girl, after that first one. But you both was cheating on each other. Okay, come on. Like, you're both cheating on each other. I think you're right.

Yeah. you were, like two people that don't want to cheat. Let's try to be honest because you don't want to really do what was probably necessary to your children and all that stuff and leave each other. But unfortunately, you had to because she wanted to live her truth. And that's what happened. So I'm just saying if you wanted to have an open relationship again, it would never go that same way.

That was not, that was doomed for failure. You opened up your relationship after you both copped to cheating on each other and your wife being more into women. Like, of course. relationship is like going to last. But I have a lot of baggage surrounding that, right? Like a lot of mental stuff I probably still have to deal with surrounding that. And then it makes me wonder, like, I stepped, like in my threesome with the girl and the guy,

I was telling you about, I stepped into their relationship, right? Yeah. I've never had anybody step into our relationship other than the girl, like another guy, right? I don't know how I would feel about that, you know? I don't understand what you're talking about. I don't know if I would have feelings of jealousy. I don't know, you know. Maybe you're a monogamous too.

Maybe you're like your wife and your, listen, you guys, like I said, you guys only had an open relationship because your relationship was so fucking messed up and you didn't want it to be over. So you were doing anything to keep that relationship together. But that wasn't, right? That's really the only reason. You didn't open up because you both were like kinky and wanted to explore and you had all this great communication. You wanted to live out your fantasies with each other.

It was like, things were in the shitter. She was like wanting to fuck girls and that's what she was into. And you were like, okay, great. I could go fuck guys. that's what I'm into. And this is our way to not end things because you had both cop to cheese. So it's, you know, opening your relationship. You did that to solve a problem that was already there.

The problem that was already there is what ruined your relationship. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. So after that, I dated only girls. I dated, even while we were together, I dated girls. Like, wow, my ex-wife and I were together. Yeah. When we opened, after that, I dated, you know, girls and she hated them.

They're all crazy. other than her and then we ended up splitting up. Well, maybe she was wanting to fuck that. Like, you know, she had a thing with girls. I mean, that was like her thing, you know? So maybe she hated them because that was like what she was trying to repress in her own self at the time. Maybe she was, it was very hard. I'm sure it was hard for her to come to terms with her being gay after being a heterosexual woman with a wife and kids, right?

I mean, how hard is that to come out as I think? I get it. That's pretty major in her life. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

still with that woman? She is. She got married. No, not the woman in Florida. She ended up finding another woman on Tinder who lived in, I'm just going to say, another state, right? And so they ended up getting married. The other lady tried to relocate. She as a kid, too, wasn't able to. So now they're married. They live in two different states and go back and forth. I don't know. It's weird. Right. Okay. That's how they do it. That's how they make it work. Yeah. Okay. How long have you been divorced from her? I had to look that up this morning because I wasn't 100% sure, but 2017 is when all that happened. So that's the last time I kind of really, that's when the divorce was finalized.

That's kind of the last time I had ever done anything was before that, probably. So about eight years, nine years is like the last time I've had any experience. Right. So even though you were single after you got divorced and you could have been with guys, like you didn't even want to do that. No, there was really no desire after that experience with the conversation. with the couple. Okay. There was just, I'm going to tell you. So the experience with the couple ended because I was more into the woman than the guy. Okay. So the way it worked is, and I tried. I really did,

Kathy. I was like, you know, because I went to a sex therapist that was really good here. And she was like, she was talking to me about shame and stuff like that that you've, I've heard you talk about tons of times, right? And she said that, well, how do you know unless you try? So I actually tried. I dated the couple. I dated both of them individually too we would go out on dates um i just and maybe i just didn't give it a fair try because of the shame but i i didn't really dig the guy that much it was mostly bigger i was like oh she's she's i i could see myself still dating her but not him okay and then and then i was like it made it even more confusing in my head as to what's going on what the fuck is am i all about why because you couldn't like the guy uh because

I didn't really have any type of feeling. I tried. We tried stuff. We even did stuff individually, not just as a group, right? I would do stuff individually with the girl. I would also do stuff individually with the guy and we would go out on dates and have experiences together. And I would even try to kiss. I would try to cuddle.

