Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1354 - Deep Throating, How to Bang a MILF, What Women Really Want in Bed and More w/Adam

Episode Date: February 1, 2026

Adam called in o ask Kathy a few questions including what makes sex bad and what can a guy do to make sex great with a woman, how to complimenting works during sex, what is number one thing all women like in the bedroom, how can a guy find out what turns a girl on, how to get your girl into deep throating and anal, what to do and what not to do to bang a MILF, and do age gap relationships work. Tune in to hear Kathy’s answers plus hear them both discuss how and why complimenting works during sex and ow to do it, what guys really think about deep thrusting and girls who squirt, what guys enjoy most about anal, Adams first and only pegging experience and exactly what went down, Kathy’s age gap booty call guy and what went down plus a whole lot more. GET A COPY OF THE STRICTLY ANONYMOUS BOOK! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY HERE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To see HOT pics of my female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712   Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show." Want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. All voices are changed.   Sponsors: ⁠⁠https://www.promescent.com/STRICTLY15⁠⁠ For 15% off Promescent's Delay Spray ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://vb.health⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — To get 10% off DRIVE BOOST by VB Health use code: STRICTLY ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Get 10% OFF your first month of Bluechew GOLD! Use code: STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠https://butterwellness.com⁠⁠⁠ Get the Butter massager and get 20% off your whole order ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.quince.com/strictlyanon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — For premium quality Quince clothing plus FREE shipping and 365 day returns ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠PikaVibe.com/Strictly⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Click to get $15 OFF your purchase Follow me! Instagram  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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SDC.com or just go to the description and click on the link. Okay, today I have on my Mike called in. He's very poorly. He's got a primary partner, which is his wife. He's been with her for very many years. And then he also has like four other girlfriends. Oh my God. And every one of those girlfriends has a whole thing going on. Like one girlfriend has a husband and a trans person that they're in a thruple with. And they've had a five sum. And then he had a six some with like five girls and him. And sometimes his wife is included. And sometimes she's not. And he's into guys. And he goes to like glory holes. And he's very free. His wife is very open. this isn't like the typical open relationship where there was like any kind of rules or regulations. This is a very different vibe. Poly people tend to roll very different than like swingers and stuff. It's always like hard for me to get wrap my head around their situations and get their origin story. Like I get it from somebody else because it's not like a straight line. It's much more open. So you might be just as confused as I am.

I don't know. It's always hard for me to get like this story from a poly person. And so you'll hear me struggling in the beginning, but I still am getting a story, and it is super interesting. At first, like I said, it starts out a bit confusing, but then it becomes more clear, and it's a super interesting setup that works. It's worked for a very long time for him and his wife. It's interesting the way that it's set up. There's a lot of players in this story. He's got a lot of sack that's going down.

He talks all about it. So anyway, I'm going to get right to and be right back on. Mike. Hi, Mike. Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. How are you today? good thanks for having me thanks for calling in now listen mike i was looking over your little thing that you wrote in just to give me a heads up of what we're talking about and i got confused just reading it okay

because i was like whoa okay and i'm going to read it because i don't know how to sum it up real quick it's this you know me my wife have always been open uh but since my 50th birthday i have found myself dating three people plus or one time all five of us meaning the three girls that you're dating plus your wife all got together plus one of my girlfriends has a husband a girlfriend and a boyfriend who play with us sometimes oh man god i'm confused another girlfriend is a part of a couple i play with my other girlfriend has a lot of other lovers i haven't met yet okay so this is like one of those polly situations is this a polly deal with you or d's just like fuck buddies on the side because i feel like those are two different stories oh this is this is a polly deal like i've had fuck buddies in the past but that's

different okay i didn't just talk to you the other day and tape with you the same story this isn't the same person I talked to last week. Who did I talk to last week? That had a whole Polly situation. That's not you. You didn't call twice, right? No. No, it's not me.

Oh my God, you're not going to even believe it. You almost sound like him too. Okay. And it's funny, but he's younger, you know, so I expect it more from the younger generation, all of these, like, relationships and people involved in the relationship. But from a 50-year-old, here you are like, oh, my God, you're, like, rolling, like, the 25-year-olds with all this Polly shit going down.

It's really confusing. Fuses me, but I love these episodes because I think they're super interesting. Okay, so listen, Mike, tell me something. How long have you and your wife been married? Nine years. Nine years. Okay, first marriage or now? Second marriage. Okay, for the both of you? Yes. Okay. So how did, how and why did you guys initially even just open up your relationship to begin with? Forget about all the girlfriends and boyfriends you guys have now. Just like, how did you start in opening it up and why? And when? I think there was like a third or so date that she invited me to do something kinky and she was worried that I'd run out of the room and then I was really excited. What was the thing that she asked you to do? Wear pantyhose and get tied up. Oh, she wanted you. Oh my God.

Do you know that I have a whole pantyho's fetish tear on my Patreon because I found out that there's all these guys that love pantyhose. Turns out your girl wanted you to wear pantos? Yes. Interesting. I might need to have her on my show. Okay, so she had like this crazy ask, and instead of you being turned off, you were like, turned off. Yeah, I was super excited. And so, and I think also, too, like, even though, you know, my gender's a little fluid, but most places I represent as a man and she's a woman.

