Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1224 - Sebastian & his Wife Went from Swinging to Hotwifing To Being Poly

Episode Date: September 16, 2025

Sebastian and his wife went from swinging in o hotwifing to being polyamorous and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including how and when he realized he was into hotwifing, how he brought it up and ow she reacted at first, the first couple they wound up hooking up with and what went down with them, the second couple they met and what went down with them, how his wife wound up meeting with a guy solo without telling him and how he felt about it, their first mfm threesome and what went down, their first full swap with a couple and what went down, their first time at a sex club and exactly what went down, how and why he never gets it up when playing with other women, the well hung guy they met and hooked up with and what went down him the first time, the second time they hung out and how and why she eventually started playing with him solo and wound up having feelings for him, how he then found the girl he’s dating and how they’re now poly and how it all works out plus a whole lot more.  *You can buy his book here: https://amzn.to/46Fwrw7 **To see HOT pics SEBASTIAN'S WIFE plus my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712   Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed.   Sponsors:  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://vb.health⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To get 10% off Drive Boost by VB Health use code: STRICTLY ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://beducate.me/pd2528-anonymous⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Use code: ANONYMOUS to get 50% off your yearly pass plus get a 14-day money-back guarantee ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://uberlube.com/discount/Strictly⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Use code: STRICTLY for 10% off Uberlube aka the BEST Lube EVER ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Get your first month of the new Blewchew Max FREE! use code: STRICTLYANON ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://butterwellness.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Use the code “STRICTLY” at checkout for 20% off your entire order To get $15 OFF your female oxytocin arousal tablets and more, use code STRICTLY here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://shamelesscare.sjv.io/xLQ3Jv⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow me! Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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For your free trial, go to sDC.com and use my code 37712, or just go to the description and click on the link. Everything I talk about is in the description. Okay, today I have on Sebastian. Sebastian has a whole hot wife story, not even just hot wife. I mean, there's a lot of stuff going on in this story. He did write a book called Vivian Awakening, which is like his wife's awakening. I do talk about the fact that it got really great reviews on Amazon. So if you want to read a hot wiping story, a real story and get more information than you're going to get on this episode, go buy his book because it gets like I said very, like verified purchase great reviews over there. People really talk up the book. He though does go into him and his wife's whole story about going from like being,

you know, a vanilla couple to doing like things that are very not vanilla. They've tried hot wiping. They've tried swinging. They're currently polyamorous. I didn't see that coming at the last 10 minutes. He throws that down. And they've been poly and both have separate boyfriends and girlfriends for a long time. We talk about that. But we talk about how he got into hot wiping, how he brought it up to her, all their experiences with bulls, how they wind up at swinger clubs, how they wound up with couples, how his wife wound up with women. It's a whole journey. He's a great talker and storyteller, you know, because he's a writer and I typically like writers really speak well. I did still talk. I made a joke at the end. Like I probably didn't have to, but I still did because I like to talk

but I probably didn't have to say one fucking word with this guy. But his story is super interesting. He gives a lot of great details. So if you want to buy his book and read his book, Vivian Awakening, I'm going to put a link in the description. He did send me picks of Vivian. He talks about how hot she is. I have those over on my Patreon. Hopefully he'll be on my Discord.

Links to that is in the description as well as linked to his book. So anyway, I'm going to get right to it and be right back on with Sebastian. Hey, Sebastian. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you today? Hi, Kathy. I'm great. Thank you.

So listen, Sebastian. you, I don't know, did you write the book or did your wife write the book or you wrote a book about your wife? It's called, you do have a book. Who wrote the book? Yeah, so I wrote the book and she was involved in certain sections of it. Yeah. So the book is called Vivian Awakened, and I was like before we started it, and that's the name of the book. We'll give, like, I'll put a link to the description. You're going to have to tell your story. Of course, they're going to get way more details in the, if they read the book, right? But we do want to hear the story because Vivian Or was awakened, okay, Viviana, right? It's Viviana or Vivian? It's just Vivian, yeah. Okay, sorry, I got a typo on my thing that I wrote. Yeah, Vivian, I said it right before. So Vivian was awakened. I'm like, was she awakened? I'm like, was a hot wife, as a swinger, you know, and you're like, all of the above. I was like, okay, so let's hear Vivian's story, your wife. Like, how long have you

and Vivian been married for? We've been married for 23 and a half years. Okay, first marriage for both of you? Yes, it is, yes. Okay, cool. And like, were you guys both a very, Vanilla beforehand? Yes, we were. Yep. Okay. And so I don't know, where does the story start? Well, I wanted to give a little backstory just on her too for some content, or contact, I'm rather. So she was born and raised in Central Europe, and she was very, she was very, had low self-confidence

about herself. She was like one of the most beautiful girls as a teenager in her town and had lots of guys always interested in her. and she was always afraid to really stick with one guy. She dated a guy for a few months and then they'd want to have sex with her. And she'd get scared and get bored with them and move on to the next guy. And she could never really settle down and find one guy. And she ended up losing her virginity very late. She was 19, I believe, because she was kind of scared of sex.

And when she tried losing her virginity the first two times, it was with men that had larger penises. and she was afraid it hurt her and everything else. So by the time we had gotten married, she had only been with like two men. Okay. So she's very vanilla. She's very vanilla. What about you?

Yeah. And I had two long-term girlfriends before her, maybe four years each. So by the time we got, by the time we met and got married, yeah, it was it was, it was, we were just very vanilla. And I know one of the things that she had told me early on in our marriage was that she wishes she had lost her virginity earlier because she said she probably would have ended up being a whore. So that's something I took away in my mind. Listen, if she's hot, well, I think, oh, right, that was before she became your quote-of-code whore.

Yes, yeah. So just, yeah. So that paints the picture. She's hot. Okay, we know she's hot. By what you just told her, we know she's hot. We know she was a vanilla. This is going to be one of those stories where she goes from one extreme to the other.

Correct, correct. So, yeah, it really started. We were married, I think, 16 years at that point. And how was before, you know, the 16th year mark where we're getting? to where things change. You know, how was your sex life with her for those 16 years? So that's what's funny. It was, it was very vanilla, right? So we, we had a very great sexual relationship together, but it was very, you know, lots of missionary in the dark. We were both, like, not really comfortable with our bodies, even though I don't understand why she wasn't. But it was like,

we didn't try new things. We weren't into toys. We weren't into, like, anything, no bea, and those spankings, really just very vanilla sex, but it was very good. Yeah. So there was no complaints from either one of us. Okay. So you're fine. I mean, it's not like you're in a sexless marriage or anything like that, but you're certainly not in, you know, anything out of the box.