I would try to talk and be romantic. It was very difficult for me, you know, the scratchiness of his beard on me, the, just something. You know, and I have a beard too. So I was just like, yeah, well, fuck. Okay. So that, but you, but you try, like, that could just be your answer. Like, there could, that could be the answer. Like, you're not into it.

Like, dating a guy. You know, you're not into anything more than the physical stuff that you do. Like, that could be their answer. Yeah, or it could be just him. I don't know, but a lot of guys have scratchy beards if they don't shave, unless they're shaving every minute of the day. Most guys show up with a scratchy beard every day when that's, most likely any other guy you'd quote unquote date is going to have a scratchy beard.

I don't know. You might not like guys more than that way. I don't know. But I think you're right. I think there's something to that that I just, for me, it's more just sexual. I'm very versatile when it comes to sex. And I'm just very versatile. So I'm open-minded to whatever kind of when it comes to a sexual experience. Did you ever listen to my episode with Joe Cort? Dr. Joe Corp. Yeah. I don't know, but the headroflexible versus five. He doesn't even ever say heteroflexible. He talks about how there's a difference between your sex. I am. I don't know. He doesn't know. He doesn't even ever say hetero flexible. He talks about how there's a difference between your sex. He's. He's. He doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't. He sexual identity and your erotic identity. And so your sexual identity is like, you know, what you're into sexually and your erotic identity is like what you're into when you're in the middle of sex. Some people are into men and some people are only into men when they're in the middle of sex. That's like your erotic or it's orientation. It's your sexual orientation versus your erotic orientation. So he's like there's plenty of guys out there that could suck a dick, but it doesn't mean anything. It's just in the middle of sex when they're horny, they want to suck a dick. But they're not like, interested in guys. It's not their sexual orientation. Whereas there are guys that are into guys,

and that is their sexual orientation. Yeah. I still think I'm confused with it. I don't think I'm really into, I don't know, you know, like I haven't tried right in eight years. So nine, almost nine years. So I have no clue. Yeah, it's interesting because you could have tried though too. It's interesting because you stopped during a time where, you know, you're going through a lot of emotional stuff. You're getting a divorce. And then you have this weird situation with this couple that went bizarre. It sounds a little weird because you're trying to date them both, but you're into the guy, the girl, not the guy. You know, so it's like a confusing thing that it sounds like did it ever get settled. And then that's like your last experience. No, she said, she said that she didn't

want to do anything unless I was doing both, you know, like I was having experiences with both. And I respected that. I was like, I get it. But I'm just not into having that experience, that other experiences much. I like the whole three together. That was good. But I don't know. I think the shame too is also a part of that. You know, it's been an underlying thing the whole time. the shame of being with the guy? Yeah, for sure. Do you think it's because the first time you did? Well, yeah.

Do you think maybe it's like did you try to unpack maybe that first scenario because you were cheating? Like maybe the shame was just because like left over from that first experience because you were doing it behind your girlfriend's back. You know, and maybe that's where the shame is. I don't know. But I'm not going to try to be your therapist. Let's get to the point where, but I do love to do that. But let's get to the point where you meet your, where you meet your this wife. So, because you haven't been.

you haven't been there done that anything since, you know, 2017, this cop ball. So then you meet this woman. When did you meet her two years ago? No, about seven. Oh, okay. So like around that same time, like after your divorce? No, no. So, God, five maybe.

My math is bad. I'm trying to think back through it. We've been together about going on six years just to ask. A couple years after you get divorced, you meet this woman. Yeah. Yeah, I dated some other people, broke up with that. those girls and then found her online and she was amazing. I mean, we knew each other kind of through friends and we went to the same college. Didn't know we did. She had three kids. I had two.

