Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1294 - Mr. Mocha was a Stud for Couples and Now he's Swinging with Mrs. Mocha

Episode Date: December 3, 2025

Mr. Mocha was a stud for couples and now he's swinging with Mrs. Mocha and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including how he wound up banging his co-workers wife in his twenties and exactly what went down, the next guy who asked him to bang his wife and what went down including exactly how he cucked the guy, the swinger club experiences he had early on and what would go down while he was there, the first adult website he went on and how and why he wound up meeting up with couples and got more into the lifestyle, how he met Mrs. Mocha and how they wound up in an open relationship together, the first threesome with a woman they had and how and why she got jealous and how they got through it, their first threesome with a guy and how that went down, what his wife enjoys in the lifestyle the most now, how and why they now play solo plus everything else they're into doing, his podcast Orgasm face and what they discuss plus a whole lot more. YOu can find his podcast here: https://bit.ly/4pJp5yU GET A COPY OF MY BOOK! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY HERE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To see HOT pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712  Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show." Want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. All voices are changed.  Sponsors:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://motorbunny.com/strictly⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Black Friday Sale PLUS $50 off! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://butterwellness.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Use the code STRICTLY at checkout for 30% OFF your entire order⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Get your first month of the new Bluechew Max FREE! Use code: STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://beducate.me/pd2536-anonymous⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Use code ANONYMOUS69 to get 50% off your yearly pass plus a 14-day money-back guarantee⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://vb.health⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — To get 10% off LOAD Boost by VB Health use code: STRICTLY ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.quince.com/strictlyanon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — For premium quality Quince clothing plus FREE shipping and 365 day returns! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://brooklynbedding.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Use my promo code STRICTLY at checkout to get 30% off sitewide⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠  Follow me! Instagram  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Everything else: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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How are you today? Well, thank you. How are you? Good. Listen, there's a Mr. Moka. There's a Mrs. Moka. And you do have a killer voice. And that's good because you do have your own podcast called the O-Faces podcast.

I'm like, what the fuck does the O-Faces? It was hard. The way it's spelled O-F-A, I got to give, I'll put a link to your podcast in the description, but it's really the orgasms face podcast. That's what it stands for. I was like, you should change that name because, like, What do you guys discuss on your podcast real quick, by the way, you and Mrs. Moka? You talk about all like non-monogamy.

You talk about it all like I do on my show. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Yeah, I love it. All lifestyle stuff. Yeah, because you guys are in the lifestyle, right? You are a guy that was single in the lifestyle, right? And now you're with Mrs. Moka, so you're married in the lifestyle. How old were you when you first got into the lifestyle?

So my introduction, I was 23. Oh, my God. And how old are you now? 47. Wow. And how long you've been married for or with Miss Moca? I always fail this question. Oh no. It's okay. Around. We've been together for 14, 15 years. Okay. That's a lot. But like I mean, okay, let's go back though to like single Mr. Mocha. You know, what got you into the lifestyle at such a young age, 24? So actually it was an accident. It was, it was an accident. I slipped.

and fell into it. I had a co-worker who I worked with and my co-worker, we went out and my coworker was like, and I'd work with him for a while. He's like, hey, my wife likes you. And I'm like, I like, I like her too. Yeah. I had no idea with what he was saying. He's like, no, she likes you. And I'm like, yeah, great. I like her too. And they were probably my, they were my age at the time. Oh, they were young. And so, so they were my, no, they were my current age. So they were in their mid-40s, mid-to-late 40s at the time. And she was, she was gorgeous. Everybody had a big crush on her. She was a, she was very much into fitness. So, you know, he knew everyone had a crush on her. So finally he goes, no, she likes you. And I'm like, oh shit, he thinks that I've been inappropriate with his wife.

I'm like, dude, I've never done any. He's like, no, no, no, that's okay. We're into that. And I'm like, wait, you're into what? He's like, no, no, we're into that. And then I'm like, dude, I don't fuck dudes. He's like, no, no, no. That's not what I'm saying. You are like the most, this is the most normal reaction from somebody being surprised by this lifestyle ever, because this is what most people would say and feel like if someone came to them with this at 24 years old. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, I was surprised. I didn't know how to respond. Of course.

You know, fortunately being a dude and his wife being so hot, you know, my higher function below my belt kicked in. And I was like, okay, yes, we'll do it. So that was my first experience is having a threesome with him and his wife. And then they just kind of introduced me. Like I was the, in my area, I was like the, I was the young black dude who they brought to their lifestyle parties. Yeah. And I was a hit. I was definitely happy to be included in this.

And that's where I started. And I was fortunate enough to learn to. to be introduced to it with a really open-minded, fun group of people. Because you kind of, in my opinion, you learn the lifestyle. Your first introduction to the lifestyle is kind of where you start, and you pick up bad habits or learn, get bad ideas by the person or the people that introduced you. So I was fortunate enough to be introduced by people who are like, oh, have fun. Yeah, but wait, we need more details.

Okay, you just jump through your whole life straight. okay like you meet this couple at work this guy's like I want you to fuck my wife which you like me and like most people like had no clue like was the kink that guys were into right you think the opposite right like you said like this guy's gonna be jealous if you're looking on his wife he wants you to fuck his wife in front

of him what was that experience like the first time what happened so so I'm allergic to cats so I literally ask everybody this question yeah because they wanted me to come back to their place and I'm like do you have cats they're like yes I like okay that won't work

because I'll be, you know, wheezing and sneezing on your wife. So we go back to my place. We get to my place and I'm going to tell you, I was terrified. I was absolutely terrified because if you all know what's going through my mind, in the beginning, I'm sitting there like, let's just keep in mind. I was 23 at the time. Yeah. So I'm like, is this guy going to try to surprise me and stick his finger on my butt or something?