It's very vanilla, but fine. So what happened that's year 16, Mark? Yeah. So it was interesting because we were, you know, we got to that point where we had two young children and we just moved and she wasn't happy with her job. So I think our sex did go down. little bit. And with my work schedule, I'm not home a lot of nights a week, right? So we, we had maybe two nights a week where we had opportunities. And things started getting tense because we weren't,

we weren't having sex as much as we had been, which I think a lot of people run into that in those situations. Of course. And it was interesting because I'd always been pretty jealous. I was always, I was always a jealous husband, very insecure, I guess. But then I guess, I don't know if it was the age I hit. At that point, I think it was like 38. And, uh, It was we just happened to be at like a music festival with some friends and co-workers of hers that I had pretty much just met. You know, there was some alcohol involved. And the next thing you know, she's very, very close with one of her coworkers. Girl or guy?

A guy. Okay. Yes. And they're like hanging, you know, they have their arms around each other. And they're like, you know, talking like, you know, nothing crazy. But they're very close. Their faces are very close. They're both looking at each other.

I happened to be standing behind them. And I was like, what the, what the hell is this? Right. I'm like, and she was talking about him a lot too. Like she was coming home and, you know, talking about him. Like, you know, just saying, oh, this guy's so funny. You know, we have lunch together sometimes. He needs me laugh, that kind of stuff.

So then I see this. And I was like, and they were probably four inches from each other's faces. I was like really wondering, like, are they going to start making out any second? And for some reason I was like, why am I not jealous? I found myself turned on. Oh, okay. Interesting. And that confused me. Yeah.

I can imagine. It confused me. And my first instant was I pulled out my phone and I took a picture of them because I was maybe like two feet behind them. They didn't know. They were just in their own world. And I took a picture of them and I was like, all right, I'm going to use that later to, you know, question her and probably end up starting a fight over it. But then I was like, why am I turned on by it? And that was really the very first thing that I started to question myself and I didn't even really know what it meant.

Yeah. Right. So where do you go looking? Do you start Googling? Did you go to porn? Yeah. So I started, yeah, I started Googling and I was just like, why, like, I started thinking about it a lot the next couple of days. I kept looking at the picture. And, you know, I was just like, I don't, what is, why do I have these feelings? So I just started basically Googling like, you know, do husbands who think about sharing their wives, right? And lots of information started pop. up and I started realizing that like, well, this is a thing that I really didn't know. And I think I started like, I went to Craigslist, right? I think I saw articles that said like, you know, there's people in Craigslist and, you know, I started finding out about all these words like cuck holding and hot wife and, you know, bull.

And I was just like, oh my gosh, like, this is insane. And I really started thinking about it more and more. And interestingly enough, I listened to a lot of your shows and I hear a lot of these similar stories. But one place where I really gravitated to was Tumblr. Yeah, there was a time, and it changed, you know, because they banned it. But there was a time that there was a lot of adult content and stuff on Tumblr. And I used to hear that way earlier on in my podcast. I've been podcasting for 11 years, and I podcasted during the Tumblr days. So people talked about it in the beginning, not anymore because it's dead. Yeah, it's dead. It died only in the middle.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're a Tumblr. So now you know, you know, that you're into this thing. And you know that it has a name. Like, when does it, because we want to get to the shit that your wife does, you know, when does it become a thing that you bring up to your wife? So essentially, I start fantasizing, looking at lots of content on Tumblr. I start making little comments to her. And I just started talking about, like, I started opening up, like, asking her things like,

I bet you find that guy attractive, right? Or, you know, we watch in a movie. I'm like, I bet you'd love to have sex with that guy. And she, you know, it took her by surprise at her. She's like, what are you talking about? but as I kept kind of doing it and saying things, she started opening up more and she was like, yeah,

I wouldn't, you know, making little comments. Like, I wouldn't kick him out of my bed and things like that. So that went on for, I think it was maybe six months where I just kept kind of sort of teasing the situation. And,

and then in the meantime, she kept talking about this coworker a lot. And so it was like, I was the kind of plan off that. And then there was one day when, I forget what it was. Oh, so she, I said something about, you know, I spanked her on the ass, and I was like, by the way, you're getting some dick tonight. And she said, oh, I'm getting dicks.

And I froze. And I was like, yes, that's what you want. You can have dicks tonight. We can have multiple dicks. And she laughed. And she's like, I thought that's what you said. But I was like, oh, my God, is she trying to throw me hints now, right? So that kind of stuff went on and on.

And then she started, what was funny is, as I was, she was getting more comfortable talking to me. me about this stuff. She actually started like hitting on and flirting with one of my friends in front of me. So then as I kept seeing more of that, finally one night, I finally got the balls. And I was like, okay, this is it. You know, I wanted to find the perfect night to talk about it because I didn't want to start a fight. And I was in the shower. She was getting ready to get in the shower. And I just said, hey, you know, remember when you said something about, you know, multiple dicks in our bed? And she was like, what? And she was like, what? And I was like, remember like a week or two ago, you said that and she was like uh yeah oh that i guess yeah why and i'm like well if you wanted to make that

that happen you know i'm willing to try to make that happen for you and she was like she just was like i hope you're not serious and i was like well no i'm just saying if that's something you want and she was like why would you say that to me she basically freaked out on me she was like why would you say that to me and then but then she was like even if i even if i said maybe what do you mean where would you find a guy and i'm like well i found there's there's guys on this on this on the site called Craigslist, you know, and she's like, I'm not, you know, I'm not doing anything with some stranger and getting some disease and she really overreacted to that. And I was like, well, okay, well, what about, you know, either your co-worker or my, my friend that you've kind

of flirted with. And she was like, you know, and she was like, there's no way I'm doing anything with any of our friends. And she just kind of flipped out on me. And like, maybe three days later, she was like, listen, I'm really glad you talked to me about this. And it's obviously you're interested in, but please, she's like, I've had anxiety. I haven't been able to sleep. And I really don't want you to really talk to me about this ever again. And I said, okay, understood. The next time you want to get down and dirty, why not take your time? And instead of getting right to the action, why not start off with a hot sensual massage? Trust me, guys, your girl will never complain about foreplay. The more, the better. Now, I know sometimes that it could be intense. And I know,

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So how do you get her to begging guys? So four years goes by, and I don't bring it up again. And so then we move into a new house, and through some neighbors in our neighborhood, we met this couple. And we hit it off with this couple right away. They were like really super cool, really flirty, and they were just fun. And they immediately, like the next day after meeting them, they were hitting me up on Facebook. And they were like, hey, we're going out for dinner and drinks tonight. you guys want to meet us.

