Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1205 - Jonah has Been Jerking Off with Guys Behind his Wife’s Back for the Past 12 Years?!

Episode Date: August 26, 2025

Jonah has been jerking off with guys behind his wife’s back for the past twelve years and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in the hear all the details including when and how he got into jerking off with guys and what he enjoys about it, how he’s not attracted to men and just enjoyed watching porn while jerking off with them, when he started living out his kink in real life, where he met the guys and the first guy he met up with with and how he felt afterwards, what he looks for in the guys and exactly what he likes to do with them, the one time he doing further with a guy and why he didn’t enjoy it, the younger guy he jerked off with and exactly what went down with him and why it was a fun experience, how and why he learned it’s important to be very clear about what he’s into before he meets up with a guy, the oldest guy he did it with and what went down, how long he typically spends watching pirn and jerking off with a guy, the demographics of the guys he does this with and how most are married, how many guys he’s jerked off with and how often he does it, how and why he’s starting to feel guilty about doing this behind his wife’s back, how he can get his wife into watching porn with him so he can stop doing it with men plus a whole lot more.  **To see HOT pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712   Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed.   Sponsors:  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://vb.health⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To get 10% off Drive Boost by VB Health use code: STRICTLY ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Get your first month of the new Blewchew Max FREE! use code: STRICTLYANON ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://viia.co/STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Try VIIA and use code STRICTLYANON for great SEX and sleep ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://butterwellness.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Use the code “STRICTLY” at checkout for 20% off your entire order ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://beducate.me/pd2520-anonymous⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Use code: ANONYMOUS to get 50% off your yearly pass plus get a 14-day money-back guarantee To get $15 OFF your female oxytocin arousal tablets and more, use code STRICTLY here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://shamelesscare.sjv.io/xLQ3Jv⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow me! Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Everything else ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcas⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Jonah has a very interesting, specific kink that he's into. And so, of course, he has a very interesting story. This is a married guy. He's not into guys, but what he's in? into is jerking off with them while they watch porn and talk to each other about the porn. It's very specific. It's about the camaraderie. At the beginning when he was first explaining it to me, I was like, it can't be about the camaraderie. I don't know. But like the more he talks about it, it's like it's so specific. It's very interesting to me exactly what he wants. It's not about the guy

because he's not into guys. He doesn't touch them. It's just jerking off and he talks all about it. He explains when this kink started for him. Why it started, I try to dig as deep as I can to find out as many details as possible because I was kind of fascinated by it because like I said, this isn't a guy that's blowing guys or banging them or anything. It's just, they're just jerking off and ogling women together. It's really about his love of women. And he's met a lot of guys. And he's met guys of all ages, race, you know, most of them are married. We talk about all of it. He gives some stories like the youngest guy, the oldest guy. He talks about stuff that he learned in the beginning where he found these guys. He's been doing it in a long time. He's starting to kind of wind down and start to feel

bad about it because he is a married guy. And we talk a lot about that at the end throughout the whole story. It's super interesting, like I said, because it's so specific. To me, what's interesting about it is that there are guys like this out there. Like, this is something that, you know, plenty of guys are into, even though it sounds very specific and you don't think, you know, anyone would be into this. There are guys that are into it. He's not the only one, okay? So anyway, I'm going to get right to going to be right back on with Jonah. Hi, Jonah. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you today? Doing well. How are you? I'm good. So listen, Jonah, you live a little bit of a secret life. And you don't feel good about it, which is a plus, I personally think, but is also a negative because I sometimes think the people who don't feel right about what they do are the ones who get fucking busted eventually.

You know, that guilt eventually. I don't know. It sends you down the river. But you have this whole life, You're a married guy, you're married to a woman, but you do see dudes on the side. But you're not like blowing them or getting banged in the ass with them. You're like jerking off with them, like masturbating, but no touching each other, correct? That's correct. Yeah, very specific and interesting, you know. And we're going to get the whole story. So like, let me ask you this, Jonah.

Like, how long have you been married to your wife? About 15 years? 15? Yep. Okay. All right. So now do you have a great, like, marriage with your wife and everything's fine and the sex is great and everything and you totally dick her and you dig women and everything? But you just, like, once in a while, like the guy thing?

Yeah. I mean, I'm very happy and the sex is pretty good. But I guess there's other, for some reason, this other thing provide satisfaction, sexual satisfaction. Right, that your wife can't give you, though. I'm just saying it's like apples and oranges, right? It's not like... It's different. Right, it's not like you're in a sexless marriage and your wife isn't doing anything and you can't get anything there so you're going with these guys.

It's like it's two separate things, correct? Yeah, I mean, there could be more sex with my life and I'd be very happy, but I don't feel like it's her problem, so to speak. Yeah, totally. Okay, so you've been married for that long. Now, when did you start to realize that you were interested in guys? Like, is it all the way back when you were younger? Did you have any, like, one, you know, let's go there. You know, I don't, it's funny because I'm not really attracted.

I'm not attracted to guys. I just, for some reason, it's like hanging out with somebody and doing something a bit more. And so I would say when I was a teenager, you know, guys at school would talk about, like, porn or something that they had their hands on. And I had my ways of getting hands and stuff, too. But I was afraid to talk about it. But I always was kind of curious about maybe I was just hanging out with people. and masturbating and showing out and sharing porn. But that's what your friends would do?

I don't understand it. I don't know why it's hard to understand you. Okay. So they would talk at school, like you'd be walking someplace or something, and they'd be like, oh, yeah, I was over at so-and-so's house, and we were walking with dad's porn, or they'd say after school, like, I'm going to go home and jerk off to pets or something on video. And I was doing the same thing by myself, but I was.

I guess I was always I always wanted to be somebody who could hang out with friends and watch it and enjoy it and share what you like and But it was like a turn on to you? Like was that a turn on to? Just the camaraderie of it though

Well listen you could get camaraderie In a lot of ways with guys and I'm assuming you did You know guys are fucking hang out with guys right So you have this group of friends You're getting your camaraderie I mean I think there's a little bit different There's a difference between the regular camaraderie and jerking off with a guy camaraderie.

