Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1226 - Blake & his GF are Both Bisexual Swingers

Episode Date: September 18, 2025

Blake and his girlfriend (Kitty ep#982) are bisexual swingers and he called in to talk all about it. When and how did they meet? What happened during their first naughty hook-up? And, what kind of things are they into now? Tune in to find out plus hear all about how they started going to swingers clubs and what they like to do when there there, his past vanilla relationships and how he finally can live out all his fantasies, how he’s a switch who enjoys both being a dom and a sub, his first hook-up with a guy he met online and exactly what went down, his interest in pegging and gloryholes and theme nights at the swingers club, their rules and regulations for their open relationship, what they enjoy doing to men during a mmf thruway, how they vet the guys they hook up with, his fetish for latex, his issues seeing his girlfriend with another guy and how that plays into his past and a whole lot more. REPEAT THURSDAY, originally aired 01/2022 **To see HOT pics of BLAKE & HIS GF KITTY plus my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712   Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed.   Sponsors:  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://vb.health⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To get 10% off Drive Boost by VB Health use code: STRICTLY ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://beducate.me/pd2528-anonymous⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Use code: ANONYMOUS to get 50% off your yearly pass plus get a 14-day money-back guarantee ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://uberlube.com/discount/Strictly⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Use code: STRICTLY for 10% off Uberlube aka the BEST Lube EVER ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Get your first month of the new Blewchew Max FREE! use code: STRICTLYANON ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://butterwellness.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Use the code “STRICTLY” at checkout for 20% off your entire order To get $15 OFF your female oxytocin arousal tablets and more, use code STRICTLY here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://shamelesscare.sjv.io/xLQ3Jv⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow me! Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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description to find my Patreon and it'll take you where you need. to be. So anyway, I'm going to get right to my caller today. His name is Blake. Now, Blake is partnered up with Kitty. I was supposed to talk to Kitty. Okay. He sent me a whole email. Do you want to talk to us together? Do you want to talk to us apart? And I said, let's do it apart. Like I'll tape you and then tape her because they both had really super interesting backstories. But Kitty flaked. I should have had her calling first. Okay. If someone's going to flake, I would have rather been the guy because my female episodes. Everyone's like loves them. But Kitty never called in. She flaked. I don't know what happened to her. But Blake called in and gave his whole side of their super interesting open relationship. These, this couple, Blake and Kitty, were co-workers. He was kind of like her boss, I think. And, uh, they started to hook up on the DL because she was still with somebody. And they just like went at it sexually speaking and put all their cards on the table. And from the

get-go, they were doing all kinds of things with each other. They eventually fell in love and turned their sexual relationship into a real relationship. They live together now, and they do all kinds of things together. Do I keep saying the word together? He's a switch. He likes, you know, a little BDSM. He likes anal. He's into guys. I think he said he's bisexual. He talks about his first experience with men with guys when he was younger and how that came about. He gets into his first hookup with a guy. He talks about his ex-wife and how she found all his like pegging and strap on stuff because he's into that as well and why that didn't work.

He has a long history of like women cheating on him. So it's super interesting that this is a guy that now is able to watch his girl with other guys. They go to Swingers Club. He does have some sort of weird feelings about that. And we talk about it because I'm like very curious about that connection. Right here you are a guy who has been cheated on a lot. And now you're going to share your partner. How does that work?

He talks about it. But anyway, he talks also about, you know, how he really wanted to explore. He saw male and female sex workers. He went to glory hall places. They currently go to swingers clubs like once a month. And their swingers club is cool. Like they have different nights, you know, be bisexual nights

gang bang nights they typically play together they talk about their rules and regulations and what's also on their bucket list of what they haven't done yet because they've done a lot and he talks about all of it he also has a fetish for latex he gets into that too so I'm telling you

the whole episode no you got to hear all the details and he's going to get into them so I am going to be right back on with Blake hi Blake welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast how are you this morning or it's actually night time for you morning for me because you're calling from Australia. Hey, Kathy. Yeah, it's about 11 o'clock at night. I'm doing well. Thank you for having me on.

So let's get into your story. I mean, you're in a relationship with your partner. Is it your wife or are you just your partner? Just my partner. We've been together for about three years now as a relationship. But we've been having fun, if you will, for about five years now. Now, did you go into your relationship with Kitty? Like, hey, let's like, you know, like were you guys both open about who you were and found each other like on a kink website and went in being an open couple? Or did that develop over time? Yeah, it developed over time.

We worked together many years ago. I'm a bit older than she is. I've got about seven years on her. So maybe it was the senior guy in the office a bit older. and maybe I had that allure and that charm that won her, I'm not sure. But yeah, we worked together for a little while. It came close as friends. And I think, you know, when you become good friends with someone, naturally, you know,

you'll have a couple of drinks and the texting will start to be a bit more curious. And, you know, what are you into? How's your dating life? And she had a boyfriend at the time. And, you know, I'm an open person. I'm sort of that Aussie culture of, you know, no fucks given, as we say. So I'll ask questions, I'll probe and, you know, see what's what, just because one thing for me that sort of gets me off mentally is I love reactions of people.

So when I'm with partners or doing different things, not only do I want my own enjoyment, but seeing how other people react to either things I'm doing or the situation really sort of just is like fireworks in my head. Okay. Yeah, we spoke a bit and we sort of got to know more about each other's desires and kinks. And through my dating life, I've tried and done lots and lots of things, you know, from an early age, thinking about, you know, being with men or anal sex. And, you know, I really got sort of down this rabbit hole in my late 10 years of wanting a mistress and, you know, to be pegged. And an obsession with latex and those sorts of things. So my brain from an early age really went in every direction you can imagine.

