Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1195  - James was in a Semi-Open Marriage and Now he's Cheating on his Wife with her Best Friend and a Model?!

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

This one is kind of funny as I do call him a douchebag on more than one occasion...James was in a semi-open marriage and now he’s cheating on his wife with her best friend and a model and he called ...in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including how he got his wife to have a bunch of mff threesomes and what went down, the sex parties they would attend and what they would do there, the couple massage that turned into a threesome, how and why their sex life went downhill, how and why he wound up hooking up with his wife’s best friend, the first time they hooked-up and exactly what went down, how and why he fell so hard for her, how he feels he’s in love with her and why, the Eastern European model he met and starting hooking up with and what goes down between them, the medical condition he has that makes him feel okay about the extra “passion” in his life, how and why he doesn’t feel like he’s cheating, how and why he’ll never leave his wife for anyone else plus a whole lot more. REPEAT THURSDAY, originally aired 3/24 **To see HOT pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712  Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠strictlyanonymouspodcast@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed.  Sponsors:  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://viia.co/STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Try VIIA and use code STRICTLYANON for great SEX and sleep ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://butterwellness.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Use the code “STRICTLY” at checkout for 20% off your entire order ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://liferx.md⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Start your transformation now and get $50 OFF your first month, use code: ANONYMOUS ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://vb.health⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To get 10% off Load Boost and Drive Boost by VB Health use code: STRICTLY ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Get your first month of the new Blewchew Max FREE! use code: STRICTLYANON ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://beducate.me/pd2520-anonymous⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Use code: ANONYMOUS to get 50% off your yearly pass plus get a 14-day money-back guarantee Follow me! Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Everything else ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcas⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:02:55 as well as read up on articles and learn about the lifestyle. For your free trial, go to sCC.com and use my code 37712 or just go to the description and click on the link. Everything I talk about is in the description. Today I have on James. James is fucking funny to me, okay? I call him a douchebag on more than one occasion. And the first time he gets a little insulted, but by the end we were BFF.
Starting point is 00:03:19 He's a character. James is a character. I think he's going to be a controversial character. I think you're going to feel either very one way about him positive or very one way about him negative. I think he's that kind of guy. I appreciated his honesty. I appreciated his conviction for his lifestyle and what he's doing. He made me laugh a lot.
Starting point is 00:03:41 Like I said, I called him a doucheback on more than one occasion. He didn't agree with one thing I said, which is cool. I love a good debate. And I enjoyed him. And the conversation is super interesting. I can't wait to hear what my listeners think about this story because this is a guy who's married for a while to a woman that he used to like have three sons with other women and he would go and fuck his wife in front of people at sex parties and he would do massages with her, a couple massages. You know, they got down and dirty and had great sex, mostly all of their marriage. But after COVID hit, there wasn't really that passion anymore there, but he really still loves his wife.
Starting point is 00:04:18 And he wound up having an affair. I mean, he is straight up in love, okay, and you're going to hear all about it in this episode with her best friend. You're going to get all the details. They fuck like crazy. The sex was amazing. He's very much in love with her. And then eventually he wound up meeting another woman, an Eastern European woman, who happens to be like a 10.7. He talks about how hot she is and he's banging her. And he has a relationship with her as well. And we talk about all of it. I call him a cheater. he doesn't think he's cheating. That's what's super interesting about this is the debate that we have.
Starting point is 00:04:57 Like I said, he didn't agree with me. But that's cool. I don't mind it. It makes for an interesting conversation. I think people listening to this, I'm going to be very curious of the comments. I think some people are going to be totally seeing things the way I do. And I think a lot of people will be able to see things the way he sees them. And that's what's going to be super interesting about it.
Starting point is 00:05:15 So anyway, I'm going to be right back on with James. Hi, James. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous. podcast. How are you today? I'm good. Thank you. Nice to be here. Yeah, well, listen, I'm glad you called in and made an appointment because your confession, confession, confession that you left on my confessions hotline made it to a recent confession episode. It is episode 777. I had a lot of things to say about your confession,
Starting point is 00:05:42 because when I just get like a little snippet of someone's story, I always have a million in questions. And I'm going to give the short story that you gave me on your confessions that you left for me. And then you're going to, then I'm going to ask you all the questions. You're going to tell me the whole story. But basically, basically, you're an older guy. You've been married. You have a much younger wife, as well as two side chicks who are also younger. One of them happens to be her best friend. And I think that's the one you're in love with, quote unquote, that you have another woman who lives in another country that you're also really in. And two. The funny thing that you said are you...
Starting point is 00:06:19 They both live in different countries. Oh, her best friend lives in another country too? I'm sorry, I didn't hear that. The best friend lives in another country too? Both of them. The best friend and the... I'll call her the newer woman. Okay, so you have two...
Starting point is 00:06:36 I would say maybe one affair and one booty call besides a wife? No, no. I have feelings for all of these women. And if I could live on an island with all three of them, I would do that. And that's basically what I was saying when I talked back to your confession. I was kind of like either you're Polly or maybe you're not really in love with the other women. No, we're very traditional.