Like there's got to be like a turn on to it or something, right? That's a little bit extra because you could get camaraderie with your guy friends by going to like a football game. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. So I guess I do, it is exciting, it's actually exciting to just be hanging out and kind of watching porn, like if you're, I don't know, the video or photos, whatever, starting with one kind of thing and just kind of exploring what's there and

what you like. It's fun to see what puts people over the edge as well. And one hand, I guess, it's like a validation in terms of liking what you like, but then also usually when you're drinking off with people, like, let's say, for example, if you're watching a video or something with a guy and you're just chatting, you're both stroking off to it, listening on a couch or something, and then somebody just goes quiet and you look over and they're unloading. I don't know, it's fun.

It's kind of, I don't know why, but. it's cool and it's people of all different walks of life right so it could be anybody but I've always craved that and I guess in my adult life I was able to kind of pursue it right but when you were younger for some reason like this started to pop into your head like oh because listen everybody jerks off right and everyone knows that other guys are jerking off but a lot people don't kind of want to put those things together but you did like there was a curiosity for you like oh what would it be like if I could hang out with these guys and we could all jerk off together.

And even just, I guess I like vocalizing what I like about things and I like, you know, they're vocal about it. So even just like saying like, oh, look at her, she's beautiful. Yeah. I don't know, I'm a boob guy. I like to see how other people like.

And so there was that part of it as well because it's interactive. I think you're sitting there quiet. It's like you're sharing things. And I guess it almost like a confession, the public confession with them about what you're into, fun. And you were never able to do that with a girl? I guess I was just too shy.

To bring it up to a girl, but not shy with guys. Well, I didn't start doing this until I was an adult, so I was shy as a teenager, for sure. Right. So is it doing it with a guy is like the turn-on, and if you did it with the girl, it wouldn't be? Because you're making it seem like you want someone to talk to and you want to ogle and you want to do that, right? So you could do that with a woman, you know, and I'm just wondering, did you never bring it up to one of your girls or the woman that you're with because that's not like your kink, like it needs to be a guy? That is a good question, and I'm not 100% sure, but I think being a guy does help a little bit. Right. And maybe it's because those early fantasies of yours,

you know what I mean? So you were like, that's like what you were thinking about early on, right? Because you, that's the only people you were talking to, right? You're young, you're talking to your guy friends. They're talking about jerking off. You're not talking about to girls about jerking off, right? So you didn't get wired into thinking that you could jerk off with them, right? Yeah, but the guy thing was something that was openly discussed and maybe that's something that you started to think about when you would get like horny?

Because that's how you wired yourself into things. Well, I guess I never thought about, I knew obviously that people talked about early exposure being, as you say, it becomes part of her wiring. And I thought about that as well, because of course, we all wonder why we are the way we are. But I never realized that somebody would think it was that true, that you get wired that early and hard to lose that. Well, it's very specific, you know.

You know, that's all, I mean, like, I like to really analyze shit. You know what I'm saying? Some people wouldn't even put two and two together and be like, whatever, who cares? But, like, I like to always tie things back. Because like I said, it is very specific. When I'm, like, kind of backing you into the corners and asking you these questions, it seems like you might not even know the answers because you haven't sort of thought it through,

but maybe that is the case. Because, listen, you've never blown a guy, correct, or gone any farther with a guy? I should probably ask that question now. Just once, and I didn't do it again because it really wasn't my cup of tea, but I tried it. Right. So you've been there, done that. And if it was your cup of tea, you would have continued, obviously, because you're going after what you're into. but it really is a specific thing.

I'm calling it a kink. It's something that you're into, right? It's very specific. And you're very shy when you're younger. But you also know that you like girls too, right? Did you ever question your sexuality because you kind of like wanted to watch a guy jerk off? Or was it not really about that?

I think maybe there was a, without going to, like with an older thing to myself, I was, I guess, curious, but I never, like there was lots of opportunities to do more with people. often, like when you first start out and you don't really know how to set something up, you find people who's interest are not exactly what yours are, or they're not telling you everything you want to do

because maybe they're very bisexual. And then you get in the situation, they're like, do you want to... Go farther. Yeah. Give me one. And it's like, well, mostly, I would say 99% of the time. No, I don't, I just want to hang out.

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but of course I tried it but it never did anything for me so I guess uh I don't know if I answers the question well my question just was like where you ever like because listen if you're sitting there fantasizing secretly to yourself because you're so shy and you haven't done it and you're jerking off to like hanging out with guys jerking off and you're thinking of them jerking off with you whether you would question your sexuality and be like what does this mean or if it would be confusing to you because it's not like a it's not like a quote unquote totally like regular things thing to be thinking about when you're jerking off. You know what I mean? So I just always wonder if like you, it was confusing because you're sitting with this by, you know, I know eventually you go online,

you start talking to other people. And the great thing about the internet is you start to realize like, listen, you have this kink. That means there's millions of other people that have it too, right? You've obviously met those people. But before that, you know, here you are this young kid sort of thinking about all this stuff and keeping it to himself. I would wonder if is, is it confusing to you? Is it like whatever, you know, or you were very sort of clear about like, I'm into women and I just, like, this is just something that I want for the camaraderie. I guess I was a little bit curious, but mostly I knew it was pretty, I was pretty solid in what my orientation was. Like, because I would always go back to, like, I never looked for nail porn, for example. Exactly.

Right. I mean, I like fucking, I like fucking. Like, I remember seeing my first come shots on video and that was pretty impressive. but it wasn't the guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think every guy likes a cum shot, and it's not because he likes a guy. I don't know what it is,

but it's, you know, I think that it's a guy thing. All right, so, okay, so let's go to the point where you start to, like, cross the line. Now, do you start seeing guys and doing this with them when you're,

by the time you're with your wife, or did it start before her? No, it was after I met my wife. Okay, so you meet your wife, you guys get married, and then, What happens, you know, or what do you do? Like, what's your first steps towards, you know, making this happen in real life?