And so through talking to Kitty, you know, she had similar opinions and similar desires. And I think in life, you know, and I'll be a bit cheesy here for a moment, Kathy, but I think in life they say you're lucky to meet a soulmate. I also think that you have a sexual soulmate. So if you're lucky to find someone who everything just clicks, right? the sexual side, the chemistry there, you know, you just bounce off each other and really hit the double whammy, as I say, because, you know, her and I are in love and she's an amazing person. But if you remove that and it's purely a sexual thing, then I found my match.

I found someone that just keeps me lit up all the time. Right. But now when you're, so you're, because you're friends for a while before that, do you guys just talk about like the shit that you were into and that's how? you figured out you were this set you know you had this kind of compatibility or did you guys reveal all the stuff that you were into once you started dating no no no so through a lot of the talking and just you know developing that trust you know we'd share different things about what we're into and you know like i'm an ass guy and i was into anal and those sort of things with a woman and not that i'm the most endowed guy in the world but i hadn't really found a girl that was happy to try

and to take me, if you will. And so I remember one night, we were messaging back and forth. It was a bit sexual on Snapchat. And one thing that I want to do is meet a girl, you know, that I can, you know, fuck in the ass. And she sort of said, I'm into anal and I said, oh, yeah, a lot of girls say that. And then, you know, push comes to shove. They back out and then those sorts of things.

And lo and behold, she sends me back a photo of her, you know, with this, like, big pink doodoo in her ass, like playing at home. And I was just like, I just fucking lost it. My brain just went insane. It was like Fourth of July or sort of New Year's Eve fireworks. I'm just like, holy shit, something I want is potentially attainable. But I knew she had a partner. So I'm like, you've got a partner.

Is it open? Is it closed? And she sort of said, oh, look, it's semi open. I'm like, cool, when can you come around? Right. Like, I've got my own house, like, come to me type thing. And I think it was about a week or so before we sort of event. you know, met up and, you know, you exchange photos and, you know, she was happy with what she

saw and I was happy with what I saw and yeah, it was just electric and it was just awesome, you know, finally being able to, you know, fuck a girl that I was really attracted to and liked, you know, in the ass and to sort of do that experience and you sit back and you reflect afterwards and you're just like, fuck, are you real? Right. And now, was there an issue because she did have a relationship or At first was it like, oh, this is cool. I could just like, F her in the ass, you know, and have fun and I don't need to, you know, we don't have to deal with anything else. She's got her boyfriend.

I mean, how, like, what was, did it start out like intimate, like in other areas? It was, it was mainly a physical thing. She had permission to sort of, you know, go and have physical trice. And it was also a relationship that was on its last legs. So it didn't really last that long from when we started. talking, you know, on a more personal sexual level. And then eventually after sort of a month or two, through various reasons, you know, she ended that relationship and I think it was the right thing for her. Not because, you know, it allowed her to, you know, be with me, for instance, but just

it freed up a lot of other other things in her life that were stopping her from doing what she could do and achieve. Right. Now, I know you said you're a little bit older than her. What was your relationship history at that moment? Had you ever been married? Were you divorced? Were you single? I had. Yeah. So I was I was divorced or going through a divorce at the time. That was quite bad. You know, every relationship I've ever had, women have cheated on me, which, you know, hasn't been good. Whilst I'll go around and I'll fuck lots of things and I'll do lots of crazy things, if I'm in a relationship with someone, I'm committed unless, you know, there's open, trusted agreements of like, hey, you can go play with that girl or that guy or whatever, like, I'm cool.

Had you ever been married? Were you divorced? Were you single? I had. Yeah, so I was divorced or going through a divorce at the time. That was quite bad. You know, every relationship I've ever had, women have cheated on me, which, you know, hasn't been good. Whilst I'll go around and I'll fuck lots of things and I'll do lots of crazy things, if I'm in a relationship with someone, I'm committed unless, you know, there's open, trusted agreements of like, hey, yep, you can go play with that girl or that guy or whatever, like, I'm cool, you know, and we've got that understanding. But, you know, when I'm with someone, like, it's sort of like tunnel vision, you know,

the rest of the world doesn't exist to me. And yeah, a lot of my history just that got thrown in my face. And, you know, I experienced bad women that weren't the right women. And I think that's part of why I developed. this side of me that really enjoys, you know, like a strong mistress type experience. You know, I identify as a switch. You know, I like to call it almost like a werewolf sort of experience, you know, once in a blue moon, I'll go from my normal dominant state to just being in this sort of depraved sexual state and you're wanting to be a slave for the girl that I'm with.

and, you know, my partner is absolutely amazing. She wasn't, she had never experienced anything like that until I explains that part of my brain and my desires to her. And it was a gradual buildup and it's now at a point where she'll be nagging me to going when slave coming out, you know, like, I want a pump, I want this, I want to that, I want to do, I want to that. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just like, oh, yeah, that part, that light will turn on soon.

Don't worry. It's not something that I sort of force. Yeah, yeah. And that's sort of why I say it's like once in a blue moon, right? It's like, you know, like, shit, we haven't had burgers for like six months. I really want a burger. You know what? I even like how you said it's like kind of like the werewolf experience.

