Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1324 - Mark is a Hoser who Used to Think he was a Crossdresser

Episode Date: January 2, 2026

Marc is a Hoser (guy who has a pantyhose fetish) who used to think he was a crossdresser and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including when he realized he was into w...earing hose and what was appealing about them to him, when he started looking at heels as well and started wondering if he was also into crossdressing, how he would bring up his interest in pantyhose to women and why he decided to be very blunt about it, how and why his one wife wound up resenting his fetish, how and why in that marriage he started fully dressing behind her back, his next wife and how and why he copped to crossdressing and how she reacted, how and when he realized he wasn’t that into fully dressing up, how his current wife is down with wearing hose for him, the colors and types of pantyhose he prefers for her to wear, how he has been able to not let his fetish get in the way of this marriage plus a whole lot more. GET A COPY OF THE STRICTLY ANONYMOUS BOOK! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY HERE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To see anonymous a pics of my guests + get TONS of exclusive CROSSDRESSER and or HOSER episodes and content + hear all the anonymous confessions, join my Patreon Crossdresser tier it's only $8 a month for Hosers and $10 a month for crossdressers (you get also get Hoser episodes too!) and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠ To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712  Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠strictlyanonymouspodcast@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show." Want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. All voices are changed.  Sponsors: ⁠⁠⁠https://beducate.me/pd2540-anonymous⁠⁠⁠⁠— Click here to take the quiz and  get your personalized roadmap to sexual happiness ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Get 10% OFF your first month of Bluechew GOLD! Use code: STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://motorbunny.com/strictly⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Holiday Sale PLUS $50 off! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://loadboost.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — To get 10% off LOAD Boost by VB Health use code: STRICTLY ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://butterwellness.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Use the code STRICTLY at checkout for 20% OFF your entire order⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.quince.com/strictlyanon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — For premium quality Quince clothing plus FREE shipping and 365 day returns! Follow me! Instagram  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Everything else: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:02:26 today I have on Mark. Mark is a hoser. One time he thought he was a crosschester. That's an interesting part of his story because he realized he kind of wasn't and he talks all about that. He definitely is a hoser though. He was noticing and it got into panty hose very early on like most hosers. Hozers are guys that have a pantyose fetish. And he talks about all of it. Like his first memories, when he started to put them on, why he started to wear when he was little and why he doesn't wear as much when he was an older guy. He's been married a few times. He talks about how his fetish got in the way in his second marriage. And he talks about how much, how accepted it is in his third. And those are really interesting stories. His current wife,
Starting point is 00:03:14 he's hit the jackpot, okay, because she wears for him. She's totally into it. She's very accepting. It was with her that he thought maybe he was into cross-dressing and she helped him figure out that he wasn't and it's, he talks about how he would bring it up and why. There was something that happened to when he was younger when he finally decided he was just going to be upfront about his fetish to women and he was and he hasn't gotten that much pushback. He does talk about his favorite ones to wear and all that kind of good stuff. It's a typical hoser episodeed soup, but each one is always interesting and a little bit different because it's unique. He's going to be over on my Patreon. His wife knows he's calling in, so maybe he'll send
Starting point is 00:03:54 pictures of her. I don't know yet. But anyway, I'm going to get right to him. Be right back on what Mark. Hi, Mark. Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. How are you today? I'm great. Thanks for having me. No, thanks for calling in. You're what I call a hoser. I don't remember who made up that name, but it's such a great name. A hoser is a guy who's got a panty-hose fetish. You have like tried on female clothing here, and you have been married a few times. We're going to talk about that. Your current wife not only knows, but it's kind of like, she's down, right? She's open to it and everything with your Panehose fetish.
Starting point is 00:04:24 She's okay with it? She is. Yeah, which is great. Yeah, but let's not start there. Okay, that is a snapshot of where you're at now. How old are you, by the way, and how long you've been married to this wife? In my early 50s, and I've been married with her for about 13 years. Oh, okay, great.
Starting point is 00:04:42 So you went through your first other two early, way earlier. You're probably one of those people who got married when you were like 20-something. First time? Okay, cool. Okay, great. So, Mark, what I'm most interested in is your Pantyhouse fetish. And those typically start, and maybe not. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:04:57 You've got to tell me, like, when someone is really young, you know, when was the first, but I don't know, you tell me, like, when was the first time you realized you might have something for Panty House? I was young. I know I was young. I can't put an actual age on. But I know I was just a young kid. So starting off, I was born in Europe.
Starting point is 00:05:21 My father was in the military. He was stationed in Europe. And my mother was a, she was a Belgian national working for the government. And that's all they met. So I had a little bit of the best of both worlds. I had the American fashion on the base, but I had the European fashion with my mother and everything else. And so I just know I like the style. I love seeing the women in them.
Starting point is 00:05:49 I remember the women in my family and them. But specifically hosery, correct? Like their legs in hose? What was it about it? Was it the legs? Was it the hosiery? Was it the whole outfit? It was the whole outfit.