I was just, I think you've probably tried rooms I learned about Craigslist. And Craigslist was, let's just say it made it very easy to find people with similar interests. And I was living in a big city, so there was lots of people. And the first time I tried to set it up, it happened. I mean, I was very nervous, but it happened pretty quickly. And it was easy. I guess I was just a circumstance where they had a lot of virulability and their privacy and it wasn't too far off. And I just made, kind of showed up.

And that was something that there was other things about I didn't like, which was useful. Like, for example, he was pretty bisexual. They would say something like, you know, after about probably an hour or so, he was like, I like your lips. and I was like, oh, this is a sign that this is going a place I'm not interested in going. Yeah. And so we kind of finished, and it was fine, and I didn't hold it against my thinking because we were strangers,

and I was exploring something that I wasn't 100% certain about myself. But it helped kind of clarify, I guess, kind of a practice, with the way to process to kind of set up future things that, for the most part, were closer to what I was looking for, but there's always surprises. Guys sometimes don't tell you everything that they're, looking for. Of course. Of course. Because they know if they put that, they're going to get less people. And maybe they're like fine with you saying no to something, right? So they don't have to be

bisexual with you even if they are. But let me just walk me through that first time though. I mean, like, this is the first time you're kind of like going to quote unquote cheat on your wife. I know I'm wondering, like do you consider this cheating what you do? Well, this is, I feel like the more like the older I get, the more I feel like, okay, this is not what I want to do because I do feel like it's cheating. So I've done less and less of it. Okay. But I don't feel, I mean, it didn't intend it that way, that's for sure. And it was just something I didn't know how to raise. What do you mean, raise? Talk about. But talk about with her and I didn't want to jeopardize everything. But I mean, I still enjoy it in a sense, but I do agree. Like, I feel like it's

the older I get, the more inappropriate I find it. Yeah, but let's stay with it when you're young, Like this first time, like post-nut clarity. There you are. You finally lived out your fantasy, okay, that you talked about. You went looking for it. So that was like super naughty. I'm sure you were like, you know, as you're looking for it, that's even foreplay, right? Because you're like getting close to actually.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, exactly. You're looking for it. You're about to do it. You can't believe it. Like that's all hot. And then you actually do it. Okay.

And this is the first time you do something. You don't sound like a guy who's ever probably most likely cheated before, right? not like a and just because someone's on a cheater doesn't mean they won't eventually cheat one day like anybody could wind up in situations like no one should judge right i don't think that you know there are some people that are like just boring fucking cheaters right like they never can't be faithful but that's not the majority of people you know so here you are a guy that's following his urge you finally follow it you'd come and you're at the strange guy's house who just jizzed as well with you like do you feel like what like how do you feel afterwards I think Like if the vibe is good And it was fun And there was no pressure Then it feels great

Like satisfying Like oh that was wonderful Oh really There could be There could be a round two If it's really good Like I've done it Multiple rounds with guys sometimes

Yeah Like usually it's just once In that case it was once But did you feel like a like Freaked out about it Because like Yeah a little bit I remember leaving thinking

Like the world was watching me And I felt pretty insecure Yeah And worried, for sure. I did it again, and it was still probably just as nerve-wracking. But I think eventually you just feel like you're asking the right questions to make sure with somebody safe and that's a super private situation. And then you start to realize you're going to get away with it.

You're realizing you can do it and get away with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. But in the same way, like, people can do other things that are private without, you know, I don't know what, but like people have private. alive generally, but it gets in the same way that you can go and buy parts, privately if you want to do.

You're going to go to the doctor's appointment. No, I'm just saying that like a part of your angst must have been like, oh, what if I get caught on my wife? You're doing something like that you can jeopardize your marriage. But over time, you're going to start to think, you know, and this is what I think happens. And you said it is over time, you start to realize like, oh, no, this is like easier than I thought.

Like, I could do this and not get caught. and like in everything, and I could have both worlds. Like both things can exist, right? And now you got your cake and eat it too. Somewhat, yeah, yeah. I've almost, I feel like I can eat less and less cake, but yes, yeah, I agree. Like, that is true. Like, there's a, I mean, I'm happy I explored it.

I do enjoy it. I'm not saying I wouldn't do it again ever, but it's becoming less often. And then it's best when the other guy is also chill with it, and then it's stressful when you're not chill with it. Like he's worried about people finding him. all, you know, anxiety written, then it's not really enjoyable experience. Yeah, well, I'm going to get you a lot. I'm going to get a lot more experiences from you, okay?

I definitely am going to get a lot more experiences with you, but I have one more question. So has your wife ever caught you, or have you ever been close to getting caught, something happened, you fucked up somehow, or has she never had one inkling about what you're doing? Far as I know, she has no idea. Okay, so never been caught, never, nothing like that. Okay, cool. So after that first time, like you started to learn, like everybody does, right? You know, like what to look for or what not to look for. Like, you know, did you just continue on Craigslist? Like, were you posting ads or were you replying to ads or were you doing both? I would say both. Yeah, yeah, right up to the time when I think they, at some point they took down a lot of postings. But right up until that time, I would say that that was the primary place. And I was posting some. And,

I was certainly responding to some too. And what would you look for in the guys? Like, because you're not hooking up with them, right? So, like, do you give a shit if they're well hung or they look good or they're old or they're young? No, they've been all kinds. They've been all ages, I'd say. Really?

Like, guys in their 20s, guys in the 60s, you know, fat and different backgrounds, with white, brown, Asian, a black. and blue collar, white collar. And if they ask me for like face pics or dickpicks or whatever, I never do that, because it's not about that for me. I always ask, like, I'm looking for straight guys who like jacking off in company to, like, hot women. Yeah, interesting.

