Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1145 - Phil is Swinging with his Second Wife and They Couldn’t be Happier

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

Phil is swinging with his second wife and he couldn’t be happier and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including how and why him and his first wife barely had sex while they were married right from the get go, what he did to get himself to the point to speak up about it and how and why that eventually led to a divorce, why he got a vasectomy and the negative side effects he had encountered because of it, how he met his second wife and how their sex life was right from the get go, the fantasy he told her about that she jumped on that led to  them entering into the lifestyle, the first swinger club they went to and why they’re didn’t have a good time, there second experience and how and why that time turned out great, what they had decided they were going to do and not going to do during their first couple swap, how they’re always debriefed both before and after their hook up and how and why that was key fro them feeling comfortable, their first soft swap and exactly what went down, the bad couples they met and why things went south, their first full swap and exactly what went down, how and why there has been zero jealousy between them, how opening up their relationship has brought them closer plus a whole lot more. STAY TUNED FOR HIS WIFE’S EP WHICH WILL BE AIRED NEXT WEEK! **To see HOT pics of PHIL AND HIS WIFE plus my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712  Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed.  Sponsors:  ⁠⁠⁠http://promescent.com/kathy⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠To get 15% off your WHOLE order ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Get your first month of the new Blewchew Max FREE! use code: STRICTLYANON ⁠https://beducate.me/pd2516-anonymous⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Use code: ANONYMOUS to get an 50% off plus a 14 day money-back guarantee Follow me! Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Everything else ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcas⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Because I really do love hearing from my listeners. It makes everything that I do worth it. So keep those great reviews coming. It helps the show. Okay. Today I talk to Phil. And Phil's got such an interesting story. It's inspiring.

It's full of a lot. Okay. He was a guy that wrote in the one to talk a little bit about having a vasectomy and having like weird side effects because I spoke about vasectomy on a previous episode. But really he has another whole story about his marriage, his first marriage, his sexless marriage, and his second marriage, which is not sexless, which is actually on the opposite end of the spectrum. And that story is super inspiring and interesting.

We do talk about his vasectomy. He had one. And, you know, he's here to say that. A lot of people think that it comes with. out any kind of side effects. He had some side effects. He talks about those, but mostly we talk about his marriage and his first two marriages, his first one, which I already said was sexless. He talks about, like, you know, how that relationship played out, how their sex life was, like, from the beginning all the way to the end. And how she eventually asked for a divorce. He talks about

that in depth. It's a really interesting story the way he evolved. Then we talk about how he met his second wife. And, you know, five years into the relationship, they started experimenting and they did a soft swap. And then they did another soft swap. And now they're full swapping. And they're like full-fledged swingers. And like, who would think that this guy, when you hear his first half of his life story, would turn out to be living the second half of his life story that he's living out right now? It's inspiring. I think it's super interesting because it's not like when he got divorced. He was like, Yay, this is so great. I mean, he was devastated, but really it led him to a woman that he's really well suited for.

They're having, like, amazing sex, and it's only brought them closer. He's a super interesting guy. I love his journey, all the things that he learned about himself. He's very self-aware. You're going to love his story. So I'm going to get right to it and be right back on with Phil. Hey, Phil. Welcome to the Strictly anonymous podcast.

How are you today? I'm doing good. Thanks for having me. Thanks for calling in. Listen, Phil, I'm just going to out you a little bit real quick. going to tell you that you wanted to use the name Barney. And I was like, are you fucking kidding me? Like, why would you use the name? It's such a bad name. You know, like a made-up name. You're like, yeah, that's why I wanted to use it. It's like, oh, my God. Listen, Barney,

aka Phil. So I made up a name for you. We're calling you Phil. Okay, that's your fake name. You've lived an interesting life. And I like your story. I think it's an inspirational one. You got a couple different things going on that we're going to talk about. You did have a vasectomy, and we were listening to one of my calls where we were talking about it. And you wanted to talk about your vasectomy because you had some. side effects that a lot of people don't talk about that when I read them, because you explained them to me in your email, we're super interesting

and I think it's like helpful to get that out of there. I'm sure it's not maybe common for everyone to have certain side effects with vasectomies, but you had a specific experience you wanted to talk about. We're going to talk about that, but the bigger part of your story that I think is inspirational is you were in a very sexless

marriage, so much so that your kids were always born on the same time of the year because you only like got to fuck on your birthday. You're right? Oh my God, so bad. Oh, my God. And I'm not going to tell, I'm not going to give it all the way, but your wife had a lot of really interesting reasons why she didn't want to fuck you all the time and how she, you know, justified it.

But you eventually left your wife. That ending was super interesting, too. And now you're married to a new woman and you're living your best life. Like, not only are you having just great regular sex, you're doing like lifestyle things. You've gone to the other side of the extreme. So I think that that is always such an inspiring story for people who are stuck in a, you know, sexless or toxic vanilla marriage. Like, listen, if you do wind up leaving, like even though at the time it may seem like the end of the world and the most terrible thing that ever happened to, on the other side could be like your best life ever, right? I've heard that story many times.

Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you hit the nail on the head. I did think that my life was ending in a way. Yeah. You know, a version of me did end and was destroyed. And out of that came a new life and a better life. Yeah, it's amazing, right?

And sometimes it's not even the second time. I've had people third time around. That's the charm. You never know. And listen, I'm not here promoting divorce the minute things go bad or whatever, you know. But I'm just saying that sometimes on that. the other side of an ending, which could seem really horrifying, could be a new beginning that's 10 times better. And you only live once, right? So let's, yeah. So now let's get a snapshot of

where you're at now. How long you've been married to your second wife? We have been married about a year in three months. Okay. How long together? Yeah, together around five years. Oh, okay. And how long after your divorce did you meet her? About a year after I divorced. Okay, so let's go back to your first marriage, though. So, like, how old were you guys, you and your first wife when you guys got married? It was a pretty, I think, storybook story. We met when it was her last year in college. I had already graduated.