Like something comes out every now and then and like you just turn into this like you said, submissive little slave. But it's not. And you don't even know. I mean, you don't control it. It's just, it just sort of comes over you when the time is you feel it. Yeah, exactly. And then look, sometimes she'll trigger it, right?

she'll send me a photo of her in like a latex outfit or you know and that will just sort of send me through the edge it'll either make me go crazy dom and there's punishments to be had or it will sort of put me into that slave mindset of like how do I serve I want you so bad I'll do anything you say please please please type brain now you did say I think because my history and all this stuff that happened to me in the past that turned me into this or made me interested in a dumb What do you mean by that? I think because of the women I dated were, they were dominant in their personality. You know, that was sort of mean girl types.

They walked all over me, if you will. And I think being so accustomed to that, you know, when you'd have moments of being treated nicely, it would just be super gratifying. It would just be like a desire to reach. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And look, I'm a generous person with any partner I've had. I'll buy things. I bought girls BMWs. I bought jewelry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You name it, right. Like, kitty on her first birthday where she was my actual partner. You know, I took her to YSL and said, choose a bag.

And she was like holding back tears going, what do you mean? I'm like, choose a bag. Like, here's my card. Like I'm going to the video game section. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice. Fun. She enjoys it.

So. Listen, we talked, I talked about this with somebody the other day. I don't know if you heard that episode, but it was like love language. You know, everyone has different sort of things that make them feel loved. I was talking about how mine is like presents. And it's not, it's not shallow because I'm not that person at all. But it's like for some reason I judge somebody's feelings for me by their presence. Like, you know, when I was little, I would count the presence that my brother and sister got.

And if they got more than me, I felt like my parents loved me less. And that's just like, that's what love language is. It doesn't make sense. I'm not a materialistic person. I'm not that way at all. I'm not a consumer. You know, it doesn't come from that place, but it is a certain love language. You like to do that.

So you're, you know, a girl that likes that, you know, that's like perfectly. That's great. It's been exploited. Yeah. Like, I've had it exploited in the past. Of sure. Yeah. You know, Kitty, my partner now, she doesn't want for those sorts of things.

Yeah. But, you know, like I'll provide. them and you know she's very grateful and loving and it's it's a good experience right so yeah so wait it's interesting to me the psychology of why you feel you became a switch or you know tapped into that part of yourself because of your previous bad relationships and it was because they were so bad do you feel like you're recreated but somehow there's like a control of it or something like I still don't know, I can't get the connection, but it's interesting to me. Yeah. Yeah, it's possible. I mean, you know, if you're a star sign person, I'm a Gemini. Yeah. So I definitely feel as if I have two personalities.

One is, you know, is the primary, the more dominant. Yeah. I've been with Kitty, for example, you know, and I feel bad reflecting on it. But in the early parts of us, you know, hooking up and banging and those sorts of things, I wouldn't kiss her. what do you mean right so like because i was so withdrawn emotionally from a bad divorce and from thinking of women in different ways we'd be intimate and she'd come around and like i'd kiss a body but it would be rare that it'd be like kissing her on the mouth and so it became very object-like um and it took me a long time to you know really feel as if like hey i can love someone I can be more affectionate in that way to someone.

Yeah. So that was a really interesting thing about how I treated partners or women or people when I was going through that sort of emotional state. Obviously now, like we'll kiss all the time and those sorts of things, but you reflect on it and maybe I was a bit mean and the dominant side was too restrictive, you know, to have that emotional connection. You know, and in that world, you know, we talk about after-k, Yeah. You know, you go through a role or a scene or whatever you call it and you want to make

sure the person's, you know, happy and they've come out of that state and, you know, things are good. So wait, okay, so let me get past that because I'm always harping on things. Sometimes I don't, I think people are like, get back to the story. Kathy. So wait. So, you know, here you are just kind of being physical with her and having great sex. She's a coworker of yours or works for you. I mean, when does it start to turn into a relationship? So we were both sort of, yeah, single, having fun. You know, we worked together for a little while and we had some antics at work, which were fun. And I would say through about two years of, you know, the friends of benefit, her being a best friend to me, you know, not just the physical friend.

It got to a point where I sort of like, I think I love this girl and I think I want to sort of make things a bit more concrete with this girl. and, you know, do I really feel comfortable, you know, watching her go out on dates and to experience other guys? And because that was still happening, right? Like, we were both sort of, you know, more so her than me, dating and trying to sort of find normal whilst we were still sort of having fun on the side. And, yeah, something clicked and sort of wanted to make it more concrete. And, you know, I sort of, yeah, just asked her that question, you know, like, do you want to make this more serious? You know, you want to be my girlfriend. This is how I feel.

and she felt the same way. It took me another three or four months, I think, before I said I love you. Because that was another blocker I had, I think, through all the past traumas that I had with women. Just being able to sort of feel as if I could do that again and to sort of allow myself to feel that way. And then, yeah, we sort of just have gone strength to strength, which has been good and it's evolved. You know, I'm big on trying to realize goals or dreams or achievements, you know, not only in business and work, but also the sexual side, right? So as we, you know, we got deeper and deeper into our kinks and what we wanted.

And, you know, we sort of discovered like, hey, let's play with other people. And we started going to Swingers Club, which was an awesome experience. She learned more about the submissive side of me, not just the dominant side, which she was obviously accustomed to, but that submissive side is also, you know, the appropriate label is probably bisexual. On a physical sense, you know, on an emotional sense, I would never date a guy, I would never kiss a guy. I can easily get the ick or turned off from a bloke that's interested because of just different characteristics that, you know, we'll just go, no, I'm not, not playing with you, you know. Yeah, one of the fun things that we would do, and I think I told you this in my email to you, was I'm a sort of try anything once type of person when it comes to sexual things. And so we'd give each other like tasks or like challenges, right? Like go and do this.