Like, I think also, like, we were both kind of done with straight people, and that was a part of us getting together as knowing that. Were you Polly before her? Yes. With your ex-wife? With my ex-wife, it was kind of complicated. With my ex-wife, I told her the first date that I was Polly and that I wasn't offering monogamy. I told her that when we got engaged, but it kind of became a thing. She made it kind of this thing that was my thing that I brought up. Well, sounds like you did. Yeah. Well, maybe she wasn't into it. Maybe she wasn't into it. Maybe she wasn't into it.

Yeah, of course. That makes sense. So how have you always, I mean, you're 50-year-old man now, but like, have you always known that you're Polly and what does Polly mean to you? Well, I mean, you know, I have a rant that I give, especially if I'm like coming out to someone is that I don't really think it's a binary, right? Like somebody's most heteronormative grandparents, maybe like he spends a lot of time with his model trains in the basement. Maybe she flirts with a milkman, even though they haven't kissed ever anyone else in 50 years. there's still energy inside and outside the relationship. But in contrast, you know, I lived, I lived in a collective house, and one of the rooms there was this couple and like she was dating a woman across the street and he was dating another woman across street and then one of them left that situation and then they became a thruple. What does this have to do with you? Why do Polly people always confuse me even in just the way that they talk?

It's like you just, you people are just confusing. I don't know. What does this have to do with how you always knew you were Polly? Well, I mean, I think I, my point is that like, Polly people still have boundaries. No, no, I'm not talking. Listen, I could get in a whole discussion with you with Polly people because you just made it.

You just threw a sentence in before that you think it's binary and, you know, someone might flirt with the mailman and you think that's Polly. But like, you know, I could go off on that for an hour. I love a good debate. Like, seriously. And I love those bigger picture topics. But we, I want to stay focused on you because I want to get your whole story. and you have all these people in the story.

So I'm just trying to hone in on. Just answer the question. Like, when did you know you were Polly? And what did that mean to you? Did you just know since you were day one? You didn't want to date one person and you wanted to love more than one person? Like, what's the deal? My first sexual experience when I was like 15 was a group of women that surrounded me in a movie theater.

Okay. And we're kind of rough with me. And I got overwhelmed at the time. Like, kind of got a little rough with me. wanted me to whip it out and stuff. But stopped when I got overwhelmed, but I think that really set my arousal pattern. Yeah. And then I just have been around Polly people a lot. So you tried Polly with people before this wife, right? Like you tried it with your first wife. It sounds like right out of the get-go you were like with multiple people your whole life, right?

Okay. So never really monogamous with one person. Well, I've been monogamous here and there, but I would I've been more polly than monogamous. Right. Now, there is a difference to me between having an open relationship in mind of fuck other people and being poly. You mean being poly like you are in love with other people. I just want to make

sure we're still on that same page. Yes. Okay. So you meet, let's just get to this girl because I want to get all the stories of all the girlfriends you have now. You meet this woman. She's pretty kinky right from the get-go. And when, what comes after that thing? Because, listen,

And her asking you to do things solo in the bedroom, just you and her is one kind of kinky. But, you know, for you guys to go out and fuck other people and have other boyfriends and girlfriends and all that kind of stuff is a whole other kind of kinky. Like when does it sort of turn into that where you guys have an open relationship? I think, I'm not sure the sequence. I remember that she, uh, there's this like kind of joke about like there's this day of May that people say it's international. tell your crush day and she told her crush and then she was dating this other woman and then also we well no no wait you guys are dating and she was dating other people she was dating other people she was with you yeah not not not not that far in our relationship she was dating other people okay but

when does that conversation come into play i don't know why it's so hard for me to get like the straight answer from you like when do you guys have a discussion about she wants to be polly you want to be polly You just knew that you guys were that way. And you said, like, you were always, like, from the get-go knowing that you guys were going to be in an open relationship. Maybe that's the answer. Like, it was never going to be a monogamous relationship. I don't think we ever, yeah, I don't think there was ever that expectation. So you both knew going in.

So that kinky first night meant nothing. That was just a par for the course because you knew you're with an open woman that's going to be having girlfriends and you're going to be having girlfriends. So you guys just went into your relationship knowing that, correct? Yes. Oh, my God. So, now, so once you start with her, do you guys decide to have like any kind of rules within your Pauly situation? Like, are you guys primary? Like, do you, are you guys each other's primary partner and then you have other people or is everyone equal?

I mean, there's a lot of different terms in even within Polly. There was a period where she had a girlfriend that we had some tension about. How come? And where we had trouble. I think partly because she and I did not get along. Like I don't need to date people. that my wife's dating, but I do want...

To like them as people. But I do want to, like, connect to them in some way, you know? Well, let me ask you how this whole situation works. Okay, so you guys are together. Now, do you guys live together? You're married at this point? Let's get to when you're married. Do you get married early on? We got married about two years

after we met. Okay, so you're married. She, you're both, like, open and, like, hooking up with other people looking for potential other partners, correct? From the gecko. Yes, but I do want to like connect to them in some way, you know. Well, let me ask you how this whole situation, how your Polly situation works. Okay, so you guys are together. Now, do you guys live together?

You're married at this point? Let's get to when you're married. Do you get married early on? We got married about two years after we met. Okay, so you're married. She, you're both like open and like hooking up with other people looking for potential other partners, correct? From the gecko.