We met at church. I was 20. We got married when I was 25 and she was 23. Now, was your, like, relationship at that time, I'm assuming it wasn't always sexless or was it? since your kids were only born at the same time, was it like always like not a lot of sex? Yeah, yeah, it was, and actually, so, you know, like good churchgoers,

we did not have sex before we got married. Wow. Wait, were you a virgin before you married her or no? No, I was not a virgin, but I hadn't had sex with her. She wasn't either. Okay, okay, but you guys waited. How long did you date for? 18 months.

And now, so how was your, like, how is it if you wait for your wedding night? Is it like, oh my God, the best sex ever? you've been dying to fuck this girl for so long? Or is it anti-climactic because you've been waiting for so long and you're so tired after your wedding? I don't know. Like, how was it that first night?

Uh, I, it was, I would say anticlimatic. Right. I would, I would also say that maybe with somebody who was more interested in sex, it wouldn't have been. Well, listen, it's hard as a woman. I don't know. I had a first time and it wasn't that great. I don't know.

You know, like you have to, as a, like, it's, I think it's harder for a woman. to know her body and be able to figure out how to calm and stuff. So like, I don't know if she wasn't that experience before, the first time she has sex with anybody, even for me, I could have the best sex with people, but like the first time is never great. Yeah, that's true. That's true. You definitely like figure each other's bodies out. Yeah, it takes time.

What positions work for your particular physiology and what just even simple of, you know, like, what are things that you like and what are things that she likes. Yeah, totally. And a woman sometimes can't come easily from an inside orgasm. So if she's not playing with her, you know, it's a little bit different for a woman. So over time, let me ask you this, over time did the sex get good and it was good for a while? And then it kind of hit the wall? No, no.

So, I mean, there was red flags from the very beginning. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. So we went on a two-week honeymoon. I think we had sex once. During your honeymoon? Yep. Let me ask you this. Were you trying to initiate it and was she like, no, thank you? Or did you just like take her cue and you could tell she wasn't interested so you didn't push it? A little of both. You know, I certainly. Yeah, I certainly was initiating in the beginning. But then, you know, after you get rebuffed a few times, it's you get the message.

Wow. See, she probably didn't have such a great first experience and didn't realize she needed to like figure out how to make it better. So she just wasn't interested in trying to. again. You know, it's hard to say, like I put in the story in my email to you, you know, there was always a reason, right? So she was a doctor. So, you know, in the very beginning, it was, oh, I'm in med school and I'm staying up until 3 o'clock in the morning studying and getting up at 5 o'clock in the morning to go do rounds, which, you know, I'm like completely sympathetic to.

And then after medical school, it was kids. and, you know, you know, that we can't because the kids are in the house or because I'm nursing or, you know, there's always some reason. Yeah, it's interesting. Was she on birth control pill on the birth control pill? Yes, she was. Yeah, because, you know, that kills your sex drive. Like, maybe she just didn't have a sex drive because of that birth control pill. I went on her for one month and I was like, fuck this.

I felt like a dead person. And it really, because listen, it's tricking your body into thinking that you're pregnant, so you don't want to go out and fuck and everything. You know what I mean? Plus it makes girls really weepy. I'd always tell all my guy friends, like the reason why your girl doesn't want to fuck you and is crying all the time and fighting with you is because she's on that pill. It's like so terrible. I personally think. Yeah, I'm with you.

Yeah. I'm with you on that. Yeah. I subscribe to some of the similar health views that you do. Yeah. Her being a doctor, she was old school. Always, you know, just following whatever the status quo, mainstream medical advice was, which, you know, especially, you know, especially. 20, 30 years ago, what was take the pill.

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get on the pill to get your regular menstrual cycle so you're not surprised and keep everything stable and normal and et cetera. Yeah, it's crazy. You know, and I don't want to get too into it, but it was like kind of insane that those same people would be like, but I'd never take hormones, you know, but they were taking like a birth control pill, which to me was so much more fucked up if you really think about what it's doing and they would be on it for millions of years, you know, and they just gave it to women like candy and every woman took it.

And I'm sorry, but it knocked out your sex life. So so many women were never horny. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, interestingly in our case, you know, she knew at least towards the end of our marriage that that wasn't healthy. Yeah. And she actually asked me to get a vasectomy so that she could get off the pill. So this is when it comes in, the vasectomy.

So she wants to get off the pill because she's been out all this time. She had her kids and everything, but she doesn't want to keep teeth. taking it. And so that's when you had the vasectomy. Right. Let's go there. Because basically your whole marriage is not so great. I mean, it's like a sexless marriage. Like you said, and I remember you saying in your email that, like, you know, she's a doctor.

So she just always had excuses, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And I would talk to her and say, you know, like this is not normal. And, you know, she would say, oh, no, no, no, no. I'm a doctor. I see this all the time.

you know, most of my female patients are this, you know, or only having sex once a month or less than once a month. And, you know, this is completely normal. Yeah, crazy, right? And listen, she, like, she wasn't lying to. Like, that's what she really believed, you know? Sad. Yeah, yeah.

Right? It's not like she's making this up. She's, like, thinking in her hub manipulating you, you know? Like, she really is, like, buying this herself, too. And a lot of women did, and the birth control didn't help. and she never got to enjoy sex. It's kind of sad. Oh, it's very sad. And actually, I don't know if you want to go here now, but at the end, I believe the moment that my marriage really ended was when I confronted her about this. And I actually, I started doing affirmation, daily affirmations. Oh, I love that. That's powerful. Yeah, and the affirmation was, I deserve love and affection.