And one that I've got for her at the moment is next time we go to this swingers club, I said to her, we're not leaving until you've blown 10 guys. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And it's sort of a bit of a challenge. It hypes things up. and it gets you excited, I guess. And for her, like, when I've been in my really deep submissive states,

she'll say to me, like, I want you to go to a gay cruise lounge, and I want you to go and, like, you know, blow a couple of guys, and then I want you to tell me all about them, all the different dicks and all this sort of stuff. And, you know, that power play, we both really enjoy. Mm-hmm. When was your first hookup? with a guy, you know, when did you, because I know that you said when you were younger, you started out thinking about that. And I do know that there was this whole thing where like

you charged up a lot of, you know, you were like into phone sex when you were like a little kid and charged up a lot and you got in trouble. So, you know, when did you, when did you have your first experience with the guy? Was it when you were way younger? Yeah, so I was 18, but my interest in it was probably when I was about 15, 16. So yeah, so it's a funny story. you know, this girl that I was seeing when I was 1516 and, you know, just through, I think, probably becoming addicted to online porn when I was a kid and a teenager, you'd sort of look and you'd start to go into different rabbit holes with different things. And I remember discovering strap-on porn and sort of, you know, pegging and, you know,

buy sort of threesomes and those sorts of things. And I don't remember how it came up with the girl at the time, but she was really understanding standing and she's like, oh, do you think you're gay? And I said, oh, look, I don't think I'm gay. I just think, you know, I'm really curious about trying different experiences. You know, I'd watch porn and I'd notice the girl that I'm into, but also, you know, that guy's got a nice looking dick. Like, you know, I'll go search for videos that have that guy in it because I wanted to match

up the girls that I liked with a good dick, right? Like, I didn't want to see porn where there's a hot girl, you know, fucking the fat guy or you know fucking the small dick guy right like that was just not a thing that i was i was wanting to experience so anyway the funny story was was that she's she had a couple of gay friends and she borrowed one of their pornoes and we're in her room and she puts this this video in the DVD and she's like here let's watch it if you get hard you're gay you're into men and so i'm sitting there watching it and you know i've got you know i'm like half naked right and she's sort of like, you know, flicking my dick.

And she's like, you know, anything, what do you think? Do you like him? Do you like that one? And I'm just like, this is fucking weird. I don't know. So nothing happened. And she was really understanding, really fun about it all. But yeah, so my first time with a guy, I was 18,

I'd had these thoughts and this desire to sort of want to try blowing a guy or sort of being with a guy. And I sort of bit the bullet. I went through, like, the classifieds in the local newspaper, found a good. that, you know, offered sort of massage. And so I booked him and I drove like, you know, 20, 30 minutes from my house. You know, I was 18. I was nervous as hell.

And this like sort of mid-30s guy opens the door. He was shorter than me. I'm six or three. So I'm a big guy. And when I was, you know, 18, I was in the gym six days a week. So I was sort of, you know, like I looked after myself and, you know, this mid-30s sort of dad board type of guy opens the door. and I'm like, okay, this is interesting.

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And so I'm like, hey, can I blow you? And he's like, yeah, yeah. So I start blowing him. That goes on for like five, 10 minutes max. And then just something in my head clicked. I'm just like, I need to leave, not feeling this. And so I sort of stopped. I'm like, look, mate, thank you.

But I need to go. So it's all over in like 30 minutes max. And then I didn't act on it for years. Is it because it freaked you out, you think? Like, because of that moment. Yeah, look, it freaked me out. I think it was wrong situation. wrong person, you know, the build-up was weird.

Like, I went straight after work, you know, like I was still in, you know, business closed and just sort of, yeah, it was just definitely not the right way to try that experience. So you waited, so years went by, yeah. Yeah, years went by. I didn't explore any of that with my ex-wife. She was very vanilla. She was very judgmental. I remember she found some of the, like, strap-on.

pegging DVDs that I'd hidden in my room when I was like 21, 22. And she flipped out, like went full crazies if I cheated on her. And it was like this big sort of breakdown thing. And I sort of said like, you know, I'm not gay. I'm not, you know, whatever. It straightened itself out. Years went by. And so I had this big part of my brain where I felt like I was sort of, you know,

an animal in the cage. I couldn't let out one side of me. Yeah. That wanted to do a different thing. and, you know, to try different acts and to explore, right? Because I was with someone who didn't want any of that. And anyway, getting divorce was the best thing because obviously I was free, right? I was free to go and explore and to go different things.

And, you know, I went and, you know, saw prostitutes, you know, I saw... Male and Female, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I saw, you know, male female. I went to male sex clubs, you know, and they're really funny. It's like a movie where you see, like, the Turkish. baths and there's men in towels walking around. Half of them are creepy and you'd be like, I'm never touching you, get away from me. Some are okay. But the good thing about it was the anonymity

because there'd be glory hall rooms. And so I'd go into a glory or a whole room and then just sort of, you know, wait. And, you know, I'd blow a couple of guys or whatever and that'd be me. I'd be done. I'd have guys that were like trying to touch me, you know, like when you're sort of like waiting in between different areas where the spa or the pool is or the different sort of sex rooms and all the time it's sort of like freaked me out like let me do my thing you know discreetly like I don't want to talk to you I just you know like just want to go and sort of you know blow a dick and a hole type thing and then I'm done so yeah so lucky there was a couple experiences there and that's when sort of kitty came into the picture which has been great like I said we've we go to a swingers club now

probably once a month, once every two months. And the really cool thing is that they're themes, right? Like they have different theme nights and events. And so that allows us to sort of bring out these different personas or desires that we have and really explore that. Like they have a night where it's for, you know, like bisexual people. So the whole point of the night is that there will be guys playing with guys and girls playing with girls. And that's the norm.

