Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1236 - Hunter and his Wife Went from Vanilla to Cheating to Hardcore Swinging

Episode Date: September 30, 2025

Hunter and his wife went from vanilla to cheating to hardcore swinging recently and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including how he cheated on his wife and how they worked through it, how they’re went from being very vanilla and the app they used to start talking about sex, the first sex club they went to and what went down the first night, how and when he told his wife he was bi and how she reacted, their first soft swap and exactly what went down, their first full swaps and the one that was the best and exactly what went down including his wife’s first hook up with a girl, his first bi experience and exactly what went down, his first cream pie and what went down, his first experience topping a guy solo and what went down, the recent couple they swapped with and what went down, what they’re looking forward to doing plus a whole lot more. **To see HOT pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712   Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed.   Sponsors:  https://brooklynbedding.com⁠ Use my promo code STRICTLY at checkout to get 30% off sitewide ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://vb.health⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To get 10% off Drive Boost by VB Health use code: STRICTLY ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://beducate.me/pd2528-anonymous⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Use code: ANONYMOUS to get 50% off your yearly pass plus get a 14-day money-back guarantee ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://uberlube.com/discount/Strictly⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Use code: STRICTLY for 10% off Uberlube aka the BEST Lube EVER ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Get your first month of the new Blewchew Max FREE! use code: STRICTLYANON ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://viia.co/STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Try VIIA and use code STRICTLYANON for great SEX and sleep ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://butterwellness.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Use the code “STRICTLY” at checkout for 20% off your entire order To get $15 OFF your female oxytocin arousal tablets and more, use code STRICTLY here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://shamelesscare.sjv.io/xLQ3Jv⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow me! Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Google it yourself, you're not going to see it because it's like 18 plus. So just click on the link in the description to find my Patreon and it'll take you where you need to. to be okay today i have on hunter i love hunter and his wife's story i wish i could get hunter's wife on because she's so interesting uh he's interesting too and their story's super interesting because this was a couple who met very early on like when they were kids teenagers got married lost a virginity to each other on their wedding night i mean they were super religious uh kids and they followed the rules and there was some infidelity early on in their marriage and there was some infidelity in their marriage, but they stayed together and they worked through it. And we talk about that,

how they did work through it, why he cheated, how she found out. And like I said, how they worked through it. And then he talks about how they wound up, like this vanilla couple that was super religious and very repressed sexually, how they went from that to being a couple that like went to sex clubs and then soft swapping, then full swapping, then both of them hooking up with like members of the same sex and being by and all that kind of good stuff. He's had some solo play with guys. She's hooked up with girls and he talks about all of it. Okay. They're in their early 40s. They've just been doing this a couple of years.

Their whole journey into it is super interesting because it's not like, you know, the movies where one day things just changed. This happened over time. And I think that their beginning of their story is super interesting how they went from, like I said, being this super religious couple

to getting through like infidelity in their relationship and wind up on the other side doing all this kind of crazy stuff that they're doing. He's into cream pies. She's into DVPs. Okay, wait till you hear their story. So anyway, I'm going to, Oh, and I have hot picks of them over on my Patreon.

But anyway, I'm going to get right to and be right back on with Hunter. Hi, Hunter. Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. I like that name Hunter. How are you today? Doing all right. How much so? Good.

So listen, Hunter. You are a guy who's married. You are in an open marriage now. You guys have done a lot of different things. But you got one of those stories where you guys, or I don't know if it's you or you and your wife. I'm assuming you and your wife are very religious, right? And, you know, you went from being totally. religious and vanilla, you know, one end of the spectrum all the way to the other, but I'm sure

it didn't happen overnight. It's not like one day you decided to like change it all up and your full swapping. But, you know, how long have, let's get a snapshot of where you're at now. Like, how long have you and your wife been married? We, almost 21 years now. Okay, cool. And how old are you guys? We are 42. Okay, cool. So were you both like super religious married when you're super young, first marriage, both for the both of you?

Oh yeah, yep. We started dating 16, married at 21. Wow. And met at a little private school. And yeah, completely virgins, no world, nothing before we got married. Wow. For the both of you. So both of you guys have been the only people you were ever with sexually. Were you virgins? Like, did you wait until you were married to fuck like on the first like on your marriage? Like, or did you fuck me? We did. We did. You waited till the night of marriage. So let me ask you this. I don't think I've ever heard someone to answer. with us. I've never asked it before. But like,

is it like the best sex ever because you waited and you have all this like pent up? Or is it like awkward and weird and like a letdown? Like what was it like that first time? Because you waited for the wedding night. Awkward, weird. It's not good. Let down. Let down.

Yeah, of course. We didn't know what the hell we were doing. Yes. That's what I would think. It's not like the fucking movies. That it's just the most romantic thing. It's like the worst thing is to wait for that night. Like there's no way it's great. Because the first time you fuck anyone, it's not like amazing. Especially your first time.

You know, your poor girl, she's losing her virginity the first time. Now, were you guys the religious types of people? This is the last question I want to ask about so long ago. Like, were you the religious types of people where you got like totally naked and did oral sex and everything but put it in? Or did you barely do anything and then waited to really get it on when you got married? We basically did nothing. I got into some of the jobs here and there.

and I don't think she ever actually let me make her orgasm until we got married. Well, to me, that's the more, like, that's the less hypocritical way of doing things. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. Like, I just think it's kind of funny when people are like, oh, we can't fuck till we're married, but they do like everything else or even like nowadays fucking in the ass, but they won't put it in the pussy. You know, it's like, that's like, I mean, by the time you're like that far into it, I think you might as well just fuck too.

You're not such a virgin. But anyway, okay, so you guys are totally religious, very vanilla. where I know you're not now so okay so you have kids you get married like so when does the change start to happen or like what were there was some infidelity right in your marriage like and I'm assuming that happened before is that like when things change maybe we should start there no that's not really so but that was like in the first couple years and I think just the you were young young and dumb and just and just sex was just so awkward and bad and for her especially and then I'm sitting here you know, 23 or something like.

Who cheated? I'm married to somebody who did me, me. So I'm thinking, I'm, you know, married to someone who doesn't want to have sex and hates it and everything. And so that just kind of, you know, young, dumb, immature, didn't know how to handle that. Yeah, that went on for like six months until I got caught. Oh, my God. How did she catch you?