Love it. And I heard that on a podcast, and as soon as I heard it, I was like, oh, I'm doing this. And I wrote it 50 times a day, every day. And eventually, you know, I started doing that with the intention of transforming my marriage into one that had love and affection. And, of course, I didn't know it at the time, but in retrospect, it didn't transform my marriage. It transformed me into the kind of person that wouldn't tolerate a marriage without love and affection. Yeah, I got the chills.

I love it for your wife. But I mean, that's sometimes what happens. Oh, yeah. So one night, you know, I initiated sex and she rebuffed and said, oh, you know, I just, I have a low libido. Which she had probably said to me a thousand times. Yeah. And I usually just roll over and went to sleep. But that night, because I was doing the affirmations, I believe, I confronted her.

And I said, well, what if it's not that you just have a low libido? What if it's that you're not attracted to me? And if that's the case, what the hell are we doing? Yeah, major, major. And then I said, and I said, look, you should want to have sex. with your partner and you should want it for yourself. Right. Not for me.

And I, and I, and I, in it probably, I don't know, six to nine months later she would ask for divorce. But I think that was really what the catalyst for the whole thing. Yeah, I love that. And you know, what's kind of interesting about like divorce stories, a lot of times, you know, people will come to me like, oh, this person's getting divorced and can you believe? And they think that the person that sort of like throws the first ball and like breaks things up as like the terrible person, you know, that ruined the marriage.

But a lot of times it's the person that has evolved out of it. And you can't blame them for being sick and tired of being in a terrible relationship. Do you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. And like you had done some work on yourself, changed and grew to be a different person. And so you weren't equivalent to that anymore. And that's what happens a lot of times. That's the reason why a lot of people get divorces.

One person just like betters themselves. And if the other person doesn't at the same time, they go separate ways. And a lot of times, like I said, people look at that one person that's like got better and it's like, I don't want this anymore as the terrible person. No, they just, why should they have stayed in something so bad? They're actually the better person to have done it. And like you said, and we said before and you're going to talk about now, like when it happens, it's not like you're not throwing a party.

You're not like, this is the greatest thing I'm getting a divorce. It is a terrible point because it's a death. But, you know, what comes after it is a better life for you. and you knew at that time because you had done those affirmations and worked on that part of yourself that before didn't think you deserved a great relationship. You had done the work and now you felt like you did and that's exactly what you got. Yep, absolutely. And that's great for you and your ex-wife has her own path and that could happen to her at any time in her life. Sometimes a couple stay together because one person betters themselves and the other person does at the same

time. You know what I mean? And that's a beautiful thing too. But when it doesn't, you go your separate ways, right? Now, so you guys got a divorce. Just talk about your vasectomy though real quick. You want to do that? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, like I said, she'd asked me to get a vasectomy so that she could get off the pill, which at the time she'd been on the pill, I don't know, 15, 18, 20 years, something like that. So it seemed reasonable. And, you know, just like the medical profession, they never tell women about all these side effects for the pill. They never tell men about the side effects for vasectomies, and in fact they promote it as having zero side effects.

Yeah, that's what I would think. Yeah, and so the few side effects I noticed, the first one I noticed immediately is they, so when they cut the tube that carries the sperm, right? And then they tie a knot in each end. Yeah. And apparently they used to only just tie the knot and then sometimes it would grow back together. So at some point, they started putting metal clips on the end of it so that it can't grow back together.

And I immediately could feel those metal clips. And, you know, occasionally, like when I'm going to the bathroom or when my pants or underwear brushes against me in a certain way, like I could feel. those metal clips. Oh, that's crazy. And it was kind of, men will know what I'm talking about. Like, if you barely get your testicles grazed by, you know, whatever, a kick, or you just rub them on something the wrong way. Like, it's like a, it's not quite like getting kicked in the nuts,

but it's along that, it's in that same family. Yeah. Uh-huh. And occasionally I would get that kind of sensation just from hitting those metal clips in the wrong way. So that's one thing that they don't talk about. Now, I will say over time, that has dissipated and it doesn't happen. I would say like the first year after the vasectomy, it would happen pretty frequently. Now it barely happens.

And then the other side effect that I think would be, is like a bigger thing for people is it does. You know, they tell you, oh, it does not affect pleasure at all. But for a man, at least for me, when the ejaculate comes out, that's a very strong sensation. Right. And I do have less ejaculate after the vasectomy. Yeah. And so that that sensation is not as strong. Oh, because, right.

So because they're correlated, right? So if you're producing less, like maybe that's less of a feeling is what you're saying. Yeah. And it's not that I don't have orgasms or that my orgasms are less. It's just like that it's almost like the satisfaction that it's like a physical representation of having the climax. right? Yeah.

Having this ejaculate come out and when there's less of it, it just feels less satisfying. Yeah, that's interesting. Now, did you ever go Googling about that and just to see if like other people had that experience? Did you ever talk to your doctor about it? No, I never, I never talked to the doctor and I never Googled it or anything. Yeah. But since being in the lifestyle, I have had a guy tell me that he's not, he doesn't,

doesn't have a vasectomy and that because of that, he has been told by women that they like the size of his loads better. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, I've never heard about it. But I think that that's an interesting thing to put out there. I'm going to, I've been calling out to doctors, like real medical professionals to get them on for, you know, sexual health. And I had a urologist get back to me who's going to come on and discuss all this.

