Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1279 - Socrates was a Swinger, Then a Bull for Couples & Now he’s in a Stag Vixen Marriage

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

Socrates was a swinger, then a bull  and now he’s in a stag/vixen relationship and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including how he got into the lifestyle with his first QOS wife and what they started doing, the Vegas swinging party that he went to and how and why he realized then he was a stag and also wanted to be a bull one day. what went down between the bull and his wife, how and why his first wife had negative feelings about lifestyle, how he became a bull after his divorce and how he learned how to master it, where he found couples, the first “high level” couple he hooked up with and what went down, the couple with the black cuck and what would go down with them, how he met his new wife and how he got her into the lifestyle, how she realized she was also a queen of spades and loves hooking up with guys solo, how she became a “cuck sitter” and what that means, the cuck sitter experience he was involved in with her and what went down, how and why they love Splash Mocha and what goes down there, how and why he start his Bull Brotherhood podcast plus a whole lot more. You can hear his show here: BULL BROTHERHOOD PODCAST To see HOT pics SOCRATES plus my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord!  MY BOOK IS NOW OUT FOR PRE-ORDER!!!! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY NOW: ⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠  To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712  Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show." Want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. All voices are changed.  Sponsors:⁠⁠ ⁠https://butterwellness.com/⁠⁠⁠ — Use the code STRICTLY at checkout for 30% OFF your entire order⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠ — Get your first month of the new Bluechew Max FREE! Use code: STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠https://brooklynbedding.com⁠⁠⁠ — Use my promo code STRICTLY at checkout to get 30% off sitewide⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.quince.com/strictlyanon⁠⁠ — For premium quality Quince clothing plus FREE shipping and 365 day returns! ⁠⁠https://beducate.me/pd2536-anonymous⁠⁠ — Use code ANONYMOUS69 to get 50% off your yearly pass plus a 14-day money-back guarantee⁠⁠ http://loadboost.com⁠⁠ — To get 10% off LOAD Boost by VB Health use code: STRICTLY https://uberlube.com/discount/Strictly⁠⁠ — Use code STRICTLY for 10% off Uberlube aka the BEST Lube EVER⁠⁠ https://shamelesscare.sjv.io/xLQ3Jv⁠⁠ — To get $15 OFF your oxytocin products, STI panels and more, use code STRICTLY  Follow me! Instagram  ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠ X ⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠ Website  ⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠ Everything else: https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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eventually started to realize that he was into the whole Stag Vixen thing. He enjoyed seeing his girl with another guy. He had that kink. And then there was one moment that really changed his life where he met a real bull. And he explains what went down with that bull. And then he explains how he talked to him. And he realized he wanted to get into being a bull himself. And then he had a stint after his divorce of being a bull. He talks all about that. How he started hooking up with couples and all the different stories and types of couples that he hooked up with. And then he met his current wife, whose name is Siren. She has her own podcast. Hopefully she's going to come on the show as well. And he talks about their journey back into the lifestyle and how he got her into it and what they're

into now. They love Splash Moka. That's like his favorite place to go. She's definitely a queen of, queen of spades. They're very hardcore and what they're into now. And he's very fully committed to the lifestyle. And like I said, he started his own podcast talking about how to be a bull. It's called the Bull Brotherhood podcast.

I said that before. I'll put a link to it in the description. have pictures of him over on my Patreon. You're going to love his episode. His whole story is super interesting. So I'm going to get right to it and be right back on with Socrates. Hey, Socrates. Welcome to the Strictly Anonymous podcast. How are you today? Hey, how's it going? Thanks for having me on. You got a nice voice there, Socrates. You're like very deep killer. I don't have to change your voice because you also, besides being a bull and a Vick, a stag, Vicks in person and you fuck couples

and all that kind of good stuff. You are, you just started your own podcast like this year, right? And it's called the Bull Brother. Like, why don't you give some information about that real quick before we get into your whole life story? Oh, yeah, yeah, thank you. So, yeah, it's called the Bull Brotherhood podcast. It's hosted by me and my mentor slash friend slash business partner, Brian Morgan,

and my wife's Siren of the Siren of Freedom Podcast. Oh, we're going to have to have siren on one day. We have to have siren on one day, right? That would be great. That would be great. And she's a vixen, right? Not hot wife. We could call her a vixen.

You're a stag vixen-vixen-relate marriage? Yeah, bixen, hot wife, type of thing. Yeah. Yeah, I love that. And what's her, hers called? Her podcast? The siren, the siren of freedom and the siren of freedom after dark. Okay, I love it.

All right. So now, listen, this is what you do. You have the podcast, but you are like a professional bull. You don't have, like, you're not a professional bull. content creator or anything I was asking you before we got on but you were like uh you know kathy i've been listening to your show from the beginning and it's all your fault i'm in the lifestyle yes yeah i don't know you were the one of the podcasts i listened to when i wanted to be really into it so yeah i think you've been doing this for like 11 years yeah oh my god forever yeah back in the day when

craigless was around that's where i found all my bulls that called in what were you doing back okay let's back to like before you found my podcast before you decided to get into this or like at that point like how old were you and what made you think like I want to go and fuck couples yeah I was like in my early 40s actually oh okay had you been married or anything yet before then yeah married yeah I was married actually was a previous marriage I was in strictly monogamous relationships for that whole time interesting yeah I but you know I mean I was a I was a male whore but I was you know I was I tried to be anonymous. Were you, like, an unethical non-monogamous?

Like, were you cheating when you were in your vanilla marriage? Yeah, no, I didn't cheat. Oh, okay. So that's good. Okay, so you're not that much of a man-hor. You could keep it in your pants when you're committed? Well, yeah, I mean, it's like when I was single, yeah, I tried to get in as much as I could. But I took the relationship seriously.

Like, I take this lifestyle. I'm really big into the ethics and principles and structure of it. I take it seriously because we get to do things that only rappers and porn stars do. You know what I mean? Exactly. Yeah. And the way you do that is through structure, respect, doing things ethically, communication. So I was just, you know, I was married and I approached my wife and I was like, this is something I want to do.

And I wanted to research it. I didn't know how. And it was a rocky road, but listening to your podcast really gave me some fundamental structures. I didn't know anything about this world. I knew I didn't have the same traditional values that everybody else did as far as monogamy is concerned or jealousy. I really wasn't a jealous person. So I, you know, knew I wanted to go in that direction and listening to you and talking to bulls and talking to swinger couples and talking to cucks and all the kind of people that you talk to and the kids. kink community and just all of that.

I was like, okay, there are people out there like me. I'm not the only weirdo on the planet. Yeah, exactly. Because I don't know how long ago this is, but even when I started my show, I didn't know, like nowadays I think hotwifing and certain things are a little bit more out there and people know about it, but I had zero clue about any of the stuff. I didn't. It didn't even have terms, you know, back when I started my podcast.