Yes. Okay. Do you look for guys and girls? You said you were kind of fluid. Yes. Okay. You date men and women. Yes. Okay. And you've always known your sexually fluid since the dawn of time. Like always, you always have been into guys and girls?

No, it was something that I was conscious of when I was younger and then I kind of buried it for quite a while and that kind of like came back. Like. probably in my late 20s, it kind of came back. So there was about 10 years that I thought I was straight. Okay, but by the time you get with your girl, you've already been there, done that with guys, right? And you've been with guys and everything.

Are you, right? Yes. Yes. And you knew that you're not only like to suck a dick every now. Then you also wanted to, like, date a man, and you could feel romantic for a man, because I think that those are two totally different things. Yeah, I have not been as in many.

I've been more sexual with men, and I have not been in a lot. lot of relationships with men. I think I've only had one man that I thought was like my boyfriend. Okay. You know, and then it's more been sex with men, but, you know, I'm not opposed to it. I get it. You're open.

You're open. Like, if the right guy came around, you never know. It's not like you're saying, no, but you just have, you haven't, you found more women that you were romantically compatible with so far than men. That makes sense, you know. It's hard for me to find. a man I like romantically too you know what I mean slim pickens I'm just joking right yeah like like men are not socialized to be good at romance you know what I'm saying I got it I got it it it would make sense okay so

now and you know going in that your girl is also into checks right like she's also fluid yes okay so she's she's like slightly genderqueer she's not as fluid as I am okay but she likes to hook up with women obviously and she has some girl friends yes Okay. So you guys start having girlfriends right from the beginning. Both of you had your own girlfriends. Did you get into the, did you come into the relationship with other partners or did you, did you acquire them as you went along? I think she had a girlfriend first. Okay. I was kind of going to play parties and I was like fucking around, but I wasn't dating anybody for a while. Now let me ask you this because it sounds like you guys are so free and open and I think sometimes in, situations like this, there's no real needs for, need for rules or regulations because you guys are just like a different breed. But like, I wonder, because you guys are like right from the get go,

very open. It sounds like playing solo a lot, right? Like I'm going, you're saying I'm going to play parties, which means you're going solo and she's got a girlfriend, which means she's, you know, having a relationship someplace else without you. Were there any rules or anything between the two of you? Because those kinds of things can fuck up a relationship. sometimes. You never know. I mean, with one girlfriend that I, there was tension around. There was tension around kind of scheduling and what,

you know, I think what the one girlfriend so like her time with my wife was so limited, right? And that was hard for her. But then when you're married with someone, when you're living with someone, so much of your time is just keeping the household running and then falling asleep. that I felt like I didn't get my share of quality time.

Yeah, I could imagine. Yeah, these are the kinds of things that I think would naturally come up in these kinds of situations, especially eventually. You have four different girlfriends or three, you know what I mean? And you just wonder, and I think that that can create a problem. If you don't have some kind of boundaries or rules set or guidelines to follow, so to make sure that that kind of stuff over time, if left unattended, it doesn't cause a divide in your relationship with your primary partner.

I mean, and so you were like feeling it. Like, you know what? This doesn't feel right. So you spoke up. Oh, I also have PTSD, so I sometimes can't access my feelings in the moment. Oh, my God. So you don't remember. So like you're saying like it was like anything kind of that wasn't, that was negative.

You don't have that much access to it. Is that what happens to you because of your PTSD? That's kind of interesting. It's more like, hey, do you mind if I go on this trip? And I wouldn't be able to, like, know if I was okay with it in the moment. So I had to ask for a few days. No, I don't understand. What the fuck are you talking about?

Are we talking about trips? Okay. You can't understand. I'm asking you about your feelings with your relationship. And you're saying it's hard for you to access them because you have PTSD. That's just how you roll. It's hard for you to remember. So how that played out is I would get asked if I was okay with her being away with her girlfriend on a trip.

and I wouldn't know right away. And then I have feelings a few days after. So we got to a point where... Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, listen, I think a lot of people are like that. It's a problem. Yeah. So, like, I would say, I need a few days.

Like, when you ask me, I need a few days to connect to my feelings about it. Yeah, listen, know thyself is like my favorite saying, and it sounds so easy, but it's not. But it's, like, amazing that you know that about yourself so you could tell your partner, hey, listen, like, this is how I roll. Like, I don't know. I'm not going to be aware of my feelings today. but three days from now I might have some feelings so check back with me then right it goes a long way to be able to tell her that so she understands that about you yeah which is cool

yeah I don't know that we have hard and fast rules I think we have like some clarity on what what we have to talk about and what we don't have to talk about I don't have to tell her like every sexual thing I do mostly because like it was just like if you stop at the adult bookstore on the way home I don't really need to know that at the moment. I think we're good at talking about it. I think it's good at like kind of being part of our pillow talk. Uh-huh. You know, sometimes I'm, I'm nervous about if I've gone outside the lines and I, you know, but I, I'm able to ask and I get reassured and that feels really nice. That's always a big relief. Yeah, because it doesn't sound like you drew any lines and that's, that's why, like, lines are great to like, you know, keep track of or have set in place so that you don't have to worry if you crossed it because you know them ahead of time. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? But it doesn't sound like you guys created them. And it does sound like you're very free. But listen, you've been with your girl for what, 15 years. Is that what you said? 11. 11. Okay, but that's a long time.