So I'm going to ask about these things for the vasectomy because I think that that's important. because you never heard about it. I never did, but that guy that you met did. And listen, where there's one, there's many. You can't be the only guy without experience. You might just be more body. Like, for me, like, I tend to, like, notice things that happen with certain medications and stuff

more than the next person because I'm very body conscious, right? So, like, everyone is different. You know, you might notice something more than somebody else, but, and that's why you have the experience and know it, right? And other people might not even think about it. But it's important for other guys to know that this could. be the case. Yeah, I think I think you're right about, you know, people having different levels of awareness about their body and maybe, maybe even being able to feel things on a,

you know, slightly different way than other people do. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. So I would say, I think you're probably right that, you know, it's probably not everyone, but there are probably a segment of the population that this could be important for. Yeah, especially if you're one of those sensitive people. And I think if you are, you know, you know, you know. know what I mean? Yeah. I'm definitely one of those. And let me just tell you something really quick, and I'm going to say it's so fast about the affirmations. I've tried to get Kelly Howell. She's like a meditation woman on my show many times. I don't know if she's too old to do things anymore, but she doesn't get back to me. But she has, okay, you like wrote down those affirmations, right?

But she has these tapes, okay? And like, because I believe in what you did in that place, right? Because what happens to people, like, anybody out there that is like working their ass off to, like, do something and it's just not working, whether it's find love and they can't find it or have money and they can't get money or have a baby like I went through so much infertility. Because on some level, I didn't believe I deserved it. You know, it's always like a deserving issue. And when you're like working so hard to get something, you can't get it, it could be like a subconscious block because you have this subconscious story that's playing. And like I said, most of the time it has to do with you thinking you don't deserve it, whether it's money, love, success, all that kind of stuff. And what really works on fixing that shit is the, the, these like affirmation and i believe in it look it changed you for sure and kelly howell has these tapes okay and anyone could get it on iTunes for free i bought the fucking albums are like 999 and you listen to them on repeat and they are like they're literally called like attract wealth while you work attract love while you work attract success while you work and the reason why they're called that is because you put these little things in your ear okay and it is just bird chirping

You don't hear anything else. You could work. It actually focuses you because there's beta and theta waves in there. And all you hear is like really nice noise in the background. It's not a guided imagery or anything. And you just listen to that and you go about your day and you do your work. And like I said, you don't have to pay attention to it. It actually helps you focus.

I write. I edit. I do everything with it in the back of my head. I've been listening to them for years. And it changes your fucking life. Because what you don't realize is happening at the same time is there are affirmations that you could barely hear that are going into your head and your conscious doesn't hear them so they can't block them and it goes into your subconscious and it changes your whole fucking life okay and that's all i'm

gonna say about because one day i could do a whole like episode about how it changed my life it is the most powerful thing you could do like you took the time and wrote it every day for 50 hours like i give you credit you know i was like fucking lazy i got these tapes but they work they work and to this day I don't stop listening to them. They are in my ears 24-7 for years and the way they worked like insane. I've tried to get on my show because it's so powerful and it worked more. I couldn't have been in therapy for 30 years to break my subconscious blocks that I had that these tapes went into infects.

And she explains in the beginning why it works and what it does and it really makes sense. And you're like, oh my God, this, of course this works because of what she says. And then you listen to it and three months later. six months later, you're thinking about or doing, it like, it changes your life. Hey, everyone, have a partner that you want to explore and learn to do new hot things with. Well, then, why not get beducated? Beducated is like the Netflix of sex education, where you and your partner can go and get access to over 100 courses to choose from all in one place.

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And three months later, six months later, you're thinking about her doing it, like, it changes your life. Oh, yeah. I'm right there with you. In fact, since going through all of this, I've gotten two different mindset coaching certifications. Oh, I love that. Yeah, I teach people a lot of the stuff that you're talking about.

Oh, I love that. Well, create your own CDs. Because I was like, you know, trying to set up like an affiliate with her because I'm like, I could sell the shit out of her episodes, right? I don't like I have like a piece of it if I'm going to put it out there. You know what I mean? Because it literally worked for me. Change my whole life.

I can't even tell you that I'm just like, maybe I should just make them myself and then sell them because I believe in it so much and it really works. And so many people have subconscious blocks that are holding them back from having the things that they should have in life, right? That everyone else has. Oh, yeah. It's the, yeah. I mean, everything's run by the subconscious. Yeah, totally.

You're, yeah. And until you, I think. Carl Young said, until you make the subconscious conscious, you know, fate will run your life and you'll call it coincidence. Yeah. Oh, I love that. True. Yeah. 100% true. But anyway, so I just want to say that for other people listening to your story. And like I said, you did it 50 times. You could write it that way. These tapes are great because you put them in your ear and you could walk around and you could talk to people. You could work with them in and it's not like a guided meditation. You don't have to take time out of your day and they work.

Okay, so let's go to that. You break up with your wife or she ends divorce. Does she come to you one day and say, hey, I want to get a divorce? Yeah, yeah. So speaking of subconscious programming, I had subconscious programming that I was never going to ask for divorce. I mean, I remember my parents got divorced when I was seven. And I remember, I remember deciding when I was seven, I'm never getting divorced.

So if she left it up to me, I was never going to ask. So I definitely owe her For doing it Because I was never going to do it Yeah So she was the one that came to you to get a divorce After you threw that out there And then you so you meet your girl though

Your new wife One year later like was it one year later that you started dating Did you like wind up meeting her by accident? Like how did you wind up meeting her? We ended up meeting on an app And she and I kind of had a similar journey Yeah We got divorced around the same time

and we kind of spent a year sewing our oats and meeting people on the apps and you know everybody hates the dating apps and talks about how horrible they are and what a terrible time it is and how you meet all these terrible people and get dick pics and this and that

and all this terrible gross stuff and we actually both of us thought we had a great time on the apps okay so you instantly clicked you remember that first date with her oh yeah yeah so we met on I think it was a Friday night and immediately clicked. We both thought each other were attractive.

