Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1175 - Richard and his Wife Went from Super Religious to Being in the Swinger Lifestyle

Episode Date: July 22, 2025

Richard and his wife went from super religious to entering into the swinger lifestyle and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear him discuss all the details including the convo they had out of the blue one day that really changed the game and what prompted it, how long it took for them to go from talking to entering into the swinger world, why they decided to go allow each other to flirt with other people both in and out of the lifestyle, how he got his wife to orgasm regularly, their first time at a sex club and his wife’s first gloryhole experience,  their second visit to the swingers club and what exactly went down, the hotel takeover they went to and exactly what went down including his wife’s experience with “fire play”, the next hotel takeover and exactly what went down, how he realized he’s a major exhibitionist, what he does on Tik-Tok and how it’s fulfilling his wife’s fantasy, the smut books his wife reads that get her going, how and why she uses Tinder to look for guys and what’s next on the agenda for them to try plus a whole lot more. Here's his TikTok! https://www.tiktok.com/@maskeddadbodt=ZT-8vHdvs37iEY&r=1 **To see HOT pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712  Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed.  Sponsors: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://butterwellness.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Use the code “STRICTLY” at checkout for 20% off your entire order ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://liferx.md⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Start your transformation now and get $50 OFF your first month, use code: ANONYMOUS ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://vb.health⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To get 10% off Drive AND LOAD Boost by VB Health use code: STRICTLY ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Get your first month of the new Blewchew Max FREE! use code: STRICTLYANON ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://beducate.me/pd2520-anonymous⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Use code: ANONYMOUS to get 50% off your yearly pass plus get a 14-day money-back guarantee  Follow me! Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Everything else ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcas⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I really like couples who are newbies who have definitely taken a step, a big step away from being vanilla. I mean, this guy Richard and his wife were like married from the get-go. She was a virgin when they got married. They're still only in their early 30s. But they've, you know, been with each other since the beginning. And like a couple of years ago, a few years ago, Richard brought up being attracted to other people. It was kind of a very interesting conversation. I kind of stuck on the conversation for a long time because a lot of times when people are getting into the

lifestyle, they have conversations where they're like, oh, let's open it up and go hook up with other couples or do things. But he was just really talking about the fact that, like, you know, he felt like he was attracted to other women and wanted to know if his wife was attracted to other men. Now, I think that kind of conversation could go in really bad ways if you bring that up to your partner, telling them that you're interested in other people. But his didn't. And it's very interesting. He talks about how he brought that up, how she reacted. And then what happened after that, which was a lot of things. I mean, they started going online. They started looking for sex clubs. They found one in Tennessee. They went to that sex club twice.

They did all kinds of things there. Talks about it. Gloryhole, sex in front of other people. They also then went to hotel takeovers. Two of those as well. And he goes through those exact experiences, exactly what they did. He talks about the fact that he is into being with guys and wants to try that. He told his wife that too. He's a very very very. honest guy, open honest with his girl. Now they're on Tinder, they plan on having him hook up with a guy. That's probably the first thing that they're going to do. She loves women liking him. He talks about that. But they're really sort of an interesting couple in that. They're kind of playing it safe, but not safe. I think the way they're doing it is such a great example of how a lot of other

couples who may be very leery about going out and actually hooking up with other people for one reason or another, you know, you could do what Richard and his wife are doing. They're playing it kind of safe, but not safe at all. You know, they're doing crazy, fun things, but they're not as hardcore as some of my other guests. And that's what I love about this story, because it's very different, but it's still super interesting. And I think it'll give a lot of very vanilla people hope because this was a very vanilla couple. Religious couple, okay? So, anyway, Richard did send me in Pecks.

He did also send his TikTok. He talks about the Thirstrap TikTok that he has set up. It's going to be a link to that. That'll be in the description. But anyway, I'm going to be right back on with Richard. Hi, Richard. Welcome to the Strictly anonymous podcast. Where are you today?

Good about yourself. I'm good. I feel like I say that to every single person. I've never changed it up. I know it's like five words, but I don't know. It's like the same fucking thing all the time. Listen, Richard, you're a guy. I think you have been with your girl since the dawn of time, your wife, you're married.

You guys have started to do all kinds of things. And I love newbie stories. I mean, you've kind of like tried a lot of different things. I don't know how hardcore you have been, but you have tried a lot of stuff. And you're definitely like a newbie couple that was like totally vanilla and went to the other side. And I think that that's always an interesting story because there's a lot of people that are, you know, like you were. I don't know how long ago. You know, when did you make that switch over to the lifestyle?

It's been probably three years now, two and a half years, something like that. Oh, two and a half, three years. But have you not, like, had actual hookups? Like, what's the deal? No, we haven't actually swapped with anybody yet. The furthest that we've ever gotten is parallel play, which I'm sure you already know what it is, but basically you have sex next to another couple in the same bed, but you don't actually interact with them at all.

Right, but what's interesting, and listen, I think that that's, like a really interesting concept for certain couples because like maybe there's couples out there and I think there's probably a lot of couples out there that might not want to see their partner with somebody else but they want to do kinky things you know so why not go to places where you can maybe fucking public do parallel play I know that you said you went to a glory hole don't tell me the details yet but like you know do kind of the naughty stuff that you hear all the people that talk on my show are doing but maybe don't cross the line and do it with other people but you're in the presence of other people right so you're a very

lawyer, you're an exhibitionist, you're doing all that kind of stuff, right, for the past three years. And I think that's like a good option for certain couples that maybe aren't into, like I said, going all the way. But let's go a little bit back before your three years. How long have you been with your wife? So we've been together for, I have to do the math real quick, 15 years almost. Okay. So a first marriage for both of you? Yeah, we're both in our mid-30s. So we met pretty young. When we met, we weren't even allowed to drink yet. You're kidding. You weren't of age.

But did you lose your virginities to each other? She did. I didn't. I had been with people previously before her. Oh, okay. So I was her first for pretty much everything, excluding like maybe a hand job or something. But even that, I think, wasn't too completion.

