Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1187 - Justin is Into Guys, MMF Threesomes and Hotwifing with his Wife and More

Episode Date: August 5, 2025

Justin into guys, mmf threesomes and hotwifing with his wife and more and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear him discuss all the details including his experience at the doctor and how that triggered his interest in guys, the male co-worker he wound up hooking up with and exactly what went down between them, the first guy who topped him and exactly what went down, how he met his current wife and when she found out he was into guys and how she reacted, their first threesome with a girl and how and why he couldn’t perform, how he’s not into being with chicks and how his wife feels about it, the Dom they met their first mmf threesome with him and what went down, how and why his wife was totally into it, the second time they went back to meet the guy and why it wasn’t ideal, their experience at Bi-F*ckfest and exactly what went down, their foray hotwife experience and how it went for him, how and why they’re don’t plan hook ups anymore, the rules they have with each other, the gloryhole experience they had on their wedding night plus a whole lot more. **To see HOT pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712  Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed.  Sponsors:  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://viia.co/STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Try VIIA and use code STRICTLYANON for great SEX and sleep ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://butterwellness.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Use the code “STRICTLY” at checkout for 20% off your entire order ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://liferx.md⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Start your transformation now and get $50 OFF your first month, use code: ANONYMOUS ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://vb.health⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To get 10% off Load Boost and Drive Boost by VB Health use code: STRICTLY ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Get your first month of the new Blewchew Max FREE! use code: STRICTLYANON ⁠https://beducate.me/pd2524-anonymous⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Use code: ANONYMOUS to get 50% off your yearly pass plus get a 14-day money-back guarantee  Follow me! Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Everything else ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcas⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Okay, today I have on Justin. Justin's cool because he could hang with me, kind of making fun of him, but, you know, he has this whole story and I don't know why, and you're going to have to tell me. I'm so curious what people say when they listen to this episode because for some reason I was very confused by a lot of the things that he was talking about.

He does have an interesting story. I mean, he starts off with two stories of how he got in to like guys and stuff. Like he's done some stuff with guys. And he talks about these two stories that happened to him when he was younger that kick it off. Those were very good stories. And then he winds up meeting a woman who he's with now. And they sometimes they hot wife and sometimes she watch them fuck guys.

You know, fuck guys. And sometimes they fuck guys together. And that's where it starts to get a little confusing. I don't know. I talked about being confused a lot. I think I said to him, I added an extra layer of entertainment because you will hear me in one of my moods. But I think it's kind of funny.

He's cool, though, okay? I think I said on the episode, like, you kind of have, like, it's like a deconstructed, deconstructed story. Like, you know, when you see a chef make a deconstructed, deconstructed meal? Well, this is like a deconstructed story. At least to me it was. And I don't know if it's my fucking ADHD or his fucking ADHD. But I'm curious if other people are as confused as me.

He does have a lot of good stories, like I said. I mean, he literally at the end remembers that he forgot to tell me that his wife, like, was in a glory hole gang bang and had sex with a trans woman in front of him on their wedding night. He waited all the way to the end to tell me that. But he did tell me that and he told me a lot of other stories. He's been there, done that. So have both of his wives. He's going to talk all about it.

He just talks about it to me in a confusing way, but it's interesting. So you have to listen and give me your two sons on Spotify. You could leave comments on Spotify. It's fun now. I love to see the comments there. comment there about Justin, okay? But anyway, it is an interesting story regardless. So I'm going to be right back on with Justin. Hi, Justin. Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. How are you today? Hey, Kathy, doing good. So listen, Justin, you're like a guy. You have like two things that seems like going on.

Like you have like buy experiences and stuff. And then you also have a wife and you guys play around and you were getting her like bulls. And then she didn't like a plan. So now you just like kind of get guys for her or something. I don't really know. So you got like a hot wife. you're a bye guy. Are those, is that correct, two different things going on? Yeah, pretty much. I mean, it's kind of like two separate things to get their own like timeline, but. But let me ask you this. Does your wife know about your by side? She knows everything. That's, yeah, I divulge that, like in the very beginning. That's like one of the things I used to, you know, I was just at a point in my life where I'm like, you know, I'm going to tell all. Right. Was it your second marriage? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard.

that before a lot of times second third marriage or when a guy's turn 50 not a midlife crisis more like you know sick of like sort of living a double life why not do it over again and do it the right way so let's go though all the way back because eventually you do start hot wiping with this wife that you're with now but the first wife that you were with were you like doing guys behind her back and stuff no it's actually it took kind of a a big break except for a couple of incidences that were behind her back and that was kind of in the initial stages of be trying to learn like who i was and stuff like that and oh my god what just happened those two things happened behind the first wife's back and i did play around with guys behind the first wife's back two times two times but it was

serendipity it wasn't like something i planned i didn't go looking for it just popped into me. Now, the first story, that's the crazy one. Okay, so I was 22 years old, and I was in ROTC at university, and I had to get a physical or something. So I can barely remember what the physical was all about, but I went to this doctor's office, and I went inside, got in the room, got on the table, not thinking much about it. I think I was in, like, gym clothes or something like that, and the doctor comes in, and he says to me, he's like, hey, I need you to go down to your skivies.

That's underwear. But go down to your skivies and stand in the center of the room. I didn't have skivis. I just had no underwear and I rarely wear, wore underwear. And so what I did was I just went to the center of the room completely naked and feeling kind of vulnerable. But at the same time, this doctor starts kind of touched me all over the place. And I pop a boner.

and I'm aroused by this older guy. I'm standing in front of him. It's kind of like this vulnerable, you know, I don't know. It just was just kind of weird for me, but I was getting aroused by it. But I had the boner, and I remember him kind of looking at me and smirking. And from that instance, too, I, you know, started thinking things in the back of my mind. And after that experience, I remember going out to the car being so aroused that I, I ended up beating off in the car and having an amazing cum orgasm.

You're a bisexual exhibitionist. So now, yeah, so now you're like in your head about guys. That was the first time, though, you ever thought about it? It was one of those things, nothing happened, but it was in my head. But I soon then just kind of put it out of my head. Okay. There's other things in life going on and stuff like that. But it wasn't until about six years later.