Starting point is 00:07:04 We're not Polly. We're not in new age. No, no, no. I know. But I'm saying you might be wired that way if you're in love with three people at the same time and that's very clear to you. Or you're not in love. with the other two, but you feel like you are because it's a shiny new object and it's, they live far away
Starting point is 00:07:23 and you're not with them every day. Oh, the best friend is not a new object. I've known her for a long time. Okay, but you know her from another country. It's one thing to have, be in love with someone that... No, she was living in the state. She just moved. Okay, so let's get the whole story because I had a million questions. I wanted to know whether it's real love or it's just you thinking you're in love because somebody new and it's not an everyday person. I think sometimes, you know, the people... I would classify that I love my wife and I love her best friend for reasons I can give you. And the other woman who's even younger is the, I didn't plan this. I didn't go out to seduce anybody. It just happened.
Starting point is 00:08:23 And but I'm not a good lover or I'm not a good guy or I'm not a gentleman. It just surprised me because who expects that in your 60s? Who expects what? I don't know where you're coming from. Who expects to be banging young chicks who expects to be like actually cheating on their wife? To be banging young chicks and to have a relationship and to want to spend time with them and it not being, I'm not feeding any fetish. This is just, No, but you might be feeding your ego. Is there any part of you that wonders why you're actually cheating on your wife? Is that a part of your story? You are cheating, right? She's not in the know about these other women. Is she or am I crazy?
Starting point is 00:09:05 All right. Well, let me, let me dress the cheating thing. So maybe I'm compartmentalizing. this in a way that gives me an excuse. Part of a decade's swap. But we would go to sex parties and we'd fuck in public. And we did have a couple of threesomes early in our rest vacation with another woman, never with another man. Besides much about wanting to basically go with a couple and swap or whatever because I actually offered my wife that early on because I was getting it occasionally, like a birthday gift
Starting point is 00:10:03 or something. What do you mean occasionally? She was giving it to you as a birthday gift? What do you mean? No, we would arrange like a masseuse to come over and massage both of us. In one case, you'll love this and all did each other at the sex party. And my wife, for example, encouraged me to come in her mouth and this best friend, this friend's mouth.
Starting point is 00:10:28 And somebody else came and tried to join us and the girls pulled him away and they were making out with each other. And it was lots of fun. And that was sort of how we rolled in the beginning of the marriage. where I guess 15, 16 years in. But I think COVID changed that because it became worried about germs and whatever else would happen. And we stopped going to sex parties. And sex for us became very mundane. You know, we watched some porno sometimes to start us off to get it to get more excited.
Starting point is 00:10:59 And then, you know, we basically, you know, assume a physician or two. And it's just very straight. And there's nothing, it's not that it's bad because it's very comfortable. and I love her and she's a great person. But it's just not, it's not blowing my gates off. And in the second, really something quite different. And so maybe I should tell you that story. Yeah, can we go, let's, I know exactly where we're at right now, but I don't want to
Starting point is 00:11:33 fast forward to that. I want to get a little bit of your, you and your wife's story first, okay, because you did do a lot of hot things, right? Let's talk about those and then work herself up to COVID and you, with the best friend. How long were you and your wife, Mary, before you started to do, become so experimental? Well, we, we met each other. Just normal couple to other people to watch us. Other people are doing things, but not necessarily. I'm not into the swing of lifestyle. And I have no fantasies. I don't want anybody to peg me or something. I have no fantasies that involve men. I'm very
Starting point is 00:12:27 heterosexual. My wife, actually, at the time, would she be, she said to me that she likes dick. And so I thought that was it. But then she said she could try it. And we had a couple of different times where, you know, she made out or the, it was all lots of fun. And we would mainly go to sex parties and not hotel, sort of the lower put on by promoters in a major city and was all very elegant. And in one case, they only wore masks and in other cases, in all the cases they restricted who would come. And you had a pass. So, visual test and send it an application and whatever. And we felt that we kind of 20s and she went down on my wife and I basically just. How did that happen? And when did you're like when did
Starting point is 00:13:54 it start that you were like banging other women in front of your wives? I don't know that I got that. It was always okay when you were doing threesomes that she would not only be able to hook up with the girls you were as well. Yeah. This episode is sponsored by Blue Chew. Hey guys. I want to always be super hard and ready to go. I mean, not one guy said no, right? Hey guys, do you know that you have a G-spot? That's right. Guys have a G-spot, too. And you know where it is? It is hidden right underneath your taint. Now, if you don't know where your taint is, it is that little landing strip right in between your balls and your asshole. Now, listen, if you stimulate your male G-spot, you're going to have what's called a Prostate orgasm. Now, I've never had a prostate orgasm because I'm a chick, but the guys who have called into my show who have had them talk about them being the best effing orgasm ever. And that's why I'm excited to tell you about the butter wellness perineum massager. The reason why I love this massager for male prostate orgasms is because you don't have to put this inside to have one. Okay. Their massager is designed to only be used externally.
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Starting point is 00:17:29 I don't know that I got that. It was always okay when you were doing threesomes that she would not only be able to hook up with the girls you were as well? Yeah, no, I was allowed. She was going down on my wife from the front. And then she brought out some toys, some beads. And I don't feel comfortable to the masseuse. And she said, no, this is great. The whole thing was just a main fun.
Starting point is 00:18:06 It's all we're using protection. So she said, don't. It's just not. We're just looking for experience as it lasts forever. It's not like you're going into a, get a regular massage and this just winds up happening. It's not like a hot porn like that. Yeah, and there's no cockleding or any of that shit. Well, there's no guys there.
Starting point is 00:18:39 But the woman can have that as well as I understand it. And it's not like that. It's just our pleasure. And it's just. Well, let me just tell you, cockles, there's a lot of pleasure going and there's a lot of love. It's not like you're better higher tier than the cuckled. I think that you think like you're like higher tier.