Like, this can't be, like, it can't be this easy. You're not going to just let me fuck your wife. Yeah. So we get there and now this is the first time I've ever, like I'm about to get undressed with this dude staring at me. So his wife just gets naked and she's looking at me hungrily. And he's sitting there like, yeah, go ahead. And I'm like, what? So then he starts making out with her.

And, you know, I finally get undressed. And first time in my life, my dick was not cooperating at first. And I'm like, what the? You got to be kidding me. Yeah, how embarrassing. Well, it was, I was in my head. So she goes, hey, hey, it's your first time. Relax as normal.

And, you know, he sits down and she starts, you know, giving me a blowjob. And then it started working. And after that, you know, he's like, dude, relax. I promise I'm not going to try to touch your ass. He knew what you were worried about. He knew what I was worried about. So after that, it was, you know, we just, we kind of did heads and tails. So, you know, she was giving him head while I was fucking her from behind or vice versa.

He made sure that he kept a certain amount of physical separation, which made me comfortable. And then afterwards, he goes, hey, listen, make sure you don't tell us to any of guys at work or at the gym. Yeah. And I'm like, dude, I am not going to tell anything. anybody this. And so that was that was the first experience. And amazing. Let me ask you this. Okay. So like were you like did you realize like you like was it hot like you know having this guy watch you fuck his wife? Was it hot to see them fucking like was all like you know what was like the biggest part of or like the part of the scenario that you were like the most

down for like that turned you on the most all of it? wife that I had been fantasizing about for the last year. Oh. You'd been jerking off to his wife? Oh, we'd all been jerking off to his wife. So he was just. Guys are all jerking off to us on the side. Yes.

Yes, absolutely. You know, someone at your job had definitely rubbed a few out in your honor at some point. That's just how it works. And he worked with me. Yeah. And she would come to the job. And then we all worked out the same gym So the first time honestly

Had nothing to do with him and everything to do with I get to fuck this hot woman Yeah, you're nailing this girl that you've been fantasizing about And she's super hot And she's a milf, I mean, you know, like you're fucking scored As a 24 year old, you're living some like kind of dream That like doesn't happen to most guys at that age Yes

Yeah, for sure. Exactly. Okay, so now, so let's enter more into the light. So you keep sleeping with that couple, correct? I'm sorry? You kept sleeping with them? Yes. Yes.

So they actually, and they introduced me to their friend circle. Oh my God. So I was like literally. Yes, it was amazing. I was treated like a piece of meat and I loved every second. Only a guy would say that. Do you know what I mean? Like no guy cares about being treated like a piece of meat.

Why would you? Everybody wants to be treated like a piece of meat until they're treated like a piece of meat. Okay. As a woman, like I have this debate. the time. Yeah. If no one desired you, you'd want to be desired. Exactly. Exactly. No, I was happy to be desired. Yeah, they complain about guys cat calling, but it's like when they stop cat calling, you're going to be like, what the fuck? Why isn't anyone looking at me anymore? For sure. Yes, yes. So you started just like you got in the mix, you're like becoming a bull a little bit,

right? Like, did you know that term at that time? So I, so I didn't learn the term bull into years later. Okay. Which was another situation that was I was totally surprised and fell into. So I learned swinging. Yeah. I learned the concept. And back then, and this is going to age me a little bit, a lot of men would refer to guys like, oh, well, she's looking for a stud. Oh, that was a word?

That was a word that was used at the time. Yeah. So I learned about cuck holding. I used to do private security. and the guy I did private security for, and I've told this story a million times in my own podcast, but he was a dick to his wife. He was just mean.

And I felt terrible for this lady. And I've been doing security for a couple years for him, and he says, hey, yeah, I want you to, you know, I trust you. My wife has his fantasy. I want you to fuck my wife. Oh, my God. These guys, what do they smell on you

that they all offer you up to their wives? It's interesting, right? Because does this guy know that this is what you had done before? No, but they all know that I was very promiscuous. Oh, okay. I did personal security for him. So we were always in the clubs and he would see and we would talk. And I mean, I was always very promiscuous.

Okay. So he knew if he wanted a guy to fuck his wife, you were the guy. So here's another guy coming to you. Yes. But see, this was, this was weird because he was always so mean to his wife. Yeah. I'm like, dude, I'm not, that's, is that something she won or you want? Yeah.

And so he's like, no, listen, I got a girl. I want, she wants to see two people have sex and she may want to join in. So it was actually a situation where it was, we, we, I finally said yes, we go to a hotel. He got me there because he, I said that I would fuck the other girl. And if the wife wanted to interact with the other girl. So I've had sex with this. this blonde chick who was super hot that I don't know where he found her at but she was there I had sex he sat in a chair his wife sat on the bed and watched her and I have sex oh wow so interesting

what they wanted that's an interesting kink yeah so in the beginning the wife was kind of touching her I didn't touch her at all and so when we were done we're getting ready to leave and he was like hey hey wait hold on a second hold on so the girl leaves and then we step into the hallway he's like listen you know the wife the wife likes you she may want you know where you you know we play with her and i'm still in my head like this dude's a dick to his wife yeah like i need to make sure like i don't i don't want to be involved in some creepy shit i got i'm okay with some perverted shit but not creepy shit so i go in and she i was like she's got to tell me she's down with it and so we go on she's like yeah yeah i'd like to

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And then we step into the hallway. He's like, listen, you know, the wife, the wife likes you. She may want, you know, where you, you know, where you play with her. And I'm still in my head like, this dude's a dick to his wife. Yeah. Like, I need to make sure. Like, I don't, I don't want to be involved in. some creepy shit. I got it. I'm okay with some perverted shit, but not creepy shit. So I go in

and I was like, she's got to tell me she's down with it. And so we go on and she's like, yeah, yeah, I'd like to. So in hindsight, my brain identifies all these things. She tells him to go sit in the chair. In hindsight, that was the first time she'd ever given him any sort of command in any way she'd performed. So he sits in a chair and she's very attractive. And so I've been around this woman for a I've had to carry him, like physically carry him into their house when he was drunk. Oh my God. Is this guy like a famous person? Why are you doing security for him?