So obviously you, because you've been doing this from the get-go, you guys have been successful at it. And like I said, it seems like it's very open and free and without any lines. But it seems like you must have such great communication that when it something does come up, you guys can talk about it and do talk about it, obviously. I think there's like a really. line about canceling plans or being really, really late for plans. With each other for the other person, for the other, another person out of the, yeah.

So you guys kind of are primary, right? Like, I've learned that some poly people, everyone's equal. And some people probably people role like, you know, their partner, their one partner, their initial partner is the primary partner and everybody is like secondary. I mean, she also like when I started dating always a firm, but I am your wife, you know. And then I'm primary. And I'm okay with that, yes. Okay.

So now, when do all your girlfriends come into play? And has she always been okay? I know that there was one girlfriend that you had a problem with because you didn't like. Now, was she always very okay with all of your girlfriend, especially when you got like all of these together? Like you got like a lot of them rolling at one time? I think she goes for a period of getting to know them. So like the one who lives in a place that's just, you know, a little racist and transphobic.

Not that the girlfriend is, and it freaked her out that I had kind of gone off with this person I had just met. But once she gets to know people, there's definitely like she feels much better once she gets to know people. So she'll listen. That makes sense. She's a little protective over like who you're going to be with, and she wants to understand who they are too. I would understand. Like, you know, that makes total sense. And it's not like, you know, they have that saying keep your enemies close or close or whatever.

Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer. And not that these women are enemies, but she'd be a fool not to fucking do her homework on who these other women are. Do you know what I mean? And wouldn't you, aren't you the same way? Don't you want to know who the fuck these people are that she's dating? Does she ever date guys? She's dating somebody who's kind of trans-masculine right now? Yeah, she sometimes dates guys.

Okay. You guys just, this is so funny to me, this kind of stuff. I don't know why it's so confusing to me, but it is. But I think like, you know, what is the appeal of this? kind of relationship. Is it that it's, this is what I came to the conclusion. I talked to a girl recently that was doing all this and I was like, oh my God, it's so confusing.

But then I realized, oh, maybe you're just so, like, intelligent and you have like such a mind that is like so intense that like all of this confusion just like helps keep you grounded and like helps you not be bored, right? Like maybe you'd be so fucking bored in a regular relationship. Though this sounds so exhausting to me. What I think is that this is exactly like what people like you and like your girl or probably people are wired. for. Anything else would be like, wouldn't feel correct. Right. Yeah, we both have pretty bad ADHD.

And I didn't get treated until like last year. No. Did the treatment work? I think I have ADHD. That's why I can't fucking understand you too. We got two ADHDs on here. I was never labeled either. I don't think any of us were back in the day. They just, you know, but wait, so did the medication work? It's getting better. I'm in that phase of treatment where I am, it almost feels like it's getting worse. But the reason it feels like that is because I'm noticing it. Oh, because you're becoming more focused enough to notice it. So maybe you're not as ADHD. You're so on ADHD that you can actually notice your slight ADHD. Whereas before you were so ADHD, you couldn't even fucking notice it. That's how ADHD I am. I could explain that whole thing.

Yeah. That's correct. Yeah. So I think we crave kind of stimulation and dopamine and. that's part of it. Yeah. Yeah, totally. I get it. Okay, so let's get to like all the, like you go to play parties and sex. Like, what is all the kind of sex that's going down with all these people? Like, does somebody kind of give you a little bit different than somebody yet? Like, is everyone giving you something different or they all very vanilla? Are you going to sex clubs with these people? Like, what kind of things are you doing with all these people, including your wife? So, you know, my wife doesn't play out as much as possible. I think the girlfriend that was kind of difficult after that, she got really focused on like kind of other things in her life, but that also sometimes pulled her away from a bit. Like, you know, there was certain... I asked about the sex. I asked about the sex. Like, what's going down sex related to these? No, no, but there were times that she wasn't available that I was like filling that time. Oh, you mean she wasn't available for sex with you? or not even just sex like but she's just not you know she's doing other things and she's not around and so I feel that time often with dating and sex with other people with other people you know

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I think one thing that happened early on in, like, dating the person I met, like, kind of in the spring was that she gets upset if I canceled plans. with her or if I fail to make plans with her. And I've learned that I can't have too many transitions in a day. What does transitions mean? So, so if I'm hanging out with someone, I need to like just not have anything that's happening later because I need to just focus on the moment and focus on what we're doing and not be like, have to leave for something else. She, with her, meaning if you have plans with her, you're not going to be. leaving her to go meet a girlfriend? Or vice versa.

So like a few months ago, the one I was newly dating, we went to her girlfriend's house and we're hanging out around her girlfriend's house for him next time. And then she called me out of the blue and offered to go to this play party with me at this space I really like.

And she hadn't offered to do that in a while. So I was like, yeah, because I was excited that she was calling me up and offering to do something. But then I kind of like was very late because I just kind of got sucked into the vortex of the person's house. And so I've learned like... She comes first. Make plans with somebody. Be there for as long as it is.