Her kids, actually her ex was my fraternity brother and I didn't really know him when I was in the fraternity. So then we get together. We love each other. I told her right away fairly quickly within a month or two months about me. And everything. What do you mean everything? Like, I haven't told my whole story that I told you about the... No, but I mean, okay, when I say everything,

I mean, you told her that you have hooked up with guys and you and your wife, like, you know, were with that couple. That's everything. Yep. Yeah. She didn't know about the adult bookstore stuff and some of the riskier stuff.

Okay. You know, I didn't tell her that. She doesn't need all the details, but she knows that you've experimented with men. Uh-huh. Okay. And I don't know. She kind of gave like a, like she wasn't into that, you know, which added to the shame, I guess. And, but she was in debt, like, helping me experiment without anything like that, without adding any guys, which was fine, right?

Yeah, which was cool. She bought a strap. She bought the strap one, right? Yeah. And I was like, okay, we did that. That was enjoyable. We did that like maybe like only like two or three times. And then I had stuff that I've always used, you know, like dildos and stuff and that I would just use on myself when nobody was around. And so she's always been awesome to use that on me. And she's fingered me a bunch before and still. And she's good with that. I mean, but it's like the thing that hurts a little bit is like anytime I bring up, you know, my feelings or I've done stuff in the past, you get shut down so quickly. Like I don't want to talk about it. My kids just grow, you know, I think she thinks it's weird because, like, I'm a fighter. I most 95% of the guys out there, I'll sleep, you know, I'd hurt. And she thinks of me less manly, you know, and less, like, as a protector.

She's very big into, like, some of the conservative values with that. Right. So, but when she has pegged you or done, like, ass play and stuff like that with you, has she seen you any differently or has she seen you fine that way? I don't understand. I think she's okay with that Because it's her and I Right

But like so When I start talking about experiences with guys Or that I even have It gets shut down pretty quick Like I don't want to hear about it I don't want to talk about it Right That again

Yeah Oh God Yeah that's unfortunate Because you know I've had women on my show I don't know if you listen When I had Blaz's hot wife on I forget what her name was

And you know he was He was by And he wanted to like To do guys in front of her And she caught to the fact That she had never been into buy shit and she didn't think she was going to be into it. He's a very alpha guy and she loved him as an alpha guy. Like that's her type and she was very worried that she would see him as less of a man when she saw him suck a dick. But she tried it and she was like really turned on by it. So I just wonder like, you know, like your girl, sometimes like women don't know. You know what I mean? And she's just so closed off to it. She just assumes because I love asking you say that before. Yeah, I love asking people. I've had more than one woman on that felt, like they would feel differently, but when it happened, they actually liked it, you know? Because the truth

is it doesn't make you any less masculine. Sorry, like, you're you. You've sucked a dick before and she likes you. You know what I mean? Like, how does it change you? It doesn't, it doesn't even make sense. I mean, it's been pretty clear. I said, you know, we talked about stuff like threesomes. I said if I've ever had one, I wouldn't ever want to have a female female, probably male threesome again. I've got scarring from that. But I said I would do, you know, male and male female threesome. I don't really have. I don't really have scarring. I enjoyed that, but I don't think that's something that's probably, at least at this point in time, you know, current day is in the cards. But I do love her. All I really want, Kathy, is just to be kind of like heard, right? Like heard and know that, okay, I hear you. I don't,

it's not something I love, but I just love you for who you are. And I'm okay with that. That's all I really wanted. And I've been okay for eight years, just with her, really, you know, and girls. So what other girls her just her you know her and no there's been two girls before her that before i was with her right right but have you ever told her how important it is for her like to not shut it down and stuff like that have you ever had those like kind of serious questions and how do they go she she says she's got a lot of baggage about it she was cheated on right they had a three-sum with another girl she was cheated on uh uh uh oh wait a second yeah wait a second wait a second that's kind of interesting so she's kind of interesting so

She had, okay, so she was cheated on, but was it with a guy, with a girl, with another girl? A girl. Okay. Yeah, and they're still together today. I mean, they're still, it's weird. And the kids are, it's affected everything. So it's, she's got baggage, you know. And she's a good woman.