Is he like well known, wealthy? He was not famous, but he was very, very, very wealthy. Okay, cool. All right. Go on. So we get on the bed. So she's, you know, we're kind of touching. And she tells him to come here after I get naked.

And excuse me, we're finally having sex. Yeah. But, I mean, she's obviously not used to taking a big dick. So I'm going easy on her. So I have a doggy style facing him and she says, come here. Second order, didn't notice it. Guy pulls his pants down and he's got this little dick. And literally, she, like, she wants to suck his dick.

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I'm so sorry. And he's like, backing up, you know, with fucking, like pre-com leaking down his leg. And she is going off on this guy. Now, I've never seen this before in my life. It's like you're in the upside down world. You're literally like, yeah, this is like, what the fuck? This is not happening. Yeah. This is crazy. And I'm inside of her. And then keep, keep in mind, I'm a young man. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, I hope she don't fucking think she's going to talk to me like this. So like, I, like, so now I start like really fucking her like giving it to her and she's like tapping the bed

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I do security for him and all of his guys when they're in the country. Yeah. So now he's like, hey, hey, listen, you know, he talks with this slur. Hey, listen, listen, don't tell any fellas about this. You know, this is, you know, I'm the boss. They're not going to respect me. And I'm saying to myself, I don't know if I fucking respect you right now. I'm still like glazed over like, this is the crazy.

So now he's like, yeah, we're in the cuck holding. I had never heard the word before. This is the best cuckolding story I ever heard. I go straight home. I go straight home. It's probably two in the morning and get on me, go online and I'm researching cuck holding. So I go down the rabbit hole and, you know, back then it was just a bunch of different blog. So cuck holding, when you're looking at it, you're researching it from a thousand different vantage points of what different people see it as.

And I'm like, oh, that's what this is. Okay. I can do. And I'm very nerdy. Like, I'm a nerd. So I research all the way. I'm not sure how old you are. I'm from an age group of people who we had encyclopedias.

I'm not old too. We had the cross-reference stuff, you know, so never one source. So like I went all the way back to learn about the cuckold bird and all these different things. And I'm like, holy shit, this is amazing. And then I started, there was a club here in Atlanta. Then I started going to that club. What was the name of the club? Is it the one that I've always heard of?

You could say the name. Well, no, that one is shut down. Oh, okay. That was, it was the club that everybody knows about is trapeze. Yeah. But the club across the street from it was, oh. It's okay if you don't remember the name. But you like, so it is across the street from there.

And the funny thing is after that, I would go with him and his guys. and he when they were coming to the country you know what he do is get a bunch of his employees and they were going to the swinger club and two under private rooms and i would stand outside the door oh you that's how you work security so that so that was one of the many different things and these guys i'm not sure like how much can i like how much can i say on this anything like hardcore like he fucked they socked they cream pied like i'm down for at all okay all right cool It's, it, it's, it, what would happen is, it's a group of very wealthy, out of shape, hairy fucking guys. All right.

So, and on top of that, they're on substance. Yeah. So they're fucked up. Yeah. So he would come in, he come in, the first time he was like, look, these girls want to fuck. Do you want to fuck them? And I'm like, what? And so, I remember looking at.

into the room, and I can't make this up. There was this one girl who was sitting on the sofa between two guys, and she gives me the praying hands, like, please. Save me. So I go in and I wind up having sex with these girls. Yeah. You know, and so that was, so all of these things, just being in these environments and that club after that you know we'd go upstairs because they would pretend these girls were with them so you go back upstairs to the main area and they would be talking about me having sex with the girls and so then you'd have these other couples who were looking for a guy to have so you wind up getting having conversations and that was you and me going okay i like swingers clubs too

oh okay i enjoy these also yeah now you're going to go back when you're not hired to be there i mean because that's You wound up there because that was your job that night, but now you decide like you want to be in that world. So do you start going solo as a young guy? Yes, not to that club. I went to trapeze. Okay. My first time to trapeze by myself, terrified. Absolutely terrified.

I can imagine. Because I go in by myself. And the first time I went there, I didn't even have sex with anybody. I didn't have sex because I don't, I didn't know the rules. I didn't know what the rules were. I remember walking in and just going, this can't be real. And then trapeze, there's a nude area. And I regret this to this day.

Yeah. And this is like, I walk in, I go all the way back. I've got a towel on and there's a couple playing pool. Uh-huh. And there's this woman very, very attractive. I am a huge fan of large natural breast. So a little waist and huge natural breast, like I am, I'm lost. Yeah.

lady standing there towel wrapped around her raised her breast out with a pool stick and I'm walking past so she's backing up Like I can tell she's trying to intercept me so I like turn sideways and she pins me against the wall her ass on my dick And I'm looking at her husband who looks like a big ass cowboy and I'm like I don't want this guy fight trying to fight me while I'm naked that's all I can think I can't fight while I make it Yeah And so I like look at the guy with a plea for help of my my eye and I shit you not. Like he looks down at the pool table and aims his ball and shoots. And I like, and this is so embarrassing. Like, I've got this mental image of myself like running and

screaming trying to get away. Oh my. Oh, my hilarious. And just keep walking. And I like go into another area and I like stand it like, oh my God, what am I supposed to do? I need education. So that was my, I did not play my first time. Oh, but you wish that you had played with that woman. Oh, I wish I had to. She had the big 10s in the small waist. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so you eventually go back, right, and you start to play. Yes.

And like, were you being passed around to couples, too? Like, did you continue that role? So now after this, I start getting on my first website, I think, was SDC. No, my first website was AFF. Okay. I got on AFF. I got on SDC. And here's the thing.