Starting point is 00:06:05 I mean, I love the curves. I love the way they made the women look. I mean, the heels, you know, it just, it's the whole package. Right. the way it just makes the whole the whole leg the whole game just the way it looks on the on it and you know you look in europe and you look at the fashion and the fashion was there so it really helped a lot and so i still remember the women in my family it was everywhere my mother my grandmother she she were her heels everywhere so i remember my mother were
Starting point is 00:06:44 drop me off at my grandmother's place for babysitting at the time. And I was just a kid. And my mother, my grandmother didn't drive. So she, she would go shopping. And she would take her house shoes off and she would put on her heels. And she would be taking big strides all the way down to the store. And I would be trying to keep up with her. And she never, she was relentless. But she, she was in shape. So. But for some reason, but what's interesting about the story is not that your grandmother were high heels, It's that you are like noticing this. These are the things you remember about your childhood, which most kids wouldn't remember.
Starting point is 00:07:19 Like that's what you were focused on. Yeah, absolutely. And as a kid, I remember when we had big receptions at my family, all the kids, all the cousins, we'd be playing everywhere. We shouldn't be playing. So we would be playing underneath the tables when everybody would be around the table. And I would be probably the one spending. in the most time under the table, but not necessarily to be playing with my cousins.
Starting point is 00:07:50 Footseys, looking at the footsies and the heels and the legs and the calves and the hose, right? Oh, yeah. I was taking inventory right there. Yeah, I hear this story so many times. Are you a hoser, by the way, that wears as well? Like, wouldn't you realize that you were into this stuff? Did you start, like, sneaking and sealing them and putting them on? Or are you just a hosier who admires them on women?
Starting point is 00:08:11 then. I started getting my interest and wanting to get the feel of it. So yeah, I started taking some, you know, from the hamper to see how it felt. And yeah, I would, I remember I would be going into my bed and I would be underneath the blankets. And I would be trying to, you know, put a pair on and see how it felt. And yeah, I would like how I would feel under the sheets. I would be, rubbing my legs together and I just really like the feeling of it. And that's where I would be hiding for the most part as a kid under the sheets. You know, people would think I'd be sleeping in, but I would be fully awake and just enjoying how it felt for most of the time. And what do you remember most about like, you know, the, when you put them on? Was it the field? Did you like the way it made your legs look?
Starting point is 00:09:06 Was it mostly about the compression? Like, do you remember what it was about putting them on that you enjoyed? the most that stood out to you back then? At the time, it was really the feeling, but I did like the, because I remember the ones that my mother would were the most, she had the darker, the tan color. Those were the colors that she would be wearing the most. And so I think because that color was the one she, she wore the most, and the first ones that I would be most subjected to, I think that color kind of stuck with me the most.
Starting point is 00:09:39 So I always like many tan colors. And then, you know, as a kid, I always had those TV shows that I watched them all's like Daisy Duke. Yeah, I remember her. I'm around your age. I got it. Yeah. So Daisy Duke's always been my favorite. I always liked the tan ones.
Starting point is 00:09:58 But then later on, I started liking other colors and other styles as well. But back to the feeling and the color, yeah, I started admiring myself in the mirror and started kind of thinking of how, you know, how the, thinking about how the women are and trying to think of looking in the mirror and thinking of the ladies and the women. So sometimes as I kind of grew up a little bit, I started looking in what was in my mom's closet as far as shoes. That's where I started looking at, okay, now I have the shoes and I'm like, okay. And I started looking from the waist down, okay, with their legs down, I'm like, okay, and I started thinking of enough, a woman in the whole, I had my own set of legs that I could enjoy with the thing.
Starting point is 00:10:47 Yeah, it's interesting that a lot, I'm listening, you're making, I've heard the story so many times, and it makes sense that you were also interested in the heels, because that's something that you're bringing up, but that was something that you noticed very early on, too, right? It kind of was like the whole package to you. It was, yeah. It was. And that's where I started thinking that I was more into the lines of wanting to crawl stress.
Starting point is 00:11:12 And I think as we're going to be talking more about my progression, I think later on in life, that's where I started experimenting later with that. Because now you got the heels and you got the hose. Why not throw on a little miniskirt and whatever, right? One thing leads to another. It's always like, what's the gateway drug? Gateway drug was the panty hose. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:11:32 Exactly. And I found that out later. too, that it seems to be a kind of a common story as well. Yeah, for sure. Now, let's go back to like, okay, so you're like a little kid. Did you ever get caught stealing, or were you able to keep this whole thing that you were into and then your fetish is secret? And so by the family, no, I haven't been really caught because I did have an aunt that
Starting point is 00:11:54 was, that had a little bit of, she, she had more than just my mother had. My mother was more into the common tan ones, but I had an aunt that was had a, She had a little bit more of a fashion type thing. So I was like, oh, okay, she's got more designer ones. So quite often when I would be staying there for the night or when not, I would kind of sneak and I knew which score to look through. And I'm like, okay. So I didn't want it to make it obvious.
Starting point is 00:12:25 So I would kind of pick one at the time. But I never got called there. But I did once almost get caught in the store where all of a sudden one of the sales ladies came around the corner. I thought I was going to be in trouble. But I kind of had a quick little story. And I said, oh, I don't think I have enough money. And put the item back and went back away. How old were you?
Starting point is 00:12:53 Do you remember how old you were at that time? Like in high school? No. Older? I was in high school. No, I was much younger. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I think I stole shit and when I was younger and got caught too. I mean, it's like a weird phase everyone goes through.