Honestly, like she just, I mean, you talk about it. She just could tell something was up. And I answered a couple texts one. And she just asked me who it was. and I was tired of lying. Oh, and you came clean. Yeah. Oh, how did she react?

Was she like, I mean, were you guys on the brink of getting divorced? It was. Yeah, yeah. It was, you know, she had kind of, she moved out for her month and we stayed in contact and decided to, you know,

we were going to figure out how to make it work. And, you know, years of rebuilding trust and everything, it took a while. Well, okay, let me ask you this. You know, how did, like, who decided to come back? Like, what was your,

reasoning for, you know, cheating. Like, did you have kids and she wanted to keep it together or she felt like you were, like, you know, why do you think that she decided to give you another chance? Sometimes it's the kids. I mean, I can understand why. Yeah, no kids or anything. And honestly, it comes back down to a lot of religion stuff and, like, her parents and people talking to her to, like, you're not allowed to get divorced.

Divorce is bad and all this kind of stuff. You need to, you know, work it out, forgiveness and the whole spill. and makes sense so she had no choice yeah i think it's about the moment she felt because she was said you know now she wanted to be like fuck off yeah totally she wasn't allowed the religion kept her not liking sex not having sex and not able to divorce a guy who just totally cheated on her poor thing so so she stuck it out through now how long did it take for her to regain your trust and how did that happen i mean it was like i got a know, you know, years, I mean, but initially I just said, like, we have to work towards that.

Otherwise, it's not, it's not going to work if we don't work back towards that. And so, you know, for me, it's just sacrificing the, you know, the bachelor parties and the guy weekends and things like that. And just, I guess, just showing her that, you know, I'm committed to it as much as she is. And, but it took, I mean, it took a long time before, you know, that season would come around every year and things, you know, emotions would creep up. Yeah, of course. Did she have like, did she ask to like see your phone a lot and were you total full transparency? Like here you go. Yeah, I don't know that she didn't. I was full transparent. She didn't ask and not much that I can remember. Like she wasn't obsessively wanted to see everything. Or questioning you and nothing like that. Okay. And did you know that like what after you did that that you were like fully committed and never going to cheat again? Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, we went through, you know, went through counseling different things and, and talk to more, I guess, secular counselors or whatever you call back then is that we were more open about sex and stuff so that we could work through those issues.

And because I think for her, a lot of it was like, you know, it's bad. Sex is bad. You can't have sex. And you get married and you're supposed to flip a switch and enjoy it. And nobody talked with her about that, hey, you're perfectly normal that, you know, clitorial orgasms are most women. That's what you need, right? Yeah, poor thing. She had no clue. She was, and you were the first person, and then you go cheat on her.

Now, and did you, like, was everything else in your marriage okay? And it was strictly like, oh, because the sex was lacking and you were young and you had opportunity that you did it. Like were there other issues going on? No, that's really what it boiled down to, I think. And then she had to face that, which probably was very difficult for her. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't, I mean, I can think about it now, but even for years, I hated to think about the, you know, the pain I cause for not just being open about it and seeking proper guidance, you know what I mean? Yeah, but also for her just to feel like she didn't live up to what you wanted sexually. And here she was so repressed and everything. So did she like work on like when she could eventually sort of swallow that truth? Because that's hard. That's hard to take in for anyone, I can imagine. But did she like start to then work on herself or did you help or is that what like these counselors,

how do you guys do like start to like work together to make your. sex life better and to help her get more comfortable in her sexuality? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And so how did that work? Like what changed? I think for her just, you know, being more open to learning about her body or the female body

and understanding that she's not different or weird or that it takes, you know, it takes practice and all this kind of stuff to actually get good at it and enjoy it. And then myself, just making sure that I was not just finishing up. and being done, you know, I was making sure I was trying to please her help her. Yeah, exactly. So, and then I think it just, I think she just said to mentally go in a spot and tell her, you know, to like get over all that repression and, and lack of knowledge and start learning, I guess. And I think that helped her. Like she definitely needs to, the more she knows about something, the more she opens her mind up to it. But, you know. So how did she learn about it? Just by like, what you and her together? Did you start watching porn together? Like, how did she like, go from being this vanilla girl that didn't know what she was doing to actually enjoying sex?

Oh, I think just talking, actually talking to her friends about it for one. Oh, that's cool. That's interesting. Okay. Yeah, because she had like, you know, nobody, nobody talked to her about anything beforehand. And like, and then, you know, and then just like, I can't remember the books, but, you know, there's a couple books that she got. That's great. Like, so she read it, she did research.

Yeah. Yep. And then your sex life got better? Oh, for sure. Yeah. I think, yeah, she began to enjoy it and understand that her body's different than anybody else's as a whole, you know, and accept that. Yeah, yeah, it absolutely got better and lack of knowledge and start learning, I guess. And I think that helped her.

Like, she definitely needs to, the more she knows about something, the more she opens her mind up to it. But, you know. So how did she learn about it just by like, what you and her together? Did you start watching porn together? Like, how did she, like, go from being this vanilla girl that didn't know what she was doing to actually enjoying sex? Oh, I think just talking, actually talking to her friends about it for one. Oh, that's cool. That's interesting.

Okay. Yeah, because she had like, you know, nobody talked to her about anything beforehand. And like, and then, you know, and then just like, I can't remember the books, but, you know, there's a couple books that she got. That's great. Like she said she read it. She did research. Yeah. Yep.

And then your sex life got better? Oh, for sure. Yeah. I think, yeah. She began to enjoy it and understand that her body's different than anybody else's. as a whole, you know, and accept that. Yeah, yeah, absolutely got better. Okay, I mean, listen, I'm asking these questions because a lot of people go through infidelity,

you know, and here you guys are a couple that was forced to stay together and make it through. You know, so I feel like people could learn from your story, you know, so it's not like, you know, so it's like it's interesting how this girl went from where she was to being good in bed and enjoying herself. So she did research. She talked to her friend. She got in touch. Now, when did like these other.

other naughty things come into the conversation because like you guys are swapping and shit now, you know, so like how do you go from there to that? Oh, yeah. I think that just kind of came down to I think a lot of people's story after COVID, but. Oh, really? After COVID? Yeah, I hear. So even people we need a lifestyle, it's like COVID just, I think it just got people talking more in their marriage and you're home together all the time. Yeah. For us, I mean, now we have kids and it was, we were like, you know, we're so busy with them. We'd hardly talk about anything. And, other than, you know, who's taking who where this week. But so we finally just sat down and started like, hey, we got to, we got to keep up these

conversations. And so we started talking just about the religion thing and everything and kind of broke all that down like we were both questioning. I think I've been questioned a long time and, you know, it was kind of afraid to tell her because I didn't want to freak her out about it. About what? The fact that you were questioning it and maybe weren't buying into all of it? Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. But she was on the same page when you kind of put it out there. Yeah, yeah, as it turns out, you know, we talked about all these things and just kind of came to the conclusion of like, yeah, we don't really buy into any of that bullshit anymore. And so then it kind of turns into like, well, what are our values then? Like we have all these values that were based around this religion. What do we what do we hold true still, you know? Like, who are you without all of that, right? Like, that's what it's about figuring out, like, what do you like now that you're not being told or you're not, you know, doing what you were told to do? It's like relearn. It's having to get to know yourself, like brand new. For sure. For sure.

