Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1217 - Trey and Scheana Went from Sexless Marriage to Full Swapping an More

Episode Date: September 8, 2025

⁠⁠⁠Trey and Scheana went from a sexless marriage to full swapping and more and they both called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear alll the details including when they got married and when they went from having great sex to having no sex, how and when Sheila started to figure out she was into women and how she brought it up and how that led to Trey bringing up his interest in guys, how and why they’re decided to start couple swapping and what they went looking for, the first couple they started “dating” and what went wrong with them, the Lifestyle campsite they went to and exactly what what went down the first time, their first full swap and how Scheana reacted afterwards, how and why they decided to start a bisexual lifestyle group and started throwingparties, Scheana’s first experience with a woman and what went down, Trey’s first experience with a guy and what went down, the house parties they have and what typically goes down, how they got into pegging and Scheana feels about it, how opening up their marriage has made them closer plus a whole lot more.  **To see HOT pics of TRE & SCHEANA plus my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712   Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed.   Sponsors:  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://viia.co/STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Try VIIA and use code STRICTLYANON for great SEX and sleep ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://butterwellness.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Use the code “STRICTLY” at checkout for 20% off your entire order ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://vb.health⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To get 10% off Drive Boost by VB Health use code: STRICTLY ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://beducate.me/pd2528-anonymous⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Use code: ANONYMOUS to get 50% off your yearly pass plus get a 14-day money-back guarantee ⁠⁠⁠https://uberlube.com/discount/Strictly⁠⁠⁠ Use code: STRICTLY for 10% off Uberlube aka the BEST Lube EVER ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Get your first month of the new Blewchew Max FREE! use code: STRICTLYANON To get $15 OFF your female oxytocin arousal tablets and more, use code STRICTLY here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://shamelesscare.sjv.io/xLQ3Jv⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow me! Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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He's going to fix that soon. He talks about his solution to that that he's going to come to and what he was eventually diagnosed with. But he still, even with his ED, they decided at some point in their sexless marriage to open things up. And it really started with them copping to the fact that they were into the same sex.

They're also a bisexual couple that open things up. Trey's into guys. Sheena's into. women. We talk about, you know, who was first to bring it up and how that conversation is what led them to everything that they're doing now. They have been playing with couples. The first thing they did was go to like a swinger camp out. They met a lot of people. They eventually started to meet up with couples that they met from there. They talk about all their different experiences with couple, their first, you know, soft swap, their first hard swaps, the first time, you know, she knows with a woman, the first time

Trey eventually hooked up with a guy. They wound up starting their own bi, like, swinger group, and they've had parties at their house because, you know, in the lifestyle, in the lifestyle that they were in and where they live, there's no guy on guy action allowed. So they started a little private party, and they have a group, and they talk about that, too. It's a super interesting story. Like I said, I think it's very inspiring because these were, like, literally people that were in a sexless marriage, a good marriage, but it was sexless.

but they are living their best life now. It totally completely changed in the opposite direction. And this is a couple like that literally joined the lifestyle in their 50s. So you're going to love this story. So I'm going to get right to and be right back on with Trey and Sheena. Hi, Trey and Sheena. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. Where are you guys today?

Good. How are you, Kathy? Great. Hello. Yeah, hi, Sheena. Listen, I think you guys are doing great because you are like, I'm probably going to be another inspiring story because you guys are a couple that have been married for a long time, but monogamous for 33 years together. And now you've been in the lifestyle for the past year and a half.

And you're both bicarious. And that's, I'm assuming maybe part of the reason why you guys decided to get into the lifestyle because you both decided to hook up with people of the same sex, both of you? Is that correct? We both got to the point in life where we wanted to explore that. And that's how we got here. Oh, my God. But, okay, so I have a million questions already. So let's go back, though, like, how old were you guys when you first met?

Okay. So we met in high school. Junior year. Yeah, junior year. And we dated for a while, and then we split up for about six months. And we both kind of sowed some wild oats in that six months. And then we got back together. And when we got back together within two months, I was like, this is the woman I'm going to

Yeah, guys are the pickers. They know. Okay, so let me ask you this. For the whole 33 years of your marriage, you had kids and all that kind of stuff, right, like this stuff that everyone does. Do you guys have like great sex that whole time? Was it very vanilla? Oh, well, okay. So in 33 years, we were monogamous. But we were very, very adventurous. Yes. If you had a contest for, you know, who's done it the craziest place, we'd probably win. Okay, where's the craziest place? What's your place? cafeteria table in a daycare dining room. Does someone work there? I mean, is it your kids' daycare? I mean, someone did when she was 17.

Oh, okay. So you guys were always having fun together. So you were equally matched. Yes, we were always both of us, even though we weren't sexually promiscuous with other people, we were always sexually adventurous. Yeah, exactly. Interesting. Okay, so when did the conversation about either one of you or the both of you,

being interested in exploring, you know, hooking up with the same sex come up in your marriage. Was it something that you had always talked about? No, you've got to dial it back about five years. Okay. Because we'd always had a great marriage and a great sex life, very passionate. He never had to worry about was his wife going to be receptive because the wife always wanted to. So that was just not a thing he had to ever worry about. a lot of people did.

But so suddenly we go from having really great hot sex. Maybe not all the time, but, you know, several times a month. At that time, we were in our 40s to, it just stops. Because he stopped responding to my overtures. Oh, okay. So you were asking and he was saying, what were you saying? And why? Just that I didn't feel like it.

I didn't. Well, I started having problems with ED. Okay. And it was intermittent at first. But me being dumb, ignored it, felt embarrassed about it, you know, whatever. And so I didn't talk about it. And. Very common.