Don't make two plans in one day. But your wife, but you, like if you would have said no to your wife's plans, that would have been a problem too. Okay. Sorry. Like,

it's not like you could just have your day not a, available to your wife if half your day is with somebody else, you're going to tell your wife, sorry, I have no time for you because I have one plans with my other girlfriend. That's what you're saying, roll is okay? No, it's just so, I mean, she might have been okay if I said, you know, I'm already out somewhere and I'm having a good time. Could we make a different plan? Listen, you just shouldn't have been fucking late. Okay. End a story. That's it. She just wants, listen, I get where she's coming from. Like, you know, you're like, she's feeling like rejected because you're like not thinking of her. It's rude. I feel the same way if my friend's

fucking late. I don't care who it is. You know what I mean? It's just like it's not about not scheduling people. It's just being on time. You know what I mean? You should just been on time or thoughtful enough to be like, oh, I'm running late. You don't know what I mean? To not think about somebody, whether it's your wife or your friend while you're out having fun when you made plans with them is just disrespectful of their time. That's it. I don't think it's that to you.

And I'm just saying like I've figured out that for me to not do that again, I need to plan out what I'm doing with whom and not have a transition like if I'm hanging out with someone in the morning I'm not going to make plans in the afternoon with someone but I you know I'm just going to heed your warning and then I need to get some

sex stories out of you because this just sounds like a confusing mess and but like you know if you have plans with one of your girlfriends in the morning to spend the day and go to brunch and you slipped over her house like if your wife wants plans with you later that day I don't don't think it's going to be great if you say sorry i can i can't do transitions i think you when it comes to your wife you got a transition for her but nobody else okay don't you think yes she's not going to be happy if you can't transition her into a day just because you have

plans with one of your other girlfriends for a couple of hours don't you think i think she'd rather get a clear answer of what we're doing yeah i get it it's hard to get a clear answer from you i get because I'm talking to you for 27 minutes. Yeah. She does want me to prioritize her and I do prioritize her. Of course. Yes. As you should. That's all I'm saying.

I understand where she's coming from. I'm a chick. You know what I mean? I know girls, right? I know a girl brain. It's just, it's just, it's not even like jealousy or anything. You know, it has nothing to do with the other, but it's just, you know, especially if she's not someone that can't prioritize and be on time and all that kind of stuff.

So you had like a five-sum recently where everyone was involved? Like, was that a fucking orgy? Like, what happened when you said there's five people? involved everyone at once. Yes, it was exciting. I had wanted that since kind of all these relationships had developed, but it had never quite happened.

And then it was one person's birthday. And she invited us all over, and it was good. And we weren't like kind of going at each other all the time or in the same room. Like one person just wanted to watch and two people went off and I went off with someone else. But it was fun.

kind of were all together and it felt nice. But like who, like, is it all, paint the picture. Is it all chicks and you, are you the only guy there or are there other guys there? Like, you know, is it all lesbian action that you're getting to watch? Like, what's happening? Are you fucking all that? Right, I was the only guy there. Oh, my God, really?

And now are all the women hot that are there? I mean, they're hot. I think they're hot, yes. And did they all, like, were they all into each other? kind of how things flowed that night is one person just kind of is really you know sometimes feels very sexual and sometimes really just wants to be there and then one of my girlfriends and my wife spent some time and I come and hang and do stuff with them sporadically and then the one that I met in the spring and I kind of just kind of went out of a lot of the time oh interesting so but did you how many of them

did you fuck that night? Oh. Do you remember? That night I fucked my wife and the other one and then I think I kind of fooled around with one of them and the other one just wanted to watch that night. Now what's your favorite thing? I mean, it sounds like you've been to play parties. You know, you've hooked up with guys, your girl, you know, you see her with other

girls. You've had threesomes with other women. Like, what is your top of the mountain kind of experience because you kind of have a lot available to you? Like, what do you love when it comes down to, like, the bedroom? What's your favorite scenario since you've kind of been there, done that? I really like it when people squirt on me, when women squirt on me, or like, or when guys come on me. Like, I really am into, like, fluids.

Like, I get very excited by that. That's interesting. I like being restrained. I'm not one of these rope nerds that you run into where they're like, I'm the most interesting person in the world and I've studied with this. Oh, that's how rope put people are. Yeah, I'm like Velcro. I like being restrained.

The thing that I really like about being restrained and the like about groups is I like kind of not being responsible. Like I like being submissive because I like not being responsible and not in charge of everyone's pleasure, but like, but the people have a good time. Yeah, I got it. And is this what typically, do you typically get to experience that at these play parties that you go to? yeah often I do it's funny

one of my girlfriends has never been well they've never played at a play party like they've kind of sat in the social area once with us and they're neurotic about that but I've never had sex alone with her like every time almost every time we've like done anything

like you know we're with her husband and her other partner or at her girlfriend's house or like using some guy's place because he likes to watch so I'm like your whole life is a play party parties can be kind of boring like they're very hit or miss

yeah your life is a big fat play party but wait so where are these are typically like house parties you're not going to like swingers clubs or anything like that I didn't know to swingers club I usually go to kink clubs that are positive. Yeah, you sound like more of that, like that vibe. And that's a very different world. That's more so where the people that are into like the kink, the poly people and queer people will roll more in that kind of a world than the swinger world. But, you know, there's people who are kinky that are kind of asexual about it. I've definitely always been like made sex a part of

kink. Yeah. Most of the time. I used to volunteer for a dominatrix. Oh, interesting. for her forced by scenes or I'd be in her content. Oh, so you like the forced by scenes. You'd be the guy she'd bring in for her, like her people she was doming, her subs? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, no, I really like that. I really like kind of someone taking control a little bit of degradation,

but more just anything like the idea of the, I'm not responsible for making things happen. They're just happening. But you get to be a part of it too. Now with guys, are you at top, a bottom, averse? I mostly am like an oral bottom, and then I've gotten my butt trained like only the last few years, but I still struggle with it. Like, guys have to be really small. It's weird because every guy wants to say that his dick is huge, but I want someone small. Exactly.

