Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1256 - Katie is Sleeping with a Married Man and his Wife?!

Episode Date: October 23, 2025

Katie is sleeping a married man and his wife and she calls in to talk all about it. How did she meet him? How did she find out he was married? And how did she wind up sleeping with both him and his wife? Tune in for the details which include how and where they had s-e-x their very first date, how she felt when she found out he was married, him and his wife's rules for playing and how they effect her, her past experiences in the "lifestyle" including her Craigslists hookups with multiple men at the same time, her boyfriend who liked to watch her with other guys, her introduction into bdsm and swingers clubs and how far she went while there, what exactly went down when she and the married guy and his wife all hook up, what they do with other couples without his wife, the foursome they had which led to her first hook up with a female, her unicorn position and how and why it's sometimes a burden, what she's looking for from this relationship, how she makes it work and a whole lot more. REPEAT THURSDAY, originally aired 01/22 **To see HOT pics of KATIE plus my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712   Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed.  Sponsors:  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://uberlube.com/discount/Strictly⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Use code: STRICTLY for 10% off Uberlube aka the BEST Lube EVER ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Get your first month of the new Blewchew Max FREE! use code: STRICTLYANON ⁠⁠https://beducate.me/pd2532-anonymous⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Use code: ANONYMOUS to get 50% off your yearly pass plus get a 14-day money-back guarantee ⁠⁠⁠https://brooklynbedding.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ Use my promo code STRICTLY at checkout to get 30% off sitewide ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://vb.health⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To get 10% off Drive Boost by VB Health use code: STRICTLY ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://butterwellness.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Use the code “STRICTLY” at checkout for 20% off your entire order To get $15 OFF your female oxytocin arousal tablets and more, use code STRICTLY here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://shamelesscare.sjv.io/xLQ3Jv⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow me! Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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this is like such a great episode. She, yeah, she is seeing a married guy. And she sees the wife too, mostly him, but her too. They all have sex. She's done a lot of stuff in her past. That's the stuff that unfolds in a crazy way. How did she find out the guy was married? Was he upfront about it at first?

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like why do you keep interrupting her? Because trust me, me interrupting her makes her reveal so much more. But like I said, don't worry. We wind up getting back to the whole husband and wife story. But in the middle, we get into a lot of her backstory, which happens to be very interesting and naughty too. Oh, and if you want to see pictures of her, she did send me in some anonymous picks. Sign up for my Patreon.

Patreon.com slash strictly anonymous podcast. The link is in the description. Okay? So sit back, relax, enjoy the ride, because you will. I'm going to be right back on with Katie. Hey, Katie, welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. How are you today? I'm good, thanks.

How are you? Good. I know because we spoke a little bit before that you're hiding out in a parking lot talking to me. I don't know. I don't know why. I don't know, cheating sex in parking lots and people calling me up in parking lots. There's nothing more funny to me.

Only because I think, like, you know, people are driving by would just like never have any idea what you're doing. Exactly. So anyway, Katie, you are calling in. What I know about you is that you are, quote unquote, girlfriend to a swinger couple. So, like, I'm assuming you're a unicorn, but when you say you're a girlfriend, I'm like maybe this is also a Polly thing going on. What is the deal with the swinger couple in you? Yeah, so that's kind of my role in their role. relationship is they refer to me as their girlfriend.

We've been connected, I guess, a little over two years now. And, yeah, so he and I met individually and kind of hit it off. And I met his wife maybe three or four weeks later. And the three of us have been friends ever since. Friends, quote unquote, like a hookup friend, right? Yeah. So typically he and I, he and I play together most. She and I don't necessarily interact a great deal, but the three of us spend time together.

We, you know, all hang out as a little trio. Sometimes we get together and there's no sex involved at all. It's more like a, you know, a friendship. But yeah, that's kind of where we're at. Okay, so let's start at the beginning. How old are you too? Because you sound super young. I don't know how old you're going to sound when I change your voice, but, you know,

without the voice change. You sound really young. And then tell me how old they are and then, you know, start the story off when you, how you met him. So, so I'm 40, actually. Oh, my God. You sound like you're 23. Yeah, so I'm 40.

And he's 45 and she's 35. Okay. Yeah. So when we met, I met him, we had matched on a dating app. And I had never considered. anything non-monogamous before ever. I grew up really expecting that like, you know, a goal was to find my person and to get married and that was going to be it forever. And so when we met, it was like, and this sounds so cheesy, but it really was like the best first date I had ever been on.

We, when we matched and we were, you know, chit-chatting back and forth and a couple of phone calls and just really hit it off. And when we finally met in person, it was just just, you know, it was a great night and we ended up hooking up in the backseat of his car in the parking lot. Oh, my favorite. Before we drove home. So, you know, but at the time, I had no idea he was married. He did not disclose that. And which, for people in the lifestyle, when they find out about that, it's kind of frustrating. Most people are a little more open about their situation before meeting up with anybody else. But yeah, like I said, I didn't, I didn't know until the next day when he said,

you know, hey, sorry, I lied. I'm actually married. We're swingers. You know, she knows about everything. I understand if you don't want to talk to me again. But, you know, I hope that you'll at least hear me out. And yeah, like, I'll give you a call when I get off work. That was the text message I got. Wait, but before you fast forward after that, I just want to analyze this as part of things. Sure. So how did, that's a little fucked up, right? I think.

It's 100%. And like, so how did you initially feel? Like, he says that. Is that like a sucker punch to you? Because, like, you just fucked him in the car in the back of the seat. Yeah. No, absolutely. I, when we met and this, after this date.