I like amateur kind of style of porn, so I always focus on that. And I try to get as many things that line up with, sometimes people want to share people. They say they know. I don't believe that. but they felt like their partners or just random people that say they know. But I don't think that's 90% of the time. But these people really are. But that can be fun.

Well, listen, I've heard for guys, I remember having this one episode really early on. And it was a guy from Craigslist. I got all my colors from Craigslist for years, okay? Because nobody was emailing me to be on my show back in the day when I first started. So I had to find people. And Craigslist was my pot of gold. I found everything there.

It was great. Yeah. Yeah, and but I have to say, I remember having a guy who was like you and that he liked to jerk off, but him and his guy, he had this one guy he did it with. And the minute his girl would go like on work trips, his friend would come over and they'd like sniff each other's wives' panties and jerk off together. So, I mean, there is. Right. But like there is a, there is a kink where these guys that like to do this with another guy, they do like to share pictures of their wives or whatever or their parents. You know what I mean?

That is an extended version of this kink, but you don't have that, right? It's more like you just want to watch regular porn. I reopen to it. I mean, I mean, I have shared just like, I would say, like normal photos of certain women I like who I know, but like not very often. Your wife? Never face pictures. Okay, but naked pictures of her or something? Just tits, yeah.

Right, okay. With another guy? Yes. Yeah, same shit of the guy sniffing panties, I hate to say. there you are like sharing your wife and you're getting off on her with another guy. I feel like, well, you might, you're right. I guess in a sense, I mean, lots of boobs look similar. So I guess there's.

Oh, you don't tell them that it's your wife. No, no, I would. Just by my point that they wouldn't be able to verify either. They wouldn't recognize her, for example. No, no, no. I know. No, no. I know.

You're not outing your wife, but you're sharing your wife. It's the, it's the, it's a, it's a, It's pretty, it's great when a guy, when you're, like, you're, whatever, wherever you start, whatever material you start, you finally get into something, like a comfort zone for something. That's really close to what your interests are. And when they really really like it, like, oh, yeah, she's beautiful or this girl's beautiful. That's hot, for sure. And they can kind of reveal a part of their life. Sometimes that can be fun.

Yeah, that's what I've heard. I've talked to those guys. Like I said, I know that it's an extension of that kink that you have is sometimes to share partners. Because you were like, sometimes these people say they're sharing. people that they know, but I don't really believe it. But I'm like, it's probably true. Well, I think maybe in some cases, but sometimes it's all like, like super beautiful people. And it's like, you don't know all these people who are people coming old. I mean, beauty is beauty. Like, I love a girl next door. Yeah. But, but you don't all just model.

So like, it's not really believable. Yeah, I get it. All right. So tell me about some more experiences. So you go on to Craigslist, you start meeting people. Like, talk about your oldest person. your youngest, your hottest, you know, give me a variety. Oh, geez. Well, somebody was younger. When I was about 40, somebody responded to just visiting town on business, which often works out well. And he wanted to meet up and we met up.

And he was nervous. Usually what I try to do is I try to meet them away from wherever we're going to jerk off first and walk to the space where we're going to do it just to get a vibe. Sometimes, as we were saying, they're not very honest, but they're not always honest about what they're looking for, and it kind of comes out in conversation sometimes. Oh, okay. So you learned that trick beforehand, like you like to vet them a little bit. That's smart. Uh-huh.

Yeah. We'll meet with a subway, whatever. We'll walk from the subway to the hotel or something like that or something like this. And that's great. Anyways, this guy, we were checking a girl as we were walking to the place and just, like, not doing anything obvious, but just say, oh, she's beautiful. It's kind of pointing what we liked. And then by the time we got up to the hotel room and he put on what he liked, and I was sharing some stuff that I liked.

And he came something like four times, like two and a half hours. And I only came twice, but I found it interesting that it was like, it was for me very satisfying. Like I wasn't trying to rush myself or anything, but he was into it. And that was pretty fun. Wow. I'll never look at two guys walking down the street, ogling girls together again. Sorry, I'm missing.

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have thought that you two walking down the road we're going to go do what you do? You know, because I think this is what I think my show is here to say is not like that any of these things are normal and everyone should do them. It's more about like the fact that like these are things that people do do. Sorry, to say, you know, the shit does go down and you wouldn't believe it, right? It's kind of crazy.

Well, I listen to your show, so I know people are wilder than I am, but there's all types out there. No, I like your thing because it's so specific. I think it's actually wilder to be so specific. You know what I mean? Well, that's funny to me because I worry about that because like this weird, almost like a complex, but then often I find guys are looking for all kinds of stuff and I'm super vanilla next to them. Yeah, exactly. It's all relative. I'm going to have a kink therapist on soon. She read he just booked. So I'm going to ask her about that for you.

Okay. But yeah, no, I don't think that that makes any. You know, it's just a kid. It's just something that you're into. I don't think it's any better, worse, weird, or not weird, you know. But anyway. So, all right. So that guy was a young guy and he was cool.

Have you had any like, like, are there times? And I'm assuming maybe yes, that you have met a guy down the street ahead of time and just felt like, you know what, this isn't going to work. And if that happens, how do you turn, like, what do you say? How do you get out of that? Well, you're both very clear about what you're going to be doing, right? Exactly. So it's pretty clear.

Like, you're going to go, you're going to take at least your pants off for to take your dick out, and you're going to be going to be shrieking. Where's the porn playing? Where's the porn playing? Sorry, I keep interrupting you. Where's the porn playing on the phone or, like, on a, are you in a hotel? In a hotel, it can be a computer hooked up to the TV for more. variety.

