Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1260 - Marco is in a Stag Vixen Marriage 

Episode Date: October 28, 2025

Marco is in a stag/ vixen marriage and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including his first open marriage and how that came about, how and why he always liked “flirtatious” women,” his new wife and the guy from the pool they started hanging out with and what started happening with him, their first “accidental” hook up and exactly what went down, how he felt about it and how his wife felt about it and why, the second time they had sex with he see guy and what went down, the second  guy they met and had a threesome with and what went down, the guy they met at a swingers club and why it didn’t work out, with him, when and how they eventually started creating rules and taking about things, how and why he is still trying to find a guy who will make him “jealous,” her dp experiences and how they’ve gone down, how and why he loves watching the videos of their hook ups and how and why the enjoys the reclaiming almost more then the threesomes plus a whole lot more. **To see HOT pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠   To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712   Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show" Have something quick you want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. You can call 24/7. All voices are changed.    Sponsors:  ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://brooklynbedding.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Use my promo code STRICTLY at checkout to get 30% off sitewide ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://vb.health⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To get 10% off Drive Boost by VB Health use code: STRICTLY ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://butterwellness.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Use the code “STRICTLY” at checkout for 20% off your entire order ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://uberlube.com/discount/Strictly⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Use code: STRICTLY for 10% off Uberlube aka the BEST Lube EVER ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Get your first month of the new Blewchew Max FREE! use code: STRICTLYANON ⁠⁠⁠https://beducate.me/pd2532-anonymous⁠⁠⁠⁠  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Use code: ANONYMOUS to get 50% off your yearly pass plus get a 14-day money-back guarantee To get $15 OFF your female oxytocin arousal tablets and more, use code STRICTLY here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://shamelesscare.sjv.io/xLQ3Jv⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow me! Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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But Marco's cool. Him and his wife were supposed to be on the call together. I know that because she was there and then she just decided to do a separate episode. Their story is super interesting. They're both with each other's second marriage. He did do some swinging with his first wife. And he talks a little bit about it. It was hard to get out details of his first marriage.

He didn't really want to go there. But there was some cheating involved. And then they did wind up getting involved in the lifestyle. They eventually divorced. He met his girl now, Erica. And he eventually started fantasizing about her being with another guy. They started fantasizing about it together. And then eventually they had their first experience, which was accidental.

And then from there it became intentional. And they went on an app and they've met a lot of guys. I think she's fucked like 14 other guys off the app and the one guy that they had the first experience. And he goes through all those experiences. She has done a lot like DP and stuff like that. And he's always involved. And at the end he throws in that he does videotape it and he loves that experience. But he still feels like even after all their experiences that something's a little missing.

He wants to feel a little bit more jealous in this situation. But he talks about what he loves about. the experience. And that's what's kind of interesting and different from the other stag or cucks that I've talked to. What he really focuses on and what really turns him on about these stories is something is not necessarily the actual sex. And he talks about that. I'm not going to give it all away in the intro. You're going to listen to a story. People, you might disagree with me. I'm curious of what the comments are going to be because like I said at some point I was like, oh, this is like such a bummer story. It doesn't sound like it's any fun. But I'm curious to see how

other people hear this story, if they hear it the way I do or not. I love when people disagree with me. So you're going to have to listen to David's story and make sure you comment. You can comment on Spotify, which I love. It's fun. Anyway, I'm going to get right to and be right back on with Marco. Hi, Marco. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you today? Hey, Kathy. How are you doing? I'm good. Listen, Marco, you are in a stag and vixen relationship for a couple of years now, right? Now, your wife's has been with a lot of dudes. Your wife was going to be on this call, but we all collectively decided she's going to call in separate. So I always leave the woman for last, right? Like, because

everyone loves to hear the woman's side of the story. So we're going to get this story from you. And then your wife is going to call in and we are going to get that story for her and we're going to air hers right after, right? But you have, okay, so let me ask you this. How long have you been married to your wife? Okay. So we've been together for about 10 years. Okay. First marriage? We've both been married before. Okay, so both second marriage. Now, both of you, like previously, were you both in very vanilla relationships before each other? Mostly, yeah.

I would say that it was... What does that mean mostly? What's not mostly? Well, she was definitely in a very vanilla relationship, you know? What about you? My ex and I kind of strayed a little bit, both of us. Meaning cheated or, like, had fun with others together? What does straight mean?

I'm assuming cheating, right? Yeah, and not just, well, yeah, one thing led to another, so cheating led to playing together with other people. Oh, that's interesting. But it was never really like the way this is. That was very much a swapping relationship. Oh, so wait, did you both cheat? I'm sorry if I'm going to, I kind of like I'm interested in your little side story. But like, did you both cheat and then you found out and then you decided to like become non-monogamous with each other? Is that what happened? No, I got cheated on it and I revenge cheated because I was very mature at that stage of my life.

I've revenge cheated too. I get it. Okay, so you caught her cheating? Yes. Okay, and then you cheated on her and did you like throw it in her face? Yes, absolutely. Okay. And then how did you go from there to you both being like pissed off at each other to like let's fuck other people and swap together? Like, did that happen immediately? No, it was a process. We were together for about 10 years also. And so it was a process in which we kind of just from anger and just a lot of bitterness and resentment it went to we both got married very young. We didn't really know what we were doing. So I probably was not as good of a lover either at that point. And you know, like she wanted to see what else was out there, I guess. And so the resentment kind of went from there. And it just it just.

process, right? No, I don't, I know I don't understand. How do you go from cheating to let's fucking swap? Like, who raises their hand after that and says, hey, why don't we like start, like having more fun in bed and hook up with couples and everything? Oh, yeah. She did. She did. She was like, like, let's, let's go to a swingers club and see how it is. Okay. So you got, you guys really dabbled. You weren't in a vanilla relationship. You went to swingers clubs with her and like swam? Did you do couple swaps? We did. Oh, okay. So you were way not. You're not, that's not considered vanilla, by the way, okay? You said mostly. So it's one of those things that I don't really like to talk about because it's my former, like, marriage and I'm very like nervous about even talking about it. Well, no one's going to know who the fuck you are. You think there's a thousand Marcos and Marco isn't even your real name and your voice is going to be changed. And I don't, never going to ask you where you live.

