Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1355 - Al and Phoebe are Into Sex Parties, Threesome with Men and Women & More

Episode Date: February 2, 2026

Al and Phoebe are into sex parties, threesomes with men and women and more and they both called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear all the details including how they met and how big their age gap is, what they bonded over at first and how and why they both were just looking to hook-up, when they decided to have their first threesome with his guy friend and what went down, their first sex party and what went down, the hotel sex party they went to and what went down, how they felt seeing each other hook up with other people, how and why they both still see other people on the side and play solo, their threesome with a girl and what went down, their MFM threesome and what went down including spit roasting, how and Al loves MFF threesomes, how they both have side relationships but don’t consider themselves poly, how and why Al considers himself fluid plus a whole lot more.  GET A COPY OF THE STRICTLY ANONYMOUS BOOK! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY HERE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To see HOT pics of AL & PHOEBE plus my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712   Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show." Want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. All voices are changed.   Sponsors: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.promescent.com/STRICTLY15⁠⁠⁠ For 15% off Promescent's Delay Spray ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://vb.health⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — To get 10% off DRIVE BOOST by VB Health use code: STRICTLY ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Get 10% OFF your first month of Bluechew GOLD! Use code: STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://butterwellness.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ Get the Butter massager and get 20% off your whole order ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.quince.com/strictlyanon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — For premium quality Quince clothing plus FREE shipping and 365 day returns ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠PikaVibe.com/Strictly⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Click to get $15 OFF your purchase Follow me! Instagram  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Now listen, I could give you a free trial to SDC. All you got to do is use my code 377.12. That's 377.1. to or just go to the description and click on the link. Okay, today I have on Alan Phoebe. Alan Phoebe are great. You're going to love them. They are a couple. They're like an age gap couple. Like she's very young. He's way older. But like, I don't know why people have such problems with age gap couples because like, you know, you hear that in the beginning, you're like, oh my God, they're like, there's 35 years in between their ages. But you forget that they're not,

that they're like born in different centuries. Because like, honestly, they're so well-suited and they really are the perfect pair for each other. They did meet with no intention of becoming a couple. They just wanted to have some fun, which they did. And they started very early on doing fun stuff. And they got into the lifestyle together. And they always remained open. They started out open. They remained open. They're still open to this day. Okay. But they have done, been there done that everything. They've had threesome with guys. That's what they started out doing. then they started going to like sex parties, like house parties. They went to a hotel takeover.

They did couple swabs. They do solo play because they've never stopped seeing other people that they want to see. They don't live together, but they've been together for seven years in love, in a relationship. They decided to like, you know, get in a relationship together, but they don't live with each other. They're not married, but they're super happy. They have all kinds of fun together. I have hot picks of them over on my Patreon. They'll definitely be on my Discord.

So if you want to see those picks, sign up for my favorite. Patreon or get my book and send me a picture of your purchase and I'll send you free link to I'll send you the link to my discord but anyway you'll love their story it's super interesting I'm gonna be right back on with Phoebe and Al. Hey Al and Phoebe. Welcome to the strictly anonymous podcast. How are you guys? Great. We're good. You're happy to be here. I'm happy to have you guys on. I was oh, you guys were almost going to be sitting on each other's lap to get the sound good but you were like oh, we'll do anything for the podcast. touching skin. Imagine you'd have a witty the whole time. Listen, you guys were podcasters. Didn't you have a podcast yourself? Like, what was your podcast? We did.

We had a music podcast. A music podcast. Oh, okay. That was fun. And we loved it, but nobody ever listened to it. And kind of got to be more trouble than it was worth. As I'm sure you can understand. Yeah, well, listen, I don't understand because I am, and I pinch myself every day.

Like, I am so lucky that I started podcasting like 11 years. years ago. So it wasn't hard to get listeners then. It's only hard now because there's like two million podcasts. When I started podcasting, there were really good at it. Yeah, but I've been doing it for 11 years, but I'm just saying there was like maybe 10 sex podcast back then. You know what I'm saying? Right. Right. It literally like if I started now, I wouldn't be able to get the audience that I had. Like, you know what I mean? It's like it just was a different time. I could over time, but it just was a different time. But anyway, let's get to your story. I mean, you guys were like, I think I was like writing it down because I'm like, oh, I could just put this in my title.

It's like you're swinging, solo play, parties, and swaps. There we go. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So let's start telling your story. Now, I hope that you guys, like, you know, don't talk over each other.