I am terrible online. I am so bad. I am too direct. I don't know how to do the fluffy stuff online. And I try. So I got online and that was kind of my start where it's like, okay, I started meeting people. And then Craigslist.

That was back when Craigslist was still a thing. But were you looking for couples? Like, did that become like your thing? Did you go on a friend finder and stuff? Like pitching yourself as a couples guy? Like what were you looking for? In the beginning, it was just, In the beginning, it was always looking for a single female.

Okay. But couples started reaching out to me. Of course. When that started happening, I mean, I'm a big rules and boundaries person. Let me know what you're into because if we're not the same thing. You know, I won't. And then, of course, at that time, I still had a lot of learning to do. So it was mostly trying to find females or like a couple where it was like,

I'm looking for someone for my wife. Because I was always kind of paranoid about, okay, if I don't know the people, you know, going to someone's house or to a hotel room. So, you know, as I kept going and learning more, you start to meet people. You know, you had a lot of the Yahoo groups. I got into those groups.

And so I started meeting, I wanted to meet single females, but it just became a big thing with couples. So once you start meeting couples, I was going to parties and then at that point then it kind of takes off because you're meeting

you're being seen and people are slipping you with their phone numbers or you know someone will say hey the guy who was with you guys can we have his number so then it became a that's when I kind of start being

and I can't say bounced around because I wasn't being bounced around I was I was trying to be to to to meet as many couples as I could. And that's really where my education came from is meeting so many different types of couples and so many different types of dynamics. Yeah, explain the different dynamics you came across because you had the cuckolding,

right? And not every couple is a cuckold. They're Stag Vicks and there's the hot wife. So I've heard so many different stories of how couples like to roll. Like what was your experiences with the different couples you met up with? Oh, man. It's... Everything and anything?

Yeah, there's a lot. What was your hottest, though? Like, what did you enjoy the most? Like, was there anything? Or was it just like a vibe? And it was like if the couple was like super hot, like that was your thing? Or was there a typical scenario that you like the best or preferred? These looking back.

I always enjoyed the variety. So we're moving forward. You know, we're moving forward in my life. There's a lot of things that's happening outside. So like I said, I was always very perniscuous. So, you know, I had access to excess. So outside of lifestyle, I was dating multiple women simultaneously, and I was always honest, and I let them know what I was doing. So on one side of the world, you know, I've got females who, you got your bisexual females, so they're bringing their friends over them, having sex with them.

I've got the females who I'm just playing with. And then the lifestyle became more of a Jeff couples thing because I found that I couldn't, anytime I got into started playing with a single female in a lifestyle, she wanted to become a couple and then not being a lifestyle. You know, then you add in, there was a couple years where I was like a male stripper. And there's, so I just had access to excess. So that was really, that became the place where it was actually less stress. because it's like, okay, it's easier for me to fuck some dude's wife

because she's got to go home and she's not, you know, going to be asking why didn't I call her 37 times or, you know, why don't you stop fucking other people, even though that did start happening later on. But I started leaning more into the lifestyle because it was less stressful. Of course, you don't have to deal with any of that nonsense. Yeah. Hey, guys, want to play.

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Of course, you don't have to deal with any of that nonsense. Yeah. And I only call it, I'll say it was nonsense because I was always honest. Like I was never the guy to say, oh, you're my only girlfriend. Nope. I'm not looking for a girlfriend. We can have a great time. We can play. We can be playmates. But I am going to have sex with other people and you should have sex with other people as well. So that was, it always sounded good to say it out loud. But at some point, people are going to go, no, I want you to myself. Yeah, eventually. Yeah. But they, like, what are you going to do? Like, you're married. I've had wives say, I only want you to have sex with me. Oh, God. Are you kidding? Oh, oh my God. So many times.

Wow. And you wouldn't lie and say, yeah, just so you could continue to fuck her. Like, you were honest. And you'd be like, like, you're married. Absolutely. Why would I be in monogamous to you? How did you meet your girl? And like, where in this journey do you wind up meeting her?

Do you meet her at a club or within the lifestyle? No. No? No. I actually met. So I was on this website or plenty of fish. Oh, regular website. Yes.

So I was on everything. Yeah. I, listen, I was, I was never, I was never into doing drugs. I was never into getting drunk. I am not a materialistic person. My drug was always sex. Sex is my recreation. So since that was my recreation, everything, I was on all the websites and I was

terrible on the website. So plenty of fish. I met one person on there and I married her. Wow. Because, like, I got on Tinder. Tinder was terrible. My friends would be like, dude, you got to lie. I'm like, I'm not going to lie.

But let me ask you this, because you're a guy that's, like, just really looking to fuck and sex is your drug. Like, are you on plenty of fish looking for a relationship? Like, are you at a place in your life that you actually do want to settle down, though you're in the lifestyle? And, like, did you want that person to be open to it? Like, what were you going to plenty of fish for? No. You were just looking for sex still. And it was clear about that.

And so it just so happened, so was she. Oh, okay. And I'm like, she's got to be fake. Yeah. So we, we message back, we meet. And I'm always honest about who I am. Like I was very upfront about, you know, she came over for a date and she always tells a story how she was at a point in her life where she was going wild too.

And she's like, yeah, I was not going to have sex with them. I'm like, oh, yeah, you were. Yeah. Yeah, you were. And so she did. And then, like, literally, I think it was after we had sex, you know, we were talking about relationships. And I just made it clear, like, no, I'm not looking for a relationship either because in her profile, she said she wasn't. And I started talking to her about the lifestyle.

And she was the look on her face. She's like, no, that can't be real. And I'm like, no, I'm serious. Put it out there very early on. Yeah, with everybody. Yeah. I've always, I've, everyone knows at the time when I met her, I was actively, I say dating because I was spending a good amount of time with four other women. Right.