It's always nice when you're sitting on the couch. It's a nice big couch. You're on top of each other, but you're in the same area and a big screen TV. There's no shyness about what you're looking at that point. You can see if they're digging it or not. And before I get to that point, like if you get the wrong vibe, like this person just is too nervous, which to me is a big turnoff and a warning sign. Or they're just too loud, maybe even, like they're just talking to, like, they're just talking to

loud and you're worried about like the person having no sense of limits whatsoever or uh they're just they bring up at the last minute like oh do you mind if i blow your cock and it's like oh okay we're done we're not looking for the same thing i learned the hard way that it's worse to be disappointed for everybody uh because it sucks being ghosted for everybody yeah but it's better to flat outside you know we're just looking for different things i don't explain myself this isn't going to work. He just part ways. But I've met some guys on a repeat basis. And when I got to like something more than jerking off together, that was where they would ghost me. That's why I think I try to be so clear about what my expectations are, what my limits are. I always ask them what their

limits are. And some of the guys are like, well, what do you mean? And say, well, are you like, is there anything else you're looking for or anything that would turn you off that I need to know about before we do this. And we're so far better that way. It's better not to meet them at all if they're not on the same page. But nobody wants a creeper in their home. And nobody wants blue balls. You know what I mean?

Who wants to come expecting something's going to happen and it's not? And anyone that fucking lies and does a bait and switch, it's like, you know, they're the assholes. Not you, if you turn them down. They just wasted your time because, you know, no one's going to be happy. And it's their fault for not being honest.

up front. Mm-hmm. Right? I think so. Yeah. What's the oldest guy you've been with? And how did that go? Oh, I think probably 65 or so, 60, 65.

Mm-hmm. And he was just, I was traveling in, uh, on business and I put out a dad. And, uh, he responded and he had a place and everything. And he was, it was, I actually was, it was fun because I, I like a little bit of age gap in terms of, like, I like sometimes the older guys on, you know, women porn. Yeah. So for him,

everything was like that, pretty much, that I was looking at. So it was kind of fun to see him, so excited about young women and, he had good taste in women as well, like the same kind of women I like, but it was fun, yeah.

But, I mean, they're always able to keep it as hard, and, but I've seen, I've seen guys in their 60s blow huge lows, which surprised me as well, because you think that's a young man thing. But,

you know, it could be, a very healthy sexual guy at 60 and it's fun to see them get off the same stuff. And now that you're a professional and you've been doing this for a while, like after you do come, it sounds like, you know, if you like the guy and things are cool and you have the time, you do wind up staying for a while. Sometimes these meetings take place for how long? Like, what's the like?

Well, the shorter since it's like half an hour. Okay. Because you've got to settle in and, you know, you know, some guys come hard, but I don't really, I mean, I would say I'm, like I said, I feel like an energy or like a buzz, so I'm like, turn on, didn't take them on to get hard, but I don't necessarily get hard right away. Yeah. Until you're into the stuff you really enjoy watching.

But it could be half an hour and just one load each and then there's not much instead, because maybe the vibe wasn't quite right. Yeah. Maybe you didn't really enjoy each other than the company that much. Other times, depending on how much time you have, you just don't. kind of, even as you're just kind of chilling out, then you've come, ties up a bit or whatever if you need to.

Somebody might ask, like, do you want to watch some more, and then no time at all, you realize you're both getting hard again. So the longest I've done it is like three hours, I think, but usually it's like an hour. I'd sound like to happen to an hour. And I like at least two loads,

but sometimes one is enough. And if it doesn't, you don't have to feel bad about it just be once and never again with certain people. Right. Super fun when it's a repeat. I'd say. Oh, how come? Because you feel more, like, comfortable with them to talk to them and everything? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like, you can say whatever you want. And you know the pages they're on,

you know, ideally have something new to share, but sometimes they can share something you saw again, you haven't found. So you get to see it again. And it's like comrade, I guess, like you're both on the same page, but it doesn't complicate your real life. Yeah. And like, do you both show up with ideas of, like, the exact porn you want to watch, or do you just go into like a porn website and start looking for like the hottest. Yeah. That's a great question. So I would find people typically on Craigslist when I could, but now it's other places.

But I always chat with them a lot on messenger services, like a lot. And if they didn't want to chat, I wouldn't really ever offer to meet them or anything because it's like I need the communication beforehand. And what kind of messenger services? What are you talking about? Oh, God. Well, I'm not as young as I used to be, so they've changed a lot. But like Skype used to be really good for it.

Oh, okay. But you would actually talk to them on the phone is what you're saying. Well, either you could voice chat for sure, which is a lot of them. Or you just text, you just chat through the messenger typing, but you could share like pouring back and forth, like files, like pictures and things. And if they're sending you stuff back, it's like 100% what you're into, then it's, and sometimes people are, when you meet them, going to, well, I'm not really sure what I'm looking for. I may not want to meet. It's fine, right, because you're still going to chat online and have a great time. but sometimes it shapes up for like after a couple times they're like you know what let's try this out let's try to meet and because maybe they're traveling in the same area or something and it's great what it happens it's like a delayed gratification yeah what who are these guys that

you're meeting I know that they're like all age all race are they typically married guys are they straight guys are they gay guys in open relationships I mean do you ever get their backstories Not a lot. I mean, if they arrive in a suit, they give you an idea, sometimes they're, like, they dress differently, so like, you can kind of glean what their background might be. But it's usually business people, I'd say, and I would say married guys from the most part, but sometimes, sometimes divorce guys, it's single, yeah, I mean, sometimes there's people, you know, clearly it's family life is important to them because they have to rush off to some family thing afterwards, but it's fun. all sorts, all types, I've been surprised to say this about, like, because I don't ask them what they are in advance. I might ask them for something I can identify them by if we're like on the street or something, like trying to meet them for the first time, like what are he wearing, whatever. But I don't ask them what their background is beforehand, but it's always surprising. Like it's, I would say it's mostly white guys, but it's also people from

different backgrounds. Right. But mostly married guys? I would say so probably Yeah yeah it's interesting right that this many people are into that Because it's very specific like I said It seems kind of harmless too right like if you can do it and you're not trying to make a big thing out of it It feels at the time like it's kind of harmless and I don't know that's obviously I'm at this point in my life I'm wondering even if it is meant to be harmless it's not where it might be problematic So I'm trying to be very sensitive to that I'm exploring that by at the time it's just

like it seems really super harmless. You're just thinking out. Yeah, because that's all you're doing. But for your wife, if she found out, and this is why you feel, it's more, it's not about, like, it's about so much more. There's so much to it that she would be upset about, you know. There's no difference then if you found out she was going and jerking off with women someplace and not telling you.