And we didn't really have any friends because we had just moved. And so she was like, yeah, hell yeah, let's go, right? And we went out and we met them. And over a course of a couple months, things just started like we started getting invited to their house more. And the next, one thing leads to another. You know, they're inviting us over to their hot tub. And then we invited them to our hot tub.

And it was a really long process of maybe a year of that time. type of stuff and some small flirting with the girls where one night the other woman ended up making out with with Vivian in the hot tub. Okay. So that was the first time she had ever kissed a girl in her life. And obviously in front of me, I thought that was amazing. So I'm like, all right, I'm going to switch my focus. Forget dudes.

If you're going to maybe she just like, yeah, I'm like, she wants to start kissing girls or this couple. Cool. I'll take it. Yeah. So it kind of was like, and she liked it. You know, we talked about it the next day, and she was like, yeah, it wasn't bad. And I just don't want to make a habit of it.

I'm probably not going to do it again. The very next time we hung out with that, she was all over that woman. She was the one that made the move. So that went on. It was just us hanging out. The girls would kiss in the hot tub, and me and him would just enjoy it. And it never really progressed past that for almost like another damn year. And it was also on and off because there was sometimes where Vivian would try with that woman,

and she would be interested that night and would kind of shut her down. Yeah, that's fine, but a year goes by and nothing happens. So go on. Yeah. So she's like, I'm kind of tired of like, you know, being shut down by her on an office. And I said, well, you know, maybe we should try to meet somebody else. And she really wasn't a fan of meeting somebody else. And she didn't like prearranged meetings.

So I was like, well, I've heard of the site called Adult Friend Finder. And I was like, maybe we can just create an account and see if there's any couples in our area that maybe want to just be friends and hang out. And she was like, okay, sure. So I made the account. And then the very first time I showed her some pictures, she freaked out. And she was like, I don't, because, you know, everybody's got dick pictures and vagina pictures. And she was like, I don't want to see any of these pictures.

I don't want to, I don't want anything to do with this. She's like, actually, just please delete the account. And I was like, what? Okay. So, Rick, I said, well, I already paid for like three months. So before it got deleted, this other couple did reach out to me. and they were like, hey, we're in the area, blah, blah, blah. We don't have friends as we just moved here.

So I asked her, do you want to meet them? And she said, sure, okay. So we meet them, and it's nice. There's some good chemistry or whatever. She's like, I'm not doing anything with them. I just want to meet for friends. Okay. They ask us to hang out with them again.

And then the next thing you know, it's right around the same time. Things just kind of started getting crazy. So almost all in the same. same week, it was like a week later, the very first original couple that we've been friends with at that point for four years, I think, of just kissing in the hut tub, they went kind of nuts on her. And it started with the two girls kissing, and then all of a sudden, it was like they were taking her top off. I helped take her bottoms off. She was going with it. And both the man and his wife were both kissing her, hands all over. They both ended up, you know, fingering her

and making her orgasm in the hot tub in front of me. And it was so incredible. It was like one of the best nights of my life. Right. You got your live porn right in front of you. You didn't do anything with either one. Like you didn't do anything with the woman, right? Hit the other guys and girl.

Okay, cool. Yeah. And that was one of the big things too that Vivian was like, why do you want me to do this with other men? It's because you want to do things with girls. Of course. That's always the typical thing. Yeah.

So go on. Okay. So now you're having action with that couple. Yeah. So we have this other couple going down. Yeah. So I tell the, I tell the other.

the second couple. I told the second guy, I'm like, you're not going to believe what she just did. Like, we just had the most amazing night. Yeah. And he was like, I knew it because she keeps saying she's not by and his wife was super buying. He's like, I knew it. I knew it. Let's get her in the hot tub next week. And I'm like, yeah, we'll do our best, right? So we go up for drinks. We end up going in the hot tub. She was very hesitant about going with them because she felt they were too professional. And she ended up almost the exact same scenario played out as it did the week before.

It was both of them on her. Both of them fingering her, making her calm. It was incredible. It was like, oh, my God, you know, to the point where she was like, what am I, what am I doing? Like, this is two different couples now in a week that have just done this. So it was kind of, yeah, it was awesome. So at that point, I was like, okay. So this part of the story, it's in the book, but she doesn't, she hates this part of the story.

Because this is her first where she plays with a guy. But it was. You mean full-on sex? Because she did play with that other couple. The guy was fingering her, right? True. Full-on sex, yes. But the problem, yeah, the problem with it is that we did it so wrong.

So I wrote it in the book because I'm like, I want to be truthful. I want people to hear what we did. We made a huge mistake, both me and her. Yeah, I love those things. Because you help people by telling them those things because other people could learn from your mistakes. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So she hates that I wrote it in the book, but I think she understands. understands why I did it.

So essentially, and I should know she's going to listen to this, so I don't want to go too much into detail of what it is, but essentially the second couple, the second guy, after they play with her, he starts writing me the next day. And he's like, you know, hey, I think I would like to maybe chat with her on the side and get her more comfortable with me.

And if you're okay with that. And I said, well, you know, I'm not sure, but let me ask her. And he's like, well, no, he was a very manipulative person I found out through this. Right. And he, yeah, so he was like, well, I think it's best if I just reach out to her and see how it goes. Because if she knows that you know, then she won't be as open. And I'm like, I'm okay, guess, you know, I'm figuring she's just going to come home and tell me anyway. So he reaches out to her on Facebook Messenger.

And I'm like, okay, she'll just talk a little bit. It's not going to be a big deal. and they start within 20 minutes, they're talking very dirty. And like, he's telling me like things. He's like, I just sent her a dick pick, things like that. And I was like, what? You know? So without getting into too much detail about that, she responded very well to him.

But when she came home that night, didn't tell me that they even talked. And this went on for a week. But he was telling you. That's how you knew. Is what you're saying, right? Yes. So he was telling me, he was like, just, are you still cool? this and you know and he's telling me some of the things that she was saying he was saying and I was

like I felt like well if this is what she wants right I felt manipulated by him but I was also like well I want this for her but this isn't how it's supposed to be I'm supposed to be knowing right so it felt weird and it felt off and essentially what ended up happening was he he talked her into meeting him at a hotel and they had sex right and but without me knowing even know I knew. So the whole thing was kind of just a really bad first experience. Right. And this went on for maybe two to three meetings. And he kept just telling me to be cool. Eventually, you know, I'll find, it'll be, it'll be open soon. And I was like, no, I'm done. This, this wasn't the point. Why did you let it go on for two or three meetings? I don't know for the

life of me. I can't explain. I think there was part, and what's weird is there was parts of me that was turned on and parts of me that was devastated. Right. Okay. And, yeah. And, Yeah, and like, I mean, I remember the first time I knew that they were meeting. I was a mess. And I was like, I wasn't excited, but I was like. But were you turned on after? There was times, which, yeah, made me question. What the hell's wrong with me, right?