So no one's going to know who your ex-wife is, okay? And you know how many people cheated on each other, then revenge fucked and then became swingers? Your story's not that unique. but it is interesting to me because I'm a very curious person. It's hard for me to let go of things. And I'm like, oh, what happened over there? That's kind of interesting. Like both cheated and then you wind up swapping and then you guys got divorced.

Now, was like you opening up your relationship a reason for the ending? Or did you just end because you weren't compatible overall? No, no, no. That actually had nothing to do with the ending. As a matter of fact, if anything else, that kept us together for a little longer. Yeah, that's interesting. Okay, these are the kind of details that I think are kind of interesting to put out there. Okay, but you, so you enjoyed that though when it happened and that is that why it kind of came up in your relationship with Erica?

I think the whole thing with Erica came about in a very different way. I never really wanted to go down that road again. Interesting. But let me ask you this. Did you tell her when you meet Erica, do you tell her what you did previously with your ex? Absolutely. I'm a very transparent person. Okay.

As a matter of fact, she was kind of shocked. I remember her saying, like, I can't believe you're telling me. all this. So you meet, you tell her all the stuff you did. She was like very shocked and like, oh my God, I can't believe you're telling me this. You know, when and is that just the end of it? And then you guys wind up because I'm assuming you didn't get right into the whole Stagg-Vixen thing. No, we didn't. But I mean, if I really analyze myself, I've always been into flirtatious women, right? Fun, flirtatious, outgoing women. And that just kind of lends itself to a little bit of jealousy and a little bit of fantasy, right? So what happens with us is we, our relationship is more serious. Let me ask you

this. Did you like that kind of a thing before your wife cheated on you or did it come after? Because sometimes people with cheating in their past develop this kink because of the cheating. I think ever since I was young, I like dating flirtatious girls. I remember being in high school and dating some of the most flirtatious girls around, right? Okay, good. Okay. Interesting. Okay. So she was flirtatious and you like that. Yeah, absolutely. She was flirtatious. She's like very outgoing, very friendly.

And so I'm with her and I'm like, then we start like kind of talking about exclusivity and like, okay, let's be exclusive. Okay. So once we talked about exclusivity, that's where I did kind of start developing some jealousy when I was see her flirting with somebody else. I was like, hey, listen, I thought we were exclusive. And you're sending all these signals. And then these guys are texting her like.

inappropriate things. And it led to a lot of early relationship, like soul searching and some conflicts, trying to figure out why we're doing this, how we're doing this, what is our place in relationships? Because I'm one of these people who, once I'm in a relationship, I will commit. I've never ever been the first one to cheat. Like, I will commit. You're a relationship guy. I am a relationship person.

Right. So where does this conversation go? Like, how does it go to you being like, I want you to fuck other people? Because that's a stretch from what you're saying right now. Well, as everything in life, it was a process, years of this, that, and the other. And then after a while, instead of getting jealous and stuff, I started fantasizing. Isn't that interesting? Was that even surprising to you?

That here you are someone that's, like, jealous to now you're fantasizing about it? I mean, it's, I think it's the same coin. It's just two sides of the same coin. And I was still jealous sometimes when I was turned on by it. So it was not like a switch. Just flipped one day. Okay. I would try, I would be jealous.

I was like, so long story short, we were at a holiday party since we're working with the same people and we're leaving the holiday party and she's pretty drunk and she's talking to this guy and I'm holding her hand, but she's completely body slamming into him, right, as she's talking. And we're walking into the parking lot to get into our cars and she's like completely like all this guy and I pulled her twice back because I was holding her hand and then all of a sudden that is a switch flip that happened there. I was like, you know what? I'm tired of fighting this thing. I'm tired of just so if you want to do this and just do it kind of a thing. So I stopped holding her back. Fast forward

another few months and we're living in this townhouses and we have a common pool and there's this guy that is always at the pool and he's always checking her out. And I start talking to him and he's one day I just mentioned like, oh, so you find my wife attractive. He's like, oh, yeah, your wife is very attractive. We're just talking about her. We start talking about her. Then he invites us over. We go over to his place. He had asked me what my wife likes to do. And I was like, well, we both like to dance. So he, we go and his living room is set up like a dance club. Okay, guys, I got to tell you about the best supplement ever that's going to, not not only boost your sex drive, but increase your overall experience in the bedroom naturally.