Starting point is 00:18:54 I think of myself. Higher tier. Yeah, I know you do. It's like gross. You're not having higher tier. Everyone's the same fucking tier. Give me a break. Higher tier.
Starting point is 00:19:02 That's so stupid. I think the whole idea of pretending that you don't know that she's getting solution. There's no pretending in those situations. They know. That's what they loved. If there was a pretending, it would be called cheating, which that's what you're doing.
Starting point is 00:19:16 But these guys that are, these guys that are cuckolding, are in the know. They're jerking off the whole time that they know it's happening. I don't think you get it, but let's just go on. That doesn't matter. So you have that hot threesome with the masseuse. So you were always able to screw other people, right? Well, not always able. It was something that we did together. I never, I never, I went and did something with somebody else, and she was Ennesees. And she's, I should say, she's, she's lovely. She's really attractive and She's sexy.
Starting point is 00:19:51 And I just fell into something. Okay, so let me ask you this. And this whole time that you were doing all these other things, you were fucking in public, too. You have that going on, right? You're like a little bit of an exhibitionist. You did that? Yeah, a lot of an exhibitionist. I love that.
Starting point is 00:20:08 Okay. So you guys, I know that COVID wound up hitting, and of course, you couldn't go do any of these things. Did you wind up going back to the lifestyle at all since? Never. Never. We took a trip. It just wasn't the same.
Starting point is 00:20:26 We couldn't get into it. It just, it just, and don't love each other because we do. And I would do nothing to hurt her. I'm not, I'm not in any way. I didn't plan what's occurred now. It just happened. No, I know. And listen, that does, that's the, that's the way you go sometimes.
Starting point is 00:20:56 That's why I like to have cheating stories on because I think you have to listen to the whole story to really understand it. And not every single person who's a cheater, you can't put them all in the same category. But what I want to know is, because you did say, because I called it cheating, and you're just like, maybe I don't think it is that. and I'm just compartmentalizing it and let me explain. Is it because your wife allowed you to fuck women before in front of her that you think you kind of have a free pass? Because it doesn't sound like you ever talk to her. I think if she knew about this, she would be really heard. All right.
Starting point is 00:21:28 So you weren't cheating on your wife, right? I know that even in your confession, you try to act like this is a, you call it a unique story. To me, it's a cheating story. It's actually unique. Yeah, I think it's actually worse than a regular cheating story because it's your wife's best. friend, oh my God. Well, but again, I didn't plan this. No, of course not. Her best friend is from Thailand. Okay. She always liked each other. We always, she asked to me that she was a dick anyway and that she was going to, we took a long walk. It was a city you could walk in. And we,
Starting point is 00:22:31 we said, good night. And she went home. And then she said, can you, she once again, because it really made me feel better. And I said, sure. And when we saw each other, It was like there was what she was feeling and protective, but I also felt like there have been maybe the one in a restaurant. Again, it's four or five times since we started doing this. And in this particular time, we basically went out to this restaurant bar, a very elegant old world type place, and we sat in the back and it was very quiet and kind of dark and mahoganyed and whatever.
Starting point is 00:23:42 And we had never kissed, and it wasn't planned. And we just, and I package, but she's delicious and looked at me and arrived out of here. And we got back to where I was staying. She kind of, she's on the smaller. The three women are all different heights and different types of looks. And she just jumped into my arms. And she fit like a glove and off of my clothes. And when I'm making love now with my wife, we have to use lubrication.
Starting point is 00:24:44 And it's very sort of. Of course, it's new. It's all new, of course. It's going to be better. And it's cheating, which makes it hot. She's saying stuff to me. She's saying stuff to me like, do me from behind. I love that.
Starting point is 00:25:02 And then she's very, very loud. 45 minutes. I went out of it again. And then by the time I came out of her the second time, I noticed it was blood all over the heady, and she stayed for a couple of hours beyond that. And we just hugged each other and talked to Europe. And we had the most unbelievable week together in Europe.
Starting point is 00:25:49 where I love my wife. She loves my wife. We discussed it. And nobody wanted to hurt anybody, and nobody wanted to have this go public because of the families and the communities were in and all the rest of that. But when I left quiet on me that she was having trouble,
Starting point is 00:26:24 I just loved this one looking at me and hugged me and all the passion that I'm missing, I felt like she was, and she's so good to me. And so I didn't have guilt. I know you're going to ask love for both of them. And I was like for the, I once said to the Thai girl,
Starting point is 00:27:04 I wish I could both of you together. It's everything a guy would want. But as I could feel when we kiss goodbye, she began running away. And over the last three years, she basically should come here or whatever. And I never pushed you for a while. We went out to dinner with this guy
Starting point is 00:27:37 who I thought was a loser, and she knew I thought he was a loser. And we were kind of talking at the table, and I'm never talking about. but the other two meaning your wife is there my wife was there and her boyfriend was there and based telling me don't criticize i i have a life too and but nobody's hearing it but the died by then and she came up solo and spent the week and that was bizarre because frowned together but she was running out of a mountainous location and it was it was i basically had put about a month
Starting point is 00:28:39 ago and she said she was thinking about me and i knew that she loved me and and And so like talking and at some point we did the disease and everything you said to me while we were together was right. Any advice you gave me or any feelings that you gave me, I know now that I love you. I love you with all my heart. I didn't promise anything or whatever. But I do love her. And we're in content messaging. We haven't seen each other.