I was like, I, yeah. So it was like I was turned on, but I was also very hurt. And because I was like, she knew I wanted her to do this. But when talking back with her later, she's like, I knew you wanted me to. and part of me really thought you knew, and that's why I was doing it to make you happy, but I couldn't bring myself to tell you. So we both made big mistakes.

I obviously let it continue, and I let it happen, and she was afraid to tell me it was happening. So the very first guy experience wasn't fantastic, and then, you know, it went on a couple times, and then finally one night I just blew up at her, and I was like, I know about this affair. I can't pretend anymore,

and it was like, you know, it was a big discussion. It was a big four-hour, crying. It was, you know, it almost, it almost cost us our marriage. But we decided we weren't going to let that happen. And we persevered through that. And I think that's what's beautiful about that story is that I think it could have destroyed so many couples. But I wanted it to be a message to couples that have gone through this that you can come out the other side. Right. Of course. Okay. So you're on the other side. Yeah. So we, so she, well, we talk it out. We talk it out. decides reluctantly she agrees that okay she'll see him again with my knowledge now which was stupid also on both of our parts so we let him

continue one more time we ended up having our very first mfm threesome with him uh-huh how was that it was for me it was hot it was amazing because i forgave all the other stuff because i obviously let it happen she didn't really love it and she was like after it happened and it was over you know we did all the typical things he went down on her, he made her suck me. You know, we took turns, things like that with her. We spit roasted her, all those things. And when it was done, she basically said, I'm glad we experienced that together, but I don't want to do that again. You know, please, I felt like a, I felt like a whore.

I felt like a porn star. I did not love it. I didn't like how it made me feel. Please don't ask me to do it again. Okay. And I was like, where do you go from there if she's not into that? Exactly. So, and then right after that, she's like,

like, and I'm done with him. So we basically had to tell him, sorry, she doesn't want to do this anymore. There's too much baggage with you and me and her. It's over. He didn't, you know, he didn't take that well. But so I, you know, we kept talking and I was like, it just sucks because I was so close. I had a taste of this and I didn't really get to enjoy you being with a man. And she was like, I'm not saying never, just not with him. Maybe if we find the right guy, maybe, but just not with him. And I'm like, fair. So, I don't remember how much time goes by after that, a couple months maybe. We start hanging out with the first couple.

And sorry, yeah, so we start hanging with the first couple now more. And we end up eventually full swapping with them. Just another crazy night in the hot tub. But she ends up riding out. You fuck that guy's wife. How does your wife feel about seeing you with her? Yeah. So that was the thing.

So, yeah, we at first she was like, because she kept saying, I don't want to see you with women. And I was like, I don't want to be with women. So it was always her and like the guy would go down on her and me and the other girl would just watch me and the wife would watch. And then it kind of started progressing where we would start to make out. And then I was like, are you okay with that? I kissed her. She was like, yeah, I guess it didn't bother me.

So then this one night, everything just progressed. And it was the very first time she had sex with that guy. And so he was asking, can I please like do this? This is torture. and his wife was like, sure, go ahead. And he just starts, you know, banging Vivian in the water. And she says to me, does this mean that we can fuck? And I said, I don't, I guess.

I don't know. And it was like something we hadn't talked about. So I did. But I didn't last. Now after all this time have you not even talked about that. Did she tell you specifically that she didn't want to? Like, how would that not come up in conversation? She's getting all the action and you're just sitting there.

And there's couples involved. So it's not like just a hot wiping situation. So how is there no conversation after all these years of whether you're going to ever get a fucking piece of the pie? Oh, okay. No. So we talked about it and the answer was always no. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah.

So we hadn't revisited where it might be okay. Okay. So that's why you were never involved before. So at this point, you know that it's no because it was talked about, you said. Yeah. It was like, it was like a no, but she was like, I don't know. She was very kind of on both sides of the fence. She's like, I don't want to see you with another woman, but I really like her.

and we've been friends with them for so long. So if something happened, I don't know. So it was always like this wishy-washy sort of flip-flopping situation. I don't want to see you with another woman, but I really like her, and we've been friends with them for so long. So if something happened, I don't know. So it was always like this wishy-washy sort of flip-flopping situation. And so I kind of went with it, but I immediately got soft and couldn't do it.

Because it was never what I wanted. And that's what I kept talking about. I was like, I don't want to be with another woman. So I was like, in that moment, I just failed. And I was like, I'm sorry. Like, I made some excuses, you know. And she was like, no, that's fine. And but Vivian didn't even know.

So we talked about it on the way home. And she was like, oh, I didn't know that happened. And I was like, yeah, well, I'm just letting you know. It did for like a second. So through that, she was, she wasn't pissed. She was confused. She was like, I need to digest that and think about it. And, you know, we'll, we'll see where we're going to go from there, basically, with that.

And I was like, but I told her, I said, I went soft. I didn't have any interest. So that ends that. But you're not even interested in it anyway. So you don't ever wind up. I mean, how does she move along with the hot wiping and everything? Yeah. So a couple, so we, a couple weeks later, this same couple, they're like, hey, there's a, there's a sex club in the area.

And we want to go check it out. But, you know, he's like, my wife doesn't want to go alone. she's afraid. She's like, he was like, do you and Vivian think you could come with us? And I said, Jesus, I don't know. I mean, this is, I don't think so, but I'll ask her, right? Just entertain him. I'm like, I'll ask her. So I did. And I said, listen,

it's a sex club. He sent me pictures. I looked it up. There's a dance floor. And because at first she was like, no. She's like, what do you think? I'm going to go have sex with people in front of people in a club. And I was like, no, you don't have to do anything. They just want us to go. And so she was like,

well, I said, there's a dance floor. She goes, well, you know, I really do love to dance. I said, yeah, and I'll dance with you, I promise, because I'm not a big dancer. So I'm like, I will dance with you. We'll just go have some drinks. We'll just go check it out. We'll see. Will people watch?