And is that hard to find? Yeah, it's hard to find. I mean, I think usually it's like I go to a play party or I go to the adult theater and I actually just like find someone who's small enough. Right. Now, let me ask you this because, you know, I don't, if you listen to my show, I mean, when I'm talking like these swingers and these people that are in that world, it's always like so baffling to me how guy and guy action is very, you know, not accepted. In the kink world or these play parties that you go to, is it much more, I'm assuming it's much more. There's no stigma regarding it, and there's plenty of guys that are gender, that are fluid, not gender fluid, that are fluid and open. So, you know, it's very likely that at one of these parties you're going to meet a guy that will play with you.

And there used to be a party that was, like, radically inclusive of by males. Uh-huh. It was open to everyone. But it was radically, and it was a reaction to that, the reaction that you go to a swinger space. and they freak out if you're a bi-p penis owner. Oh, ridiculous, yeah. But they want all the girls to kiss, right? Or even some king spaces are kind of like biophobic a little bit.

So it was just like very much focused on that was the center of it. You know, and it's not that and everyone could attend, right? You know, if you weren't okay with what it was centered around, you should go to a different party. Exactly. But they were welcoming to everybody. I've heard of, I know even swingers that opened and started swingers, clubs and parties and groups that are inclusive to the guy and guy action. And they're also inclusive to trans people, to everything, to anything and everything. You know what I mean?

They don't want to be sort of just like saying no to anybody, you know? And I have a little bit of a fetish for some like spaces where like men have sex with men where like, just because I was unsure of myself for a while. so when someone's a little unsure themselves or a little bit ambivalent or not sure, but like still consenting, I really get off on that. Oh, you like to take guys virginities?

Yeah. Does it like, is it like a projection of you like going back to your first time? Yeah. I get it. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah. Where do you find those people like,

because you have mentioned the adult videos, bookstores, you know, do you go there a lot? Do you frequently go there? Is that where you meet a lot of, or have a lot of your guy and guy action over there? Yeah, bookstores, adult theaters, bookstores where they have like a video arcade with glory holes.

Uh-huh. And when you say like an oral bottom, does that mean that you want to suck the dick? I want to suck the dick. Yeah. Don't you feel like there's more oral bottoms than there are tops? Yes. Yeah, that's the thing.

By a lot. Yeah, that's the news flash for straight men. There are a lot of oral bottom. men out there. So you want to get a free blowjob just be open to that. There's so many guys that just want to suck a dick but they don't want their dick sucked. Yeah, I'm not, yeah. It's not that I've never enjoyed that, but I don't enjoy it as much.

Exactly. Yeah. I get overstimulated fast and yeah, that's the thing. So you go to the glory hole a lot and and that's where you, uh, and you'll oral bottom in there. And then, okay, so, and what's the difference between like an adult bookstst or an adult theater? Is it just like one place is like a bookstore with the booths and everything in the theater is just a theater or sometimes they combined? I think in every city it's interesting how there's like a different etiquette.

Yeah. Like in the area that I live, there's kind of like different etiquette in every space in an odd way. So, you know, there is an arcade I went to the other weekend where they have glory holes and you have to be running the video. There's another place that has those booths, but it's just kind of a free-for-all. You just pay admission and people are going at it or not. Often, you know, there's a bath house out where I'm at.

Yeah, that's another place. There's a lot of guy and guy action there. That's a fun place to go to, I would assume. And then there's a theater. And so the theater has like the arcade, but also a theater. and then the theater has like a almost like a padded bench in the back

like behind the screen where stuff happens and then sometimes and there's also this spa part that I've never been to and like a party room so sometimes there'll be a party in the room or they'll just have in all facilities like they'll open the whole thing up let me ask you a question and I think I know the answer

I mean are these places all the places you mentioned the theaters, the, you know, spas. I know the bathhouse for sure is 100% guy, but are all these places, like, mostly, like, you know, you're seeing guy on guy action with the occasional, like, couple maybe thrown in there every now and then. Is it typically, like, just a lot of guys, hooking up a guys? Yeah, and also some of them have different nights.

So there's some, there's a, I would see most spaces like that. It depends on the space. So some spaces are very like cis male specific. They'll be upset if I wear makeup. And some spaces are not, are just open. Like the adult theater has a lot of straight couples and has a couple's section. Okay.

Do you ever go there with your girl? I don't. It's a raunchy place and I like that. But I don't think my wife likes that. I've gone there with other people who like that. And I probably will go with. Yeah. Listen, I think that's the, that's the great thing that you have, you know, that other people don't necessarily have, that you can go and do those, like, raunchy things that your girl would never want to do. But you have like a free pass to go and do it and just get out of your system and she's cool with it. I mean, you're lucky in that way. Yes. For sure. What's the deal? I know. Very lucky. Yeah, for sure, of course. And you know that and she knows that so everyone's happy. What is the deal with, I know you have a girlfriend that has a husband. Like, does that husband ever get involved?

Yes. So usually if we, if we go to, yeah. So like when we go to her house, pretty much most times the husband is involved. Okay. And he's by. Is he by like into gas? Yes. Okay.

