Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1133 - Zachary Zane is a Bisexual, Non-Monogamous, Self-Professed “Boyslut”

Episode Date: June 4, 2025

Zachary Zane is a bisexual, non-monogamous self-professed "boyslut" and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear him discuss all the details including the open relationship he’s in now and how it’s set up, how being bisexual is interwoven into being non-monogmay for him, how and why he was in denial about his bisexuality early on and how he eventually came to terms with it, where and how he first started explored with guys, when he came out as bisexual to his parents, how and when he realized he was non-monogamous, the first guy he dated and how and why he tried being poly with him, how their relationship was set up and how many other partners were involved, how he dealt with jealousy when it came up for him, how he met his current girlfriend and how and why they’re decided to be non-monogamous but not poly, how and why being with a bisexual woman works best for him, how he started writing about his bisexuality and how it led to a whole career writing about sex, how he overcame all the shame he had surrounding all the things he was into, how he wrote about all of his experiences and life lessons in his book Boyslut plus a whole lot more. You can purchase Boyslut here: https://www.amazon.com/Boyslut-Memoir-Manifesto-Zachary-Zane/dp/1419764713 Substack: https://zacharyzane.substack.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zacharyzane_/ **To see HOT pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712  Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed.  Sponsors: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://butterwellness.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Use the code “STRICTLY” at checkout for 20% off your entire order ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Get your first month of the new Blewchew Max FREE! use code: STRICTLYANON ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://beducate.me/pd2512-anonymous⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Use code anonymous to get an additional 10% off the campaign’s current discount - that’s 60% off ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://shamelesscare.sjv.io/xLQ3Jv⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Get $10 off Shameless Care’s female viagra cream, just click on the link and use code: Strictly   Follow me! Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Everything else ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcas⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠t⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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also a really amazing writer. I mean, that's what he does for a living. He wrote a book called Boy Slut, and he is a Boy Slut, and he has come to terms with that, and he's here to say, there's nothing wrong with that, but that wasn't where he started out. You know, when he was younger, he was really confused because he liked women and men. It took him a while to really understand and really come to terms with the fact that he was bisexual, as well as, like, non-monogamous. He's very non-monogamous. He's in an open relationship right now. He's also been Polly. He talks about all the different kinds of relationships he's had over time as well as why he's not Polly with his current girlfriend, but they are non-monogamous. He talks about his writing career and

how that took off. He's always wrote about being bisexual because that's what he knows. He talks about his lightball moment, like I said, of when he really came to terms with the fact that he was and how that changed him. And then he also talks about how over time he has come to terms with being non-monogamous and releasing all the shame surrounding it. It's a super. It's a super. super interesting story. And, you know, if you want to know more about him, what you're going to, he does have that book, Boislet. I'm going to put a direct link to it. He also has a substack where he writes a lot of fiction and nonfiction erotica. And I think after you hear his stories, you're going to want to go read more detailed stories about him. The link to that to his

substack, which is also called Boislet is going to be in the description. All of his links will be there. But anyway, I'm going to be right back on with Zachary Zane. Hey, Zachary Zane. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you? today. Hey, I'm doing good. Thank you for having me. I wanted you to come on the show for a while now because I've seen you all over the place. You have a great book called Boy Slut, right?

You are a bisexual guy. Now, anyone who listens to my show knows that I'm always like, like my biggest thing in life is to get rid of the stigma of guy on guy action, you know? I mean, I just don't effing get it. And I think bisexual men right now, like, you know, get a bad rap. feel for by guys. I think, you know, and you have a big voice out there. I was talking to G.G. Savage, who was on my show again.

She's been on before. She called you a bicon, which I'm like, oh, my God, I love that name. You're very permitting. Listen, you wrote a book called Boys Let's see. You've obviously been very promiscuous. You used to write for a non-monogamy column in Cosmo. You write for men's health. You wrote a book for men's health called Best Sex Ever.

You tried to be Polly. You're a slutty guy, right? I mean, you've a non-monogamous. very open by con so you know let's hear your stories Zachary now you currently write for cosmo and men's health still right yeah I currently do that I'm also grinder's sex and relationship experts oh that's for them too which is a lot of fun oh that's totally fun um so wait so now are you in a relationship now are you still poly like let's get a snapshot of where you're at now so right now I'm non monogamous okay I am in a relationship I've been with my girlfriend for maybe a year and a half

and we actually started off being Polly. Both of us came to our relationship, both saying we were polyamorous. And I had been Polly Polly in the sense of like I had a boyfriend and a girlfriend at the same time for almost a decade when we met. Oh, really? When I met, she had like another serious partner who was abroad and some other things. And then as like things kind of developed between us, it just became a matter of time and energy. where it's like I want to invest in this one person. I really want to build this relationship.

If I'm seeing them, you know, three, four, five nights a week, it's really tough to have a different partner. You know, like what if I do another primary partner? If I have a boyfriend, I see them three days a week. I have a girlfriend, I see them three days a week. What about seeing my friends? What about seeing my family? What about having a loan time?

So in order to kind of build and really deep in this relationship, we kind of moved away from being Paul to being just non-monogamous. I mean, we have open relationships, we have three sons, and we don't really have rules in our open relationship. You know what I mean?

It's not like, oh, you can't fuck these people. You can't do that. Yeah. But we just try to take the other person into consideration. If I think this is something or a situation or someone

that would upset my partner, there's enough people in the world that have sex with. You know, it doesn't have to be this one person. You can let go. I guess that's a privileged thing to say. But like, I know it's not the case for everyone. But like, like, let's not.

do anything that will stir the pot because the truth of the matter is I feel like most people in relationships know what's going to upset their partner and maybe they try to like revel in the gray area which is a little bit unethical but it's like oh you didn't say this explicitly so therefore I thought I could do this it's like you knew this would hurt your partner you still did it you're yeah you're exploiting this loophole and it's like we don't have to have rules per se it's just a matter of like yeah let's not do it it's just cheating each other with I think basic consideration respect. Have you always been non-monogamous?