I mean, I don't think she intentionally tried to hurt me. I think she just doesn't understand all the time what she says and how she says things. I know, but you have explained to her that how she says it and what she says is actually hurtful to you and you need like the opposite and she doesn't give a, I mean, like, I think sometimes, like, yeah, just sometimes, most of the time I think, you know, listen, you pick this partner, you love her. I have to assume she's a good woman, you know, so what kind of good woman if they knew that they were being very hurtful to their guy by shutting it down and it was really making him feel terrible about himself would continue to do it. I just wonder if you've really explained that to her. Maybe not good, well enough.

Maybe I need to do it. I mean, I kept saying I needed to talk because it happened recently, like within the last three days, maybe. be. Oh, really? I was like, we need to talk because it, you know, it was like us talking again. And we were explaining how, like, I was like, oh, man, I'm very slutty. I get it. You know, I've been with a lot more people than she has. She's only been with like three people in her life. I've been with like, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I've been with probably more guys than she's been with. Yeah. Oh my God. Does she know that? Yeah. Yeah. So that gets shut down, right? And then. Yeah. Yeah. She's

Sounds a little uptight. She's got to loosen up, okay? Does she, you know, I mean, do you ever try to, like, open her up sexually in other ways? I mean, it sounds like she would, like, if she had threesome and stuff. I mean, like, I'm just saying, like, she had a threesome with her last husband, right? She gives me, she gives me anal. She squirts. She squirts on my family. I mean, she's very open when it comes to head for sexual type thing. She also tagged me. She, she fingers my butt. She lets me use the prostate thing and helps me with. that but like so I feel like there there is some open-mindedness but I don't know maybe she just has baggage and no you just tell me though for a second ago that when you talk about things like she shuts it down it sounded like it was more than just even the guy stuff it was like anything sexual like have you talked to her about like oh no it's only guy stuff it's only if i talk about guy it's only if i talk about stuff like let's say i talk about prior experiences i had yeah right away that kind of i think it grosses her out or just gives her that sense of

He's no longer my protector, right? He can't protect me anymore. He's, I don't know. That's the sense I get. He's not as manly. He's not, you know. Did you ever ask her, like, you know, why she feels that way or anything out? Or have you ever tried to watch buy porn with her?

I have talked to her about why she feels that way and she doesn't really know. We've never, I don't think we've ever tried to watch that stuff. Have you asked her if she feels differently about you after she fucked you in the ass? She doesn't. she doesn't feel differently about you after that. No. No, because it's an experience with a girl. Right.

Okay, but let me ask you this. Do you, like, what is missing with your girl? Do you just want to be able to talk about it and have her accept it? Are you okay to never be with a guy again, but you'd like to talk to her about it? When you like to roleplay about it? You say, are you okay? I don't know. I could say that today.

I don't know. We've only been, you know, we've only been married for two years. I don't know how I'll feel and, you know. Well, how do you feel right now? Are you okay with her shutting you down? Like, why do you keep bringing it up? Like, that's what it were. Because right now I feel like I'm cycling towards wanting that more lately.

Yeah, that's important to talk. That's important for you to start talking about. I'm sure you've learned that in the program. You know what I mean? Like you don't want to push that down because what you resist persists. You'll be blowing a guy in two seconds. When you start talking about it and it gets shut down, then it's, you know, you're like at a brick wall. No, yeah, you're being backed into a corner.

Yeah, so. Anyways, that's kind of where it's at now. And I don't know where to go from there other than have the discussions. Yeah, you just got to continue to be honest with her and let her know that. Like, you haven't been with a guy in a really long time and you have no desire to be with a guy as long as you do exactly what she thought of right in the beginning, which was really smart. Like, I don't want, I know you're into this, but I don't want you to be with guys.

So I'll be the guy for you, right? I'll strap it on. I'll fulfill those needs for you. And you just need to say, like, these needs are coming up. and I don't need to be with a guy, but I need to not only, you know, maybe beg some more, but like I also need to be able to talk about it and not be shut down. And that's like a, that's like a, you know, a deal breaker. So, you know, pretend if you have to.