Starting point is 00:29:27 And I'm dying to see her, but I know that if I do, I'm going to get lost. in the city with all my heart and I'm not leaving my wife so I didn't promise anything or whatever but I do love her and I messaging we haven't seen each other and I'm dying to see her but I know that if I do I'm gonna get lost in the situation for a while um how many times did you actually hook up with her well let's say that we probably hooked up five nights so two times two different times you've seen her and hooked up with her but then Probably four times, probably four times in the States and then a week in Europe. But I'm just saying...
Starting point is 00:30:25 So if you take four and seven is 11, and we're averaging four or five times, it's 50 or 60 times. I don't mean how many times do you fucker. How many times do you have... Okay, you're counting. A high five. Okay, great. You're like a fucking man. You fucked 60 times.
Starting point is 00:30:42 I'll give you the medal, okay? Let's get past that. I don't give a fuck about that. I'm not impressed. I'm not impressed. I know how to use it. I know how to make a woman come. Okay.
Starting point is 00:30:50 but I'm not focusing on how great of a lover you are. We don't care. No one cares. I'm focusing about like your relationship with this girl and your quote unquote love for her. I'm wondering how many times you did see her. It doesn't sound like you guys had a lot of time together as lovers. I know you fucked a lot and you're great and bad and all that shit. And it was like really intense and amazing and supercharged as cheating sex with a new person always is.
Starting point is 00:31:14 Okay. It's never bad. It's always better than that person that you've been banging for 20 years at home. of course it's going to be better. And it's something new. And listen, that thing of not having that passion at home and feeling that and really probably going towards that girl more because of that is a very common reason why people do cheat. You're feeling that thing that you haven't felt in your primary relationship in a long time.
Starting point is 00:31:35 It's a reason why men and women cheat always. It's very common. But I'm wondering, after that time that you saw her in Europe for that whole week, you didn't, you haven't been with her for a long time, right? Like romantically? But you're still whole. you still consider yourself, quote, unquote, in love with her? Yes.
Starting point is 00:31:56 Do you think you love the idea of that feeling of what you don't have with your wife? No, I love the way she kisses me. I love the way she holds me. I love the way we talk together. I love spending time with her. I love the affection she showed me. I love her. And I know what love is.
Starting point is 00:32:14 I'm not a child. I understand what love is. Yes, that's funny. And you're saying it's like a shining new penny. and you're all excited because it's it's one off, but you fuck somebody 80 times. No, not one off. Not one off.
Starting point is 00:32:26 No, no, no. Fucking someone 80 times and that time and now we're, first of all, before it was 60, now it's 80. By the end of this, it's going to be you fucked her 150 times. I know. I know you're patting yourself on the back. You got a big fucking ego. It's like hilarious.
Starting point is 00:32:42 If you were my friend, oh my God, I would be laughing at you all the time because you got a vibe about you. That's fucking hilarious. Okay, you're like a character. But listen, I mean, the fact that you, that you can't see that it might not be true love. I think you love the sex and you love the thing. I mean, you've been with her two times. Like, you haven't been with her that much is all I'm saying. You haven't spent like every day with her.
Starting point is 00:33:03 It's four nights in the States. It's seven nights overseas. You do sound like a child now. But leaving that aside, okay, for a moment. I love talking to her. I love, I like the interplay between us. I love the affection. It's not just the fun. So, yeah, sure I love to fuck about it is the person, just as I love my wife. Yeah. I can tell you unequivocally, I love my wife. But you're not involved with her anymore, really, and you guys haven't slept with each other for a while.
Starting point is 00:33:37 It sounds like maybe her conscious got, like, the better of her, and she didn't want to do that to her friend. Obviously, that's the reason why she runs from you, correct? Yeah, but she's now not running. And for the past month's day, and we're talking, and we're doing it without sex, because we're not in the same location. And one of the reasons that I haven't made plans to go visit her is that maybe starting up would put I feel badly or whatever. But, you know, at the end of the day, clearly what I like about her is her.
Starting point is 00:34:20 It's not just fucking her. No, and I think that that's a smart alternative. Listen, you want this girl in your life. You really enjoy her company. You get a lot out of even just talking to her. It's way smarter, I think, to throw the sex out the window so you, don't have to feel bad. She doesn't have to run.
Starting point is 00:34:37 I want to fuck her again, though. I know. She does take my breath. She does take my breath away. Okay, you're just going to argue with everything. I say, okay, so, but right now, that's not on the table, right? Well, it could be. If I got on a plane tomorrow, she's going to fuck me.
Starting point is 00:34:51 It's not without, but I'm trying to control, and then I've got this other situation that's popped up, and I didn't plan that either. So let's get to that situation. So this woman's from Eastern Year 9. This woman is a good six feet. She's basically my height. And speech overseas, we just talked. Again, it just happened.
Starting point is 00:35:29 I didn't plan anything, but we ended up in bed. And she came over the next night, and since then we're just in contact just about every day. And she likes me, and I like her. I'm not in love with her. It's not the same as the Thai girl. But it's like a different variation. She's bauxham and she's curvy, but she's thin. I like thin women.