And then, you know, we had very similar divorce stories about, you know, not asking for what you wanted in your previous relationship and kind of dealing with somebody who was manipulative and allowing yourself to be manipulated. And so we really connected on that level. and quickly scheduled a second date, which also went well. And we were made out and stuff on the second date. And once we decided that this was fun, we were like, yeah, you know, I'm, look, I just got divorced. Like, I'm not really interested in anything serious. And she was like, oh, yeah, no, no, me too.

Like, yeah, this is, this is just companionship and, and, uh, oh, that's interesting. That's where you guys were both were at at that point. Like just fun. Oh, yeah, totally. Okay. And then, you know, it just kept being fun and kept being great. And after, you know, like three or four or five months, we were like, this is like really cool and great and fun. And like, as long as it keeps being like this, we should just keep doing this.

Yeah. Yeah. And now, was the sex great right from the get-go? It actually was. No red flags there. Just green light. No. No.

Yeah. No, the sex was great from the beginning. And we, early on, we took a bunch of trips to like Cancun and Cabo. And we would just hold up in our hotel room and have lots of sex. And it was fun and great. And yeah,

it was definitely one of the most sexually satisfying relationships I've had and grew into definitely the most sexually a satisfying relationship. Yeah. How long into that really? relationship did you guys decide to like start really experimenting? So it started because I don't know, maybe a couple years into knowing each other. We were sitting around talking about fantasies and she says, what's your fantasy? And like every guy on the planet, my fantasy was to be with two women. And, you know, then we talked about her fantasies and whatnot. And I,

I just didn't even remember that that happened. And, you know, like many months later, maybe even a year later, she comes up to me and she's like, hey, babe, I've been thinking about your fantasy to be with two women. And I want to figure out how to make that come true for you. Wow. And I was like, oh, my God, are you serious? Like, it's amazing. Yeah. And so that really was the catalyst that got us trying to figure out how to do this.

And I started listening to podcasts and yours, you know, like you, you search for podcasts about threesome's yours is one of the first ones that comes up. Oh, good to know. Yeah, that was one of the first times, first times I heard your podcast and I started listening to it. And, you know, you hear the stories of these people that are into the lifestyle and how they got into it. And that kind of gave me some ideas. And we explored a lot of different ideas. At the very beginning, we definitely did not consider joining the lifestyle. And in fact, we talked about it a lot.

Like, we talked about it for probably a year before we did anything at all. and one of the things that we really got close to doing was hiring a sex worker to have a threesome. Oh, okay. I get it. Because you had yet even had the one with the female, right? Right. Uh-huh. And so we went so far as to, like, contact this person, put down a deposit.

And then, like, I don't know, a couple days before it was supposed to happen, we started talking with each other. And we're like, yeah, you know, this doesn't quite seem like the right thing to do. And I don't remember exactly when in our journey we found the TV show swing on Playboy TV. Uh-huh. But this is like a, it's like a reality show where they take a newbie couple that's never done swinging. They bring them into this house, kind of like a big brother or something. Yeah. But it's a house full of swingers.

and the swingers, like, initiate this newbie couple into the lifestyle and, like, show them how it all works. Oh, my God. How is this show? It's fun. Yeah. Wow. What a great little idea. Uh-huh.

And it's on Playboy Channel, so there's, like, full nudity. It's like watching porn. Yeah, for sure. But you're learning. Yeah. Right, kind of. And so, yeah, oh, yeah, definitely learning. So, like, after a few episodes of that, we were started talking and we're like, yeah, you know,

I'm like, I don't know, maybe we could do this. Let's like go check out a swinger club. And so that's what we did. After watching that show. Okay, so how did you find? Were you guys like on an app or something? Like how do you find your first swingers club in your area to go to? You could just Google it and it'll it'll come up.

So you Googled. And was there one like down the street and you just had never had any idea? Or did you have to travel? No, there was it. No, it was like it was probably 45 minutes to an hour away from our house. And so we ended up, we also got on SDC. How is SDC? It was good.

It's good. It's still our favorite app. We've also tried SLS, Cassidy, and Field, and SDC is our favorite. I love that. Let's give my shout out because I could give everyone a free trial for SDC. It's three, you use my code 3771 or go to the description and you're going to get a link. Listen, I've added a lot of these sites ahead of time in it. It typically, like it was just like I would always hear SDC being.

everyone's favorite and that's why I chose that one to promote on my show though all the apps are good and stuff but a lot of people say SDC is their favorite and that's why I paired up with them so I have a free trial for SDC just go to the link but anyway so you guys went on these so you're on the apps right but tell me about your first experience at the swingers club that first night oh well so we made a huge mistake for our first experience at the swingers club we went on a Friday night which is when they allow single men uh-huh and and and And everyone on SDC that I talked to, they all said, don't go to Friday night on your first night because of this.

And, you know, in defense of the single man, no one accosted us. No one made us feel uncomfortable. No one treated us poorly. It wasn't that. It was just the, there's like this really thick air of desperation in the club. Oh, that's interesting. I was going to say, why not? Like, what's wrong with the vibe?

So that's the vibe of it? Yeah, so you know, like, if you're, you go to a regular vanilla club and it's like they announced last call and it's like 30 minutes before closing. Yeah. How like all the guys realize, oh, they only got 30 minutes to pick up a chick and it like gets real desperate. It's like that the whole time. Oh, my God. So how did you stay the whole night? No, no, and as a matter of fact, we made another mistake of connecting with this couple on SDC and deciding to meet them for the first time at the Swingers Club.

On that Friday night, on the bad night. Yes, oh no. Yes. And so we met them, and it was a little, like, they weren't quite our cup of tea and the vibe wasn't right. And we just weren't into them at all. And so there's a little bit of them kind of like being a little clinging with us and us having to like, be like, hey, no, no, no, like we're like this, you got the wrong idea here. So that was difficult. And then there was because of the singles, single men, like the amount, the types of couples that come on those nights are they're looking for single men, right?

they're not looking for couples. Oh, interesting. Yeah. And so, like, they're just, it just wasn't that great. But our second experience was really great. We went, so we got connected with this group that all kind of hangs out together. It's like, I don't know, 10 to 12, maybe a few more couples.