Sorry. Like, what's the big deal? Nothing changes. You know what I mean? It's like, but you have to just continue to do it. And I think over time, like you said, because she is open minded. She's into all these things. She could get past it.

You know, I might leave her. I might turn gay. I might, you know, this fear. that anybody might have, you know? Well, I think if you have that fear, you'd be more likely to allow the, yeah, maybe she thinks you talking about it. But like, what she doesn't understand is the more she shuts it down, the more likely you're going to do that.

That's what happens. You know what I mean? The more open you could be with her, right, the better. I mean, would a truthful statement be like, listen, I don't ever need to be with another guy if we could just like talk about my stuff and like we could play together? Like, would that be, is that a fair thing? I don't know if that's a truthful statement, Kathy. Right.

Okay. I can't say it might it's a truthful statement today. Okay. But it's it may not be a truthful statement next week or three years. I don't know how I'm going to feel about that. You know, I tend to cycle, you know. Yeah. And to where I really love women and that's all I want. And then it switches around and so. So where what are you? So you feel this urge for guys coming up a little bit right around now? Yeah. Yeah. And what do you do when that comes around because it's been eight years so it's had to have come around since correct yeah i just use toys the toys on myself more than you know and watch that type of porn more than i would watch other type of porn yeah yeah and does she know that yeah oh about what about what that you'll watch porn and that you'll play with your toys and all that kind of good stuff yeah yeah yeah she knows we have a whole

bag full of stuff and i just bought a new thing and so she knows and she's helped me use on that right so it's really just is even her shutting it down an issue for you I feel like maybe I'm just making an issue maybe you don't even care that she does or you do care that she should do I do okay it hurts I want to talk about I want to be able to have you know if you have a partner that loves you and you love you want to be able to talk about those types of

things and feel comfortable and when it gets shut down it makes me feel like they don't love a part of me there's a part of me that they don't love right and that hurts that hurts well this is what I'm going to do for you, okay? I'm going to, when I edit this episode, I edit in a software program where I actually see the words, right? That's how I edit. I'm going to copy and paste exactly what you just said, and I'm going to email it to you. And you're going to tell her those fucking words exactly. Okay. Because you just said it so great. Like how, what, what, what, where is she going to go with that? Like, what if you just say? I think I've said that to her, but I think I've said that to her before.

And what would she say? Well, I have a lot of, I think it was like I got a lot of baggage and you need to give me time. And, you know, we just started talking about, you know, it's stuff like that. Okay. I can't help how I feel kind of stuff sometimes. So then it makes me think, well, man, how do I really want to do with this? You know, it makes me question to our relationship at times because of course. Yeah, because you have baggage too. You have fucking baggage too.

Right? For sure. And we're starting. You know, we have a home together. We have kids not together, but like we have kids. And I love her kids. Yeah. kids are amazing and she loves my kids.

Yeah. You want to make this one work. Yeah, of course I do. And I don't want to cheat. I don't want to cheat. I'm not a cheater. So I won't do that with her. It's either leave or or.

Listen, she's fucking you in the ass with a strap on. I think she could get to a place where she could hear you talk about men. Okay. Like you're not saying I want you to let me go blow guys, right? That's not what you're asking her, right? I've never asked for that. Right.

So it's not a stretch. It's not a stretch. you're not, I believe you could get there with her. Yeah, you need to. Yeah, you need to tell her. And you need to maybe go back in therapy. So you're heard someplace else too as well. And you, but you need to keep talking to her because, you know, maybe also talking this stuff

out with somebody else on the side will help too. But then you, but you also have to keep that conversation going with your girl. And you have to be like honest with her. Like, this is like, like eventually it could be a deal breaker. Like, this is what you really do need. maybe you need to be given a timeline of like when she could go there. And that's all you're asking for is to just talk about it and be open to conversations. But I don't ever need to be with a guy in real life if we could do that.