Unfortunately, we like kind of fall into the same area because I know a lot of people that go through this end up divorced because they realize that they don't, like that religion was what was keeping them together. Yeah. Well, listen, you're lucky that when you put it on the table that you were starting to question it, that she was right there with you because I'm sure a lot of couples go separate ways because one person maybe feels that way and the other one doesn't. Oh, for sure.

Especially with kids. It's hard to raise kids. With different values, you know what I mean? You don't agree on the same values. Yeah, those are the most important things. I think people don't understand when they're like fucking and having all this chemistry in the beginning of relationships. Like with the real things that you need to be on the same page about are like what

you really believe in, your morals and your values. Because when you raise kids, what people don't realize before they have kids is you are going to like those beliefs that you have like it's going to be, it's like the number one thing you want to give to your children. You know what I mean? And if someone else, like your partner doesn't believe in it, like it's fucking. in war. At least it would have been for me. That's why I was like a single mom with a baby. I don't have to fight with anyone, you know, but that could be a big problem, you know, but it turns out you guys were

on the same page. So like, you know, you're in COVID, you're stuck together. You're talking about things. You're not into the religion. You're kind of like, oh, what else do we, you know, who are we without all this stuff? And so who, because I know the first thing you do is go to like a sex club, right? Like a swingers club. Like, you know, how does that come to be? Like what happens and how do you it to that place. Yeah, I think we just, we had this like app, I can't read it as paired or something like that where you answer sexual fantasy questions. I love that.

Yeah. Yep. And I think one of the ones was like a, like go to adult resort. And so we started looking into that. And I kind of knew that hedonism and desire all existed prior. But so I introduced her to those and said, hey, these, they exist. Like, what do you think of these things? And, hey, there's these sex clubs too.

And it just was like, well, let's instead of spending thousands of dollars to go down to Mexico for a week. Let's go here. Let's go here and just see what it's like. Do we, do we, either of us like, do we enjoy being around that scene and being naked in front of people and seeing people have sex with the people that aren't their partners or just with, you know, all that kind of stuff? So, yeah, we went.

But wait, let me just ask you one quick question. I'm going to get all the details for that first club because that's a big thing for you guys to be there. But like, you know, when you're going, I love that app idea. I think anything to prompt conversations about sex and get people talking about their secret fantasies because so many people don't, you know, is such a great way to completely change the game. Like, think about it. If you didn't have that app and didn't sit there and start asking each other of those questions, you wouldn't be where you are now. It completely changed everything.

So like, when that came up the question, like, about the, you know, the adult resort, were you shocked that she was like right there with you? Or was she the one that said she was down for it? Like, or, you know, at that point where you're already so open with your fantasies that you knew she would be because that's like a pretty big thing to say that you're into, right? Yeah, completely shocked. Because you're the one that I put it out there. Like that was your fantasy. And she was like, okay.

Oh, no, we both like, because, you know, we answer the questions. And then the app tells you like common interest. Yeah. Oh, that's how it works. Pairs. That's why we call Pair. You both sort of say. And so you both matched on that one.

Even more fascinating. Oh, my God. So it's like, well, hey, this is a common fantasy. Let's start from there. Wow. You guys were really the right match for each other. Yeah. Yeah. So it's. Yeah. Okay. So you match on that. And you were shocked, right? That she was like right there with you. Okay. Awesome. She was probably scared to put that out there. But you were like, of course you probably thought it was more likely that you'd be okay with it. But I think it's more shocking that she was, which was great. So you go to your first sex cup. Now is it like, were you, like, is it? Like, is it. close to where you live or did you have to travel far? No, it's like an hour away. It's pretty close.

Okay. And what were your rules and regulations or like ideas of what was going to go down when you were going there that first time? We weren't going to talk to anybody. We would check things out. It was like an orientation that night. And I'm like a, I'm a nerd. I research everything beforehand. So I kind of, you know, hot, wiping, swinging all this stuff. I was all up to speak. but she kind of was into the orientation, wanted to listen to that. So we get done, and then it was time to decide if we were going to stay there for the night,

and she was on board. So, yeah, we did that, and ended up going in their big orgy room later on and having sex and just around the whole scene. And I had a great time. She was nervous, but, you know, she had a good time, too. And I think also just love seeing, like, my reaction to it, you know. Yeah.

But there was no jealousy. Like she was down with it all. You guys just played with each other in front of people, right? Yep. Okay, cool. And was that a turn on for the both of you? Oh, yeah, for sure. And then was the sex, like, really incredible when you got back to your hotel room, too?

Yeah, I think, like, oh, and, like, you know, probably didn't go to bed to, like, three, three, three, 30. I don't know. It's like we came two more times back of the hotel. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. So then take it from.

there like what goes next because I know you go slowly and you do different things I mean you're full swapping now right yeah yeah so I think we did that like probably once a month for six months or so and in the meantime just having conversations about you know what what what we'd be into and willing to do and like I had made it known from the beginning like I was down with whatever and let me ask you this did you know specifically if you were like into the hot wiping thing or a threesome or seeing her with a girl like was there anything specific that stuck out to you or were you just down for it all A total swinger vibe. Yeah, just a group sex lifestyle vibe.

Like whether, you know, it just didn't really, to me, I don't have a like a specific scenario that I love more than the other. It's just, you know, whatever works with the connections we make. Yeah, no, that's more like, I know people don't like the word swinger and I feel like they should come up with a new one because it seems a little outdated, but that's more like a swinger mentality, right? Like a guy that really loves seeing his girl just with other guys. Like that guy doesn't really care about banging other women.