Yeah. I thought, oh my God. like, this is the guy. You know, it was like, I mean, it was that great of a first date. Right. And when, when I got, and then after, you know, we hook up in the backseat of his car and we, you know, had to drive individually home. And he called me on the way home and we talked the entire way home and we talked until we

went to bed that night. Like, it was such a great night. And so then when he sent me that text message the next day that just said, hey, yeah. Oh, my God. here's the deal. I was, I was devastated. I mean, and that's like not even an exaggeration. I was devastated. Of course, because here you are a girl on a dating app, a woman, right? You're 40, you're single. So you're looking most likely on that dating app, not just for a fuck buddy. He's in your age range. You're thinking, I want a relationship. You have the best date ever. So in your girl mind, this is

how all girls are, me included, every other girl listening, you're like, oh, this is my guy. This is the one I'm going to be with. Everything is so perfect. You know, all the stars aligned, that's hard to find. It's not easy for anybody, I think, to find that person that you have that great first date where everything lines up and everything clicks. And it did with him to the point where you did fuck him in the back seat. Like, no, let me ask you this because everybody has different rules and regulations. And I'm like, oh, you know, how did it wind up that you guys fucked in the car?

Like were you at a bar or did you have dinner together and then you went in the car? Yeah, so we had met up just to have a quick drink at a, we were at a restaurant that had a bar attached to it. So we were sitting at the bar and we, you know, having a drink and then, you know, we just kind of clicked. And so then we ordered some food and we had a couple more drinks. And, yeah, so we ended up being there for hours. Yeah. And then, yeah, we walked out to the parking lot to head home and kind of started, making out and then, yeah, and then ended up in the backseat.

Right, and you went all the way, totally had sex with them. Did you use a condom? I just have to ask. Yes, that, yeah, that time we did. Okay. So you wind up in the back seat. It's just hot and heavy. You just get taken with it and it's so great and the chemistry is there that you bang him.

In the back seat, he's texting you. And like you said, this is, you struck gold because here he is. It's not like he just like blew you up. He's now he's texting you. He's like, right? right the sex was great yeah yes so yeah and you know yeah and then when i went to bed that night i knew he had to work the next morning so you know we had talked on the phone the way all the way home you know and until we went gone bed and then he said he would text me the next day when when

he got off work which is when he sent me that the text that said you know hey sorry oh my god yeah and and included in that text was he And actually now I have to work overtime. So I'm not going to be able to, you know, call until after six. And so I had to sit there for about five or six hours sitting on this text message. Yeah, that was the second thing that I thought was like fucked up. And that's very, you know, guy like behavior. Sorry, guy.

Okay, I'll yell at me. But you know you do it. Okay. I once was told very bad news from a guy that I was with. It was like probably the worst news I could have got. And he told, he was like, meet me at Starbucks. And I'm like, this is a little weird. because he doesn't drink coffee, right?

And then we meet at Starbucks, and he's like, let's go for a walk. There's literally a blizzard outside, a blizzard outside of New York City, like stage four blizzard, like stay home. We're walking. And then he tells me the worst news I've ever heard. I'm like, why the fuck are you telling me this out here? And you know why they're doing that because they're so afraid of the confrontation that they do whatever they can to not have it.

I was like, that's bullshit. And that's what that guy did. That's why he sent you that text because he's like, okay, she's going to freak out when I tell her. So let her freak out and give her five hours before. So by the time I talked to her, I could hopefully clean up this mess. They're so obvious.

Exactly. All right. Yes. Well, it does work because he did get you back. So, okay, so five hours goes by. Now, let me ask you this, typical girl question. Did you had you, like, texted your friends and been like, oh, my God, I had the best date with this guy.

Then now you have to tell him that, like, the next day he texted you. like, did anyone go on this ride with you, or did you keep this all yourself to yourself? No, at this point, I had not, I had not talked to anybody about the date. Okay. At that point. Okay. Yeah. Okay, so it's a big secret.

You know, now you're sucker punched. He tells you you're waiting five hours and then what happens. Yeah. So then, you know, he had said, hey, I'll give you a call when I get off work. You know, if you answer, great and we'll talk. If you don't, I understand, and, you know, I'll leave you alone. and so I by the time he called me I answered but you know how like sometimes you're just you had almost I had almost so many questions and so many things I wanted to say you don't really

know even where to start mm-hmm like that's that's how I felt yeah I just didn't even know where to begin and and so yeah he called and just said I'm sure you know you're mad which obviously I was mad and and then he just kind of let me know how their relationship works. And I had never, I'd probably met people who were swingers or who were at least sort of in the periphery of a lifestyle like that, but just didn't know it. So he was the first person I ever had really spoken to who was a part of any lifestyle that wasn't just this sort of monogamous thing that I expected everyone did. And so, you know, he kind of let me know how their relationship works. And he clarified some statements he had made.

on our date, you know, like, I knew he had been involved in the lifestyle previous and, like, a previous relationship. I did not know, obviously, that he was currently involved. And so, yeah, he, you know, basically the way that it works for the two of them is they play together, but they also play separately. So when they opened up their relationship, he had been in the relationship, or he had been in the lifestyle before, and she had not been. And so when they opened up their relationship and kind of started experimenting together, what worked for her was to have more long-term people on the side that she hung out with and hooked up with.

And then he had never really had a situation like that. He preferred to have people that were just sort of casual connections that didn't like stick around too terribly long. And then when they actually moved closer to where I live from down. in Southern California up to NorCal, and that's when I met them. And so I think he was kind of thinking along those same lines that it would be, it would end up being this more casual short-term connection. And after we, you know, talked a little bit more and I, you know, kind of got over the initial

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Join Bluechew's mission to upgrade humanity one thrust at a time. Head to Bluetooth.com for details and safety info and big thanks to Bluetooth for sponsoring the podcast. And so I think he was kind of thinking along those same lines that it would be, it would end up being this more casual short-term connection. And after we, you know, talked a little bit more and I, you know, kind of got over the initial anger that I was feeling. Yeah, we've been, you know, hooking up or whatever for a little over two years now. Okay, but before you get to the end of the story, let's stick it where it is right now. So he tells you, you know, when you start out that conversation, you're really mad. Did he give you a reason why he didn't tell you?