But I'm worried that if you don't do that, what can happen? Yeah. Other than the other bullshit, marriage type bullshit, you know, like she's messier than I am. We get along perfectly. We're a perfect marriage other than that. Yeah. But, you know, so. Well, that's what you just need to communicate.

You got to, I think you just got to keep communicating with her. Like, has it been this whole time for the two years that you've been like this and she always shuts you down, like, right from the beginning? Or has it been recently that you brought it up and she's shutting you down? No, no, it's most times. I mean, you know, I can remember even, like, last, a couple years ago. And, I mean, she was dealing with her dad's death, too. So there's lots of issues, you know, in the background. Both of my parents are dead.

I lost my parents pretty young. But she just lost her dad. And so that was also in the background, something she's dealing with. So, you know, I don't know. Right. So you're always feeling bad because you're like, oh, you don't want to put this on her with that thing going down as well. Of course. Yeah.

I get it. Yeah, I think he's just like, unfortunately, she could get there. I mean, you're not asking for much. And it's really not much of a stretch. And maybe she needs to listen to my podcast and some of these by guys. And she needs to go see them. What about like the, you know, I have a lot of bye guys on. And I love when I get a guy like you, I'm a fucking jujitsu.

Those are my favorite episodes. Yeah, because it makes me feel validated a little bit. Like, it's just not just me. It's other people. I see it. But maybe she needs to know that. No, but maybe she needs it. Did you hear Brian from back porch swingers from porch swingers?

Brian, let me send you pictures of all these guys. They're fucking alpha dudes like alpha alpha and they'll suck a dick and they're okay with it. I was trying to explain that to her. I train UFC fighters. Yeah. A fighter. Most people are going to, most people are going to get hurt if they might. with me. I'd say 95% of the people I would hurt if I had to. So what are we talking about here?

Yeah, sorry. You already sucked a dick and you're still a fighter. So it didn't change. You didn't crumple up and turn into a chick. I don't know what she thinks. Yeah, that's, well, that's what she thinks is that I'm not as masculine. I'm not as. But maybe you need to educate her more. Maybe you need to come not from you. Maybe you need to show her some of the podcasts out there as well as the pictures. Okay. I have full fly. I have the pictures of these alpha guys. Okay, huge beefy, jacked up dudes, suck in a dick. They're out there. There's tons of them.

It happens. You're here to say it. I've heard. Yeah, but maybe she needs to hear it. It validates you. Maybe she needs to, you know, so maybe you need to continue the conversations. Yeah, because maybe if she hears it from somebody else, it's a little bit different than hearing it from you. Maybe that'll help.

So try that. Keep me posted. Thank you, Kathy. I'm curious. I'm a big fan. Like I said, I'm a big fan. fan, you're awesome, you got a sexy voice. I like to hear the stories. I like to hear you talk.

And I'm glad it helps you relate to because it's sad that you're sitting still with this shame. And I'm very much a proponent of like getting rid of that stigma for a guy and guy action because a lot of people will be able to relate to this, that part of your story, the shame part of it. And the fact that you still have to feel that way and you're still being sort of faced with it blows and that shouldn't be the case. And so just another alpha guy like that you, you know, you're another guy here to say. I'm like like could beat the shit out of you, right? You could take down any guy. But you still might want to suck a dick sometimes. It doesn't take away that alpha thing. You know, you're still a man. I've never heard your story with respect to two

girls where the girl had to pretend like she felt like she was a dude to go down on a girl. So that's just always kind of like okay, right? Like good. Yeah. Yeah. It changed. But listen, there was a time in my day where even girl and girl action, there was a big stigma to it. But there was this big shift. Remember that? In like the late 80s. I don't know what it was, but like it shifted and then it became cool. There's just as many guys into guys as there are girls into girls.

It's just not cool yet. And that's why they have to live in the shadows. But it's not like it doesn't exist. So I love that. I love your story. Thanks so much for calling in and sharing it. And please keep me posted. And if you ever have any big breakthroughs with her, let me know.

We'll do part two. I will. Thanks for doing what you do. Thanks, Jason. Bye. Thanks. Bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order the audiobook.

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