He's by. And so you're having. He's similarly like kind of coming out to himself slowly, which is fun. Oh, interesting. So when you go with her, you're typically having like an MMF three sum at their place? Yes. And also there's like a there's a trans guy that stays there too. So usually the four of us. Oh my God. Tell me that story. Okay. So who's dating the trans guy or he just happens to be like a part like they have a thruple with the trans guy as well as you? Yeah, they have kind of a thruple. It started off with just like inviting the trans guy to stay for a while. And then yeah, it's kind of become a threeple.

And he's there and he's always there now. Right. And he's a part of their relationship. relationship. Yes. And so, and then did you come in when the trans guy was already a part of it? And then you were like the fourth person that was added in? Yeah, something like that. Yeah. Yes. Okay, but your relationship was primarily with the woman in there or did you meet me as a couple? You met the girl, right? And started something like, and we have a, we have a boundary. Okay. So like I was going to go to a play party and I didn't want to be. rude to her other, her partners, and I invited everybody, but that was upsetting to her. Like, she and I have a rule that I don't really connect to her other partners except through her. I get it. She wants to keep you to herself. Like, that's something that she wants, she, she doesn't want them to have you as much as she has. Like, she wants you all to herself a little bit. And when she wants to bring you in with them, that's cool, but she doesn't want you to, like, develop relationships with them as well. Exactly. That makes sense. But, you. You know,

you have hooked up with all of them have you had a for some with the trans man the husband and your girlfriend that's a fucking confusing yes and my wife oh no way usually if i go over there the four of us but one time my wife came oh my god and everyone just fucked everyone yes and then and then the girlfriend okay her girlfriend lives somewhere else and this girl the girlfriend that has a husband as well as a trans person that they're in trouble with also has another girlfriend is what you're saying also has another girlfriend okay and so we kind of do stuff in the same room but i don't play with her the girl also oh i love this girl she's really micromanaging all of you she's like the center and then she's got all these people around her that are just hers right she sometimes shares

but most of the time doesn't well she's very sharing it's just she doesn't she doesn't want me to call them and make plans with them outside of her. No, there are her relationships. I get it. I get it. No, but you said that when she was with her girlfriend, she invited you in, but you were just allowed to sit there and watch. Like, she didn't want you, she didn't allow you to fuck her girlfriend.

She's a little possessive. Listen, and there's nothing wrong with that. She gets to rule her own world and you're, and who's, does it bother you? Probably not. You got like five other girlfriends. Who cares what you, right? Originally, I was inviting them because I didn't want to be rude. I didn't want to be like the guy that like talks to somebody's husband and not the wife.

Yeah, of course. Like I didn't want that energy. And so like when she asked for that rule, I was relieved because I don't have the bandwidth to manage all that. Yes, totally. I could see why you'd be like, oh, thank you. That takes that off my back. How was that night with the five of you, the one with the trans man, your wife, the husband? Like did your wife fuck the husband, your girlfriend's husband?

Yes. I don't know. I mean, yeah, maybe not with their genitals. I'm not sure. But everybody was like in a pile. Everybody had sex with each other. Yeah. It was a big fat orgy. Yeah. It was a big fat orgy. Wow. That's crazy. Don't you think? It was really fun. It was really good. I mean, that's been so like the night of my 50th birthday, I got a room with two of the girlfriends and one of the girlfriends and one of the girlfriend's boyfriends and just ever since then there's been stuff happening like that ever since and I'm incredibly lucky but it's just been exciting

to consistently have that yeah I can imagine and does your wife always get involved sometimes do you bring her into this stuff not usually she usually for one thing she wants to meet somebody with our clothes on before she participates in that and then Often she's just busy with other parts of her life. Let me ask you this. Do you guys have the same taste in checks? Like, does she typically like the girls that you're, that you like? Or does she have different taste?

Do you like her girlfriends? It varies. I think she's had two serious girlfriends and one I was very attracted to. But I wasn't dating her. I was allowed to listen to them. Oh, my God. I love that way. Yeah.

Yeah, tell me. And like, I listen to them. and I think that girlfriend kind of like got fascinated by how turned on I was and also was fascinated by like what I did when I was outside the house on their date night. What do you mean outside the house? Outside the house listening through the window? What do you mean outside the house? No, like in the living room.

Right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But would they go in the room and shut the door and just be really loud and you would hear them like fucking each other? Yes. Oh my God. That's interesting. Yeah. Okay.

Let me ask you this. Is your wife like that other girl in that, you know, she doesn't really want to share her girls with you? I think it's more off to the girl. I think if the girl's into it, she's into it. I think we probably do have pretty much the same case. So have any of, okay, let me ask you this. What about you? You've have all these girlfriends, you're rolling. Like, you know, have you ever, you know, are you open to your wife developing a relationship with any of your girls? Would that be ideal? Or would that, or do you prefer? it the way it is now where you have your own and she has her own. No, I would like that. And we've talked about that. It would be nice if we found somebody that we clicked with that we kind of dated together. And that's the other thing that's happened this year for the first time is that like,

I'd had group sex a lot, but I'd never been on a date with more than one person at a time. Okay. And then that started to happen, which was nice. With who? Explain a date with two people or three people. just that we go somewhere and we hang out and we do some things and we maybe end up together or not. Uh-huh. And why did you start to blend?