Starting point is 00:35:50 and my wife is lanky, but a little shorter, and probably a little, probably about 10 years older, and lovely, lovely women. And she would, you could put the Thai woman on somebody's shoulders, and then she would be the same size with this woman. So it's just a different experience. But the one thing I will tell you, in this case, I agree with everything you're saying about cheap. It wasn't as good as good as I had with the Thai woman. For all the experiences, my beauty, I just loved her, and every time I'm with her, I just
Starting point is 00:36:36 Yeah, listen I mean, I do personally feel like the cheating aspect combined with the fact that this woman you do have history with her, you know her very well. Those kinds of layers
Starting point is 00:36:53 definitely add to that experience. I've fucked guys who are like my best friends and the sex, even if there's no love there, the sex is 10,000 times better and more layer than when I fuck a stranger, right? because you have all that history and you know them as a person. So it's a totally different experience.
Starting point is 00:37:10 Of course it's going to be great. And I do, sorry, I do think that you add the cheating in and it adds something to it. So, I mean, I'd be more surprised if you told me the sex wasn't good. But if you think I'm getting off on the cheating. I'm just saying that the sex is with her, of course, is going to be better than the other person. That's all I'm saying. You're relax. You're just like, you got to, you're a contrarian.
Starting point is 00:37:32 You're a lot of fucking things, okay? You're also a contrarian. You can't agree with what fucking thing I say. I like everybody. I like characters. I mean, you got like a douchebag vibe a little bit. But I say that in the nicest way. Kind of.
Starting point is 00:37:45 A little bit. That's not me. A little bit. You're a little bit like you think you're better than everybody. That's like a douchebag vibe to me. And I think you would wear that as a badge of honor. I don't think I'm better than anybody. Okay.
Starting point is 00:37:56 What I am is an older guy who shouldn't be attracting really pretty women like this. And I think it's because I've got a certain type of personality that is honest. And I don't lie. Like the woman in Eastern Europe, I told her right away I'm married. And I could have tried to hide that, but I didn't. I know. But some people would say, okay, we could say, yeah, you're very honest with the people you're cheating with, but you're not honest with your wife.
Starting point is 00:38:22 So you're not completely an honest person because your wife is not in the know. I love her too. I don't want to hurt. I know. But does that make you honest? Or nice? Yeah, I think so. You really?
Starting point is 00:38:32 I think it makes me honest. And I think, look, there's something else that's a twist that I'll give you. I've got a major health issue. And it's not that I can't deal day to day, whether or not I end up in a wheelchair or whatever. I'm not sure what's going to happen. And I've got to continue to play the regimen. I'm conscious of time. So in a way, I'm glad to have these experiences while I still can.
Starting point is 00:39:00 I don't know whether that will last 30 years or 20 years or five years. There's no telling. It's not something I can control, even though I do the things I can control, if that makes sense. Yeah, of course. When did that diagnosis come down the thing for you? Like, when did you find that out? About seven years ago.
Starting point is 00:39:17 So seven years ago. But you've been okay and able to do still. I have moments. Okay. Do you want to mention what it is, or you just want to just throw that in there that this is like a part of maybe the reason? Whatever I tell you dementia, I don't have a shower or feed myself. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:58 That's so fucking scary. And there's, no one could tell you if you're going to wake up tomorrow and that's going to happen. Like you kind of live with that knowing that it's always in the horizon. That's scary. What you do, what you do, Kathy, is you follow the regimen troll. Yeah. And grandchildren, and I, like that guy, you're moaning all the time and you're looking for sympathy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:24 So I'm strong and I'm physically strong. And my doctor says to me that if I didn't have this condition, I'd be really healthy because all my tests are good. All my blood work is good. whatever and I'm not heavy and I'm in good shape and I exercise but it definitely gets tougher all the time and one of the things that I'm good things happen in me but at the end of the day clearly I would like to if it ever happens that I can't right so let me ask you this as far as like am I still a douche after that you got a douchebag vibe there's nothing wrong with that girls
Starting point is 00:41:08 like douchebags I'm sorry like you take it negatively I don't think it's you know I think of a douchebag is a swarmy sort of asshole-y type guy I'm not that guy Oh, I think of a douchebag of somebody like that kind of thinks they're better than other people and is a little puffed up. I know where my strengths are. I know where my weaknesses are. I can tell you one thing. I'm a good lover. If I wasn't, if I wasn't, none of these women would come back for more, I think. Okay. Yeah, obviously, if you could fuck 60 times in a week, that's great. I give you that badge of honor. She turned me on. I was just, I just couldn't get enough of her. Yeah, yeah, I get it. So let me ask you this, though, about your wife because you've got this thing going on with your wife. Have you tried to ignite the passion again in your relationship with your wife?
Starting point is 00:41:57 This was a woman that was very open. She was going to sex parties with you. She was down to have threesomes with women. Have you not tried to focus on your sex life with your wife and make it better? Life moves on sometimes with people. I think there's a bit of a shelf life, if you will, on past. It's why I'm not sure that you can be in love completely over your head. Maybe people can convince themselves they are, but I think at a certain point, shelf life,
Starting point is 00:42:38 maybe it's 10 years, maybe it's 20. I didn't desire my ex-wife. And she was a very attractive woman, also from an overseas location, very exotic and very lovely and very talented and very smart. With my wife now, she's just a giver and a care giver, and she would be there for me. and I can count on her, and I know we have similar values. And I've got a bond with her that goes beyond anything anybody else could give me. And I'm not, don't get it, I'm going to love her until I die.