And it was like blew my mind that guys were into seeing their girls get fucked by other guys. I had never heard of that. Oh, yeah. Right. Where I come from, it was unheard of. It was a sign of weakness and a sign of, you know, even maybe that you're either gay or bisexual. You know, that's the culture I came from. So it blew my mind as well, because I kind of started in like every other guy. I just want two women. I want my wife and another girl. You know, you start that way. Yeah. And then you start getting into more of the details. And you're like, oh, that sounds interesting. Oh, man, why does that work? You know? So it just kind of grew from there. And, you know, I got in like a normal couple of slingers, starting on very slow with my wife, just, you know, my ex-wife at the time, just wanting a girl. A girl. A girl.

But like when you said, you went to her and said you wanted to get into this, this was like a threesome with the girl right at first. That's when it started out and let's go open up our relationship and have a fun threesome together. Yeah, I feel like 80% of people getting messed out like that, right? Yeah. The guy's idea, right? And he just wants the fantasy of two women. Yeah. That's, you know, that's what it is. And then you get that.

You get a couple of them. And you're like, okay, this is great. I want more. And then you start running into other dynamics, right? You start running into bulls and cuckold couples. You start running into stagdix and couples. You start running into kink cuckles and, hell, even furries. You know, so you start running into those communities.

But in that beginning, though, when you like go to your. wife, she's obviously down with getting a girl. And do you guys go to like swing or clubs or do you go on like how are you, how do you start to make those threesomes happen in the beginning? Well, that, you know, like, you know, like you said, back then, it's more of Craigslist type stuff. Yeah. I think there might have been one or two, you know, like SDC or, you know, SLS or Cassidy. I think maybe an adult friend Fighter was around. So, yeah, Adult Friend Finder was around. Yeah, that was around. I remember. Yeah. Nowadays, we don't have, like, I'm really, and people do this, not that it's wrong, but I'm really kind of against trying to convert another people, especially at a bar that night. Yeah, yeah. And so we really found places now in this community. There's a thousand different online dating sites to go to. You don't have to do that. So we just go on Craigslist back then or adult friend finder and we found, you know, a unicorn. and it was a soft swap at the time.

There was no penetration involved. Oh, okay. That's interesting. You know, and you do that a while to make your wife comfortable or you comfortable, depending on the couple.

I was pretty much going home from day one. My wife at the time needed a lot more comfort and a lot more, you know, reassurance. And I was a very, I cut my teeth with her.

You know, so I made a lot of the mistakes in my first marriage with her. I didn't do anything nefarious. I wasn't trying to push her to do it when she didn't want to. But there's things I know now would not have done then.

Like what? I'm a question asker. I ask a lot of questions. But for a woman who, the guy's asking questions about getting another woman in bed, that's not received as you're just a curious guy. That's received as, dude,

you're just trying to push to get pussy. Like, stop it, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. She's not putting it together. You're just, you would question anything. You're just a fucking questioner. But she's looking at that questions as like, oh, it means something more.

That's normal. Exactly. Yeah, of course. But it wasn't. Like you said, you're just a question guy. So, you know, you'd probably question fucking dinner, too, right? It's just the way you're wired. I mean, I'm one of those guys that I'm one of the original conspiracy theory guys, right?

I'm the one that digs down to the rabbit holes of things. Yeah, me too. I have to me in questions. I read a lot and I research. I'm a guy doing research papers. Now I use AI software for research like perplexity or Google. But for her, it was like, dude, you're pushing it. You know, like, give me time to, you know, acclimate to this lifestyle.

Give me time to externally process. Give me time to figure out what I really want. Yeah. You know, so my nervous energy and excitement and curiosity translated into desperation push her in directions without her naturally growing into them. Did she eventually let you like, so you went from like soft swapping and stuff. Like what was the progression? Did she eventually let you like be with a woman fully and stuff like that when you were doing the threesome with the women?

Yeah. I mean, eventually she allowed me to play and penetrate. Eventually, you know, we found a few swaps here and there. Swap is really hard. We're interracial, so I'm a black and Latino bull. She is a Latin woman who kind of peers white. She's really blonde-year, blue-white, Latina. And she's Q-O-S.

She knew that even before she got into the house. That's queen of space, right? Exactly. Yeah, she takes black men. And so she only wanted to play. with black men and so that made it difficult and then we were looking for swaps so that make it difficult but i went to so we have the natural progression of yeah okay i get to play a little bit then we get to start trying to find couples you run into the hard time of trying to find you know four-way connection right

then you kind of progress into you found that a little bit and you work those issues out and you work the communication issues out and you work the oh my goodness these beautiful women in front of me and i'm just going to act a fool you know right those are the mistakes you that you make and then we progressed to, we went to a party in Vegas and that's what changed everything. There was a bull, tall 6-2-6-3 chocolate brother, like bald head

maybe 250, muscular and a third leg. And I, at that moment, realized I always a stacked. And I also realized bulls are super dope. I wanted to know what bulls do and how they act and I first asked them, can you please fuck my wife? Like I

want to see that and we were there with a friend so she's like you know what you guys are new i'll play with you and while she plays with him your wife's really nervous so she took her into the bathroom because this guy's like probably at least you know 13 inches you know tex erzona tea type thing you know oh my god oh my god and i was really excited i was like i really want this guy to to you know do his thing and it turned out great you know know it turned out really great everybody had a great time and so she took her into the bathroom because this guy's like probably at least you know 13 inches you know fack Arizona tea type thing you know oh my god oh my yeah and I was really excited I was like

I really want this guy to to you know do his thing and it turned out great you know it turned out really great everybody had a great time and I sat down with them and I started asking questions what does a bull do? And he's, and when you said professional, I think a professional bull is someone who's paid for it. I don't consider a professional. I think, I don't, yeah, that's not what I mean when I say professional. I mean like, this is something that you mastered and you know how to do it.

And so, because so many people don't know how to. You know what I mean? And they make so many, I've had just strictly like how to be a bull episodes because I just so many guys get it wrong because I hear from the couples for their bull gone wrong stories, you know. So that's what I mean. I don't mean like, oh, you're like, you know, any of that kind of shit. But anyway, but I'm glad you.

So we're on the same page. Yeah, but maybe other people think what you said. Yeah. Oh, he was a professional. No, yeah. So, you know, he could do anything from a real genuine connection to pay me X, Y, and Z, and I will show up and blow your wife's mind. You know what I mean?