And they all knew about the other ones. And I, so, so I told her right away. And we became friends first. We were, we were just like fuck buddies. And then it just came to like a point where every Monday, because at the time I was a single father. So, and she was a single mother. So Monday was a day I didn't have my daughters. And Monday was the day that she didn't have her.

So we just kind of started doing this Monday thing. And, you know, I was very open about the lifestyle that I would tell her things that I was doing. I always have this thing I tell people don't ask me a question you don't really want the answer to. Because you're going to be honest. Yeah, it's got to hurt. And so she would ask her, what are you doing this weekend? Well, I'm going out with so-and-so.

Okay. And she was okay with it. You know, everybody else, hey, what are you doing this weekend? I'm going out with so-and-so. Oh, really? Are you going to have sex with her? No.

That's the plan. You know, so it was with her, all of that was comfortable. you know, I actually introduced her to the lifestyle experience. You know, the first threesome we had was with one of the other, was with a girl who was my ex-girlfriend. The next time it was with a guy. But before this, was she totally vanilla?

I mean, you're introducing her to her first threesome with the woman or her first hookup with the woman? She was vanilla, but she was promiscuous. Okay. But had she been with women before? She had been with a woman once before, but it was a bad situation where the guy who she was with got jealous. So this was her first. You brought her into having a threesome with one of your exes. And how was that threesome? That did not go well. Why? Oh, no. Why? Well, she got insecure. She got insecure because she said, hey, you know, the way she responded to you and you responded to her made me feel uncomfortable, which.

I knew it would. It was, it's that for me, I say this all the time. If you tell me you can fly, I'm going to push you off a building. So, jump right in. Yeah, I spoke to her. Can you handle this? Yes. I knew she couldn't. But it was a great opportunity for me at that point. I was really starting to like her to put her in an uncomfortable situation. And then when she got uncomfortable, I sent my ex out. and I talked to her, hey, this is a physical thing. Because we had also spoken about her playing with other guys. Okay, I'm going to show you now. So after that, I brought in a guy who, a buddy of my super fit, very attractive guy,

the type of guy that would make most guys insecure. And at that point, I showed her, this is how you, this is how I behave when I watch you with someone. And so it was, I established pretty early that I liked her. I liked, she's very sexual. Being sexual is very important. And if you ever, you know, listen to her on the podcast, you realize like she's, she's far more sexual than I am, which is saying something. But I saw the potential, but I also, at this point, it's been years of meeting a woman who says, oh, yeah, I want to, I'll do the lifestyle stuff. But the second you put her into it, it's, no, no, I don't want to do that.

Or no, I want you to myself. Right. You know, so we started to do things and I pushed her boundaries and really kind of walked her through the lifestyle. Because I was educated by couples, you know, so many hours of talking to wives, talking the husbands, talking to him together, talking to them separately. Because you build relationships. Over the years, I built relationships and friendships with couples. Yeah. You know, I play with a couple right now that I met before I met her.

You know, I've known them that long. You know, so there was a lot for me to bring to her of the don't-dos, you know, just to be successful. So, you know, it kind of made it easy bringing her into it because of the experiences I had. And she, oh, she told in head first. I was going to say she went very willingly, right? What you're saying? Oh, yeah. Oh, God, yeah.

How was that experience when she fucked that guy that you brought in? Did she love it? Like, was she down? Was she comfortable? Well, so she was in the beginning, I was in the room with her, but this guy was not a lifestyle guy. Mm-hmm. This guy was the guy she saw. I was like, oh, my God, that guy's hot.

Really? You like that guy? You can have them. That because even to this day, I'm like, if you like it, I'm going to get it for you. So he, when we, when we started, he was having a hard time getting hard and okay, so let's rewind. I remember the sensation of your buddy going, hey, you want to fuck my girl. Right. And me going, wait, is this dude trying to touch my butt?

Like, I stepped out of the room so that he can get his, you know, get his mind. And when I stepped out of the room, she was worried that I had got jealous where I was upset. And, you know, later on, because I'm a big fan of we're going to, we'll talk before we talk after. Afterwards, she said, well, I was worried that you got upset. I'm like, no, the guy couldn't get his dick up because, you know, you got my 240 pounds hovering over everybody. Like, that's can be a little intimidating, you know, so I stepped out. So the next one, the next time she's like, oh, she was good then, you know. in her words are oh you are serious i can do this so you know she going play dates i want video

she bring back video oh so you went to solo play like i mean you guys were open to it all yes yes because so this was my thought process was i i see this as being a life partner but she'll never understand me if she hasn't experienced the things that i experienced so she needs to know what it feels like and this may be a little edgy but I explained her early on even though you were promiscuous before me as a woman you can always get more sex

man can get but most women who have that much sex are fucking for validation so now once you get with me you're going to learn what it feels like not the fuck for validation but the fuck because you have the You desire something. You take it and you enjoy yourself not trying to be validated by him.

So everybody you fuck before me, they don't count as numbers. Get your numbers for you now. Yeah. They're for you. Not for anybody but you. And so that's why, you know, it's I pushed her to experience solo. I pushed her to come home and speak to me. You have to tell me what happened because if you have a secret between you and him,

then you're being intimate with him. He doesn't get that intimacy. I get the intimacy. And so it was really conditioning her to understand because she had a hard time understanding how I was happy with just one woman now. I was going to say, like, was it because she was so open and kind of wired like you and so down for like a lot of sex

and all the stuff that you were into that she was one that you actually fell for because it doesn't sound like you really wanted any kind of relationship. That's what you said before. Mm-hmm. And the best way to answer that is emotions aren't logical. Just like all those other girls fell for you and you never knew why. Like that's what happened sometimes. Yeah. And this is the one girl that happened for you, F. Yeah, it felt right. Yeah.