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And there's this guy that is always at the pool and he's always checking her out. And I start talking to him and he's one day I just mentioned like, oh, so you find my wife attractive. He's like, oh, yeah, your wife is very attractive. We're just talking about her. We start talking about her. Then he invites us over. We go over to his place. he had asked me what my wife likes to do and I was like oh we both like to dance so he we go and his living room is set up like a dance club he's got strobe lights and he even has like a little disco ball and it really scared Erica and I was like okay let's just walk away from here we walked away I'm sorry but I'm missing the point the like the conversation where she's like down with this too she knows you're talking to this guy so that she could fuck him like why is she

scared of strobe lights if she just thinks you're going over a guy's house to have fun the guy you met in your building what is she scared of did she know that she's supposed to fuck him no neither one of us was thinking so what was she scared of she was scared of the situation what was the situation though religious home i know but you're not but i know but this is what i don't get and i know you're not lying i'm just i think you're just explaining things badly and i just wanted to be clear nowhere in this conversation yet does it sound like she knows that you want her to fuck other guys and you're going to this guy's house for her to fuck him. So why is she scared? Did she know that that was the purpose of this? Did you tell her that I asked that guy if he liked you and I'm thinking

maybe you could fuck him? Like, is she in on this whole thing? So hold on, hold on. Let's backtrack a little bit. Yeah, because he and I did not talk about him fucking her. I know. So that's what I don't understand. What is she afraid of? He was attracted to her. He wanted to dance with her. And I think when she got to his house, she saw that it could become more than just hurting. Okay. Okay. And I think That's what scared her. And I think that's what really, like, hit me later about her, too. She was flirtatious, but she was not about taking it into a different step. Okay.

And I myself didn't really want a repeat. And as I tell you the story, I'll, there's a particular moment of what my first marriage was. Oh, right. Of course. Uh-huh. Right? I did not want a repeat of my first marriage. I was like, okay, so if you're going to go, we'll go to his house, we'll dance, we'll flirt, you'll flirt with him.

and then you and I will come home and we'll have great sex. It will enhance our sexuality. We've been fantasizing, so this is kind of like a fantasy on steroids. She knows at this point that you have this thing of like pretending to want to see her with another guy and that's what you're fantasizing about? Exactly. I'm having these massive fantasies. Okay.

That's the whole thing. And you tell her, I'm having fantasies that I'm turned on by watching you with another guy and she decides to like fantasize with you about it. And she's okay with it. Exactly. Okay, but you never said that, and that's what's missing in the story. Okay, so that's important. Yeah, yeah.

So we're both fantasizing. We're fantasizing, but it's supposed to be just a fantasy, right? So we go to this guy's house, and then we go another time, and we kind of like hang out and have some drinks. And then we come home and we have great sex. He flirts with her. He tells her that she looks really good. The third time we go, she's wearing this really short dress and her thongs show a little bit. And so he mentions that.

And then we go home and we're having sex. We're like, oh, and he was like looking at my thongs, and I'm like, yeah. And then finally, I think it was a fourth time that we went over to his place. And once again, it was just supposed to be like, this time, though, we put the music on. We started dancing. I was dancing with her. And I kind of looked at him and I called him over to come up from behind her and dance. And he starts to sort of bump and grind from behind her.

And I'm like dancing from the front. And I take a little bit of a step back because all of this is happening in real time and I'm processing in real time what's going on. I step back and they're basically twerking at this point and the look on her face is a look of total ecstasy, right? Now until now she had always told me that she doesn't want anything to happen and you think sexual. And I said, yeah, yeah, it's a fantasy. That's all it is. and I'm watching her and the way her, the way she looks at me, she's an absolute and total lust, right? And so I go back to her and I start kissing her again. And I decided at that moment to turn her around to face him, right?

So I'm kissing her from behind now. He's like touching her. And at some point, him and I both kind of reached down at the bottom of her dress and we start pulling it up. Okay, so none of this, though, like you have never had a conversation that this is okay to happen in real life. Like, this is all happening by accident is what's happening here, right? This is literally, this is what I always say. This was totally accidental. Okay, okay, that's interesting.

Our first experience was completely accidental. Neither one of us expected this. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. Because there was no rules or regulations or anything because you, there was no way you were crossing this line, but it just happened in the heat of the moment. Exactly. Okay. We're all turned on. Her dress comes up.

starts to come up, right? Bring it up all the way up to her top. He pulls her top aside, right? Like he pulls her breasts out and he starts to go after her nipples. And that's when a thought went through my head. It's one of those like, and I thought nothing will be the same tomorrow. Like whatever happens right now, what is happening right now? Nothing will be the same tomorrow.

our relationship will not be the same tomorrow. Whether it was going to be good or bad, I did not know. Okay. But I was like, am I going to be angry? Am I going to be upset? Am I going to be fine with it? Am I going to feel hurt? Because once you've been cheated on, you're always afraid of that same pain, right?

Yeah, I guess. Go on. Now, in this case, she's obviously not cheating on me because we're right there together. But still, another man is touching her. Another man is touching her breasts. her dress comes off all the way off he starts to finger her we decide to move over to the couch he lays down on the couch him and i undress he lays down on one side of the couch i lay down on one the other side of the couch and then we together start to like one guy has a breast in each mouth we both have our hands our hands in her one of us is touching her clit the other one has his fingers inside her and she's feeling really good at this point. We

sort of take a break for a second. He goes to grab a drink and as he's coming back from having his drink she's sitting down at the couch and we're all naked and she looks at me and she goes can I taste him?

And I'm like, yeah, go ahead. And she goes, are you sure? And I'm like, yeah, go ahead. And she asks me a third time, which I thought was interesting. She goes, are you sure you're okay with this? And I'm like, yeah, I'm okay with it. And so she goes down on her knees and she starts to give him a blow job. And I'm just sitting there on the couch and I'm just watching this.

And I'm like, wow. Like, and this is a completely different experience because we talked about my first wife and I. And I never felt this way with my first spouse. I never felt so aroused at watching her with her. It was swapping. Okay. This time, this is something completely different. This is, I'm watching my wife go down on a guy and I'm loving it.

And so, and then, like, he lays back on the couch and she starts to go down on him. I turn myself around so I can go underneath her and I start going down on her. Right? So her moans and the way she's feeling, I know that she's really enjoying this. I know that she's having a great time. So at some point, like, this actually went on for about easily 45 minutes, right, of just oral sex. And at some point, I just kind of look at her and I just go like, why don't we go to this room? And she has his trepidacious sort of look on her face.