So I was kind of her first in every regard. Right. So you really married a virgin. And now she's doing glory holes with you, which is super interesting. So, you know, so you get married first girl. I mean, for her, it's like the first guy she dated, I'm assuming. You guys get married.

How and when? Well, I know when. It was three years ago. But like, how did the whole thing come up that you guys got it? Like, how did the whole lifestyle thing come up for you guys? Yeah. So for me, it's kind of interesting. We just both kind of one day we're talking and just kind of had this epiphany of like, let's stop pretending.

we don't find other people attractive and kind of lean into it rather than the normal, you know, oh, you're the only one I've ever had eyes for because, I mean, that's, that's great for fairy tales. But in reality, there's a lot of attractive people out there, right? So, well, listen, that's an interesting conversation to have because some people might not be able to handle that. And I'm not just saying just women. Like some men, if a woman said that to their guy, he'd be like, what the fuck you're looking at other guys? I mean, a lot of people couldn't handle that conversation. Who was the one that brought it up? Do you remember three? years ago like who brought that up first it was me it was like a weird guilt thing so we're both very

religious on church on sundays and i always joke around that if our friends knew what we were into they wouldn't be our friends anymore as bad as that sounds but it was one of those things where i don't know or maybe because you know they oh it's always the religious ones you know maybe they're doing the same shit you know yeah they just don't talk about it yeah you're all hiding but anyway go on sorry Yeah, so it was the good old-fashioned guilt, and it was just like, I was thinking it just felt silly. So I just kind of, let's just throw it out there and see what happens. And it's funny you mention that because in our relationship, she's not the jealous one. I am.

So even like when we first got married and up in years ago, really, I was kind of the jealous husband. I mean, not like, you know, you can't have guy friends and I'm going to beat up any guy that looks at you. but I was very, you know, I guess protective. At least my mind, that's what it was. And looking back, it's like, no, I was just insecurity. But you don't know that until you're out of it, right? So when we kind of got to that point, we had the conversation, I'm like, realized I was missing a whole bunch of conversations

that we could have been having for years that we enjoy all because of my own kind of insecurities. Did she try to bring up stuff over the time, though? Do you feel like, was she trying to bring stuff up? Like, why do you feel like there was missed opportunities before? Was she like the more like non-vanella one trying to get you to be into things? No, I think the missed opportunity was if I would have brought it up sooner, she would have been more comfortable with it sooner.

Because even like when we first kind of started talking about, there was a few guys obviously. Everyone has their few crushes, right, that she knew up top of her head. But now that we have kind of an open book situation, she can look at, you know, people that will say aren't the ones that, you know, fawn over immediately and go, oh, yeah, he's cute and kind of, get to like people rather than like the body taking control if that makes sense. Yeah, but I'm still kind of stuck on this crossover moment for you and for her because it's one thing to go to a partner.

And this is like actually your story is more interesting to me than somebody else's that I've heard like because I've heard a lot of people's story. And a lot of times it's like, hey, I have this fantasy of maybe like doing a DP or I have a fantasy of seeing you fuck someone else or something like your guy's conversation was very different. and especially coming from a guy who was always super jealous. So you were like this super jealous guy, but yet you were looking at other women and feeling like really guilty about having like feelings for them, like sexual feelings for them. Is that what happened to that made you want to sort of bring it up to her? Yeah, I mean, that's, yeah, that's pretty much exactly what it was.

And it was like, you know, I guess it was almost curiosity is like, am I, is there something wrong here that I'm, you know, not being dedicated enough? or is this like a normal, like are we both feeling it and we're just afraid to talk about it, right? Because there's both sides. There's the guilt side from being religious and there's the guilt side of your partner and you don't want to ever hurt them or ever make them feel like they're not. Number one priority, right? So it's a double-edged sword for sure. And even when we first started talking about it, it was a slow transition between, I mean, it's been three years, which is, in the grand scheme of things, is pretty short.

but we're not like one of those couples that went from talking about it to, you know, the face of the SLSS website or anything. It took some talking back and forth to even get to the point that we are. And, I mean, we're both happy with it. But just compared to some of the stories I've heard on your podcast, we're kind of turtle speed compared to some people for sure. No, but I don't mind that because I think that sometimes that kind of stuff is more relatable. You know, a lot of the hardcore stuff I think is maybe more of the minority.

already of people are going to go that extreme. And sometimes I really like to have people that aren't so extreme on because I feel like maybe it gives more people the opportunity to think, like, maybe they could do something like this too, you know, because it isn't so hardcore. Does that make sense? I think I didn't say it properly, but you know what I'm talking about. No, no, for sure. I'm still upset. I'm sorry, I keep going back to the moment. Like, I mean, imagine your girl two years before you brought up this conversation came to you and said, hey, babe, like, I'm starting to like be hot for other guys. Like, I'm wondering if you feel that someone. would you been would have been horrified i think that's like kind of a very scary thing to bring up to

another partner yeah it's it's i you know looking back now i want to say yeah of course i would have been okay with it but not a chance yeah you said you were that's what i'm saying it's so interesting that this guy that would have never been hand like that was like your biggest fear right was that that would go down i mean you were like a jealous guy now something that i talked about recently on my show is that most guys don't really use sex toys and I don't understand why they don't. Sex toys are super fun and so many guys who have called into my show talk about how using a sex toy to stimulate their prostate has led to them having a prostate orgasm, which they say, okay, is the best orgasm ever. And the good news is I know the best starter toy for you to use to start working.

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Or just go to the description, click on the link, and use my code strictly. Yeah, you said you were, that's what I'm saying. It's so interesting that this guy that would have never been hand, like that was like your biggest fear, right, was that that would go down. I mean, you were like a jealous guy, admittedly. Like I said, it's not just women that are jealous.

Guys are jealous too. A lot of people don't want to share their partners or think about their partners with other people or if they know their partner's jonesing for someone, they'd, it would rub them the very wrong way, right? It's on both sides. It's just so interesting that the one who was you,

who was the jealous one, wound up, you know, eventually like being the one to completely change the game because that conversation, like you said, you could have brought it up earlier, your girl was down. She very well could have like not been down and slapped you across the face.