I don't know how you guys have it settled that who's going to talk first. But, like, somebody start your guy's story. Let me ask you first, like real quick. Let me ask you, Phoebe, like, how long have you guys been married for? Well, we're not married. Okay. Well, how long you been together? We kind of like it that way.

We've been together seven years. Okay. This year, it'll be eight years. Yep. Seven and a half. And is there such a big age gap? Like you said, older man, younger women. Like, what's the age gap?

There's a significant age gap. It is a 35-year age gap. Okay. How old are you and how old is he? I'm 30. Okay. He's 66. Okay.

You sound older than 30 to me for some reason. Is she more mature than a typical 30-year-olds? I have been told on occasion that I am, I'm very mature for my age. Yes. an old soul. Yeah. So your voice reflects that because sometimes you could get that, you know, in the voice. And so, okay, so there's a 35 year age gap. You've been together seven years. So obviously, you know, it's successful. I don't think that age really matters if either one of you don't fucking care about it. You know what I'm saying? I don't know why other people care so much. It's ridiculous.

Right. Exactly. It's works for us. Yeah, that's great. Now, where you got like, okay, so Phoebe, I'm assuming you weren't married before, but were you married before, Al? I've been married and divorced twice. Okay. One ex-wife I get along great with, one less so. And, you know, as a human my age, I've had a variety of relationship experiences. Were you ever? Okay, but let me ask you this.

Before Phoebe and you guys doing all this stuff together, did you ever play in the lifestyle? A little bit. I have been in a couple of non-monogamous relationships. in the past that were fun and satisfying. And I have not been. And Phoebe had not been, but had an interest in it. Definitely. And that's sort of, that's sort of the basis for why we started hanging out was that we did not want to be monogamous.

And if anything, we didn't really even want to be in a relationship. Oh, so you guys met up like on a, how do you guys first of all meet? like on a hookup app, like strictly for hookups or like someplace else? No. You just realized you just wanted to like, you know, have sex and do nothing else? Not completely wrong, but it wasn't really an app. My career trajectory has sort of been, I'm a creative person and have always been involved in creative aspects and in the arts.

And Phoebe had an interest in that. And we sort of met that way. We met initially online, but it wasn't really a hookup thing as much as talk about creativity, talking about the arts, that kind of thing. Somehow I convinced, it took a while, but somehow I convinced Phoebe to meet me. And so we met up and had some wine. I was actually camping near the city where she lived at the time. I convinced her to come back to the campground with me.

Foolishly, she complied. And we ended up not having sex, but ended up having some naked fun together. We were both naked. How far did you go? Like everything but penetration? No, we did not do, we did not do penetration. We did some oral play, some naked touching, you know, that kind of stuff.

Some making out, definitely, in the nude. We had sort of established that we were both pretty comfortable being naked anyway. Yes. We kind of bonded over that. Yeah. It didn't, it didn't take too long. long before we were both naked and hanging out and just sort of enjoying that. Okay, cool.

Let me ask Phoebe a couple questions about her past. So, like, you're kind of, you're a lot younger than him when you meet him, right? So you were never married before, correct? No, I was never married before, nor had I been in a relationship for. Okay. Well, you're young. You were like in your early 20s when you met. Yeah, I was 23 when we met.

Yeah. So you're super young. You see this guy along. Now, let me ask you this. Do you reach out because, like, you wanted to know about his creative stuff plus he thought he was hot or just like it was strictly business yeah well I was definitely interested in the creative side and I had been wanting to like explore that more yeah and he sent me a couple of photos and you know pictures aren't always accurate right yeah especially for men

you know whatever yeah exactly like I'll just walk in and then see what happens and you know hope I don't get killed yeah oh my god you went to the fucking woods I would have killed you You're my daughter. Maybe not my brightest moment. No. I always tell people like, don't go on hikes and don't meet anyone in the woods. Right. And that's sound advice.

That is sound advice that kids out there, you should listen to that. So you, but you thought he was hot maybe in the pictures or did you, I mean, because if you go into the woods, not just to talk about business, I would assume at that point. Yeah. Right? You know that maybe there's potential here for something else? Yes. I was open to that and like I hadn't been in a relationship before I met Al, but I was definitely,

I had irons in the fire, shall we say. I was very determined not to get attached or super interested in any one person. But you were highly sexed up? I was I was dipping my feet in the water, right? So I grew up pretty, I would say, religious and there wasn't a whole lot of exploration in that at all. Yeah. So when I post college, I was thinking to myself, I was like, you know, I'm going to do the stuff that I couldn't do, but I'm going to do it in a smart way. Right.