So, like, I didn't know what non-monogamy was growing up. I feel like most people didn't, especially, I'm in my mid-30s. So, you know, at 16, I'd never heard a term like that. But for me, and again, this is like a personal thing. I don't want to, you know, my experience is not necessarily represent that of all bisexuals here. But for me, it was really interwoven with me

coming out as by, and realizing, that I don't think I would be having sleeping with one person of one gender. You know, like, I don't want to sleep with just a man for the rest of my life. I don't want to sleep with just a woman for the rest of my life. And I do miss men when I'm sleeping with women. I do miss women when sleeping with men.

And I'm almost reticent to say this because this is like weaponized and used against us, especially like this assumption that bisexual people can't be monogamous. Actually, most bisexual people are in a monogamous relationship. Like, and it's just like, you know, just because

you know, you're someone who's attracted to blondes or whatever and you marry a red hat, you still look at blondes. You know what I mean? It's the same thing. It's no real different, but for me it really was interwoven. And so I've never been monogamous with a boyfriend.

Like that coincided. My first boyfriend happened to be my first like, I hated guys before him, but my first like capital be boyfriend was my first non-monogamous relationship. It was a poly relationship. I actually ended up living with my boyfriend his wife and his wife's girlfriend.

So that was a journey of itself and also feels like that was a millennia. Millennium ago. Oh, right. We have to go all the way back. Like, how old were you, first of all when you had that relationship? Like, was that 10 years ago? About almost 10 years ago, yeah. Yeah.

Okay, wait, let's go all the way back. Like, when did you realize that you were bisexual? Like, was that very early on? Did you end? I mean, I had such denial and such repression. where it's like also at the time there was a really like a dearth of bisexual visibility you know you like there wasn't a no famous actor is identifying as by the same way everyone that by came out as gay i didn't think bisexuality was real yeah so uh and i knew i loved women i dated women i loved having sex with women

but why do i find myself getting drunk and hooking up with dues why'd i sell myself also watching gay porn but the first time i hooked up with a dude was like my second week of college i was so nervous I got so drunk, I ended up puking in the bathroom in the middle of him blowing me twice. Right? Like, excuse myself to go because I did get that fucked up in order to be intimate with a man. But I then was hooking up with guys for like five years while also hooking up with women. And it was like, at times I think I was gay, but I'm like, I know I'm not gay. But then why am I doing this?

And I remember there were like a couple things that helped me realize I was by. the first was, you know, talking to a sibling who was like, yeah, I, like, we're all effeminate. We all experimented a little in college. I, like, hooked up with a guy or two. He's like, but you, and then realized I was straight. He's like, you've been doing this for five years. Like, this is countless men. At what point, that's no longer experimentation at that point?

Yeah. And I was like, oh, my God, I'm going to be married to a man that are like 50th anniversary. I'm like, thank you for staying with me while explore my sexuality as a straight man. It's like, I don't want to do that. And that encouraged me to see this LGBT therapist where I was like, I need to figure this out. Want some help having stronger and longer lasting erections? Well, then you need to check out blue chew and not just regular blue chew, but blue chew max. Is a chewable.

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I'm like, thank you for staying with me while exploring my sexual. as a straight man. It's like, I don't want to do that. And that encouraged me to see this LGBTQ therapist, where I was like, I need to figure this out. And I went on, like, kind of this rant the first session about, like, my confusion. I'm about thinking, like, men, then I like women, I like this. And then in our second session, as I'm starting to kind of essentially rehash the same rant,

he goes, yeah, I'm going to cut you off. He goes, when I talk about confusion in kind of a queer setting or an LGBT setting, you're figuring out your identity, it actually means something pretty rigid. Like, it actually means, like, a state of mind. It's like, you don't seem confused. Like, you seem very clearly bisexual, unless if there's something, unless if there's something that I'm missing. And I quickly responded.

I go, oh, that shit doesn't exist in men. And my therapist kind of knew exactly what to say to that. He goes, Zach, you're too smart to think that. Right. Which I thought was kind of like a way that also, like, hit my ego a little bit. Yeah. He knew. Of course bisexuality exists.

Why would it not? That's an absurd. Like, it literally makes no sense that would only exist in women and animals, even though men have been bisexual in so many cultures throughout time. And this day in 2014 or 13, whenever that was, I think it was 2013, like that this way. It just logically makes no fucking sense. Exactly. And like, and that kind of gave me permission to start, you know, hooking up with guys.

sober to start exploring my sexuality, start dating more, and just kind of do things without being so stuck in my head of, am I enjoying? I couldn't even enjoy hookups because I was like, am I enjoying this? I was like overthinking the hookup where I could never actually be present and just have fun. Like, so this kind of allowed me to start doing that to get out of my head a little bit. So you were wondering like, am I gay, am I straight? Like you felt like you had to pick a side because at that time in your life, like bisexuality wasn't a thing for guys. Nowadays it is. I mean, I think it's like my young son, I have a nine-year-old.

Every movie we see, every show we watch, everyone's by, gay, straight trans. You know what I mean? They're very open. But like when you were coming out at that time, like, it just wasn't a thing for guys. But it was like cool for women by that point, right? And like the coolness is still fetishizing. There's still like a lot of problems that go with that or not validating your sexuality or thinking like you're doing this to the male gays or you're only doing this for attention. You know, there's kind of a different, different challenges and struggles like come with being by as a man versus a woman for sure.