And it was one of their birthdays. And so they invited us to meet them at the club. and it was it was way different and really really nice because as soon as we walked in we had this group of like 10 or 12 couples that we were introduced to that we could talk to that you know it wasn't awkward breaking the ice and walking into this group because we're invited and we met a bunch of great people there that night and that was also the night of our first experience we decided to go back to our hotel room with one of the the other couples. Now, what was on the table for that first experience? Because what I'm thinking is that you're just doing like a girl on girl three, like a MFF threesome. Or is at this, or by this point, are you guys like looking to do like a full swap with a couple? No. So again, we talked about everything, right? We talked about and we kind of, you know, knew going in that we wanted to do a soft swap. Like that was what we wanted for our first foray into the, into the lifestyle. Okay. And so we decided, like if we meet somebody there that night that we want to do that with, that that's, that's what we would do. And so, you know, we met this.

We actually previously met this couple and they were there. And so we asked them if they wanted to go back to our hotel room, do a soft swap. And they were way more experienced than we were, but they were like, yeah, sure, that sounds great. and we got back to the hotel room and they were super great, couldn't have been better, like, you know, before anything started, we all just sat down and they kind of led the discussion of like, okay, what are your boundaries? What are you willing to do? What are you not willing to do? And they knew it was our first time and it was a blast. What went out?

So we had decided on our rules that we would do. everything but penetration, including oral. And so it started off with a little girl-on-girl action. And was that the first time for your girl to have some girl-on-girl-action? Yes. Okay. Yeah, and she wasn't quite sure how she would like it. She was definitely curious and went to explore it.

And one of the things that was surprising, at least to me, was in our lead-up talking through all of this. and I can't express to other people listening, like how important it is to talk through every scenario, right? So like, yeah. And when I, when I say every scenario, that's exactly what I mean. Like, we would sit around and talk like, okay, how are you going to feel if I go down on another woman?

How are you going to feel if she goes down on me? How are you going to feel if, you know, whatever it is, like every conceivable scenario. and I really think spending a lot of time on those discussions made our first experience a lot better because there wasn't anything that we hadn't already imagined and kind of explored those feelings. Right, like you had anticipated a lot of stuff, right, ahead of time, like what if this or that and had talked it out. So you knew what was that going to happen going through so you could enjoy yourself. without worrying about what, you know, how the other person's going to feel or whatever.

Yep. And through those discussions, my wife actually had said, oh, you know, I'm not sure that I'd be interested in going down on a woman. And I'm like, you know, like whatever you want to do, that's great with me. Yeah. And then we get into this scenario and the other woman goes down on her and then they swap. And I was like, whoa. okay this is this is neat this is fun yeah and after and we did a that's another thing that we did too is like afterwards we did multiple debriefs afterwards like how are you feeling how are you feeling

about this how are you feeling about when he did this to you and how do you feeling about when she did this to me and just everything and of course I asked her at that point I'm like okay well you said at the beginning you weren't sure you were down on to go down on a woman but you it. So like, what do you think? And she's like, well, I liked it a lot more than I thought. And I was like, well, I'm not surprised because vaginas are great. Yeah. Oh, my God. And wait, now, what did you do in that threesome? So she's looking up with the woman. Does she do soft swap with the guy as well and you with the woman, like doing oral and stuff with them, both each other's partners? So we basically ended up doing every, you know, like everything that we could with

out penetration. Okay. So swapping, though, both partners, all, everyone together. Yeah. So it started off with the girls playing with each other. And then he, the other guy ended up when

my wife is going down on her. She's kind of like kneeling down, doing that with her butt up in the air. He went around to her, started eating her from the back. And then he actually stopped for a minute and he turned to me and he goes, hey go go put your dick in my wife's mouth and yeah I mean like that one yeah and and so I went around and did that and so like we had this big oral chain going and then at one point now my

wife knew that I wanted like you know having the the two-girl experience was was on my bucket list and so she made sure she made sure that I got a double blow job during that which was incredible highly recommended 10 out of 10 stars would recommend. That's so funny. Now, where's this other couple hot, by the way? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were around our same age, maybe a couple years younger, both of them. And yeah, good looking, you know, relatively fit, not out of shape or anything.

Cute faces, both of them. Right. And, you know, and then after the double blow job, I went to. down on her and he went down on my wife and then I actually made her come like really, really, really good. And after that, she was like, okay, I need dick and we're going to have to switch partners because I have to have some dick. And then we switched partners and did a parallel play. Right. Oh, so and you fucked in front of people. Now, how was all of that, like as far as like, you know, being the voyeur, fucking in front of people, seeing your girl with somebody else, Hershey.

You with someone else was there was any of that stuff like an added turn on besides the fact that you're doing all this other crazy great stuff? Oh, it was super. We both agree. It was super hot watching each other with someone else. Okay. Yeah. The voyeur aspect of stuff I wasn't really into. Uh-huh.

And then in the club, we both realized like, I guess we're not that big exhibitionist because we didn't really have any desire to play in the club. Yeah. But in the hotel room, in that scenario, we both thought it was really fun kind of performing for the other couple because they finished before we did. And they just sat around and watched us. So like the one-on-one having them watch was hot, but just not in like a public scenario. I could see that there being a difference. Like in that scenario, though, you did like them watching you. Yes.