I mean, it's like a classic bait and switch. I mean, but did he tell you, like, did he explain why? What was his reasoning? His reasoning was because he didn't think that I would have met him, you know, I would have never met him in person, which would have been true. You know, like, I had never considered anything outside of a monogamous relationship before, ever. So, yeah, I definitely would not have met up with him. So he felt like instead of doing what I think typical people would do in the lifestyle,

which is, like, put an ad out within that community so people know exactly what they're getting. He went out, did a bait and switch, and it worked. It did eventually, yeah. So, you know, when you say eventually, how long do you have... that conversation for you must have had a million questions about the wife now that you know that she's around and how do you deal with your jealousy if there ever was any that would come up about her and him I you know I'm just you know you've been with him for two years so I wonder do you eventually feel feelings from you know now I have a million questions so when when he

started when he explained the situation one of my initial thoughts was, are you just saying this? Is this just some elaborate stories so that I'm... Exactly. Yeah, so that I'm like, okay, never mind. I'm not interested. Like, if you didn't have a great time yesterday, just tell me you don't have to come up with this huge excuse

as to like why things are going to work. I don't know. No, no, I would have thought that I also would think. Right? Well, no, I don't get, I get that angle. That's a little paranoid. Yeah. But that he's making this all up just to get out of the day with you.

No, the other angle I would think as a suspicious person, You know, I would think maybe he's lying and his wife doesn't know, but he's telling, you know, he's letting me slowly. He's like, the bait and switch is going to go on, whereas he's, I'm never going to meet that wife. And, you know, and he's going to just tell me he has one. So it relieves his guilt a little bit, but she doesn't really know about it, but he's telling me she does. You see what I'm saying? No, I could totally see that too. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, like that's what I thought was maybe, that would have been my first instinct. because so I would like wonder how soon after you guys agree to keep seeing each other, do you meet the wife and, you know, how do you get to know more about her? So we met about a month later. So but when he first told me and kind of laid out the parameters of like how I would fit into that situation, I was not interested. You know, because again, for me, a goal was that I wanted. to at some point get married and I wanted to meet my person. And I couldn't see how that, how being in

this relationship with him got me to that point. Of course. Because when push comes to shove, she has veto power. So she could decide at any time that, you know, she didn't want him to see me anymore or that it wasn't going to work. And, and so our connection was kind of at her mercy. And that kind of made me uncomfortable as well. And then there was no end. There was no, like, we couldn't be anything more than just friends who hook up. No, to me that's actually worse because there is an end. That's more of something that actually does have an end.

The end is you could only go to this place. There's like a ceiling and you can't go. And that's hard to do because with emotions, there is, you can't really put a lock and key on those to a certain point. That's why, you know, I can't wait until the story goes further because you're doing this for two years. So you must have gone through so much. So keep going.

Right. So we decided that night that I was not, I was not interested. Yeah. And I didn't hear from him for a couple of days. And maybe four or five days later. He reached out one day and said, you know, I get it. I understand why you're mad. Like, I'm not.

I don't hold it against. you, I don't blame you. That was totally on me. But could you at least just think more about it? You know we get along. We had a great time. The sex was great. Can we try to at least see where this goes? And I wasn't, you know, I wasn't super open to it at the time. But since I had talked to him, you know, earlier that week, I had done a lot more reading about how this works for couples and swingers and what it looks like to be non-monogamous and how that works for different people. And it was eye-opening to me because, again, like I said, I didn't know anybody in this lifestyle or who had even dabbled in this lifestyle.

So, yeah, I had learned a little bit more where it was at least a little more open, I guess. Yeah. I wasn't just literally like, no, this is never going to happen ever. so we talked a little bit more and agreed to meet up again and this guy let me tell you he must have I don't know if you give really good head or he smelled like or he's a very much an opportunist like there's it's interesting that you know even though you were like no way he still came back you know he's a little like boundary list but you know but like I said there's a lot of things that could be going on at play.

You know, he might have, like I said, felt like there was a slight chance and he's going to, you know, go after that. And he, listen, he was correct because you did wind up with him. So, you know, he knew. But, I mean, he does have balls considering, you know, how this played out in the beginning. That's all I'm going to say. And it's going to be so interesting on YouTube, the comments.

This one's going to get. I like it. It's going to be very, you know, heated. because I think a lot of people are going to be like, wow, that guy's really fucked up. But, you know, we're going to hear the good thing about what I do on my show and what I like is that we're going to hear the whole story. So it doesn't just end here. You do wind up having a relationship. So I would hope by the end of this, he's going to redeem himself.

But at this point, he's really pushy. Well, and I think part of why he approached it again is because throughout us getting to know each other, throughout the conversations, even, you know, that night that we met at the bar, he knew that I wasn't super vanilla when it came to sex. I had, I've had some experiences that are maybe not quite the norm for everybody. Like what? And so I was like, oh gosh, like I've been to sex clubs and had, you know, room full of people watching. Oh, okay, stop. You've left that out of this whole conversation and you make me go down this whole analysis that doesn't mean shit. That's the

reason why he was pushing it. Because it turned out that even though he didn't meet you on a lifestyle and he didn't put that out, you guys smelled each other from a mile away and you kind of are in the lifestyle. Silly. Well, I have never, like I said, to me, the goal was always a monogamous relationship.

I get it. Of course. Listen, just because you have done those things doesn't mean, I mean, listen to the matter of you, that you're not looking for a relationship or you're not worthy or, you know, you don't also, you know, that's a totally separate thing, but that does, that is very, and this is why I have to ask a million questions, because that is very important to this scenario. It does make him appear different. Like I said, before, without that information, the way you presented yourself as like, before this, I had only been so vanilla and I never did any,