Didn't what I'm saying? Like a lot of women were not like that. Yeah. How did you, Did you just know your wife enough to know, like, oh, this isn't going to be like a big deal breaker if I bring it up and she's not into it? Yeah, I think that's kind of ultimately there's enough trust there to know that even if she wasn't okay with it. It wasn't going to be like a knock down, drag out fight. It would have been like, you know, I'm not really comfortable with this and it would have stopped.

Right. And I think that's what made it happen for both of us is she knew that if she said I'm not comfortable with this, that would have just kind of been the end of the conversation, right? I'm not going to push her into doing something. she's not comfortable with, which I think helped with that conversation. Yeah, you knew, right, of course. You're both, like, really respected to those boundaries and stuff. Now, when she started copying to the people that she, like, was kind of into and you as well, were there any weird feelings about it, or was there, was it like a turn-on?

Like, how were those first initial conversations? Yeah, it's funny you say that because we kind of had this conversation between ourselves the other day. Yeah. And so recently, she's actually suggested, let's get on Tinder and just check out people on there. So we've been doing that, which is fun. But I realize I still have that jealousy. So I guess back to answer your question, the jealousy was still there, but it's actually more of a turn-on than it is like a pit in my stomach where I'm afraid she's going to leave me or anything crazy like that.

So we're actually using it as like a stimulant for sex rather than a negative emotion. And I think part of it too is our kids are getting older, which gives us more time together. And that's part of it too is I kind of cover her time, especially when the kids were younger. So to think to share it with somebody else was like insane to me. And now that we have a little more free time, a little more freedom, it's not as daunting to share, you know, some of her time on the phone or whatever talking to people or going places that have guys that we know that she has crushes on so she can flirt with them and stuff like that. And she's still working on that because that's a weird, you know, it's a weird concept to be with someone for that long and then them encouraging you to flirt with a guy, right? So she's been trying to kind of figure out flirting with people and all that. And I've been doing the same.

It's a lot easier said than done. Yeah, well, it's a little interesting to me. And maybe you should, like, I don't know, like, are you guys, like flirting and doing that stuff like in groups of people that you got are in your vanilla world or do you do the flirting and stuff when you go to. like a swingers club or an adult bookstore or someplace like that. I don't know. All the above, really. The people in the vanilla world were very careful, obviously, because if there are people that are running in the same church group as us, you can out yourself really easy and then you can get yourself in some trouble, right? And we actually have close friends that they know that we are, we call ourselves baby swingers

because we're not really, like we talk to the people and we flirt. And we go and do the stuff, but we're not actually singing or swapping, right? So they know that we're kind of in that baby swinger phase. Yeah. So she has a crush on him, coincidentally, too. But so she'll flirt with him and we'll hang out with him. And he kind of knows that there's the undertone there, which I think is a good, it's a good transition because, you know, they're in the vanilla world.

We know that there's no, nothing's going to happen there. But at the same time, she can kind of, you know, flirt and have fun. and there's no real, there's no tangible thing that's going to happen if it is successful, right? So it's a good practicing area. Right. It's safe. So let's get to the point where you guys start like venturing out. I don't know what that first venturing out is. Is it you guys going on an app? Is it you guys going to a swingers club? Because like you've been to a lot of different places. So, you know, why don't you go chronologically after that conversation? So after that, after that conversation, we actually started looking up sex clubs.

and I had been listening to podcasts because the transition from that conversation to the first time that we actually signed up for a website or anything was probably six months or so. And in the meantime, I had been listening to podcast and I had been doing some other stuff as far as, quote-unquote, research, if you will. And we actually found there was a club in Tennessee called The Red Room. And we had to sign up for their website in order to become like temporary members so we could go down there and basically use the facility. So we joined the website. We chatted a little bit with people, but it was really more going on there and just seeing what people were posting and kind of getting a feel for when we get there, you know, is it going to be what you see in the movies where people are just having sex everywhere and there's nudity and people are doing drugs and all this crazy stuff or is it going to be like a normal club? Yeah. Because, you know, listening to a podcast when they talk about it, it's vastly different than when you actually show up in person.

because one, the people in the podcast are experts, so they know what they're doing. And two, it's, you know, they're with their friends, which it just sets a whole different dynamic. But anyway, so we sent it for the website. We didn't really talk to anybody on there, and we just kind of went for it. So we went down there and went to the club. And so I actually picked that club because it had a glory hole there, and I had always wanted to try one. For as long as I can remember, you know, going back to teenage years, I don't know something about, that specific act was just so erotic to me.

So we actually found a club with it, which that was fantastic. No, well, now, are you at the club now? Is this going to get, or let's get to the point where you go to the red room, right? You're Googling, you find this place, it's got a glory hole. That's one of your kings. What were some of your girls' kinks, too, before we get into, like, what's going down at the red room? So we're actually still trying to figure that out.

She's self-proclaimed vanilla sex. So, and I mean, this is a whole different tangent, but I would say shortly before we had this conversation, we really just learned how to give her a proper orgasm. Okay. Up until then, you know, we had been doing the normal. No one taught you, you don't know what you're doing. We only learn stuff from porn. So it's like you just, you know, put it in and do what you can. And it's like, oh, okay, well, that wasn't bad.

And then I actually, I don't remember what podcast it was, but they recommended a book called She Comes First. and I listened to that audio book and I was like, we are doing this so wrong. And we implemented a lot of the stuff. We found a vibrator that she actually likes and used it correctly because she primarily can only have clitoris orgasms. So once we figured that out,

that was kind of like opening Pandora's box too. So she's still trying to master that part of all of it, her own orgasm at this point. So that book was a huge lifesaver. for us because like I said up until then we just thought you know okay well we just do it and it feels you know it feels good but it's not it's not the the big oh you see everywhere and then we figured that out it was like wow this is way more intense for both of us quite frankly you weren't having big os or it was more intense for you because your girl is coming right that's what you're saying

yeah it was yeah because that's always i mean for me it's always trying to make her you know have an orgasm, enjoy it. Just because I enjoy seeing her enjoy. And that's part of the reason that we started down this whole path was because the thought of her having another guy with me to pleasure her is a huge turn on for myself, which I'm sure isn't always the case. So yeah, when we got down to the Red Room, she really just was letting me kind of lead the path as far as what we were going to do

or what was going to happen. I mean, we had our restrictions. We knew that we weren't going to swap that night or hook up with anybody. or anything like that. But it was really just kind of. Like, what was it like when you got there? It was actually a better experience that I could have ever hoped for as far as the people there and the atmosphere and the cleanliness of the club.