She's like, fine, we'll go. We go. We get there. And it's very overwhelming for her. I mean, there's like, you know, people walking around naked, half naked. There's a giant screen all over the dance floor with porn playing, which is not her thing. there's a room there's rooms with like you know it's like a horseshoe hallway with sex rooms all lined up and there's just you know you walk by the windows and you see people doing things and then there's like

this torture room with a with a with a cross with the what's it called the st andrew's cross i think people getting wet it was a lot for her and she she was like i don't know if i can be here i think i want to leave and at that same time the couple we went with they started talking to this other couple right in front of her and I think she got a little jealous about that too so she's like can we just go i want to i want to go and i'm like we just got here but so while we're talking they bring this other couple to us to introduce us and so we meet them and everything and then the single girl comes that who knew them from the night before and the single girl is all over vivian i mean they go to the bathroom she's holding hands with her she's like just staring at her and like just infatuated with vivian and she was

much younger. I think she was like 24 and you know, we're like at that time, you know, I think Vivian was 38 or 39. So she was much younger and, you know, all the girls go on the dance floor. The girls are all making out with each other and all of a sudden they come back and they're like, let's get out of here. Let's, look, do you have drinks at the hotel room? Let's go to your hotel room. And we're like, okay. And we go to the hotel room and it just went nuts from there. And it was an incredible experience, but basically the girls all just played, and us three guys just kind of chilled and watched. So the single girl just goes right after Vivian. And, I mean, she's making out with her.

And the other two are making out kind of, but they were just like, whatever. This girl was all over Vivian, making out with her. She starts stripping her clothes off. And, I mean, she takes her shirt, throws it on the floor, and she's, like, sucking on her boobs and her nipples. and Vivian's kissing her nipples right back, and I'm like, holy hell, this is awesome. And I just remember sitting down on the floor of my drink and just watching, you know, she ends up pulling Vivian's,

I think she was wearing a skirt or shorts, I forget, but she pulls them down, and she just starts going down on her in front of, like, everybody just puts her on the floor of the hotel and just starts going down on her. And she had never had a girl go down on her, and she came so hard, it was ridiculous. like she she was like out of breath and screaming

and just like it was ridiculous and when the girl was done like she was like are you okay and Vivian was like laughing she's like I don't know what you just did to me and you know so I was like I go give her a kiss I'm like that was freaking amazing she's naked on the floor in front of everybody I'm like this is okay we went from zero to 60 in an hour and a half

that girl ends up going down on her like I think it was like six more times that night She gives her like six orgasms. It was ridiculous. And Vivian, I, Vivian had never gone down on a girl. So I asked her, I said, can I repay the favor to you? She's like, no, it's okay. I actually don't really like people going down on me.

And I was like, oh, okay. She's like, I just love to do it. So she did it. So one of the other times, she's like, Vivian, come sit up here on the couch. And so, yeah, Vivian's like basically sitting on her face. And I go over there. And I'm like, I'm getting involved somehow. So I started, like, licking Vivian's ass.

while she's like sitting on her face and me and her me and that girl start kissing right there and i just the guys are still sitting against the wall watching the other two girls they were at the tops off they weren't it wasn't as crazy as what these two were doing okay does it turn into swapping at all do the guys ever get to fuck anyone i mean i know your girl's not that into it but none of the other girls fucked anyone else no they didn't so one so my friend's wife was on her period so we knew she was kind of off limits for that night but yeah nothing nothing ended up happening with those any of those really we you We got to about three or four in the morning.

We took, so this girl asks, can she stay in our room with us? So me and Vivian take her back to our room. And we started kissing in bed and stuff. I'm like, okay, I'm going to have my first. I've never had a three with two women. I'm like, this is it, you know? I'm excited. And I asked her, I'm like, are you okay with this if I do anything?

And Vivian was, she was a little tipsy at that point and lots of orgasms. So she was like, yeah, it's fine. And then I couldn't get, I couldn't get hard again, which I think, So through my stories, it'll start to be a theme. I couldn't get hard for this girl or Vivian. And it was like pretty, I felt pretty terrible about it. So they just did some kissing. I see a pattern.

I mean, you're really not into being with these other girls. That's not your thing. Yeah. Yeah. So that's our, and we leave. It's all great. We never see that girl again. I was like, she was amazing.

And Vivian was like, it was great. I can't believe the things she did to me. She made me come so many times and so hard. It was amazing. But I don't. She's too young. And I'm not interested. in seeing her again.

It sounds like your girl hates every experience. Is she ever afterwards like, oh my God, that was so great? What's wrong with Vivian? She obviously is having fun. Yeah, it was, I think she, I think. Does she have to tell herself that to feel better about herself? I don't know. I think she's always like half committed, right?

It's like one toe in the water and she's afraid to fully commit. Yeah, because I see that pattern with her. It sounds like every time she's not like, oh my God, that was so fucking great. But yet she goes back and does it. So I don't understand people like that. Yeah, it's, and that's why I've had those discussions over the years. I'm like, it's like a roller coaster for motions for me, right? It's like, that's why it was like eight years to get from me first talking to where, you know, we got to that point.

So maybe a week later, I get hit up on SLS. So I'm on the SLS app and we edit an account together and the single guy reaches out to me. And he's like, hey, I saw your profile. He's like, you guys look like, I think we'd be a good match. And I look at his picture. She's very picky. She tells me no to a lot of single dudes, a lot of couples. And I kind of know her type at that point.

So I told him, I said, yeah, you're a pretty good looking guy. You know, you got tattoos. She likes that. And I was like, I'll be honest. She's picky. So I'll show her your pictures tomorrow. And I'll reach back out. And he's like, that's all I can ask.

Thank you. You know. So I show her this profile. And I'm like, hey, this guy would like to meet us. He was mentioning that we could meet us. at that club because on Friday nights single guys were allowed to go. And she was like

I do like what he wrote. His profile's good. I like his pictures. He seems very decent. Sure. I'll meet him. Let's go to the club and meet him. And I was like, really? She's like, well, that was the other thing. She's like, I'd like to go to the club again, but maybe by ourselves. Because she didn't love the experience of being there with our friends.

Even though she had a crazy night, that jealousy she experienced earlier. She just felt like she was, I don't know, committed to them. And she's like, let's just go on our own. I'm like, okay. So I write him back and I'm like, hey, yeah, we'll meet you Friday night. And he's like, okay. And this is kind of funny because I'm not, I don't have a big, big dick.