I mean, you did kind of put your set out there, you know, and I was, I never knew anyone in the lifestyle. I was, you know, I probably maybe did meet people, but I never knew anyone. This is what you say. Okay. And then I, and then I start to think like, this guy's got like, he's a little boundaryless because he's like pushing and that's kind of fucked up and people are going to go off on him because and he lied at first and he said, but now you're telling me that you explained all this stuff that you did sexually like go to Swingers's Cous and all these things. So that does make sense of why he would have, like I said, been like an opportunity. tunist and got in there because he's like, oh, this girl is in this world a little bit and has

this kind of experience. So if anyone's going to be down, it's her. Yeah. No, definitely. Like, I'm not, I'm not closed-minded when it came to sexual experiences. You know, I've, like I said, I've kind of experimented and explored a lot. But, you know, when we met, but when we met, that was kind of the goal was this was a relationship that was going to turn into something. No, no, no, listen, one doesn't take away from the other. They have nothing to do with it. Of course, at all. Like, just because you're in the lifestyle or try these things, I don't care if you had gangbangs with 10 guys. It doesn't mean that you don't want a relationship at some point in your life. Okay, you can even be in a relationship doing those things. But you did, but you, but you having all those kinds that passed

and telling him about it on the first date and putting that out there, does explain and give him, like, you know, I think people will say less about him with that information than without that, you know, why he would keep pursuing something, you know. So what are the things before we go forward with us, because I love this story already, and I love even all of this, you know, because it just makes it even more interesting. What is your backstory on the swingers, clubs and stuff? Like, give me a little information on that. stuff. What did you tell him that first date that you've done? Well, so to kind of give you some

context, when I'm growing up, we, I had no understanding of sex just in general. I mean, like, I need a basics. But my family, super conservative, we didn't talk about sex, we didn't joke about sex. Like, I didn't have a smartphone where I could just kind of look stuff up and figure things out. And so really, up through my early 20s, I did not know any. You know, I had had sex with just kind of a handful of people, and it was very boring, and I didn't know any different until I met. I met this guy that I worked with, and he was very, very, he was older than me. He was about 20 years old than me. I was like 21 at the time, and we met, and he was super patient about trying to help me figure out what I liked, because, well, we, we were kind of making out, and he goes, well, you know, what kind of stuff do you like?

and I'm like, I don't know, just like, whatever. Like, I just, I really didn't know. And he's like, no, what gets you off? And I'm like, what do you mean? Like, up until that point, I had never experienced an orgasm. And I didn't realize because things felt good, but I didn't realize how much better they could be until I met this guy. And he was just like, yeah, that's, it's not going to work.

You're just saying like, oh, you just do whatever. So the two of us hooked up quite a few times. and he was like super patient with like teaching me different things and like opening my eyes to all these different things that existed that I had never people had you know gone down on me before and it was terrible because I'm like hooking up with you know 19 and 20 year olds who also don't know what the heck they're doing yeah so being with this much more experienced guy totally eye-opening like he was probably the best thing that happened to me in terms of like figuring out what I like when it comes to sex.

Yeah. And, but then I got engaged when I was in my early 20s and the sex was terrible. It was super boring. But I thought, well, I'm willing to give up great sex because this guy was a really great guy. Yeah, yeah. And when that didn't work out, it was, uh, it was pretty traumatizing. It was a pretty bad breakup.

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You know, and then after that breakup, you know, I was posting ads on Craigslist and, like, hooking up with random people at bars. What were you looking for on Craigslist? I might have seen your out. Oh, my gosh. Sometimes it was just randomly meeting up with someone for sex. The craziest experience I had, I had posted that I was looking for a threesome with two men. Mm-hmm.

And I preferred that the two men knew each other just because that, you know, I thought would make things less awkward. But I had talked a little bit more to these two guys. They didn't know each other. We set something up. and now looking back knowing what I know now, one of those men definitely could be a cuck or probably has a partner somewhere who is, you know,

where that is his role, is he is a cuck. And because when we met up that night, he got there a little early. We were chit-chatting, you know, having a couple drinks. We had started to play a little bit. A second guy got there.

So added him in, have a few more drinks. the three of us are playing and then pretty soon guy number one just kind of totally took a back seat and watched the entire thing and kept asking questions like is he bigger than me does it feel better with him like tell me how good it feels compare his dick my dick you know that kind of stuff and i was thinking like oh jesus like i didn't realize that people that he anybody would care that especially a man would want to be compared to another man yeah yeah you know but now knowing what i know that makes total sense, that that is something that people love and get off on.

But yeah, it was, it was a, you don't realize that he wants to hear that the other guy has a bigger dick than him, which is something that you never tell a guy, right? No. Yeah. No. And, you know, I met up a, I met up with a guy who, we met, we met a couple of times, met for drink. we had hooked up once and then one day we're just chatting on the phone and he goes have you ever like like like paid any attention to like submissive do you think you're submissive does that you know have you

talked about that you know what i didn't even know what he was talking about this idea of being submissive and the more we talked about it and the more than of course like me trying to read and learn as much as i could about it made total sense and so kind of explored this sort of dom sub you know, exchange with him a little bit more and have done that now much more since because, you know, being a submissive is where I feel most comfortable. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, having those experiences with him that kind of really opened my eyes to where I felt most comfortable and most willing to kind of, you know, just try different things and experience different things. and then I had gone to, I had mentioned like going to the sex club.

That's when I was much older. I had actually been to that sex club earlier in my lifetime as a, when we were at a bachelorette party. Before I was ever engaged, we were like I was maybe 22 or 23, went to this club and watched a man tie up a woman on a sex wing with like, you know the old telephone cord that was like curly, you kind of telephone? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. He was tying her up with that curly cue telephone cord, and she was, you know, blindfolded and had it a ball gag. And I remember just being fascinated by that. And, you know, I ended up at, you know, telling this guy that he's a dumb. I ended up telling him about it. And he's like, oh, well, then let's try it. And that was like the first experience I had being restrained in any way. So, yeah, I had a, you know, my late 20s into my 30s.

was kind of full of some experimentation like that. Right. And so some of it went down on Craigslist, like those two guys. Did you ever do more than that on Craigslist? Or was that the most guys at one time? You know, randomly, no, just two. Yeah.

I never know with you. I'm sorry, but like I got to ask the questions because I don't know what's coming out of your bag. I mean, it's like a surprise. You would have missed all this stuff if I didn't ask the right questions and quote unquote interrupt you. I'm so glad I did. no words

yeah so no but that was it like normally I'd use Craigslist just to kind of hook up with you know or meet up with someone and yeah but two people two men that was the most yeah but let me ask you this did any of your girlfriends know that you were doing this stuff was this like a secret life that you were living

that you know your friends would have been surprised that you were doing this stuff probably so no I don't have I have a friend now who knows about the situation I'm in currently. Yeah. But of, like, my girlfriends, they're, you know, married with younger children and they didn't, this, yeah, this would have been shocking to them, I think.