Yeah. So he was just breaking it down. What do it will do? What's the value they add? You know, what kind of benefits? He was kind of bragging. You know, he's kind of bragging about himself with just. fine and I'm not that type but he's like look I get flown out you know they all expense paid you know

know the cuck will you know how it is you've heard the stories many times the cuck will pay for the hotel he will give me a credit card and say here you and my wife go shopping pick out a dress for her pick out the stilettos you want her to wear pick out whatever you know and pick out a restaurant and I'll pay for that and this whole experience I was like mesmerized I'm like are you kidding me really like now i hang around guys that get flown out to Dubai and stuff like that so it's not a big deal anymore but yeah i was mesmerized i was like are you kidding me so and that's what started my journey really wait did your did your wife fuck him that night oh she did yeah how was it was she like oh my god well honestly it was turned around yeah maybe he was smart now i look back and i was he

strategically smart. Why? What are you doing? But what he did was like, oh my goodness, this pussy's so amazing. I can't make it. He kept changing the condom. He kept slowing down because he was like, oh, it's so good. I can't contain myself.

And I'm like, that was in the moment, I was like, see, babe, like, your pussy so bum. I told you this and that. I'm looking back and knowing his experience, I'm like, he probably was just doing that for her. Because she was nervous as fuck. Yeah. Any girl wants to hear those

compliments. Girls are suckers for compliments. Yeah, that's so smart. It makes a woman feel comfortable and relax because she's always a little self-conscious in her head, especially with a new guy. So yeah, that was very smart. Yeah. So it was exciting for me. I loved it. She did not stop talking about it. She had this big giddy look on her face. And I was like, one, I want to do the things he's doing. Two, I want to be able to make a woman feel that way. Wow. You know what I mean? But what about three? Three, you did also like the stag part of it as well. Like you also liked watching your wife.

You have that too, right? Yeah, yeah. And that kind of helps really end being able in how to approach couples because I understand what the husband's looking for. Yeah, I was like, I couldn't really concentrate with my playmate because I was watching her. Yeah, and that was like the biggest turn on. You're one of those guys. Yeah. But it's interesting that you also like being the bull. You're very well-rounded. I have only one other guy named Jay. He's been like he had a very long, he's had that kind of trajectory, you know, stag then bull or whatever, you know, but you're like both side, double-sided. Yeah, yeah. I, I don't really sexually interact with cucks on that level. Some do. You know, it really is a spectrum. But yeah, it's like I enjoy seeing my wife with quality. what we call high level operators,

or quality bulls. I enjoy from start to finish because they know how to respect. They know how to get my wife interested. They know how to gauge interest. They know how to get her from, and my wife's very outgoing. It's not that hard, but you got to have those skills.

My current wife, you're right. So my current wife is very outgoing, Siren of Freedom Podcast. She's part of our podcast. She's confident in who she is. She's just a, you know, She's not the one we're talking about yet. We're not at the point where you meet her, right?

This is when you're doing all this stuff and just figuring yourself out, you're with another wife, your first wife, right? Yes. Okay. Yeah. And she was into all of this? I mean, you said she couldn't stop talking about that guy. She was, but there was this, she was. But see, in my religion, there's zero problems with this.

Okay. For, I'm a religious person. Uh-huh. And for what we're doing, there's no shame. There's no. guilt. There's no like, oh, God's going to be mad at you. For her, she still had a residual. She loved it. Don't get me wrong. She, at the point when we start moving towards divorce and we got divorced for,

it had nothing to do with the lifestyle for me. I know because I was the one to ask for the divorce and I had nothing to do with what was going on in lifestyle. But when we start moving towards the end of that, she was directing shit. Like the last orgy we had, she was the director. She was like, okay, there was more women than guys. She was like, okay, you eat my pussy. You do this. You do this to this guy. She was just, oh, she was gone, but she's still in the back of her mind, which it's all done and you're back at home. And the glit and the glamour and the nostalgia wear off

and you're at home drinking coffee and trying to go to work, she kind of bothered her a little bit. She wasn't 100, which is fine, you know? Yeah. She needed to process that. She needed to kind of really see, what do I really want? How do I want to approach it? But she'd always be down to go back because she did enjoy it a lot

when she was there. I mean, that's what it sounds like. From what I understood, she went wild for a while and kind of discovered herself after she got divorced. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So she's, she's involved in the community. I don't know much about it because I'm in a different community. She was involved in what I call a half and half community. So when we first got in, being curious, I did, we went to this club called Club Joy. We did this in Los Angeles. I live in the Pacific Northwest now, but we did this in Los Angeles. And so when we went there, we met a couple, an interracial couple, and they introduced us to what I call a half and half Facebook group, which is half vanilla, people who were, you know, lifestyle adjacent, lifestyle friendly, lifestyle understanding, and then lifestyle people. Well, that's just not my jam. There's a lot of innocent confusion, I'll call it that.

there's a lot of innocent, lack of clarity in those communities. I can imagine. That's her jam because there's not a lot of pressure. You could go to reinvent and never touch anybody, but at least it's cool because there's sex, you know, there's sex going on or people are naked or people are talking about it freely, you know. And so that wasn't my jam, but it really worked out for her.

She loved that community. And obviously for other people because that community exists. So for people that never really want to get further into it and fully commit, there is a community called half. I've never heard of that, a half and half community. No, no, that's what I call it. The Facebook group now, actually, I don't know, I'm going to say it, because it's gone, but it's called the Red Room. It was called the Red Room, right? And there's probably a thousand Facebook groups called the Red Room, right?

But this one was based out of North Carolina, and the group kind of spread. It's mostly in the south, but there were people from all over the country. And there was a few people, even from Australia and Canada. other countries. They were a cool group. It was nothing wrong. I called them half and half because they literally were like, this is like I would ask questions or have concerns.

And they're like, remember, dude, this is not a lifestyle group. This is an open-minded group. So we do have lifestyle people in here. And the owner of the group was lifestyle and his wife. But there was a lot of vanilla women in there. They were looking for, you know, let's have fun now. But when it gets serious, let's make it a monogamous. relationship, you know, and that just wasn't my jam. So what, so how did you guys progress? I mean, it's

though that you guys did progress. I mean, you said your last orgy you had. So you were doing, I mean, after she fucked that bull, you guys were progressing into it pretty hardcore considering you're doing orgies and do all this kind of stuff with her. Like, how long did you guys play for? While you were married? How many years? Five years. Okay. So you were like very into it. I mean, you did, you've been there, done that in those five years. Well, I knew I was into it from day one. I just had to go. I had to learn how to properly. So I believe in this. You go at the slowest person space. Of course. Yeah. So I had to learn that. So it took you. But yeah, we progressed from, you know, real conservative, just soft swap, threesomes, slow, you know, don't get too involved to, yeah, one or two orgies. Now, what we're doing now would be considered all damn near vanilla. So compared to what we do now, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's your first marriage.