Like, maybe we shouldn't do that. And I'm like, I just want to fuck you. And let's go to his room. And he's like, yeah, yeah, let's go to my room. so we go to his room. She lays down. I get on my knees. I start having sex with her.

And he goes over to her mouth and she's sucking him. And all of a sudden he kind of goes, Erica, let me fuck you. And I'm thinking she's going to say no. Her response was, you need to ask my king. Okay. And my response to that is, do you have a condom? He grabs a condom. He comes back and I get off of her.

He gets on top of her. They start having sex. She's moaning loudly. And all of a sudden, my phone rings. And it's one of our kids. It's like 1.30 in the morning. And I run out. Our son is like, hey, when are you guys coming home?

And I'm trying to find a place in his house where I can't hear them having sex. and I go all the way across, and she is so loud right now that I'm like, I'm going to call you back and I had to hang up. But at that moment, I'm all alone on the other side of the house. I'm hearing her moan so loudly. And I'm so incredibly aroused by this. I'm like, my wife is getting fucked by this guy. And I am so turned on. I never thought that would happen like that.

So anyways, we finish up. we get dressed, we're going back to our place, she looks at me and she goes, did I just have sex with him? And I'm like, yeah, you had sex with him. And she literally falls to the ground. And I had to grab her and pick her up, bring her back up, and she starts crying.

She's like, what have I done? And I'm like, well, you wanted it. She's like, I know, but what have I done? and I'm like, you're fine. And so we walk a little further. She falls again. I pick her up again. She's crying.

We go home. We fall asleep. We wake up in the morning. She pulls me on top of her. We have great sex, right? And then we spend the whole day almost not talking. We're just in our bedroom, laying in bed. Both of us, I think, are processing.

We don't really talk much. but we have sex like four or five more times, right? And she's like, this is not who I am. And I'm like, well, it happened. And you wanted it. And she's like, I wanted it, but this is not who I am. And I'm like, okay. So we started process this and we have a lot of conversations.

I mean, four or five hour long conversations about this. And like a week later, we run. into him again in the community pool and they start talking and she looks at me and she goes we're going to the bathroom and i'm like okay and she goes i want you to come with i'm like okay so we go to the bathroom and we get into one of those stalls and she starts blowing both of us in the bathroom it's that handicap stall with the sink and everything so it's a bigger space and after a little while we were both kind of like somebody could walk in here We get up, we leave.

And so I'm like, so you want to do this again? And she's like, I don't know what I want. Fast forward, it's literally a month after the first time that we finally go back to his place. And she has sex with him again. And she tells him I've waited a whole month to have sex with you again. And so that's the beginning of this journey with this guy. And after a little while, I tell her, like, I'm like, listen, it's all fun in games I hear with this guy. But I just need one thing from you.

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response was like i totally understand that i totally understand that you want me to have sex another guy and she's like and i will i don't want you to feel unsafe i know that i'm never going to develop feelings for him but it'll make i know that it'll make you feel safer if i have sex another guy so that's that's how we got started we got started it was very much an accidental thing She's beyond the crying about, I mean, very recently, she, like after she was banging this guy, she was on the floor crying about it. So after she fucked him one more time,

she was like, okay, let's do this. And now you're going to move on and pick new guys, right? I got to tell you, even the second time, the month later, when she had sex with him again, when we left, she was crying again. Okay, but she still decided to move forward and do it more with other new guys. Okay, so what do you guys do? Like, go on an app or something?

Like, how did you find other guys? We did. We went on an app. And we went out. It was Thanksgiving week. And I think it was like Saturday and we called out and we meet this guy. And before you know it, we're talking to him. He invites us to come to his place.

And she's like, okay, let's go. So we go over there and we have a threesome with him. The next day. Who's him? This is a second guy. Where do you meet him now? We met him through an app. And we went for a meeting read to a bar.

So what do you put on the app? You're like, oh, we're a couple looking for a guy and who picks the guy? So basically what happens in these cases is I vet them. She doesn't like communicating with them. I vet the guys. I give her a choice of five or six guys to look at. She might say all five of these suck. I don't want to know anything about them.

Or she might go, this one's intriguing. I'd like to meet him. So we can have a meeting. So what was it about this guy that she liked? This guy was a mixed race guy. He was dark. and strong. You could tell that he works out. She likes men who work out. She likes men who I work out. She's never been into guys who look weak. She likes that strong masculine presence.

Okay. So he was hot. He was hot. He was a hot looking guy. And we go over to his place, have a threesome. I could tell you all kinds of stories about that, but I know we don't have a lot of time. No, no, no. You have 30 minutes. So you could get into the details. I mean, I think the first time meeting a guy in an app and having it very planned out is a is very interesting like where you meet him what went down were you involved like what happened no yeah i was involved i've been involved in every single one of them okay i watch for a second sometimes and i join in she likes she enjoys to uh sprit roast she enjoys we've done dps you know okay let's not get there just yet okay we'll get there this guy where do you meet him now where are you fucking him at your house in a hotel

At his house. We do at his house. Okay. He's been in the lifestyle for a while. He told us that he started out as a, as a bold quote unquote, or a third, like when he was like 22, 23 years old. And with an older couple, and that's his kink that he wants to be with people who are a little older than him. So we're at his place. They dance. There's, by the way, there's a theme. Everything has to do with dancing and music. We always put music on. She always dances with the guy, right?

She likes to be sandwiched by me and the other guy when we're dancing and turn back and forth. It never happens quickly. We're not about like, we enjoy the foreplay. As a matter of fact, I even say that I enjoy the foreplay more than the actual sex. Well, what's the foreplay? The dancing, the flirting, the flirting, the touching, be slowly taking her dress off, the slowly taking her lingerie off. Yeah, I think a lot of people love that kind of stuff. Yeah, and just kind of like watching her, I step back, I watch her dance for a while with the guy, make out with the guy.