It's very common. This is why this is very important to talk about. But nobody talks about it. No, I know. That's why it's important for you. No, but that's why it's important for you to be really honest about this part of your story. Oh yeah. Yeah. And I mean, okay, so, so what happened? It got slower and slower as far as the sex. And at some point, it dropped to basically nothing, probably four years ago or so. Nothing what?

You couldn't get it up at all or you didn't want to have sex at all or both? We didn't touch it all. Okay. And is it because you were so in your head about your E.D? Like, because I always wonder, like, if you have a rectile dysfunction, do you not have a sex drive either? Or do you? or are you like super horny, but you just can't get that. In my case, in my case, no, I didn't. Because when I finally, about two years ago, we talked and I finally started coming out of my head a little bit and went and got my testosterone tested. And it was 153. Wow.

I didn't even. I mean, I had no. Yeah, I mean, I had no sex drive at all. period. Wasn't interested. And once they put me on hormone replacement therapy and testosterone and got it back up, you know, like 7,800, I'm like a 16-year-old kid now. And no more erectile dysfunction.

The only problem is I still had erectile dysfunction. Okay, that's interesting. Okay. And so anyway, while this is all going on, one day we're at 100. home and so one day she brings up swinging and i don't remember why or what but she kind of talked about it and she said uh she confessed to me that she was thought she was by curious and is it because you guys weren't fucking so much uh that you weren't fucking so much sheena that you started thinking about chicks or had you always no if you ask me another truth i was sitting there

yeah i don't i've always been attracted to me and i still am but I was watching a video, a pink video, and this is so, this is, I sound like such a fucking man, but she's running down the beach and I'm watching her little titties bounce. And I was like, oh, fuck, I'm gay. Oh, because you like what you saw. You got a little horny. Oh, I'm definitely a little bit gay. And so I just started thinking about that and thinking back, well, have I always felt that way?

And I just kind of kept it stuffed down. or is this something that as my perspectives have broadened as I've aged that I don't know. I really I don't think I always felt that way but I certainly feel that way now. So

she brought it up and she's talking about it most of the day. Long story short, she winds up talking herself into it and out of it all in one day. Okay.

And if you know me, that totally breath. Yeah, but let me just ask you this, but at the same time, you still have this erectile dysfunction going on, and you still don't know why you have that, even though your testosterone is all fixed and stuff, like you, but you were still having issues, correct? Yes, and that would have been like January of 24. Okay. Mm-hmm.

So, and we're talking about it. And like I said, she kind of shut it back off the end of that day, but it got me to thinking, and I'm somebody that researches stuff to death. If I'm going to buy something, I usually know more than the person I'm buying it. Oh my God, that's me. And so I started. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I started researching swinging and that kind of thing.

And I actually asked a question on one of the Facebook pages. And some people responded. And one lady in particular responded. And it turns out she was actually a lesbian, married to a woman. And she kind of talked me through it and said, first of all, you don't want to push. I get it. She brought it up.

You're interested, you know, whatever. And so that's what I did. So over the next couple of weeks, anytime she would say something about it, I would continue to talk about it. And so we got to the point where, yeah, let's do this. Do what?

Well, you have to swing. Okay. And you have to understand, from my perspective, I had gone from four years, as a person with a very high sex drive, I had gone four years in a sexless marriage. And I really, honestly, to the bottom of my heart, thought it was because he didn't find me attractive anymore. Yeah, it's hard not to personalize that as a woman. Yeah. I mean, you know, every woman has her

insecurities. And I certainly do. I'm a bigger girl. And I was like, it's because I'm fat. It's because I'm old. It's because I'm, you know, and so to hear that that sexual partner that I thought I'd lost forever, I mean, I thought that part of my life was over and it was, I was grieving it because it was a big part of who I was. So to have that suddenly come back, I felt like a kid at Christmas. And I was like, if we're going to do this, we're not getting any younger. Let's be just totally honest. let's talk about what really makes us tick that way. Hey guys, do you know that you have a G spot?

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fat it's because I'm old it's because I'm you know and so to hear that that sexual partner that I thought I'd lost forever. I mean, I thought that part of my life was over and I was, I was grieving it because it was a big part of who I was. So to have that suddenly come back, I felt like a kid at Christmas. And I was like, if we're going to do this, we're not getting any younger. Let's be just totally honest. Let's talk about what really. really makes us tick that way.

I love this. Keep going. And then, so what kind of conversations did you start having? Because eventually, I'm assuming that Trey says something about him maybe possibly being interested in guys? No, I brought it up. I had always wondered. I had always wondered.

I had seen an email a man had written him years ago. And the guy was clearly coming on to him. And he didn't respond. in a way that encouraged the man, but it made my, I was like, oh, and even then, and that was probably 10 years ago, my first instinct, at first I was like, oh, that sick in the pit of your stomach, like, oh, shit. And then I was like, wait a minute, that's fucking hot. Interesting. And so. And that probably surprised you for yourself, right? I mean, who knew? Well, yes, because here's the thing. He wasn't ready to talk about it at that time, because I thought

about it all day. Yeah. I thought, okay, let's go for a drive when he gets home. And I'm just going to tell him that if that's something that he has a need for or an interest in, then we can make that work. And I was going to suggest polyamory then. I was going to say, let's get us a fucking boyfriend. Yeah.