Starting point is 00:43:32 But you don't have any intention. Like, you feel like that ship has sailed, and so there's no point in trying to work on it? I just think that it's become like a thing. She gets everything ready a certain way, and sometimes she takes her top off, sometimes she doesn't. And fucking a sweatshirt is probably the most, unimaginative, unfuckable thing you can imagine. Okay, but I mean, okay, but this is a woman that used to let girls go down on her. You get a pussy sucked by other women.
Starting point is 00:44:01 I get it, but it's, it's, again, I think she's gone past that. I asked her recently, would you want to go back to a sex party just to get our, get our Jones on? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not interested in that anymore, and I don't want to do that. And I didn't press it. So the point I'm making is that I, can love my wife and I can love her with I love spending time with her I don't I don't want to
Starting point is 00:44:34 make it sound like I don't spend time with her I enjoy her but she's just not naturally as affectionate as the Thai girl in particular and Eastern European woman is also very very affectionate she's also a very nice woman all three women they're very nice there's no there's nobody who would meet them and not really say these are lovely terrific women all of them and I'm I and some ways, and maybe this is the undushy thing, but in some ways, I actually feel very grateful find somebody I can hook up with. In all cases, it just happened. It was natural, it was organic, and with all three of them, they're just really great people, and I'm really privileged to have time with them. I do, though, think, unfortunately, for your wife, that when there is a problem in the marriage,
Starting point is 00:45:38 if one of those, if one person in the marriage winds up going and solving that problem by getting their needs met by somebody outside of the marriage, then they're less likely to do the work that it would take to resolve the issue in the primary relationship because you don't need to. You're getting your needs met other places. So you're fulfilled. But you're talking to them all the time. I'm just saying that you are, I understand why you don't have the need or the desire to really fix things with your wife because you kind of have fulfilled the part of you that was missing something with these other women. They're fulfilling that part of you. They're filling you up.
Starting point is 00:46:26 You feel fulfilled. You got three checks. They all give you something that you want and you're happy and content. What's the game? Mary fuck or kill? I wouldn't kill any of them. Yeah, yeah, no, I get that. It's very obvious you like them all.
Starting point is 00:46:40 They're all serving a purpose for you. Each one bring something different to the table. The Thai woman, the Thai woman, even when she just shows up again and says, you know, I've had you on my mind or whatever, it makes me feel like warm and fuzzy all over. It's like, you know, 18-year-old whose girlfriend decided to go to the prom. Of course. That's why cheating situations happen because they do offer that kind of passion, that a relationship that's been. together for 40 years is lacking. It goes away. There's a very different thing than a long-term relationship than an affair. They have definitely different fields to them. The affairs are always more
Starting point is 00:47:18 supercharged. Can I say something else? I think I'll shock you. Yeah. I respect her for trying to get away from me. I didn't pursue her. And if she had never come back, initiated, because I respect it was the right thing and she was struggling with what the right thing was. And we may get together physically the talk that I feel I have, I wouldn't turn that down. And certainly the Eastern European woman, I pass through where she is every few months, and we'll have a few nights together, and then we'll try how to give one up. I just have this, I think it's romantic love for the Thai woman, and for my wife, I've got the grip of love. And when you add those three together, it's really, it's kind of an interesting package and the fact that they want to be with me, there is an ego stroke to that.
Starting point is 00:48:23 And I'm grateful for that. Yeah, I'm telling you, these are all the reasons why people do wind up cheating. It does fulfill certain things within yourself. And it does fill up certain things that you're not getting in that long-term relationship, things that have flown out the window because, like you said, your life gets busy, time goes by, you've got family kids, there's a lot of things that you're tending to in that relationship that you're never going to tend to with a woman who you're not with and you're not dating, who lives in another country, who you're close with and is just your friend.
Starting point is 00:48:54 It's never going to be the same. You cannot compare. Well, even if I was to take, I know that we come from different values. We come from different types of ethnicities and backgrounds and religions and all of that. And I'm better served as a lifestyle. but I will tell you if I could go on a desert island for a couple of weeks with the Thai girl, that would be my best fantasy to have at this point. You mean just like for two weeks or something, you mean?
Starting point is 00:49:44 Yeah, just so we were, you know, hugging and kissing and mnuggling and fucking and, you know, all the things that we like to do. And I just, I love looking at her. You know, I love looking at all three of them, to be honest, but they're all beautiful women. They call me a cheater again, but. well you are a cheater come on you are you're not you don't feel bad about what you're doing so why okay let me ask you this because it's interesting i i love putting these stories out there because it's like they're they're definite this is going to be a definite conversation starter okay i can't wait to
Starting point is 00:50:19 hear right how people chime in here and i love this episode i love how much you disagree with me i love how you stand firm and what you fucking think and everything like i really i do i i like you too so thank you for yeah so but what i want to know is why don't you like answer that question because so many people are going to be like but you are a cheater like you're doing this behind your wife's back she doesn't know if she found out she'd be upset she definitely think it's cheating why don't you believe it is like how have you compartmentalized it in your brain so you don't file it as I'm a cheater what do you file it as I feel like in other words to myself I don't fool myself I'm not going to I've got ground rules set in my
Starting point is 00:51:07 own head. And the ground rules I've shared, for example, the Eastern European woman, she said to me, ultimately I'd like to be married and I'd like to have another baby. She has a daughter. And I said to her, well, on the first one, I'm not leaving my marriage. So good luck on that. I feel like there's no unsaid thing on that level. Now, my wife doesn't know about it. It's true. It would endanger her lifestyle. You know, I'm not bringing somebody home and fucking are in my bed, are mentalized. In terms of the tie-guards, girl. I think it's an idyllic love. I think it's like the love that they write about. And love has tragedy and it has pathos and it has happiness and it has meaning. And I love the idea that I can
Starting point is 00:52:05 love in my 60s. And I can be passionate about somebody. And but I all the girl's relationship, it's a longer term relationship than I've had with them or with her. And I know that there's a conflict there for her. And I know she's also fragile. What her real cheating is. because it was with like prostitutes and stuff. Most people would say you're kind of cheating is worse. Actually, I would. If I had to, like, as I talk about this all the time, I always say, like, you can't put them all in one cat, the same category.