Right. So you were doing this stuff on, because I would, listen, I would think most people you wouldn't tell your friends because a lot of girls, like your girlfriends would have been very judgy. Even you said, you had that feeling like if your numbers went in the double digits, you would be considered a whore. That's your own judgment, right? So, of course, it's hard to tell your.

girlfriend's like, hey, I'm posting ads on Craigslist and just hooking up with random dudes, you know, your girlfriend's going to be like, what the fuck? So I was assuming that you kept this all a secret, but when you meet this guy in the bar that night, who brings up these kinds? Is it like, you know, you're just drunk talking and the more you get drunk, you're loosening up? Like, how does this stuff come out that you wind up telling him this stuff? So he had mentioned that he had been a part of the Swinger's lifestyle prior. Right.

Oh, right, right. Yeah. Yeah. So he had been in a relationship before with an older woman. They had been in a lifestyle for quite some time. That relationship had ended a couple of years before. Yeah. And so he just kind of said, you know, what do you think about that?

Is that ever something that you would be open to? And I was super honest at the time and just said, you know, I don't think that's for me. I don't know. I don't really know what that would look like. You know, my concern is how would I navigate my emotions through that situation. So, but then that kind of opened the door to us talking about other experiences that we had had. So he knew that I wasn't necessarily open to being a swinger, but that I wasn't super vanilla when it came to sex. Right.

You had been to a swinger's club more, more than one. You told him about that kind of stuff. Well, he didn't know. He did not know that I had been to a swingers club because sometimes I was, you know, I'm a little afraid to like share too much. Yeah. I did tell him I had gone to the club and just watched. I did not tell him that I had gone to a club, the same club later and actually hooked up with someone. Yeah.

One other situation that I used to date this guy that was in the military and he moved. He got restationed somewhere else. so he wasn't as close to me. And we would set up video calls so that he could call in and I would have another guy over and he would just watch us, you know, at my apartment. I didn't thought about that. Oh, my God, I love you. You're so hilarious.

Oh, by the way, I forgot about this one, you know. I didn't. Yeah, so he would, you know, occasionally say, hey, I'm free this weekend. Can you find somebody? So, yeah, I would use Craigslist. for that as well. Okay, so wait a second. I love these little naughty things. So you bring a guy over. He's like on a webcam. He's like watching through your computer. Does the other guy know or does he not know? Yes. So on Craigslist, I would say, hey, my friend wants to watch over webcam. He's not going to be in the room.

But, you know, the computer will be set up so that he can watch. You know, if you're down with that, hit me up. And yeah, it was not hard to find people who were into it. Of course not. I think it would be a lot harder if you were the guy trying to find the girl that would be down for that. But as the female, I think it's always easier. And that's probably, that's also why, you know, your guy came chasing after you because it's hard to find that female that's going to join in, you know, as the unicorn. That's why they call it the unicorn. But wait back to that little scenario. So, you know, how many times did you do that about, you know, bring the guy home for that guy? Oh, you know, like three or four times. And was it hot to you? Did you enjoy having your guy watch you? Like, were you into that?

Did you do it more for him? Or was it a turn on to you too? Oh, it was definitely a turn on for me too. Kind of being an exhibitionist, you know, with something I didn't necessarily realize I liked. But as I've kind of experimented a little more and put myself out there a little bit more, definitely enjoy, I enjoy being watched. Yeah.

So that was, you know, obviously he enjoyed it, but then, yeah, it was definitely fun for me as well. Right. Okay. So did you tell them about these experiences? You told them about some of this stuff? I told him about some of this stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

And definitely talked to him about feeling more comfortable, you know, as like a sort of a more submissive partner when it came to sex. And he's definitely on the DOM end of that spectrum. Yeah. So, yeah, we, you know, there was a lot of things that. definitely we were on the same page about. You know, neither one of us is super close-minded when it comes to sex or anything like that. So, yeah, when he hit me up again a couple of days after that initial text message,

that I think he knew that maybe he could. He hadn't in. Yeah, yeah, totally. So, well, no, he, you know, you, there were some similarities. You weren't totally like, oh, my God, no fucking way. you guys obviously had good sex in the back car that time. There was that instant connection. I think a lot of times when you feel that chemistry with somebody,

it's going both ways or else it wouldn't totally be there. So he obviously felt it too. Now, how do you go from you not being interested in it to you winding up seeing him again that next time? So, you know, we talked a little bit more. You know, he called me about four or five days later. and we talked a couple, you know, for a few days in a row and agreed to get together the next weekend. So it was about two weeks later from, you know, from that first time that we met.

And we went to dinner and got a hotel room and it was, you know, even better the second time around. Yeah. Well, now it's like loaded and now it's like if you're going to be into it, the whole scenario you could get in. if you're going to go there, right? And you're something, that could be a real turn on to somebody if you're open to it. Yes. Well, and, you know, the two weeks in between, we really did spend a lot of time talking about, he answered all my questions.

And obviously, after that initial him not being very forthcoming, he was super open to answering whatever questions I had and explaining how things worked and what stuff meant that I would come across when I would read things on the internet and that kind of thing. So super helpful and obviously having a lot of questions about how does his wife factor into this? You know, how would she, what is her role in all of this? How does that normally work? And really, this is kind of a new situation for him to navigate as well because he had not tried to find somebody in this way before. Typically, he would meet people at, you know, parties or they had a whole group of friends in Southern California that they spent time with. So he didn't have to try to go out and actively meet these new people, right?

He met people that were already in the lifestyle. So this was kind of new for him to navigate, and I don't know. It was, I think it was good for both of us because it forced him to really stop and think about their rules and how I fit into that. and he had to be pretty open with me about it because, again, this was all brand new for me. But also for him on some level because he was, this is not going to be a one-off. This was now you guys are sort of negotiating a relationship moving forward, something more than just a one-time deal. Like how could you like this work for a while? Yeah.