It was like 28 or so. I was on this business trip. They sent us to Nashville. I got to Nashville, and it's kind of a sales type thing. And there was like one other guy and one other girl in my group, and nothing, not thinking of buy anything or what, but we're all staying in the same hotel. And me and the guy decided to go to the Hard Rock Cafe downtown Nashville

and had dinner and stuff like that, had drinks, went and saw the local music. We were walking into a bar, and I remember the guy saying something to me When we were inside the bar, mind you, we got probably, you know, eight drinks and this or something. And he said something like, man, that guy that, you know, took her, the guy at the door or somebody like that. Yeah, he was, he's pretty hot. I'm like, what? Did I hear him right? Oh, my God.

Okay. Put that one in the back of my mind. Fast forward through the night. Later on, we get a cab. We're going back to the hotel. And in the cab, I just kind of got that feeling like, okay, I heard him say this. I noticed he's kind of got that look on his face. And I'm not with my wife.

I'm, you know, in Nashville. No one's around. It's just being him and stuff. And we get, we get back up to the hotel. And I think he's like just down in the hall or something like that. And I said, so what are you doing? He's like, no, I'm probably just watch some TV go to bed. And I'm like, you want to come down, watch some TV in my room?

So I'm promoting this thing. Not having really any idea of anything, but I just, I knew in the back of my mind. I'm like, this might be something. come out of this. I don't know. Yeah, normal guys, I'm sorry, but normal guys don't invite other guys to come to their room to watch TV together, do they? Well, I mean, normal guys, what's normal? I don't, yeah, well, I don't know. No, I'm just saying, have you, did you ever on a work trip invite a guy into your room to watch TV? Okay, so. No, unless it's a fucking hookup. Well, well, right. And I'm, mind you, I haven't had any gay experience or anything like that. Sounds like you're about to have one. Yeah, well, we get to the room. I throw on and now I'm, I made it sound earlier like when I was talking to him that I was talking normal or something like that.

We're both hammered. Oh, okay. Even more that you're going to hook up. Huh? Even more so that you're going to hook up, not just watch TV. I didn't know. And, you know, I'm nervous. I don't know how to initiate anything, but I kind of feel that vibe going on and getting to the hotel room.

room and some reason I can't even recollect. I mean, I'm 54 now, but I look back at that age, and I can remember big pieces of it, but not to a T. We're in, like, he's in, it's a double bed. He's in the other bed. I'm in my bed. And we're watching that Tommy Lee, Pamela Anderson porn. It was in your hotel room?

In my hotel. What? You could DVR at? Well, there's a hotel, DVR. We're in a hotel. There's a BBR. What is it on a laptop or the TV? Like, how do you get it on your TV?

No, it's on TV. Like, you buy it by porn on TV or something. So it was for sale that on the TV on the TV? I'm like Judge Judy. I just want to make sure you're telling the fucking truth because I'm like, how you got and Tommy and Leigh and Pamela Anderson on your TV. You could buy that on like regular porn, like on a regular, a real porn thing? I swear to God a stack of Bibles.

I am not lying. That is what we watched. I don't remember how we did it. Okay. How we purchased it. Okay. Go on. We're talking late 90s.

No, no. People are going to write into me and say, Kadi, this is how we're this can't happen. But anyway, go on. Well, anyway, it did. But that's not even the gist of the story. So anyway, we're watching it. Well, shit.

Maybe in my mind I was watching it and we're watching something else. I don't know. But I'm pretty sure it was the time of you think. And for some reason, well, not for some reason. I look over and he's under the covers. And it's like he's beating off and I'm beating off too. Yeah, exactly. And at one point, I just got kind of, kind of the wild hair at my ass,

threw the covers open and I just said, and I looked over and I said, hey, man, I'm sorry, I just, I got to knock one out. And he's like, no, that's fine, that's fine. I could look over, I remember looking over at him and he's steering right at me, beating off. And then after probably two, three minutes, you know, I just said to him, I was like, hey, you want to come over and suck it? And he jumped, I mean, nothing faster, just jumped right over.

the bed in between my legs and he just starts and so right there's like the first adult experience where I got somebody actually giving me head and yeah it was it was different you know all of a sudden scratching us to the beard but I was like wow that's weird you know it's a guy doing but did you blow him no I didn't I wasn't I'm not see that spot yet so he's doing that and I mean probably within two minutes yeah I come all over I come all over I come all Then I don't remember really what happened after that outside of I remember laying in bed and you know how you're kind of drunk but you're kind of having like you wake up a little bit and you go back. I remember waking up and he's got the covers off of me and he's crawling in. And so I don't know, but it might have went a little further than I remember with him laying next to me.

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I don't remember really what happened after that outside of, I remember laying in bed and you know how you're kind of drunk, but you're kind of having like you wake up a little bit and you go back. I remember waking up and he's got the covers off of me and he's crawling in.

And so, I don't know, but it might have went a little further than I remember with him laying next to me, but I don't consciously remember it. Then all of a sudden, I'm waking up. Getting in the shower, remember looking at myself in the mirror from the bathroom going, what the fuck did I do?

Right. Yeah. And so then I carried that for a little while. Actually, it was weird to because then I went, And then the day we're in the office trying to make sales calls or something like that. He would barely talk to me. Of course. Like, yeah.

Well, what the hell did I do wrong? Did you want to talk to him? It wasn't that you did anything wrong. He just, your cock was in his mouth the night before. You guys are work buddies. It's a little bit, you know, it's a secret. Some people are, it's hard for them to like pretend that something just didn't happen. When you walk in there like everything was normal and it wasn't weird to see him the next day?