Starting point is 00:52:43 You can't put the philanderer in with the guy whose wife has been in menopause for 10 years that didn't fuck him, and he went and saw an escort. You know what I mean? Those two guys are very different. They're coming from a very different place, very different backstory. You can't judge them equally if you're going to be judging about it, right? And so it's interesting to me, and this is where I think the douche-bag quality comes in, which I like. I think you're fucking funny.
Starting point is 00:53:07 Okay. And is where you think the guy who's fucking the prostitutes is worse than the guy who's fucking and in love with his wife's best friend. Oh, my gosh. Because I know she's clean. I know she's not going to give me a disease. Oh, yeah. So you think every prostitute has a disease? I mean, that's kind of like a douche-y-same.
Starting point is 00:53:25 Well, no, I just think if you fuck indiscriminately, somewhere you have a chance of catching something. Well, listen, most prostitutes are very into safe sex. This is a business for them, and they do it on the up and up. And I'm sorry, but a guy has the right to put a condom on. And so if that guy's fucking prostitutes, you'd hope that that's what he's doing. I know the answer to this question's a hard no, but if you ever wore a condom, you'd understand why. That's so restricting and putting a raincoat on in the sunshine. I love it. So you fuck your girls without condoms, too. I fuck both of them without condoms. But then I'm fucking anybody else. Oh my gosh.
Starting point is 00:53:57 Okay. They're just loyal to you. Yes, they are. Okay. You think that's so unusual? You think that the girl, the Eastern European girl, who's six feet tall, has got a curvy body and she's skinny. She's a model.
Starting point is 00:54:10 She's a model. You think she's not fucking anybody else except you? I think she's, I think when she met me, she stopped fucking anybody else because, oh my God, this is the best part of this whole episode. People are spitting their coffee out as they're listening. That's so fucking funny. No, let me, let me say this, dude. She lives in a country.
Starting point is 00:54:28 She lives in a country where she would be visible. If she was out with guys every night, I would know about it. It's a small country. So you know everybody that lives in her country and they would report back to you? I know enough people that the party scene is a very... Oh, my God. You're so fucking funny. I love that.
Starting point is 00:54:44 Listen, I think that the big difference between me and you and where there's this big disconnect is... I'm like the opposite. Like, you're at one end of a spectrum and I'm at the total other. Well, you're a lot more cynical, though. No, no, no. I'm not cynical. I'm like very much like a realist.
Starting point is 00:54:57 I live in major reality, almost to an extreme. Like, if, like, I always make jokes. If some guy put flower petals to, well, like a bed, I would like immediately get on wet. I don't think that's hot. Just stop and let me talk, okay, for one fucking second. So I'm very much like a realist. But I do think, though, that you were at the, so the opposite end of the spectrum where you were so, like, highly romanticized. You almost live in a novel in, you know, in this, like, fantasy land place.
Starting point is 00:55:24 Are either one of us wrong? Like, no, it's just who we are. You know, I just think that that's the disconnect with me and you're talking to each other that adds to it, you know? Because the fact that you think that this fucking supermodel chick isn't banging every guy she sees to try and replace you because you're never going to give her a baby and she's just happy with you, a guy that she's going to have no future with that doesn't live there,
Starting point is 00:55:49 you're out of your mind. You work for now, but she's trying to make a future. for herself. Are you dating the dumbest woman alive? No. No. I think she's actually very intelligent. Yeah, so there's no way she's not going on dates and trying to meet other guys and fucking them. And anyone that fucks you with that
Starting point is 00:56:06 economy, fuck someone else with that conum. So you're just not that much better than the guy that was fucking prostitutes, okay? So say what you needed to say. Why does go and like the town? She's got a mother who's ill. She's got a father. She supports. She's got a brother and a family. She helps.
Starting point is 00:56:28 She's got in her, not so little actually, but mid-teens, deadbeat. She's not looking to go out and go into nightclubs and fuck guys. That's not her first priority. She wants to have something that allows her to have two things, and I give her both. One is she needs somebody to talk to, and somebody who can advise her and somebody who can help her, create a better life for herself, and maybe help her with opportunities, because I can introduce her to people and whatever, with no strings attached. And I've said to her many times, I'll continue doing it.
Starting point is 00:57:05 this whether we're involved or not. This is not contained. I know where you're going with this. We have to end because we're like at an hour. But listen, I know where you're going with this with her. I would just say that I'm not saying that she's out banging the world. I'm just saying that there's no way that eventually, if not now, if she met a guy at Starbucks because she's a hot bitch and guys probably hit on her all the time, that if she
Starting point is 00:57:25 was interested, there's no way she's not taking that date with that guy because of you. That's all I'm saying. I think that... I think as long as it lasts. As long as it lasts, she's going to ride with me. And then in terms of the Thai girl, I think if you listen to this, you'll get the secret of the sauce, if you will. Yeah. I think her thing is she actually really loves me.