Starting point is 00:13:07 It was and my heart was pounding. Exactly. I was like, okay, so I figured from there on I was just going to try to save every bit of money I could and I was going to go on the honest route. So that's where I started having my own little stash for a little while and, uh, how would you buy though, Mark? Like, you know, because here you are a young kid and it's not time. Amazon doesn't exist, so you can't just go online and have it. Were you, like, bold enough to walk into, like, a place and just buy them? And did you pretend they were for somebody else? Like, you know, that's kind of ballsy to do. I would pretend I had a little shopping list for my mother or whatnot. Yeah, smart.
Starting point is 00:13:51 And I would go, and they had in Europe, they had these markets, and they had, like, usually a stock and stocking hosery vendor. And I would kind of pretend. I was like, I'm supposed to get such and such for my mother. Do you know what size wouldn't normally fit? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, oh, my God, that's so interesting.
Starting point is 00:14:15 You know, listen, I mean, I think it's kind of smart. Nowadays people don't need to make up those stories. But, you know, if me and you were talking, you know, before Amazon, I'd be like, oh, what a great idea. Pretend you've got to buy some tampons too, you know, and then and act as if you're and like for your mom or something. It was kind of like a good way to hide it because, you know, you're super young. And so it, and it is ballsy to go in.
Starting point is 00:14:38 A lot of older guys, I get if you're older and you're like, who the fuck cares. But, you know, you were young when it makes sense what you were doing. So you started building your stash and you're young. Now, when you started to date girls, like, did you ever let any of them in on the fact that you wanted them to wear panty hose or anything? I would try to make it sound. I would tell them I had a weakness for it, you know, kind of make it sound very innocent, but say, oh, I think it's pretty. I've always had a weakness for that.
Starting point is 00:15:11 And, you know, they're like, well, go ahead and touch if you like. And I was like, oh, can I? Thank you. And they thought it was cute. And, you know, and I would say later on, can you do it again? And it was always kind of nice. And, you know, in Europe, it was a very common thing. As a matter of fact, some of the studies that I did when I was in Europe and in school were hotel restaurant management.
Starting point is 00:15:41 And part of the studies we had to work. Part of it was cooking and the other part, another day, we would have to actually serve. So the boys were dressed in black hands and white shirt, but the girls in the class, had a white shirt and they had black skirt, but they also had black pantyholes and things. But the changing room, quite often, the changing room was in some of the classes, we were in a common changing room. Right, of course. So the boys and the girls were in the same room.
Starting point is 00:16:18 So quite often, I kind of enjoyed it. And it was, you know, we were just kind of talking and it was very common. And I'm just like, okay. And sometimes they had a run in their pantyhose, and I would have to be like, oh, I forget something back in the changing room. I have to go back. And I was like, oh, okay, I had something free then. Yeah, for sure. And nobody would think, because most people don't know that this is like a fetish, right?
Starting point is 00:16:46 A lot of times, it is something that you could sort of look at without, I don't know, people knowing that it's a sexual thing. I don't know. I can't explain it. You know what I mean? But I don't think it's a weird thing to say to a girl. And I also don't like in that same vein. Like I don't think it's weird to say to a girl like, oh, I'd love to see you wear panty hose with your skirt and high heels.
Starting point is 00:17:05 Like that would be super hot. It just could sound like you want her to look very feminine, you know? It's not a big ass. It doesn't sound creepy, you know? No. And over there, like I said, it's a very fashionable item. It's everybody wears it. Over here, it's much different.
Starting point is 00:17:22 The fashion is not like it used to be back in. the 80s and the 90s where that was very common. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So when you start dating girls, okay? Like, I don't know, maybe we should go to your wives now. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:17:37 Like when do you start to, I know your last wife knows and everything. Did your other wives and all your girlfriends, were you always up front about it? I usually kind of came, you know, I realized real quick that if I don't come out with it, I'm going to miss opportunities. I did travel a lot. So there was a point where I joined the service. I joined the Army. And I traveled a lot.
Starting point is 00:18:04 And I, there was, you know, sometimes you'll have the, I realize you miss opportunities if you don't say things. And there's always that one unicorn that I always kind of regret. Where I probably missed my biggest opportunity was on a flight one time. were this flight attendant on the flight and then the international flight where I had my hand out in the aisle and she and her leg actually brushed my hand and that time was actually by accident. I really did not try to do anything. Oh, she walked by and you felt it?
Starting point is 00:18:44 She walked by and I actually did move my hand to do something and I'm like, oh, I'm so sorry. And she's like, oh, I think you're just trying to feel my leg. And I blushed. I probably turned three shades of red in front of her because I was very embarrassed. But at the same time, I was kind of happy I did. Yeah. And I said, oh, no, no, I'm sorry. And she's like, oh, it's okay.
Starting point is 00:19:13 And I looked. And the whole flight, she was so sweet to me, so kind. she asked me so many questions. She knew I was in the service. And she even, at one point, I realized that she said, I'm going to be taking my rest behind your seat. So don't mind me. And they had little curtains right behind.
Starting point is 00:19:37 And sure enough, she had the whole aisle behind me. And I don't know if there were mixed signals or if I missed my, I don't know what it was. she even gave me her business card and everything. But yeah, that was, so I always promised myself, I'm never going to miss the opportunity to make sure that I, you know, stay exactly who's on my mind from their own. Okay. And so then you started to tell girls, is that what happened? Is that like the entree into you being a little bit more open about what you were into?