Because I wanted him to be who he truly is all the way, 100%. Yeah. And then I thought about that. for a minute. And I thought, well, you know, flash forward, now we're, now we're in 2024, and I'm remembering that because we tried, I asked him and he denied it. He was like, oh, I just didn't want hers feelings. And I was like, oh, okay. But I never believe that. I mean, come on. And so I from that moment on knew this, but he didn't think I knew it. So I was thinking about it and I was thinking about my curiosities that had started to really grow.

and I thought, wait a minute, if I want him to be 100% who he is, wouldn't he want that for me? Right. So you were ready at that point to be accepting, like go back to accepting the fact that maybe you, you know, feeling that way back then was a real thing. Because you had dismissed it, right? Because you had talked yourself out of it. Yes. I kind of had just pushed it down and ignored it. And then I was like, but wait, if I'm going to champion him being a hundred people, percent authentically him, I deserve that too. Yeah, and that's when you kind of put it together that that is a part of you. Because listen, it's not like you weren't being honest. It was you weren't being with him.

It was you weren't being honest with yourself, right? Right. Neither was I. Yeah. We were both kind of in denial because I had never had any kind of experience with a woman until about six months ago, actually. But so, you know, I was, I was curious, but I had nothing to base it on. Yeah, of course.

And I had actually had something happened to me at 16, an adult, basically orally assaulted me. Oh, my God. It's, you know, unfortunately, that kind of shit is more common than what people think. 16. 16 isn't even that young. I mean, 16. No. Like, seventh grade, I mean, you're in high school at that point, right?

Yeah. Oh, my God. Well, here's the thing about sexual assault. It still feels pretty good when somebody's got their math. mouth on your genitals. So it's very confusing. Yeah, that's what's so fucked up about it. And that's where the wires get very cross and it's really not fair. You know, because your dick has a mind of its own or whatever. And that's there and lies the problem and why that kind of thing could really mess somebody up. Yes. And so I think that had always sparked a curiosity and him. And so I finally

just looked at him and said, look, I think, I think I want, I'm into ticks. Now, I'm always going to be in men. I love men and species, but you know, I think I am and if I'm being honest, I think you have some curiosities about men. And I said, I want you to understand that literally

there's no wrong answer here. Nothing is going to make me unlove you. That ship sailed 34 years ago. So, you know, and so I just, I want you to be real with yourself.

and then in turn be real with me. And he struggled with it. Well, but then at some point in the whole ED thing, after they had done my testosterone, I thought, okay, I'm going to go start therapy. I've had a lot of, well, we actually both have had a lot of stuff in our lives. Trauma. Her mom died. My dad had just died.

And so I thought, well, I'm going to go to therapy and make sure something mental isn't part of the problem. problem. And that started helping me to communicate. So we started opening up more to each other. And finally, at some point, what, probably March of 24, we had talked enough that we thought, okay, let's test the water. Let's dive in. Yeah. So we create our couple profile. Oh, that was. We thought we were being so fucking sneaky and it showed us just how sheltered we had been in our little 34 year because we thought we were being super sneaky by breakfast everybody was asking us about that profile

everybody that we thought we'd hidden it from what do you mean who it starts popping up on our vanilla best friends page our kids oh my god you were that stupid where did you post it that it showed up where were you posting We just created it. We just created it on Facebook. Oh, and you did a real, oh, my God, you guys are hilarious. I've never, I've never had shit to hide.

I never had to worry about that or think about all that stuff. Yeah, but I'm sorry, but like, you know, Trey did just brag about being the big Googler. I mean, like, he should have known, okay? Like, how did you not really? So, what did people say to you guys? Oh, my God. Oh, they were like, what's this profile? Do you make a new profile?

I was like, oh, it's just my, I'm doing a little internet. Stalkin and I... Oh, okay, good save. Good save. Yeah, yeah. I've always got a story. So, yeah. But did we get to the point, though, real quick, though, but, Trey, did we get to the point

where you decide to cop to the fact that you are interested in guys and you do want to explore it? Yes, we do. And I mean, it was at that point, we had gotten to that point before March of last year. Okay. And so we go and we put up an L.S. file and we have a couple contact us and we actually go meet them for dinner end up spending their spending in what three or four hours sitting there talking and it was like wow this is cool because our original thought was let's almost like date a couple because i didn't want

that are both curious or buy or whatever i didn't want to be just bed hopping yeah and i don't i have zero interest in us playing not together. So, you know, I thought that would be a really good way. And we could really get to know once, build a friendship, and then it might be more. And I'm also very demisexual. Like, I have to at least have a feeling of friendship for someone. So I thought that would help me get over that. And we start to date this couple.

Yeah. And mind you, this whole time, I had kind of decided. that okay I'm going through with all this ED stuff I'm going to go into your raw just this is going to be solved quick no problem you know whatever yeah not it was a long process

and I've tried literally everything I mean the shots and for anybody listening out there that is thinking about doing the shots the shot is nothing meaning what the shot is literally just a tiny little pinch right like meaning it doesn't

heard if someone's thinking about that. It does not hurt. I was freaking myself out about this. I could imagine. But none of it's worked. But what I have is called venous leak. The blood starts to go. Yeah, I've heard it.

And then leaks back down. I'm actually going to get. Yes. Yeah. In August. Yeah, I love that. I had a whole guy on that had the same exact problem. And he got that and it changed his life.

and I did a whole episode about it because I'm like, you know, what a great thing that they offer. And a lot of guys would be afraid of it, but I had the guy on to talk about how it's like a very common procedure, you know, and he talked about like everything about it. It was like super interesting. And as someone who Googles,

like he found a whole forum with a lot of guys out there that told them a lot of information beforehand. And that's going to solve your problem. Yeah. That's the solution. The pump. Yeah. Yeah, it works.

But so anyway, back back to March. Yeah. We start kind of dating this couple. We're going out, I mean, probably once a week. Yeah. Doing things together, hanging out, making out. Yeah, so there's great chemistry, you know, between the other man and me. And the other woman indicates there's great chemistry between my husband and herself.