Yeah. And I don't know if either one of us thought it would last as long as it has. but yeah I we both I think both of us recognized it yeah it wasn't just going to be kind of a a one-time kid yeah because like listen what are you gonna you know who's gonna be talking all that kind of nonsense with each other for all those hours and going through all the rules and regulations for another one time you know hence like you guys were setting up an arrangement quote unquote like you said yeah you didn't realize it's going to be two years later but you're it's obvious that it's going to be for a while

or I don't think you would have like signed up for it. I think, you know, it was like maybe that's what was intriguing about it to besides the good sex. It was going to give you more than less than maybe what you went in there, but more than what you thought of after that initial text. Yeah. Well, and he was always very upfront about saying, like, I'm never going to ask you to stop trying to date other people. I'm not going to ask you to not see other people. Yeah. If you meet somebody and that's, you know, when you think there's something there,

all you have to do is tell me. And I'm not going to, I'm not going to make a stink about it. I'm not going to tell you, no, don't leave me. I know that if you find somebody, then great. And I'm going to be happy for you. So it wasn't like it was placing any restrictions on me either, which was, which was nice. Yeah. So when does the wife come into the picture as far as, like, you meeting her or her watching

you guys have sex or like, what goes down? and, you know, once you guys are like a threesome? So we met up a couple of times the same kind of way where we would just get a hotel room and, you know, spend the night. And it happened like that for maybe three weeks. And then we were together one night and he said, you know, hey, next time we get together, you should come to my place. My wife will be there.

And you guys can meet and we'll sort of see how things go. and what do you think? And I mean, I was, I was a nervous wreck because as much as I had heard about her, as much as, you know, we had talked about the situation and what that would really look like, the reality of it terrified me in a way because, you know, what is she going to think of me? Like, I was super concerned about, like, was she going to like me? You know, like I just want it to be weird, especially if we were ever going to see each other again or, you know, hang out. I didn't, I just, I wanted her to, to like me enough so that it wasn't like this awkward thing if the three of us, you know, we're around each other. So, right. Yeah.

So I went down to their place and we, I think we were watching like Monday night football or something, which kind of, there was something to watch, something to kind of talk about. He made dinner. We all kind of hung out. And she's like, totally, we really get along now. So she and I have hung out together without him now. So, yeah. So we, yeah, we got along. And the first thing I texted when I left his house that night was like, what did you think?

Like, did she like me, you know, kind of thing. And yeah. So, and we, yeah. But that first night, you know, when I got there, I was, I was, super nervous and I didn't know really what to expect in terms of what would happen that night. Yeah, sexually speaking, right? Because that's what I'm curious about, like, did that go down or, you know, what happened? Yeah, so we were, you know, watching the football game and hanging out and eating dinner.

And then he pulls out his dick and he says, you know, hey, suck me off. And I kind of looked at him like, I mean, is this really happening? And he was like... This is in the kitchen? With his wife there? So we were all sitting on the couch. Okay, okay, yeah. And all sitting on the couch and, uh, so actually the two of us, he and I were sitting

on the couch and he was kind of sitting on this left seat. And he pulls it out and says, you know, basically suck me off. And I kind of looked at him like, is this really happening? And he said, you know, don't make me ask you twice. Because, you know, again, it's definitely when it comes to sex for the two of us, there is definitely this kind of, you know, power exchange that I really enjoy it. But at the time, I was kind of like feeling very resistant because, again, I'm still

super nervous about her being right there. And he's like, she's fine with it, let just don't even think about it. And yeah, so I started giving him head on the couch and she was watching. And when he ended up bending me over the couch, so that basically I was facing her, you know, and was doing me from behind. And, yeah, she took some pictures and some video. And, yeah, so that was the first night we met.

Yeah. And she doesn't ever join in, or does she just typically watch and, like, play with herself? I mean, like, what is she? And I'm sure they have, like, great sex after you leave or have you ever seen them have sex together after? Yeah. So, let's see, maybe for, like, the first six months.

the three of us would hang out. And, like, you know, sometimes I would go down there or we would get together and we didn't have sex. Yeah. But typically he and I hook up. And mostly she just watched initially. Since then, like, we've interacted in kind of, like, very PG ways. You know, like, she's, like, played with my hair, like, rubbed my back while he and I are together. She's, like, you know, if he's, like, behind me, she's, like, grabbing my ass cheeks.

and kind of like holding me a little bit. Like we've given her a massage together. I've, you know, he's been going, he's going down on her before and I've been playing with her tits, but, but nothing passed, nothing more than that between she and I. And I have seen them together, but only in, in the context of all three of us. So like for his birthday one year, we gave him a blowjob together. And, yeah, he, he fucked both of us. that night while I was there.

But that doesn't happen often. Right. Most of the time it's her watching you with her husband. She's probably like a cuck queen. That's a new thing on my show. All of a sudden I have a lot of cuck queens on. Because she likes to see her guy with somebody else. She does, yeah. And did you like seeing him?

Maybe the submissive person in you is into that kind of? I don't know. the first time that I saw him with her, or the first time I watched them together, it was a weird, it was weird. Like, you know, again, as much as I knew that they're married, they're obviously having sex with each other and also with other people. Yeah.

You know, so it wasn't like I didn't know this, but the first time I saw it, it was a, it was a strange experience, you know, just to kind of have to tell myself, like, you knew that this is happening. Yeah. They're, you know, they're married. It doesn't. And I think a lot of it was just reminding myself that we, this isn't a new thing. He's not going to, he's not, like, not hanging out with you or not fucking you just because his wife is here.

Like, this all works. And so, yeah, there was, like, that initial kind of weird, emotional kind of, like, that uncomfortable feeling. But, but, yeah, no, it hasn't been. problematic really since then. But was it, did it, when you got past that, was, is it a turn on though for you as well? In some ways, yeah. Like, I, I appreciate watching him because he's, he's very good and I can tell that she enjoys it. Yeah.

But it wouldn't necessarily be, you know, it's not high on my list of things that turn me on. Right, right, right. But how about you having her watch you? Oh, I love that. Right. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Right.