I'm like maybe five and a half inches. I've been kind of, what's the word? No girl needs more than five and a half inches. Are you thick at least or are you thin too? I'm, I'd say a little thick. I'm a medium thick. You have a fine dick, okay? It would be a problem if it was three inches.

and thin, okay? Five and a half inches is five for girl. No girl wants 10 inches of cock or even eight or nine. I'm sorry. Yeah. Well, that's what, so I've, I've been self-conscious about it. I'm not anymore, but I used to be it. Yeah. But so, so he sends me a picture and he goes, just so you're aware, this is what I'm working with. And he sends me a picture of his, of his cock. Is it humongous? It's, it's 10 inches. Well, and then I read his profile, and I'm like, oh, my God, I missed that sentence. He says, says nine inches plus is what I have. And I'm like, oh my God, she's going to flip out. It's, it's, yeah, curved, long, thick, all of it. And I'm like, oh my God, I can't, I can't even tell her

about this. I'm like, she's going to say no now. Let me ask you this, because a lot of guys that are into the hot waiving thing do like a guy to have a really big dick. Like, it is a thing for some of them. So you're one of those that. You see the big dick and you're like, you want to see her with that big dick, right? Yeah. Yeah. I did. I did.

You failed to tell her. Well, yeah, because I always knew they were off the table because other big dick's showed her. She was like, nope, that's too big. Nope. So you don't tell her that this guy has a huge hog before she goes to meet him? Correct. Because she already agreed to meet him and I felt bad.

I didn't want her to cancel. Yeah. You wanted to see her fuck that guy is what it was. So, well, I was like, let's just see what happens, right? Yeah, probably an asshole move on my part. But we go to meet him. right he shows up there meets us at the club very nice well dressed right well spoken awesome dude and him and her hit it off immediately and he's like you know he takes her by the hand and

and she takes me by the hand and he's walking us around she's her she's in the middle like like a queen right he's walking us around the club he's because we didn't get to experience too much of the club without first time so he's taking us around we're watching people you know we do the whipping and stuff on that cross and whatever and i go to the bathroom i come back and she's sitting on his lap and she's making out with them. And I'm like, oh, this is great. This is going really well. And we go back out to the dance floor area.

And I'm like, okay, I go get her a drink and she's sitting on his lap again. And they're just talking. And I'm like, I'm going to go, I don't want to be a lurker. I'm going to go stand over here by the wall. Just people watch. You guys get to know each other. So I'm standing there by the wall. And all of a sudden, this couple comes that I had been talking to a little bit on SLS.

And they're like, oh, hey, yeah, we're here looking for single dudes, too. Where's your wife? And I'm like, well, she's up. We're meeting a guy tonight. She's over there. And they're like, oh, okay, that's cool. And the wife starts being to me. She's like, you're so handsome, this and that.

I'm like, well, thank you. And I'm like, oh, okay, this is a little weird. And I'm trying to talk to them and try to talk to her. But I'm looking at my wife, who's now, like, kissing this guy. His name's Mateo. So she's kissing Mateo now. And I'm like, oh, this is hot. I want to see her kiss him.

Fuck, you know, you guys are distracting me. Next thing I know, I look over and Vivian's looking down at his pant leg. And I was like, uh-oh, I think she found out. So she comes up to me and she's like, hey, he just had me rub his dick under his pants. And she's like, I think it's really big. And I was like, oh, really? You know, I'm like, oh, really? Shit.

I'm like, are you going to be okay with that? She's like, I don't know. It feels, it feels, it looks really big. And she just kind of laughed because she was drinking. And she was like, oh, I don't know. We'll see. And she goes back to him. And eventually, the night's about to end.

And I said to them, I'm like, well, we're taking him back to our room, I think. And I was like, if you guys want to join, I can ask them. And they were like, yeah, that's cool. And I'm like, man, this club is crazy. I'm thinking, you know. So I come up to her and I said, we should probably get going. It's getting late. Do you want to invite him to our room?

And she said, yes, I do. And I was like, okay, I said, this couple here, I was like, they want to come hang out with us too. And I was like, but they're, you know, she's like, well, I'm not doing anything with them. And I said, I don't know. I don't think they want to. I said, I already told them you're with him. I said, I think she, I think they're interested in me. And she was like, oh, well, that's kind of, okay.

That's kind of weird. She's like, as long as I don't see, I guess. And I'm like, okay. So we take them back to our room. and right away he puts on Mateo puts on music and he starts like he takes his shirt off and puts her in a chair and he starts doing like a little lap dance for right

and we're just sitting on the three of us are sitting on the couch watching and he so Vivian does his pants and basically starts sliding his pants down yeah and he joked about later he's like to look on her eyes because her eyes are getting bigger and bigger she was pulling his pants down because she was getting nervous I think because the dick wasn't ending

Yeah, so she was like, and I saw it in real life, and I was like, holy hell. So she just, yeah, she just grabbed it, put it in her mouth. She starts sucking it in front of us. And like we're, and then he stands her up and he like sits her on the desk, I think, and he starts like going down on her in front of us. So now the other woman is getting all excited and she's sitting on my lap and she starts kissing me, but I'm trying to watch them. And I'm like, like, I was like, why did I invite?

I feel so bad I invited these two here. Why did I do this? Right? Because I'm like, I don't, this is not what my interest is. So, you know, I'm trying to pay attention to this woman and the husband's all excited watching her with me. And the next thing I look over and he's got, he's got Vivian like pinned up against the wall. And he just, and he starts putting it inside of her.

And she, yeah, I mean, the look on her face, it was amazing. The first time I saw her, you know, take that. And I have a, but I was so distracted. And so this woman's trying to suck me. And I'm not getting hard. And I was like, I, like, I was like, I was like, I was like, I'm sorry. Like, I don't know if I'm distracted. And she's like, no, it's fine, you know.

And next thing I know, he's taking Vivian over to a bed and around the corner. It was like a big suite. And I was like, can we like, can we go over there? I was like, I want to see what they're doing. And they were like, yeah, okay. So we go back around that corner and he's just, he started. He's plowing Vivian. He's just going to town on her.

And she's never taken a dick that big. And she's just, I mean, the sounds she was making, it was incredible, like, holding her breath and just, it was so awesome. And so they're watching, right? And I'm still, they're trying to get me hard. I can't. So I, like, we end up just quitting the three of us. And we just watch them. And it was so intense for her that he, he basically,

basically he didn't come or anything he just stopped to take a break so he pulls out of her and she's like crying like she's like sobbing and all of us are like oh my god are you okay and she's just like i yeah no i'm fine i'm like does it hurt are you hurt she's like no it's just like this incredible feeling like i i can't explain it she's like i feel like every part of me i feel it all inside of me and i was like that's that's awesome he's like but you're sure you're not hurt you know so she's like no no no no no And they leave, a couple leaves. They're like, yeah, we're going to take off. I'm like, okay, good, bye. So they left. And then basically, I got to finally enjoy the night where I didn't really participate. I just laid next to her. I held her hair.