Yeah. And so we're proceeding under that. As friends, we're having everything is great. We have so much in common. you know and so everything seems fine and till it's not ultimately what it was is he has decades of experience in the LS

she doesn't she doesn't want to be involved in this but she doesn't want to tell him because she doesn't want to lose him so she plays games and we being in experience let this go on for like three months and it was really rough on me on my head

because I'm thinking, what's wrong with me? You know. And, of course, he's blaming it on the ED. Right, because you're getting rejected by her is what you're saying. Yeah. Oh, very, yeah. Well, and I mean, the thing was, we would kiss, you know, but any time it got any more intimate than that,

she would, like, shut it down somehow. And now how far were you going with the husband? Were you doing anything with him more than kissing? No, it was just making out. Okay, because you guys were going at the same piece. Right, right. Yeah. no man left behind or anything.

Yeah, I got it. And so. That ended with them. Yeah. You know, supposedly she was attracted to me because she and I were both like curious, but we kissed and I thought I waited my whole life for that. That was the most unenthusiastic consensual kiss I've ever seen in my life. She might have been doing that for her husband, too,

because it shouldn't have felt that way if she was really interested. Right. I'm like, I kissed a girl. I didn't like it. So that couple doesn't work out, right? So do you go back online and look for other people? Like, what comes in action? Well, actually, what happened?

We were supposed to go to an event with that couple. And it was a camp out. And once that all kind of broke up about two weeks before this camp out, they said, no, we're not going. and so we thought about it and she was like let's go ahead and go just just give it a chance see what happens it was freaking awesome oh really probably one of the best weekends of my life yeah we just had so much fun and now obviously this is a lifestyle camp out scene yes and once that all kind of broke up about two weeks before this camp out they said no we're not going and And so we thought, thought about it.

And she was like, let's go ahead and go. Just give it a chance, see what happens. It was freaking awesome. Oh, really? Probably one of the best weekends of my life. Yeah. We just had so much fun. And now obviously, this is a lifestyle camp out scene.

Yes. Okay. So let's explain everything that went down. Yeah, that's been nine months ago. We've made friends that weekend that we see. every weekend. Well, we're actually seeing this weekend. I know.

You guys are in a hotel as we speak, just so you know, I know this before. But so we went and we just had so much fun. Most of the people were about our age. They were younger. They were older. But most people were really laid back, really chill. Everybody was super kind.

It wasn't super clicky. It was just this instant warm vibe. And then the sexy stuff started. Yeah, and I was like, oh, damn. We were actually. like wing manning each other. We were sending people to each other. Wait a second.

Do you get there and like it's like all outside camping kind of vibe and people are like naked walking around? Yeah. And the later of the day went on, the less clothes people were wearing and the more. And inhibited. Yeah. And so it was like, oh. And I've always been very possessive.

So I was afraid once. we actually started swinging that it would trigger that and I would be super jealous, which weirded me out because that was not the case. I actually realized I really liked seeing other women respond to him and see the sexy, attractive guy he is like I see him. And so I decided it's hot and I like it. And it's a turn on. No one's all that coming.

Yeah, but let me ask you this because you're skipping to the point. Like, I mean, have you, I'm assuming you wound up hooking up with other people during this campsite. Like, walk me through like the hookups. So we didn't then. We didn't then. We have sense. Oh, okay. So you go in there, though, but you're like the vibe and you meet a lot of people.

So do you wind up like fooling around in front of people or anything? Like, what's the craziest thing you did on that first camp out? Yeah, we ended up. Well, we sucked a lot of tities together. Yeah. You what? And yeah, he'd be on one breast and not the old. You sucked a lot of tities?

I said we sucked. We sucked a lot of tities together. Okay, well, that's something. That's hooking up. I mean, was it yours? No, was other women? Like, you had done that with other women? These were the first women?

Yeah. Okay, well, that's kind of major for you. Yeah, it was major. It was great. And we, you know, we flirted and played around and did some making out. we didn't more like a soft swap nothing sexual too sexual happen okay but that's still like you know you got to remember because you guys are like a year and a half in this and now you've done so much more hardcore stuff but that's like you know for a vanilla couple that haven't done anything yeah like

you didn't cross boundaries and you were hooking up with women for the first time really you know that's the farthest you ever went with a woman on that camping trip so I wouldn't say you didn't do anything on that camping trip no and it certainly gave us enough of taste that we were both like, oh, we like this. So we came back and we were both like, okay, all right, this was fun. And we were both very surprised. Well, he said he wasn't surprised. He was like, I didn't think I would be jealous. And I mean, I felt a kind of a twinge, but then I was like, oh, no, that's cool. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I won't say I didn't feel a little smidge, but then I was like, this is hotter than I am jealous. Yeah. Right. That's important to say. That's an interesting distinction.

know. So when you get back, do you go back to the, like, the website that you're on and look for couples, or do you start looking for like swingers clubs and stuff to go to more so in your area? What comes next? Well, we have no swinger clubs in our state. Okay. There's nothing like that year. But what we did have was the connections we made that weekend while we were camping. And so we really threw ourselves into that group and their Facebook chat and, you know, just interacting and making friends on that group and we were going doing karaoke with them on Friday nights and listening to bands some Saturday nights. So we really started making connections within that lifestyle club. And through the chat, we met a couple that I had a lot in common as far as

being artsy, crafty, design kind of design, design tendons. and things like that. And so we started talking and we started group chat. And then she had a lot in common with my husband. And so we decide one thing

that as we threw ourselves into the lifestyle, we figured out we liked is burlesque shows. Okay. So we invited them to go see a burlesque show with us. And that was kind of like our first day.