Starting point is 00:20:10 I actually really was more blunt about it. So I wanted to make sure that if, you. you know, that they would know, and if they didn't like it, I knew that it was not going to be. Or, you know, and I asked, actually, I never met anybody who turned me down that, you know, if I told them that that was my, my fetish or, yeah, they usually were all pretty on board. Yeah, exactly. Because you're, but let me ask you this. There's one thing, like, about, like, asking a girl to wear for you, but it's a whole other thing telling a girl that,
Starting point is 00:20:48 you also like to wear. Were you open about that? And was that a part of your life? Or did you just do that when you were younger before you could get girls to wear for you? I, well, for that part, I actually did it when I was younger. And then I didn't do it for the longest time afterwards. I think that was still very closeted for the longest time. I think I didn't do it until the second wife.
Starting point is 00:21:16 and that was even much later into that marriage, and it was very seldom. And I think into the second marriage, the second wife didn't even, I think wearing panty holes became more, you know, she started resenting it after a while. Oh, really? Why? Even though she would do it for you,
Starting point is 00:21:39 would you like push her to do it all the time? Do you know? At first, well, there was a little bit of, There was a little bit of a mix of events. So being in the military, I was a career service member. So I did do my 20. And in those 20, I had several tours overseas, especially after 9-11. And among those things, you know, you spoke a lot about ED and I really did enjoy every shows.
Starting point is 00:22:10 I've heard you talk about ED and your last podcast. that you had just recently. Yeah. I listened to that one too, and I thought that was fascinating as well, because I've been, I've had issues with that as well. And so with the second marriage, that has been, that had been a big thing after several of my deployments. And so I needed a little bit more help as well.
Starting point is 00:22:40 And so I was asking for it a lot more. oh so that and that's why do you think do you wonder like why do you think that for a long time before the second wife and before you started wearing again did you not even need to wear do you think it you just kept it you were in denial about it that was a harder ass so you kept that like under wraps or do you think because you had women wearing for you and you were able to let them sort of be the person wearing and you were getting your fix that you didn't need to like or or none of the above i don't know you tell me well so the interesting thing is at that time too what I think was happening is at that time there was I was still wondering about the whole cross-dressing situation as well okay because so I had been worn before and I had the heels I had the skirt I had everything then I had my first wife when I had my first duty station. After I had finished basic training, I had been stationed in California. She was a banker.
Starting point is 00:23:50 And so bankers back in the 80s, I mean early 90s, mid-90s, they were dressed to the nine. You know, they had the nice dress and the heels as well. So that was, everything worked out great at that point. But I never wore anything with her. But when she would not be around. when she would be at work and I would be wearing at work and shift. I would be wearing secretly on my own.
Starting point is 00:24:20 And, you know, I would not be with her while I was wearing. It was only when she wasn't around or when she wasn't wearing for you. So it does kind of say that, like, if the woman is doing it for you, you don't need to do it yourself. But when that's not happening,
Starting point is 00:24:36 then you get your fixed by you putting them on. Correct. That kind of makes sense. So I always figured out, I was like, hmm, you know, and that's where I was really thinking, okay, so I think really there's a cross-dressing side in me and everything else. And so I was always kind of looking on that side. So that marriage ended probably about a year later. And shortly after that, I had met my other wife. And everything was good. We had been married. Is this second wife? Because was Bankteller for? first wife? Okay. Yeah, after the first wife, I had met the other one. Yeah. And that was the one I stayed for a while and everything was fine for the longest time. But then, like I said, 9-11 happened. And after that, I was gone for quite some time back and forth between the state side and the Middle East. Mm-hmm. And, and. Oh, you followed in your father's footsteps.
Starting point is 00:25:38 Pretty much. Yeah, okay. But then things were changing in our marriage, in our dynamics, and me. You know, it was taking a toll on the marriage and me. And so that marriage was starting to crumble little by little. And so with even so in bed, that's where I would ask her to work more often. and to the point where she started resenting me. It's like it's not going to work if I don't wear. I was like it's going to be harder if you don't.
Starting point is 00:26:17 Because you were going through a hard time and dealing with stuff and maybe that's why you needed it even more and maybe you were pushing for it more. Yeah, it makes sense. Absolutely. Yeah. I didn't know where, you know, I was trying to find anything and everything to try to, you know, to distract, make it work. And, you know, and I wanted to, you know, I wanted to, you know, I wanted to, you know,
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Starting point is 00:28:37 I didn't know what, you know, I was trying to find anything and everything to try to, you know, distract yourself, to distract, make it work. And, you know, and I wanted to, you know, I wanted to make everybody happy at the same time. And forget about whatever you were dealing with, right? Like you were, you were in a heavy time of your life. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. And so it didn't work out.
Starting point is 00:29:00 So we both went our ways. And the day that I promised myself, I was not going to be married for at least eight years, was the day that I met my current wife. And funny enough, she was the lady that I was always dreaming of. I always saw these officers in the military, these officers with their nice uniform and their in their dress. And then they had their skirts and their heels and their pain. out of that I was like, oh, all those officers, what wouldn't I do to have one? And sure enough, I bumped into the end to her. And I was like, oh, it was like magic.
Starting point is 00:29:42 It was the full package. And I was happy. And it was God sent right there. And she's fantastic. And she and then figured that I could tell her everything. And even get to the point she was the one. I told her, I was like, well, one day we spoke and I said, you know, there's something I never told anyone. And I told her about the cross dressing.
