Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 123 - Eric is into Submissive Women part 2

Episode Date: April 25, 2016

Eric the Dom calls in again to talk all about he sexual past but that never really happens. Instead, he discusses his past with women as well as with his family, why he's not into the whole BDSM lifestyle, why he's into submissive women and how he gets them to fall for him plus a whole lot more. **To see anonymous pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd To Join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712 or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712 Want to be on the show? Email me at [e-mail] or go to http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confesss while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed. Sponsors: https://bluechew.com Get your first month FREE! https://butterwellness.com/ Try the Butter Wellness perineum massager and use code STRICTLY for 20% off your entire order Follow me! Instagram https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/ Twitter https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en Website http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/ Everything else https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I felt like he had a lot more sex stories to tell. And like I probably cock-blocked him in that podcast because I psycho-analyzed him. So I wanted to do a part two and get like those kind of hot stories for my listeners. But it turns out that I cock-blocked him again. I don't know. I really intended to talk about sex with him in this podcast. But we wound up talking about a whole bunch of other stuff. We debate a lot in this podcast.

He disagrees with me. I don't think he liked what I had to say a lot of the time, but I think that that's made it interesting. You know, so we talk about the whole submissive thing and him being a dom. We talk about womanizers and players and his way with women and a lot of interesting stuff. So anyway, I'm just going to get right to the podcast

and let you take a listen. And I would love to actually see what people think because I think maybe I was a little hard on him or maybe he was like really kind of pissed at me. And like I said, I tried to get the conversation to be about sex, but it just didn't go that way. I never really, you know, but that's the way that it goes. So anyway, I think it's interesting anyway, just for the fact that we kind of don't agree a lot in this podcast and it's a little tense. But, you know, who doesn't like a good fight? Anyway, I'll be right back on with Eric.

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Hey Eric, welcome to a strictly anonymous podcast for your part two. Hello. How are you? I'm good. How are you?

I'm tired. Yeah, well, it's very, we're doing this very early in the morning. You know, especially because you're behind me in time zone. So anyway, but we're doing a part two

because I felt like the first time I had you on, we did, you were on, I just posted your episode actually, it was Eric, who was into the women, submissive women, just so you know a ton of people listen to it, and downloaded it. But I think what I typically tend to do, because this is why I do my podcast, is I psychoanalyze everyone. And sometimes I cock block like some of the hot stories, like the sex stories that I think a lot of people are like listening to my podcast for. So it was like,

oh, because it seemed like you had a lot of action and got, had a lot of sex go down during your time. So I thought, oh, we should do a part two and maybe like focus on that stuff. And I'll try my hardest not to psychoanalyze because, you know, there were a couple things that you alluded to in the first podcast that I could just go off on. You reminded me very much so of like a guy I dated, doctor guy, like kind of like a womanizer. Right. Which is many layers to womanizers. And I like to talk about that shit. But I'm going to try not to, okay, because I'm just going to try to focus on maybe some of like the hot stories.

Because we got it. And let's just start with the submissive thing because I felt like when I was editing the podcast. You know, we sort of talked about how you got into it and stuff like that, but we didn't get into like any sort of specific stories. I know you've had a lot of experience with submissive women, I'm assuming, because this is something you've been into, you know, throughout your life. So why don't you start off with maybe your first couple experiences? I know we spoke, and I'll just like update because some people haven't listened to the first one, the how you got into submissive women. An older woman, you told a very hot story. If anyone wants to hear it, listen to part one about an older woman.

who sort of turned you on to the whole thing of being dominant, right? And then you went off and you became a dom and then you went and sort of looking for submissive. So like what was your first submissive experience like? First submissive experience after that, actually, I think where we actually played the actual roles, I guess you would say, was probably about five years after that. I think I was probably, you know, in my early 20s. getting close to my mid-20s whenever I first had in my first real role experience. But me being naturally dominant and all that, most of my lovers have always been somewhat submissive,

whether we discuss it or not is a different story, you know. Right. You do it more so now for real, like you're more a part of the lifestyle, right? Well, yeah. I'm part of my own lifestyle. You know, what I mean is, it's like, you know, some women are natural. I mean, just like I'm naturally dominant. I'm naturally alpha-type male.

I don't go around saying that. Hey, I'm a dom alpha. Why are you? You know? And it's just things that we don't, you know, it's just human nature on and some of who we are. And so I just, I naturally come out in the same thing with women that I'm with. Typically, there's very few women in my life that I've been with that are, I would say,

dominant, but those are the first ones to fall up and go submissively easily anyway. But anyways, I think I was probably about 22, 23, she was 18. Okay. I remember she was 18 because she kind of pursued me prior and I was like, you know, you need to be in the adult first kind of thing. Right, legal. Right. Yeah. And, well, you know, let me back a little bit.

I was a very mature 22 year old, and although I already bought my first home at 19, you know. Please, when I was 15, I dated a 21 year old. So, you know, who cares about age? Like, seriously. So, you know, You just wanted to make sure that she was legal or 18 was too young for you or 17 was too young for you? Because, I mean, like I said, most guys would be happy to have an 18-year-old. Right. And I'll be honest with you. You know, I just wasn't necessarily, you know, illegal things from a legal standpoint as much as, you know, I don't know.

The way I held myself at that time, I was too mature for someone that was still in high school, that kind of thing. Right. Okay, cool. But she was more like, you need to grow up. Yeah. Ironically. Right. even though she was like sort of very dominant in the fact that she,

you said she pursued you, but then when it came down to like having sex, she was like pretty submissive and you became like that. Well, she pursued me because just in our circle of my circle of friends and all at that time, she was kind of a mutual friend and a friend of a friend kind of thing. And she pursued me for my persona for the way that I was around the same thing we discussed, you know,

but the way that I was around all the other guys, everybody. Yeah. You're a musician, and so a lot, like, musicians get a lot of ass. Like, this is the way that it goes. So anyway, so you get this girl. She chases after you. She's young, but you're not that old yourself.

So it's not really, I mean, you know what I mean? Like what else you date? No, but in my mind I was. Yeah, but what else do you date when you're 22? I mean, 22-year-olds, I mean, sometimes they could date 35. Someone else that can drink. You know, people could drink at 18 plays. I mean, come on.

We all know that. You know what I mean, not legally. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, so get to the point where like, so, She, well, the point is, I want to talk about a lot of experiences, you know. Okay. Well, the irony in this experience was she was younger and I put her through this,

you know, hey, you need to grow up first, you know, get older and all that kind of stuff. And ironically, she was more, when it started going down, I think she was a little more advanced than me. Right. You know, I don't know. I don't, now we became really good friends and I discussed a lot of things with her. So a lot of hers was, she was into the bonded side of it. And it was mostly theory. She had never experienced any of it.