Come on. It was. But, I mean, I have a lot of stuff going on my mind, too. to myself, well, no, I know I'm not gay because I love women, but what the fuck? I just did that. That throws me in some sort of category. Okay. So that was my first actual, except for like, you know, when you're a kid and, you know, everyone talks about doing like to experiment. Yeah, we don't care about that stuff. Move on. You've got two good stories here now. We obviously know you're kind of into, turned on by guys for some reason. Yeah. No, now, mind you, I'm going to preface it. I don't have this

like idea of dating guys like I want to hang around them. It's just a sexual thing. I'm sure you've heard that a million times. Yeah. You say in the early days when guys would call in like you and be like they would say even more like they would say even this. They'd say like, I don't want to date guys. I'm not even interested in guys. But like I sucked a dick. You know what I mean? And I would be like, well, obviously you're into guys because the dick is on a guy and you're so you're like the dick. So you're into guys. But then eventually after talking to so many guys like you, I eventually had a guy on. who cleared it all up and talked about how... He cleared it all up. Yeah, Dr. Court. He cleared it all up. Dr. Joe Court. Come on. You got to listen to his fucking episode.

Oh, I think of him. He went viral on TikTok because he taught aside, you know, a guy could suck a dick and not be gay and not even be by and not even be into guys. Exactly. It's just your difference between the sexual orientation and your erotic orientation. Erotic orientation means that you are the type of guy when your dick is hard. and you are like feeling fucking horny. If a dick is there, you might suck on it because that's, you're in the mood. It's like there and it's while it's happening.

But it doesn't mean anything more than that. And that's very different than your sexual orientation. Thank you. Yeah, because actually, you know, fast forward probably when I got to be, I think it was about 42 or so. Yeah. And I'm divorced and I'm on my own. I answered Craigslist, um, ad for a guy that, you know, just come over to this house and you'll blow you and that's it yeah and so i did that and in

that meeting up with him lasted damn near about two three years of just on and off on and off and just sexual and the funny thing was is we would we would talk outside you know like being buzzed or something like that it seemed like he wanted more but i just explained to him as like look i'm into women he wasn't he was actually gay but but you know if if i'm I felt the urge or something like that. I just gave him a call. It was really convenient. And so that was the first one where, after about like two or three visits to his house or so,

I said to myself, I was like, all right, tell you what, lay in your back. I'm going to give this a try. And I did. And at first, I was like, okay, when he got hard, then I just loved it. And then I just couldn't get enough of it. So it was back and forth, back and forth. And actually, he was the first. guy that penetrated me.

And so I'd never thought, and he wasn't well-undowed, so it worked out perfect. And he did. And I remember just being elated when I went home that night. I was just like, oh, my God, that felt great. That was such a cool experience. So I got really into the whole by stuff. And, you know, just to be honest, it probably wasn't about two months ago. I reached out to him.

and still had a conversation. He's married now and stuff like that, but he says like, you know, you ever want to come over? You know, and if the stars line up and we can work it out, I can do it. Now, granted, I'm with somebody right now who could absolutely care less if I do anything on the by side. She's just like, have that at it, have a good time.

Yeah, that's great. All right. So you're with that guy in the time, after you're divorced and you're just doing this when you're solo and you're playing around with him. Now, eventually do we, like besides him, do we eventually, like, is the next thing in this story you meet this wife of yours that you're doing all this stuff with?

Yeah, so two years ago, it's just a Tinder thing. You meet someone on Tinder and she's like, hey, by the way, you know, we actually met previously. And so now we all of a sudden have common ground. And she's like, I remember seeing you at the gym walking. So she's showing a lot of interest to me. But I wasn't really so interested in her yet, too, because she had this picture up that just really didn't represent her very well. so I didn't give her much attention. And then finally, I did meet her at the gym.

I was just like, holy cow, she was gorgeous. And then she was in a relationship for like seven years with somebody, and they swang, swung, whatever we want to call it for a long time. And, you know, it just wasn't a very good relationship. And one night, or yeah, one night I got real ballsy, and I said, hey, I need a ride. I need a ride to give my tires change. She gave me the ride, you know, back home.

or so and I was taking testosterone at the time and she said you know I could administer your testosterone for you but if I get too much in you I'm going to have to suck it out and I'm like holy shit yeah I was like oh my god here it comes so we get on the conversation of talking about sex and she goes I hope we don't not offend her anything she goes I'm really sexual I was like oh call me I was like you're really sexual okay call me she calls me and I just was like you know what You want to get real or so? I told her about it. I told her about the buy stuff, expecting for her to come.

Because I was like, what do I got to lose? You know, that's just matter and stuff. Yeah, she's gorgeous, but just plenty of fish in the sea. And she came back. She goes, are you the pitcher or the catcher? And I said, well, you know, sometimes it's this way and sometimes it's that way. And she loved it. And I'm like, you gotta be kidding.

You're into this. You're gorgeous and you're into this. So, you know, she told me about her swinging experience. I told her about my boy experience. And she was so, turned on by it. I'm like that I it's one thing it's one thing for a gorgeous gal to accept it. It's another for her to be completely turned on by it. Totally. And it's you know, it's interesting to me because I find that a lot more girls are turned on by guy and guy action than I thought. They're out there.

And actually that comes from your show. Yeah. I've listened to so many of your podcasts and in my jaw I mean, I've listened to your podcasts at work with with earphones on and stuff like that. My jaw is just completely dropped at times. But it's in time too. It's been a little bit. educational because I listen to your show and I'm like that's me that's me totally totally all right so wait but let's go back to your story because I love it so now you so this girl's super sexual she's totally turned on by her guy and guy action and then I'm assuming you guys start hooking up her and I do yeah and uh it was kind of funny at first so she tells me about her her swinging experience and I kind of then get this idea in my head that you know she's been with the the best the latest and greatest and I really had to perform.

Had a little bit of ED issue in the very beginning. That went away after about a year or so. But when we did our first experience before actually getting married, our first swap experience, it went horrible. She was with the girl and stuff. I thought that was kind of cool. But it was time for me to be with the girl. It wasn't so much stage fright as it was,

I just had zero interest in being with that girl. And she ends up being with the guy. and the girl with me was really offended by the fact that I just wasn't really interested, you know, and that ended up being a bad experience and kind of her walking out of the house going, you know, kind of screaming. And you buy Seattle or something like that. I'm like, good God. So from that, I just kind of told her, I was like, you know, I don't think I'm really interested in doing the whole typical,

um, full swap swing thing. And let me preface it again. My wife, my girlfriend at the time, was absolutely the hottest, most attractive girl. I could look at a woman lady. It just, my eyes were for her only. And really, I kind of struggled with that too because I thought, how is it that I can only want one person,

but yet still be this sexual? And again, listening to some of your podcasts, I kind of learned how there are guys that are like that. It's like they love being in the environment and stuff like that, but they want to watch their wife. They want to just be with their wife and they want to watch their wife be with someone. But they don't necessarily want to be with anyone. That's me.