And we hit it off. Everything was really great, but nothing happened. And then we saw him the next night. And the next night we played cards. And then the husband asked if we wanted to play. And we did. So that was our first swap. Full swap. And I cried. Of happiness. Or just pleasure? No, I was so overwhelmed. I wasn't really sad, more like overstimulated.

You have to understand. This is the first man to do that to me in almost 36 years. Oh, my God. There's nothing scarier than a woman crying after saying. Right? But he was so kind to me. He immediately stopped. Oh, honey, can I get you a towel for your face?

It's fine. It's fine. I literally could not have an answer. asked for a kinder man to to usher me into that and to see me through it. Yeah, very lucky. Well, listen, that's maybe a word of caution to people, like, you know, really get to know the people before your first experience because, you know, you don't know how you're going to feel.

You don't know what's going to happen. Yeah. And they were worried I was crying because I was jealous or it hurt me. I was like, no, I'm just overwhelmed. Yeah. It just hit me that this is big. This is life-changing stuff. And, but was it crying like sadness?

Like, it's interesting, like crying out of being overwhelmed. I'm trying to put my finger on that feeling. It's like when I've ever experienced that, you know. I, I'm one of those, I'm a happy crier. I'm a sad crier. I am a angry crier. Crier. Well, I don't cry.

Well, I don't cry like. Well, not like it sounds, but tears will come. Yeah, yeah. But the thing is, it's any excess of any emotion. Oh, okay. It's just literally, I get over, I'm a little autistic. No, that's okay, but I think that's an important distinction because, you know, some people would think if you don't really explain it, that you're crying because you're

upset, you know what I mean? Because that's typically why. Yeah. But it really wasn't that. It's just. It was purely the momentousness of the moment hit me, and it sort of I just got overwhelmed. Yeah, not in a good or bad. way, right? Like that's important.

Just had a lot of thoughts to process at that moment. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Sorry. Go on. And so I assure the couple, look, I'm not crying because of y'all. Nobody did anything. Everybody was great. It's all a me thing. It's just me

and my emotions thing. And so we, I think we go back and we play cards for another two hours. Yeah. And so. Yeah, but Trey, how was it for you like fucking somebody else? The wife. Well, of course, I have ED, so we didn't actually have intercourse. Okay, do you tell couples that ahead of time? Yes, absolutely, because I don't want anybody, you know, a matter of fact, this club that we're in,

whenever we have get-togethers, if it's your birthday month, everybody, you go up and sit in a chair and you get lap dances from everybody. And there's been a couple of them that have, and I've been like, don't worry, it's not, It's not you. No, if anything, we overshare about it because we don't want to mislead anybody. Yeah, exactly. So she knew going in, you were going to like bang her out, but you did go down on her and stop. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. She seemed to enjoy the experience. Yeah. Okay. So you wind up still being friends with them, though, and you're playing cards with them after. Well, and actually, we went on, we played with them for months. pretty much on a weekly basis. Then we hit a problem.

What happened? We're playing. We get done. Her husband is very... ADD. ADD. And so when he gets done, he jumps up and he goes, he's getting a drink of water and everything else. The three of us are still laying in bed.

We're snugglers. She rolls over and tells me she loves me. Well, now that's misleading. Well, okay. So I'm between my husband's legs, Lenny on his chest. and he's got his arms around me and he just leans up and kisses me and says, I love you, baby. And I said, I love you.

And the other man's wife rolls over and says, what about me? I love you. I love y'all. As her husband's coming down the hall into the doorway. And that put the kibosh on that. Why, he got that upset? He didn't realize, like, did she tell him? Oh, I think so.

Why? He never really. He didn't, no, he didn't. He didn't say anything then. He didn't say anything then. but communication shut off. We went two months without seeing each other. You have to understand we were spending Friday and Saturday night every weekend together.

So it was obvious that something was off. And, you know, we were asking and, oh, we're just, have a lot going on. But, I mean, it was very obvious that it was. And even now, we didn't see them for two months. And then we saw them. and we're with them for about 20 minutes and it was real awkward and then we saw him again a couple of weeks ago and he won't even hardly hug me yeah he just got weirded out yeah it was just it was too much for him right okay and don't get me wrong these are people that I think are great people

I care deeply about them it just for whatever reason he got in his head it's fine right okay it happens to the best of us yeah so you didn't that you stop seeing them, but you still have this group of people that you know, were there other couples? I mean, and I haven't heard, like, I mean, have you ever gone down on a woman yet? Like, have you ever been with a guy yet? Like, when do you guys start fulfilling your bi-fantasy? Okay. So after that, we kind of figured out that maybe trying to date people wasn't the best

idea. So, yeah, that's not working. So anyway, my wife has had a chance to explore her curiosity. with women. Let's just say I'm not vicarious anymore. I'm bisexual. Okay. But I hadn't had a chance to explore anything.

This group that we're in It's in the South. And not necessarily straight up hate, but you know, they're very uncomfortable with bisexuality isn't accepted. Yeah, but they're fine with women. Yeah, of course. That's very

common. It's ridiculous. Listen to my I talk about it all the time. It's so bizarre. Yeah. In a lifestyle, in a community of people who are so open-minded about everything, you know what I mean? Yeah, there's this weird line they draw with guy on guy action. Yeah, that blew my mind because we thought it would be very open. Yeah. Which is what led us to our latest adventure in the LS.

We decided to start a group for bisexual, couples in the area just so that we could find people like us to hang around with and kind of support each other. That's smart. And so that's what we did. And we've, we've probably, we've already got about 40 people. 40 people in it. We, you know, have already had our first house party. Yeah, we hosted our first buy house party about three or four weeks ago. No way. Tell me how that went. Is this going to be your first experience with the dude? No. He'd already had one before that.