So then with this guy, we go to his play, same thing, dancing, we're dancing, clothes come off. She goes down on him. We go to the bedroom. He gets on top of her, starts to have sex with her. I have sex with her. I start to go, I go down on her as she like. One of the things that I found interesting is that, and it's one of the things that, My wife says that out of 15 guys, only about three of them have attempted to really go down on her.

And this is something that she's disappointed by. Like, why don't men go down more? Yeah. Why don't men go down more? But then she always tells me like, you know what? It doesn't matter. It's your job to make me come in the end. So I'm like, okay, I take that.

I take my job pretty seriously. I have a fascination just to give you the other side. I've had a fascination with women's or the woman's vagina since I was probably 12 or 13 years old. And I first discovered this smut magazine laying around somewhere. So you love going down on girls. I get it. Right? Oh, yeah.

Most guys do. But I think some guys don't want to go down on a girl. They don't know. Some guys are weird like that. But I think that that sucks because it is a big part of sex for a woman. So three of the guys didn't go down on her. But what happened with all the others? But three guys have actually gone down.

Oh, that's all. The three, right, only the three. Yeah. So we're looking at a 20% ratio, which is actually pretty bad. Yeah, what is that? Are you only fishing in a certain pond? Like, is that, like, some sort of demographic of guy that just isn't interested in going down on girls anymore? Is it younger guys? I don't know. I've only had one guy not interested in going down on girls in my whole life, and I fucked a lot of guys. So it's interesting to me that all those guys didn't like to go down, right? It's mostly younger guys. We're in our, we're in our mid to late 40s. Yeah. And most of these guys, the youngest guy she's been with is 28. I'd say most of them are probably 34, 35, 36, right? they don't go down.

And not as, no, I'm surprised. Or if they go down, they go down for just like a second. They're down there. They're just paying lip service, quite lip pun intended. They're just paying lip service to what they're doing. They're not really like taking their time to discover the clitoris finger, make sure the clitoris is erect and really like get the juices flowing, right? I mean, my wife is a squirter.

She'll squirt if you go down on her the right way. she'll squirt if you fuck her in the right angle right but it's ironic that she's only ever squirted with one other guy 15 right and it's just it's just a fascinating like i look at the statistics i mean i work in marketing right so i look at the statistics and and and how and by the way i have an entire spreadsheet like of of ethnicity age and just i know that my sampling is very small yet 15 right But I am curious about these things. The data is what talks to me. And so I'm looking at these guys and I'm going, what is it?

What you're saying is very true? Like, what pool are we pulling from? Where are we going? Where do we find? So she's not that interested in older guys or guys who are my own age. For one thing, I think she doesn't find them as attractive. And for another thing, she says that they start to get emotional. So she wants to avoid that younger.

guys don't tell her like, oh, I could easily fall in love with you or something like that. Could we go back to the story, though? You meet that first guy. Okay, we're only there. You wind up fucking 14 other dudes or 12, 13 other dudes. We'll go back to like the actual story. Is she feeling better about the situation? How does the sex of that first guy that you meet? Like, how was that experience? That was great. She had, as a matter of fact, we've met up with him two other times. That was great. We had great sex with him. She, made him come twice and then I made her come. Most of the time I don't come in these threesomes.

Usually I have to go home and then we have sex and I reclaim her. So that was the second guy was quite frankly, he was good. It wasn't very eventful other than that. But the next night we went to a swingers club. We met this guy. We took him to a room in the swingers club. We started to have a threesome with him and he got extremely like aggressive. insulting. And maybe he's the guy who has always been with cuckolds, right? So, which there's

nothing wrong with that. No, no, no, no, sorry. The guy that's with the cuckold doesn't insult the woman. Okay. The woman isn't a fucking cuck. Okay. If the cuck wants to, he's into cuckolds, okay? This guy's not into cuckles. He was just a douchebag because no one's insulting the woman in any of these kind of hot wife scenarios, even with a cuck. The cuck gets insulted, not the woman. The woman the price. So you're saying he was mean to your chick. That's not a guy. He's just a douche bag. Yeah. And I was like, I'm not going to put up with this. And then the next night, there was another guy that we had kind of talked up to on an app. We go to his place. He's got a pool. We go to his house. We have a three son with him. He was a really nice guy, but she didn't for some

reason. She didn't like enjoy him as much. So what's interesting about the story is that we had three sons with three different guys, three nights in a row. Right, boom, boom, boom. She goes from number one, and then about two months later, she goes two, three, and four. How were those experiences? So that's what we ended up processing. We didn't do anything then from Thanksgiving break all the way till spring break, five months, where we literally just processed those experiences, those guys, and how things went and how things didn't go,

and what we can learn, what questions we can ask, and before we get started with somebody, right? And what is a good situation? What is a not good situation? Okay. So how did those conversations go? This is where we're literally like sitting at a coffee shop or something or we're just talking. Like do you think what kind of guy do you feel attracted to even?