Oh, yeah. At most guys, I would say 95% of the guys that have the hot wife kink, they are not interested in variety when it comes to women. I'm not. Yeah. So now here's a real big problem with that is the fact that she, is considered a cuck, right? She wants to watch me,

well, she says she wants to watch me just enjoy myself. And I'm like, well, that's easy. You know, I mean, I could name. Jerk off. No, she wants to see you with a girl. I can see, you know, I can do things that I enjoy if that makes you, makes you happy. But the thing was, she kept saying, tip of reverting back to, I'd love to see you with a girl

or have a girlfriend or something like that. I'm like, yeah, but, you know, I mean, I'll kind of do it for you. And I did try a couple times here and there. Never stuck. I'm like, you want. You want to watch me be with somebody because you think I'm really enjoying it, but I'm not. It's not that big a deal with me. You know, so we had that.

She even, I'm jumping ahead, but she even got me a reservation at the Bunny Ranch to be with, like, I get to pick the girl I want. And she was so happy because giving gifts is one of, it's her love language. And I had to explain to her. I'm like, look, I'm doing, I'm mostly doing this for you. It's like, I'm not that excited about. Why can't you shut your face and just like do it and just like give her. I'll do it. Gift.

Why do you have to be so honest? Why can I have to tell her every time? By the way, I'm going to do this, but I'm not into it. That's like the worst. Imagine a girl's about to, wait, no. Imagine a girl's about to blow you and she's like, okay, I'm going to blow you. But just so you know, I'm not into this at all. I'm just doing it for you.

I've had that before. Right. Yes, it's a total turnoff. Why do you have to tell it if you buy you a gift? Listen, my love language is gifts. Okay. If I gave you a gift to the buddy ranch, fucking go, enjoy yourself and pretend it's great.

Don't tell me you're not going to enjoy it. Yeah, right. Don't be so honest. Yeah, well, I don't know. You know what? Here it is. I'm a hoar. I'm a shitty liar.

So I try to stay away from ever lying because I can't keep track of it. I mean, it's just like. There's nothing about lying. That's like a white lie. I teach my son this. Like a white lie is like being nice. You're just being nice. You don't need to tell her.

Oh, I'm going to take your gift and I'm going to throw it in the shitter because I can't do it for you. You know. You know what I mean. Sorry, I'm going to go out with your story. People are going to be mad at me for cock blocking the story. Just go on. Okay, yeah, go ahead. So go on. So she, do you, I mean, she obviously wants it turns her on to see you with another woman, right? But you don't want to do it as the whole point. Did you go to the Brenning Ranch? I mean, no, I haven't done it yet, but I'll do it and stuff like that.

But when did she get you this gift? A couple of months ago. Okay, so you haven't gone yet. No. Are you going to? But you've always told her, but what you keep telling her? every other minute. I'll do it, but I'm not into it. No, no, I don't, I don't tell her that, but she, the thing is, you, you, I'm very, I have facial expressions that are written all over me. You can tell exactly what I'm thinking, what I'm feeling, everything, but just looking at me, right? Yeah. So she would say to me, aren't she so excited about going? And I'm like, yeah, sure. Yeah, I'm excited. She's a, you don't look at it. Let's talk about two things that I love. I love the summer. I'm like obsessed with the hot. weather and I love when my guy goes down on me now I don't know if you listen to my episode with

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what I'm feeling, everything, by just looking at me, right? Yeah. So she would say to me, aren't she so excited about going? And I'm like, yeah, sure. Yeah, I'm excited. She's a, you don't look at it. I'm like, well, don't she, come on, doesn't she know you by now that this isn't your thing?

It sounds like you've explained it to her a million times. We're, we're eventually getting there. We just recently, too, had a situation where I, okay, so part of my thing is, too, is I love flirting. I love the game of trying to attract somebody. But then once I get them, it kind of games over, the hunt's gone, you know, it's really not the big deal. And so we just recently had that with this couple. And I was out of the blue messaging around Facebook and, hey, you're so beautiful, blah, blah, eating it up within three days.

You know, this girl is just like texting me every minute. and then at that point once I realized that you know kind of kind of swooder and stuff like that I just kind of lost interest and there was no more flirting to be done you can only see so many titty pits and put pussy pics where it's just like yeah you show me where was your girl during all this is she like in this tax exchange no but is she in this tax exchange well we started off we started off with a group and a tax and then we just moved over where she was with the husband I was with the girl but you got to understand she she's very liberal in a sense that you're like all over the place you got a little bit of ADHD the way you tell a story I have to go back a little bit to the beginning when you start all of this setup because we don't have like a lot of the rules and regulations how you guys did this were already like you know two months ago okay but let me just ask you like with that girl you're saying so was the point of the story is like after you got all the titty picks and you said texted her and you got her you're about to go in bed like you have no interest in doing anything further yeah the throw was gone after you know I realized I pretty much much captured her and I could do whatever I want and say whatever I want. Then the interest kind of fell apart. Right. So, you know, at that point, I just realized don't do that again. Let me ask you this since we're not in chronological order, but I'm going to get right back there after this question. Okay. Does she enjoy watching you with guys? Yes. Okay. So that's a good starting point for me to back up. Okay. Great. After we did the full swap thing and that fell apart,

I told her, I just not into it. I just really am not into it. I don't see. I'm more into the kinkiness. And she agreed, too, she's more into the kinkiness because all she ever knew was just traditional full swap from her previous, you know, boyfriend. So I think there's a lot of people that get into lifestyle. That's all they know and they haven't really opened up more. Well, I've gone past that. I never explained it and I won't go into it.