Starting point is 00:30:11 And I was so nervous today I told her about it. And she's like, are you serious? I was like, yeah. She's like, the next thing I know, she found when they were going to, when they were going to meet, when they were going to have their next big reunion or meeting. and she signed us up and she was going to come with us. Crazy. This was the girl of your dreams. You just thought she was the girl of your dreams for other reasons.
Starting point is 00:30:41 You didn't realize how much she was your girl of your dreams. It was fantastic. Yeah. It was perfect. Third times a charm. Yeah, absolutely. And so sure enough, she, and so we went and she did some shopping with me. she were at the shoe store and she said go ahead try them out i'm like uh what she's like yeah try on the
Starting point is 00:31:02 heel try on the shoes try on the boots try and she's coming with all these different pairs i'm like seriously she's like go ahead and and oh and so we went there and we tried and we tried everything on and it was an experience i met some wonderful people in the lgb q you know uh thing and it was a wonderful experience but it was also a reveal for me at the same time. And that's where I didn't know it 100% until again, I listened to your show. And I do believe that everything, I think what it was with me in the dressing, it was really that I really just was dressing to get that feeling to see how I looked or how I felt when I didn't have that full satisfaction on the other side. Of a woman doing it for you. Of a woman doing it for me.
Starting point is 00:32:02 Yeah, and I also think when you go back to the younger age, you know, when you were young and all these other guys and someone once explained it to me and I was like, oh, duh, that makes sense that most of the time when these little boys are putting them on, a lot of times it's because that's their way of like being with the woman wearing the hose, right? Like they're too young to go out and meet a chick and be in the room and get to touch her leg. So they put it on and they kind of like pretend that they're the girl that they're, you know, wanting to be with. So it's really like a love of women that you're doing it as opposed to it being quote unquote like you're like feminine or whatever yourself. I mean, sometimes people do feel
Starting point is 00:32:40 more feminine when they wear it and that could be. But a lot of times it is about, you know, that's the satisfaction of being with a woman wearing hose because that's really what you desire. Yeah. And if, you know, a lot of times I, would face that mirror and look at the mirror and just focus on the legs and the heels and the more believable it is and yeah absolutely that that was a turn on for me and so when i was there it was just that that feeling of what a woman feels and for a moment you know feeling that femininity that that's that was okay that's how a woman feels when they feel this okay yeah so for that moment of feeling it
Starting point is 00:33:23 I was like, okay, that's how they feel it. And that was the interesting part for a minute. And I enjoyed that. But that was about it. And when you go to that retreat, right? Like what if you realize like I'm not like what was the
Starting point is 00:33:39 sort of revelation that you're not really a cross dresser? It was just something like it was a means to an end. But it wasn't something that you really were fully and you were just really a guy that was into pantyhose is like Is that the conclusion? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:33:53 It was. I'm like, okay, well, I, and you know, I do prefer, you know, just really the pantyholes part of it. And, you know, I'm like, I'm happy with that. I'm not really into the whole crossroads thing. I thought that was, you know, the whole time before that, I was, you know, I would try the whole thing. And I was like, okay, I think I am. I think I am. And then when I got put into it, I was like, okay, you know what?
Starting point is 00:34:19 It's interesting. and I thought I was, but I don't think I am completely anymore. What an interesting story? Oh, it is a lot of. Totally. I was like, geez, you know, I give it to those folks. I mean, to do what they do. And it's like, it's a lot of work.
Starting point is 00:34:36 But it's a great community. I love those folks. They're fantastic people. Yeah, and you have a lot in common. Like, I always say if there's a Venn diagram and like one circle is crosshusters and one circle is hosers, they do overlap. A lot of, most crostressers, you know, when they're getting dress. They're dressing to the nines. So even if they're not obsessed with panty hose, they're putting
Starting point is 00:34:55 panty hose on with their outfits because they want to be as feminine as possible. And, you know, that's the whole package. That's the woman that most hosers want, as well as cross-dessers want to be. So it makes sense. Let's talk. Let's stay with your wife, though. Like, does she, like, did she see you in panty hose? Like, was there a first time where you ever intimate when you were wearing panty hose or do you just, do you like when she wears them when you guys are intimate? Like, how far into your fetish, did your panty, like did your fetish go with your wife, like your current wife?
Starting point is 00:35:26 Besides you're being accepted of, accepting of it, you know? Oh, no, she's great. She, so she'll she'll wear them, she'll wear them in bed, she'll wear them, so she'll have the crotchless ones. Matter of fact, just recently,
Starting point is 00:35:44 we had the University of Texas game that we were going to go watch at a bar and And next thing, I know she wanted to surprise me, and she had the Daisy Duke shorts. She had a nice pair of panty hose on, and she had the cowboy boots on. And so, yeah, we lost the game, but I still, I was still smiling at the end of the game. Yeah, she knows what you like, right? And she's doing it for you.
Starting point is 00:36:11 She's right there with you. She's right there with me. And matter of fact, too, she, you know, we got back to the room one night. and, you know, she had a pair on the bed. She's like, if you want to wear them, go ahead. And I was like, she will, you know, she will indulge me if I want a word. She's like, whatever makes you happy. And I made her listen to your show one time.
Starting point is 00:36:36 And, you know, we talk about it. I said, you know, I really like the analogy of saying, you know, it's the same thing has put in makeup, you know. You know, it's, it's, it's, I. I love you the way you are. I love your legs. And I love you just like your face. But, you know, you like to put makeup just to put that extra on. And I love your legs.