Starting point is 00:57:47 And I think that in a way, that's why she got back in touch with me. I didn't violate that. I didn't push her. I do tell her I love her and I do love her. But at the end of the day, she clearly has a feeling for me that both, scares her and repels her in a way. And it's like a moth with a flame. She still wants to go to the flame because I think she knows we're good together.
Starting point is 00:58:17 And in limited circumstances, obviously, I'm not suggesting we had a life together. But my wife and I have had a life together. And so, in a way, I'm really blessed. I could be in a wheelchair five years from now. And I could be still as active as I have to me part of it. It's not up to me. The close of all of this, I've had these experiences for as long. as they last, but I'll stay with my wife because she is my wife. I'm cheating. Cheating is
Starting point is 00:58:51 somebody who, in my mind, is looking to do it in a sleazy way or do it where they're, I can't even describe. I just got to tell you this, and then we have to wrap it up. I could talk to you for two more hours because I love your opinions that are so opposite mine. I respect anyone that has conviction for what they fucking believe, even if it's not my opinion. But like, I, I, I, I like you too. Yeah, I just want to tell you, though, that, you know, the guy who's out there, like this guy, quote-unquote, that you're, you know, putting beneath you that is like fucking prostitutes or whatever, like, trust me, it doesn't feel sleazy to them. They're not doing it because it feels sleazy. Most of them are making best friends with those prostitutes.
Starting point is 00:59:35 I've heard their stories, and they're so close with them, and they're talking to them, and they're developing relationships. They're feeling the same thing. It's not the guy, even the philanderer. They're doing it for the same reason, and they're having the. same experience. You're not that different. I'm telling you that that's impossible. Okay. Because when you kiss somebody you love, as opposed to kissing somebody who's getting paid for an hour, the feeling is different. Look, I was a stud when I was younger, and I fucked many, many, many women. And I can tell you, fucking without love is like fucking with a condo. It's exactly
Starting point is 01:00:10 that. It should have a condom. It's a good metaphor for that type of fucking. Because it's nothing. You don't want to kiss the person. You don't want to be kissed by the person. You just want to get off. She just wants to get your dollars and move on. And I never fucked prostitutes. I never fucked escorts. I never... Okay, but I'm just saying you're not, like, I know that you think that that guy is more of a scumbag,
Starting point is 01:00:31 but some people would think, like, falling in love with somebody else, and then fucking them behind your wife's back is way worse than the guy that's not even kissing someone and just fucking someone because, you know, just to get their rocks off. Like, some people would think you're worse. The distinction is I didn't plan it.
Starting point is 01:00:47 It happened. Yeah. It wasn't planned on either side. It just happened. Particularly with a tie girl. I was drawn to her, and I've been drawn to her every minute of every day in my waking moments since we got together. I know. I get it.
Starting point is 01:01:03 I love your little story. I think that you're living in it. It's really fulfilling you. I appreciate your honesty. I dig your conviction for how you feel and how you see things. I think we all frame things the way we feel. the way we frame things and that's the way it exists for us and that's just fucking it. I don't think we ever really got an explanation of why you don't think it's cheating or I think you finally
Starting point is 01:01:27 got to it. I think some people will disagree, but that's how you sit with it. That's how you frame it. And I think it's super interesting. And I, like I said, I appreciate you calling in and telling your story because I think it's definitely going to be a conversation story. So I can't wait to hear what people think. And thank you so much for calling in. Listen, I always say like the cheaters who feel really guilty about what they're doing, those are the ones that get caught. I would say to you, make sure your wife never finds out. She probably never will, because you have no confliction about what you're doing. You're very clear about it. And also, I treat her being in love she deserves. I definitely love my wife. I've said that many times in this conversation. I say it again, I love her.
Starting point is 01:02:10 We know, I know. I know. And that's what's interesting. I love the Eastern European girl. What can I tell you? And we could all say, in your world, all those things could exist at the same time and be true. It's not like, oh, you're cheating on your wife because you can't fucking stand her. It has nothing to do with that. It's just that there was something lacking. You found it someplace else. You continue on. You're fulfilled. Okay, so listen, what do we call you? What's your fucking name? James. James. Thanks for calling in and entertaining. This was fun talking to you. I had fun talking to you. You as well. You know how to reach me if you ever want to reach you. All right. Thanks, James. Thanks for calling in. Your episode will be up soon, okay? Thanks very much. Thanks, thanks. Bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that,
Starting point is 01:02:49 My book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in paperback and e-book, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck story.
Starting point is 01:03:20 There's a gang being girl story. Like I said, 17 stories. And they're all told in the third person, and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person. And I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like Penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica.
Starting point is 01:03:41 I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories. 17 of them. They're really short. chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format. And finally, the audiobook is available coming out August 25th. But you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint. Okay. There's no way you get into my
Starting point is 01:04:15 Discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay, I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other. And that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you can win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total, strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private, like I said. All you got to do is email, me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook, the e-book, or the paperback. Send it to me at Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com.
Starting point is 01:04:56 That's Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com. And I will send you the link to Discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in. This is the Strictly Anonymous Podcast.

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