Yeah. Cool. Interesting. All right. So that was your first one and you guys enjoyed it. It was great. and then so how did it progress from there was that recently like how long you guys been playing like this oh not very long that was in like late february oh wow so that was but that's major and that's after like

five years of being together right like five years in yes and so what did you do after that have you full swap since we have so so we had a couple more experiences after that that didn't go as well. Like we really, like, there's, there's been no, you know, like, major issue for us, but we have definitely run into some couples who clearly, or they are not on the same page with each other. Oh, you want to stay the fuck away from that. Yeah, yeah. He did those warnings. Those were all my swingers gone wrong stories. Yeah. And fortunately for us, I've heard some of those stories. Yeah.

And fortunately for us, like, we found out that they weren't on the same page before we got involved. What made you guys, though, decide to go full swap? Was it, like, after you did a couple soft swaps, you felt like so comfortable that you're like, I could totally, like, what's the difference, like, if you put in the kind of thing? Yes. Yeah, yeah. So, like, for us, it's always been, like, let's take baby steps, see how we feel.

reassess, talk about it, make sure that we're on the same page about everything. And yeah, ultimately it came to the point where we're like, okay, we've done a couple soft swaps and we're ready to see how it works if we do full swap. And both of you, though, were okay with it. Like both of you were on board. She's like prepared to see you, fuck a girl. You're prepared to see her fuck a guy. Yep. Yeah. And we talked about it a lot. Yeah. We talked about it during sex. and not during sex. And, you know, and it's, it's super hot, like during sex while you're fucking each other to say, you know, oh man, can you imagine how it's going to feel for you to watch me

fuck so and so? Yeah. And, and that's a turn on during sex. And then it's kind of makes it easier to talk about it when you're not having sex too, which is actually when all of the real boundary setting. come in, yeah, it's important. That's the more important time to talk about it because that's when you could really ask

the questions that maybe you need to ask or talk about the things that you need to talk about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or if one of you's, you know, does have reservations or is worried about, you know, whatever it is, right? So like a woman might be. You're not going to have those reservations when you're horny, right? If they're all going on.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but it's like, you don't want Postnut clarity. So that's why you talk Postnut, right? Like that's, you know, it's, yeah. You know, it's interesting talking about post nut clarity. So, so immediately after our first soft swap, I, we, we did not have any of that. Like, they left our, yeah, they left our hotel room. And then it was just the two of us in bed.

And we were like, this is so great. This is amazing. I feel great. How do you feel? I feel great. And there was no, no, like, post-nut. remorse or clarity or doubts or anything. We both were just like, yeah, this is fantastic.

Now, I will say one thing I didn't expect is neither one of us slept that night. Oh, that's so funny, but not out of shame or guilt out of like maybe excitedness. Yeah, I could totally see that. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. We're just both just laying there like in the afterglow, just like completely amped up and like high-vibing and just like not in that space where you're tired enough to go to sleep. Yeah, I totally got that.

So let's get to your full swap. Okay, so we reached out to a different couple in that same group of like the 10 or 12 couples and who had actually hit on us at the club the same night that we met the other couple for the soft swap. and we kind of just like put that in their back pocket to follow up with. And so we followed up with them and like, yeah, hey, we should, you know, go out and we started talking to them, got in the four-way chat and started, you know, just talking about what we wanted to do. And then they found out that we had not done a full swap and that we were willing to do it with them. And they got super excited.

And so again, we got a hotel room and went out to dinner with them. and came back to the hotel and did the full swap. It was super hot, like all of it, watching my wife with her, watching my wife with him. My wife thought it was hot watching me, just like really go to town on this girl doggy style. She really liked that.

The only thing for me about that was I wasn't quite fully present just because it was like a lot to. good. They can. That's so funny. Yeah. Yeah. And I've heard, you know, men have problems staying erect and all this stuff.

And I didn't, I didn't have any of those problems. I had no performance issues. But I just, there was not any way that I was going to orgasm that night. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. But, but it would be, it's not a bad, it's not coming. It's not because it's like not, you're worried or anything. It's just like it's maybe the same thing of why he couldn't sleep.

you're like so jacked up and there's so much going on and it's like so much to take in all at one time. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean like it was a lot. You know, my wife was squirting. The other lady was squirting. Oh my God. It was there was just yeah, it was like you said, a lot to take in a lot of stimulus, a lot of things that had never happened before. And I just think I was like not really fully in my body. So taking it, so doing the full swap, like, is like a lot more intense than the sauce swap, right? Like taking it to that level. It, I, for us it was, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

But you were happy. I mean, was there any, was it the same thing like after that experience? Like, no post not, like, no feeling bad afterwards. Everything's good. You know, when everything is all said and done. Yep. Oh, yeah. Same exact feeling afterwards.

Yeah. No remorse, no guilt. No. Shame. Toast nut clarity, nothing like that. Just, you know, oh, this was great. This was fun. We should do it again.

And, you know, our whole debrief, which we took, you know, several days to do, you know, just talking through things like, okay, how did you feel when this happened? How did you feel when this happened? You know, just talking through the whole thing step by step with each other and making sure everybody's on the same page. Everybody's happy. Everybody's, you know, there's no jealousy, no anything. And honestly, maybe the biggest surprise in the whole thing is early on in our relationship, my wife, she told me flat out. She's like, look, I am a jealous person.

I get jealous. Yeah. Like, you cannot be, like, texting other women that are your friends or like, like, I will get jealous. I'm, that's just the way I am. Yeah. So when we started talking about getting into the lifestyle and stuff, that was her first concern is, oh, I don't know if I could do.

this because I'm such a jealous person. But I think probably because of all of the talking and discussions and like really, really diving into, you know, how are you going to feel in this specific scenario when I'm fucking the shit out of this girl and she's screaming and having amazing orgasms like I make you have orgasms? How are you going to feel when it's her receiving the pleasure? like you receive. Right. And her really going there in her mind beforehand and really seeing if she could actually deal with that ahead of time before you even did it. That's the kind of stuff you guys discussed

and went through. Yep. Yeah. And I think because of that, there's been no jealousy for either of us. And I also think, though, too, it must, it's got to be a sign of like where you guys are at with each other. You know, you've been with each other for five years. Like all this communication, it's not like, you know, someone's telling you you have to talk like this. Like this is how you guys communicate with each other, which is very well, right? You're constantly communicating, over communicating with each other.