So you get into being. So you guys are all perfectly suited for each other, for sure. And they're very lucky. Yeah. You know, it has, like I said, I don't think that any of us thought it would be two years later and we'd still be hanging out. But yeah, it's worked out pretty well. Well, listen, I don't know where you live, but that stupid thing called COVID happened. So I don't know if that played into, you know, you guys being so lucky that you had this little arrangement, you know,

and it kept it going. But let me ask you this. In that two years, since you have been able to go out and meet people, have you? Yeah, yeah. So I met someone about six months after I started this kind of relationship with them. And initially,

he thought that he was okay with it. Because, again, like I try to be open, because at this point now, I don't know if monogamous is something I could really do. Like if I met someone and they were just like, no, it has to be this monogamous relationship. I don't know if I could ever really do that at this point. And so I met someone about six months later that I was pretty, I was super into, and I explained this kind of situation and, you know, here's how this works.

And are you okay with that? And he said, yeah, totally. Like I'm definitely, definitely okay with it. And it turns out he was definitely not okay with it. Oh, he wanted to be okay with it, but he wasn't. And he never came out and said that that was the problem. Instead, he would just pick fights about crazy stuff that didn't have anything to do with this non-monogamous situation. But when push came to shove, that was really what it came down to.

Yeah. He might not listen. I have to say a lot of times, I remember just spending a lot of years of my life thinking guys were just such fucking liars, you know, because it was just so obvious where their feelings or their sabotage

or their fighting words came from, yet they would deny it forever. And I'm like, you know, and then I read this book or this theory and it really changed my mind. And it talked about how like a lot of times what happens with men, right? You have a baby,

you have a boy or a girl. both come out crying, but somewhere along the line, boys stop crying and girls don't, you know, and they, and so, and what happens is that boys aren't allowed to have feelings at a certain point in their life, they get cut off. So they stop talking about their feelings and they lose that attachment to them. So when a guy tells you that he doesn't know why he feels that way or he's not doing it for that reason, he, that's, he knows, that's what he believes because he doesn't have a fucking direct line to it. He doesn't know that that's where it's coming from. So he's, He's not lying because you're a woman and you've been attached to your feelings and you can make

those connections and figure that out and see it for what it is. But a guy can't because they have lost that attachment of where that comes. So they act out on their feelings and we see it so clearly. But when they say that's not why I'm acting that way, they're not fucking lying. They really don't know. And when I learned that, it really changed my whole view of things. So that guy, it wasn't like he's sitting at home. knowing that it's this reason, but I'm just not going to tell her.

You know, he's just acting out and it's because it's happening subconsciously and he doesn't really know. He can't put that together. He cannot put that into words for you because he hasn't been able to put his feelings into words since he was little and his dad told him to stop fucking crying. And his mother said, you know, you're a boy. Don't do that. So that's why guys are that way.

So, you know, that makes sense. He probably, yes, you're right. it was for that, but he probably couldn't really come out and put that together because that's the way guys are. Sorry about my rant, but, you know, it's important. And it's interesting. I mean, I think that that's like, I don't know why that's not really out there. I had to dig deep to find that guy, that famous therapist that talks about this, but it is really true and it really explains a lot with guys, I think. So anyway, so you're currently with them. You have this relationship. You're 40 now. Now, how does your future look?

Like when, would you love to meet a guy, have your primary relationship maybe be with another guy, and then keep this relationship going and have that person be open to it? I mean, that would be the ideal. Yeah. You know, because, and we've talked about that before he and I and his wife. And it would be awesome to meet somebody who they got a long way. Yeah. And we could, we could hang out and, you know, spend time together.

that would be like the dream. But yeah, I would definitely like to find a primary relationship that, you know, allowed me to still kind of keep this connection. Yeah. Now, and so how do you feel about him and her as far as, like, have you been able to see him for all this time and not fall for him or have you fallen for him and still been okay with the situation because everyone's like super open and honest about it? because I think a lot of people that haven't experienced a relationship like this,

or quote unquote, you know, would be like how could you deal emotionally and maybe it's different when you're in it, that you can manage it and stuff because everybody's so up front. Like, do you feel like you really care about him? Oh, definitely. And he and I have talked about that too, where we definitely care about each other.

Yeah. Within the sort of confines of how, you know, of this situation. You know, like, I know where we stand. You know, I know how I fit in. But that doesn't mean that I can't genuinely care about him more than just like some random friend that I chat with occasionally. You know, definitely I care. I care a lot about him. And he said that, too, that he cares more about me than he expected to at the beginning.

But again, it's not any kind of emotion that threatens. what they have, if that makes sense. Right. And it doesn't make you, and their relationship doesn't threaten you either. Like, you feel secure as well. Because I think it's important.

You know, I never heard or had somebody speak on the unicorn's perspective of things. Until I had Lola Jean on, she was like an expert, but she talked about how she was being the third person in a couple's relationship. But she felt a lot of times, like her feelings weren't really considered. And it was a really,

interesting viewpoint that I had never heard of before because I'm typically talking to the couples or whatever and like even when you said like in this situation where you know she has the power so there you are kind of like the pawn I mean you could be axed out whenever you're at their her mercy and I think like she talked about how those kinds of things for her didn't sit well and I think for some people it wouldn't so it is a little you know you have the most insecure position, but you've been doing this for two years, and I'm assuming that you feel secure in that relationship, and that's what's interesting to hear to me. Yeah, well, and definitely, and I think, too, that we've had, we've come, you know, we've had issues before.

Like, we've gotten arguments before, but it didn't really have anything to do with the two of them so much as it was just kind of, I felt like I was left out of, communication. The two of them are so good about communicating with each other. That's what this girl talked about. Yeah. Yeah. That Austin, I shouldn't say Austin, but occasionally I have felt like he didn't communicate with me. Yeah. Yeah. And we've, as, you know, he and I have hooked up with other people, you know, together and we, yeah. And then we, you know, it had another single guy over once. It was the four of us together.