Starting point is 00:37:00 And I like to have panty holes on just to get that extra on there too. And she's like, I love it. Yeah. Now, do you wear for her? Right now, we're not. I don't think she's there yet. And what I'm happy about is that she enjoys. She enjoys the soft panty hose the other day.
Starting point is 00:37:22 She just kept rubbing. I got her a nice pair of soft ones, and she just kept rubbing her legs. She's like, I could wear this forever. I was like, yes. And so I think the more she wears it, the more she's going to enjoy it. And I told her I would like to wear it more often in bed so that we can just both feel each other more often. So, yeah, I think the more we can develop that. that sense. I think she might enjoy it even more.
Starting point is 00:37:51 Now, let's talk, like, brands and stuff, like, and do you go out and shop for her? Does she know what you like and she buys them? Like, do you have a big stash of your own and you share with her, or do you buy ones for her and ones for yourself? Like, and, you know, tell me the brands and the colors and the stuff that you like for her as well as the ones you like for yourself. I've been mainly shopping for her because she... Because she indulges. Yeah. She indulges. And she, um, she indulges. And she, on. always feels well and lately she's been buying some as well she's been trying to buy because we've
Starting point is 00:38:24 been going to some uh country western concerts as well and she wanted to buy some as well but she also prefers me buying because she's like i know sometimes you're the expert she always calls me the expert and i'm like well i'm i mean they've had so many leaps and bounds and and hosery since uh since the times I used to buy a lot more, but I, the colors I always kind of like to go for are usually those neutral tones, the tans, the naturals, but I do like the off black or the barely black, the colors they call. It's like a grayish color. I always like those the most. Those are Usually the colors that I kind of go around. Some of the seam, I kind of like the old styles too.
Starting point is 00:39:22 I do sometimes think about going back towards the stockings, but like the old style seam stockings, secrets and lace type things. Sometimes are kind of nice, maybe going back into the 50s type styles. One of the things that my wife and I kind of enjoy, doing is going to the nudist resorts we kind of like and not too long ago they did have a they did have a Halloween contest and so my wife and I we decided to go as a there's a TV show called
Starting point is 00:40:03 the peekie blinders and she decided she decided to have her version as a bad girl the peeky blinders and she had stockings on with a little garter belt and that was kind of a fun costume that she had on as well and now okay so you we talked about the colors you are you still into her wearing heels too and everything like all of that stuff even though you don't like you know because i know that that was stuff that you always noticed i do i so i got her a pair of you know classic black pumps like the ones that she used to wear when she was in the service And so we do kind of do sometimes a little bit of role play. And so she always calls me her, you know, her army guy.
Starting point is 00:40:50 And I'm always like, yes, ma'am. And I got her like a little blue skirt, but a little bit shorter than regulation. And she'll have her panty hose on, but then she'll have her black comp song. And yeah, we'll do a little bit of role play like that. but that's where I put in the shoes and play, and that does turn me on a lot still. Did she have a lot of questions in the beginning? Like, do you remember, like, when you told her, like, you know,
Starting point is 00:41:18 because, listen, you've been kind of, like, out with a lot of these women. Like, what would you tell other people, like, is the best way to approach a woman, when to tell them, like, how did it work for you so well? My biggest thing is the way I used to tell them, it was always telling when they were, would I would wait for the first time that they would kind of dress up. Like, if they, we would take them out somewhere nice, a nice place, say that we would go somewhere nice. And they would dress up and they would wear any sort of hosries. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:54 Sometimes they would wear something to impress or they would have lingerie on or they would have the hosry. I would tell them expressively that, oh, that that's my favorite part or that, I, my, My favorite word would be to say, that's my weakness right there. My ukuley's tendon. That's, you know, that if you really want to, you know, get me to shake, that's going to be it right there. Then they like to find my weakness. And I think that's usually something that would get them going. And then, but then progressively, then I could feed off of that.
Starting point is 00:42:30 And then they'd realize, oh, I didn't realize it was that. Yeah, I was like, yeah, yeah. because you're but like I guess the only time it became a problem with with your second wife at some point she started to resent it and do you think it's because you were pushing too much like what's the difference between like your wife now not resenting it and her getting to the point where it became a problem well I think it was a bit of a mix of events the first thing is the frequency of my deployments after 9-11 had increase, agreed. You said that, yeah. Yeah, because I was gone so often, and I had changed a lot. You know, I had changed a lot mentally. I was a little bit different.
Starting point is 00:43:22 I was going through a lot. Yeah, makes sense, of course. That was really the catalyst. And you explained that before. Yeah, there was some friction. There were some things. And so as we were trying to work things out, We were, yeah, there was a little bit of, so it didn't take much.
Starting point is 00:43:41 And at the same time, there was some resentment. So you mix everything together. It was just, everything was just falling apart. So that was just one of the, it was just one of the reasons. And she was just at that point, just like, yeah, I feel like you just, it doesn't work without me having to wear this. And she, you know, I was like, okay. So I think the truth came out at that point, too. Exactly. How long have you, how long have you been with this wife again?