It's something that she had a secret, you know, obsession with. So she knew a lot of terminology and stuff at that time that I didn't. Right. She had looked into it and was, like, very interested. Oh, she had looked into it, you know. She was what you call a true slave. And I didn't even know what all that was at the time. You know, I was just barely starting to develop into, you know, it's a pretty cool lifestyle.

Uh-huh. You know, and she told me she wanted to be my slave. Well, you know, at first, it's like anybody else out in the world right now. It sounds kind of either degrading or it sounds, you know, comical, one or the other. And, you know, the way I reacted to was like, what, you know, and she wanted to wear a leash and she wanted to be a pet and all that kind of stuff. So it was very interesting to me, but it was like, okay, I don't know what to do. Right. You know, I don't know.

So I had to do a little study in myself. And needless to say, that was my experience, you know. But, I mean, did you walk around a leash? I had a co-host. No. He had a girl that liked to be tied on a leash and then locked in a closet and all kinds of stuff like that He found it hard to take it seriously But I feel like if you're really in that world and you like that that would be like that should be like a turn on

No? The whole leash thing not for me though I agree but not for me That's not even then I think what I got in the road I got into her the most was her obsession with me Which I guess goes back up oh yeah, don't let me start psychoanalyzing you with that shit Yeah, let's well you know hey it is what it is man I'm here to be open yeah we might's do another therapy session okay so let me just ask you this really quick okay are you like really a dumb or you just like a

dude that likes to get girls obsessed with you like because I think that there's a difference no okay there is a difference and I discussed I know I remember I recall last time telling you that I don't like the obsession part I mean at that time you got to remember I'm 40 now I was 20 Okay, sorry to cut you up. Not obsessed, but like you said, what I was really into was her being into me. So I mean like just getting the conquering of girls to like you. I don't believe that that's a dominant thing. I think that's another, that is a thing.

And a lot of guys have that. But that's not necessarily like what like bondage guy, the person who's been on my call before, like is into. I think that that's a different kind of a thing, right? So maybe you're not into BSDM. maybe you're just into girls, like getting girls to really like you. And that could be true, but you got to remember, we're going through the development of me, and we're talking 18 years ago. So, you know, I'm still a young man, so I'm still developing at that time into what I am now.

Right. So at that time, you weren't into, like, the whips and all that kind of stuff. Do you guys do that kind of stuff? No. No. Okay. Oh, well, we did, but it was more, it was more of what I'm into now. the same thing. I'm very much into restraints and things like that.

Whips and bondage and all that, that's more so if I, I get nothing out of that. Okay, what do you mean with, okay, what do you mean with, like, what do you do, like, what do you mean by restraints? I love restraints. I love, I love, I love, I love to make the subs feel basically immobile, helpless, you know. And the reason is, my reason might be different. The reason is it allows them to concentrate on other emotions. I mean, number one, if you can't see, you can't move your hands, you know, you've got a spreader bar on, whatever. I mean, you can't get away or whatever.

Not that I'm not forcing anybody to do anything. But the point is, is all you can do is just really just relax and just accept what it is and concentrate more on the, what's going on. Right. And I think a lot of women, at least the women I deal with, I don't want to generalize because let me get off in there. But the women I deal with, I mean, that sense of a lack of control is half of the excitement for them. Yeah, of course, being taken. I think a lot of girls have a rape fantasy, even if it's just for like a one.

I think so, too. They don't want to really be raped, but they just want that, that feeling of, like you said, being taken without having any control. But once again, you know, you want to psychoanaly something, then get into this, you know, it's not most women, you know, it's kind of, it's kind of. gotta be a particular type of guy. No guy can just say, hey, I got some restraints come over. Uh-huh. You know, it's a particular type that that turns them on. You know what I mean?

Well, no, I don't know. That's true. I think if a girl is into that, she might meet a regular dude that maybe has no restraints around the house, and then it's like, hey, let's, I want you to tie me up, like, go get some duct tape or shit. Like, you know what I mean? I think people are creative enough, and if they're really into something, they could get somebody to do what they want, don't you think?

well it's not about getting to do with the one i get what you're saying but what i mean so far is the fact of once again i'm just going off my experiences i mean uh i can get women to do things that other other men can't but it's not because i'm forcible you are just setting me down my psychoanalytic path i can't yeah because you're you're going in it well mainly because you might be going in it we'll have another episode where i analyze your analyst you know i love this is just this is my god-given talent please there's no analysis here i do my own psychoanalyst shit on myself. No, listen.

No, I just think that, no, you say a lot of things that have to do with, like, sort of, you know, like, your, it just reeks of your sort of self-esteem, like certain things that you say. And it's very, to me, not a part of that lifestyle. I think it's very different, though you do claim to be in that lifestyle,

but it is a little bit different. I would say maybe you're not even into that. that lifestyle. You just do your own thing and you happen to like submissive women and getting them to like really like you and feeling like you, you know, had sort of power over them because of who you are. You know, it's like somehow making you feel special because maybe that's not how you felt when you were a baby. Well, that could be one, that could be one version or it could be another version where I've, I've dipped in that lifestyle and I've got kind of jaded about it and cynical about, you know, know certain areas of it and I've just kind of setting my I got to the point where okay I know

what I really am into and and what is that basically what we will be discussed before I'm really into true submits is what I say a true submits of someone that has a natural ability to submit to the right type of you know we discussed this and a lot of some of this is biology I mean you know when you say submit submit what do you want them to submit to I mean you don't have long term relationships with these girls, they typically don't last that long with you. I'm assuming the submission is sexual in nature. Like, what is it this specifically that turns you on that you like to get these girls to do? After trying everything, I assume you tried a lot of different things and you're like, I'm really into restraints. Like, what is it that you like for them to submit to?

I can answer that question. It's not necessarily what they submit to. Here's the narcissistic side of me. It's my ability to get them to. Right. Of course. There's a difference between It's a difference between forcing someone and talking someone into it than just Then just I don't want to use the word of manipulating But

It sort of is a form of manipulation I know I know where I'm going with it And I may start off very subtle And I may go in circles And I may go in this roundabout way But eventually I know we'll get there Right but what is it specifically That you typically like to get them to do sexually?

Is it anything like that you know, you sort of got them to do? Or is it specific sort of stuff that you're actually into? Specifically, what I like to get them into sexually is reaching a higher level of pleasure. So like making them calm a lot. Oh, yeah, definitely. Making them, you know, you're a woman. There's power in that alone. Yeah, you know, this is the deal. Okay, I've slept with a lot of guys and I have a lot of guy friends. So I sort of know the different types of guys that are out there. And there's definitely a certain type of guy that likes to like put on what I call the show.