And that's like a guy that's into hot wiping. But people like you who like swapping and group sex and going in clubs and seeing people fuck, like that's like a someone that's like a swinger, you know? That's a big difference. Okay. So and your wife was down with all of that too? I mean, not initially. I mean, just because again, there's, there's, it takes time to deconstruct the, the whole, you know,

sex with anybody where your husband is wrong and you're going else. Yeah, of course. But, but yeah. And I think for her, like this whole world was something she didn't know about. So she, you know, we listened to. like your podcast and a lot of others that really kind of allowed her to learn and see that there's people out there doing this that are having a great time they're not getting you know divorced just be you know because they had sex with somebody else and and and they still live

fulfilling life and stuff so i think the more she learned on that and the more we talked about that she you know trusted you know my reasons for wanting to be in it it wasn't just that i wanted to have sex with other women or anything like that so yeah kind of she kind of opened up to it and And finally, you know, had our first soft swap like six months after our first club visit. Yeah, let me ask you this, though. Like, are either of you into the same sacks like hooking up? Like, did she realize like, oh, maybe I'd be into being with her girl? Or are you both like just totally into the opposite sex?

Like, what's your guy's deal? So interesting. Yeah. So I'd probably consider myself by. Okay. And then her initially it was like, no way. But then I think in this time, sometimes in this time period, like we went to a strip club together and got a VIP dance from from this beautiful girl there

and before we did that her and my wife were talking a lot anyway she had my wife had a great time and I was like I could see the look in her eyes and their face when the girl was dancing on her and they were you know revving their hands all over each other and I was like there might be something there but when when along this like when during the like in this timeline did you figure out you were into guys and then when did you cop to that and then how did she react so it just so that i've known that since i was high school oh okay so when did you admit that to her uh that first night at the club after the words oh okay so not for a long time i mean just that first night in the club even when you were doing that paired app or anything there was no questions about that on there uh there was

questions on it but like if i answer yes like if it said like would you want to would you want to be with a guy or see her husband with a guy. Like she would have to answer yes for her to actually see it. Oh, interesting. I love the way that app is set up. That's kind of cool. So, okay, so you told her that night at the club and how did she react? Yeah, first it was she would panic.

You know, it's like, it's just more. There's like this a lot of change, a lot of attention. And she just said, you know, but I took the time just explained to her how I felt about it. Like, this has nothing to do with how I felt about her, women in general, and my satisfaction and with her in our sex life and marriage and everything like that. And I think, like, again, she took the time to learn and research her on her own. And then, but yeah, other than that, she was very after, you know, just willing it over,

whatever, thinking about it and processing it, she was been completely supportive since. Now, let me ask you this. Had you ever had any experiences with guys, or is it just something that, you know, was something that you thought about sometimes? That ended up until then, no. So you had never had any experience, even when you were younger. Like, I know a lot of guys do shit with their friends that no one talks about, but you had never had any of that ever before, but you always knew that you were into guys, like

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Yeah. So that must have been a great to be able to get that off your back and admit it to your partner, right? Oh, for sure. I mean, this whole experience has just been very freeing, I guess. Yeah, I can imagine. Yeah, I can imagine. But that's like you're carrying that.

It's kind of like carrying a secret, right? Because it's like kind of a big thing if you ask me. And now you have it on the table and it's out in the open. And now it's a possibility that you could like live this out in real life. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's amazing. Okay. So now what's weird though is that like in sex clubs, in a lot of swinger clubs, the guy and guy action, it's still like a taboo thing that isn't really allowed, right?

Yeah. They have like a night that, oh really? A couple times a month that has it, but it's pretty dead on those nights. And even though there's like, you know, you talk to a lot of different people and there's a lot of people that are willing to try or want, you know, at least in the moment. Yeah. But yeah, you get to the, nobody wants to put that they're by or everything. her reflects for anything on their profiles and nobody wants to talk to you know everybody's waiting for the first for the other guy to bring it up you know yeah it's very common it's weird i couldn't that was

one of the most shocking things to me when doing my show is like learning that there were still such a stigma on guy and guy action in a lifestyle in a place where it should you know that's the one place it should be accepted because everything is it's weird all right so you go to that club six months later she's ready to sort of make the move into like going there with another couple, right? Yeah. Yeah, we didn't go to, we just, well, we didn't go to the club with a couple. We just went out for dinner and got a hotel room. So, but when you, she does decide that she's down for like some sort of swapping. Like, what do you guys do since you didn't meet him out of club? Like, did you go on an app and like start looking for people? We did. Yeah, we got the, yeah, one of the websites for swimmers and started, yeah, just messaging people there. Mm-hmm. So.

And did you find a couple that you both agreed on? Like, what were you looking for? Like, were they, you know, what was the couple? Like, what, did you put out there? And what did you find? I mean, I just, yeah, we were looking for just to experience, you know, our first experience and looking for, you know, I think just an experienced couple around our age. Nothing like super specific.

We didn't worry about, you know, whether they're straight or by, there in the fact that at the time we were, you know, the guy would have been by that would have been cool, but we were just letting girls know at the time that she wasn't interested. Well, because I know that the first thing is a soft swap, right? So do you put on there that you're not interested in like a full swap, just a soft swap? Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. Okay, so that's what you're leading with that, right? Like, that's what you go.

And we're not looking to like totally full swap, but we want to do a soft swap. And what is the difference between a soft swap and a full swap? Like what did you go into that first hookup as saying you, like what is off the table? Or what's on the table with a soft swap? I mean, for us, anything at the time was anything that, anything but Penetration. Yeah. Like, you know, oral's fine and and jobs and everything, but when it came time to, you know, no anal and then, of course, no, no, you know, PIV sex. Okay. Did you have any other rules, like no kissing

or anything like that? A lot of couples have that as a rule. You know, we didn't like have a rule. She wasn't ready to kiss anybody on that first time. I didn't care if I did. It was just kind of like one of those things for her just felt like it would be just on to kiss somebody else. Yeah, that she's not into it, she doesn't know. Yeah. Okay, so to walk me through that first soft swap experience. Yeah, I mean, it was good. Like this couple, they were pretty experienced, which was nice because they were, you know,

confident and knew how to just introduce new couples without, you know, they weren't pushing us to try anything we didn't want to do. Maybe we started out with like a card game, you know, and you flip something over and and be like, okay, this person do this to the other person and just let us know if we weren't comfortable, we didn't have to. But that was kind of a nice icebreaker versus just being like, okay, everybody stripped down and get naked and start going down on each other. It was, you know, just slowly introduced it. So, you know, which was good because like the cards start off very, very, I guess like, you know, like just grab, grab the other woman's breast over her shirt or something

like that. Yeah. So we were able to like, okay, well, how do we feel about that? Oh, no, that was fine. So I always ramp it up to the point where we were, you know, she was given a blowjob and I was going down on the girl and we were, everything was great. And so no buy experiences that time, but oral sex, everything else like went down? Yep. Okay. And how was that?