But my previous life with a different wife, I had six years of full swap swinging that I did. And so I've already been there, done that. Oh my God, you just told me about your ex-wife, but you never mentioned that you guys were full-swap swinging, too? My ex-wife from before when I was in my 30s and stuff like that. But anyway, I'm going to step aside from that and go back to where we were, which was after the full-swap. Okay, go on. Well, it's not. It's all true.

Okay. How could you not tell me that, that you did that with that wife? Because there's not much anything exciting about it. It was just traditional. What are the odds at some guy? winds up with two chicks that are like full swappers. Well, that's the thing that my current wife, that's where her and I had that calm ground. When we talked on the phone, she's like, I've been in the lifestyle for three, four years.

I'm like, yeah, I was in it for six. Yeah, but when you told me that she brought that up to you, you didn't say that you told her that. Like, that's where I was like, whatever. Oh, go on. Honestly, I didn't bring it up because to me, it's not that big a deal. But anyway, after the first swap with my current wife, and I said, I'm done with that. that's really low on my wish list. Her and I did this thing where we met a guy in town,

and he had like a basement dungeon, and he was a bye guy. And the whole idea was that we're going to go over there and him and I were going to mess around. And she was just going to watch. So the first time going over there, this guy's got all the bells and whistles. You walk in, you know, he's got like the brick wall,

and he's got the same first Christopher's cross, you know, all the stuff you'd see in like a real dungeon. and stuff like that. It was even in the basement, so I had that musty smell. And we go in there and him and I start messing around. And so, and sure, I mean, within two minutes or so, she's jumping in and helping me blow his cock. And so then it becomes kind of a group effort. And we move from that to he puts me on the bench, loops me up. And my wife grabs her little pad and her vibrator.

And she comes, she sits right in front and so. and he's got this big giant pump action loop thing so he's had a few people in there before and he leaves himself up and he goes to town puts it in and when he puts it in and my eyes roll back into my head she looks at me and she just screams and orgasms and to her then that next day after that experience she even texts back into our group of texts She's like, I've been in lifestyle for six whatever years, and I've had many play scenarios, but that was by far the hottest play scenario that she's ever experienced. Really?

And I was like, yeah. Was that her first time that she saw a guy and guy action live? Yes. Okay. Yep. And so it was new for her. And it was a big deal. And mind you, this is something in the very beginning I said to her. So I wasn't afraid to, you know, expand my horizons with my wife with the, I've never done that

before too. So doing that situation with her, that was pretty hot for me too, having her watch and her get so turned on turned on, turned me so on. Right. So then all of a sudden, my thing is like, oh shit, this whole bringing in my wife with a bye guy, that's,

I think I found my niche. You know, that's a, that's a fun thing. Yeah, totally. Well, so this guy then, we walked away from that, just like, on cloud night. We thought that was the greatest thing ever. we maybe two weeks later so we get invited back and we think you know it's going to be about the same situation but I kind of threw a wrench into it where we started out doing the same thing

and I was like well here how about to say you want to fuck her and he's like oh yeah I'd love to so we threw her up on a table put her feet up in shackles and this guy's got massive 10 inch cock and so this was going to be the first time I was going to watch her actually get hammered outside of that couples play that we did which really I didn't even really get to see anything because I was too involved what was going on with the girl he throws that meat inside her and then pounce her for about two three minutes and I you know I had got a video of it and the whole thing it was hot it was really really hot the only problem was and I didn't foresee this because a lot

lot of times you can't foresee anything or some things. So once I gave him the free reign to do that with her, he then really just became very uninterested in doing anything with me. And it was all just about her. Well, Murmese saying she's a cuck. She wants to watch some stuff. Even though I enjoyed watching her do that and stuff, she wanted to watch me do more with the guy.

With the guy just turned interest off on me and more onto her, which I get, but we were then there for the wrong reasons because she really wanted to watch me. And so that became kind of a, I would say, maybe three out of five guys, kind of were like that. It was hard to find somebody that would do by play that wasn't totally, you know, it's like, are you wanting to be with me or are you want to just be with her or you didn't want to be with both of us? And you never know. Okay. So you guys have been, so, you know, this cock and her is obviously not being fulfilled with the guys. Like she's really into you seeing you with a female and that's what you won't, you're not interested in doing?

Well, I mean, I asked the question. Is this something that you like? And she says yes. But we kind of ran into, okay, I'm at the point now where I can talk about. We ran into her confessing that she hates planning anything. that. All right. You said something about that because I thought she's like a hot wife, like fucking a lot of

guys. So far, it's like all about you and what you're doing. What is she doing and what does she get off on? And I'm not, I'm not trying to jump around, but I have to go to. I have to go with your, I'm taking your lead, okay? I've given up. It's okay. We went to this, we went to this thing in San or in California, Palm Springs called BFF.

It was a bye fuckfest where couples came. and stuff like that, but it was mostly for the guys and stuff. We went to it, we messed around, did some mortgies and stuff like that. But, and I'm getting to the point. The point was, I learned to enjoy hot wiping for the first time. What had happened was there was this great-looking black guy that was at this event. It was actually towards the end, which is too bad. And he was laying over in a lawn chair, and I looked at my wife, and I said, hey, why you go over there

and start blowing them. And at first she was a little kind of like, oh, wow, you just go do that. But she's ballsy like that. She is. She went over and asked him, laid down between his legs, we're out there by the pool,

started blowing him. And I was really turned on by it. But then I was just like, hey, those three of us go to a playroom. Okay. We hadn't done anything kind of like that. Just spur of the moment, pick someone out and go. And we went,

and when we got in there, there, I kind of had this notion. I was like, you know what, I'm not going to really do anything. You know, and I said to my wife, you, you two, just go at it. I did blow him for a little while and I put a condom on it. But then I grabbed the chair and I just sat to the side and I watched the whole thing. And after that, I was just like, holy shit. Okay, I got two things now that are incredibly hot. one, me and a by guy, take it on my wife, and two, hotwifing. So I was, now it's like a new venture. Now it's like, okay, I got something new, new goal.