Okay. That guy like and there's a couple guys I know that are into this. Like they want to get a girl off as many times. Like they could stay hard for hours. They only care. They care more about the woman actually than coming themselves because it's all about like putting on the show and they sort of feel very. I think they care more about their ego. I don't know.

But it's like, you know, and it's like the show. And I got to say from a woman's. standpoint, the show is kind of annoying. Like, it's too much, especially if you're going to see somebody all the time. Like, five, they expect you to come five times and they want to fuck for hours and there's no break and they'll come once at the end and that's what they're good for, but it's just a focus on you. And I don't know.

To me, I like a give and take and I want to come and then I want to hang out for a little while and talk and then I want to get turned on again, then do it again. That's what I'm into. And to me, I think that any girl that's really into the show is probably coked up. You'd have to get a girl high on cocaine to be into it. because it would be irritating any other way. But anyway, so I'm just wondering if you're that kind of guy. I think it's very, like you say, ego-driven,

and it comes from a place of, like, a man being very needy, and I think a woman, like getting women to like them because on some level they don't feel like they do. Do you put on the show? Are you into the show? No, I'm not about the show. Okay. I'm too direct and too straightforward and two get, let's get to the chase.

Okay. I don't do the show. you know, I get what you're saying. No, it's a lot more deeper. It's a deeper friendship than you're giving it credit. I mean, I know you keep focusing on the sexual side of it. Yeah, I was just trying to do that on this podcast. Maybe we won't. No, I understand. It is very, it is very sexual. But I mean, for me, that's why the fit that has to be for me, that's why I'm very particular, where I'm at now, than versus where I was whenever I started. was because there's got to be a very particular fit. You know, I mentioned last time, you know, that I liked, I had this secret desire for broken women or whatever.

Whatever, whatever psycho analysis, you know, analysis, the theory that could come out of that, you know, it is what it is. But the point is, is that's what it is. That's what I am. It's what I like. And mostly because, you know, I don't know if it's an ego or not, but I feel, I feel good bettering their lives, you know, bettering themselves, whatever.

I'm a very good life coach. you know, I'm very firm and hardcore, and, you know, I enjoy that. There's a, there's a friendship. I mean, just because I say I don't get attached as far as dating and things like that doesn't mean that I don't talk to them daily because I do. Oh, no, I know every guy that I know that has these kinds of situations. They actually never let the girls go. They claim to be, like, not attached to anyone yet.

To me, if you really think about it and look at their sort of action, they actually are quite attached to most of their women. They never let them go, whether they just stay as friends or whatever. So I think a lot of times guys that think that they're so not whipped to women, or it's actually the other way around. So I think, so I get that. I know every guy that's kind of like you has that same situation. They don't just discard women and not care.

They actually have like a fear of abandonment and never let them go. So these girls always stay around. I have to say. You're relentless with the psychology. I can't help it sees. You know what it is? I can't help with see patterns and see things. And like, listen, this is how scientific I am.

I take a study of three people and then I say this is what the deal is and this is the answer. You know, and that's so like bad, right? But I don't give a shit because I'm like I always say on my show. I'm not giving professional advice. I'm not a psychologist. No, that's okay. I think it's funny. I could do it.

Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what it is. you know, and it's my thing. It's all good. Yeah, totally. But that's, but I actually think that I'm right. If I walk away with a different angle on myself, I'm secure enough to be okay with that. Yeah, and listen, I mean, like, that's the way I think.

Like, I just love talking to people and love talking about things because I think that you never know when the light bulb's going to go off and you might learn one thing. You know, I don't think anybody, whether it's me or you or anybody, could buy into anybody else's beliefs 100% because we're all individual people, right? but we could all learn something from other people, right? And for me, that's how I've learned. So, yeah, I don't ever think that I could, anyone's going to believe everything I say. That would be weird.

And I think that that's not being true to yourself. I think everybody has their own way. Very much so. Things and stuff, you know, but my disadvantage is, you know, to be honest with you, I didn't prep for this. I didn't, you know, I don't go around having sermons about myself. You know, I don't do that. So, you know, I'm talking as we're speaking and, you know, you'll have a point and that's fine.

And I'm not saying I agree or disagree. I like that. I like debates. I like going back and forth. But, you know, sometimes when you're analyzing yourself and I'm telling stories that I'm actually remembering as I'm speaking them, like I said, I didn't even think about this before I called you. You know, I started hearing things. It's like, okay, I could see that. But I know where I was at that time.

And I know I'm very self-aware, you know, at least on the surface. Okay. So what is the difference between you back then? and you now. I mean, listen, I think everyone evolves and changes, right? You're like in your 40s and we're talking about, like we're going through, you know, since you lost your virginity till now. So of course

there's going to be changes and there's going to be growth. How could there not be? Especially if you're self-aware and you're pretty honest with yourself. So what is the difference that you see in yourself and what have you learned you know, over the time? What has changed mostly is life.

It's the whole process of life. But as far as what I've changed, as far the Dom goes, or even as far as a man, whatever, I'm more particular now. I'm more, you know, one of the things I was thinking of just now is the fact that a lot of these are projects for me. I get bored. My everyday life is very hectic with what I do for a living and playing music full-time and all, like kids and all that.

So, you know, I get, but on the other side of me, I get bored. So I like to have projects. And that's why, part of the reason why I like women that, You know, I don't want these were broken because they're not, yeah, they need work. They make self-esteem issues, whatever it is. You know, this may sound, I don't care how you analyze it. The bottom line is that I get a lot of pleasure. They're kind of, I look at them as like my children, you know.

I get a lot of pleasure out of, you know, making things better for them. You know, I do like, it's different when I get a phone call or an email, whatever it says, you know, look, you know, you really change my life or whatever. I'm talking about, you know, from someone that's been several years, you know, I can take pride in. You see that. I get that. I think it's a typical. So what? No, I mean, listen, that's a part of why I do my podcast.

I love helping somebody out. I love that feeling. And I think men, that's what men are sort of like, like to be in women's life. I think that's nature too, does a man? A man likes to help them. Yeah, the damsel and a stress kind of thing. Well, no, they just like to problem solve. They like to provide.

They like to be there. They like to be the, you know, the night in the shining armor, right? And women like to nurture her. So I think that that's a typical thing that a man has a need for. or maybe because you don't have a relationship right now. That's how you sort of tend to that part of yourself, right? And satisfy that desire in yourself by having, I've always said because I've been sort of a commitment foe

and never really put all my eggs in one basket. I had too many trust issues for that. I would be like, oh, yeah, I have a boyfriend in like five different people. You know, I'd have like the guy I was having sex with. The guys that were taking me out to dinner, the guys that were giving me the companionship, they were my friends. You know what I mean? and whatever.