But we could get to your second one because that's the one that's like you go, you do even more hardcore stuff. But like, so after that five years, you guys, you guys get divorced. How long after, but do you stay in the lifestyle single before you meet your current wife? What did you do after you? I knew. Yeah. So when I first met that bull, that was maybe six months into six or seven months into my lifestyle journey.

with my first wife so in the lifestyle so I knew 100% I wanted to be a bull okay so after I kind of got settled and you know and process the emotion and got and I got started listening to the Keys and Anklets podcast by Michael C yeah and he teaches a lot on how to be a good proper intelligent well-rounded value adding high-quality bull and I'm just listening to him. There's another guy, A. Z. Jigolo, he no longer podcast. He had this Staggs stable podcast. Really great. He's a doctor, bodybuilder, very highly intelligent bull out of Arizona. And I just listened to them. I read a few books. And I went out there and became a bull for you. Wow. And how did you do that? Like, did you go on an app and put yourself out there? And then

how did you vet couples and everything? I got a lot of results. from adult friend finder. Oh, interesting. In my area, adult friend of finder was the thing. Okay. In both Southern California and the Pacific Northwest, adult friend of finder was the business.

And so I found one couple, and they were kind of, the first couple was a high level couple. And I kind of wasn't with everything they wanted to do, but they were super cool because they knew, you know, I was a new bull. But the second interesting thing was I ran into a black cuck.

And that blew my mind. But it kind of made me feel more comfortable because he was from Southern California. And, well, he was in Southern California for a long time. And he was really cool. And he kind of helped me cut my teeth on cucks and dealing with cuckold couples. So it was really fun. Which is a little different than the Stag Vicks and couples and stuff like that, right? I mean, there are degrees of that kind of stuff when it comes to couples if you're full, right? Yes. Walk me through, though, that first experience with that you said like a high level couple. What does that mean? They're like super hot.

They're like super experience. Like what was that, what went down with that couple? Paint the picture. Yeah. So the looks I don't, I don't include in high level. It's all about the experience and the vibe.

Oh, okay. So they were like killer couple, right? They were like good in bed, a couple. Yeah, they knew what they wanted. Yeah. They had a lot of experience. They were at the point where the cuck is willing to clean up.

The cuck is willing to fluff the bull. The cuck is willing to get pigg. By his wife or dominatrix or a cuck sitter, you know, they were even open to being owned. Like, they were high level, and I didn't understand a lot of that in the beginning. So they just kind of, you know, walked you through it? I mean, how would that first? That's what I was going to say, that first experience, like what went down. Was he the black cuck that sat there and watched or no?

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I mean, how would that first, that first, that first, that's what I was going to say, that first experience, like what went down. Was he, was he the black cuck that sat there and watched or no? No, no, no. Okay. That was the second one.

Okay. So in that first experience, your first couple, like what exactly went down? They actually, the funny thing is they were kind of having a problem. They ended up getting divorced, but they were having an issue in the beginning. And they knew I was new.

So they were, this guy was a football, ex-football player. I mean, this guy's maybe six, four, 300 pounds, linebacker. And his wife, I like him tall and curvy. His wife is beautiful, tall, curvy. I met them in a hotel. And I'm from Southern California. I'm from, you know, I'm a little jittery. So I'm like, I'm checking.

I'm in the hotel. I'm checking under the bed, even though there's nothing under the hotel bed. Yeah. I'm checking in the closets. I'm like, I'm kind of concerned. Like, are this guy going to get behind me? and do something crazy, you know, I wouldn't let them behind me, you know. Yeah.

But they just kind of set me at ease and they said, we understand, do what you need to do to feel comfortable. And they were just like, we're ready to go. I wanted to, you know, from learning from the podcast, you know, people like Michael C and Mr. Moka from the OFaces podcast, these are all of my mentors, they're like, sit down, talk to them, you know, get to know them. Exactly. Ask questions, you know, really know the couple that you're dealing with so you can bring

a higher level of experience. I was doing that. They're like, where you're going to do? Let's just go. Let's take our clothes on. Let's go. And I was like,

really. And he just sat in the corner like they sold in the parlor. They just literally sat in the cook chair like they show in the pornoes and started masturbating while I did my thing. And he would get up and I would just say, hey, now behind me. I didn't want anybody behind me at that point. But,

and he would just masturbate and, you know, his wife started, you know, demeaning him and putting his down for his penis eye because this guy is a big, tall guy with a micro penis. So, yeah, it was cool. I went to the hotel and did that thing. And they kind of started having problems right after that.

I don't think it was involving me at all. They were, you know, they had many experiences. You know, they said it was just kind of their own thing, having their own issues. And I continued to play with her for a while, long, actually, for a long time after. And then while they went through their divorce. And then at a certain point, she just kind of, the divorce got kind of tough, so that fade out. But, yeah, that was my first experience. And then you find the elusive black cuck is what you said, right?

That came next. And they found you on an adult friend finder too? Yeah, he approached me an adult friend. The way he is, he's so, he's funny because he's big into a sport, I won't say, because if I describe him, people know what I'm talking about. He's another athlete, like famous person? Anywhere near his town or anywhere near anything, you'll know this guy, you'll know. So he's loud, he's boisterous. He's like, he smokes maybe 10 blunts a day.

Okay. So he would, he'd call you over the house and his wife needed so much external processing and so much time. He'd call you over to the house at maybe 6 o'clock. You wouldn't start playing until maybe 1 or 2 o'clock in the morning. Wait, wait. So what would he say to you? Like, listen, you got to do, the foreplay for my wife is like, you have to have dinner with her or watch a show. Like, what are you doing for all those hours?

No, no, literally, he would smoke weed and talk the entire time. And when I say the entire time, I don't mean, like, oh, he would, you know, ask you how your day was or ask you a question and let you answer and then start talking. I mean, I mean, he would just talk. And I don't mean, like, oh, he would talk a lot and then take a break and watch TV or talk a lot and take a break and do. I mean, talk. I mean. So it sounds more like he needed it. He needed the foreplay, not his wife.

Like, this sounds like it was for him. And I feel like he was probably just nervous. Yeah, maybe. He knows. Yeah. But the cool thing is the first day we met, he was like, you know, can I say the N word here? Because I just like, I just really want to kind of do.

I fucking hate that word, but you can if you want. Okay, yeah. No problem. I'm just telling you how he said it. He was like, okay, look at me. There's what I do, nigga. You got to fuck my wife. Okay.

You fucking my wife? Yeah, man. I'm trying to do my best. You know, I'm experiencing. No, okay, are you going to fuck my wife? Like, for real, you fucking my wife? Yeah, man, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna get this done. And a lot of guys who would bother them, but I just thought it was fascinating.

Yeah. Some of my mentors would be like, dude, I'm not the best for you. Thank you so much. Was he a newbie, do you know? Like, was he new at this? Do you know what his deal was? No, this is his personality. Oh, okay, this is his way.