Like, did you enjoy not only being, because like, listen, this is like the first time you guys are like, you know, swapping some sort of fluids with another person in your whole life because you're both virgin. Right, you were both versions and everything. So how was that experience? Oh, it was extremely hot. Like, like, we both, like, we got back to our room and talking about it. And, like, I think the highlights of the night were watching each other perform a role on the other person.

Yeah, for sure. And then, like, no jealousy or anything. It was just, yeah, we both just, I think we just enjoyed that quite a bit. Now, do you stay doing, like, soft stops for a while? Because I know you get into, like, hard sauce, and we're going to talk about cream pies and all that kind of stuff. I mean, it'd come a long way. You play solo with guys, right?

So we got to get to all that. But like, so did you quickly like progress to full swaps right after that first experience? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, very nice couple we met with. We went full. Okay, cool. Because you're like a why not just go all the way, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like, yeah, we're good. We came out of that. No jealousy. Yeah. So let's just, let's just go for it.

So was it with a new couple or did you full swap with that couple? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we eventually hooked back up. up with that couple again for a full swap a couple years later but now this was a new couple. Now I know your first couple swaps weren't so good but the third one was a charm. Yeah, yeah. So this couple is just like there was just no sexual chemistry but then we were kind of due to it just like well, you know, went in Rome and they didn't have sex with us.

So we went for it. But it was just there. It just wasn't compatibility there. And we tried again thinking maybe the first time was just like chalked it up to nerves, you know. and the second time was even more awkward than the first. Oh, my God. So I was like, all right, this is not, you know, and I was like, we were talking. I was like, I just don't think that they were, I mean, the conversation wasn't sexy. I just don't think that they were, you know, we just weren't sexually compatible.

Like, I didn't want to, like, end on that note because it just didn't feel like that was the best out there. You know what I mean? Of course, yeah. Yeah. So let me ask you this, though, before we get to the third swap, which is great and amazing. and your first buy experience. But let me ask you this because your wife was very scared about, you know, and like had these reservations, you know, sleeping with someone outside of marriage and everything.

Once she crossed the line and sort of doing this stuff, like, was there no looking back? Or did she like question herself like afterwards or anything like that? Or was she just okay with everything once she was doing it? Yeah, I mean, I think there was like a internal, some internal battle for sure of like she was fine with it. but then like, you know, the old, old thoughts would creep back in her head. Like, what is she doing? This is crazy. Yeah, yeah.

Who does this sort of thing. And so it was like, but she, I want to say she felt guilty about anything. It was just kind of a big shock, you know? Yeah, because there's a lot of shame and, you know, and stuff like. So I could totally see that happening. But she was okay. But eventually she got past that as way, right? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, yeah. So in the beginning, though, she did have those feelings, but besides, like, being totally into it. Yeah. I think that makes sense. You know, that's why I ask, because I could see myself feeling that same way, you know, just because of, you know, how you've, how she lived her life this whole time. And now she's doing something totally different. Okay. So now your third swap. Like, what makes that one so great? Like who, you know, what went down? Like, tell us that good story. Yeah, so that one, so we met them at the club one night and then was just this big group and did it off there and did a little soft swap there.

We didn't go all the way that in the evening, but we stayed in touch with them for a while, which was kind of nice because you kind of get to know each other. And then it allows everybody to kind of just relax a little bit more when you get together. And so yeah, that night, so yeah, so before, so after those first awkward experiences and then before that night is when we went, not to, before we actually met. up at their place for a full swap evening was uh we went to the strip club and had that experience with the girl there. Uh-huh. And so then my wife was kind of like, you know, yeah, maybe all, uh, maybe I'll do some stuff with this, this girl. Because she, the, the girl this couple's, you know, fully by and open about it and everything. So, oh, it was her first buy experience, not yours. Yeah. No. No. Okay, cool. And so, yeah, so that was a lot of fun. I mean, we get up to their

place and then they have like all the lighting and the music and stuff and set the scene. and yeah the girls just started off just making out heavy and fingering and it was in like things I never thought I'd see my wife do and so yeah I mean they just they started off lightly kissing but then just like straight into hardcore making out and lingerie and on the bed and stuff and I was like oh shit like she's actually appears to be really into this you know and was the other girl super hot and the other couple good looking oh yeah yeah yeah yeah they're super sexy I mean that's been a couple of years ago we still could try to connect with them uh one once or twice a year. They live a few hours away, so it's a little harder to schedule. But anyway,

yeah, and then, you know, she let the other girl go down on her and then, and then, I don't know, I mean, we've played with them for like two, three hours that night. At some point, my wife just, like, randomly asked if it was okay if she went down on the other girl. And very unexpected. Of course, she knew I was okay with it if she wanted to. And anyway, she did that and surprise to her surprise, enjoyed it. And then, yeah, that was kind of sealed the deal for after that night of like I'm in you know she now she's by for sure yeah I mean she would not like full claim she's by I think she's okay you don't need to but in the moment she'll like she finds women attractive and she'll go there if she's attracted to the woman

yep yep so and now that was the full swap during that time right like you also fuck the woman and the yeah yeah yeah I mean yeah yeah that was just kind of in every you know me and the guy didn't do anything that night, but everything else was, you know, back and forth between our partners and, you know, a guy would take a break and why the girl was another guy had fun and it just, yeah, all sorts of everything you could imagine, basically. Now, same thing, like you love seeing her with another guy and same for her to see you, like, like doing the full swapping and everything? Oh, fully. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I think, like, that's always one of our favorite things is watching each other. because I know you did say we almost got into like hot wiping and your first buy experience like where does that come into play that was in the middle of the the the first couple full swaps we met up with a well-hung gentleman who and he was I think by or at least was okay if the other guy you know perform role on him or get stuff with him oh so this is going to be your first time so that was my first time yeah now how did you know this going to be going to in and was your wife like did she know at this point whether she was going to be down with you like hooking up with a guy was she turned on by the thought of it or but obviously she was okay with it