So, like, maybe you do the same thing. You know, I think that sometimes that's what people do that. Don't have, like, relationship with one person. They sort of get their needs met through multiple people. Yeah, and you have to realize that I'm a huge control freak. So I have, I try, I have a tremendous amount of self-control. And that's something that I've always kind of had, you know, I wasn't as strong when I was younger, but I've always been like that, you know, if I don't, you can't talk me into anything.

You can't, you know. Can I ask you a question because somebody once told me about their analysis about something about that? And I want to see if it's true. Were you hit as a child or like abused as a child physically? Just yes or no? No. Okay. Nope.

Okay, go on. Pretty much as far as going back to the sub things and all that, you know, a lot of, you know, I don't know. there's not like we talked about before there's no doctrine on what a dom or a sub is i mean i guess someone probably came up with you know hours to crowley or somebody but uh there's there's no there's no guidelines or whatever i've been i mean like i said i'm not big metropolis city i've been in my mid to late 20s i've gone to all the events and the clubs and all that and i got real jaded about it uh how come uh uh fake it felt like it felt like it felt like it was Halloween.

You know, people wearing costumes and in a way, I guess, I'll go ahead and cycling on it. I guess I kind of wear a costume because I'm one person or a day and one person tonight. Yeah, I mean, that's probably what people are into. It probably is fake. I mean, it is being like somebody else and maybe that's like the, that's an escape for people, you know, and that's what they're into, right?

Yeah. Yeah, I get it. But it's just, it's who they, who they, they don't, they don't sell it very well. Let's put it that way. Right. It just wasn't for you because you're a super honest person. Maybe it just didn't feel the way, like it wasn't your approach. It wasn't the right way for you to approach it.

But maybe for other people, it is. Yeah, exactly. You know, like I said, you'd have to know me and know who I am to understand that I'm a very, like I said, I'm very southern. So I'm very respectful. I don't show anybody disrespect. But like I said, you know, I'm coming to these so-called doms and they got the outfits and all that kind of stuff. And I'm not shy at all. So I'm the kind of person that will walk up.

I walk up, introduce myself, whatever. And they naturally, it's all, but it's been like my whole life. They actually kind of, I don't want to say submit to me. But they're very cautious of me. What do you mean cautious? But I just, I've always, just my look, whatever it is. You know, like I said, I hold myself at a certain way. I'm very sure of myself.

I'm very confident. Uh-huh. And I think a lot of men aren't. And I think confident. This is why I said I got jaded about it because, number one, I see a DOM kind of as a leader. That's my vision of it. Some type of leader, some type of mentor or a teacher. You know, I take that aspect of it.

I don't take, you're right. I've never really gotten into the bonded side of it. Does that make me not a DOM, no? There is many levels of DOMs and subs and all that kind of stuff. But no, I don't, I'm not that extreme as far as the bondage side. You just like submissive women. So when you put stuff out there on Craigslist, right, looking for people and you get people that are very much into the lifestyle, are they sort of disappointed that you're not like

into it totally like they are? Because I would assume that it attracts women that are used to the typical way Adom works. Not at all. It's actually the opposite. It's funny you bring that up because I couldn't tell you how many. I mean, I've had some extremists, don't get me wrong, that they were saying, they've never said you're not a Dom or nothing like that. They just pretty much said that they're more into the extreme side of it. But I would say a high, high majority in the upper 80, 90 percentile, or the first one thing they say is they're not looking for any type of abuse.

They're not looking for, you know, to be whipped and chained and stuff like that. and that's that's the general aspect now you know but don't you think that those are people that aren't really are those are people that would probably more be likely to read 50 shades of gray and then the people that are really into BDSM I think that they really do want to be tortured I think that they actually are really into it that's that's the real people I think there are people that really are right I think you're right too about that I think you're right too about that but I think that's also, okay, this is why we keep having this crossroad of you and I, because I believe that there is that aspect of this lifestyle.

I agree with that. And I think that's the aspect that most people before 50 Shade the crap came out. I think that that's their aspect, their idea when they hear, you know, Dom, sub, bondage and all that kind of stuff, I think, especially with women, one of their first thoughts is abuse, you know, and I'm talking about people that may, there's I mean what I mean is that you don't have to be an extremist to be involved in it you know and I think that's kind of what the up until certain certain time that's what the idea was was you had to go all the way or go not at all but I but I do think that the

people that go all the way and that's just that's people that are really hard current to it I know bondage guy who I've had on my show if you listen to his episodes I mean he's gone to parties where you know one girl is you know sort of taking on 15 guys and they're all sort of jizzing on her face, that it's total humiliation and that kind of stuff. And, like, that's what they're really into. And he's very involved in the world in the typical sense that, like, you're not, right? So I think that that goes on and there are those extremes. No, I know it goes on.

But I'm in a totally deeper level than that. You know, what I mean is, is like, there's a lot of people out there, maybe someone, not so much like yourself, because you're very aggressive. Yeah, I'm not submissive at all. There's there. No, you can tell. And that's why, that's why we're having that conflict because you don't, you're not understanding what I'm trying to say. Oh, I understand. No, I mean, what I mean is there, I believe that in a lot of women, I can be careful how I word things because you'll attack me on it. Oh, my God. And a lot of women. Yeah.

I'm just poking fun, and a lot of women, there's a natural, biological need to submit to a certain type of, you know, I don't want to just say it's just a man, but for lack of a better word, man. Okay, right, just like in nature, whatever.

Like, if we were cows, like if we were cows, like, and I was a female cow and you were a male cow, just nature would say that I would submit to you because I need you to, like, help me take care of my babies. And if, Let me think of it like this, and it's just, like I said, I'm thinking of this as I go. If my need, from what you're psychoanalizing, is my need to feel wanted, desired, accepted, whatever, balances out who I am a man, so be it. Well, they have the same need is, especially women what we talked about earlier like yourself.

I'm not saying you, but women like yourself who are, you know, aggressive in life. You know, what I mean is women that have earned their way up, you know, chain of, you know, chain of, batter at work, you know, they're single parent, they work hard, you know, they're more of a man's, you know, man and woman's role at the house and all that kind of thing. I think there's a need in a lot of women to just be a woman, to just, you know, have the force of a man, even if it's just momentarily or sessional or whatever you want to call it. And that's what I like to nurture. I like to bring that out. I like to, uh, going back to what I was saying earlier, I love, you know, I don't, I love to tap into that.