So, I mean, being a creature of, I guess I can say, passions, like I just followed my desire. Yeah. And that's what I wanted. I wanted her. But I also wanted to, wanted, it to be fair. It wouldn't be fair to her if she didn't understand me on a different level because then we're not evenly yoked now because she's going to be constantly paranoid that

I'm going to, you know, there's some there's a vagina somewhere that I can get that's going to make me leave her and I'm like no, I mean I've fucked thousands of women like there's no vagina that's going to make me leave you. There's no pussy that good. Trust me, I've tried a lot of them. Like if you were hanging

in your hat there, it was for a reason and nothing was going to make you change your mind. So she eventually trusted you and she fell for you as well. Yes. Yes. And you guys got married and remained in the lifestyle this whole time, correct? Yes. Yes. The whole time. What does she enjoy the most? She loves swingers clubs. Is she like orgies, gang bangs? Is she like three sons with you? Like what's her thing? What's her kink that she's the most into? Girls. Well, what does she enjoy the most? She enjoys playing with guys. Like she's, she's not really, she's not good at like female threesomes because she's like, I don't know what to do with my hands. Like she's, she, listen, she's like funny. She's like, listen, I'll suck. I'll suck on her breast or something like that. I'll do whatever

you want as long as it's a dick in her. You know, so she, you know, she enjoys group stuff, you know, And group stuff to her is, you know, two of her best friends surrounded by, you know, six or seven big dicks. She enjoys having her individual play dates. She enjoys me, me, like, coming down and joining in. Yeah. She's, I mean, she's just, I think the thing, the thing that she likes the most is the freedom, the freedom to roam, the freedom to do things, enjoy stuff. and then know that she can come back home and not be looked at differently

because that was her big fear early on. Of course. I never want you to look at me differently. Yeah, of course. And she's got, like, so she's got it all. She's able to like let her freak flag fly,

be really into anything she's into without any shame. And she has a guy who feels romantic towards her and is in love with her and has that kind of real intimate companionship that sometimes like people think isn't possible. Like you can't be like a super quote unquote slutty. That's supposedly a bad word. And, you know, be the girl that the guy really falls for, you know. So she had the jackpot with you

because that's what you, like you're, you're fine with all. Like you love all that. That was the perfect girl for you. That's what you needed to settle down. Now, do you play solo too? Yes. Yes. So you play solo, she plays solo. Do you guys still go to swingers clubs a lot? Like is like what's your lifestyle? Like what kind of lifestyle do you guys enjoy? now. So, so we still, we still play, we play solo, we play together. We were host, like we would, we were hosting lots of house parties. Yeah. For a while, you know, just we're also, what's interesting, we're also an interracial couple. So my wife is a redhead and I'm a black guy. So she's, another thing that she has done is she's, you know, over time, there's a circle of friends that she had who

always had the fantasy of being with the black guy. So she's brought those people in. And a lot of them still like discretion. But she's opened those doors for, you know, them to experience the things that they're not supposed to be able to experience. And she's not like QOS. You know, she doesn't discriminate. She's an equal opportunity.

Yeah. You know, she doesn't, she's not like. She doesn't have a guy. Well, she has a type of guy. But she's, you know, more into. You know, a guy who's fit, a guy who, I mean, who's got a certain type of energy. So if you're white, black, fan, it doesn't matter in that department. But she's a huge advocate of getting what you want.

Mm-hmm. You know, getting what you want. And so that's what she's big into. So we were doing lots of house parties. We do party promotions. You know, we live in Atlanta. So we were doing a lot of the big hotel parties. We promoted for them.

we do promotions for Splash Moka, which is a big interracial hot wife event. Yeah, we're kind of go with the flow. We just kind of do what's fun. So we went on a Bliss Cruise last year. We've gone to Hito. You're fully immersed. And that's why you could talk on your podcast about everything. Do you have guests on there?

Like, when did you start your podcast, by the way? So we started our podcast right before COVID. Okay. And we started a podcast just because we were kind of the go-to couple. When people were new in the lifestyle, people go, oh, go talk to them. Yeah. When couples were having challenges, they come talk to us. So we, I'd always say people lifestyle wrong because when people are introduced to the lifestyle

oftentimes, the people that introduced them teaches them their bad habits or their prejudices. you know, instead of saying, listen, you're going into his lifestyle. Do what you like to do. Don't do what we do. Do what you want to do. And because you've been there done that, you could, you know, you probably have such a full view of everything, you know, the good, the bad, the ugly, everything. So you could really educate people on what to do, what not to do and help them out. And people do go to podcast nowadays to learn about the lifestyle. I think it's a great thing to have out there now. Because I'm sure you get emails. I'm, I'm sure you get emails. I'm, I get emails from people all the time. Like, oh, thanks so much for your show. I'm learning so much. Me, my wife, blah, blah, blah. And that's what you're doing, educating people on the lifestyle. All of it.

Yeah. I mean, we did a live Twitter space last night just about bulls. So, yeah, so a lot of our stuff is really funny. And she has a segment called The Dirty Girls Corner where she's just, she's just unfiltered. And my wife has no filter. She's going to say what she wants. needs to come on the show next. I love getting the story from the female perspective too. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure. We'll have Mrs. Mosa on. Oh, yeah, you'll like she's a riot.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So wait, tell me about her. I love that idea. Is that like for women where she's just like very open about sex and stuff? Like, what does she do on that, that part of the things? Like you just mentioned it. It's, it's freedom. It's she can say what we can say. Yeah. She can do because like we said earlier, there's a double standard with. men and women. Yeah. And so when I got with her, I took the double standard away. You know, when we step out into the lifestyle, this is fantasy world. You need to get what you want. We're already going to be looked at a certain way for being in the lifestyle. So why would you not go in and get 100% of it?