We were obviously concerned, you know, with it being dirty and sleazy and all that. And it was, it was the opposite. So when we got there, they walked us around. They showed us what all the rooms were, where the people hang out, where the single males were. where the couples go, how to use the rooms, how to clean up after ourselves and clean up before. So it was, I mean, that was huge for us because we had no idea. I had a couple podcasts I had listened to and that was my entire knowledge on Swinger Clubs. Right.

So then we kind of hung out afterwards and everyone was super friendly. We didn't really meet anybody, but we weren't really trying to either. It was more about fulfilling that fantasy of the glory hole and having sex and friends. of people for the first time. Uh-huh. That was our big, our big step that night. So we did do the glory hole, which, like I said, was amazing. And that's her blowing you through it, right?

That's it. Yeah. Okay. And they actually have a female glory hole there, too, which is basically just the bottom half of the woman sticks out of the wall. Yeah. My girl, Erica, who comes on my show all the time, does that all the time. It's like they called the reverse glory hall, I think.

Yeah. So it was unexpected. but my wife actually said that she would be interested in trying it at some point. But I think that's like a lofty stretch goal for the future, not anything anytime soon. But it was unexpected just because she had never expressed any sort of kink or fetish stuff up to that point. So it was good for me because it was seeing that she was kind of, the gears were turning, right? We were making, we were both expanding our horizons and it wasn't just all about doing stuff for me. And listen, I mean, if she goes in that reverse glory hole, it's just you fucking her through it, right?

But she wasn't down for that either? No, she wasn't quite ready for it yet at that point. I don't know that she is down. Let's give your girl a lot of credit. You know, a lot of women, especially very vanilla women that marry the first girl, their virgins, even other women, they're not going to ever want to go to a swingers club with you. I mean, this woman's, your girl's like at a club with you. you know, giving you a blowjob through a glory hole. I mean, that's a great first big step, if you ask me. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, it was, like, at the moment, at the time, it was something

that in my mind just didn't even make sense because I never thought anything like that would ever happen, right? I mean, not even, not even just because I heard just in general, because it's that whole, that whole process is, like you said, it's a niche. There's not, not everyone's going to be down to go to the sex club and use a glory hole. No, and just like when you were. were listening, you were like on the other side, those people listening on the other side. So I think this is, this, all of this is like, they're like, wow, I wish my wife would do that. You know what I mean? Right. Even though it's not, like I said, going all the way. And even though she didn't go to that

reverse glory hole that time, you know, probably down the line, she'll feel more comfortable. But I think just going, uh, is huge. Now, did she, did you guys like get naked and fuck that time or just do the glory hole? Uh, the first time we just did the glory hole. Okay. There was people, um, sides. So watching her and watching me, which turns out I'm a huge exhibitionist. So for me, that was a huge turn-on in itself. What about your girl? She's indifferent. She said that she was okay with it, but it wasn't like a turn-on. It was more, she was turned on because it was turning me on rather than the actual being watched. Okay. All right. So that's your first experience. Yep. So then we actually, so we come home, we talk about how great it is. And,

the membership for that website lasted a few months, so we keep going on there, seeing people. What's the website? Is it my favorite SDC, the one that I always promote, or is it which one is it that you're wrong? No, it's actually, it's actually their website. Red Room has their own membership website, yeah. Okay. Which is kind of nice, because then it's all the people that are at the, or going to the Red Room specifically.

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it's a great tool for that for sure. Yeah, I agree. Okay, so now let me ask you this real quick before you get to the next experience. That night when you went home, did you have like really great sex where you both like charged up and horny? Were you like freaked out? I mean, what was that vibe between the two of you once you were out of the red room and back home? once we got back home it was definitely a lot more passionate i guess or a lot hotter for sure when we

first left i think she was kind of freaked out and just trying to process it all because there's a lot going on yeah for me i was like that was great like i was ready to go back the next night but yeah when we got back to the hotel room we yeah sex was definitely very very hot that now just the thought of it and all that that's what i would think So yeah, we come home and kind of, you know, mellow out for a few months. And then we actually end up going back down to Tennessee to the red room for a second visit. That time we ended up just having sex. And I shouldn't say just.

We ended up having sex in one of the rooms with the door open. And what they have is there's three things you can do. You can have the door closed. So it's do not enter. There's a velvet rope you can put up, which is you can watch, but you can't enter. or the velvet rope down door open, and it's come on in and just ask for consent before you touch me. Right. So we decided and agreed that we were just going to do the velvet rope.

People can watch, but we're not going to actually let anyone in the room, but we can enjoy them watching us. And that's when I really realized that the exhibitionism was a huge turn on for me, because seeing those people walk by and watch us have sex was like on a whole other level. Yeah, I can imagine. and were there a lot of people peeping in? Yeah, there was a decent amount. I mean, it was earlier in the night just because we're old, old at heart.

So it's like 10 o'clock, and we're like, okay, let's go back in the back room and have sex. And the club, like, people are still up front in their street clothes. I haven't even put their lingerie on yet. So, you know, if you go back at midnight or 1 o'clock in the morning, it's a lot different atmosphere. But even when we went back there at like 10, people were starting to kind of gravitate towards that area. And I think they do kind of seem like if people go back there, they get a little bit hyped up, they go out on the dance floor and they come back to that back area and finally have sex towards the end of the night. So yeah, we finish up that experience. Same thing,

go back to the hotel room. I feel like that weekend we just had sex all weekend. It was amazing and it was, you know, trying to make her have as many orgasms as possible. Obviously, her refactory period is a lot shorter than mine. So she didn't have to bounce back for as long after we finished. Right. But so yeah, then we came back to to where we're from. And we kind of started, I kept going down the rabbit hole more and more of podcast, listening to, you know, what they do, where they go. And because we like that atmosphere, the openness and the sexuality of going there and people are comfortable in their skin. They're okay with being naked.