I, like, kissed her cheek, maybe sucked on a boob a little bit. But he just, yeah, he continued to have sex with her for like an hour. And it was just, it was just awesome. I got to watch her, you know, go down on him again. He went down on her again. And then, yeah, he ends up. just like, you know, coming all over her, which is like my thing. I'm like obsessed with like, I love seeing people come on her or when I come on her.

So he just comes all over her. And then I was just like, okay, I've had enough. And I just basically started jerking off. And I came all over her tits. And she was just covered and come. Right. Yeah. So that was our first experience with him.

And she was like, I enjoyed that. It was really big. I can't believe I did that. And I was like, well, do you want to see him again? Like the next day, oh, the next day we wake up, by the way, and we just have amazing reclaim sex or reconnection sex. You know, it's, again, everybody that says it, I've heard on your podcast, it's true.

It's just incredible the feeling of just, like, connecting with each other again after an event like that. Uh-huh. So, yeah, so we go home and we're talking on the way home, and she's like, you know, I don't mind maybe seeing him again, but let's wait a couple weeks. I don't mind going to the club again, but maybe in a month or two.

And about a week later, he hits us up. And that was the other thing. He was a professional lifestyle guy. So he's a single man. And he's been in the lifestyle for like 10, 12 years, obviously like a bull. And he texted me and he was like, I got to tell you, he's like,

I don't usually do repeats with married women. He's like, but there's something about you guys. I really like your wife and I like you. He's like, you're really cool. And I'd make an exception and see you guys again if you want it. So I asked her, and just by default, the only time we could see him again happened to be like a week later. And she was like, I said, do you want him? And she was like, yeah, okay.

So we ended up going to the club again and meeting him. And yeah, he ended up, he ends up like having sex with her on a VIP couch in front of a bunch of other people. There's like maybe four, five couples sitting on couches just watching. And he's got her pinned down into the couch, her legs in the air, and he's just going to town on her. And so that's the first time she really had sex with anybody in a public space like that, which is just interesting. And why I wanted to preface that we always had very vanilla in the dark, you know, sex our whole life. And also you guys been going to the Swinger Club a bunch of times, but nothing ever happened. So this is like the first time she's crossed that line. Yeah. And the thing about him is he's very dominant.

So he was just like, let's go sit down over here. And he's like, you know, he pulls it out. He's like, you know, put my cock in your mouth. You know, and he just takes her pants off. He's like, lay down. He just takes, he just basically does what he wants. And she really, I'm not dominant. I'm very like, I consider myself maybe switchy, but, you know, I'm more of a sub guy, I guess.

Dominant is never been our thing. So she always, even with that first guy that, you know, we made the mistake with, she really liked he was he was dominant he was like you know she realized she likes being told what to do and that's just the dynamic that she and i did not have right and i you know it's a new thing to get used to when you're like okay i realize my wife wants to be submissive but it's not me she wants to be submissive to someone else so that was a new thing i had to get used to but i found i really liked it and through that we just started meeting him more and we started having three since together the three of us and it just started progressing a lot more where he'd be like you know come over here

and you go down on her while i'm inside of her and so he really started pushing me a little bit like or he'd like come inside of her and then he'd be like go down on your wife after i came inside of her and i and i would right um things like that so we had some hot hot sex for a while and uh so through that me and her started becoming swingers and And not successfully, but she was like, I don't know if I really like, it's okay with him, but she didn't really want to meet other men because she basically, we started seeing him once a month, Mateo. And once a month, we'd go to his house, we'd spend the night, we'd have great threesomes.

And then it started like, hey, he asked if maybe I can go once in a while and visit him on my own. And I was like, okay, you know, I would digest that. And I let her go. and then it was like, hey, he asked if, you know, this is over like, now six months later, he asked if we can maybe see each other every two weeks. And then maybe six months later after that, he asked if we can see each other a week. And it just started progressing.

And through that, she didn't, I think she started to develop feelings for him and him for her. So she didn't really want to see other men. So that's kind of where the hot life journey ended, to be honest. It was like, okay, and I was kind of pushing her like, I wanted her to see multiple guys. But it's not what she wanted. And I was like, I have to respect that. But through that, she said, why don't we maybe start trying to find couples again? And I was like, okay, great.

So we met two couples through SLS. We never went back to the club with them, but we met him, go out to dinner. And one of them lived close to us. So we did try hooking up with them a few times. She really was into the husband. I would struggle with the woman. And that went on for maybe a year with them. And it was just constant struggle, struggle, struggle, struggle.

and I was like, I don't want to do this anymore. Like, I'm not having fun where I got to keep apologizing to this woman while you're upstairs banging away at her husband, right? So that eventually faded. And we met another couple. Same thing. Didn't really work. It faded.

So we kind of just projected away from the couples also. And at this point, so I say we tried swinging. I don't know if we ever were swingers, to be honest, but we tried. Doesn't sound like it. And, yeah. And we just, all the same. sudden we got into polyamory by accident because she basically started. You could probably do an hour about your polyamory mistakes because that's always gives me a fucking headache. We got like five minutes.

If you want to tell us, I could tell it as fast as I can. Essentially, where we're at now is that she started really, she started developing feelings for him and admitted to me that she was in love with him. Oh my God. Yeah. And that he loves her. And he's very respectful to me. And it's amazing. It's funny because it's the first guy we met, right? The second. guy, but whatever, the first real guy. They've been together for four years now, and they, yeah, she has sleepovers at his house.

So this is a polyamory story that doesn't give me a fucking headache. It's a successful one. Everyone's happy in this situation? I would say it's successful and happy. Yeah, obviously it's been lasting for four years. Yeah, we have our moments. I have my moments of insecurity and jealousy,

and then I, essentially like, two years ago, so they were together for two years, I did start to be like, hey, I don't know if this is working for me anymore because you're just doing what you want and now you're not hot wifing for me. I don't, we don't swing. I need, what am I doing? Listen, she's polyamorous. She's with this guy. She's obviously fucking him. Isn't that hot wiping still? I mean, she's not just cuddling with him. She's having sex with her boyfriend, right? Isn't that hot wifing for you? True. But because they started falling like in love with each other,

they stopped, you know, they used to send me videos or pictures and or, or, me dirty things that they did. That kind of stopped and kind of getting away. And we stopped having threesomes because it started getting uncomfortable where I'm trying to have a threesome with them, but I'm like, you guys look like you're making love now in front of me, you know? So it got weird. So it kind of ended. She doesn't really feel comfortable sending picks to me anymore videos. So I was just like, okay. Oh, you've got the short end of the stick here, by the way, but I'm not going to cause any problems. Oh, no, no. I know. You're right. I did. So that's why I was like Sorry, even if she doesn't like it, she should still do it for you because what's in for you then? She's getting something extra and you're getting nothing.