Okay, cool. That's just who he is as a person. This is who he is all the time. This is if he's in a cuckold situation, if he's talking to you about, regular Tuesday. He, that's just who he is. Okay, he's a little manic. But I, I thought it was fascinating. Yeah. I thought it was just amazing. His wife, him and his wife would get into arguments because she's like, can you let me get a word in edgewise? He'd laugh and then keep talking. Oh my God. But what would happen? When you go up to the bedroom, would he shut the fuck up and sit there and watch? Like,

what would go down? Oh, okay. When he went to the bedroom, okay. He became a damn near a sissy cook. Wow. Interesting. Masturbating, asking, can you do this? this baby do you do this and his dick is not that smaller than mine it wasn't about size or anything it wasn't about how well he can fuck he really just wanted a bull to take the lead and take charge and do some of the things that either didn't know how to do or wasn't willing to do or and he really just wanted to sit there and admire his wife's facial expressions and her toes curling and her opening up in a way that she doesn't open up to him you know because he talks too much yeah oh my god so funny yeah and how Was it like, you know, did you enjoy like that, that dynamic, like the guy being a sissy cuck there while you're taking his wife?

Like, did you get off on that? Oh, hell yeah. And it fascinated the fuck out of me. It was like, it was like, what is going on here? And I thought it was dope. Like, this guy. And I, because I have the same feelings. Like, I always would be like, I, you know, I wish, even.

looking in the mirror wasn't good enough for me, but I'm like, I wish I can see my wife's expression or the person I'm playing with when I'm playing with them and I'm pleasing them. I want to see the, I can see your facial expressions, well, maybe I don't see your toes curling. Right. I may I don't see your ass clenching or maybe I don't see the, maybe I'm, because maybe I'm looking back at your toes curling, but I don't see your eyes roll in the back of your head, you know? Like, and so looking at it from afar, and her name is Siren for a reason, and in her screaming and enjoying her being pleased.

And I was like, oh, I get this. So he would, that's the only time he would shut up. That's the only time he would be submissive. That's the only time he would take direction. And it was a fascinating to me. And then the meet other men that do that all the time from start to finish. Yeah, I loved it. Yeah.

Okay. So now you're like being, now you're like a bull. You're getting, now on adult friend finder as a black guy on there looking for couples. Like, were you getting inundated with a lot of couples? Like, is that like, you know, because I wonder, like, because sometimes certain people find it hard to get what they're looking for on apps. But, like, as a bull, are you getting bombarded by couples that want you to join them? Compared to now with my wife, who is an incredibly good wing woman,

my squad, my community, my abilities, I wouldn't call it going crazy. But for me back then, compared to what I was doing, I went. crazy and I was flooded. Yeah, that's what I would think. All the time. Yeah. Now, some of those guys are guys that are in the blind and they haven't even talked to their wives.

Oh my God. They meet up with you and they want and they say, well, tell the truth. My wife doesn't know. My wife's not involved. Can you help me convince him? Oh my God. If you don't get out of my fucking face with that. You know, but yeah, it was, I had plenty of dates.

I had plenty of experiences. And where I live, there wasn't a lot of black men. So I did have, you know, I did, I did have a lot of great choices and I did, well, I was able to meet a lot of great couples and, you know. Let me ask you this. You did say, you did throw in there like, oh, the guy didn't mind fluffing. Like, are you the type of guy that'll let a guy suck his dick if like in the middle of it or whatever? Like, how do you feel about that kind of action? Because I know that sometimes some cucks want to get involved. Even some stags. I mean, I just, you know, is, are you, what, like, how do you feel about that kind of stuff? So first I'll say the community is amazing and there's all kinds of bulls that do all kinds of things. Yeah. And it's all great. And I really want to plug a thing called Utopia.

It's something that Michael C puts on. I'm not really involved in it anymore, but it is only for cuckold couples. And that's where you can really, a couple can really let themselves go and be themselves and do those things. But no, I don't. I've tried it. I'm not. I will try anything twice. Well, not anything, but I've tried it and it's not for me.

Well, listen, how else would you know? Like, the fact that you actually even just tried it to make sure is like you got your fucking answer. So you just not into it. Because you tried it. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, okay. Why not?

Let's see. But there's plenty of guys that do that. And there's nothing wrong with it, in my opinion. Yeah. And it's, you know, to each his own, to my opinion. And I have a lot of great friends that they will take a cuck all the way. Yeah. No problem.

Yeah. You know? Including fucking the cuck. Yeah. I've heard it. I know. And dominating him. Yeah.

Of course. Yeah. What, what better way to dominate a cuck than the fucking give him some back shots, you know, while his wife in the corner humiliating him, you know? Oh my God. Did you, let me ask you this. Compared to like, like, if you had to, like, if you had two couples, I wanted to fuck you

in one night, one was just like regular stag fix it and one was a cuck, you know, sissy boy. Did you enjoy the cock? experiences a little bit more because of like those extreme dynamics or were both equally as satisfying? Well, I'll answer it this way. Vib, vibe, vibe, vibe, vibe. It's kind of like real estate. It's location, location, location. In this community, it's vibe, vibe, vibe. Yeah, that makes sense. So are there people that before cucks over cucko couples over stag vix and yes. Are there people that won't even mess with a unicorn? Yes. Are there couples that only do the, are there's bulls that only do the extreme cuckold couples? Yeah. You know, for me,

it's not about scat vixen, single cuckold. It's about the vibe that they're respectful. Yeah. They know what they want at least to the point of I want you to lead and I'll submit or these are my boundaries, respect those or let's go on this journey together. It's always about the vibe because there's bad cuckold couples and there's amazing stag vixing couples. Yeah, that makes sense. So, so, stag mixing couples and there's amazing cuckled couples. So, you know, if you go on vibe and you, there's unicorns that really don't get it. They're more because they're single. They're more of an issue because they're really in the back of their mind looking for a relationship and they're going to lie and say they're okay with the situation or say that they understand what it is. You know, so it's really not about the dynamic to me. It's about the vibe and the values of the, of the person you're in our. acting with. Yeah, that makes sense. Let's get to the point where you meet your girl. I mean, so, you know, you're doing the bull thing. You're having all these great experiences with couples. When do you meet Siren and how? So the context of that is I was in the middle of trying to do

poly, actually. Oh, my God, you will try anything once. Yeah. Yeah. I had a sub at that time, and I was trying to get her to get along with another girl that I was kind of talking to you, And that did not work. And I was kind of in that process. I'm interacting with couples. And what I would do is whenever I had a great time, you know, I had my own place I could host, but I wasn't hosting at that time. Most of the time I wanted to meet up at a hotel. So I would keep the key cards, right?

And that will come up later. So I would keep the key cards in my window seal. So I met my current wife on Bumble. and I knew she was amazing, the one for me, even though I, you know, I just got out of previous marriage a year and a half ago, I think, or a year ago. And I was like, this woman's incredible. She's amazing. I know it already. And so, you know, we're going to take this to a certain direction. And so maybe about two weeks later, I introduced her to it. I said, look, this is who I am. It's a part of me. and so we had that conversation, we would talk about it, and we talked for a while.