Like what is your type? Because we hadn't really defined that yet. I mean, we were literally operating on, I don't know, instinct. So now we're talking. What guys are you attracted to? What do you want them to say? One of the things that she said was, like, I don't want to have sex on the first encounter. Let's meet and then let's have sex some other time because it gives me a chance to process the person and to see if this person is just there for the heat of the moment or if he actually cares and is going to be human about things, right? So that's one of the rules that came out of that is like we don't play on the first round anymore. I'll be honest with you. There's so many things. And we both journal, so we both are writing these things down. And then we're comparing notes. And what turns me on, what turns her on, what she would like a guy to do to her, how she wants to be treated. Because at the end of the day, what's all important is that she feel good about this. Because if she's not feeling good about this, and there's no point in doing it, it's her pleasure that turns me on. It's when she is moaning and having a good time and enjoying the guy and she says out loud things like it feels so good or and i can see her face is just full of ecstasy and pleasure this is when i am happy this is what turns me on if she's not turned on then it does nothing for me i'm like okay you're not having fun why are we here

it's one of those things where we've met so we meet with these meeting greets if the guy doesn't look like the profile picture that he sent out he's not an attractive guy I'm like, why are we here? Where are we even here? I mean, are you attracted to him? No. Okay, let's leave. It has to be somebody who, so at the end of the day, let's be honest,

I want someone who can compete, who can make me feel jealous, right? Not a lot of guys make me feel jealous. And so that, I think, has been the difficult part is the search for that guy that she finds attractive and who make me feel like I've got some competition here. So I have to play. Do you tell the guys that you want that? Because that makes you a little bit of a cuck. And that's where the guy coming in and your girl knowing that they're the ones that need to give you that experience.

It can't be something that's just going to happen naturally. Because no guy is going to disrespect you in that way without them knowing that that's what you want. What you want to be disrespectful. Well, in a way for you to feel jealous, you kind of do need a little bit of disrespect. like he's taking your wife from you. You know what I mean? In order for you to feel that way, because you don't feel that way

when she's having fun with the guy and he's being nice to her and everything's happening normally. So what is going to make you jealous? What is going to make me jealous? Yeah. I would love to see a guy who would go down on her and make her come.

Okay, well, three guys did. Did that make you jealous? Three guys. Three guys went down on her. So none of them made her come. So she's never come, she doesn't come with any of these guys? She has only come once with another guy.

Is her having an orgasm going to make you jealous? Like what is missing in these experiences that isn't making you jealous? Somebody who gave her so much pleasure that now I have to up my game. Okay, so you've picked 15 guys she's fucked and not one guy was good in bed. Well, only one guy made her come and he was having anal with her and he hit the right angles. Okay, but aren't you like, aren't you there too in the midst of these threesomes? Are you giving her orgasms? orgasming at all in any of these experiences?

Yeah, because I'm making her come. Okay. So you want a guy that's better in bed than you, and you feel like none of these guys have been that way. They're all sort of subpar. Exactly. Okay. So what are you doing now to find that guy?

I just think a little bit of the cuck scenario of what you're looking for. Like it can be like a little role playing or girl talking about how fucking hot he is, and that could maybe make you feel that way and that guy talking about how he loves fucking your wife. like stuff like that could add to the situation if that's what you're looking for. But I don't think what you're looking for a guy is going to do naturally. I mean, these, I don't know how you pick 15 bad dudes. I would think like even just statistically speaking, a couple of them had to have been good and bad.

Every single one of them sucked. That, Kathy, is what you're going to have to ask her. Yeah, I can't wait. Does she have, like, is it, is this something that she's interested in? Like, I never understand, like, is she wet and horny through this whole experience? And these are great because I never understand. People tell me I'm wrong. Like, why anyone's having sex if they're not having an orgasm?

Like, I never fool around with anybody unless I have an orgasm. Like, there's no, it's like going to a restaurant and smelling food and not eating it. I don't get it. So, but I wonder, is she turned on in these experience? She just can't get to climax. But she gets to climax with you. Oh, she definitely is turned on. Okay.

She's definitely turned on. She gets really horny. She gets really turned on. I don't know if she has a mental block because this is something worth processing, right? I don't know if she has a mental block to allowing a man who's not her husband to making her come.

Maybe, but she's turned on in the experience and she comes with you. Yeah. Right. So maybe the problem isn't with the guys and it's with her. You know what I mean? And that's what you need to work on.

Her finding someone that she feels comfortable enough that she can orgasm to give you that jealous feeling that you're looking for. It's probably not the guy's fault. Because you're saying, It sounds like you're not really that turned on by any of these experiences

because something's missing for you? Or are you turned on by these experiences? I am turned on. I'm definitely turned on. I just want somebody to come in and like blow her away in such a way that it'll make me have to do even better. Okay.

It's not that I'm not turned on. I'm very turned on. Okay. But you want to take it up a notch. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah, well, I think you're taking an up and notch is like getting your wife to be more interested in the situation.

because the guys could work as hard as they can, but if she can't orgasm with someone other than you, that's just not going to happen no matter what they do. Three guys did go down on her. She didn't come with them, right? Like she's had DP and she can't come. Well, she only comes through clitoral stimulation, right? Okay, but she did do a DP, right?

You said that. Who did you do that one with? Why don't you tell me that experience? We've done three or four of them. Okay. I mean, that's pretty intense, I would assume. I've never done it. And I don't really like, like I always, so I'm not extremely long, but I'm the second thickest she's ever had, right?

So I had always assumed that if we had a DP, I would be, I would not be in her ass. But ironically, in all but one experience, says, I'm the one who's been in her ass. There was one guy who took the initiative, like she was on top of me and he came in from me. behind and he got inside her. But otherwise, in all the other experiences, she's been on top of the guy and I come up from behind and I get in her ass. I don't know. She's actually the first woman who's ever, who I ever had anal with. Okay. I don't know why the whole story sounds like a buzzkill. Don't you love what's going on? Or I don't know. Like, talk about the positives of this experience. I think, I think the story sounds like a bus kill probably in a lot of ways because I'm very cerebral about it sometimes.