Yeah. So wait, it sounds so that you were like pretty open about it, considering that your brother knew, like, were you very openly hooking up with guys? Like, this wasn't a secret life that you were living trying to figure it out, right? No. No. But so like, I was confiding in people I was close with. Yeah. But like, this wasn't something I was sharing with everyone. You know what I mean? This was something where, like, it was. always, and I was confiding it in, in the hope, in seeking advice. Yeah. Being like, I don't know what to do with this information.

Am I gay or straight? Do you have any wisdom? You've known me a long time. You've helped me sort through this. But it was never like me, like, proudly saying, I'm hooking up with dudes. No, it was still very, you know, closeted, very behind closed doors, very hush-hush. Yeah, but thank God you were smart enough to just like open your mouth about it and talk to people and then go seek therapy because that was probably like a game changer for you.

Like that's where the light bulb went off. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I love that that was available for you and that you took it. You know, and I think that that's a, listen,

I talked to a lot of people that are like in their 50s and it was just a different time. And those people, they couldn't have done that. Like a lot of people weren't able to come out even being by or anything, you know, so many years ago and there wasn't anyone to talk to. So so many people were living like secret lives. I can't tell you how many guys I talked to you that are like sucking a guy's dick in a parking lot.

Right. I mean, it happens all the time for a certain general. you know, it just wasn't acceptable. I like to think, you know, obviously there's a lot of attacks on LGBTQ people right now in the current administration. But like it's, I like to think we're moving in the right direction, even with us. You know what I mean? Like it's, I feel like we really have, you know, in the past 20 years, 30 years, I feel like on leaps and bounds for gay people, for trans people, for rights, for equality, for understanding these people are just like us.

We just want to be treated equally. and yeah I listen I think it changed listen the like I said it's just the natural evolution like my son's going to be more evolved than me I was more evolved than my parents because we all grow up in different times and you know 30 years 40 years 20 years later things change thank god for that you know you were you know you're only 30 something so you know when you were growing up it was a little bit more acceptable for you to talk about it where I was talking about like a lot of the guys I'm talking to that are way older than you. They didn't do that because there was even more of a stigma back then.

And it still was like, yeah, it's not a weird era of growing up where it's just like, I was still in the era of everything that's so gay. Yeah. You know, like, that's when everyone says in middle school in high school. Everything's gay. You're a faggot this. You're a faggot that. And so like, that was an ideal.

Obviously. I feel like that has subsequently changed. But then there was kind of, yeah, I feel like millennials had this kind of sex positive revolution, this LGBT revolution that is now, unfortunately, I feel like Gen Z and then what's the generation underneath, Gen Alpha, is kind of regressing a little bit in this front where there definitely are a little bit more sex negative, a little less open, a little less. Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to seeing like it kind of went and peaked and now it's reverting, which is not ideal either.

Yeah, that's a little scary. But back to your story. So like when you finally come to the conclusion that you are by, it's the clear. you clearly are, right? And is that when you have your first boyfriend? Or is that when you had that first guy that you moved in with? Is that your first boyfriend? No, I, no, that was the guy, the first boyfriend I had.

I dated guys after that. I dated, you know, they never reached the boyfriend's status. But like, I dated maybe, I was definitely sleeping with a ton of guys on Grindr. God bless Grindr. I was, that's how I got to explore. That's how I got to meet guys. And I got to try out different kinks and just kind of, you know, get involved in the gay community and seeing what all the fuss is about and it was so much fun um but yeah so i dated

kind of casually for maybe like men and women for me so i came out i think i came up to my parents i remember was thanksgiving 2014 i came out to myself in 2013 and started booking up with dudes like sober right then and then i end up dating this dude in 2015 2016 okay okay Okay, and so, and that's, yeah. Yeah, and but at that point, you're still like, this is this whole time, you're non-monogamous, right? And you're open. And you know that about yourself too very early on, correct? I didn't.

I didn't. Oh. That coincided with kind of being by, and I feel like being by, like, you kind of start when all a sudden you're like pushed outside of what's considered normal. Yeah. You know, or like the heteronormative scripts or all that stuff, you kind of use this lens for everything else. Yeah.

Where it's just like, what else is considered normal? that doesn't have to be. What else is considered on the outskirts I don't think is? And it kind of being by and embracing that, I feel like gave me this open perspective where it's like, I'm not going to just challenge heteronormativity if it means to be gay or straight.

I'm also going to challenge everything about relationships and being like, yeah, my first couple relationships, I either cheated and I told my partner or I desperately wanted to cheat the whole fucking time. And I was just like, even if I love this person, even if our sex life was good, even with, it wasn't like anything was wrong in the relationship, but like I did it.

You know, I got my shit together. If I made this vow, I did it. In the beginning, I did. And then I was like, this is like, then when Nom Nogne opened up as an idea, at first I was like not necessarily. It just felt like a lot of work to what we were saying. Yeah. And I was jealous. I didn't want to deal with jealousy or feeling like I was left behind or insecure.

I was also young, you know, that era of like I'm not as sure of myself for sure. But it just seemed like I wouldn't be able to handle it. And then as time grew, and obviously I ended up falling in love with this dude, I kind of wasn't expecting to fall in love with. We started hanging out more and more in this escalated. And I was like, fuck it, I'll give it a shot. But yeah, initially, yeah, I just, yeah, I didn't want to keep, yeah, I'm someone who just always wanted to sleep with other people too. And I was really fighting that urge. When I learned there was a different option, I was really empowering.