I love to show them that there's, there's another, there's another emotion out there as well. There's a freedom in submission. Totally. And I believe most women that are like me and because I'm like this, I, I know where it comes from. There is, and I think that there is a natural sort of urge for a woman to partner up. And it's very healthy to be okay with taking help from a man. I think that that's more natural and normal than being the type of woman that's like,

oh, I'm going to do everything on my own. You know what I mean? And that's kind of like how I live most of my life until I realize like, oh, God, like, why am I torturing myself? Do you know what I mean? Like in a weird way, that's a part of dysfunction that's put on you when you're younger, right? And so it is very hard to let go of that sort of defense of like I'm going to do everything

on my own and allow for somebody to maybe help you like a man or a partner, like maybe you're a lesbian and it's a woman. You know, whatever it is, I think it's more natural that people partner up and get some help. and that's okay, you know, and partnerships are great and they are natural. And nature people partner up to take care of babies, to have a house. You know, that's more normal than staying alone your whole life. You know, that's been a hard lesson.

I've had to learn, but I have learned that. And I believe that. And that's a part of me being an alpha female was like, oh, I'd never want to rely on a man. But that was totally dysfunctional, right? But because I have that air, it is always hard to find a guy that can sort of get through that tough outer exterior. and get me to feel like a woman. But a womanizer, which I believe you are, can do that.

Exactly. And that's what I got at earlier when I said it takes a certain type of man. What I mean is that that's exactly what I meant. I mean, these type of women, you're talking strong. You got your backup and realize I adore women. I've told you that before. Yep, totally. You know, I really do.

And most of my conversations are with women. You know, I've always loved women. I love women. I love conversating with women are emotional. on there. I'm a puzzle. Like you said, I'm a problem solver. Women are puzzles. Yes. And I enjoy, I enjoy solving them. And so, you know, it takes, especially for a woman like that, that's go get her that's very on top of her game, all that kind of stuff. A certain type of man can't come in and just be her lover and be and be her, especially in the bedroom, be her leader. Right.

They're very particular. You know, it takes, number one, definitely not a man that's not successful in most cases. Exactly. You know? Yeah. In most cases, you know, definitely not that kind of man, the freeloader type, you know, the fly-by-night kind of thing. You know, they need to be more of a man than she is.

No, she's got it like, she's like very, very much a dude. Like what I always say is like, unfortunately, because I'm so guylike and just sort of had to build that up of myself forever, that it's, you know, a guy has to be like more of a man than me. And that's going to, that means you got to be kind of like very manly because I'm kind of very manly myself. And so that's, you know, what it is. And that doesn't mean that you have to be so alpha and rude and mean, and not at all.

I think men take the wrong approach all the time with women like that. I'm sure you're wise enough to tell that that's not my approach at all. You know, most of mine through charm. And what it is is when you watch the layers pill away, you know, you take this stern. I mean, I enjoy that. I like, I like, because I like being underestimated. I love it. I love being underestimated.

I love the layers peel. off and I love the fact. I love to look in the eyes whenever, you know, something's going down and they're realizing that at that moment, you know, they'll do anything I've asked. That's that's a cheap thrill for me, you know. Right. You know, we have to have, I guess I don't think that I'm any different than anybody else. I mean, I hope I'm not. I mean, I think we all have to have some type of goal. I'd like to go into it having a goal. Uh-huh. And that's my goal. My goal is, you know, that transition, you know, when we're talking about submission. Like I said, I keep speaking

mine's a lot deeper than what you think. I don't think it's not deep. I think it's all, I think so earlier because if I'm not so extreme, then I'm not a dom. No, you might, it might be the wrong terminology. Like, sometimes it's just a matter of semantics and people will think, oh, you're a dom and then they want to listen to the podcast and they think

they're going to hear like something more similar to like what bondage guy talked about. Whereas to me, this is like a very different conversation and it's just, it's interesting. I'm just trying to get the right terminology so that people... Well, there isn't a right terminology for it. Maybe this is like a, you know, like a man who's like interested in getting alpha females to submit. Like that's like, I think that's an interesting topic.

I think a lot of guys probably meet women like that all the time and they treat them very wrong, right? So you could maybe say like, hey, listen, this is the way to get that kind of woman to feel like a woman, right? And then she'll be totally devoted to you because it's a rare. A lot of people would have. a terminology for what what the textbook termination of a DOM is and they would call that a sicko. Well, that's people that are judgmental. I think there is a world where there is a word

that in the BSDM world. I think that there's doms and submissives and slaves and all that terminology works there and it's, and it, you know, it has its place and it makes sense. Well, let me put you this way. I like, I like this conversation because that's one of the things that I preach to, for lack of a better word, subs. That's one of the things I say is when I get into it and we start getting into the psyche of what they're particular needing. And these are all just terms. They're used loosely.

They can be used as firmly as you want. Because part of the reason is a lot of times they get wrapped up, you know, because I like newbies. I really do. I like people. I like to, like I told you before, I like to nurture that. I like to bring that out into them. So they don't, immediately when you hear the dawn, there is a persona or they're, you know,

with what you think it is. Everybody has their idea of what they think it is. What is it? What is it? What is it? Are you asking me? Yeah, I mean, what is your definition of what a Dom is? Oh, I mean, in that world, it's a certain...

Is it a tech book or is it idealism or... No, in that world, it's definitely a man who has ownership over a woman, and it's a whole thing. It was actually very interesting for me to talk to a guy who was really into it in the regular way, not in the shades of gray way, like in the hardcore way. I like that extreme because that's someone that really buys into it and really sort of goes that way. That was interesting. You're a little bit different, which is just as interesting in a different way.

But look, look, we're getting into the idealism and I love it. Who care? Oh, you like this? Okay. I like this because, listen. Okay. I just got one point to make. Number one, you know, we can go through all the psychology of it and all that.

And we can go through, you know, the socialism of it. What I mean is, is down here, we have a scene. You'll love this. Our dominant scene may be different from what you have in New York, which is also going to be different what you're going to have in Amsterdam. You give it what I'm saying? So who, you know, through the migration and through because people are sheep, we have very few leaders.

People are sheet and they, this is what it's supposed to be. This is what, you know, let's go to these clubs and let's do what they're doing because this is what it says we have to do. They have all these limits and rules. Right, but I think some people like that. Some people need that and they like that. And that's what they're into. Well, I think people in general need to be led.

Uh-huh. Regardless of what they call themselves, regardless of who's, who's holding the whip. But who's holding the chain. Right. But there has to be a lot more sheep than leaders, right? I mean, you're going to, that's just the, that's nature, right? If there is more leaders than sheep, then what the fuck would have? It would be Lord of the Flies.

I mean, it just would be, you know, it would be a problem. I'm not disagreeing with this. So all those sheep exist for a reason and serve a purpose, and so do leaders. And that's why groups and rules and regulations and books and things are built for people like that to sort of buy into. I've never, I quit brownies when I was younger. Like seriously, I thought it was so fucking weird. I hate groups. I hate buying it to anything.

I like to do my own thing. And that's different. I'm a nonconformist. Yeah. Out of the box. But it doesn't mean that everything that is in the box is, it is to me not real. And, you know, it's like everybody's different. and different people have different needs, you know.