Okay, well let's talk about that and your experience with women, because you blew past that shit. Okay. Well, so we met a couple and they came over and they were younger than us, but very, very cute and very, very sweet.

And so we decided to play and that was the first time I actually made love to a woman. It was, it was really wild. I didn't know how I was going to feel about it until in the moment. It wasn't a thing we talked about first. You know, she asked, may I touch you? And I said yes. And I asked her, you know, while we were playing, it just sort of happened. But it was a really beautiful experience. It affirmed that I definitely am into women as well as men. And there was chemistry when you kissed her as opposed to the other one? Oh, absolutely.

Mm-hmm. It was wonderful. It was, yeah, it was what I always thought it would be. And we've played together a couple of times. And she's really delightful and I count her as one of my friends. Yeah, that's great. And then now what was your first experience, Trey? So, okay, so actually this group that we originally started with,

this is a couple that's in that group, that I had no idea either of them were by. They're very close to the vest about that. Because they have to be. And when we started the by group, all of a sudden they joined. And we're both kind of like, what? And that's who I actually had my first experience with. They came over and the four of us played.

And after a little bit between, you. you know, I guess the swapping of the wives, he came over to me and he was like, are you ready to do this? And I said, sure. You know, because I mean, I'm still a little nervous about it. But it was great. It was great. He's a great person. His wife is a great person.

I mean, so. Well, what had happened? Like, you know, what goes down? Like, and do you know at this point, uh, when you know, when it comes to guys like what you're into, do you want to top, do you want a bottom, are you just giving head? Do you not want to give head?

Like, what is going down? So, okay. So, no, I had not a clue what I wanted to do. Okay. We have not had intercourse. Okay. Basically, it was just oral. Yeah, uh-huh.

Basically, it was just oral. Mutual oral? Was it mutual oral? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And at some point, I do want to try anal receiving and giving. Okay. But I'm just trying to, you know, you grow up hearing things and things being told you

a certain way and it takes a lot to get your mind out of that space. I get it. Okay. So you have some mental blocks when it comes to going there still, but you're working and removing them. But you did oral? Let me ask you, did you swallow? Yes, I did actually.

He told me he was about to come and I think he was He started to pull out and I actually grabbed him and He's like, no, I want to do this. And then afterwards I'm thinking, damn, why don't more women do this shit? That was good. Exactly. I don't know why women don't. She hates it. She's not.

Come on. Are you kidding me? everybody has well I have my thing but it's just you know it just it's fine it's not one of my favorite things but I'll do it oh okay good I high-five you for that even though it's not like you listen I'm not like oh my god I love calm like putting it in my mouth yeah there's only one thing that it's absolute no go with me anal and that is anal yeah yeah that's okay And it's not because I'm like appalled by it or anything. It literally just nothing in that area feels good to me. Yeah, you have to. It's like a,

I got to explain it to you. Like I could go years without not feeling anything in that area. And then like when you really focus your attention there and relax into it. Uh-huh. Really keep doing it like you can. Once you start feeling it there, you're like holy fucking shit. Like trust me,

there's an art to it. And it's, uh, you know, if you could really just, it's about like, switching your attention. But who cares about that? Because you have guys have so many good things to talk about. Let's get back to your story. We don't need to know what you're not doing because you're doing a lot, right?

So you have that first experience. Now, Sheena, tell me something like when you saw your guy with another guy, like I think I heard you say like it was like hot to you, right? It was very hot to me. I've always kind of fantasized about that. And I was worried that in the moment I wouldn't like it. But I did a lot. Yeah, interesting, right? And I think his wife does too. I think she thinks, you know, she reacted like she thought it was super hot. Right. And the wife was by as well, right? Because you guys were hooking up with each other.

So there was back and forth with she and I. And, you know, at one point, though, we just kind of stopped to watch the guys. And we were looking at each other and we were like, uh, it was just, it was super hot. You know, men are always like, it's so. hot to watch two girls together. Well, apparently we like that too. Yeah. Yeah. Newsflash, you know, and some women don't know it until they see it. Right. You know.

Okay, so that was a good, that was like the first time and Trey, you had a great experience, I'm assuming. Yes. Yes. And we, and we, matter of fact, we're at this hotel takeover this weekend. That couple is hosting a house party next weekend that will be. be attending. Now, but let me ask you this when you're invited to their house party, are they like having a party that's out and open to the buy people? Or is this a, oh, let's pretend. No, this is heroin. Right. Interesting. Isn't that interesting? Right. So you're going to go there and you guys won't hook up, but you're still like having fun because you guys exist in both those worlds. Oh yeah. Definitely. Yeah. No, I'm just like her. I love women. Yeah. I mean, I,

I worship women's bodies. Women are gorgeous. But I also, you know, am interested in men, too. Yeah, but you're saying, so what you're, the point is that you'll go to these heteroparties, too, because you're like there's women there and you're down for that. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Everything this weekend will be strictly hetero.

Yeah. Yeah. So tell me more, like, do you want to talk more about, like, your private buy group? Like, have you done more play? over there besides that one couple. Well, the private buy group? Yes, the house party. There was a whole

play pile at the house party. 14 people? Yeah, that was hot. At the buy house party? And most of these people are in their 40s and 50s, which is hilarious to me. But, you know, it was but yeah, people just don't think, you know,

we should be like winding down or whatever and hell we're doing all this weird shit. Oh, please. And, you know, I mean, and. Well, and I'll tell you something I've learned. You should be side-eyeing your teachers, your bank tellers, all those people. That's all right.