but did she know if she was going to be turned on by it that this was like her thing yeah oh yeah like because yeah she's she was been fantasizing about that for a while too once she found out you know and so i don't know the word compersion always comes up but like i think both of us like she wants me to live my life or you know in in experience of things that I find sexually you know appealing or my fantasies and same you know same with me when it comes to her so she's turned on by seeing you turned on right so if you being with a guy turns you on that fucking turns her on yep yep okay cool so you know going in that this guy is by and he's a single guy so there's no full swapping going down right correct okay so what goes down with him uh you know I didn't

do a whole lot. I mean, we kind of, you know, gave him a double BJ for a few minutes. And then the two of them, you know, they started having sex shortly after. And then, and then I was watching more or less and then letting her enjoy that time. And then I think a little later, I end up sucking his dick for, for, I don't know, a minute or two, not much. Kind of was weird because I didn't know, like, if he was, like, fully into it. One, I didn't know what to do. My gag reflex is no practice and I mean he was very well hung so yeah but then just didn't also know like didn't feel like I think even before he's like said that a lot of you know guys like myself that don't aren't like sucking a lot of dick kind of suck at it so I was like just didn't feel like he was fully into it

you know what I mean well and now he didn't make you feel any more confident by telling you that ahead of time no no not at all not at all so but nonetheless it was like kind of reaffirming. I was like, yeah, I enjoyed doing that. And she liked watching me do that. So we knew kind of going forward that if the opportunity came along, that there wasn't going to be any, you know, awkwardness or whatever about it. Is that when you realize you're into cream pies? Like, because I know that you are like sloppy seconds and all that kind of stuff. That night, no, actually that guy didn't even come that night. So, but that was that in our first like successful full swap, we had, we had, you know, arranged.

they all get tested and everything and not use condoms. And then so we both had, you know, came like, she was green pie about the other guy. Then I came and the other girl. So, and both of us, I think, enjoyed that a lot. Okay. So is that something that you knew that you were into or just like in the moment you went there and then realized you were into it? I mean, I had fantasized about it.

I wasn't kind of sure how I feel about it, you know? But you liked it. And I'll say, like, I mean, when it happened, when the other guy started coming inside her I was like for a brief moment like what the fuck you know that's very honest yeah but it was like you know but it was just because it was again new and and like oh shit this happening what am I what how am I feeling about this right now yeah he's planting his seeds and your girl it's like goes against nature you know what I mean yeah yeah yeah but yeah I think I think you know it's like I just didn't at the end of the day it was like you know we're both baby safe and everything like

that. So I wasn't worried about anything in that regard. And then, you know, she, again, she loved it and she gets really turned on when a guy comes in her, on her and things like that. So it just, um, listen, she's come a long way, this girl. Yeah. In the 38 minutes we've been talking. Okay, this is like a whole new woman here. I can't believe her transformation. Why don't we get her on the call? Could she please call in? I would love to talk to her. I tried to, I tried to get her to call in, too. And no, she's very, yeah, maybe someday. Yeah, I'm so easy. This is what you need to tell her.

I know she's going to listen to this. I am so easy to talk to. A lot of times people will tell me like when they get on the call, like, oh, I'm nervous. I'm like, trust me in two seconds, you're not going to be. And then at the end, I'm like, wasn't I right? They're like, oh, yeah. Like, you know, I forgot I was like, you know, because I'm so, I'm like just very easy to talk to. So even like the shyest person that's nervous is like, oh, that was so easy.

Because like, you don't, all she's got to do is sit there and I run the whole call, you know. So maybe she'll change her mind. but I would love to talk to her because like I said, like it's kind of crazy to think of like how far she's come in this whole story. You know what I mean? Like you're saying she loves cream pie. She loves people coming inside her. You know,

this is like from the beginning of this conversation to now she's like a totally different woman, which is pretty amazing. Now for you, right, this is like the first time you suck a dick. Like you said like you didn't feel like you did it good, but you realized like you were totally into it, right?

Like was it an amazing? Yeah. Like what you knew you liked it? Yep. Okay. Okay. Okay, cool. So do you start going out now looking for like buy guys more by guys?

Yeah, I think it's like it was fun and everything, but I don't know that we've made it a priority to look for couples with by guys. Okay. We put it out there, but it's like it's just hard enough as it is to find chemistry between four people. Totally. If it doesn't happen, like I love having sex with the other woman and watching my wife has sex with the other guy. It's like this, that's all. You don't need it. limited time too like yeah i don't have time to go meet like four or five different couples a month

looking for the the perfect match that where everybody's by and you know is that why you started why you have had some solo guy experiences right yeah just uh yeah the one time i think it was yeah i think from the beginning of that she would she'd asked me if i wanted to to experience it solo and it was like well maybe but let's just you know one step at a time here you know yeah and then as it kind of went it was like I almost wanted to just in a sense so I could explore that. And maybe go further, right? Like, did you want to top or bottom? Like, what was your deal? So I've only topped, but like, bottoming definitely sounds appealing because, like, we've done pigging. Oh, okay, cool. Uh-huh.

But I need to be warmed up. Everyone does. No, but everyone does. Yeah. So it can be, it can be, so yeah, just just getting that. finding the right person that I, you know, that, that knows what they're doing. That's not huge or, yeah, of course. And what not. So, I mean, that'll come eventually.

But you talked to guys, what you're saying, have you? Yeah, yeah. You walk me through that experience? Yeah, just, I don't know, yeah, just a guy in town that we met on, what did we meet on? I think Grindr. Okay. And then, yeah, I think one day it was, like, we had been talking off and on. And I think one day I was at work, and I was just like, I'm going to see these available

today. I'm just going to, you know, kind of pull the banning off and make the decision, you know, I was super nervous. And then, yeah, he happened to be available. And so I text my wife and said, hey, is this, is this guys available tonight? Is that okay with you? And then, and then, yeah, she was on board with it. So now this was going to be, like, is this just, is she going to be there? Is this a solo time? Nope. Just a solo. Okay. So that night, are you meeting him in a hotel or at his house or at your house and she left? Okay. Yep. So, yeah. Yeah, went over to his place after work.

What was his deal? Was he a single guy, a young guy, an older guy, a horse guy? No, he's married to another guy. Oh, okay, so he's a gay guy. They're open. Yeah, he's gay. And I'd actually chat with his husband on there before, too, and we didn't really kind of click, I guess.