Other nights it will be like a masquerade or it will be a club, theme like, you know, like we're like festival gear and lots of stuff. And there's even one party where it's like a gang bang, right? And there's, you know, 80 single guys or guys in general and 10 women. And there's beds and it's just like you're here to bang and service the women that have gangbang fantasies. Right. So we haven't gone to that one yet. I think it's on kiddies list. I think it's on everyone's fucking list. Because let me tell you, when I put an episode, I'm just going to tell you, I could see by my download numbers. Like, what? What's really super popular?

What's lower on the list? You know, and I know. And let me tell you, gang bangs. Always, I mean, there is something about that. It must be everyone's, like, hottest fantasy or something because it is the most downloaded, you know, genre, I don't know, or topic that I have. Yeah, I think it's the big taboo thing, right? Yeah, I guess. That girl or that guy, you know, they want five or six people at once.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. like they want to be, you know, in a smorgasbord. Yeah. And it just, yeah, it sets all the lights off in people's brains. But that's interesting that that Swingers Club has a bisexual night and men can be by, because I have heard from other swingers who I talk to. They're, and, you know, their biggest gripe, especially for guys that are, you know, once and a while I want to hook up with a guys, that it's not, it's a little bit frowned upon or not

really still accepted within that community. So I think it's cool that your club that you go to is very open about that and welcomes there and they have a night about it, right? Yeah, yeah, like they even have an all-girls night, so there's no men, right? So if you're a female that's interested or curious and you want a safe space, like off you go, which is awesome, right? There's a lot of venues and places that are seedy, are dodgy, and you don't know whether you feel safe there. but this particular venue is, yeah, is really good. And they have the buy night, I think, once every two months. It's not sort of a weekly thing.

But the last time we were there, there was like 100 people. Yeah, that's amazing. Do you enjoy seeing her with other people? Does she enjoy seeing you with guys? How does that sort of dynamic work? Does she ever see? Because you haven't obviously an open relationship. I just don't know how it's set up.

Like, is it just that you guys play with other clubs? Yeah, look, it's open. a sense of we play together, not alone. I guess me being the male, it's the role of, yep, we'll play with you or no, we won't, the bouncer, if you will, right, to get to get to her. And it happens a lot. There'll be guys that'll be like, you know, when are you guys going to play, have any fun yet? And we had a guy once who, yeah, he had a few drinks, but he would have asked me six times, like, you know, when are you guys going to play? Like, are you keen? I'm like, mate, when I'm ready, I'll come get you.

Like, I know who you are. If I think it's good, you'll know, right? It'll be on. And you just didn't get the picture. But so she likes seeing me with guys and how we do that dynamic is she'll join in, right? So we'll be blowing a guy together and then she really loves that. She's never seen me get fucked by a guy. That's something that's on the list as it's a hard thing to prepare for, right?

Either you can prepare for anal and go somewhere and be like, cool, I'm ready. Where's the dick? But you don't find any dip. Right? And it's like, shit, I've put in all the pre-works nothing. Or you can go and turn up and be like, oh, I'm not keen for this tonight. Yeah, there's the perfect deck. And you're like, shit.

Yeah. Like, I really wanted you to fuck me tonight. But I'm not like, where's the bathroom? Where's the, yeah. So that hasn't happened, but it's something that's on the list. She had fantasies of, you know, being tag team, as they say, or having two guys at once. And, you know, we wanted to sort of find someone that, I, was clean and looked all right, you know, met some sort of size requirements, you know, because she doesn't want a guy that's got a small dick, unfortunately, right? And I don't want to really see that either.

Not there's anything wrong with it. It's just preferences that we both have. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so we found a guy on FetLife, right, an online sort of kink group. And, you know, we sort of said, like, hey, we go to these parties. Love talking to you. Your photos are good. You like our photos.

If you can get through the vetting process to get in, like, we'll have a drink with you at a bar beforehand. Yeah. And we'll go in together, buy a ticket. If we don't match when we're naked type thing and the vibe's not there, you've got 50, 60 other couples women flirting around. to go get your nut off. Yeah, that's kind of a good setup.

Yeah, and look, it worked really well. You know, the guy was there, you know, and we had a threesome. He was somewhat vicarious and was similar to me, you know, he wanted a mistress and those sorts of things. That type of play, obviously, we weren't prepared for, so it didn't happen. But, you know, like, it was still a good time. You mean the anal with him? What type of play that didn't happen?

Or he and I blowing each other or anything like that. So the focus was about Kitty, right? And so he was giving her two guys at one. once and that sort of an experience. And, yeah, it went really well. It was a good night. He spoke to the guy next day and he stayed until like 3 a.m. The club used to close at 3 a.m.

And he said he played with another couple of people and, you know, had a really good night. And, you know, thanked us for, you know, sharing that venue and what he'd be able to experience there, not just with us. Yeah, yeah. So that's been good. Yeah, like it's just a regular thing for us to try and do. There's a couple of things left on the bucket list, if you will. Some are more difficult to organize than others.