I always say, like, there's not some pervert island where all these people live. These are regular people that are walking, walking amongst you. You know what I mean? They're all, because a lot of people tell me off air what they do, who they are. I see their pictures, you know. These are people from all different walks of life, all different professions. And they exist across the board, for sure. And, yeah.

And, you know, you never know who you would be side eyeing that's into the stuff until you're, like, really in it. So these parties that you have, you have them at your house. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. And how do they go? Like you have, like you said, you have a big pile of orgies going down. Yeah.

I mean, it's, you know, when everyone gets there, we. We sit down and we talk for a little while and then we do some swinger jinga to warm things up. Uh-huh. Fine. And it's super fun. And then after that, everybody's kind of loosened up and we just kind of go to the playroom we have set up. And it ends up being just a big pile of bodies. And then that goes on for a couple of hours.

And then we stop. We have snack time. And then sometimes we go back and do it for a couple more hours. And it's wonderful, you know. It's really fun to be with people where you don't have to be inhibited about anything. You don't have to filter your mouth. Yeah, you know, if like, I mean, as we're having a group orgy play session, I don't know, I just suddenly the thought hits me about,

because I'm watching my husband and he's, you know, having oral sex. with this woman and I'm giving him oral and all of a sudden I'm thinking about when he gets the implant and I'm thinking about how bad I want to be fucking him while he's fucking someone else and I was like, ooh, new kink unlocked. Yes, I'm going to look forward to. Yeah, well, you know, that's one thing we have explored is pegging. Oh, interesting. Which makes me feral. It is just so hot to me. You pegging your husband? Yes.

It's so hot to me. It is, I think it's just the thought of taking a man like a man takes me. It just sends me right over the freaking edge. Yeah, isn't that interesting? I've heard a lot of women talk about that as well, being like in that, in that, you know, they didn't know that they would like it as much as they did, but when they strapped it on, they felt something that they just had never felt before. right it's this this i i get it now i you know it's this kind of power to have over someone you know

it's it's hot you know somebody you tray to be like fucked in the ass i mean it's with her we've been together so long there's nothing you know there's nothing sacred or i'm saying how does it feel like we not your first time having like something inside like you know, how was being bottomed? Like, how was being bottomed for you? It was, it was very, very good. Some of the best orgasms I've had. Exactly. That was the answer I was looking for. Yeah. No, yeah, wow. And then seeing him in that kind of pleasure, just that's a big part. Just knowing you're giving that kind of pleasure to somebody that you love, that's super erotic to me.

Yeah, and what about like, you know, so many people talk about reclaiming and all that stuff. Like after you do all this stuff together and see each other with other people, I mean, does it just add to your sex life even when you're not with other people because of like the thoughts? Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Well, because we see, I mean, we get to see from a different point of view just how inhibited the other one can be. Yeah. You know, it's one thing when you're doing it, but when you're observing it, you see it from a different perspective. perspective. And I think we both find that super hot. Yeah. And so, you know, to see somebody you've always seen through this lens, through another lens is, is exciting. And so no, our, our sex life has never been better, even though he can't penetrate me. I mean, we have fantastic sex. I actually told him, if you don't want to get this implant, don't you do it for me. I'll be fine your way. I am well taken care of.

And he said, no, I want to do it. And then I want you to do it. Yeah, of course, of course. But I love that. Like, that's where you're at. And he should be doing it for himself. And the fact that, I mean, you are being penetrated by other people, right? And like for you, Trey, let me ask you a quick question.

Like, does that bother you in the slightest because you can't give that to her? Or do you feel like happy to see her with other guys? Like, no problem whatsoever. No, I mean, literally like the first time. that she got really seriously involved with another man. There was like a nanosecond of, am I going to be jealous? Yeah. But then after that, I am very much a person who gets pleasure from giving pleasure.

And so to see someone else pleasuring her in a way that I can't right now. Was hot even. Yes. Interesting. And the thing is, she's told me repeatedly. And like I told you, I, you know, I brushed up on my skills because I needed to. And she's told me repeatedly, you don't have to do it. I'm happy.

I'm satisfied. And like I told her, I said, it's for me. I mean, I still, when we're making love, it's like it's not complete in my head. Because you can't penetrate her. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you're going to love the pop. I mean, it really, I don't know why, you know, I did a poll, I think, after on my Patreon about the pump.

And a lot of guys were like, I think that people are afraid of it. Like they're, you know, because listen, it's your like fucking penis, right? Like something goes wrong. Yeah. But I think that. Well, but I hit a point where like the urologist, I was talking to him at one point. And I was like, dude, I'm 54 years old. I'm not dead.

And now that they fix my testosterone, I'm ready to go. Let's get the shit up. Yeah, that must be. That's why I asked if one was happening at the same time, because I would assume that's very frustrating if you have the sex drive, but you can't get it up at the same time, right? Like, that would be really, like, you know, that would be a big problem. And let me just tell you, your whole life is going to change when you get that pump. You're going to love it, Shina.

Oh, I know I love it. But I do, and I meant that when I said that even if I wasn't being penetrated by other people, I would be happy with what we have because I don't really care about how you get there as long as you'd get there. And so, but no, I am so excited. I can't wait to have that part of my husband back. And since we've been in the lifestyle, I have a little bit of a line waiting for me to come back. Oh, you mean after you get it done?

Yeah. Because everyone knows you're doing it. Yeah, we're real open about it. Yeah, yeah, I love that. Let me ask you the last question. Like, how has, like, how has. like, you know, this huge change in your relationship changed your marriage? A thousand percent for the better.

We've never, we've always had a good marriage, but we've never been closer. We talk about everything. Yep. And excruciating detail. We have sex like we did when we were back in our teens and 20s. It's super hot. Like, you know, sometimes two, three hours. I mean, things are great.