I don't think anyone's better or worse. It's just different. Understood. And that's a whole other topic and, you know, love it. No, but that's what is. But I'm just trying to focus on, like, what you do because it is different from them. And I don't think that it's wrong that it's different. It's like it suits you because you are out of the box.

So there's no way you're going to be buy into that world and everything that they do and by the book. I'm just trying to figure out what your world is. There is, okay, with what I do in a perfect situation where it works out, the sub's perfect, you know, I'm perfect. What typically happens, what my goal is, is I have complete control over them, but it's not through, it's, it's, it's mentally. There's no, there's no, there's no more stronger control than mental control. Mm-hmm. Right. You know, it's mind fuck.

Right. Mm-hmm. So you like to mind fuck them into liking you and then getting them in bed and then staying your friend. Isn't that just in a relationship eventually, like your friendship that you build with somebody? No, I keep, I'm very good at what I do. So I'm very, I'm not saying there's no backlash every once in a while. I'm just saying I'm very good at keeping things the way they are. Right, but you don't feel like the form of friendship with them.

Oh, definitely. There's a, it could be a lifetime friendship. That's what I mean. If like, you know, you sort of mind fuck them into Brian and stuff, but then eventually you get real with them, I'm assuming. and you guys like get to know each other. You say that you keep these people around and they become friends. So then that becomes like a relationship. It's a friendship, right?

Yeah, if you want to call a relationship. Are we having a relationship? No, this is a conversation. A relationship extends more than just like one thing. It's a lot more complicated. I get to you. I'm just making a point. It happens over time.

Intimate conversation and intimacy can be, I mean, doesn't qualify as a relationship. Now, I guess we can get. technical on it. I mean, no, I don't want to get technical on it, but you said that you, you do have relationships with these women. You say that it's not shallow. It's not just about sex, right? You do get into their head. You do want to help them. They, you do help them, right? So they probably stay involved with you. You told me in the past podcast, the last podcast that they don't, they don't leave you and, you know, after you just have sex with them and don't want to be with them. They stick around. So you do have relationships with them. They're friendships.

Like I said, maybe that's your way of satisfying. your needs of not having a one woman in your life, but you, you know, because you like women, so you have multiple women in your life or these women, and that is satisfying enough for you so that you're not alone and needy of a relationship. And, you know, I'll go with that. Yeah, that's a very good analogy. Yeah, so there's nothing, there's something wrong with that. We can punch you out now. I'm just kidding. Okay, goodbye. No. Yeah, look, seriously, no, that's a lot of that, that pretty much sums it up. I mean, you want to get down to it, yes. I mean, Yeah, I would say to say that, you know, because I'm always going to need attention.

I'm not, I'm the first one to tell you that. But yes, I am a man, you know, I'm going to need attention, whether it's physical, whether it's, you know, emotional, whatever it is. Right, and those women probably need what you're giving them. So it's a mutual exchange, right, and everyone's happy. Absolutely. It is mutual. That's kind of one of the things, you know, you said something like earlier about the fact

that I need someone to, you know, to crave me or I don't remember your terminology, but basically the need of that, you know, what about, what about their need to crave someone? Right, or their need to be fixed. But I just think that eventually, right, that like you evolve and grow, maybe your needs to sort of change, right? So maybe if you could eventually, like those women who eventually fix themselves, right? Maybe you help them in a certain way, but eventually they're going to have to fix themselves, right?

and when they do, they probably wouldn't have the need for somebody like you anymore. And I would think that somebody like you, a man like you, who's very needy of women getting to like them, like after a while, if you worked on that part of yourself, maybe you wouldn't need to have that. And maybe you could maybe focus on having a relationship that's a little bit different with somebody else. And that's just like, you know, evolving and growing and changing. And not that, like I said, anything is better or worse.

You know, I don't think if you're someone that's more evolved than somebody is better, it's like to me the difference of being someone in kindergarten or someone in fifth grade, you're not going to say that someone in kindergarten is less smart. You know, they're just, they haven't been through enough. They haven't learned, right? So to me, I would say that eventually people learn shit and then move on.

And so their needs change because maybe they work on stuff. I would think or hope that maybe you would work on your needs so that you would change it a little bit and that maybe you could get to a place where you could maybe focus on one woman and develop the relationship further than where you tend to develop it from. It seems like you sort of have a lot of relationships and you go to a certain level with multiple women, but that's just you never go past that. You did once for nine years, but you say you never loved her. But like, you know, maybe, you know, one day in your wife, you're still young, you know,

you would maybe work towards something else. Maybe. You know, I personally think that sometimes when men are very needy, of women and they go out and I say this to doctor guy all the time it's like you know when they go out and they get girls to like them yet that need never goes away because in a in a weird way it's like it's really not women that are going to make you feel better about yourself or that's going to fix that needy part of you it's really you right so if you're looking you know so it doesn't matter how many women you get that urge will never go away you sound like my mom and everybody else you know

you know of course they don't know about this part of my lifestyle but the point is is my family has seen me go through. I'm that kind of person that is always, how I sum it up, is kind of lonely a lot, but never alone, never alone, but always lonely, you know, that kind of thing?

Yeah, uh-huh, yeah. So my family has seen me go through because if we have an event or something, I'm going to bring a date or whatever, and it's usually somebody different for the most part. Totally, of course. They've seen a lot of things, and they've made comments,

and then they, well, everybody assumes that something, broken and maybe there is totally but nothing i'm really happy like i'm like i'm like i'm it's funny because i love i love the it's like religion they're gonna sit there and talk to me and try to convince me to this that and this and it's like why can't you know why am i more happier than you are no no no but nobody's saying first of all happiness is like i mean anybody any nobody nobody's happy every single day of their lives right it's like you know that's no no no no no but i'm content the people that are you're saying they're not happy or

you're happier than you know everyone goes through tough times some people are happy sometimes than unhappy that's just fucking life right it's full of lots of different emotions you know it's not having inner peace and having that big vapid hole inside of you sort of filled up and not being needy of all this other bullshit that's what we all want to work towards when we get older so we feel better about ourselves because when you're younger you got to fix that shit right and so that's all it's about and so that's what people are saying to you that you say you're happy but you also just said you're never alone but you're lonely so what the fuck is that yeah that's That was the most of my life.

Now, I mean, I meant to say that that's most of my life. Now I pretty much focus on raising my kids. Right. So that's how about it. I'm selfish. I mean, I'm selfish because I don't want anyone else. No, but that, but maybe your kids filled a big part of you of. Maybe that was like really good for you.

Absolutely. My kids changed me. They changed a lot of things about me that I was that guy that was, here's the thing. I was that guy that never wanted children, ever. Not because I don't like children, but because. I'm too selfish with myself. I knew that I knew that if I had children because of the type of man I am, you know, I'd go all out. Well, that's the reason I never wanted them because I didn't want that responsibility.