Yeah, but I think it's important that, like, the distinction here isn't that like, because you and you brought this up early. on like you're not into you're not non monogamous and into non monogamy monogamy because you're bisexual and you can't possibly ever live without one or the other right like you said there's plenty of people because a lot of people think oh god like the worst thing you could do is go out on a date with someone they tell you you're by and you feel like you can't handle that because how could they ever be monogamous to you right like one had nothing to do with the other with you you just happen to be a very open person no for me it did yeah for me it did Although I was kind of saying I was reticent to almost admit this because that's not the case for most people.

Right. And I don't want to perpetuate that stereotype. But for me, it really did feel like I was deciding one. I felt like there was a loss. And even just like just the elements of like gay culture, I don't get to experience when I'm dating a woman just because gay men can be really shitty to a straight perceived couple walking into a gay bar. Right. You know, so it's like I can't necessarily do that with my girlfriend right now because they often are like not. the nicest to her, and that's not fun for either of us.

But it's like, I still miss gay culture. I still miss elements of that, but it's something I can't necessarily do with her, but I can do that with other guys I'm sleeping with. You know what I mean? Or just friends. And so, yeah, it's, for me, it was definitely interwoven. But again, I'm almost reticent to admit this because I don't want to perpetuate stereotypes.

And I know that's very different for everyone. Yeah, that's like a lot of times what people will, you know, what people will say. For sure. Yeah, yeah. But I'm glad I asked the question because that's what I took from it when you said it before, but now I realize, like, I just misunderstood. Okay, so you move in with that guy, right? And is he the one that brings up non-monogamy?

Because he's already non-monogamous in his household, right? Is he living with, what, was he the one that was married that I had, or had a boyfriend that was married with a girlfriend? When I first started dating him, it was kind of interesting because I just, there was two guys I was like seeing, I just had a girlfriend. We talked about after a year. It was tumultuous. I wasn't ready to delve back in.

into another serious relationship, but I was obviously having a lot of flings and fun. There were two guys, after a month, I was like, hey, to clarify, I'm really not looking for anything serious. They said they were on the same page. And then a couple months later, both asked me to be monogamous,

and I kind of was, like, frustrated. I was like, and then I was the bad guy. You know, I said, no, I was very clear about this from the beginning. I have not given mixed signals. What I got yelled at me, called me a, said I let him on, the other guy just cried. And I go, I was kind of pissed off, a little bit too. I was like, I was so

honest from the, I wasn't whispering sweet nothing saying I want to marry you and I love you. I was up front about what I could give. And so I was frustrated. I was like, you know what, I'm not even going to fucking date anyone at the time being. I'm just going to fuck people. Right. I'm just going to like, it's going to be a grinder.

It's going to be a guy comes in. I fuck on. He's out of my apartment within 20 minutes flat. I do not validate parking. Get the fuck out of here. Like I was very much I just felt frustrated by this. So when I met him, I wasn't in like a going out on dates mode, but because he had at the time, he was living with a different girlfriend.

So I met about this like gay bar. He was with his boyfriend. He had a wife and girlfriend he lived with plus all these other partners. And so when he asked me on a date, even though I wasn't saying yes to dates, I was like, oh, this can't get serious. Yeah. There's no way this can get serious because this man has so many other partners. So it's like, I actually kind of delved into polyamory and nonmonogamy for the wrong reasons.

I kind of delved into it because I thought this couldn't get serious as opposed to you should be polyamorous because you want more loves, you want more serious, you want more commitment, you want more relationships, not fewer. Because this man has so many other partners, so it's like, I actually kind of delved into polyamory and non-monogamy for the wrong reasons.

I kind of delved into it because I thought this couldn't get serious as opposed to you should be polyamorous because you want more loves, you want more serious, you want more commitment, you have more relationships, not fewer. but like that was probably one of the only reasons why I agreed to go on a date with him was because I just didn't think this could get serious but then of course it ended up getting serious and did anyone get pushed out of that or you know relationship on his side because you moved in or did everyone stay in place and you just added to the mix no by the time I moved in um yeah the time I moved in one of the girlfriends had moved out the wife was still there and he was still dating the guy, but so he's just me, but I moved in it, which was me, him and his wife.

Right. Okay. Now, did you start sleeping with the other women, like with his wife as well and the other people in his life? Or did you become Polly and start having outside relationships as well? So I was not in a relationship with his wife. Maybe we'd hooked up at some like sex parties together, but that wasn't like our dynamic. versus I was had some other casual partners kind of outside of that that dynamic. Right. And did you start to fall for other people? And was this the first time you experienced being poly amorous? Or was it just like a sex thing where it was like you cared for that guy and you were just

hooking up with other people and you're just non-monogamous? Or is this when you realize you're like poly. This is when I end up being more like poly-poly and actually dating and having some other partners to while I dated, while I dated my boyfriend. And how was that for you? It was good for the most part. I think I was at a time in my life and I kind of speaks to this earlier too where I could, I had the time, I had the energy. I was going on four different dates a week and it really brought me joy having these multiple committed relationships.

And then I don't know what switch, but I think I just became tired as I got older and just wanted to do less. And like, it just became a little bit too much work in the end. Yeah, no, I could imagine. And when you're dating at that point and going on, are you like on a specific app like looking for people so you don't have to kind of put it out there on the first date and they kind of know? Or you like, you know, because how does that go where you're meeting somebody on a date and you're like, oh, I have a boyfriend.