They're okay with having sex with people around. It's just a, it's very inviting. It's intimidating, but it's inviting at the same time. Right. So we came back to where we're from and we started looking at hotel takeovers, which is, in our mind, is kind of like the next step because it's a party before the sex party. Yeah. So we found some locally maybe 30 minutes from our house.

We signed up for them and we've been to two of those now. The first one was interesting because we had never been to anything like that before. Right. So there was a lot of, you get there and people are already in their lingerie. they're dancing and drinking and partying. And it was almost like a rave, but then you get to have sex at the end of it. So that was interesting.

And us getting married so young and having kids so young, we never really did the party scene. Yeah. So it was interesting to kind of, it was how I imagine when you're 20 years old or 22 years old and you're going out partying with your buddies to the bar and you're going out to raves and all that stuff. It's kind of what I envisioned was kind of,

so it's like, oh, this is kind of cool because we get to experience this now, but we're older. So we can actually enjoy it. And, you know, we can, it's not as big of a deal because we don't have to, you know, we don't bounce back as easy. Let me ask you this. That time at that hotel takeover, did you guys like fuck in front of people again?

Or did you, what did you do at that the first time? Yeah. So we actually, they have a big play room and they had two of them. There was a big one that had a whole bunch of air mattresses that were kind of like a, quote-unquote orgy room. Uh-huh. You could have sex on a mattress and anyone can walk up and have sex on the mattress next to you. Touching is always has to be consensual no matter where you're at or what's going on.

And then they had a separate area that was for couples only, that they actually had like a bouncer there that wouldn't let you win unless you were a couple or if the guy was accommodated by a couple, then he was allowed back there. Okay. And they had separate mattresses with like sheer sheets, I guess, for black but better term hanging up. And basically you could have sex on those. and the idea is that no one's allowed to join you unless you invite them. So that's kind of where we went because we weren't quite ready for random strangers jumping on the bed next to us

and trying to figure out how to say if we're not interested or no touching and all that. We hadn't really found our voice to say no, so it was better to not present the opportunity. Yeah, I get it. Makes sense. Yeah, so we went to that back room and there was a lot of couples in there watching. And there was a lot of people that I think are just voyeurs that enjoy going to those rooms and watching and not even having sex. But it was kind of nice because it was like having our own audience. It was, yeah, it was kind of surreal, really, because it's not something you typically do, right?

You don't normally have people watching you have sex. So it was interesting. Yeah. Well, especially for you now that you know you're an exhibitionist, that's like kind of top of the mountain, right? Like you got your whole audience there. Probably a lot more people that at the Red Room, right, this time? oh yeah for sure yeah and it's funny because I'm not really a voyeur I don't it's not that I don't like watching people have sex it just doesn't it doesn't really turn me on I'm not I'm not pornography's

never really been my thing either yeah it's just something about it's like I'd rather do it it and watch it yeah that's interesting but you're an exhibitionist everyone's something you know or nothing I don't know I don't think anyone's nothing but everyone has their own like their own thing like there are things that they're into right exhibitionism is definitely your thing but you're not a voyeur. Some people are like both. Some people are just voyeurs, not exhibitionisms. You know, it's everyone's different. Right. Yeah. And all this depends on what you're into. Yeah. And now you're figuring it out. So go on. So that, and the backtrack on that night, we actually found they had a guy that did fire play there. I don't know if you ever heard of fireplay before or not. I think I have,

but like, what was he doing with the fire? So my, my wife, I didn't want to do it. I was too afraid that he would set my chest hair on fire or something. So I was like, you do it, and now I'll hold your clothes. So basically she strips down naked and lays on this massage table. And he rubs her down with, I don't know if it's rubbing alcohol. It's something that's flammable, but prevented her from getting burned. Yeah. And he rubs her down and he would like set her on fire, basically.

Wow. And it would like light up. And she said it was awesome. She said it felt really cool because you can feel the warmth, but it doesn't actually hurt. Yeah. And then he did cupping with it. too, and she loved it. She, like, was jello when she got done.

And I don't know if it was necessarily erotic for her, but it was so relaxing. I think it kind of mellowed her out for the rest of the night. It was like going to a really good massage. You're just kind of just enjoying the atmosphere. So it was cool that we got, she got to do something new that she really enjoyed that was just for her that same night, too. Yeah, she's figuring it out what she's into, too. Yeah, we haven't attempted that one. I don't want to burn our house down, so we'll leave that to the professionals.

Yeah, I don't recommend doing it in your bedroom. So, yeah, we went to that first hotel takeover, and we met some people, same thing. They had a website set up. We met some people through there, and we met them there and chatted for a little bit, but that was kind of the end of it. We never really, we didn't hook up with any of them, and none of them were even in the room when we played that night. We had a group chat with them, like a four-way text message chain,

just kind of, I guess, flirting and sending pictures and talking and stuff, but nothing ever came of it. So then we enjoyed that one, so we decided to do a second hotel takeover, same location, same company, same idea. We met some friends through there and chatted for a little bit. And then when we got there, we actually ended up hanging out with them pretty much the whole night. And then we actually, that's the couple we parallel played next to.

So we got towards the end of the night, and it was kind of funny because it was, you know, They had been to, it sound like dozens of swinger events. They had done swaps and all that fun stuff, but they had never played parallel play or played at all, actually, out in like an open environment. Oh, interesting. It was their first time ever playing in the Orgy Room. So it was, everyone's cherry was getting pop that night, right?