It would be about the lies. I guess I would be sad that she wasn't telling me, but it would also be turned on. Yeah, yeah, that's the difference between men and women. Yeah. She'd be horrified, okay? if she found out what you were doing. And it wouldn't be, oh, it's harmless. You're not doing anything.

You know, it's more the lying. Because at this point, how many years have you been doing this kind of thing while you've been married? Probably like 12 or so. Right. And how many guys do you think you've done this with? Like, is it hundreds? Is it like...

I don't think, not hundreds, but I do sometimes think back from the different experiences. and sometimes you're chatting with guys are asking how often you've done it or they want to know how often you've repeated the same guys or if it's just one of us. So they ask for all that. And I don't know if they couldn't say exactly, but I'm guessing probably around 40, probably over time.

Yeah. Right. And it goes and spits and spurs. Sometimes it's like months between it and sometimes you're like, oh, it's a busy month. There's a couple of people of guys around who want to do this. And there's no rhyme of reasons of that, really. Yeah. And what do you think is happening within you that's making you feel a little differently about it?

Do you feel like, oh, you've got your fill of it and you don't need it as much? And so you're thinking maybe I shouldn't do this anyway. So you're allowing those feelings of like maybe this isn't right to, you know, think to sort of come to light. So you maybe will stop. I mean, because like you said for a long time, you saw it as harmless. But lately you've been feeling like maybe it's something that you should stop. Why now? I'm not 100% sure, and it might be partly that I've had my fellow to the extent, but I think mostly if you just find new ways of appreciating people, and so your relationship continues to deepen, and you appreciate things more, people more, your wife more. And so I guess it's just kind of a mindfulness around that. And then also, I don't want to, I guess I'm more aware of the harm it can cause.

So, but I don't think it should be that way. It really bothers me. In society, it has to be that way. Listen, it doesn't have to be that way if you were like straight up honest so many years ago. You know what I mean? It's just that. And I'm not saying, like, listen, like I said, I don't think most people set out to have affairs or to start cheating or to like go down paths that maybe aren't so correct. You know what I mean?

Most people aren't so manipulative ahead of time thinking this is what they're going to do. you know, I don't think it comes from that place. Sometimes things fucking happen. And here you are 12 years later and you're doing all this stuff. And you are cheating on your wife. And now you're starting to feel like because you're changing as a person that you might think that this is like not right. But you didn't before. But it's not like, you know, you couldn't have told your wife or your partner about this and done it somehow.

I don't know. There's a lot of people now, younger people especially, I think are going into relationships much more honest about. what they're into. It is sad that when it comes to sex, right? The fact is that there's a lot of these guys married guys doing this and not just doing what you're doing, doing a lot of other things that they call into my show about. I had a friend, my first co-host of my show, Tommy, he owned a really famous gay bar in the city and it was like one of the top ones and I would go there to hang out sometimes and all the guys at the bars had wedding rings on. They would leave their offices in New York City, go have a couple drinks in the gay bar because then they're cruising and they're there to and

they're hooking up with dudes and then they're getting on that six o'clock train to go home to their wives, you know, full of it. And because guy and guy action is there's so much stigma around it, there's so many reasons for it. And it is sad that you couldn't be straight up on us. But at the end of the day, unfortunately, you weren't, right? It would be a hard sell. Like, what do you say to a woman?

Like, hey, do you mind if I go like, I have this, like, kink? I mean, if you were like starting a new relationship, like bring it up somehow. I don't know how you would, like, what is your solution now that you don't feel right about it and you're thinking of tapering it? Is it about you wanting to maybe live this fantasy out with your wife or maybe just do it online or stop doing it or talk to her about it? Like what is, would be like what does your future look like if it doesn't, if you're not actually doing this in real life with guys? I think, well, I think I'll answer that. For the most part, I think I would be. satisfied. I think I'm just feeling

like I'm more satisfied and therefore I don't have to desire to do it. Yeah. But I also just don't want to upset things. So I don't want to hurt anybody. So I guess I'm just more aware of that. And so that's really it.

And I probably, I mean, eventually I'm sure I just won't do it at all and then solved. I can move past it and forget about it. Have you talked to your wife about your interest in porn and watching porn? Does she even know that you look at porn and enjoy it? I don't think she knows. She doesn't know as much

about that as I would want her to you, but I don't know how to talk to her about it either, but it's not a big part of our lives together, for sure. But I have to say, like, it can be, okay? Like, you're still fucking alive. I have had so many stories of people who were, like,

even in sexless marriages, who completely changed the game by just beginning to talk about sex. Now, it is a very hard thing to bring up the first time, right? But it's like a domino effect. Like the first domino that goes down, then everything else follows. You don't even know what your girl is probably into because you're so busy like talking to other guys about what you're into. You're not like communicating in that way with her. But like, you know, what would be the big deal for you to start maybe having more conversations about

what you guys are into sexually just to add some spice in the bedroom? And you know what? There's really good things out there now to help you do that. Like there's like books that have questions that prompt, you know, couples to talk about things. So then you can reveal things to partners or there's apps that do it. And those are really good ways. But like if you started to maybe change the game with your wife, like you don't know that a lot of women are repressed because like besides the stigma for guy on guy action, the big stigma was like a girl that likes sex is a slut or a whore. So women were very repressed when I was growing up with their sexuality and most of them don't know a fucking thing about themselves. But it's not.

that they're not sexual beings. Your wife... Yeah, your wife probably has a lot of kinks and things. Maybe she likes tits too. And if you were watching porn with her, a lot of women watch that kind of porn. You know what I mean? But like you've never probably talked about that with her.