And those kinds of situations were, I think, harder to navigate, where it was, like, people that weren't her because the two of them reconnect and they talk about it, but I didn't necessarily have that kind of reconnection sort of conversation. And that has caused the most issues. Right. Where, so, yeah, but, I mean, we went through a time where we stopped even talking. I just said, you know, I think I'm done. Like I had reached a point where I thought,

this isn't for me any longer. And we didn't talk probably for about a month or so. And he reached out to me. I actually happened to be on a date and he called me. And I didn't pick up right away and he, you know, sent me a text message that just said, hey, you know, I get it if you are screening your calls and you don't want to see me. But, you know, I miss you. I wish we could chat. And, you know, we talked and I was able to kind of explain why I was that frustrated to end things. And, you know, things had been a lot better, a lot better since then. Right. So real quick, before we go, okay, you just threw another thing out there that, like, you have had a third people involved.

So it's always been another guy. And with you and him, correct? Okay. So, no, actually in both situations, it was the two of them and me, and we brought in another single guy, so the four of us kind of played together. That was actually somebody that she had played with before, that they had experience with. And so when he actually lives out of state, he just happened to be here on business. And they had talked a little bit through a website, set something up, that his wife, then this guy hooked up.

And so the next time he was, well, actually, they hooked up. It was great. I ended up going to that guy's state for like a little mini vacation. And she told me the wife said, hey, here's this guy's number. I'm going to let him know that you're going to be in his area. You should definitely reach out, see if you can't hook up with him on your trip. And so I hit the guy up and he was like, oh, great. I was hoping you would reach out.

Anyway, we didn't connect then because he was somewhere else for business. So we didn't hook up then. But the next time he came to California, they invited him over. And I joined. And the four of us, yeah, I spent some time together. That was fun. Right. So it was always the third person was always involved with you and him when she was there.

Never that was solo with him. Yeah. So he, no. So we have not ever just he and I and another. You know, like a, yeah, but, well, but we have had it, but he and I have met up with another couple. So that they had hooked up with before, he and I then met up with this couple a little bit later, and the four of us hung out. So, yeah, hang out, hang out is, I mean, like code for sex, right? Yeah, so we played together, yeah.

Yeah. So, wait, so what went down in that? Was it like a full swap or, I mean? So he really wanted, so the husband, he really wanted to watch me and this couple because the wife of that couple is by. Yeah. And he, at this point, like I said, outside of the very kind of PG-rated interactions with his wife, I have never had any kind of interactions with a female. And so he really wanted to watch her go down on me. and then her husband being involved.

And so, yeah, so that was kind of how that went. He didn't hook up with the female. They kind of played around a little bit, but the focus of that evening was myself and the other couple. Right. And how did you enjoy that your first time with the female? Oh, it was, I don't know what I was expected. I was kind of nervous, but it was a lot of fun.

She's super open. like, you know, she had no problem just sort of like, okay, no problem and taking off her clothes and like getting right down to business, you know, with another, with me. And I was kind of like, I don't know, like I've never navigated any of this. But because because she's so confident, it was kind of, it made it easier for me. And then her husband loves watching his wife with other women too. And so it, yeah, that was a lot of fun. but the two of them like he's he we have some videos of that too but at one point I'm like laying on the couch and her husband is on one side of me the wife is on the other side and they're both

playing with my tits and like rubbing my clit and kind of taking turns going down on me so yeah that was a definitely a fun experience and his wife wasn't there he was but there was videos of that and so his wife I guess gets those videos too there for her yeah She got to see that. And he'll, you know, sometimes she's not around when he and I get together, but he'll, you know, maybe he'll video call her so she can watch for a little bit or he'll just send pictures to kind of, so she can see what's going on. Right.

He definitely keeps her in the loop. Wow. What a story. Katie, Katie, Katie. I can't wait to hear what's next for you. I just think it's so funny how you started off this thing saying like, oh, I was just always into just like strictly anonymous. stuff and like oh you're so much more not that person you've done a lot your story was so fascinating

I love that I had to ask a million questions and get to it I love what I don't know and you didn't even know and all this stuff new because it's just like such a surprise so this was really like it's such a great episode and I love your story and I love your naivness and telling it it just added to it for me I swear I don't know why it's like opening up a president like oh there's another president here. What? I was like, I don't know. I feel like if I talked to you for another hour, I could have found out 10 more other things,

but you know, whatever. Thank you so much for calling in. This was like really a great story. I don't know what I'm going to title it, but it is going to air A's up. Let me ask you this before we go. A lot of people send me pictures for my Patreon. They're not, I don't do any X-rated pictures,

and they're anonymous pictures. but they could be sexy pictures. They always say R-rated. You know, and so people could see, kind of put something to the voice and the story. If you want to, would you be interested in sending me any pictures for my Patreon?

I could probably do that, yeah. Okay. So you'll send me pictures. I'll have those up on Patreon for people to see. Thank you so much. Katie, I keep forgetting your name. I'm always juggling,

like the real name, the fake name, the email name, you know? That is so funny. Thank you so much for this story. Katie, thank you for calling in and telling it. Thank you for having me.

Will that couple, let me ask you this, last question. Will you be telling that couple that you were on my show and let them listen to it, or is you're going to keep this a secret from that? I haven't decided yet. Yeah, interesting. Let me know. He knows that I discovered your podcast recently and he started listening to it as well. Oh, God, that he's going to know.

You have to tell him first. So I wonder, yeah, if, yeah, I'm going to, if, when it posts, because I don't want him to hear it and know it's me. You have not told him, yes, because it's going to be titled so perfectly that he's going to be like, wait a second, that's my situation. And then even though your voice is going to change, he's going to know it's so specific, your whole story. That's what I love about it. It's so not typical that he will definitely know. So, you know, I think you should tell him ahead of time. You don't have that long because I'm going to air it ASAP.

so get to it. He'll love it. Him and his wife will love it. It's all good. It's all good. And make sure to go to YouTube because everyone's going to be commenting. It's going to be a salacious thing. I will.

All right. Awesome. Thank you so much for calling in and send me those pecks. Thanks, Katie. Thanks. Bye. Bye-bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book,

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