And so, yeah, we're sort of just gradually going through that. As it happens, we were there a week ago, and, you know, we were in a foursome with another couple, which was great. A foursome. We're at the club. Yeah. Yeah, at this club. And it was funny that the guy that was there apparently had come five times at night. And I felt bad because we're playing and, you know, the girls start lying, you know, kiddie's blowing me and this girl's blinding me and this girl's blinding.

her partner and it just felt like the blowjob fest and so we got a private room and you know his girl went to start blowing him again and i'm like no no no let's please the girls right so throw the girls on the bed start you know going down on them and it's like let's make them come mate like you just sat here for half an hour you know getting blown by your girlfriend or kiddie's helping her out right he's getting two for one and i'm like what we're doing is spice it up and it was this yeah the guy i think he'd just too much a drink or he'd come too many times and couldn't stay hard and so I feel bad because his partner and then Kitty was helping kept sucking this guy's dick until he eventually came and I'm sort of just there watching it was really hot in this room

on the air conditioner broke or something but I'd come once and I went to get water and they're still gone this guy's just you know lazy as shit just you know everyone just keeps sucking my dick and I'm like has anyone come yet and you know he's like yeah you made you made me come a few times right like you know mouth and hands and I ask he's got like have you come yet she's just like, no, I'm like, fuck, how do we make you come? She's like, oh, I don't know if I will, I came earlier today. And I just felt bad. Yeah. Yeah, and then the boyfriend says, oh, come on, keep sucking me. I'm just like, oh, fuck, all right. Yeah, so there's some interesting dynamics that that happen in these types of places, which I'm sure you've heard before.

Yeah, no, I mean, you always hear something new, you know what I mean? It doesn't matter how many stories I've heard. I always hear a new one. I mean, you'll be interested in the one that comes out on Sunday. It's a guy who like has a sets up swinger situations with his wife, but she has no idea. He's like sort of setting up all these threesomes that they have. She thinks they're just like random.

But wait, so you only play at the club. Do you ever go and meet anybody outside instead of threesome in your home or is it only at that swingers club? Okay, cool. Interesting. Yeah, the home is off limit. We both work in high profile.

business technology companies. Uh-huh. So we need to be discreet and careful with what we do and how we do things. Yeah. Um, so the home is off limits. We vet, we talk and weed out people quite a lot. Mm-hmm.

Just to make sure that there's, you know, similar mindsets with people. Um, the club is just a safe place. I think we might, we may find someone eventually, like if we're out, you know, to dinner and we got a nightclub, you know, go to drinks, you know, pick someone up at a bar. I think that's all fine. that may happen but it's not something we've tried to do

now with Kitty do you watch her have sex with other guys like do you have any rules or boundaries I mean like everything's sort of on the table except you don't play separately but you do full swaps and all that kind of stuff correct yeah correct so I've seen her with other guys whether it's yeah she's there

and she's blowing two guys at once and I'm sort of just there watching you know like I'll be grabbing her hair and whispering things things in her ear, like, you know, be a good girl, make them both come. And so that dominant side in me comes out. Yeah, interesting, right. The switch, you're a switch. I guess, yeah, yeah. So, do I enjoy it? It's an interesting feeling because there's a part of me that's like, that's my girl, this is weird. Yeah. But the big part of me that likes to see her fulfill her fantasies, to see her in pleasure, in enjoyment, that takes over. Yeah, I've heard that a lot. Yeah. Go, go, do.

The main rule is obviously, you know, use protection, like, I'm the only one that will ever, you know, fuck her without a condom. She doesn't really kiss guys, although, like, you know, she has. But, like, that's an intimate thing, right, to be kissing someone. As weird as that sounds compared to, like, hey, I just blew someone, right? No, but everyone understands that. Yeah, yeah. So, look, that's the main thing. And I think one of the main reasons why I'm there, I'm watching is just a safety thing, right?

Like, you don't know how another guy is just going to go, oh, here's some free pussy. You're like, I'm just going to shove my dick in and just pump her as hard as I can. Yeah. Right. And just like, hurt, hurt your partner. And so, yeah, like, yeah, I've seen her do a lot of things. She hasn't done anal with anyone else yet. You know, getting DP'd is on the list.

But it's a trust thing, right? And again, you don't want someone just to, you know, like, I don't know how I'd be as a protector and as a partner, you know, if someone's mistreating her or. they've crossed the boundary right like they start slapping a face you know right you know just being too rough like you don't know how you're going to be in that situation and yeah you don't really the guy that's you know grab someone else off you your partner and just you know throwing them into a wall and be like you know fuck off mate of course and i'm sure it's more and that's probably why you know the club scenario really works because yeah you're in public there's so many yeah of course now in your

other relationships i'm wondering i forgot to ask like were any Did you try to have this kind of relationship with any of your previous, like, relationships as far as like going to swingers clubs or opening up your, you know, have three, since, nothing. No, I had tried sharing the wanting to be pegged and then that sort of thing before. I tried sharing that with my ex-wife. Yeah. Didn't go well. You know, excuse me of being gay.

or things like that, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It wasn't a good situation. And so it sort of made me repress a lot of those desires and feelings. And like I said, I felt like, I was an animal in a cage, right? Like there was this big part of my brain that I could let out, I couldn't explore. I couldn't, you know, go and do. So, yeah, look, that was probably really it.

You know, there's a lot of fear, right? Like, I think it's a big thing to tell a partner, like, hey, I want your finger in the ass or I want to get a strap on or whatever or even to go like, hey, once every so often, you know, I think about blowing a guy or like I'd like a guy to fuck me eventually. Like to share those feelings more often than not, the other person will react badly. Yeah. And their view of you will turn. And so it's easier just to keep it under wraps.