I try not to pressure her, I try, or make her feel pressured. I never pressured her, but I tried to make sure that she didn't feel pressured. And maybe she did, maybe she didn't,

but I made a concerted effort about that. And then we talked, and I would answer her questions, and she eventually was like, you know what, I really just need to hear this from a female's perspective. And she had a friend

who was on a Facebook group, I think, that would tell all these wild, crazy stories. And she was like, cool. You know, she didn't have a problem with any of my answers. It sounds good, you know? Because the first thing any woman's going to ask is, well, you just want this so you can get a pussy. Like, you know, you're not going to want to see me get railed.

And I'm like, no, I do want to see you get railed, you know. I do want to see you enjoy yourself. But I love that she went for like an outside opinion instead of just like, you know, you know, that she went and found that girl from the community to give her the female perspective. That was smart. Yeah, that's exactly. She's like, I needed to hear it from a female's perspective. Yeah, I love that. You know, and the, and the girl fortunately echoed pretty much everything I said. You know, like, hey, this is ethical. Hey, we go at the slowest person's pace. Yeah.

We communicate highly about everything. You know, you, you have, you know, you, I'm going to, if I need to stop mid-stroke because you feel uncomfortable or you want to, you know, you, something's wrong. I'll do that. And, you know, you know, And then once he had talked to her friend and her friend kind of validated what I was saying, she was like, okay, bet, let's go. That's how my wife is. Wow. My wife will, you know, yeah, she'll drill you. She'll ask questions.

She'll meditate on it. But once she's decided, she's like, let's go. Well, I was in the middle of some business deals. And I was like, well, I could do some things, you know, in the South and down in Alabama. on, you know, because I was going to take her to club Sapphire in Washington. And she was like, let's go. Well, I kind of needed, she had planned to go out there. I kind of needed to reschedule.

So she was like, fucking, I'm just going to go anyway. And so she just went out there because she's a traveler. She likes to travel. She owns her in business. And she had the freedom to just kind of, you know, dump up and go where she wants when she wanted to. So she went out there and kind of chilled and drove by the club. She didn't go in.

And then after that, I took her to a club and that she was done. She was like, she went buck while. We went buck while that first night. She wasn't like my ex-wife. She wasn't like, oh, I need to take it slow and do some soft. And she jumped in that night. And the rest is history. Oh, wow.

And so everything went. And then what did she realize she was into? Because this is all new for her. Like, we know that you're going to enjoy seeing her with the guy and everything. Like, did she love seeing you fuck another girl? Did she love fucking another guy? for you? Like, what was she into and what went down? Yeah. Well, she had already gone through kind of a journey, you know, married. And she talks about this on her podcast. Going up, you know,

her parents weren't, like, bad about her or anything. But, you know, she grew up sexually conservative in a very religious, conservative community, and a household. So then she went through that first marriage, and then she realized, you know what, I like black men. So while she was single, she kind of really lean mostly, not all the time, but mostly towards black men. So she knew she was, she knew she had that preference. And then she really kind of loved the fact that you're sexually free here. Because that's not something she never experienced. Or if not ever, maybe she experienced it here and there.

But she wasn't used to like, yeah, I'm equally enjoying now. Now I don't now because I'm kind of picky on who I like to watch play with her. Because if you're kind of an mid guy, the mid's not a bad thing. It's like if you're new and you're not, like you see, professional like us, and you're not into the entire process,

maybe you're just having a great time and she's having a great time. That's fine. But I'm not really interested in watching that. But, you know, I'm like, she's like, wait a minute, you don't mind me doing it.

You enjoy me doing it. And you're happy to see me doing it. Once you realize that she can kind of go a buck wild and explore black men in a way that she's never had, but always wanted to, without judgment. And without me turning around and getting insecure, oh, you know, like, you know, I have a pretty

decent side dick, you know, I am a BBC. I qualify as BBC, trust me. But there's some third-like motherfuckers around here, you know, there's some, you know, there's some, you know, I feel lightheaded when the dig gets hard type of guys, you know. Oh, my God. And she wanted to explore that. And she wanted to explore different because she likes nerdy guys, you know, and then, but she wanted to explore the popular guys. And the. muscular guys. So she went buck wild. She went crazy and I loved every minute of it.

Yeah and she did and obviously she didn't have that kind of regrets like your wife did or anything like that right. I mean she was the first wife right? She was the she was when she committed she was into it. It once and that's her. Once she decides she's doing something she is

falls to the wall jump into the deep end you know head first you know and see what happens you know Yeah. And then did you continue to be a bull? Like did you like did you did you continue to be a bull like after you were with her? I'm glad you asked that. I didn't. Because remember rule number one to me is well, I don't know about number one, but go at the slowest person's pace. I stepped back from it for a while to give her the chance to kind of allow us just to kind of do things together. Yeah, of course. And kind of do things and figure out what she was. wants and me to explore, you know, trying the four-way connection, which was really even harder for

us and taking her to gangbangs or, you know, she did gang bangs? She did gang bangs. She loved them. Really? She jumped in there. That was her thing. It was like, let's go. She's the type of woman where it's like, let's go. She's like, some guy can be hitting it from behind and she's like, I don't have a dick in my mouth. What's the what's going on? You guys are slipping on your Pimpin, what are you be doing? You know? Yeah. And so, yeah, but then she kind of realized, these guys are great.

These guys are wonderful, but I really just like black men. And I had the can tell her, sit her down one day and said, Mommy, come on, you're a QOS. It's okay. You're not judging white people. You're not a racist. You're not judgmental. It's just your preference. Yeah.

And just roll with it. Doesn't mean every now and again, we have some white friends that we really cool with that she really buys with and that those guys are just, smooth and cool and they know what they're doing. She might interact with them or she might see a really hot Latin dude. It's not like she's one of the QOSs that are like, oh, don't even suggest it. Like why, you know, get that pink penis out of my face? That's not her, you know?

So, yeah, she just, she loves it. She's kind of, she's exploring right now, you know, getting flown out, getting spoiled, getting taken care of. Oh, so you let her play, like she plays solo and you're down for that. that like that's the stag in you that's what stag vixins most of them allow their couple their spouse to place yeah so that's your stag vixen part of your relationship how long you've been with her by the way we've been together uh up to coming up four years now okay lifestyle like three and a half okay so now when you did tell her about your bull experience did she say oh i wouldn't

want you to go play solo with couples without me because you she plays with guys you just wanted to stop. Well, it was just understanding that she needed to discover some things. She needed to know that I'm going to come back home to you. Yeah. That you're my world. You are, she is my wing woman. We're partners in crime. We do everything together. And I needed to know that. So did I want to? Yeah. Did I talk about doing it? Yeah. But I tried my best to make sure that she was comfortable. So I did step away for a little bit. until she felt more comfortable, and now I'm back in it for you. Oh, you are?