Yeah, yeah. It's what my therapist always tells me is stop analyzing everything and just enjoy the moment. Yeah, I got to tell you, and this is, I hope this is going to be similar to your thing. I had a guy on recently named Justin, and he was the worst fucking storyteller, episode 1-187. I mean, so bad. He was bad in a different way. He had ADHD to the 10th power.

I totally believed it. I do, too. I totally believed him, but I was like confused, and I was like, oh, my God. and then he sent his wife on. Now, I have not aired her yet, but I just taped her yesterday. And she was fucking killer. She totally redeemed him. I was like, oh, my God, finally we hear this story in the right way.

So I'm wondering, like, when we hear your story from your wife, is it going to be very different? Because for some reason, it's weird. I don't know what's going on here. But I find the story to be a little bit of like, it's a real story. I love that, right? But it doesn't sound like you're having fun and your wife is. It sounds like you're 15 guys in and you haven't really had that great experience yet. I think we're looking for, I think I'm looking for that mountain peak experience to see.

But I think the problem with us is both of us are very analytical. Both of us are very like, and I am extremely analytical. As I told you, I'm a data person. So in every instance, I'm literally watching for her reactions and like, okay, what does this reaction mean? How can I interpret this? How can I interpret what she's feeling right now, right? But you're just like a focus on the hot, you're like, you're like a cup half empty person. Like you're just really seeing the negatives in all these situations, not the positives.

And it is what you're focusing on more. And maybe, listen, I have an analytical mind too. I totally get it. But I do think you're just focusing on what isn't there, even though it sounds like when I do question you that there's a lot of good that's happening to. Oh, there's a ton of good. Yeah, that's not what you're talking about. It's afterwards. Okay.

It's the videos and the memories. Okay, but that's what you should be talking about. Okay, so, okay. So quite frankly, I'll be honest with you. The experience itself is good, sure. Okay, okay. But it's the videos later, watching the videos and the memories and then talking to her in bed about how she was having sex with another guy. Yeah.

That is what really gets me up. I never get off on these experiences. Only like, I think of 25 or 26 or something like that experiences that we've had all together. together with these 15 guys. Yeah. I think I've probably orgasm two or three times. Right. While you're there. But afterwards, it's like game on. Right. Yeah. I mean, we go home. I, I reclaim her. I come like three or four times in the next 24 hours, like having sex with her. We talk about it. We analyze it. We like, oh, he did this. He did that. You were doing, you were moaning like this. I mean, at the end of the day, that's the thing. Like, no, I should have started out by telling you this. The

experience itself is not what gets me. It's the post, like, analysis, post conversations, post that really turns me on. It's the cerebral side of it, like going through it in my mind with her. And what about also the buildup to it beforehand? Is it the same thing? Because some people have said that too. Yeah, the buildup is amazing. The buildup is amazing. The buildup is amazing. The foreplay is good. The foreplay is great. Yeah. The actual sex is like, yeah, okay, it's happening. It needs to happen so that later we can enjoy the memory. Yeah, I get it. I mean, I think that that's, listen, that's an interesting take and I could see that being true. It's not like I doubt your story or anything, but like you spent more time talking about what wasn't there, but you do enjoy, like,

I didn't really know that you were videotaping everything. So you are videotaping everything and they're okay with it. And you guys do get off on like seeing the videos. Does your wife like the videos too? No, because she's very critical of herself. Right. Yeah, unfortunately, that's a lot of times. I mean, I know guys that are critical of themselves too, but sometimes it's a woman. So she doesn't like them, but you do. I do.

Yeah. I think she's the most attractive woman out there. Her body is a killer body. She is this gorgeous, blonde, tall, legs that never end. She's got the most perfect ass in the world. And she doesn't know how beautiful she is. She's got the most beautiful face. I fell in love with her face before I fell in love with anything else.

I remember meeting her and just looking at her face and going, oh, my God, this is just the most beautiful woman. Her eyes, her nose, her lips, her forehead, her cheekbones, her hair, and the way she smiled, her laugh. That's what made me fall in love with her. And then when I discovered her body, I was like, holy cow, when does this happen? Right. You don't see a woman with that gorgeous of a face and then that hot of a body and that amazing of a personality. like, oh, let's be honest. I'm obsessed with her, but there's a reason.

I'm never going to find another. I've been around for a long time on this planet. I have lived all over the world. I've lived in South America. I've lived in Asia. I've lived in Europe. I've lived in the United States. I've met all kinds of women.

I'm never going to meet a woman like her. Okay, well, and listen, I think that a lot of times putting this stuff on videotape is like, it's like you've got your own porn store. That becomes your porn, right? Instead of watching girls, you know. don't know. Yeah, because that's like hot women, right? But you don't know them. But when it's like a hot woman and it's your girl, it's like that's what you were looking for when you're Googling porn, you're trying to put yourself in that experience. So now you really have exactly what you're looking for? Like, do you have a new guy you're looking for? Do you have a current guy that you're banging? Like, what's, what's, because we're going to wrap it up? Like, what is on your plate next? Besides the fact that your wife's going to have to call in and tell her story. The guy that we always like to get together with is the first guy. The very first guy, right? The guy from your building? Yeah, he's not in the lifestyle. He's a good guy. We enjoy his company. He's fun to be around. He travels a lot for business. He's constantly flying to other places. So he's rarely available. But when he is available, like we like to get together with him. No, I think what we're doing right now is we're doing a review of everything that's happened so far with these 15 guys, right? And I think we would rather revisit the, like, let's call him the Mount Rushmore. faces the three or four guys that we enjoy the most.

And I think the more they get to know her body, the more they get to know how she functions, the better they're going to be at being able to satisfy her. So we want to focus on quality and not quantity, because let's be honest, the first time you're with anybody, you're not going to be able to get to another body. It takes a man a while to get to know a woman's body, right?