So for being a guy that never wanted children, you know, I enjoy being a father. Yeah, I enjoy it. Yeah. And I mean, I don't know about you because I was always a selfish person. I just recently had a baby myself. And like for me, it was like, you know, at a certain point in your life, don't you just get bored of yourself? Do you know what I mean? Like as selfish as you are.

Like, I mean, you know, after you're with yourself for so long, you're kind of like, okay, like, I'm done with me. Like, I could, I would love to give myself to somebody else and forget about me for a, you know, a couple of years. Why not, right? It's kind of nice, I think after. I mean, for me, because I had issues, I was always analyzing myself, working on myself, thinking about myself and always needing myself for me because I was so fucked up. But after I sort of worked on my shit and got my feet on the ground and I was pretty together, I was like, okay, like now I have nothing to do for myself. want to do for somebody else, right? And that's what kids are about.

And I think that that's why some people are ready for kids a lot, you know, way before I was, right? Because I had to, some people are together at fucking 25. And that's why they could, you know, they're done with themselves and want to work. I wasn't because I was fucked up, right? But so I think that that's great, you know, and that's the natural progression and an evolution of life that happens. That is a great thing, you know.

Yeah. I mean, I don't, I agree everything you say. I don't, I don't, I think about tomorrow, but I don't, I don't think about the next say you know what I mean that's cool live in the present moment I think that that's really important I just don't I just would get stuck on the fact that you say you're lonely what does that mean you're not lonely anymore well what not really no I mean I can always find I mean what I meant was you know once again I'm talking about a whole history here a lot of shit's running through my head and and that was kind of the thing you know and once again when I said I've always bring

different women that was before I had children right I don't bring women around children to be honest, mainly because of that, because there is, I don't want any type of attachment with them or anything like that. Right. And you have a good relationship with the woman you had the children with, their mom. Friendship, yeah. We have a good friendship, yeah. That's cool.

That's great. But I raise them. I raise them. They go to her on the weekends. Oh, really? You have more, you have sole custody? Yeah, I have full custody. That's what I'm saying.

I raised my kids. Uh-huh. And then I'm in drugs, right? Yeah. And just the fact that I'm a control freak. Do you think I'd ever give my kids up to anybody? Come on now. No, but I mean, it's very unnatural for a woman to give up that control.

That's a little odd. I mean, when I watch Judge Judy, even Judge Judy feels, I'm obsessed with Judge Judy, by the way. And when she sees that the woman, like, lost custody of the kids and they went with the dad, it's like a bread flag. Like, what the fuck? Like, because most of the time, it's very rare that any woman, I don't care how controlling a man is. A woman, when she has that baby, it's nature in her to never fucking let it go. So, like, well, how did that happen? Well.

let's just say that that she's very selfish. So she didn't really want the kids? I didn't want to say that. I'm not going to say that exactly, but she knew from the very beginning that if anything ever happened that I would get the kids because she's, I'm very responsible and she's anti-responsible. Was that how your mom was? Your mom had you when she was like 15, right? And basically gave you up, your mom and your grandmother raised you now.

Right. And my, uh, me and my mom, me and her weren't close for a long time. Uh-huh. Are your kids close with her? Your girl, their mother? Yeah. Closer than I was with her, but not really. I mean, my brother's kids, I have two brothers.

We're a lot closer with her and we all live in the same area. Right, right. Yeah, it's weird. I don't want to blame that all on her. No, it's, but listen, it's a part of like, you know, unfortunately we could look at our lives and be like, oh, God, like I sort of recreate. Sometimes we recreate the same shit that we had, right? Like, look, your kids are sort of, like, you're sort of, you know,

of experiencing. It's kind of like a similar thing that you went through, right? They don't really have a mom. Like, you didn't really have a mom. Yeah, pretty much, I guess you would say. I grew up in my grandparents, like I said, so it was kind of like I did have a functional, you know, two parents, functioning two parents.

It was a little bit unorthodox, but I don't think nowadays it's at that time, you know, we're talking 75 when I was born. So my mom was 15 and 75, that was kind of a big deal, you know. Totally. Of course, absolutely. And that's really young to be not selfish, right? Like we were saying, to be really ready to, like, take care of somebody else. So, you know, we could understand.

We could not, like, put her down and say she's a bad person. She was just really super young. But, you know, it's do you try, have you tried to get her to have a better relationship? Even after all these years, she still hasn't sort of grown into being closer with the kids. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, no. Yeah, I don't get any wrong idea. I forget me, I don't hold any grudges.

Yeah, I know that she was young. she had three kids by the time she was 19. No, not your mom. You're the woman who had your babies. Oh. Have I done what now, have you tried to sort of have her be a better mom to your children? Or did you take the children?

God, every day. Every day. She's like my teenage daughter, if you want to get the truth of it. Because I'm constantly like on her ass about shit, you know, about, so she allows them to do. Right.

But don't you think that's more like you sort of working out your relationship with your mom, like your mom was like a teen. teenager when she had you just like what you just said and it's like kind of like you're trying to fix your mother that's what we do that's what relationships are about there's nothing there's it's it's like two plus two equals four I've done it we all do it that's what it's fucking about there's there would be no reason to hook the people if they didn't sort of teach us stuff so maybe that's your way of trying to get your mom when you know to grow up and take care of you right and so you

recreate that's what we all do that's fucking life I just I just make you feel so common because I think that you like to be very unique, right? And you don't want to be like everyone else. But in this sense, like everybody wants to be unique. Yeah, but we all are kind of like everybody else, like in a weird way. Like you do have that going on. It's so obvious to me. But there's nothing wrong with that.

That's like a part. That's the way that it goes, right? That's how we heal ourselves. I'm as common as you are. Of course. I'm so common. That's what I love about the internet. The only difference is, I don't go.

Interesting. I Google and I find millions of other people that are thinking the same crazy shit in. You do this. How good of a listener are you? I definitely cut people. I listen. I remember everything that people say,

I'm so curious about people. You know, I have my own opinions, though, so I do, I'm not just going to listen and not talk, but I'm a very good listener. I remember mostly what everyone says. I love listening to people because I learn from them. I listen enough to be able to psychoanalyze.