Yes. Oh, so you do the bull thing. Eventually, you started back into that after keeping it up for a while. Yeah. Oh, okay. And she goes and fuck skies when she wants to get flown out, does her thing as well. And you get off. Now, let me ask you when she does.

And she's a cuck sitter, too. What does that mean a cuck sitter? What's a cuck sitter? Oh, wait a minute. You, wait. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I have not heard that. There's something you haven't heard of.

I haven't heard of half the things you've talked about. You're coming back on my show again to talk bigger picture. You can teach me a lot, half and half communities. I love all your terms. Yeah. I'll let her get into a lot of the details. But what happens is, is sometimes the cuck has cuck angst. And he is so anxious.

And he's just in the corner so like sitting on his hands and jittery that he wants a woman who's kind of a little bit more dominant to sit with him. Now it could be as, is, as smooth as just sitting there and whispering his ear and keeping him calm and saying, don't you like the way you're, you know, you're a woman's being, you know, treated or railed or it can all the way do, it could all the way go to is like a dominatric situation where she's getting, he's getting flogged and punished and he's on his knees and he's being told to do while I'm doing my thing. But the first time she did it, I was so mesmer. us because I'm a dominant position person, right?

I am the bull. I am the head of household. I am the man. I'm him with our relationship. I don't allow her to dominate me in any way. And she doesn't want to dominate me in any way. But when I saw that come out of her, when I tell you, I had an extremely beautiful hot wife in front of me.

Oh, my goodness. She's my top. She's tall. She's curvy. She's algaoussy. She is Jessica Rabbit. And that mesmerized me. But I could not take my eyes off my wife.

Number one, my wife is Jessica Rabbit. Yeah, that's right. She's just curvy and banging and just amazing, you know, to me. And seeing her do that and the cuck she was doing it with, you know, this is a 6-1. He's not an intimidated type of guy. He's in an industry that, trust me, he has no problems defending himself or standing up for himself, you know, I told you what he did. Yeah. You know, and to see

those two together, we could not concentrate. So, we had to let them leave and go to another hotel room while I take care of his wife. Oh my God, that's the cock and the cock sitter left. Yes, because I could not get it up. I was just like, can you believe this woman? What is she doing? Who is this woman?

Oh, my God. And his, so what? So what she did, and she was trained by Michael C again to what Cucksitting was and how they approach it. And what they want. Yeah. So you sit down with the wife and you ask their preferences and how do you want these and what are your boundaries and what can I can't I do? What are his fantasies? And she ceremoniously, and this is a beautiful thing, took her key off and handed her the key and says, now I, you know, allow you to have this power while I'm playing. with your husband. It was beautiful. And so she did. She took over the whole thing. And at the end of the

night, you know, he's drinking, he's, uh, drinking squirt and premature ejaculating and having the time of his fucking life. Oh my God. Your wife squirt? Oh, but does my wife squirt? Oh my God. When we were coming up with her nickname. Yeah. I wanted to, I wanted it to be puddles. Oh. Oh, my God. That's fucking funny. You can name your dog puddles. Nobody will know. She was like, no, that's a good name. That's fucking funny. Oh, my God. You put in a glass and make him drink it.

Wait, you did say something about the keys. Like, you mentioned keys a long time ago in the thing. You're like, oh, I'll remember that because it's important. It comes up later. Is it like, do you have a key thing with your wife? So, yeah, what happened is the first time I brought it over and we were actually going to have sex. Yeah. Because he made me wait for two weeks, believe it or not.

Oh, one week. She's correcting me. No, one week. Okay. When I brought her into the room, again, I had those keys in there, the key cards for the hotel. And she's like, ooh, what is that about? And I'm just like, oh, you don't want to know. And she's like, oh, yes, I do.

And I told her, well, you know, do you know what a cuckold couple is or a bull? She's like, yeah, when, you know, a bull takes a guy that wants to watch his wife get fucked. And I say, yeah, that's what I do. And she's like, really, tell me more about it. And she was really fascinated by it. And it really kind of opened up things for us. You know, she knew that she wasn't ready for me to jump back into it. But she was really fascinated by it.

It really turned her on. And she really had a lot of respect for it. So, yeah, it was something that really opened the door for us. Just that, communicating about it and being open. Because you were open and honest with her, like right from the get-go about everything that you were into. I mean, at that point in your life, would you have been with somebody that was like purely vanilla anyway, considering how. into the lifestyle you were? At that time,

the door was a little, the door was closed but unlocked. Now it's locked, shut, bolted, all the things, the keys thrown away, you know,

the secret combination. But yeah, I was like, look, this woman is so special if she said she didn't want to be in the lifestyle. I said this and I probably shouldn't have said it this way.

Like, looking back now, I'm like, what woman emotionally would have wanted to hear this. But I was like, look, it's like removing my arm,

but I love you so much, I will remove it. If you won't do. But you didn't have to. That's a terrible thing to say. Yeah. You know, but I probably shouldn't have said it that way,

but it was the truth. That's how I really felt. Yeah. But she was like, no, I don't want to do that to you, you know, so,

you know, it was opened up. But I was willing to at that time. And now, do you guys go to clubs and parties and all that kind of good stuff now? Is that how you guys roll?

Her biggest thing, and our biggest thing is splash mocha events. Yeah, I've heard of those. Yeah. Yeah. And so that is where black men are celebrated. A lot of bulls and individual black men and some interracial couples go for hot wives, cuckold couples, tagnics, and couples to focus and be dominated by black men. She loves that. Yes, we do go to, again, before that, we used to, we went to almost every club where we can do, you know, clubs in Portland, clubs in Seattle, clubs in L.A., clubs in Texas, clubs here. We live in our little small town. So, yeah, we do a lot of that, but

art we just got back from Splash Moka and Houston, so yeah, we literally love it. Now, I'm going to start expanding out to going to cruises and other things, especially for the podcast, meeting new people. Yeah, that's fun. Yeah, I have a guest, Crimson, who loves Splash Moka. She was the first one that talked about,

and she goes to all those events and tells me all those stories. I mean, how many times do they, or is that like a once-and-a-month thing or like a quarterly thing? like how, like, when do they throw those splash mocas? Because they're all over, right? They're all over. They're in four cities. Houston, Atlanta, Fort Lauderdale, and Orlando.

The swing of capitals. Yeah. You go to three of them. Oh, wow. And how do people find out about those kinds of things? Like, where would people find out? Like, I always think, like, someplace like... It's word of mouth.