I live with his wife. And that, you know, like how would people react to your story? So that, for the most part, I was meeting people in person. Right. So there are these poly events. There was, I was living in Boston at the time. in Somerville and there was this larger like Polly community of people

and you'd be introduced through them so I wasn't using apps to like seriously meet people. I was using Grindr for Sex and that was fun and gay men were definitely more open to the idea of an open relationship or Polly than potentially you know like straight monogamous oriented women

but no I was meeting most people like through friends through the community through real life events and how long did you live with that guy for? I lived with him for about a year. Oh, for a year. Okay. And how did it end and why did it end?

It ended, I think at the point, I think I was still struggling, honestly, with a lot of intimacy issues. And I was, there was a part of me that I was kind of, this is now in hindsight at the time. I didn't realize that something just felt off. And the reason why I broke up with him was like, I feel more like roommates than I do like boyfriend, boyfriend. You know what I mean? And I don't want a roommate. I want a boyfriend. And I felt like I'd fallen a little bit out of love with him.

and the spark was gone. But in hindsight, I think I was still struggling with intimacy issues. I was also struggling with like when that like passionate love kind of transfers into companion love or the honeymoon phase is over and thought that things were wrong when things weren't wrong. I was also young. You know what I mean?

Like I was 24 or five or whatever at the time. You know, like you just got, I kind of wanted to move to New York and have the next stage of my life. Yeah. How old was he? He was older than me. He was six years older than me. Oh, okay. And did he stay in his relationships after you moved out? Did all of his relationships stay intact?

He did for many years. And then he and his wife ended up getting divorced, I think, after like 15 years. One last question about that. Like, how was it situated in that house? Like, did you all three sleep in bed in the same bed? Like, how was it set up? So we each had our own bedroom. Oh, okay. And then that way kind of, you can sleep together one night. Some nights he sleeps with me. Some nights he sleeps with his wife. Sometimes I sleep with a different partner. But that way you each have your own room, which makes it easier too.

Yeah. But were there any issues that ever came up between all of you, whether it was him with you sleeping with other people or you with him with other people, like any jealousy or any of that kind of stuff? Or was this so natural for you that you just took to it and you were always okay with it? No, I mean, I definitely got jealous, but I didn't let my jealousy, you know, control my emotions and feelings. I wasn't an asshole about it. It's like, you're allowed to be jealous, but I just say like, hey, I'm feeling a little jealous. I'm feeling insecure. That guy who hooked up with is super hot, and he had rejected me a year ago, so I'm in my feelings.

So you're asking for support. You're asking for what's going on. So I'm being like, I'm jealous, you can't do this. Fuck you. You're not thinking of me. You know, if you go to it from this place where you admit it and you get the support you need, jealousy doesn't have to be this huge rupture in your relationship or this huge issue. We just kind of dealt with that.

Yeah, no, I love that. A little reassurance goes such a long way, you know, and I think that that's what it's all about. And I do think it's normal to maybe be jealous, like every now and then. Some of the most successful non-monogamous couples I know that are friends of mine sometimes get jealous just because they're human beings. Like, it's a normal thing that could happen, you know? It's just how it's received. Yeah. Sorry?

No, it's just how it's perceived from the other person. What were you going to say? No, I say, and in jealousize, you can also, your jealousy, you can also, like, eroticize it. Oh, yes, that's what I learned for my show. For me, you know, that's obviously some advanced stuff to do. And if you're still struggling with it, I wouldn't say this should be your go-to. But, like, for me, when I get jealous of my girlfriend now, it's kind of like, I kind of use it as a reminder to step up in my game. Yeah.

You know, we've been in a relationship for a while. You can kind of fall into being somewhat complacent or taking your partner for granted. and for me, jealousy often comes from a fear of loss. And if this person's going to leave me for this other person, and kind of taking that as a reminder as, yeah, she could. She could. So make sure to continue to be a good boyfriend. Make sure not take her for granted.

Make sure to treat her. Make sure to be kind and nice and empathetic and go out on dates. Like, yes, you can't lose her. So you should step this up. So it helps me be a little bit not fall into ruts, which sometimes I've been susceptible to in the past. No, I love that. Like instead of taking that jealousy and sort of going,

against the other person that's causing it and looking at them as, you know, a bad person, you look at it for what it's telling you and work on that, which I think is like great. I learned from my show a lot of people like that, you know, like from cucks. Like sometimes there are like people that are into that, you know, were very jealous people and they learn to take that jealousy and make it kind of like a turn on, you know. And I was like, oh, that's like a very interesting thing to do. You know, I remember the first woman who spoke about it, who had a husband who cheated on her. and she was like very, very jealous, but then she like turned it into like a turn on.

And I was like, oh, like that's a much better way to process it. It's just energy, right? It's a feeling. And you can maybe turn it into something else. And some people turn it into a turn on. It's hard to do, but if you can, you are golden. That's like the ideal. Yeah, I think, yeah, I've heard it many times.

I think it's a much better way to be than to be jealous. But what I think jealousy is too is just like it's just a signpost of maybe a lot of times. Also, what you want. Like, if you're really jealous at your friend, just got in a relationship and maybe you need to start dating more because that means that that's what you want for yourself and you need to go out and fucking get it. You know what I mean? It's not about what she has.

It's about you want that for you. And so I just think it's a signal to yourself. And I look at it like you do. Like, what is this telling me about me, right? Not about the other person. So after you left that relationship with that guy, right? Like, what happened next? Like, do you meet?

Like, how long are you with your girl? You're just with your girl now for a year, right? So, like, what did you do in between? Sure. So I moved to New York immediately. I was in part why I also wanted to get out of Boston. I did not like that city. Obviously, he had his life there and work there.