But at least you knew he wasn't lying or full of shit. I mean, he had approval to be with another guy, and so you go to his house and his partner's not there. Correct. Okay. Okay. Okay. And how did it go?

Yeah, it went pretty good. I think he kind of showed me around and we sat on the couch and talked for a minute and said, hey, you know, whatever you're ready to do. And, like, you know, because I was super honest to him about my whole situation, is I feel like that's the best way to go. So there was, he was totally down to ticket or whatever speed I wanted to. And finally, I was just, let's go to the room and get going. So we just, yeah, I don't know, went out in bed and it just kind of should treat it like I was having sex with another woman, I guess.

Yeah. Do you feel, were you more confident that time blowing him and doing all the stuff? Yeah, yeah, for sure. And then like, at first I was like, I don't know about the whole kissing thing, you know, but just, just getting over my own internal issues or whatever. But yeah, I think as soon as we were naked and like grinding on each other and stuff, I just went for it. Yeah, because kissing could be hot.

I mean, it's not like a romantic thing, right? Like, I mean, because a lot of times that's like a lot of couples rules and most of the time it flies the fuck out of the wind. You know what I mean? Like it's like a take, because everyone realizes, you know, sometimes it's like hot and it doesn't mean anything and you don't have to like someone

to fucking make out with them and be good. You know, it means something different when you make out with someone that you like. It's a totally different thing. But it could just be like hot just to kiss someone that in the heat of passion, right? Like I don't know like if I was just saying

that all of them at the bar. I don't know if we're going to make out of the bar. But you know what I mean? But like the middle of sex, it's just like. Yeah. Yeah. It's totally different thing. It's not the same thing like when you're making out.

with your wife like when you're you know in a loving moment it's different okay so that now do you swallow i don't know why i like to ask guys like did you swallow uh so let's see he was riding me and when he came and i went in for a little taste but it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't uh yeah you don't like it you don't you know but it's like it's one person like i know everybody probably tastes a little bit different or whatever i just think it's interesting for guys to know what girls go through i mean like you did swallow and you got a taste of it and what you're saying is you didn't like it. Yeah, yeah. Like, was it better tasting? Because, you know, listen, if a guy takes a lot of medication, like, listen, I swallow, so I know what giz tastes like. There's like clean giz that, you know,

and then there's like jizz that like you're like, oh, you took a lot of medication or you're doing drugs or something. I don't know. Because like certain things do, you know, you know, come out in it. So sometimes it definitely does taste different. I mean, you've been doing cream pie, so you know. Yeah. Yeah, and then, I mean, yeah, like, I've even heard out after I've came in her or whatever, and this and that. Like, so I've tasted my own and it's been nothing. So it is, it was definitely different. Yeah, it can't be.

I'm saying I won it again, but like it just, you know, if in the moment and then I'm giving head and he came or whatever, then I'm not going to. Spent. You know, we'll just see. We'll just see what happens. Like, maybe I'll like it. Maybe I won't, you know? Yeah, I got it. But do he topped you, though?

I mean, you topped him that time? Yeah, correct. And how was that for you? I mean, you know, it was pretty hot. Pretty hot or amazing? I mean,

this is like something that you've wanted to do for a really long time. I mean, like I said, like I think I was more interested. I'm like more interested in bottoming, I think.

Oh, okay. That makes sense. But he's not, he's not a top at all. Right. He's a strict bottom. And then so yeah,

he just, he just, you know, rode me on that. So, I mean, I mean, you're watching him do his thing.

And then, yeah, shit when he came and everything like that. That was all pretty hot, but it definitely was like more interested in myself, more interested in the other at some point. Yeah, I get it. Now, because your girl is into this kind of thing, like, did you take pictures or videos for her, or did you just go home and give her the details? Was she interested at all? Like, was that a part of it?

Yeah, I gave her the details. But we didn't take any pictures or anything. Okay, but she was down and did she get out? Like, she was like into it? Oh, yeah, we got off. Yeah, we got off that night to it. Yeah, interesting. Have you seen that guy again?

or was it a one-time thing? I think it was a one-time thing. I think, like I said, if I was more into the topping thing, then I probably would try to seem again. But it just, you know, I think we'll keep it at once. Yeah. Now, do you still go to, like, the sex club? I know you have some, like, fantasies you're looking forward to doing in the future,

but, like, do you guys still go to the sex clubs and have couples at your full swapping? Like, what are you doing nowadays? Yeah, I think it's been, like, a year since we last went to the sex club. But, again, like, we met another great couple of last time. we were there. And we probably hook up with them almost monthly. Oh, wow.

So do you have any couples you have in rotation? Yeah, I'd say them. So they're about an hour away. And then the other couple that we had our first, you know, great experience with. They're like three hours away. But this new couple, they don't have kids. So it's really like they're almost always available when we are. Yeah, that's awesome.

Whereas the couple has three hours away. They have three kids who are heavily involved in sports and extracurriculars as well as ours. So it's like finding a weekend where everything aligns perfectly that we can meet up is challenging. But we stay in contact and send clarity texts and different things like that. Yeah, that's fun. But this other couple, how is the sex with that? It's great. Yeah, it's been really great. It's like the first time I, I can't remember the, oh, that was the other, sorry, I was getting people confused here. But anyway, no, so I don't know, hit off real good. Like, we were their first, I think, me, I can remember where their first soft

up or not. But like when we met at the club, like, I don't know, usually we talk to people for a while, like not like weeks and months and visits, but like, you know, have like at least a little bit. But they, uh, they saw us in the locker room when we were getting ready to go back and they'd seen us on the website. Oh, you guys were marked. They knew they were going after you. Yep. And it was like, you know, her and my wife and I were feeling pretty good. And I was like, yeah, they look sexy let's go for it but yeah we just basically went right to it and it was kind of weird because then we were kind of guiding them and and on you know everything of like introducing them to the scene yeah but yeah we hit it off really good and like said that night was only a soft swap and

then i think we met up actually we met up the next weekend they went to their house and and then and then we full swapped um which was their first full swap so that went and then again that went really well Now, is the guy by or the wife by, like, does your wife get on with her? So the wife is by. Okay. She's super kind of shy, too. Like, so the first time, they kind of, they did some stuff together, but then they haven't really since. Okay.