Because it was their first time doing that. It was our first time doing parallel play. So it was interesting. It was fun, though. We had definitely enjoyed it. yeah that so what i mean what it what was enjoyable about like what what was hot for you in that situation was it because you say you're not a voyeur but did you enjoy look seeing those people having sex next to you was it the fact that they're watching you while they're getting it on

like you know how is it different because you had an audience before right but this is the first time you have like a couple fucking next to you so what was what was that like and what about it was like the turn on yeah yeah yeah i would say it was it was them watching us very directly, right? Because when it's an audience and they're watching kind of the room, you know, several couples and they're kind of just watching everybody, but them being next to us and intently watching us and then it's, we're essentially they're porn, right? So it's watching them get off on watching us. It was, yeah, it was a huge turn on for sure. Just see, you know, see them in her orgasm while she was watching us have sex. Right. And is your wife orgasming

during these times? No, she has to have her her little friend, yeah. She could bring it, you know, I think people bring toys to clubs, you know, it's not that rare. Oh, yeah. We always take it. We always take it. It's just

she has a very hard time when she starts drinking. And usually at these events, you know, she'll have a couple of drinks to loosen up. And then once that happens, she's numb. She's like, yeah, and we can get there if we're at home and she can focus and all that stuff. But she's, I don't want to spend 45 minutes or an hour just working on me, just to not have it happen. I'd rather just enjoy what we can do and just be done with it.

Right. So it's one of those like, you know, I think it's a mind over matter at this point, which is fine. It's, if she's not ready for it, I don't want to push her because I feel like a bad experience, you know, spending an hour trying to make her orgasms just going to kind of sour the waters a little bit. No, I mean, she'll get there in her own time. You know what I mean?

I think, you know, I don't know. Eventually maybe she doesn't, she shouldn't drink so much. So it wouldn't be so hard. You know what I mean? Right. Right. But you also like, like first of all, I just want to go back to something because I know you like put her on TikTok or you do some sort of thirst stuff and you do like sharing

your wife with other people right and seeing people comment. But I know that. So actually that's that's my TikTok, not hers. Oh, it's you. You're you. Yeah. Oh, okay. We'll get to that.

So, and I was going to circle back to the jealousy stuff a little bit. because I forget how it even came up. I think it was, you know, her watching videos of masks. She really likes the smut books, you know, the masked man and, you know, breaks into someone's house. And, you know, she has multiple lovers and all that crazy stuff. She loves, she's just recently got into those probably, I'd say it's probably about three years ago, probably shortly before we started talking about all this stuff, actually. Interesting.

Yeah, so it all kind of, it was a quick success. session, I guess, as far as that stuff goes. But we got down this rabbit hole of her watching these TikToks and stuff, and it kind of popped in the head. I'm like, well, I'm like, I can do this. And she was kind of turned on by the idea of me

essentially making videos and putting them on line and her finding them. It was like setting up our own little version of like the masked man romance, right? Some lady starts commenting on a guy's TikTok and he finds her and, you know, comes to do

house uninvited and bordering. It's not really CNC because it's consensual, but it's, I guess, forced proximity would probably be a better way to put it. No, but consent, non-consent is like, it's a non-consensual fantasy, but it's consented to beforehand. So I think it's exactly what you're talking.

That's at CNC, right? Because she wants to pretend that, or no, well, you're not like taking her, right? Is that what it is? She actually wants to be with the guy she sees on TikTok, right? Yeah, exactly. It's like, you know, when someone finds someone in TikTok. I would just love.

Okay. Yeah, that's kind of like stranger sacks. She wants to like fuck a stranger. Yeah, basically. Like, yeah, man, you know, this guy's so hot, I wish he would just show up to my house one day. And then essentially I do, right? It's obviously a lot more scripted than that just because we live together.

We have to plan things out. But it was just a way for her to live out of fantasy that I guess most people wouldn't get to. Yeah. And it was, it's kind of funny because it, I mean, it's not a huge account. There's not tons of people following it or anything. But it blew up way more than we ever thought it would. Oh, really? So, and it, yes, yeah.

Just, I think the other day I just hit 10,000 followers. Yeah, that's a lot. I mean, how many views you get? It's not huge, but. No, but how many views you get on your TikToks? It's just a normal video if I don't really spend too much time editing and stuff. I'll get like three to four thousand views. Yeah.

I have a couple that have gotten up to, like 50,000 or 150,000. Yeah, so you're doing it's solid. That's solid. Yeah, I enjoy making it. I mean, I, you know, she likes reading the comments that the other women leave. Yes, that's what I wanted to get to. Because I remember in your email, you did say, and I was thinking, oh, maybe, you know,

when the couple's fucking next to you, she's, like, looking to see if the wife is looking at you because your wife does have a thing where she, like, is into guys, other women and lusting after you, correct? Yeah. But it's more so through the TikTok. Yeah, through the TikTok. That's what made her realize she's into it? Yeah, exactly.

It was, when I first made it, it was one of those, I mentioned it, and then I was like, I'm just going to do it. And then luckily, she was okay with it, because that could have went sideways to. I had mentioned it to her before I made the TikTok, but then we never really had, like, a real conversation about, like, are you okay with it? so on, so forth.

I just, well, I told I was going to do it. I'm going to do it. And I just started sending her the videos. And it turns out that was actually a turn on for her. So that worked out because that was a little risky on my part. Yeah, but she was into it. And she's got an imagination. She likes to roleplay the whole thing.