You know, if I wasn't listening, I couldn't put the patterns together. Like, I see things because I actually listen. Do I cut people off? Yeah. What does your need? What does your need to psychoanalize? the lives come from? I don't know. I'm a natural detective. Listen, I don't, I don't do it in my own life. I don't

take control of people's lives and stay on the phone with them for every day trying to change other people. I have my own life. And that's where I know that I'm pretty healthy with it. It's just a thing that I like to do and I like to help people. But I do it like you come into my nest, I fix you and then you leave. It's a one-time thing. I don't, if I start focusing on other people too much and give a shit about what they're doing, then I know that I've lost my own way with myself. I don't believe in sort of getting super involved in people's life. I did that more so when I was younger. And that is a dysfunction when you're so involved in other people's lives and you're trying to help them. And you're so focused on that. And then you get aggravated when they don't change stuff. That's like a problem. And I had that.

But now it's not a problem. It's just what I like to do it. It's interesting to me. I love reality TV. I love people. It's fascinating. I like to dissect. I hate reality TV. I love it because I like people. That's just me. So it's what I do. But do I do it dysfunctionally? No, because I'm never going to talk to you again. I like to just do this for right now. The fact that the camera doesn't even really makes it unreal. You could say what it was. That's fine.

I like reality. It's fine. Okay. I'm not going to, I make a point, never talk about celebrities or any kind of stuff like that on TV, but I mean on my show,

but I mean, I could go into a whole thing about made up shit, right? We could all say that that's not fucking real. People wrote it. So I just think that.

How do you know, okay. How do you know I'm not making up something to be on your podcast? You can. And I told you this in an email. You said, to me once very early on in the email. You can. That would be just as fascinating. You know what? I can tell

that you're not lying to me because I could tell that you're not lying to me because I could tell when someone's fucking lying. I've caught people on my show lying because I ask questions and if you're not telling the truth, you're going to not be able to answer the questions properly. You're not lying really about anything like stuff. And if you are, that makes it even more interesting. It would make it even more interesting. Do you understand? I'm interested in all. kinds of people, people that tell the truth, people that fucking lie. Like, it would be almost more interesting if all of this was a fucking lie. But what I think is the truth is the big things that we've hit on.

So what you need to do is title it, Eric, the not so dumb fucked up over his mother, womanizer. I don't know what I'm going to title this because I don't like to mislead people. I thought we were going to focus a lot about sex and we went in a totally different way, which is cool. Like I said, I'm going to extract content. I never know what it's going to be. But it always winds up to be interesting. We can't talk about sex. We can't talk about sex.

We're at an hour. My baby's going to wake up from his nap. No, we're not talking about sex. We talked about this and this is what it is. And I think that it's interesting. And I think it's, you know, interesting because you've fought with me a lot. It's interesting because I still psychoanalyzed you. And people will listen and take what they want.

And I don't know what I'm going to title it, but I'll figure it out. I don't care if you psychoan. allows me, Kathy. Obviously not. I just think of that. I like a good debate like you do. It's cool. It's fine. I love a debate. And I think people like to hear it. But let me just say this. Yeah. Let me say this. If you really listen to people, which I believe you do. I do. I'm a listener. Yeah. And I do interrupt every once in a while, but I do listen completely. I really interrupt. You cannot. We're very, we're very, we're like onions, you know. We're very complex. There's layers. To sum up who I am and who do you.

are in a conversation, it's just unrealistic. I mean, there's a lot more depth to everything. No, that's why I try to focus on like what. That's why I try to make the podcast kind of about one thing so that people, like I said, the light bulb sometimes goes off when you hear other people talking. So that maybe somebody listening to this could take one thing and sort of be like, oh, and learn something. Do you know what I mean? That's it. It's not about figuring out the specific. That's why I don't care about your real name or who you really are. You know what I mean? It's more about like experiences or putting pieces together and showing somebody something about life that maybe they could learn from.

It's not about psychoanalyzing you, whoever you are. I don't really know who you are, nor do I care. It's more about sort of trying to focus on one thing or maybe multiple things in a conversation and maybe people could relate and learn something. That's it. And I always find it interesting because people are interesting to me. But I never know where I'm going with a call. My son's awake.

I could see him on the monitor. I never know where I'm going with a call, but we were supposed to talk about sex, but we didn't. But I feel like, you know, when I edit this, I'll figure out what it's about and create a good title. And people will listen and, you know, I think it's entertaining and interesting to people that are like us that like. I don't know that you like, you don't like reality TV, but people that like to peel back the layers and analyze and are interested in people. That's the kind of people that listen to my show. And that's what they like. I like this.

I like, I like, I meant what I said when I said. I've listened to a couple episodes and I liked it. I mean, because it is more realistic because they can be anonymous. Totally. Then people can be really honest. I told you, I had a friend on recently, and she put out her real name. And then afterwards, she started emailing me. Can you take this out and can you edit that?

And I don't want my husband to hear this. And I was like, this is why I do my show anonymously. Let me just make up your name. I won't tell people who you are. And she really wanted me to put her name in it. Just like, this is why I do it anonymously. because then people don't have to worry about that. It doesn't matter who people are.

Do you understand? People learn more so from the truth. And I feel like I get why people want to be anonymous because there are other people involved. People have children. People have husbands. People have, you know, so I get that. So I think if you let people be anonymous,

then they're more likely to be honest. And then people could really know what the fuck is really going on. And that's the whole point of it. You know, that's the beauty of the anonymity. Like I said, I was fucked when I didn't have someone anonymous on recently. and then I got out to do all this editing. That's what I don't want to do. Yeah, no, I agree 100%.

I believe. I believe, you know, this is different. Exactly. So we're going to call it a day. This is the end of the podcast, part two. God knows what I'm going to title it, but we'll figure out. Well, you'll see. I'll send you an email.

Probably the narcissist, mother hating. No. Want to be? No, definitely not. Well, listen, we all have that shit. I always think to myself, like, what is my son? You know, since our parents push your dysfunctional buttons, like, what the fuck is he going to say about me when he gets older? Just the way that it is.

You know, we're not perfect people. No, our parents weren't perfect. We're not perfect. You know, you can't be perfect. So a little dysfunction, you know, is normal. We are somewhat a product of our environment. I mean, I agree. Absolutely.

But a little dysfunction is normal. What else are we here for? We don't come to this earth to be perfect. We come to this earth to, like, take on problems and solve them and grow and change. And that's what it's all about. Yeah. Look, we're Americans. We are a narcissist. Uh-huh. Don't think anything that we're not. Everybody is a narcissist.

Okay. We all think we're the most important person to us. Right. We are in a certain way. And then we aren't. Yeah. I mean, that, you know, like, to me, we're so important and not important at the same time. You know, I don't know. To me, I think everything I do is like really, really important and then really, really unimportant. Like, I'm a piece of sand in a fucking sand pile. You know, that's how I think both things exist at the same time. I guarantee you you're important to somebody in your life, your son. Exactly. And he's up, so I have to go tend to him.

He's not crying, but he's up. I can see him on the monitor. Okay, Eric, thanks for calling in again. I'm being honest. I know you're being honest. Okay. Bye. Bye.

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