I see that she has other girls on with her on her, like on her dirty girls corner. She's talking to other women who are like her came into their own when it comes to their sexuality, super open women that love sex and aren't afraid to talk about it. Yeah, I love that. And the collar, listen, that's a smart thing to add in because, you know, I know for my show, like my female callers, always get the highest downloads, you know, because I think men really want to know that there are women out there like your wife and like the other girl she probably has on her corner shows, you know, that really do love sex. like they do. Yes. You know? Yes.

Yeah. And the lifestyle, it's interesting just within the lifestyle because we've been in it for so long and we know couples and people all over the world. I would have no problem saying that most men have no idea what their wife is capable of. Or what they're secretly into? Yeah. It's like you ever see like that old person driving a Porsche at 20 miles an hour?

Like you're driving one of the fastest cars on the planet, but you only take it 20 miles an hour. Most guys are afraid to allow their wife to open up and be who she is because he's afraid of what she's going to get. When we do parties, we do ladies' choice parties, which means all of the females who come to those parties have her mentality. Yeah. These are sex parties that start at nine and everybody's done by 12. That's how you know that women are leading the party because there's always more guys. And I can't, you can't, we can't keep up with women. That's a woman fully open. You can't even keep up with them. Yeah. What am I going to do? Like, I mean, this thing's only got so many bullets in the clip. You know, the more excited she gets, the more she can, the more she can, the more she can, the more she can, do and you go to a party where women have that ideology and that mentality. Oh, God. Amazing party that's not lasting long. Yeah. But imagine even, yeah. And you know, you could just take that back into just the regular vanilla marriage. Like, you could have that even in your own home if you just, like,

you know, take away, like make your wife feel safe to be open up and actually start exploring her fantasies, thinking about them, putting them out there. Guys only. Like, Like guys created the stigma and it only fucks them. That's what I always say. It's like it's stupid. You know what I mean? You all want great sex and women to be like super slutty. But yet you make them feel bad if they're that way.

So then they're not. You know, it's like who's winning? You're winning because you never had that. You weren't judgey like that, you know? So you're kind of living the dream. You have been since you're 24. You've kind of like, you know, had your cake and eat it too. And even especially now, because you do have a romantic committed relationship,

which most people want. you're very fulfilled in that way, but you also get to fuck whoever you want. That's like every cheater's dream. Yeah, yeah. And don't get me wrong. There are rules. There's rules to it. Yeah, of course.

You know, I tell people you don't step into the lifestyle and be able to do what we do because we had to go through it. And we've been in this together for years. There's been bumps along the way. We've had challenges along the way. We still have emotions. When you love somebody watching them have sex with someone else, can definitely is going to bring out the emotions within you.

Well, you mentioned that it happened with your wife, and I'm very interested in when I talk to her to talk about that. I love a swinger gone wrong story, and I love the stories about the bumps in the road because it really shows people that, like, that's, you know, more real life, right? Nothing just happens and it's perfect, you know, but you can work through it and wind up on the other side. You don't have to leave the lifestyle, right?

Like your first three-son with your wife, she was like horrified. She wasn't into it. It wasn't horribly wrong. But it's not like you guys stopped, you know, so it'll be interesting to talk to her and get her, you know, sort of side of things and how she felt and why she felt that way and how and why she continued anyway, regardless, right? Like, I mean, you didn't stop. So, you know, it's all super interesting. I'm assuming you talk about all of this stuff more on your podcast. I would put a, I wish you would change your name.

Nobody knows what the fuck your podcast is by O face, all one word. I don't know. Change it to like orgasm face. Is that what it is? Like, you got good content. Your name is so important. I like the way I like the way you

operate. See my wife, before I got in the podcast, my wife's like, hey, be nice. Yeah. And now I can tell her Kathy's not nice to me. No, no, no, but see, you see it the wrong way, but I think, no, no, no, but I'm saying, I think you're more like me.

I was looking at encyclopedias. I fucked five guys at the same time and told them all. Me and you are the same person. I'm not not being nice to you. I'm actually being I see myself as helping you with your shitty name for your podcast and wanting and helping you by telling you the truth that it's a bad name. It's not going to get people to click on it because they don't know what the fuck it is. I'm actually being nice.

I see it as being nice. So many people will see that kind of shit as wrong. I'm actually trying to help you. I'm a podcaster. I, you know. We are officially rebranding. Yes, you should because I'm just going to tell you as a podcaster I learned, I've been podcasting for 12 years.

Like you're your, I don't mind. Your thumbnail of you and your girl with the faces is all cool. But like, and it says lifestyle, sex capades and sex explorations. And then the name is O-Face. It's like too confusing. Like create a killer title, put it on the front of that and keep that as the same name. And that kind of stuff is important to get listeners on a show because people are scrolling through and they only see one thing or they only see the name and it's very confusing.

And you have great content. I'm just trying to help you out here. Okay. Kathy, I believe you. Okay. So let me know your rebrand. brand. I'm curious of what you come up with. It'll be good because you have a good content. You already gave me the answer. What was it? Make it orgasm faces. Oh yeah. There's, okay. Do your thing.

See, yeah. Listen, you see, that's how simple I am in life. Like that's how, like I'm serious. Like literally, I will call my guy today and by next week, it'll be rebranded. Orgasal face, lifestyle, sex, sex capades, and sexploration. Yeah, I love it. Yeah. Yeah, I'm very simple. Like that's, for a long time, my. wife, like, we would get into discussions and she'd do what you just did. And I'd say, okay, cool. And she didn't believe that I mean, she keep talking. I'm like, why are we still talking? I'm like, no, I'm going to do it. And so like, we, that's one of our, and some of our episodes, like she gets upset because when she's right, I'm not going to argue. Like, yeah, you're right. And she keeps talking. I'm like, you're right. Yeah, because you know what? Women can't believe.