Totally. I think that's that happens more than it doesn't. And I understand that. It's very scary to really put all the things that you're into, just really on the table because like you said a lot of times people are not going to react well and then their whole vision of you changes it could ruin a relationship yeah yeah exactly i mean there were little things that i'd share like most partners have known that i've got a fetish for you know i'm a bit like a cat so like shiny pants and leggings and you know latex sort of leather material yeah you're into that

yeah uh-huh yeah oh is that wait is that why your girl is called kitty or did she make that up or did you make that up? Is it because you're into fucking cats? Or you think you're a cat? Or is that just a coincidence? It's just a coincidence. She made it up when we made the Fet Life profile. She's like, I need a name. What's my name? Oh, she's perfect. You're rattling off different things. And yeah, she settled on kitty something, something. Okay, anyway. Go on. We don't have to use the profile anymore. But yeah, so like she, she laughs because, you know, like I said, I'm a little bit older. So, like the other day, we were watching The Matrix, for instance. And, you know, the start of the Matrix is the Trinity, and she's in this sort of like latex cat suit. And as it's, you know, the opening scenes going, she's sort of looking at me and she's like, I know why you like this movies. And I'm laughing and I'm like, no, no, it's not because of that.

And then I was a big fan of Buffy the Vampire Slayer when I was, you know, like 14. And, you know, she's parading around killing vampires and like tight leather pants and all this is stuff. Right. So I think these deep rooted things that plus I like anime and then sort of, you know, those sorts of things. And so I think it all built up to a point where if I saw a girl, you know, in public with a nice body and she's got like just your typical sort of like, you know, shiny fake leather, pants on, like my brain would just stop. It sounds creepy to say, but like I'd turn around and like I'd walk a couple of steps like mesmerized.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like maybe a fattish. Yeah, maybe it was a fattish. Yeah. It's a fattish of Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely a fetish. And look, it's it's carried across. I mean, it wasn't really a fashion thing until probably the last five years and the fact that it's become fashionable. Yeah, perfect for you. I've just loved every minute. Yeah, absolutely, right? Absolutely. It's difficult at work. Like, if you're at a conference or you're in a meeting and there's an attractive person and she got like, you know, tight leather skirt on and it's like, fuck how am I supposed to talk about, you know, revenue numbers and forecasting and projections. Yeah.

You know, with this across the table from me. And Kitty will exploit that, you know, many years ago when we worked together. She'd turn up, you know, to work, you know, in these sort of like outfits and just send me a message going, good luck focusing today. And I just like, oh, fuck you. Like, you know, I need to go home or there's even been times where, like, I've had to go and, like, just jerk off or leave myself because it's just too much, you know, at work. So, yeah, so, like, that's a fetish that I have. Does she enjoy seeing you? Yeah, sure. Wait, does she enjoy seeing you with other women? Or more so seeing you with guys? It hasn't happened a lot. It hasn't happened a lot. She, yeah, she enjoyed it.

Like recently, probably the most recent one we had, there was a girl involved sort of, you know, threesome and her and the girl were blowing me. And then I was going down on the girl, and Kitty was like, you know, stuck in your tits and kissing her. And so that room really well, and I sort of reflected back, like, how did you feel? You're the only. only girl for many years that's made me come, right? Because every time we play, if I need to come, like, I'll go to her. Oh, okay. And be like, you know, hey, finish me type thing. Yeah. And so, so far, you know, she's the only girl that's made me come in many years. But I think it's getting to a point where she's not that she's against it, but she's happy to see that or explore that and see how that makes her feel. And if she's comfortable with it, then sure, like, I'll go and do it and explore it. But if she's not, I'm fine. Right. Now, because you had all this,

these people that cheated on you before. Is there any kind of ever? It could go either way, I think. Like, it could maybe be very healing to have it just in front of you and work that out and not have that anymore and have to deal with it. Or it could be triggering. Like, do you feel like it has done anything to your trust issues to go, like, the opposite way?

You know, because you would think someone like, oh, you got cheated on so much. And now here you are allowing your girl to, like, other people. It's probably maybe numb a bit. Oh, okay. Yeah. Interesting. I think seeing that, experiencing that, you know, there's probably a part of me or anyone where it's like, okay, this is normal. Like, this is how interactions are. But then also, you know, they happen through younger years. So, right? So, you know, maturity takes over, you know, and you start to learn that they were just bad people, bad experiences, a trusting partner, a trusting relationship. These things are. okay. These things are normal and you can experience a lot of enjoyment together if you have that

trust and that openness. Right. Now, did your ex-wife cheat on you too? Is that why that relationship ended or no? She did. She did too. Oh, okay. Yeah. So to go into this one and be so open, like, who was the person or was it just because you guys were so sexually charged for each other and you were able to be so open about what you were into that you guys were just always? I corrupted her. You did? Yeah. Listen, no, no, no.

I'm sorry, this is a girl that sent you a picture of a like a pink dildo of her ass while she was dating another guy. So you didn't corrupt her so much. Okay. She was down from like she wasn't some vanilla girl in the office that was like, you know, didn't know what anal meant. I'm quite persuasive. So the psychology behind getting into someone's head and getting a need or wants. I really enjoy. I've worked in sales, my life,

you know, corporate world. Yeah. And so the hunt, if you will, yeah. Is it a big psychological thing for me. And so you're right. Look, I didn't fully corrupt her that was always there,

I guess. She was corruptive. She was waiting for you. Yeah. She needed. She wanted. So like you said, you guys were like soulmates.