Starting point is 00:44:10 About 13 years. Wow. And she's never tired of it or stopped wearing or anything. Like, does she really enjoy it herself? Do you think? Yeah. There was a, there was a time where she took a little bit of a break for a little bit of time. Plus, we live in a climate right here where it's not too common. We're a little bit more in into the south. But so it's mainly, you know, until the winter comes, it's mainly more of a, you know, a bedroom play type of item. But now it's like we're a little bit more, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:44:56 I feel like we're, where we live and it's like we, somehow we get our kink back on. It's a way of saying it. We're re-energized and things are revitalizing and we're happier again. There was a time where we were a little bit apart, not really apart, but we kind of like focused on our careers and we weren't really into this. And so it was a little bit different. But now we're more focused on each other. and she's like, okay, let's have fun.
Starting point is 00:45:36 Yeah, that's awesome. Let's talk Danier. I haven't talked about that with you. Do you have a specific type and like with a number you like? I think in general I do like the like 20 then year. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, I've always been a big Wolford. I've always liked Wolford's as well.
Starting point is 00:45:57 I forget. Which ones are the popular ones? Wolford. think of it. Yeah, the wolfords, but there was the satin touch and there was another one too. Oh, the woolfer. Oh, the neon 40s, yeah. Yeah, neon 40s. I still remember after I got out of the military, one of the first jobs that I took, because my wife was still serving for a while. I retired first. And that was one of the things with me in the military. My last duty station, they assigned me so that I could be with my wife was the Pentagon.
Starting point is 00:46:32 And the women everywhere over there, all the services, they all were in those uniforms. And I'm like, I couldn't focus on my work. It was difficult. But when I retired, my first job I took was working for a major airline at the airport. And so I had to deal with a lot of the flight crews as well. And that didn't help. And my wife, one time, decided to come and surprise me. and she decided to wear a nice skirt and she had some
Starting point is 00:47:04 wolf her neon 40s underneath the skirt and she came to see me and then we went back on the personnel bus and I was like you realize you have the prettiest leg on the bus yeah and she's wearing your favorite hose I mean she knew though right like she does that for you she did do it for me I mean if you really think about it it's not like that big of an ask as far as like telling a girl, oh my God, if you wear a hose, like you were going to just turn me the fuck on. Like that's all I need, right? Like, I don't know. As a girl, I'd be like, really, that's it. Plus, I could wear hose and hide all my flaws and it can make my legs look perfect and better. You know, I don't think it's such a bad deal. I don't know why guys are
Starting point is 00:47:48 a afraid of it as well as B, like some guys have gotten pushback from their girls, right? No, I don't, yeah, I don't understand. I think it, I mean, It should be flattering, and I think it should be flattering for both the guy and the girl. Because just not too long ago, we just had a big reception where my wife and I work, and my wife wore a nice dress. And again, like I said, we live somewhere where it's fairly warm, but she had a nice pair of light pannies. You could still notice she was wearing.
Starting point is 00:48:28 pannials, but they were pretty and it looked very pretty on her legs. And it was amazing. It was a nighttime event and it was still kind of dark, but you could still tell. But because they had a nice little sheen to it. But it was amazing how many men could tell. And I felt, I felt very flattered. And I told my wife, I was like, it is amazing. the amount of men standing right next to their wives still admiring how pretty your legs are.
Starting point is 00:49:03 And you could tell. And I could tell. Of course. And my wife is like, and my wife is looking and she's not embarrassed. And she's like, hmm. And to the point where even at the end of the event, everybody had to step out to enjoy the fireworks. And there was a man that even cut between my wife and me at the exit. And he's like, oh, I'm so sorry.
Starting point is 00:49:26 I'm like, go ahead. I was like, I understand. Oh, my God. Isn't it funny? Only hosers would know and only girls that know that hosers exist would know because I see some girls sometimes sport in like tan leggings in the summer with like, you know, sandals. And I'm like, some girls are looking at her like, oh my God, you've got the worst fashion faux pot going on right now. But what that girl doesn't understand that that girl is turning so many guys on, right?
Starting point is 00:49:55 It was a very much a surprise for me that, you know, guys really were into this and this is what they were into. You know, and a lot of people don't know, but like you, someone who knows, I could see, like, once I started to know that this was guys, the guys were into it, I would like wear hose for my hosers and go out and I would notice guys looking. Or if I saw girls with panty hose walking down the street, I'd look at other guys and I'd see them. So it's like you knew these guys were looking at her. And the truth is, there's a lot of guys that have a Panios fetish. Mm-hmm, absolutely. And more than you even, and that's the thing about living down in the South. It's such a rarity that the guys are probably a little bit less discreet than probably up north.
Starting point is 00:50:43 Yeah, but like the other thing that I, like, what I always say is like, and it's the reason why I started my Patreon thing, because there are so many guys that have a panty hose fetish. And there's a lot of guys that just like to see them on women, but a lot of guys that wear too. And I always say like, oh, if you put like a 50 guys, I would say maybe, maybe even just 30 guys in a room and lock them in and make them all drop their pants, maybe one of them's going to be wearing panty hose.
Starting point is 00:51:07 I mean, I think it's kind of common. I mean, that's why I started my Patreon tier with the pantyho's fetish as well as a cross-chessing tier, because those were two of the biggest fetishes. And I had so much content, I was like, okay, I could add like, you know, specific episodes, like exclusive episodes there just so that my fetish Fridays could be all kinds of, you know, fetish episodes on there and not just hosers, but if I wanted to just do a hoser episode every
Starting point is 00:51:31 Friday I could because I, you know, I get so many emails after I post an episode, you know, because there's so many of you guys out there. Did you ever feel, I mean, my last question to you is like, you know, having this fetish all your life, like, how did you feel about it? I mean, you've had women be okay with it. It became a problem with your second wife. This wife's totally into it. But even before them, like, did you ever have any confusion about it?