Like you guys have set up scenes where you really get into character and everything. And you're like the guy on TikTok, that's a stranger that comes over and comes over to the house and fucks her. We try. I'm not very, I'm not a good actor. No? That's the worst when you're role playing with someone they can't stay in character. Yeah, it's, you know, I try. It's just, it's hard not to, not to chuckle or something. And then it kills it. You're like, dang it. I wasn't supposed to laugh. I'm sorry. I'm serious. Yeah, it is acting. It is acting. And acting's harder than you think.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So we kind of, we do the short version. If we do it now, it's easier to kind of already in the bedroom and just put the mask on and walk in the, bedroom rather than trying to do the whole like chich chatting and everything yeah we haven't really gotten we haven't gotten that elaborate just because with the kids around and neighbors don't need neighbors calling the police because there's a guy in a mask room of neighborhood

oh my god I know I once had a caller on who was like into he was a black man and he met a couple that was into like a race play and they wanted to do a whole CNC scene where they wanted this guy him to like break into their house and like fuck her and I was like

oh my God, like that was so dangerous. If the cops saw or like their neighbor was just like walking their dog and saw some guy who, you know, jumping through the window, you know, it's like you got to be careful. Yeah, yeah, she must have been really attractive. I know I've done some stupid things for attractive women. But wait, so now your girl knows she likes other girls to lust after her. Now I know that you like to think of your girl with other guys. Has she ever thought to, like, go online and do stuff?

Or do you share her picks online so that guys could lust after her? Like, how are you getting your fill in that area? So I don't share her pictures online. She's not comfortable with sharing nudity online, which I can understand. She's worried, you know, if someone's going to figure it out. Yeah, of course. Share it on Facebook or something, which I obviously am not okay with that, right? I don't want to be outed by anybody either.

So actually, the other day she decided, or, mentioned that she wanted to download Tinder and try using Tinder as a platform to basically find guys that she finds attractive and then at some point when we get comfortable with it, you know, message and see where it goes from there.

Now what are those conferences? Okay, you downloaded it. Yeah, yeah. We both downloaded it and we both made our own profile. And something I haven't mentioned, you guys, I'm actually by or by questioning, I guess. I'm kind of one of those people that I'd rather do something and regret it.

and then realize it was a bad decision afterwards, then not do it, and then regret it in 40 years when I'm on my deathbed. Yeah, I like that. So for me, the buy experience is like, let's try it. And if I don't like it, I'll try it one more time just to make sure I don't like it. And then it turns out I'm not buying, but I don't know yet. We haven't gotten to that point. But she knows this.

She knows this. Yeah. Okay. How did she feel when you told her? I don't know if role plays. She actually was excited about it. Oh, love that. I didn't expect. I kind of thought it was, because it's, as a guy, it's scary, right, to admit to anybody, even your spouse or you trust that you're questioning if you're bisexual or not.

Yeah. Well, could you just tell me, like, when you brought that up in this story, like, was it around the same time when you brought up, like, being attracted to other people? Or did you always know you were kind of into guys and told her this? Like, when did that come up in conversation? Honestly, I don't even remember. It wasn't during that initial conversation. It was one of those. things that I mentioned it, I think almost in passing, not even realizing that I was mentioning it. And then she was like, what? Yeah.

And kind of did a deep guy. But honestly, until we got to a point when we were talking about it, I wasn't even, I didn't even know that I was interested in trying it until we kind of started talking about it. I'm like, you know what? They actually sound super hot. Yeah. It's one of those, as like I said, as a guy, you just kind of press it down and you try to, you know, try to pretend like all that stuff's not there.

and then one day you're like, oh, hmm, maybe I am into that. Yeah, no. So what about your wife? Has she expressed any interest in women as well? Does she know if she might be by or is she just into you being maybe a little by? She's only into me being by. She's not by at all. She, you know, we'll appreciate a beautiful woman and she said that, you know,

if we ever got to a point where we were swapping or something, she'd be interested in like playing with someone's tits or something just because, you know, they're, they feel good and they're nice, but as far as making out with a woman or going down on a woman, she's not interested. And I don't think she's even interested in a woman doing that to her. Like, she doesn't want to be a pillow princess either. Uh-huh. I think she's just, they're okay to look up and not to touch kind of scenario. Yeah.

So wait, now, okay, this is where you guys are at now, right? Like, you definitely want to have that experience. Now, is something like you hooking up with a guy more likely to have, you? happen before, you know, you, you, you hooking up with a woman or her hooking up with a man? Or do you think you guys sort of crossing the line and hooking up with other people, it'll all come at the same time? Like, what do you think is next? I think me hooking up with a guy is probably the next, the next step.

It's hard. She threw a curveball at me with the Tinder thing. I wasn't expect, I'm happy about it for sure. But I wasn't expecting it. So when she said that, I'm like, oh, okay, we're changing the narrative a little bit here. So the Tinder thing, yeah, that threw. you for a loop. Now, do you think that she's ready to maybe hook up with other guys? Like, where's her head out? I think it's fun. I think she finds it fun to fantasize about kind of

lust over guys and tell me what she's into and maybe DM somebody just to kind of flirt, but I don't think she's ready for that next step. Uh-huh. But you think that she would be down to allow you and she's open to you being with a guy in front of her or not with her? Like what have you guys discussed it like like specifically? Oh yeah. Yeah. It's one of our our bedroom talks. She really enjoys talking about it.

So right now it's kind of where we're standing on what we think would happen is we would find a even if it was a couple, it doesn't really matter if it's a couple or a single guy, but a buy mail that basically I can. could hook up with give a blow job, receive a blow job, hand job, all that fun stuff. And she would help me and quote unquote coach me through it kind of because I've never done it, right? So she kind of wants to be like the put the dick in my mouth and show me how to do it. And kind of like a, I guess I don't know how to explain it as far as, I don't know if there's a sexual term for it, but I guess like a mentor.

Yeah. You want someone. So that, yeah, go on. Sorry. You are like the virgin in this story. So it's like someone's going to be taking your virginity, your mentor. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

So, yeah, that's kind of where we're at now. I mean, we have a couple guys that we've talked to or a couple that we've talked to that are by males that are interested. But we just haven't, hasn't worked out yet. And we're not pushing too hard because we want to make sure we're really ready for it. Because that's a big, it's a big turning point for her and for me, right? So you want to make sure everyone's kind of in the right head space. Right, but that sounds, listen, but that's definitely happening. I mean, that's a done deal.

It's just a matter of like when it's going to happen, but it's already agreed upon for sure. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, that's exciting for you considering that's like something really on your bucket list that you didn't want to never experience. You know, it'll be interesting how you feel after you try it. You're going to have to update me. Yeah, it would be, yeah, I'm sure there'll be some mixed emotions. There's some, you know, deep-rooted stuff that you have to contend with with that stuff.