Well, we've had that conversation many times. But two years ago, I said to her, I think I need to start seeing somebody else as well. Oh, okay. Oh, my God. Yeah. She was like, you know what? You're right. I agree. I'm going to have to accept it. And it was a little process. But I dated one girl, hooked up with her a couple times. I successfully hooked up with her, surprisingly. I was going to ask, could you get it up? Yeah, I had my struggles. I had my struggles with her, but that was only like a month or two. And then I met my partner that I'm currently with. Oh, okay.

I should have shut my face. You now have a full-fledged girlfriend, too. Yes. So I met this girl, and we had an amazing connection right off the bat. And I didn't have any struggles with her with no ED, no issues. I did maybe the first month because it was new. Whatever. we don't care about the problems.

Everything's good, though, I mean, because we're wrapping it up. I mean, you're dating this girl. How long? Two years next week. Wow. And is she friends with your girl? And do they ever get it on?

Are there any threesomes in your dating life or no? No. You keep your relationship separate. Yeah, they, so she wanted to meet. She was very vanilla just out of a marriage. She was like, I don't know anything about your lifestyle. This is crazy. And she's like, if I'm going to date you, I need to meet your wife.

Make sure this is legit. They became good. They became friends. They actually were going out sometimes and going out and drinking and trying to meet boys together. But they have never crossed any lines. She's not really by. She knows my wife is. But they both were like, no, if you're going to be his girl, we're not doing that.

So it's very separate when it comes to all that. The four of us have gone together out and like to the beach and like stayed in an Airbnb, them in their bedroom, me and her and my bedroom. And it's been which people find interesting that me and my wife can stay under one roof with our partners. So yeah. Yeah, interesting. And it's been a long time, so it's obviously working. I give anyone credit that could do that.

I think it's a real hard thing to master, but there are certainly, I think more people don't master Polly Amory than do. But when people do do it, it really works out. And I think that that's great. I don't think it's unwork. I definitely don't think it's something that can't, you know, be successful. I've talked to some people. But when I talk to the people, a lot of people, though, it just sounds.

like a fucking nightmare. You know what I mean? It can be. You know what I'm saying? But because it's been so many years and it's so, you know, sort of separated and clear cut and you're both kind of even.

You know, you have your girl, she has her guy. You know, everyone's happy, right? Yeah, yeah. And I'm currently writing all about that in the second book. You should. I think that's an interesting story.

That's what I said. I mean, I could talk to you an hour just about that, you know? And I'm sad, you know, it's like you're bringing it up right now. But it's actually successful which I think is interesting. Like I said, typically when people start to go poly, I'm like, oh my God, I got to get my

Tylen all out because I'm going to have a fucking head. But I love, but I have, like I said, talk to people who have made it work. It's definitely doable, but it's not for everybody, but it works for you guys. And so now that's all you guys do, no swinging, no anything else, just vanilla sex with each other and boyfriends and girlfriends on the side. We're trying to. So she had, she's had some health issues the last year, but so we're still, we're talking about trying to get back out and maybe because maybe find another guy or maybe find a couple.

But how is it, though, going from your guy's sex life being, you know, very not vanilla and you guys doing all this kind of fun, kinky things together to going back to kind of being vanilla but having a side piece. Like, which lifestyle did you prefer? That's my last question. Yeah, I think I prefer this. And we're not as vanilla anymore either. So we've opened up our sex life because of all this.

And her experiences with have. Well, like, just like we're not as vanilla anymore. We have lights on. We, she, she likes being restrained now. But it's only you and her together, right? So like you like it. So you're okay with not doing the swinger clubs and, you know, her fucking other guys and the threesomes and, you know, couple stuff anymore. Yes.

The swinger club closed, but me and her go to hotel takeover still. But we don't really play with other people because it just hasn't happened, but we like going to the party. So that's still a small. Oh, okay. So you do go a little bit. Okay. Interesting. Yeah.

Yeah. Interesting. What an interesting journey. I have to tell people, I looked your book up on Amazon. It gets really great reviews. People have nothing but like really killer stuff to say about your book. And I think, you know, they're all verified purchases. So it's not fucking bullshit, which I think is like, kudos to you.

I could tell you're a good writer by the way you tell your story. You know, by the way you told your story here. I probably didn't need to say one fucking word. But, you know, I like to talk. So I did interject. But you kind of probably could have just done it all yourself. So you're obviously a good writer. and I have to say your book gets great reviews.

So if anyone wants to hear the long story, I think there's so many, probably so many more details included in that. I will put a link to your book on Amazon, okay? Awesome. For sure. And, you know, listen, most authors, I come on my book, sell, come on my show sell a lot of books. So I'm sure people are going to go check it out.

Like I said, I look to see the reviews. I'm one of those people. And it's really good reviews. From a lot of people, I mean, you got 43 reviews, which for yourself, like your son, published, right? Correct. Yeah, that's kind of a lot.

So that's not only 43 people read your book. 43 people took auction to write a review, which means you probably have done well selling your book yourself, which you should, you know, is great, which I think is great. So I will put a link in this description. Thanks so much for calling in. You know, your whole story was super fascinating. And, you know, and let's sell some books.

Like I said, I'm going to put the link in the description for you. I appreciate that so much, yeah. And I got permission from her. I'm sending pictures. Oh, good, good, good. You know my whole deal. Yes, yes. Semi anonymous picks for my Patreon. Then when, you know, after we get up this call, you get a thank you email from me with a link to Discord. You could sign up for my Discord. My Discord's very naughty. It's way worse than Tumblr over there.

You get in for free. And you could post anything you want in there. You could just look, you know, but if you and you could also post in the guest in the guest channel when your episode comes out. But send me those pictures sooner than later, okay? I will. Thank you so much. Thanks, Sebastian. Thanks so much for calling in and being such a easy, um, Great guess. I didn't really have to talk, but I still did. Bye. Awesome. Bye. Thank you. Okay. I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in paperback

and ebook, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like, there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck story. There's a gang being girl story. Like I said, 17 stories, and they're all told in the third person, and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person, and I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like Penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erot. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories. 17 of them. They're really

short chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format, and finally, the audiobook is available coming out August 25th. But you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint, okay? There's no way you get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay, I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other, and that's what you get to do there. You can post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you can win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be.

It's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private, like I said. All you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook, the ebook or the paperback. Send it to me at Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com. That's strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com. And I will send you the link to Discord.

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