Starting point is 00:51:55 Did you feel shame about it? Or were you always just okay with it? Well, before I knew that it was so common, I did think that there was something wrong with me. Yeah. You know, I was worried. I was like, I honestly, I even got in trouble when I was in the military because when the Internet started becoming a thing. At one point, I went into my first office and I started browsing the first pennyholes models at the time. I found their websites.
Starting point is 00:52:35 And back then, it was dial-ups still. It was like going so slow. And I was trying to download things on a disk. And I didn't understand anything about computers other than that. And next thing I knew, I got called into my. first arms office because it was discovered that I had been doing that. So that was my first big embarrassment about public embarrassment. But yeah, I thought there was something definitely wrong.
Starting point is 00:53:07 But then again, I was on those website. And so I started noticing that, hey, you know, there's models. And these models have apparently these husbands. that are wearing with them, that's hot. So apparently there's people catering to this. So I'm not the only one. Yeah, and that changes the game, right? Like, that's what it's all about.
Starting point is 00:53:33 So I started realizing that there was a community. And then there were magazines at the time that started coming out called Leg Show. Diane Hanson. Yeah. Yeah, I had her on my show many times. Wow. Yeah. So I started realizing, okay, it's not that uncommon.
Starting point is 00:53:55 And so, yeah, the shame started going away. And then listening to your show and realizing, hey, well, okay, there's strength in the numbers. I like this. So, no, absolutely. And I love that. And listen, I tell everybody now, not just for you, but any other hoser that wants to call in, now I give people free access. I used to not be, I've been doing Patreon for a long time.
Starting point is 00:54:20 They never allowed free memberships or any kind of gifting things and now. But now they do. So I now give any hoser or cross jester who calls into my show a free year of my Patreon, the hoser tier, you'll get a free year. So you could get all that exclusive content. And I do an extra exclusive episode there, you know, every month. So, you know, you'll be able to listen to all the episodes over there. There's so much more.
Starting point is 00:54:44 All my interviews with Diane Hansen, we have contests over there. It's super fun community. Plus, you're going to get free access to my Discord. After we hang up, you'll get a link to the free access to my Discord. And there's a lot of hoser channels in there for you to check out. But do me a favor if you want to send pictures of your stash or anything for my Patreon. That's cool. I mean, I won't take pictures of your wife unless she knew you were calling in.
Starting point is 00:55:10 But if not, you know, what hosers typically send in is, you know, maybe pictures of their stash or whatever. If you have them, you know, send them to me. and send them to me sooner than later. But I will email you the day before the episode goes up because it'll go up on my Patreon first. And I will, though, after we hang up sometime today, sometimes I forget, I'll send it tomorrow. I'll send you the free link to Patreon though for as well.
Starting point is 00:55:32 So you get a whole year free, okay? Okay. And yeah, my wife knows I was going to call. Oh, okay. She loves it. Oh, I love that. Maybe she should call in. I love to hear from women who are okay with the whole
Starting point is 00:55:45 panty host thing. I don't know. I'm putting a shout out to your wife if she's listening to this. If you want to call in and talk about your husband's fetish, I love hearing from the women. I think guys love hearing from the women that are okay with it and are down and all that kind of stuff. But anyway, for now, though, you know, send me some picks and all that kind of good stuff. And thanks so much for calling in and sharing your story. It was super interesting.
Starting point is 00:56:06 Thanks for having me. I love it. Thank you, Mark. Bye. Take care. Bye. Okay. I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly not
Starting point is 00:56:17 Miss Confession, Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers is now available not only in paperback and e-book, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is basically 17 different stories taken from my show. I kind of picked one story from each category that I talk about on my show. Like there's a hot wife story. There's a cuck queen story. There's a cuck story. There's a gang being. girl story. Like I said, 17 stories, and they're all told in the third person, and they're all true. I took the interview and rewrote it in the third person, and I wouldn't really call it like a total erotica book. Think like penthouse letters. It's more direct. It's not so over the top like erotica.
Starting point is 00:57:06 I don't really like that kind of vibe, right? But these are true stories. 17 of them. They're really short chapters, easy read. You could read, you know, one or two. And, you know, one or two. and then skip around. You could read the whole book. It's available in eback format, paperback format, and finally, the audio book is available coming out August 25th, but you could pre-order it now. And if you buy my book in any format or pre-order it, I will throw in a complimentary link to my Discord. My Discord does not disappoint, okay? There's no way you get into my Discord any other way than getting the link from me. Okay, I give it to people who buy my book. There's tons of people there. Everybody shares content with each other and that's what you get to do there. You can post
Starting point is 00:57:52 your own pictures and videos. There's tons of channels. We have lots of contests where you can win a lot of money. It's a super fun place to be. It's a total strictly anonymous community and you will love it. I will be giving anyone who buys my book access to my Discord. It's private. Like I said, all you got to do is email me a screenshot of your purchase, whether you did the audiobook, the ebook or the paperback. Send it to me at Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com. That's Strictly Anonymous Podcast at gmail.com. And I will send you the link to Discord.
Starting point is 00:58:28 So anyway, thanks so much for tuning in. This is the Strictly Anonymous podcast.

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