And so I'm going to dial up my friends or I'm going to, you know, go online and look for these big musk, I'm going to try to find big muscular dudes with big cocks. You know, same scenario. And I found, we went through about four different guys for the hot wife thing. One of them met us at a club. Went back into the playroom, and he was bitching about not being on Adderall or something like that. He couldn't get it up. So that didn't work out.

Then the next guy, we're hoping for probably two weeks later or so, waiting at our house, never shows. All of a sudden disappears off of AFF, which is an adult friend finder. He's gone. Never hear from him again. He stands us up. And then we go to the third guy. and on the third guy she got cold feet

and I don't remember exactly what it was but she just was like I you know what I'm just not feeling it that's fine so on the last and very final guy we had the conversation where she told me that she didn't want to plan anything and I'm like what do you mean she goes it's not as fun if it's just

hey next Tuesday meet here at 7 o'clock and condom up and get ready to go and I'm like well I get it I mean yeah that's not as hot as like serendipity as we call it but how else are we supposed to do this and she's like I don't know I just don't like it and I'm like and I was like you know I can appreciate it you know it's not very convenient it contains that our our chances of ever doing something it's kind of really limited but if that's the case that's the case and so now you know it's just a matter of maybe a hotel takeover,

maybe go to a resort that's a Swingers resort. We have a time share of desire. But I don't understand. When you were doing those guys on sniffies, wasn't it the same thing? Why was she into that, but not this? Well, because I think it's the non-committal part. And it's the fact that those scenarios,

I'm bringing somebody over and I'm telling her the same thing. It's like, okay, I'm going to be with this guy. I'm going to do some things. join in if you want to. And if you don't want to, just sit there. Okay, so it's not for her. Yeah, exactly. It's for me.

And this is kind of interesting too, because every once in a while we kind of have these conversations. And she's like, well, I didn't like the last two or three guys. And I'm like, okay, but the last two or three guys weren't for you or for me. You know, so don't complain that I brought you the wrong, you know, the wrong body type or something like that because you were joining in only if you wanted to. And so that, yeah, the whole buy thing kind of stopped because of the logistics. Work, having one child who's a stepdaughter mine at home and not having the availability or having my wife in the mood and stuff like that. Yeah, it's very hard to follow you.

I didn't even know that it stopped. I mean, it's all the same shit. What's the difference between a buy guy or setting up a hot wiping experience? What's the difference? Nothing. There's no difference. but I'm just saying in general doing anything just became really tough by having it's summertime and you have a college girl living at home

and you're waiting for her to go back to college. So it's, you know, it's hard to say next Tuesday is a free name. Let's try to make that work. And then all of a sudden, you know, the person you want to come over can't make it over. So it's the wells dried up a little bit. Haven't done it for a bit. But our new outlook is to attend hosel takeovers, or parties, like pool party or something like that, or go to Vegas or go to, you know, another event of some kind resort.

You know, if things happen, they happen. But we're no longer a couple of plans things. So. So. And that's fine. Right. How many times has she a hot wife for you? Once.

Just once. How long you've been with this woman? It was, it was one time. And like I said, I tried to set it up with three other times. and they all bailed, either the guys bailed on us or it just happened where it wasn't in the cards for her. Right. And I think it's one of those things where she got put on the spot because you've got to think about it. I sympathize with her in the fact that she runs home from work, got to get in the shower,

got to shave her legs, got to get all dialed up, just to meet that start time, you know, and then at that point you're supposed to have your engines revved or whatnot. And it just wasn't as enjoyable for her. I think she did it a couple times to appease me, but then she realized, you know what, I'm not really having any fun. I thought she did it once for you. She did it once at that two-week thing in Palm Springs. Right. Okay.

You know, that was a day of debauchery and after her, you know, giving the guy ahead in a lawn chair. And, you know, her engines were already read, so she was willing to go. And so for me, I tried to recreate that whole scenario by planning out with somebody we don't know. and like I said, all the stuff that it takes to get ready and be ready to go at a certain time in a certain location and the guy has to show up. It just gets a little tedious. It gets a little bit. I get it. I don't know why I'm very confused by your story, but I sort of am and I'm so curious if other people are going to be like, yeah, I didn't fucking follow him either. It's not like you don't have a story, but I don't know.

You told it in a way that is, it's very confusing for me. So I don't know where to go. It's okay, where to go with the story. But like, you said she's very like, I mean, you're at the point where she's like buying you bunny ranch visits. Like, how did that come out? I mean, obviously you told her a long time ago that you're not into hooking up with chicks, right? Like, wasn't that established? Yeah, but you know, okay, this is going to throw you in.

So I got this down. Here we go. So this whole thing with, you know, me being like, well, you know, the whole full swap thing is really not a big deal to be. And I'm not really out to trying to find other girls. But I do like Asian girls. I do like that. So she decided to come up with the bunny rants thing where I could find one that I'm attracted to.

And hopefully we get out there and everything goes well. Can you find that also on adult friend finder and all these other apps that you're on? I mean, aren't you guys. No? I live in Iowa. Oh, there's no. I see I've always been in like New York City. So I have every flavor.

Yeah. Right. No, Iowa doesn't, we don't have that here. Oh, interesting. Okay. Not much to choose from. Hence the reason why you don't really do very much. Well, let me ask you this.

Does the Bunny Ranch have a website? Like, have you gone on it? Because typically they have pictures of the girls that are there and when they're going to be there. That's exactly it. It's actually called Sherry's Ranch now. That's not the need to bleep out. Yeah. Well, no, no, no.

But the girl Luna that's been, I know, I've talked to every girl from the Sherry's ranch. But they're not, is it cherries or cherries? They're not. Sherry. Sherry. Sherry's, right? Yeah, Sherry's ranch. Yeah.