I could work from anywhere, being a writer, and actually being a writer in New York is much better than being a writer in Boston. But obviously, he lived with his wife and was working at a hospital at the time. It was much harder. So I moved to New York. And what did I do? So I moved to New York in 2017. Oh, okay.

And I think I just dated casually for a long period of time. I've definitely had some boyfriends and girlfriends both in that interim. There was a time where I had a couple of times. I'd both a boyfriend and a girlfriend at the same time. And then I think for me, I was using Polly a little bit to enable my avoidance, my avoided attachment style. It's kind of like when things, and that's obviously. not the right way to use it. But like when, you know, things would get hard with one partner, I start investing into a new partner and always kind of looking and chasing this high of new

relationship energy and this new people and kind of moving on to the next. And I, which is not good. Obviously that was not good and I hurt people in this process. I didn't realize I was doing that. Yeah. Until later in life and I thought I was doing polyethically. And in many ways I was, because I was commuting always honestly. I was respecting their things. But like I would, you know, six months to a year in, almost start, move on to the next relationship, which is not what Polly's about. Right.

But I did that for a while, and then, yeah, I met my girlfriend, through a friend, actually, we were having this for some. My friend was like, I think you'll really like her. And I go great. And we stayed up all night. Who was in the foursum? Like, was she there? Was she a part of that

foursum? Or this is a different foursum? Yeah, that's how I first met her. So actually, what happened was my friend is this pro dom. who lives in L.A. She has a girlfriend. I was supposed to be out of town for a week for work. So I was like, I could stay at my place in New York. My flight got canceled. My talk got canceled.

So I was like, okay, you guys are still welcome to stay with me. I'm going to be in my apartment too. So it'll be a little bit crowded. And I was like very bummed. I was very excited for this talk I was supposed to give in Chicago and the fact that I was picked to do it at this writing festival. Yeah. It's literally a festival.

And my friend goes, I know you're bummed, but make you feel better. I have a friend. She's also a pro-dom. and I think you two would really hit it off. And she just thought the four of us were going to have sex, and that was going to be the end of it. And then I ended up like hooking up with Eve, that's my girlfriend's name,

for maybe like a month or two casually, because the sex was good, and maybe after a month or two, I was like, hey, do you want to like go on a real, like, are you open to going on a real date? Are you just trying to fuck casually? I'm down for either. And she's like, I'd be open to it.

Let's give it a shot. Yeah. And that was, whatever it was, like a year and a half ago was when we had her first, like, official date. now are you like a subby guy is that why your friend was like oh you'd get down with her or she's not dominant with you and you're so the sex that we have especially with my dom friend is like they don't dom me yeah that's what i'm thinking they can don me if we're in the mood for it i'm switchy i can be dom or sub i'm versed i like to top i like to bottom i like everything but like our our relationship is like often almost explicitly not domy and i feel like my girlfriend actually wants to i think be domed by her boyfriend friend because she's always doming other guys. You know what I mean? Totally. Yeah. I was wondering if it started out that way and then switch because I would think if that's what she's doing over there, maybe in her intimate life, it would be a switch, right? And it was something that it was six

months in. And the thing is, I wanted her to dom me in certain things. She's a professional dumb. She's amazing. She's creative. She does wild stuff. And I almost took me, I think, six months into dating to like asking. And she's like, yeah, of course I'd do this for you. And she's like, why didn't you ask? I'm like, I never wanted to, hey, I wanted to feel special. I don't want to feel like a client. And B, I don't want to feel like having sex with me. It is like work.

You know what I mean? Yeah, of course. And she was like, oh, it's not that at all. She doesn't mind you, she doesn't have sex with her clients. But like, she just, you know, is a dumb versus me. She's like, no, Zach, it's, trust me, it's completely different.

The two are not the same. You don't have to worry about that. So then from there, but yeah, it's very reticent to even ask, even though I wanted to in the beginning, just because I didn't, yeah, this is her job. You know what I mean?

Yeah. So you go in just like it's a casual thing at first and then you start to like serious date you start to seriously date her now she obviously knew your backstory your polly right because you wind up not being polly with her but did you go in saying like oh i'm polly like let's try this and be like completely open in every way yeah we went into it with that mindset yeah um and then as we just started seeing each other you know four five days a week and kind of those other partners ended up fading out a little bit just kind of naturally over time like neither of us we kind of said it maybe how many months and six months and just being like

yeah the idea of going on a first date with someone new sounds terrible and I actually don't love the idea of you doing I don't want to do this I don't want you to do it and like we both were on the same page but we kind of like almost naturally reached a point where we were just both each other's primary partners and then we could kind of like plateau it right and you weren't going to go looking for a primary partner but that could change in the future who knows with you guys right I mean we are absolutely open to it especially Who knows where we are down the line, but just this is where we are currently. Yeah, but always open, right?

Like she knows you're into dudes. Is she bisexual, too? She's bi as well. We're both open. We're both slutty. We both fuck a ton of people. And do you do solo play or do you always play together or do all of the above? Oh, no.

A lot of solo play, especially for me because I fuck a lot of gay men. They don't really want much to do with her. Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. That's so funny. We do three sums, too. Do either one of you get off on, like, the other person's stories? Is there any of that going on?

No, it's sometimes, and that's not really our dynamic. Right. I mean, some people are into that. Some people aren't. So what about her, though? Like, I mean, you see other women and men and she sees other men and women, correct? It's like there's no rules between you guys, like you said. Correct.

And you guys live together now? No, we don't live together, but she's essentially on my place five nights a week. She sleeps over. Right. Now, are you still in New York? Are you involved in the whole, like, sex part? party scene here and all that kind of stuff and as well as the community like did you get involved in the poly community when you came here before?