And what's the big deal to talk about your wife with your wife about porn? I mean, or watch a movie together. Have you ever watched porn together? Just like, not porn, but we've watched movies with sex. No, but porn. No, we're going on porn. No, we haven't. Yeah, porn is a different thing.

So that's a totally different thing. Why not bring that into the bad room? That's a great question. And so far down the road, I don't know why. Like, why now and not before? I have no idea why. I know why? Because you were getting your needs mess elsewhere.

That's why people that are in terrible marriages that are cheating. They're less likely to do the work in their marriage to fix it because whatever is missing in their marriage, they're going and getting it filled up someplace else. So they're whole. You know what I'm saying? So why are they going to go do the harder work? The harder work for you is to get your needs met with your wife, right? Because that is uncomfortable.

You're a shy kind of guy. You haven't brought this up in your whole marriage. So I think it's even harder sometimes. You know what I mean when you've been with someone longer than if you met a girl tomorrow to just bring it up first date, right? Because she's going to be like, who the fuck are you? You know, or like whatever. But there are gentle ways to start bringing it into.

the conversation, but as long as it's available to you elsewhere, and you know, you're not looking for girls to do this with you. You're looking for guys. And I always make jokes about, like, or I tell like my guy friends, straight ones, like you should be fucking gay. Like, you'd have a lot more fun. You know what I mean? Guys are just down for guy stuff a lot more than girls are, right? Like it's not, you would never be able to find all the girl, like, you know, 80 girls or wherever many girls to jerk off with you in a hotel room to porn and talk about it with you. But it was easy for you to find those guys, right? It's not like you weren't getting hit up, okay?

You could have 40 more, but you're like a, you know, a grown-ass adult with a real life, right? But if you started when you were young and had all the time in the world, you'd be hundreds of guys. Because guys are down. You know, it's a little harder with women. But I do think there is a way to bring this up in your marriage. And I think it's if you started denying yourself sort of getting. those needs met elsewhere, then maybe you'd be forced when those needs came up to maybe put them in their place, which would be like, let's see if me and my wife could watch together. And even it's just

you talking about it and stuff. Do you guys talk dirty to each other? Yeah, but like the best sex we ever have is when we're, she's like, we're talking about sex or her fantasies and things. But it never goes great. It's great. And it's the best. Like for days after it. But maybe that's how you start, yeah, but maybe that's how you start the conversation with her. Like, hey, you know what? Like, don't you notice that the best sex we have is when we do this? Why don't we do that more?

Like, let's do that tonight. And then you don't have to come straight out and say, I want you to watch porn together and let's talk about the girls' big tits while we're watching it. You know what I mean? That could come over time. But if you guys go there, start with that. Complement her. Like, it's so hot to me when you did that.

And I remember this time. and for some reason I was thinking about it. Like, let's do that because that to me is like the hottest. And then I keep that going. Yeah. I'm just spending a little time trying to help you because, listen, when I hear, I would not be going down this path. If you're like, fine, you're doing your thing.

I'm not like you're the moral compass. Like, you have your own, right? Like, I don't tell anyone what the fuck to do, really. But when someone calls me and they do feel slightly bad about something, like I do like to go to the place. where I could try to offer solutions for them to stop because there is a part of you that wants to stop, right? Yeah. Yeah.

I appreciate what you're saying. Yeah. It actually means a lot. Yeah. Yeah. So I think if you bring up the fact, because like you, that whole thing that you just said, the hottest sex you have is whatever, you say that exact thing to her and say, I don't know why I was thinking about that. I was so horny for you. It made me think about us together.

Like, can we do that again? And then eventually you could be like ask her about her fantasies more because that's what you said. It was talking about fantasies, correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hearing her say what she wants is great. What were the type of things that she wanted? Well, some of it's ridiculous. Some of it's just like celebrity chat or whatever.

Like if you could have like a whole pass once, who would have it before and whatever. Okay. But like what led to that hottest sex? No, it's okay, but that's okay. That's where it starts. You know what I mean? She, just like you've never told her your deepest desires, there's no way she doesn't have some deeper desire she hasn't copped to you about because she could be shy about them as well. No different than you feeling weird about bringing all this up to someone you've been with for a long time. Same thing for her. I mean, she's not going to come right out and be like, oh, by the way, like, I'm secretly interested and get turned on by seeing two women go down on her. but that very well could be the case.

You just don't know. And it's more fun anyway if it takes time, right? Like you're exploring it. Yeah. There's no final moment that you're building up for. It's lots of good moments together.

Yeah. And just like the way you wired yourself into doing it with guys, like maybe like because listen, you have this very layered the feelings for your wife, right? So, you know, the sex is going to be better with her and maybe because you have all of that with her too.

if you can rap to her about porn, right? Like now you're like, you get to the point where you are with those guys and you could do it with her. Like maybe it'll be the most fulfilling thing. Like maybe it'll be great, you know, talking about it with her and doing, because that camaraderie is going to be the best because she's the person you're closest to. Yeah. I don't know, you know, but I don't, but, you know, it's worth a try while you're trying to wean yourself off of doing it. because the last thing you ever want is to get caught, right? Because like you said, it's so meaningless.

It's it's just like a fucking jerk off session. To lose this thing that you have, which is your wife, for it would be catastrophic and terrible. It wouldn't be worth it, right? So, you know, start weaning off. Try to deny yourself. Just stop fucking doing it. And start trying to force yourself to focus.

on living out your fantasies with your wife and getting to that thing. And there's plenty of couples who have changed the game by, like I said, adding questions into the conversation. And there are, like I said, books that prompt you, apps that prompt you. There was a guy on my show who wrote a book. It was such a great episode because he has a book. It was like a hundred questions and you ask every day your partner. And some of them are not about sex, but some of them are. And once you start talking about it, it really changes the game. Cool. And that's what you need.