And what's particularly, are her particulars? How do you touch her? Does she like to be licked? Does she like to be kissed? Does she like to be bitten? Does she like? So I think we'd rather go back to those guys, try to see if we can enhance those experiences, have better experiences, build on what we already have instead of going out there. Of course, if somebody new comes up and it's interesting, but we're not on the apps at this point. We're not looking through the apps anymore. We're just focusing on, and by the way, it's hard for us to get together on a regular basis. with guys because we do have kids. We have responsibilities. We have jobs that keep us really busy and really tired. And our goal at this point is I said, yes, is to just try to revisit those guys that have been great and not try to reinvent the wheel over and over again. Right. Okay, well, I'm going to get the

story from your wife. She's calling in probably a month from now. She said this month is very busy for her. I'm going to air your guys kind of together. I thank you for calling in. Your wife was going to be on call. I don't know if she would have saved. Like if it was, I'm interested to talk to her and like I said, get the story from her and see the experiences, the same experiences from her take. Your take is very interesting. It is a very different angle of this kind of setup and scenario because of the way that you're wired and the way you look. I think so thanks for calling it and sharing it. I, like, I've been doing my show for 11 years, so it's always interesting for me to hear the same story in a different way. And every story is different. It doesn't matter if I talk to a million people and the

same thing. It's always going to be very different. Like I said, yours was a little, like, not a gone wrong story, right? But it was some stuff like, oh, it's not that. Oh, like, I don't know what, like I called it like a downer, but maybe not to other people. I think it's an interesting take and how you see this story. And it'll be interesting to see how your wife sees it. Yeah. And by the way, if you could not air this next part that I'm going to say, I'm just that I think this was one of the issues that I had with my first wife is that never really enjoyed it that much, you know? What? Oh, being in a lifestyle.

Why can't we add that in? You just need to add that in. Why can't I put this in? It was more her thing than it was my thing. I need to ask you, I can't talk about this if I can't put it in the episode. Why can't, could I just ask you a question? Why am I not allowed to put in there that you weren't that into it? And anyway, you know what?

Don't add it in because then I'm going to have to go down a whole new thing because you didn't talk about it in the beginning. I can't have stuff. I can't have people that are editing what they say on my podcast. It's, I don't understand why you would. No one knows who the fuck you are. No one knows your ex-wife. That's not anything.

So put it in. Put it in. Yeah. I don't think I ever really enjoyed being in the lifestyle with my first wife because it wasn't so much. Of course, I was always analyzing it. It was more something that she wanted to do than I wanted to do. And we just had different targets for it.

We had different goals. But you do feel like you're enjoying it this time, is what you're saying? You got the wrap off? So totally different. Okay. And this time it is good for you. You just want it to be a little.

This is a stag vixing situation. This is a hot wiping situation, right? I think age has also changed me. Okay. You know, pride has, is not as big of an issue anymore. My pride was hurt the first time, right? Yeah, no, it does sound like you're hurting at all on this. You actually want to hurt more.

Like, that'll be a turnout. Like, you actually want to feel more jealous. You're all, like, you're secure in this relationship. Everything's good between you and your girl. You just want the experience. is when you're there to be a little bit better and that she gets off and you feel like a little bit like you need to

feel that you want to feel that little angst a little bit more and that's what you're missing that's the only thing that's missing whereas probably in your last relationship that would have been worse maybe I don't know but listen you know that on my Patreon I always ask for pictures if you did talk your wife's body up and I know she knows you're calling in so if she's okay if you want to send an anonymous picks of her for my Patreon they can't be like

R or X rated they should just be like R rated like she could be in lingerie or a bikini or something hot if you want. And then also when we hang up, you'll get a free access to my Discord, which is pretty great. There's tons of channels over there. That's where you could do whatever you want. And there is a guest channel for when your episode airs, you could post in there. And I'll give you access to that. Just make sure to sign up as your show name so people know who you are. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Your fake name, Mark out. Yeah, I'll do that. And as far as pictures are concerned, of course, that's, that is her realm. I respect the fact that she does not, if she does not

want me to send pictures. You know, or she'll choose what pictures to send, right? Of course. I wouldn't take pictures from you unless she approved. I would never post a picture of somebody unless they improved. And I never, even if you set me in a picture of her face,

I would take it out. I don't post any pictures of anyone. Face on my Patreon. They're all anonymous. And they are, I know your wife knows you're calling in because I just spoke with her. But it is only if she approves, you could send in pics.

Okay? So just ask her. Perfect. Okay? All right. All right, awesome. Thanks. What do we call you again? Marco, thanks, Marco for calling it. It's interesting take. I can't wait to see what other people have to say. People might have disagree with me and be like, oh, Kathy, why don't you ask him this and that instead of what you asked

them? But I can't wait to see the comments. Your episode will be up a little later this month because I want to wait for your wife to call in so I could post them one after the other, okay? So have her use the link to sign up, okay? We'll do. Take care. All right. Thanks, Marko. Thank you so much for calling in. Bye. Take care. Bye-bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go. that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers,

is now available not only in paperback and e-book, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a, Cuck story. There's a gang being girl story. Like I said, 17 stories. And they're all told in the third person, and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person. And I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories.

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lots of contests where you can win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total, strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private, like I said. All you got to do is email. me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook, the e-book, or the paperback. Send it to me at Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com. That's Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com. And I will send you the link to Discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in.

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There's a cuckold story. There's a gang-bang girl story. Like I said, 17 stories. And they're all told in the third person, right? So I took the interview and I rewrote it in the third person. I wouldn't call it like an erotica book, though there's plenty of sex in there, right? But I didn't write it to sound like erotica because that's like the vibe of my show. You're going to learn a lot.

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