Why did you start to blend? Because everyone started to become kind of friends? Yes. Now, do you like love them all equally? Do you have only feelings for some? Do you have one that's like your favorite? And I know that your wife is your primary, obviously, but with all the girlfriends, right? How do you feel about all of them?

I like, yeah, I don't think I have a favorite. I think, you know, the newer relationship is, the more there's that kind of energy. One of the girlfriends, like the one girlfriend, we've been off and on almost as long as I've been with my wife. Oh, you're kidding. Yeah, and we've gone through long stretch. Okay, I just want to tell you before you go that my book, it's called Strictly anonymous confession, Secret Sex, lives of total strangers is now available not only in paperback and e-book, but you can pre-order the audiobook. It's still not going to be out until August 25th, but you can pre-order it. The book is

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Which is where we just don't see each other. We're busy or we've gone through stretches where, you know, we go out to dinner once a week, but it's platonic. And then we go through stretches where we're ravenous. Interesting. I'm so curious about these other women that like to get involved in this kind of scenario. Like what is like, you know, forget about the woman that's married. I know she's rolling just like you, but the single women, I have to assume some of these women that are your girlfriends are single. You know, what do you think is their deal? Like what are, like they're going into a relationship with a guy who's already married that's only available for a certain amount of time, you know, it's never going to be their primary partner.

What do you think those girls all have in common that they're looking for this type of situation? Well, the one that I've been with a really long time is not single. She has a close male primary partner and the three of us have sex sometimes. Oh, okay, so that's interesting. So maybe the answer is that typically the people that do this

aren't single people. There are other people that are in relationships, other poly people that already have a primary partner. And then... That makes more sense. Yeah, there's one that, like, I don't think she's romantic with anybody else, but she is definitely, like, playing the field and enjoying herself. Last question.

Has any of them... And maybe this isn't even count now that I know that they all typically have primary partners. Like, I was going to say, did any of them ever get... Did it ever get, like, confusing where someone develops more feelings that it's, like, a problem because they're getting jealous of your primary partner? Has there ever been any kind of jealousy or anything like that? Because I already...

Ask that about your wife, but like what about with all these other women? No, I think the closest thing is like when we set the boundary that I don't go through the other partners or like sometimes they're insecure. About what? You know, sometimes we get insecure about like does this other person like me? Are they into it? Am I a bit much? You know, I think all of us involved have worried about that. But I think we're all fine.

Do you talk about it? Yes. When it comes up, yeah. Yeah. And that's how you work through it. Yes. So your longest relationship with the other girl is like almost as long as your girlfriend. And then all these other ones, did they just recently come up?

Yeah, recently. Yeah, like this year or late last year. Maybe it's that medication kicking in. I think maybe it's that medication kicking in. You're able to like, you know, juggle more because you're getting your ADHD under control. No, that's. Probably it. Yeah, I don't think. I could pay this much attention before. Oh, my God.

I'm channeling my excess. Yeah. Yeah. And now I would assume, you know, everyone knows who you are in your life, including your family? No. You did a secret life? I mean, okay. If I told my father everything about my life, he would not get it. I don't, I think I would have to end. educate him a lot, which is not my job for him to actually understand it. Of course. And I think he would think, he would interpret it a different way. So, you know, if my dad has an inaccurate idea of who I am, but he's comfortable,

why would I switch that for an inaccurate idea of who I am and not comfortable? I totally agree. And listen, I don't think that, I'm not really talking so much about your sex life either anyway, because I don't think anyone should really discuss their sex life with their family. But I'm just like, it seems like you're very open and you have all this stuff and you have this for a free relationship with your wife. I just wonder if most people kind of know that you guys are like Polly and open

with each other. I, most of the time I only tell other poly people. Oh, so everybody else, like, you know, has no clue. Right, I don't think so. Every so often I'll come out to somebody,

especially if somebody's in like a one-sided, you know, I'm surprised how many like people, who are kind of like straight couples and long-distance relationships where the man wants to be able to do whatever he wants but can't stand the woman doing what she wants. Yeah. Uh-huh. You know, so like someone like that, I might be like, well, this is what I do and I think it's a lot nicer than what you're doing. When I've been in like monogamous relationships where I'm just kind of disengaged, I also consider that a form of cheating. So like it's also, you know, say just in a few years just from circumstance, my wife and I were monogamous, but neither of us felt disengaged or shut down and we communicated well about it.

That'd be fine, right? Yeah. But like the fact that we both like to do these things and we communicate well about it and are able to be comfortable around it, that's why it works. Not a particular dynamic. It's just when somebody doesn't have the agency or the space. to like express their true selves. That's, that's what I'm talking about. Not like the specific dynamic. Yeah, totally. So listen, thank you. I just want to give you credit for being the opposite of what you just explained and being so in touch with who you are and being true to yourself and

living with a partner that's perfect for you. So you don't have to lead a double life or do anything crazy and everything's, you know, ethic, you're like ethically, you're like the perfect ethically non-monogamous, poly person I know. So, you know, thanks so much for calling in and sharing your story. It was super interesting. Confusing, but interesting, Mike. Thanks so much for calling you. Your episode will be up soon, okay?

And I'll send you, like, a free link to Discord. You'll get it after here, and I'll give you free access to my Patreon so you can see comments when it comes out, okay? Okay, great. Thanks, Mike. Thanks for calling in. Bye.