So I was talking, I just started my wife this week and it's like, you just kind of like, one of you just needs to be the one to come forward and say, hey, let's, let's, let's, let's the girls have fun. Either that or I'm just going to have to say it next time. Because it's like, the other girl doesn't want to, you know, because my wife does. and identifies by, so she doesn't want to make her feel uncomfortable by trying to do stuff with her. But they've already done something. So they just, yeah, so both of them are like, neither one of them is like being the more pushy one. Someone needs to do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I just said, yeah, if you put it out there, I'm sure she'll, she'll be down. So is your wife attracted to her?

Yeah, oh yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, they're a very attractive couple. Okay. So yeah. So you full swap with them, you have the other couple. What's on your bucket list? I know you said you have some stuff you're looking forward. Yeah. I mean, if time allows, like, it started to get everything, but I know, like, I'd be, she'd be down with, like, finding, like, two guys to have fun with her.

Uh-huh. And then maybe more, but, like, going any more than that is, it's a big jump, you know? So I think you're starting out with just a couple and then. Maybe a gang bang will be the year after. Yeah, exactly. Every year there's something new. Yeah, probably. And then just finding the right guys that we're comfortable with and stuff.

I mean, I'm sure we can get online and find people like, okay, we're going to arrange this gangbanger two guys and we could find people. But again, it just comes down to having the time. And by now we have these two couples that we love to hook up with that it's like why waste our one weekend this month going to try to meet somebody new and have it just be a complete dud, you know? Right. Let me ask you this. When you guys are full swapping and stuff, does your good? girls sometimes have like two guys on her at once anyway because there's two guys there like you know yeah yeah yeah so yeah we've uh mean that first single guy we connected with and then the the couple that where she had her first buy experience we've since done dvp

oh okay so dvp that's it's too vaginal yeah two dicks and one in her in her pussy two dicks at the same time yeah that's must be hard to do not like just to physically like just for the both of the guys to get in the right position. It's a pain. I would say that like the fantasy has been hotter than the experience. Yeah. Because it's like you almost, you need to like goes back to when we first started having sex.

Like it's like awkward finding the right positions and getting all everybody in the right rhythm. Totally. I don't see how you could even do it. I mean, you know, first of all, she's got to be pretty limber because she's got both of you in between her. And then the,

how do your hips like move so that you can both get your dicks in? You know, You have to be very comfortable. You have to be very comfortable with guy and guy contact, that's for sure. Crossing sores. You're crossing sores. I mean, your legs are crossed up. Yeah. It's not just like, it's, you know, the guys in porn, they all make it look easy, but it's not as easy. But did she like it? Yeah, no, she loves it.

Okay, so she's into. We will use toys at home to, to, I guess, experience and fantasy, you know, the family. Oh, so to mock it up. Does she ever want to do like P? Does she into anal play at all? No. You know, at home, we'll do it every now and then. And, you know, sometimes she likes it, sometimes not. But I think with other people, she's not interested at all just because there's, they just think she just gets self-conscious and worries about mess and different things like that. So she's not down for that. But she wants to do two guys separate from you. So it would be maybe like three guys, you plus the two other guys. Yeah, possibly. Or like, I kind of in that scenario, we'll just, kind of want to watch. Oh, interesting. Yeah, watch a show. Yeah. Yeah, it's like watching your own porn star, right?

That's what everyone says. Yep, yep. Yeah, I love it. Can you believe? So how long has this whole journey, like, what we've been talking about from the time you went to the sex club to then? It's like right after COVID, so like five years we're talking or four years? No, it was three and a half years since we took next club.

Okay, so three. Yeah. I'd say we had talked for, like, I don't know, solid six months before we even went to the six. the sex club. And then six months after that was your full swap and everything. Yeah, okay, cool. That's amazing, right? I mean, can you believe, like, not only how far she has come, but the both of you and you too? Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of crazy a little bit to think about, like, the whole history of everything. Yeah, and how has it changed? My favorite question, and always, how did I like to end the call? It's like, you know, ask people, like, how did it change your marriage and your relationship with each other?

Yeah, I think for the better. I mean, our communication is far better than it was three, four years ago. Now, now it's, you know, we started, we started working on that before we did this. So I, it's hard to, you know, say that this really helped that along or wasn't a catalyst. But then also just being able to be 100% open with each other on stuff, you know?

Yeah. I'm not afraid to tell her this or that because I know we're going to, we'll talk it out and maybe it'll freak her out for a minute or maybe she'll freak me out for a minute, but we're not like, it's not the end of the world and we're not, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, totally. That's what everybody says. It's always the same kind of thing. And that's what I always say. My show isn't telling people like, oh, every couple needs to be non-monogamous. So plenty of people will never do these kinds of things, and nor do they have to or should they. I'm not like promoting this. I'm just saying that like, you know, this not only can work, it does work. And a lot of people are happier because of it. And that's what I think a lot of people don't believe, you know. And that's why I listen, I love a swinger gone wrong story because I think people could learn. from that too and a lot of people do it the wrong way but I love to let like I love for people to know and know what I think is important is that a lot of people do it the right way and are fine for it

you know and that's what I think a lot of people don't believe you know I'm talking about the regular vanilla people that aren't in this world so it's super interesting but what I love the most about podcasting is like what you were saying before about how like you and your wife listened to it and she listened to it to help or get to that place like and that's what a lot of people are doing nowadays, you know, and that's how people are getting more comfortable with it and stuff and learning. And I think that that's great, you know? For sure. Yeah.

So what did we call you again, Hunter? Oh, yeah, I love that name, Hunter. Hunter, work on your wife. Get her to call in, okay? Like, I would love to talk to her and hear her journey. But even if not, thank you so much for calling in and telling your story. Now, if you listen to my show, you know, I always ask for pics for my Patreon. If your wife knows, I won't take pictures of her unless you ask her, which I know you would.

It doesn't sound like you would do that behind her back. but I always say for Patreon if you want to send me hot picks like you know R rated picks nothing X rated and I'll also give you free access to my Discord you'll get that with an email like right after we hang up you'll get a thank you email with a free access to Discord just make sure if you go into the Discord and you sign up that you sign in as Hunter right so that when your episode airs you could post in the guest channel and you could get in there but even if you don't post you just get free access and once you're in you're in and my Discord super naughty so have fun over there but thanks so much

Hunter for calling in. I love your guys' story. All right. Thank you. Thanks. Bye. Bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in paperback and ebook, but you can pre-order the audio book. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it.

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