No, but women can't believe because so many, like you talk about egos, you are. obviously don't operate from that place, but so many guys do. So many guys would be so, like they see women as cockroaches and like, God forbid, you tell them like an idea. You know what I mean? Like, you're just like, you're just so, you're just not that guy, but you know why a lot of women will keep pursuing and like your wife or like me is because a lot of times, if we tell a guy what to do and I don't care if it's my fucking taxi driver. I'm like, don't take that way, go that way. Or someone in business, the guy looks at you like your fucking bitch for telling him what the fuck to do because you're beneath them.

And that's just a girl thing that we face. So it's like she's like not believing you that you're fucking down because you're not the regular guy. Do you know what I'm saying? Regular guys will be insulted if you give them your opinion because it makes them feel some sort of way. Do you get it? No, see, now here's a, I agree with that.

See, my thing is this when a successful person. Exactly. Gives an unsuccessful person or a less successful person and the idea. you follow it now if what you said sound dumb exactly i would have you tell me you would tell me if it sounds dumb it sounds dumb yeah you know if it sounds like good at and and here's the thing i like the way you articulated it afterwards yo your name sounds like shit yeah i'm very blunt yeah yeah exactly no i i know we're the same breed we're the same breed when you're sort yeah when you told me you're reading encyclopedias and you're nerd like I'm right there fucking with you. We're like the same kind of breed. And one last

thing I'll say is like I remember reading some Tony Robbins book. It was like 350 pages. But the only thing I took from it and it was like the smartest thing he ever said. And it's one thing that I followed. And he said, you know, a lot of times you see like all these overweight people and they're all talking to their overweight friends about how to lose weight. Like they never go to a skinny person and say, how can I be skinny? You know what I mean? If you want to learn how to do something, talk to someone who's fucking successful. Don't talk to your loser friends that are exactly where you're And that is the truth. Like you want to learn to me.

Talk to an expert. If I want to learn about how to make money, I talk to my most wealthiest friends. I don't talk to my friends who are where I was at. You know what I mean? Like it's like and that's the way they do it. So and you're, and that's just being efficient and being fucking smart. And you're efficient and you're fucking smart. And you got really great content out there and you want people to find it.

And you know, that's like one of the most important things because it's like, oh, if the tree falls in the wood and no one hears it, who the fuck cares? You're putting out all this great content. You're really super smart, right? you've lived this lifestyle for so long you could really help people but i will help you by putting your link in the description people are going to find your show no matter what the name is because there's going to be a link in the description people are just going to have to fucking like click on it to hear your girls naughty stories and all the episodes you do and then also make miss like have mrs mocha uh

set up an appointment i'll talk to her too and that'll give you more promotion for your podcast and i'll get a great episode and she could talk about her story and all that kind of good stuff okay so thanks for coming on though and telling your you know origin story because I always have to get that first you know but get your wife on thanks so much for calling in Mr. Moko do me your favor and send me some picks for my Patreon I'll give you free access to my Discord also free access to my Patreon to make comments to people have her send me that ASAP though so I just have it okay all right yeah we'll get it to you before the weekend's out all right awesome this was so much fun thank you so much for having me on like you are awesome and you know if you ever want to come on and hang out with us on the podcast You actually, you probably have more fun on with her. Yeah, I would love to. You know, I have a book coming out on December 2nd. And like, you know, we don't have to discuss the books, but I've talked to so many people. And I have so, it's, it's called, you know, strictly anonymous confession, secret sex lies of total strangers.

It's like 17, like, super hot stories, but they're all fucking real. Like a girl that was into 15 gangbanks, done over 50 gangbanks. You know, it's all, like, all the different topics that I talk on my show. But, like, you know, the whole episode doesn't have to be about my book. It could just be about, like, sex and crazy things. things that women do and all the stories. I mean, I've talked to like almost 2,000 people at this point. So we could do that if you want. Yeah, it's fun. And my show, you know, I laugh when you said the girl who did over 50 gangbanks. I'm like, I know a whole bunch of ladies who've done that.

I know, but we live in the world. Yeah, no, no, I love that. I want more girls. Send them my way. I love those. I call those girls like my hardcore girls and I've had many of them on my show. But they're, listen, we all know that it's not the majority of people out there. But when you are in this world, Like those women exist and that's what I think is interesting about my book getting out there that regular people out there that don't live in this world are going to learn that these people do actually exist. And I think that that's important, you know, that people know that this is what some people are doing in real life. These are not erotica stories. These are true stories and then you could come listen to them on my show. But I'd love to come on and talk about naughty stories and all that stuff. So we'll talk about that. But this was about you and thank you so much for calling in and sharing your story. Because you're, listen, I didn't live in the lifestyle myself. I've just. been talking to people. So you got a more interesting story than I did. You're going to fly on the wall. Kind of. I don't know. But I have a lot of stories to tell. I'm like a good guest. Don't worry about that. We'll talk about that. But thanks so much for- I know you're going to be a good guest.

I'm excited. Yeah, yeah. Thank you so much for having me. No, but thanks so much for calling in and sharing your story. It was super fun. Thanks, Mr. Moka. Have a great day, Kathy. You too. Bye. Bye. Okay. I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly Anonymous Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers is now available not only in paperback and e-book, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck story. There's a cuck story. There's a

gang being girl's story. Like I said, 17 stories, and they're all told in the third person, and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person, and I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like Penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica. I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories, 17 of them. They're really short chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format. And finally, the audio book is available coming out August 25th. But you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my

Discord. My Discord does not disappoint. Okay. There's no way you get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay. I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people in there. Everybody shares content with each other and that's what you get to do there. You could post your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you can win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private. Like I said, all you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook, the ebook, or the paperback.

Send it to me at Strictly Anonymous Podcasts at gmail.com. That's strictly anonymous podcast at gmail.com. And I will send you the link to Discord. So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in.