So there's probably like total trust. And I feel like if you have total trust, then what does it matter if you fuck someone else? I think where that jealousy comes in is when you have a little bit of insecurity. And unfortunately, no matter how long some people are in a relationship with somebody else, they don't have that total trust for whatever reason. you know, in a lot of relationships.

It's just not there. But you guys probably have it. And you must have had that before, I think, you know? Oh, yeah, absolutely. And I should also add that like our sex, just the two of us is, I mean, we have pleasure and levels of, I don't even know what to call it enlightenment, like pleasure, crazy. experiences having sex that I've never had with anybody else, neither has she. And I think it's from the trust that you're talking about. It's like we both feel very safe with each other and trust each other and are able to be vulnerable with each other in ways that we weren't able to do with

anyone else before. And it just makes the sex off the charts. Yeah. And that's, you know, what it's all about. And that's what I think is so interesting about these stories that I think a lot of times like the people in the vanilla world don't fucking get and don't know. And because a lot of times a lot of people just assume if you open up your relationship, it's doomed for failure. Your vanilla relationship that was very monogamous was doomed for failure. This relationship is not. And look what you're doing.

And people would think it's the opposite. And like I said, at my show, like I always say this on my show and I'm not here to say that this is something that everyone should do. I know that most people won't ever live this kind of. lifestyle, but what I'm here to say is that if you do and you decide to do it, that it can work, and it does work, and when it does work, it actually brings people closer together. So, fuck off all you people that think that it doesn't. I totally agree. I mean, if you really stop and think about it, like, if you're not able to share your, like, deepest, darkest fantasies

with your partner, if, for whatever reason, you don't feel, that you can share that with them, that's a piece of you that they can't know. Yeah. And it's, and it's showing you like there is a block in your relationship that makes you or her, you know, the other person, whoever, feel unsafe to talk about certain things. Yeah, and you're holding a whole side of yourself. So like, you know on some level they don't totally love you because they don't know this part of you. whereas I think when you're totally up front and you're totally open, you're like,

this is like this person really loves me for all of me, right? And vice versa. And that's where that closeness, I think, that you're talking about comes into play. Let me ask you a question. Does your wife know you're calling in? Yes, she does. She was standing here a minute ago. Will she ever, would she ever call in and tell her side of the story?

I can definitely ask her. she might do it anonymously. She was not super excited about me calling in. Oh, but I'm going to change your voice. She's going to be very happy when she hears your voice. But the other thing, listen, she wants calling them. That's fine. If not, no big deal.

I love your story. I love getting it from you. You know, if she wants to tell it from her side, that will be super interesting. If not, it's fine. But if you want to send in pictures from my Patreon anonymous pictures, you could do that. And I will give you free access to my Patreon to see the comments that, you know, know people will make for your episode. It's definitely going to be airing in the next two weeks. And I'll also give you free access to my Discord for calling in. Okay. So if you want to send me

picks, do that sooner than later. But if not, no big deal. I love your story. So thanks for calling in and sharing your story. It was super interesting. And I think it'll be inspiring for people. Yeah, I hope so. I hope it will help people who are in the position I used to be in. Yeah, I love that. You know, I love it. So what did we call you again? What's your fake name? Oh, Phil.

Not Barney. All right, Phil. Phil, thanks so much for calling in. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Okay, good news. I do have a book out.

I wrote a book and it's coming out. The book is called Tricklead on This Confessions. Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. What I did was I picked out the 17 best episodes. That was very hard to do. Okay. I picked like one from each. category and I retold the story from the third person. So it's not interview style. It's a little bit

more erotica. The only place where I took creative liberty was in the sex scene. So it's even hotter than my episodes. Like I said, it's told in the third person. And they're all true, just like my show. I mean, these are real stories from my show, just written out. Like I said, in the third person, not an interview style, more like a story, but a true story, a true super hot story. Now listen, it is available for pre-order now, and it's not coming out until October 14th, and I was like, oh my God, that's a long time away. So I figured I'd incentivize people. If you want to pre-order it now, I will give you free access to my Discord if you pre-order it now. All you got to do is screenshot, a pick of the receipt, just screenshot it to me. Send it to Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com.

And then I will send you the link to my Discord. So that's a link. little incentive to pick it up now. It's on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Simon & Schuster. The link is in the description. So make sure to click on it. And if you get it, send me the pick of you purchasing and I'll give you free access to my private discord that is a totally naughty, super hot community with a lot of people over 2500 people over there having fun. Remember email me the pick at strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called strictly anonymous Confession Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers is now available not only in paperback and e-book, but you can pre-order the audiobook.

It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck story. There's a gang-bang girl. story. Like I said, 17 stories, and they're all told in the third person, and they're all true. I took the

interview and rewrote it in the third person, and I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like Penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories. 17 of them. They're really short chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two. And then, skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format, and finally, the audio book is available coming out August 25th, but you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint, okay? There's no way you get into my Discord any other way

than getting the link from me, okay? I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there, Everybody shares content with each other, and that's what you get to do there. You can post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you can win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total, strictly anonymous community, and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private, like I said. All you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook, the ebook, or the paperback. sent it to me at Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com. That's Strictly Anonymous Podcasts at gmail.com.

And I will send you the link to Discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in. This is the Strictly Anonymous podcast.