I mean, maybe, you know, you were both these people that had all these things that you were open to and you're both very separate. and curious and down to and open to try things. Oh, look, absolutely. I mean, the other night, you know, we were sitting watching, you know,

Love Island on TV, you know, smashing up with lots of keelas together. And we ended up having like a two-hour conversation, you know, just reviewing and reflecting on, you know, some of the parties or the sexual encounters we've had and like, you know, did you enjoy this? Did you enjoy that? Why didn't you like this? Why did you like that? And yeah, we're like sort of connecting with each other.

And I think we're really good at doing that. The communication has always been really strong. And like I said, I think you can have a soulmate in life, but I'm a big believer that you can have a sexual soulmate, someone who just gets you sexually. You know, and I think anyone, if they reflect on whether it's a partner from a relationship or whether it's someone that's had as like a fuck buddy, you know, you can sort of look back and go like all the sex was good,

all the chemistry was good. we didn't click on like a personal level but when it came to the physical like everything worked yeah and I do think and I said this on my last pot my podcast with I think his name was Richard you know him and his girl when they met up they were just like very open about their shit from the get-go but he was cheating on his girl with her like it was just a sexual relationship and I do think because you touched upon this in the beginning like how you know it's a very scary to tell your partner, like all the things that you're into. But in a weird way, the fact of, like, the timing of you meeting her was almost perfect because you probably, the last thing you were thinking about or wanting was a relationship. So you guys were just like, let's fuck. Correct. You know, so you didn't, she wasn't thinking, oh, I got to be like the girl that he wants to

take home to, you know, Thanksgiving dinner. So she's like, I'll just be my freaky self. And I'll put, you know, there's no fear of. the relationship not working out because you went in as like fuck buddies and it was just a sexual thing and in I think that works in a way you know because it takes away all that those fears that most people have when you're you know going on a date if you met someone on match dot com it's going to be a different you know path to being open whereas in these kinds of situations like I said it with him too in a weird way it kind of worked that you guys were just so open from the gecko because and

it was easier because you were going in in a purely sexual way. It's a lot harder than the person going in knowing, oh, I'm trying to get this guy or this girl to date me and I'm really looking for a serious relationship. Yeah, agreed. And look, I think the other thing for me and maybe other people will identify the same is that I feel like I was at a point because I was, like I said, I was in my late 20s when I got divorced. Yeah.

I'm only early 30 now, so I've been divorced for our seven years. years and I was at a point where I almost didn't give a fuck. Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah. I would be like, yeah, like we've got, we've got chemistry, but what are you into? And if I didn't hear, I guess, the right things that I knew I wanted. Yeah. I'd be like, yeah, cool, we're not compatible. Like, let's go separate ways. I think that was a big part of it as well, just sort of go, here's most of my cards, not the super kinky fetish ones. Yeah. You get them later. But if the default card, like you link up with,

then cool, we'll go to date two or date three, whatever. Yeah, but you had gone to a point where, like, you were, you know, it's a weird kind of turning point in someone's life, but I think that that's typically how it goes, is that, like, look, you were cheated on.

You had all this, like, really bad history, and you could never really be who you were, that it just took being so fucking shot down so many times that you're, like, down and out for the count, that you were like finally like fuck it like I'm just going to be myself and and that's and that's that's where it's shifted for you where and it came from this place of like fuck it you know but it actually was a turning point a good something positive for you because you're eight now you're in

this great relationship she's not going to cheat on you she doesn't have to you know correct you're not going to relive that story that you did with all those other people So it's like you maybe, you know, you conquered that one. And now you're, you know, at a different place in your life, which is great. Now, do you guys live together? We do. We do. So obviously with COVID happening, she used to live about 40 minutes away.

And she'd stay over most nights, a couple nights a week type thing. And I sort of just said, you're like, hey, you're welcome to come live with me. I've got multiple empty bedrooms, you know, or you can stay in my bedroom. And, yeah, she was happy to do that. She had lived out of home, like different bits and pieces with other boyfriends, but it was the first time I think she sort of like properly moved and, you know, pack up her stuff and, you know, leave, leave the nest. And, yeah, it's been about two years, a year and a half now.

And we've had a few lockdowns in Sydney with COVID. And, you know, that brought us together, both working from home. So, you know, we're in each other's faces quite a lot. Yeah. So I think if you don't like the person on many levels, not just sexual and you're around them so much, then she can go sideways and it hasn't. It's just made it stronger.

Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome. I just remember you were like, oh yeah, she's hiding in the other room because it's like 11 o'clock and I, you know, thank you so much for calling in and sharing your story as well as your relationship with Kitty. Yeah, look, I know she's keen to talk to you as well.

She was, I didn't tell her that I'd emailed you. And so I sent her a screenshot of your reply saying like, yeah, I love to talk to you. Yeah. While she was in a meeting and she's like, I can't process this right now. I'll call you on an hour. Yeah. And I'm just laughing.

And she's like, you actually emailed her. I said, yeah, yeah, yeah. She wants to talk to both of us. She's just like, fuck. What did you say? I need to see what you said. Oh my God. You said a lot.

You sent me a really good email because you broke it down separately. Like there was bullets of all my stuff and this is all her stuff. And thank you for the email. Thank you for your story. Thanks, Kathy. Have a good day. I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in paperback and e-book,

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