Absolutely. That was my how I felt welcome to New York through the sex scene, through the poly scene, through these bisexual play parties and meeting other bi people. It was awesome. And now you were always writing at this point and like and writing about this stuff. Like how did how did that come to be and how did it all come together? Because it just sounds like, you know, you're a writer, but you're also writing about you know what you love and what you do you know it kind of is like perfect yeah i started writing in

2015 well writing like professionally for outlets in 2015 i think i've been writing longer before then and one of the first pieces i wrote was about being male by sexuality it was for exo jane if you remember that yeah i do my jane pratt if you remember it and what they titled the piece was i came out as bye and now can't date anyone gay or straight i spoke about how after coming out as by i thought the world would be my oyster i could date everyone and straight women didn't want to date me because they were bifobic or afraid I was going to leave them for a man they weren't confident secure enough

and then guys like gay men were often very pedantic they'd be like oh honey I was by two you'll get there and then try to make out with me and I'm like that's kind of gross and so I ended up then falling in love with us by woman and it was great I felt accepted I felt seen and since then I've actually of all the women I've dated all of them have been by

not one since I've been by I've come out has not been, in part because straight women would not date me. That's like the main issue. I've dated some gay men, but obviously the gay men who are very okay with me being by, very open to this, but pretty, but every woman has been by and still most of the guys I've dated since then I've been by. Right. And that's the best. I mean, you know, I listen to this guy, Jeff Lewis, and he's a gay man, right? And they have this one guy that works in serious with them. And they're always making fun of him because he happens to be bisexual. And they're like, you're never going to find a girl to date you, you know, but I guess like what you're, it's actually smart. The

way you do it is like a bisexual woman is a good choice, right? Because she understands and she feels the same way, right? It's great. And so, oh yeah, sorry, I kind of lost trade of thought here. So I wrote this piece and it went super fucking viral. Oh, interesting. Because at the time, a lot of the bisexual content was to like prove that we exist to gay and straight people. So it'd be like, pen myths about bisexuality. Ten things to never say to a bi person. But there was very little buy content for bi people. Like how do you date as a bi person when you're struggling with this? How do you deal with internalized bifobia? How do you come out to your family as by? When does it make sense to come out as by? Does buy mean, how does it intersect with polyamory? And I just became for years the by guy.

And so outlets would reach out to me and pitch outlets. And I had this unique voice as a male bisexual when very few people were writing about it. That really became my niche. That really became what I was known for. But then from there, I expanded out to just all. of queer sexuality, than all of sexuality more generally than sex and relationships, and now I'm moving into fiction too. So like, but it started there and then expanded out where just over time. Yeah, that's kind of amazing and it's perfect. You know, what were you writing about before?

Honestly, before that, I always just loved writing. It was just writing. I wrote a novel that honestly, thank God did not get published because I was 22 and it was horrifying if I reread it. I was writing a lot of fiction just for myself. and trying to write books. And now it's so funny. Ten years later, I'm finally writing a novel that will get published, which is exciting,

and moving back into fiction. And, of course, my preparedness is a bisexual man. I still write about what I know. I'm not going into World War II history or whatever. Like, it's still very much how to reduce sexual shame and king positivity and accepting yourself and all that stuff. But now just doing it, talking less about myself and using, you know, fiction to get my points across.

I love that. And Boy Slut, though, is like a memoir? Like, what is Boy Slut about? Like, you know, how would you explain it? Is it just about, is it your life story or more? It's more, you know, like, the idea is, hopefully the story and the lessons and the teachings that I do and this relate to you. No matter whether you're by, man, you know, seven years old or 20, you know, I think there's universal truths and that that speak to everyone. But in short, the book is a collection of essays.

Yeah. And it's labeled a memoir. And it's about how I overcame sexual shame. Because I had such severe sex shame growing up, so much shame surrounding this. And it's how I reached a point where I became the boy slut, essentially, where I reached a place where I'm not ashamed about this. I'm embracing who I am. I embrace my kinks. I embrace polyamary.

And trust me, there are plenty of things I still struggle with in my personal life and my mental health. But, like, having shame surrounding sex is not one of them. So it's kind of how I reached this point and essentially how you can too. Yeah. And how do you think you did that? Like over time, just, you know, therapy, like, were many different things? Like, how did you come to that realization? Or how did you release the shape?

It's, I mean, you got to read the book, first and foremost. I mean, I'm going to put a link just so you know in the description. So everyone will go get it. No, amazing. But it's just like, you know, if it was something I could kind of say in a sound bite, everyone would be doing it. Of course. But I would say like a few factors.

I think for me, a lot of it is, was finding my community and the right people. Right. You know, like it's, and that's why we talk about the importance of community and LGBTQ culture, but also just a broad too where it's like, you know, when I was surrounded by sex negative people and I couldn't bring this up and they would shame me, I felt like shit. Yeah. And I would talk to other people who are like, oh, I totally get that. That's hot too.

Or, oh, it's not hot for me, but I'm into this different thing. So it helped me just normalize my beliefs, normalize my behaviors. feel less alone in the world because I feel like shame thrives in isolation. When you think you're the only person in the world that's going through something and you're alone and you're not talking to people and you're hiding parts

of yourself, fuck, that's where shame can really blossom. Versus if you take that out and you have other people saying you have nothing to be ashamed about, I'm supporting you and your hornyous and slettiness, you're normal, you're great, you're beautiful, you're exceptional. It's a lot harder to shame.