It's like worried from the menu. I've had a ton of. them on my show, but I haven't had an Asian one, but I'm sure there is. Have you gone on the site to see if they have one there and when she's going to be there? Yeah, it's her name's Sharina. She's actually Filipino. And she's, yeah, she's on the website right now. I have a date and time and everything picked out and got our flights. Okay, so why are you telling your girl? Now we're going to circle back to me making fun of you. Why are you telling your girl, oh, I'm going to do this for you, but I'm not into it. No, now you're saying you are fucking into it because it's like exactly your

like before I remember you started this off saying she got me this gift and I keep telling her I'm not really into it I'll do it for you no you're missing it you can kind of be into it well you can kind of be into it but it's not you just said you're really into Asian chicks and you have one set up so that gift that she was giving you why did you tell me early on that you were telling her you weren't into it because my level of into it I've had other things that are much more exciting this it's exciting, but it's on a meter. It's not that high. Okay. So I'll do it. I'll have a good time and stuff like that. But if you really want to see me enjoy something, that's not going to be my number one choice. Right. But are you excited because

it is your type of girl? Yeah. It's a very cool thing. I'll also put on the spot a little, you know, here we go back to the whole thing that she was talking about, which was when you plan something, you know, am I going to get there? I'm going to freeze up? You know, is it going to work? You know, it's not cheap. So am I going to waste a lot of money to not give her very much of a show? Yeah, that kind of worries you a little bit. Okay, so what are you guys looking for now? Like, what is like on the table?

Are you still looking for guys? Is she looking for a hot wife situation that's perfect for her? What's on the table now? The table on the table right now is we leave everything up to chance and we attend things like wholesale takeover, pool party, go to the club. go to Vegas, go to lifestyle events or something like that. In other words, we're willing. No, not what places, what kind of sexual experiences are on the table for the both of you that you're both looking for?

That's just it. We don't know. Now we're at a point. It's mostly going to be just a hot wife thing. I don't know either. Nobody else that's listening to this episode knows too. Okay. I get why you guys don't know because I don't fucking know when I'm listening to your story.

Oh, my God. I'm just as confused as the both of you. The thing is, is that we're basically just saying that we're not going to plan anything. And if we come across something that's kind of sexy. Right. Okay. So maybe my question should be like, what do you think is the most sexy to her? And what is the most sexy to you?

The most sexy to me is a hot-wife scenario with her getting fucked by some guy out of the blue that just happened to be at the right place at the right time. The hot thing for her to see with me, it's probably her hot thing is either going to be with a gorgeous gal or if it's me involved, it's going to watch me with a girl or with a guy doing something where she can just sit and watch. Mm-hmm.

Okay. That's it. That's it. And, but what if I asked her, would she say she would love to see you like at the, is she going to go with you to the Bunny Ranch and be in the room watching? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. So what does she want to see there? She just wants to see me with that girl with Serena or Charisse or whatever. And for me to get off to do a good job on her and to watch the sex, watch me.

She just wants to watch me really enjoy something and have passionate sex with that girl. That's her thing. Right. But you don't feel like you could ever really give her that experience. I don't know. I can try. But the thing is, is like, don't hold me to it because I don't know. I mean, I've been in situations with other girls before where I get going and just like, yeah, it's really not really my thing anymore. It's not really, you know, because the girl could be good looking and then you get there and you go to play and stuff. And the things are doing during it, aka blowjob or something, you know, take their pants off together, you can't push. I don't know what it is, you know.

And then all of a sudden, do you think, like, what about guys? Are you as picky when it comes to guys? I am. So that's kind of another thing, too, where the kind of guy that she would want to play with is not the kind of guy I want to play with. What's the kind of guy? Tell me the difference. So, like, for her, you know, it would be somebody that's at least six to broad shoulders, funny, you know, whatever.

It's not the guy I want to be with. I either want to be with an older guy that's got gray hair, white hair, or I want to be with a twink tied. The guy that she explains, I have no interest in. Was your doctor a gray-haired doctor? Yep. He was white-haired, tan, good-looking, older guy, probably upper 60s. Right. That's probably why you like the older guy thing.

And what about the twink? Was the co-worker, the sales guy, a twink? Yeah, he was. He kind of had a little bit of a feminist side to him, yeah. Oh, really? Okay, so you guys have the wrong, listen, you know, you've talked about a lot of things that, like, you guys don't have in common, but the truth is it doesn't sound like you have a lot of rules and regulations. You guys, it sounds like everything's kind of on the table. The problem here is that both of you don't really, you're not on the same page with a lot of this stuff, but yet everything is on the table, right?

Yeah. There's no rules. No, there's really not. And, you know, that's kind of, well, I do have a rule. What is it? We don't, I, her, you know, she, even though she wants me to do whatever I want, if she's going to play, I want to be there. It's always going to be the same room. You're never going to go off and do your own thing. So that's, that's one of the big things. Okay, but you said that you guys do text separately. Like, you get in group tax and then you text separately, right? Like, that's, okay. That just recently happened for the first time.

You told me during that swap when you did. Yep, during that. Yeah. The days I was trying to flirt with the girl on on day three all of a sudden I'm keeping on interesting. But when I said you, oh, you were texting separately, you're like, oh yeah, I have free reign. Like my girl's like, cool, like anything goes. Yeah, she is like that. Right. So, and so, but you're not. Like, you don't

like her. Are you okay with her texting someone solo? She can text as long as that's as far as it goes. What about sex? No. Oh, interesting. But you were sexting with the woman.

Oh, no, you mean sexting? Is it okay? I thought you said sexed. Sorry. I thought you said sex. No, sexting solo. Yeah, sexting have added. Of course, right. Okay, cool.

Okay. And do you get off on it? Like, do you like that? Because, I mean, you are into seeing other guys, like, admire her. I do. I mean, I would enjoy it and stuff. I kind of found for the first time when we were doing it, it was like, well, I'm not, I'm not getting off on what she's doing. Because I'm not reading it.

I'm not on it. So I don't know what's going on. So I don't really get much from it. Because we get home, we get busy with making dinner and stuff like that. And by the time that we would sit down and say, okay, let me go through all your text. She's got days worth of text or something like that. I don't, I'm not interested in reading it at that point. Right.

So I guess a new rule, if it ever happens, which I don't know, would be let's all just stay in a group. So that way, whatever's going on, I can read and enjoy it. Because right now it's like, you get all these sexy conversations, I'll never know about it. Right. Well, she only had one. You said it only happened once. Right, right. All these sexy conversations.