You know, they have a website, but they don't, they don't advertise. It's word of mouth. It's 100%. And they're sold out. Listen, they're sold out. Listen, they're so... sold out, like, months in advance. Like, they're probably sold out. Houston just finished last, this, this coming Saturday night. They probably sold out for Atlanta, which is not

until March of next year. Already. They probably sold on already. Wow. Yeah, I've heard about those parties. They're in high demand. And anyone who's told me about them, like, fucking loves them. You know, and they've painted the picture and told me what goes down. It's pretty hardcore. We are, you know, I know one of the owners really well. We're acquainted with some of the other ones. It's run really well. These are real bulls and real people are in the lifestyle. One of my pet peeves, and I want to call it pet peeves. It's just not my vibe. And we know people in the industry, but there's a lot of podcasters out there that are podcasting all the time about this lifestyle. And they play maybe once a month. And there's nothing wrong with that. And I are good friends with some of them. them. Yeah. But we are sport fuckers. We are in this 100. I love that. By the way, I've never been to a club or done

anything. So what do you call me? I'm like, I've never done anything. And I've been talking about it for 11 years. But that's part of my charm. I'm just always like, oh my God. But I love, though, that you guys are really in it. And that's why it's great that you do have your podcast. Because I think that there are a lot of guys that, you know, try to fuck couples and they want to do stuff like that, you know, and they have no fucking clue. And when I say professional bulls, like, I have talked to, like, certain guys have called in who did become, quote, unquote, bulls. And there is an art to it. And people do have to learn how to do it the right way so that you do become the guy that

these couples, like, call back, you know, and so many of them do it wrong. So I think it's so important that, you know, not only are you playing and having fun, that you're teaching others how to do it the right way. Because I can tell you, like to talk. You're very good at talking. You're, like you said, you're a curious person. And like, that's the way you roll. And so it's, like, very natural for you to take your lifestyle and turn into a podcaster and then help other and talk about it and stuff.

I'll definitely have you back on to do like a, I do like Wednesdays. I do bigger picture stories. You know what I mean? Like episodes, you know, now that I have your whole life story, you could come back on and talk bigger picture because you're great at speaking. People should definitely check out your podcast. It's called the Bull Brotherhood. Bull Brotherhood. Why can't I fucking remember names?

I'm so bad. No, you got it right. The Bull Brotherhood. Bull Brotherhood. Yeah, the Bull Brotherhood podcast. It is a brotherhood for us. Yeah. It is a brotherhood.

You have Dimitri, who's one of the very involved in owners of Spash Moca. You have Michael C. Who's literally been called the godfather of Cucodry in the podcast world. Oh my God. I need all these guys on my show, all your friends. Well, let's get them on your show. Yeah. And they could keep promoting your, yeah, tell them to come on.

And the Splash Moca guy as well as Michael Cee, they both have two different topics to talk about, plus their whole live story and they can promote your podcast and that's the best way to promote it because people that listen to my show are definitely going to check out yours. So I will put a link to your podcast in the description and I definitely want your wife on. Okay. So have her use the link to book if she's down. Okay. And then we'll promote her podcast.

She would love to be on the show. Oh, okay. Awesome. So do that. Thank you. I'm definitely going to have you back on. You're great at talking. You've got a great voice.

So I'm sure your podcast is killer. So I'm going to put a link in the description. Do me a favor and send me some picks, you know, for my Patreon. You'll get free access to my Discord. you could go there and put your link to your podcast and your bio and stuff so people could go there and you could my discord is like super fun there's a lot of people on there you can promote or do whatever you want over there as well but send me some picks for my patreon and i'll post them up there too i always say for patreon uh you know r rated not x rated but if people will send me x rated so if i throw that stuff on to discord because my discord is a not safe for work site place but you'll get a free link to it when we get off the phone okay and then i'll give you free access to my patreon so you could see the comments and stuff when your episode airs, okay? That'll be great, thank you. Really appreciate you.

No, I'm so glad you called in finally. I mean, you've been listening to my show all this time with this whole fucking life story. I don't know why it took you this long to call into my show, but I'm glad you finally did. I was thinking that myself. Yeah, I've been listening to a show from junk. Yeah, I mean, come on when you're doing all this stuff, never thinking to share your story. But anyway, thanks for finally calling in and your episode will be up very soon. And get everybody else on, okay?

And good luck with your podcast. Hey, thank you so much. Okay. Bye, So, okay, thank you so much. Thanks for having me on. Bye. Bye.

Bye. Bye. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that I do have a book coming out of the book is called Shirkly Nonmus Confessions, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. The book is basically seven different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like, there's a hot wife story.

There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuckold story. There's a gang bang, girl story. Like I said, 17 stories. and they're all told in the third person, right? So I took the interview and I rewrote it in the third person. I wouldn't call it like an erotica book, though there's plenty of sex in there, right? But I didn't write it to sound like erotica because that's like the vibe of my show. You're going to learn a lot.

You're probably going to get a little turned on. It's a different way to hear these stories, like I said, because they're written out in third person. There's an e-book available if you don't want your partner to know that you're reading my book. Get the e-book. It's available. There will be an audiobook available very soon after it comes out. I did not narrate it. I was going to, but I passed on it because I sucked at the job. Okay, I couldn't do it at all, but I got a hot check to narrate the book. So you're going to dig the audiobooks. If you buy my book in any format, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. That is my gift to you for getting my book. My Discord does not disappoint, okay? There's no way you'll get the Discord and go in there and be like, oh, this sucks.

okay, it's like pretty amazing. There's tons of people on there and everybody shares content with each other. That's what's great about Discord. You get to post your own videos and pictures and there's tons of channels and we have contests over there. It's a super fun place to be. I will be giving anyone that buys my book at any time access to my Discord. It is private. It's the only way you could get in is through me giving you the link and that's why I think my my Discord is so great because I have vetted people. It's not like it's just open to the public. So everybody that's in there are people that listen to my show and people that listen to my show are fucking great. So my Discord is and gray. My book is great. You're going to love it. If you buy it, all you got to do is send me the receipt or a picture of proof that you bought it, and I will give you free access to my Discord. Send it to Strictly Anonymous Podcasts. Gmail.com. You could find my book in the link in the description,

okay, or just Google it, strictly anonymous confessions, secret sex lives of total strangers. You can find it anywhere. You buy books. Send me the picture and I'll give you access to my Discord email, strictly anonymous podcast.g.com. Anyway, thanks so much for listening. Okay, I just want to tell you, Before you go, that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers, is now available not only in paperback and e-book, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show.

Like, there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck story. There's a gang being girl story. Like I said, 17 stories. And they're all told in the third person. And they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person. And I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories. 17 of them. They're really. short chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format. And finally, the audio book is available coming out August 25th. But you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint. Okay. There's no way you get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay.

I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other. And that's what you get to do there. You can post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you can win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be.

It's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private, like I said. all you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook, the ebook or the paperback. Send it to me at Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com. That's strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com. And I will send you the link to Discord.

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