And then I think a lot of it was educating myself. of, you know, breeding books like boy slut and being like, where does this shame come from? Why do we have sex shame? How does it stem back to puritanical culture? How is this shame was rooted in being able to control women in this patriarchal sense? So shame is a tool that was used to control the masses to be sexist. Like, it's a way to be, you know, homophobic too, and it enabled that. So like shame was a tool by people in power used to kind of keep us down to keep us submissive

and subservient and not rallying and not mobilizing together. And so, like, looking at the history of it, educating yourself, surrounding yourself with good people, with people that support you, love you, that don't make you feel shame, where I think, and then, of course, therapy too was another factor because some of these things are just so ingrained and so deep-seated that it takes a little bit more deep-plucking to get to the root of it. I agree. Like, a lot of times, listen, you could talk to your friends.

But, you know, the right therapist will bring something to the table that, like, nobody else will ever bring to you, right? You know what I mean? Like you could talk to your closest friend about all of your stuff. But, like, in therapy, like I said, if you're with the right therapist, they're going to say things and bring stuff to you that you're not going to hear anywhere else. And that's what it's about. It's hard, I think, to find a good therapist, right? It's like anything. And I always say this, like, it's hard to find a good hairdresser.

It's hard to find a good mechanic, a good doctor, as well as a good therapist. Like a lot of people don't do their jobs properly. So like I fire like five before I find the one I stay with, you know? But like I do the same. Right. Usually four I speak to and then I usually go with one. And if after three sessions, I don't like them, I move on. Yeah.

I tell them straight up in the beginning like, listen, this is a trial. I don't know that I'm going to stay because most of the time I don't. But you know the right. It's to me, I'm always like, it's like dating. Like you're going to know the right one when you meet them. And you should know that and you should feel that way. And I feel like because it's very important to have a good one. but a good one could change your life.

Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Like that guy, that one guy, like you could look back and, you know, in your story, like, that's the light bulb moment, him just saying something so simple to you, right? You're obviously ready to receive it at that point. I mean, like, listen, your whole life was meant to be this. I mean, it's like who you are and what you do.

It all came together at such a young age. Like, imagine what's ahead of you, you know? I mean, you're still young to me to have already conquered such huge things in your life, which is pretty great. Thank you. I really appreciate it. Yeah, and who better to teach other people, you know? And I love that you wrote this book. I'm going to put a link to your book.

You have the other book, The Men's Health Best Sex Ever. Do you want to talk about that one? Should I put a link for that one too? Honestly, focus on Boy Slot. And I should say Boy Slut is one word because Amazon would have dinged us because Slut is a curse word. You're kidding. So, like, it would have, like, fucked up, like, SEO and traffic and looking for it. So people, like, type in Boy Slut, two words.

Like, I can't find it. I'm like, well, that's why it gets hidden because of sex negativity and all that bullshit. So that's just pointing that. It's one word. If you do it as one word, then you'll find it. Yeah, no. And I'll put a direct, like, you know, I got a book deal and I have a book coming on October. And, you know, when I want it.

Thanks. And when I, it was like, my tag log, I wanted it to be like, you just, you can't make this shit up. It's basically just taking my stories from my show and instead of interview style, turning them into third person stories, right? So there's just like stories about real people. sex lies, but these crazy stories that I get on my show, you know, and I wanted the tagline to be like, you can't make this shit up? And I'm like, oh, can't they write shit? S-H and then the whatever T. And my publisher's like, no, that's going to like fuck everything up. Because I do see a lot of books

out there like that, but they were like, no, when you type it in, you can't find it, it's not searchable. Same shit, you know? They know. It's so annoying. Yeah. But Boislet, I'm going to put a link to your book in the description. Why don't you give a shout out to all your other stuff so people could find you and follow you and all that kind of good stuff. Sure. So I feel like the best way to stay in touch with me twofold. One is on Instagram. My handle is Zachary Zane underscore underscore at the end.

I also have a substack that has blown the fuck up. It's awesome. And it's fiction and nonfiction erotica. Oh, really? And that's, it's like over 10,000 subscribers. It's a lot of fun. It's like literary smut. You'll get off to it.

It's a blast. And it really is, it's not just me writing it. I have like other writers that I work with. I get artists illustrations for every single one, original art based off of the piece. Oh, wow. And that substack is also called Boy Slut, which is either very good marketing and branding or slightly confusing. Well, there's probably another book in there for you. You'll find me on Instagram. You'll just type in Boy Slot. The substack will come up. And I can actually give you a link to it too.

Yeah, give me a link for that too, because that's like a lot of extra content that I think is like a little bit different. but people would probably love that too. Oh, I think so. Absolutely. Like it's all fiction and nonfiction, but all erotica stories. Absolutely. Oh, okay. Awesome.

Yeah, send me those links. I'll put it all in the description and I'll also post this on my Patreon. But thanks so much for calling in Zachary. I love your story. I know a lot of my listeners are going to go out and buy your book. I love what you stand for. I love that you've come full circle because I think that's like the best person to sort of learn from. You've kind of been there, done that.

So thanks for calling in and telling your story. Of course. Thank you. And talk later. Thanks, Zachary. Bye. Bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly

Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order the audio book. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different. stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck story. There's a gang being girl story. Like I said, 17 stories. And they're all told in the third person. And they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person. And I wouldn't really call it

like a total erotica book. Think like Penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not. So over the top like erotica, I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories, 17 of them. They're really short chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format, and finally, the audio book is available coming out August 25th.

But you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint. Okay. There's no way you get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay. I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other and that's what you get to do there. You can post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you can win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord.

It's private, like I said. All you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook, the ebook, or the paperback. Send it to me at Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com. That's strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com. And I will send you the link to Discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in. It's the strictly anonymous podcast.