Oh my God. It was so funny because it was such a dumb name and I went off on him because he had like a dumb name of his title and a of the book and a dumb cover. But it was such a great concept and I think I sold a lot of books for him. I got to find the name for you. But yeah, I don't know how that book could wind up in your house, right? And how it winds and how you bring it up. But just have the balls to have that first.

uncomfortable conversation to just like sort of change the game and bring this up and start talking about it. I think like I said you go in with the compliment of how the hottest sex was when she told you these things and you want to do that more, blah, blah, blah. Why not? I have told her that too. Like, like Lundered in bad years chatting and you talk about sex. Yeah. Yeah. She knows. I can't really turn on when she's telling me about what she wants and what she likes. I mean, she's not very explicit, which is fine. But like it, like I said, I know it's a road that you're traveling and you're getting to the point where you can be more and more open, but I need more of that for sure. Yeah, you got to keep talking.

And you do have to get a little bit more explicit. And the next time you're talking after like three or four times, you could say like, hey, like you want to like, you know, like watch porn together? Like we never did that. Like I think that would be like hot. Why not? Yeah. All she's going to say is no. And who cares?

She's not going to divorce you. But you know what? She's going to divorce you if she finds out what you're doing with guys. Okay, so which would you rather do? Yeah, yeah, it's clear. Very good point. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, 100%.

Yeah, so I think that you should start trying to, because you want to, and I always get worried, and I've said this before, like, you know, I always get worried, like when there is a part of yourself that, like, wants something to end, but you're not taking the initiative to end it. And I make this analogy, it's like the person at work, who's always walking around, I hate my job, I hate my job.

They eventually get fired from their job if they don't leave themselves. You know, it's kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy. You kind of like sabotage your own self because that part of you that wants to stop will win. But do you want to start with your head up high or with your head hanging down low? I totally agree, especially at a personal level of responsibility. Like for me, I totally understand what you're saying. But I will also say that it's pretty fun like when you're jerking off, gone a couple rounds. you feel great.

You've had so much chat. Like, open, you've been verbal about, like, everything you've been seeing. Yeah. That's great. It's fun. And they look so satisfied. Yeah. Like, they just, like, you're stranger or maybe not, maybe it's a repeat.

And, you know, if you both, who knows what they're going back to? Like, you work, their family life, whatever else, or kids stuff, whatever. Yeah. And, uh, but they just look sometimes like, they're smiling and like, let's do this again. And it's, like, I guess that is, that is also rewarding emotionally. And it's not, it is definitely, like, physically rewarding. It's like, you feel great. You're just blown a couple loads.

Yeah. Great stuff. It's meant to get you off. But it's also, like, you see what they take from it. But it's interesting because, like, that seems positive. But we obviously, obviously for everybody, the secret is the problem. Yeah, if you were single, who cares? If you were single, who the fuck cares?

Well, hey, I wish I started doing this when I was like starting to bait on my own as a teenager. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. I wish, and sometimes we talk about those guys. Like, you know, wouldn't this been better when you're a teenager? and no worries. But anyways. Yeah, well, listen, you know, just like I said,

he, the warning, either stop feeling bad about it and just, I don't know, you know, because I worry when people are start to feel guilty, because those are the people who wind up getting caught, not the people who don't fucking care, you know. So try to figure it out. Listen, I know there's a lot of guys that are listening to this because they're into this king and they want it. And they're like, shut the fuck up, Kathy.

Like, what you just said was a great way to end it. Like, at the end of the day, it's fucking hot and you like it. you get something out of it, right? The problem is you're married. Yeah, the problem is you're married. And that's, that's the reality, you know. Well, I appreciate that you respect that as well. Yeah.

Priorities. Yeah, yeah. Unfortunately, live in the reality. You know what I mean? Yeah. And heed the warning. Look, start talking to your girl about sex more. You know, I do wonder, like, the last thing would be like, oh, what, like, you know,

would it, like, if you could start looking with your wife. I sort of painted this fairy tale picture before of like if you did that with your wife, it would be the best thing ever because you're so closer. But maybe it wouldn't be. Like maybe part of the hotness is doing it with a stranger. I don't know, you know. But I think that. Well, it's kind of fun to see strangers.

Yeah, of course. Because as you said, you walk down the street. You have no idea who is doing this. And you're meeting them. Like these people could be from anywhere. Because they are just average guys. Exactly. But some of them are handsome.

Some of them are not. Some of them have looked like they have everything going on at home. some of them don't clearly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what's super interesting. And I wonder if the kick with your wife would be equal, you know?

It probably wouldn't be. But we'll find something else if we, the right thing, if we communicate. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Or you just have to lower your, you know, not expectations, but say, okay, like this isn't as much of a thrill as meeting the guy, but it's a thrill enough that I don't have to live with the guilt, so maybe you just take a little less of what you have, you know what I mean? And that's like a part of being a fucking mature adult.

Like everyone, you just can't have everything you want without fucking consequences. So don't overeat. Yeah, exactly. We have a little less. But if it's a way more than you have now, you know, then that's a, that's a great place to be. So try to get, you know, try to work more with your girl. And keep me posted. I love this.

I love this whole, your whole story. It's super specific, very interested. Make sure to listen to when I have my kink therapist on because she already bugged. I don't know when I'm, you know, because I'm going to bring you up to her. So you'll hear her maybe talk about it. So thanks so much for calling in and sharing your story. It was super interesting. Good luck with everything.

Yeah, sure. Are you going to change my voice? Of course. Of course. Okay. As I'm talking to. Oh, my God. You think I want to get you fucking busted?

No. No. No. Okay. You will be very changed. And then I'll give you free access to my Patreon so you can see the comments as well as free access to my Discord. But don't get naughty on my Discord, okay?

Okay. It is a place where you're going to see all kinds of things. It's very X-rated over there, but it's fun. You'll see it. Okay, I'll give you free access. All right, thanks so much for calling in, Jonah. Thank you so much. Bye.

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