And it is all because we decided to get honest. Just brutally honest with who we are and what we need. And the one thing, we learn new things about ourselves, but the one thing that will absolutely not change is that what we need is each other. And however that looks, it's always going to be us. Yeah, I love that. And it was that way from the get-go. I mean, like, this didn't fix a problem.

I mean, you had the issue. No, it's always been. Yeah. it's always been us against the world. And I do think you have to have that foundation there. And that's a big to appreciate people that are successful and not successful. I mean, you had issues in your sex life, but it wasn't, that didn't make you, that wasn't making or breaking your marriage. Like on every other level, you guys were good.

And I think that that really does need to be in place for you to cross over to the other side. Because this could have been a horrifying story, you know, because the guy could have been very jealous when he's, saw, you know, it could have went bad in so many ways because of what was happening. But you guys obviously had a very strong connection with each other to begin with, to be able to do what you were doing, considering the issues you had and be not only okay with it, but like, you know, living it up and enjoying it for all that it's worth, even before you got your pump going. You know, I mean, that takes like, that takes a lot, I think, like a lot of guys would maybe be not the opposite with it because of the issues that you were dealing with well and i mean don't get me

wrong there's been some things i've i've struggled about with it but in my head but you know but you're having too much fun to let that stop you listen no matter who it is and i always make a point to say this like you it's some days you just might have a feeling about something a certain way you know what i mean slightly jealous, slightly uncomfortable, slightly this or that. And that's normal. You're still a human being, you know? Yeah.

But, you know, if you have that great communication and you can talk about it, you can move past it. You know, it's not that like anyone gets to this place where they're never going to feel any weird way about something. But like she said earlier, I think was great that Chena said is like, I feel more pleasure than I do jealousy, you know?

So what does it matter? Yeah. The positive is. I'll weigh the negatives is what we're reading the other way. And seeing someone, especially when you've been together as long as we have, and you've grown and you've changed. So you get to the point where you think, well, they love me, of course. They're attractors for me, of course, but they kind of have to be, you know. I mean, that's not true, but it's kind of the mindset you get into.

Yeah. And so to get into the LS and interact with other people and really, that other people find you attractive, you know, it's good for the soul. I mean, it makes you feel good. It makes you feel alive. Again. And yeah. And why not that 50-something year old do that year? You know what I mean? Why not get that boost or that kick then? Yeah. I mean, because even as sexual as I am, I love this man. And when things were sexless, I was like, if this is what it's going to be, the rest of my life, fine. But it's still me and him. Yeah. So, You know, yeah, I'm thrilled to have it all back.

Yeah. And little did you know. Right. Who could have seen this happening? Yeah. Little did you know that look what happened when you did stay. You know what I mean? It wasn't like, I mean, things couldn't be, have gone in like the opposite direction from sexless marriage to like this. It's crazy.

But I think it's such an inspiring story. And I love stories like this because I feel like it could give people hope, you know, because a lot of people live in a sexless marriage. Now, not everyone's going to wind up going down this route, but you know, you weren't here to say like you guys did. We've always been go big or go home. Yeah, but there's a lot of people out there that are. So I think it's inspiring to hear your story. Yeah, you know, and I get it.

I used to feel very hopeless about it. I thought, well, this is just what it is. And but it's okay because I love him. And so to have it back is just, it's a real blessing. And it's made me just realize how. how lucky we are to have that kind of honesty and partnership where we can really be our truest self with each other and not shake our partner in the least not only that it brought you closer which is the which is yes absolutely the greatest part of it all so listen i love your guy's story tray and chena

you're another inspiring story i just recently aired uh anna and uh roger i think it was annie and roger Oh my God, they were, they met at 65 and they started swinging and they've been swinging for the past five years. And they, I mean, their fucking story is so great like yours. I love Ricky and Lucy. Ricky and Lucy. They're awesome. Yeah.

Was that the guy that had the pump too? The implant. Yeah, he had the implant. Yeah. I love them. So you listen to that. I'm so glad you did. Yeah.

Yeah, I love them. You're going to love Annie and, and Roger Tooth. But I love you guys too. If you want to send me in picks for my Patreon. You can are rated for my Patreon. Okay. I will also give you free access to my Patreon so you can see all the comments. And I'll also give you free access to my Discord where there's a lot of crazy stuff going on over there.

There's so many different channels. I'm done with my pussy pick contest. That was like fun. But there's a lot of, there was a dick pick contest. There's a lot of stuff going on over there. I'll give you free access to it. So you'll be able to go in there and peruse all the channels. It's a lot.

I mean, I think there's over 5,000 people signed up over there. Oh, wow. Yeah, there's a lot going down, but it's fun. But you guys could go in there as guests or there's a guest channel and do whatever you want if you want. That's where X-rated stuff goes down. I don't really get involved in it, but if you want to send me picks for my Patreon, I get involved in that. But it's always like R-rated stuff. And of course, anonymous.

So send me any picks that you want. Send them to me sooner than later. I'll send you the links for the Patreon and the Discord. And thank you so much for calling it and sharing your story. I love it. I think it's super interesting. and I'm glad that you started that group for people because more groups like that need to exist, you know,

because they're out there, the bye guys are all out there, and they are in the lifestyle, and everyone has to be so closed about it. You know, it's sad but true. So it's great that you guys started that club. I love that, like that group. I love that. Well, thank you for having us.

We've enjoyed it. Yeah, this was super fun. You guys were great. Thanks so much for calling in. The sound was great. You guys were great talking with each other, and your story was great. Thank you.

Have a great one. You too. Have fun this weekend. Swinging more. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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