So like I said, I'd rather do something and regret it than not do it and then not know if I would regret it or not. Listen, I talk to a lot of people on the other side of those experiences. And I love asking them, like, like right before you did that, whether it's like Suck a Dick or Peggy Guy or see their partner with the person of the same sex and they didn't know how they feel, they thought they were going to feel a certain way. You know, a lot of times, you know, they feel nothing. that they thought they would feel and they didn't experience it at all the way they imagined. You know what I mean? And they felt very different. So you really don't know. You don't know that you're not going to do it and feel like, oh, this is great or I don't like it and feel no issues at all about anything else. I mean, maybe it will be this experience that you think where you feel like it might be like, oh, you enjoyed it, but you have some feelings about it because of the stigma and all that kind of stuff. But maybe not. You don't know until you try it. But you'll have. have to like report. Yeah, there's only one way to find out. Yeah, that's how you're going to find out. But I'm just saying like a lot of times when I ask people, like, would you have ever expected that you would feel this way or did you think you were going to feel a different way? And a lot of times it's like

they, they expected to feel a totally different way and they didn't. But the best way to find out is to go and try because, you know, you don't, you can't read, like you don't have a crystal ball. You don't know your future, you know, you're just assuming that you're going to feel a certain way, but you might not, which is, so it'll be interesting. You're going to find out. soon because like I said, this is actually in the book. So I feel like that's kind of exciting. It's a very big step. That's the first step. I think eventually your girl, you know, we'll get comfortable maybe being with other people. Does she have any interest seeing you with another girl? I don't want to say no as like a hard and fast. No, it's, I don't think

she's super interested in it. But at the same time, she would be okay with it in the regard of like, hey, we're swapping. But I don't think she wants to watch me with another girl. that explanation made sense. Uh-huh, yeah, I get it. So besides you being with the guy, is anything else like greenlit yet, or is it everything else still just like you're doing the TikTok fantasy roleplay and just the buy stuff that's coming up? Yeah, that's really the only thing that are, I guess, for certain right now are kind of

we plan on doing. I think we're getting a lot closer to the MFF scenario too. She seems a lot more on board after, you know, kind of. of realizing that it's okay to want to do stuff like that and kind of transition into what we're doing now. And I think the by play will definitely lead into something more of that along those lines. Yeah. Yeah, I love it. I love your story. Go on. Her, I don't say her smut books help a lot. She's reading one right now that's three guys, it's a reverse harem. So it's three guys and one girl. And it has all the typical, you know, three guy or two guy things,

spit roasting and DP and DP and all the dual blow jobs and all that crazy stuff. And I think now that she's kind of down the path of allowing herself to sexually open up, reading those books are a lot more erotic than reading it from a lens of, well, she only be with one guy. So she seems a lot more turned on by it than I thought she would be, which for me is good because that's another thing that leads into the whole wanting her to be able the orgasm and enjoy it and much pleasure as possible kind of that compersion. Having another guy there to basically, I know there's going to be selfish parts where it's the

guys who are getting pleasure, but not entirely for her, but the idea is that it's for her pleasure and we're basically just sex toys for her to use for whatever she sees fit. Yeah, listen, that's straight out of her book, okay? The book that she's reading, that's going to be the fantasy come true. You know, I think it's so interesting that she's doing that and going to those places and let it, like, creatively being open to, like, those kinds of scenarios. It's, uh, I love that. That's like her porn. Yeah, for sure. She's, yeah, the smut is definitely her porn. Yeah, I love it. I love your story. Listen, I think that your story is, uh, really, uh, I, like I said, I, I will always welcome stories of couples that aren't so hardcore.

for because I think that sometimes those stories are even more relatable because I think at the end of the day, even though my show is all about people that are doing these really crazy things. It's not the majority of people out there, right? Majority of people out there are most likely vanilla people, you know, but I'm here to say that tons of people are out there doing all these kinds of other things, you know. But for the vanilla people, I think stories like yours is, is, you know, are great because it gives them sort of an idea that like it gives them like a, uh, another idea of what they could do. Like, you don't have to go maybe all the way. Maybe you could be swingers light or whatever you called yourself, you know, baby swingers. You know, maybe you don't have to become full-fledged swingers. I had another couple on ones that they, all they do is full, as like, you know, parallel play. And I think they recently did like a very, very soft swap. But that's how they enjoy themselves, you know, and I love that episode too because

I thought it was very relatable in a different sort of way. And then a great idea for other people that maybe you could experience a lifestyle in this way. And, you know, if you're not comfortable. going all the way. But I have a feeling your guys are definitely going to be going all the way eventually. So you'll have to keep me posted, Richard. But thank you so much for calling in. Does your wife know you're calling in? Yeah, I told her that I was going to call and talk to you. Okay, great. So listen if you...

I don't keep a whole lot of secrets from her. I like that. No, no, no, I love that. If you said, you didn't tell her, I would be, I would have been shocked. You don't seem like that type. You seem very open and honest kind of guy. So I love that she knows if you want to send me in picks of you and her for my Patreon anonymous picks, that's cool. I will give you free access for a month when your episode airs so you can see the comments. And then I'll also give you free access to my Discord, which is super fun. It's a private place. People only get in it through my Patreon, but I'll give you free access to it and you could post in there as well. Okay, perfect. And I don't know if I sent it to you already, but I can send you a link to the TikTok too just so you can,

when you're putting this all together, you can say, oh, this is what they were talking about. Yes, I love that. If you've gotten down the mass talk or heard about it before, but it's a whole thing on TikTok. So it's not just me. There's thousands and thousands of guys that are doing it. It's crazy. That would send me your link, okay?

Because we talk to you. I'm going to put it in the description. So anyone driving, don't worry. I'm going to put a link to that mass of TikTok thing. I'm curious, but I'll post that too as well. So send me that stuff sooner than later. Okay. Richard, and thanks so much for calling in.

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