Okay. very confused. I'm curious to see if anyone else is as confused by your story as I am. But I do appreciate you calling in and telling your story, by the way. It might just be me because I'm used to like sort of, maybe it's my ADHD that can't fucking follow you, but I don't know why I'm slightly confused with things that you've said here. But, you know, I got the whole story. If you were to call me back and ask me a question on any of that, I'll tell exactly what happened, just the way I told it on the phone today. Yeah, I do you have a, ADHD and you jump around and stuff like that.

No, no, but I'm not accusing you of lying. I'm just saying I'm confused. You're the one bringing you up. Okay, I didn't say lie once. I just said, I'm fucking confused. I don't know. That's what I'm saying. I don't, no, no, I don't need any more straightening out.

You gave all the details. There's not much more I could ask. I feel like I got the whole story, but I don't care. I don't care. You didn't tell me you're, this is where you're ADHD. You're, you're, I don't know, what were you going to say? The gang bang on our wedding night. Oh, my God.

Yeah. You fucking, this is how psychotic you are, okay? You tell a story about an ex-wife. You never tell me that what, you know, that you were swinging, full swapping. You have a gangbing on your wedding night, and you never bring it up until I'm closing out and like making fun of the way you told the story?

Well, I mean, it was a female Gloria hole that she ended up dealing seven dudes. How did you leave this till now? Well, I didn't get to it. Yeah, that's a problem because I was trying to go chronologically. Okay, why don't you get to it? Well, so what happened was, is that just, it happened. Wedding night. You walk me through your wedding. Do you have a big wedding? Is this a big wedding? Is this a shotgun wedding? Is this like a Vegas wedding? No, no, no. It's here in

town. It's with a few friends and family and stuff. We did it within like a half hour, went somewhere and ate with the people cake, cupcakes, stuff like that. And then we just headed down to the hotel downtown and had a limo take us out to the swingers club where she wore a wedding dress and I wore my suit and within about an hour of being there and having drinks she's in the female glory hole wait wait this bar was a swingers bar swingers club yeah okay and you know those swinger or a few glory holes were half you in half you out I've heard of them Erica my dress Erica has been to a lot of those but walk me through it so you guys go there and she's like we go there and so i got my buddy who is on the other side and i'm on the side of making

sure people put condoms on what do you mean your buddy your buddy from the wedding from the club no oh okay okay okay yeah he's on the other side he's doing a little filming for me and getting blown at the same time i'm on the other side making sure that you know she's going to have some customers and so we went through about seven different dudes oh my god when we were walking out I went back there and got her and gave her a big high five. And as we're walking out, we came in contact with a transvestite person. And I immediately got that urge where I made him go down on me. And she was a trans man or a trans woman?

Trans man. So it was a woman dressed up as a man. That's what a trans man is. Oh, sorry. Right. Yeah, you're getting it wrong. It's a trans woman. So you have to say she.

She went out on you. Even though it was a man. say she? Yeah, because she's trans. Okay, okay. So she went down on me, and as she was doing that, my wife went down on him, her. Yeah. Yeah.

And then she spun around and I handed him a condom and she started fucking him. So, and that was at the very end. So it was the whole night of debauchery. It was, but you guys were obviously because, listen, you're at this. I mean, you should have told

your story chronologically. It would have been killer. But, like, this is at a point where you guys are ready together for a while. You're ready, like, yeah, it's your wedding night, but you're already professional swingers at this point because you're going to this club to the point where you know people there and everything. So this is just a part of what you do. Yeah. Right. Hey, I heard on one of your shows, you said something about don't write stuff down. Yeah.

Don't be prepared. Yes. Me without notes, I'm just a mess. Oh, oh, so you didn't write down? No, you told, the whole idea. the episode where the guy, he's told the guys, like, don't prepare for it, don't write things. It is.

It's terrible. I went with that. But the thing is, yeah, I'm all over the place. So I didn't have nothing to go. It's okay. This is fun. Honestly, this whole thing about you being the worst storyteller adds a whole other layer to me of entertainment to the episode. Sorry, that's the way I look at things.

Okay. I have heard you say that to other people. So you're putting this in a group. You might as well have a channel or a subtitle or, you know, These are my bad storytellers. No, not bad. Listen, I have great ones. I have bad ones, but, like, I feel like this is what makes me a good host.

I know how to make it enjoyable, okay? I'm not just going to sit there and pretend like nothing's going on and you're not fucking confusing as shit and you're telling the worst story. Okay, I could do that. That's a boring host, okay? A good host. No, you're awesome. Actually, talks about it and makes a fucking fun. And like I said, I added a whole other layer to your story, which makes a killer.

You have great stories, too. And you have all the stuff, okay? The ingredients. They were just all told in a very deconstructed. This is like a deconstructed episode, okay? But it's all there. And like I said, I just added and made it more interesting by making fun of you. Sorry, that's the way I hope.

Make fun of me all you want. You got to have my wife on sometime. Oh my God, please. Let me have her on because I bet you anything. She's going to be your opposite, right? And she's going to tell the best story. So please. She is quite the opposite.

We are yin-yang, ying, y'all. That's why you get along. Yeah, that's perfect. That's how, that's a good couple. Best way to explain her, she's a dude and a hot girl's body. Yeah, I like that. Please have her call on. I love those girls.

I love the, I call them my hardcore girls. I think my listeners love hearing from those kinds of women because they're few and far between, you know, most women aren't like that, right? And men love to know that girls like that exist. And you have one.

So get her to call in, please. And then, you know, if you know, if you called, oh my God, is she going to listen to this episode.

You could send me picks if you want. You could send me picks, anonymous picks. and I'll give you free access to my Patreon on my Discord. But anyway, this was fun. Sorry. No. I had a good time.

I had a good time. And not to mention, I started listening to you and just absolutely fell in love with your podcast. I love that. I love that. I love that. And I hope you like take my jokes in stride. Like you're cool, right? Absolutely.

Okay, good. You know me by now if you listen to my show. Yep. I'm in love with you. Okay, good. All right. Awesome. Thanks, thanks so much for calling in and get your wife on, please.

Okay. I will definitely. You bet. Thank you very much for having me. Thanks, Justin. Bye. Bye. Bye. Okay. I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story.

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