Like I'm going to see what's out there and not get too attached to anyone person. I'm not going to be in a relationship. I'm just going to go out there and have some fun. Right. You want to explore without being like fucking anyone over. Exactly. Yeah. Or being fucked over.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I got it. So yeah so he sent me some photos I thought he was pretty cute When we met in person I was a little intimidated by how attractive he was

Did you always have a thing for older guys by the way I do yeah I do like older guys older women It's it's definitely my thing Okay cool okay so when you saw him you're a little intimidated But you did get naked you guys fool around But like right off the bat Is there like a discussion like neither one of you is looking for anything serious but this is fun kind of thing.

That's pretty much exactly how we went into it. Yeah, we neither of us wanted a relationship at all, not with each other. And it was more just like, oh, this is super fun. This person is open and interesting. Let's keep this going. But we weren't considering a relationship at all. Right. But when did you start considering, like, bringing other people into your relationship?

Because it's one thing to just be like, oh, I don't want to hook up just with you and I'm going to still do my own thing. I mean, you guys wound up becoming, like getting into the lifestyle together. Like when does that, when do things change and you guys start talking about that? Well, it was pretty immediate, I would say. Like, yes, we loved seeing each other and hanging out. But Al also had other people that he was seeing. And it was really nice because he would always tell me like, oh, I'm meeting up with so and so. And it was immediately like a very open line of communication about what was going on and what he was expecting.

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well it was pretty immediate I would say like yes we love seeing each other in hanging out but Al also had other people that he was seeing and it was really nice because he would always tell me like, oh, I'm meeting up with so and so. And it was immediately like a very open line of communication about what was going on and what he was expecting. And I had other people that I would like see every now and then and try things with. So it was never like any sense of weirdness surrounding that because it was very much just like this is what I'm going to do and I'm happy to talk about it with you. But these things aren't going to change. Right, but when do you start doing those kinds of things together? Together?

Pretty soon. Yeah. I mean, do you call up to him that you're into women? Because you said, you just threw out there, like, older women, older men. Like, I'm assuming, like, you opened up and told him that you were, like, into chicks. And then did you guys start talking about three sons? Like, how does the conversation go from, like, I'm going to screw other people and you're going to screw other people? And we could talk about it, too.

Let's screw other people together. Well, I think we both had an interest. in seeing people together. And I think we talked about that almost before we met. Almost, yeah, probably before we went. Oh, interesting. Okay. And I had a friend who I had sort of, let's, I don't, I don't know exactly how to put this,

but he and his wife had expressed an interest in me, or maybe he had expressed an interest in me being with his wife. Oh, okay. Anyway, this male friend of mine and I had hung out and I texted him and asked him if he would be interested in coming over and meeting this woman that I had been seeing. And that was only, what, a couple months or so after we started dating? Yeah, pretty soon after. I mean, I had already expressed that I was very interested in this happening. And do you know anybody that would be up for this?

And what does this happen? What does this mean to you, Phoebe? Like, you want to fuck another guy with him? Or do you want a threesome with two guys? I was pretty much open to any of that. I definitely wanted Al to be there because I

at this point already felt pretty safe with him. But do you have anybody else that would be interested in this together? Right. And that just turned out to be a threesome with this friend of his. Okay, cool. Now, last question before we get into that actual actual experience. Like had you had three sums in your past before, Phoebe?

Never. No. Okay. Okay, cool. So this is going to be your first time. And then this is like your guy friend, right, Al? Yes. Okay. So you have two hot old guy, older guys. Your dream. Yes. Your fantasy. Yeah, pretty much. I was like, well, that shit's happening right now. What's better than one old, like older hot guy too? Two. We're happy to see me. I will also make the comment that. Like, I'm, I'm somewhat better than average endowment. Okay. But only slightly.

But my friend is, is beautiful. It's fucking huge. Yeah. Okay. Okay, cool. All right. So what's going to go down to this three seven? Like going in, are there any kind of like boundaries or rules that you have?

Or is like everything on the table? Well, I think. And I think this is kind of true for our entire relationship. Like, anytime we've done anything with anyone else, Phoebe and I always approach everything with little or no expectations. Yes. You know,

like we kind of show up and we're happy to be there and we're happy to be with each other. But we don't think anything's going to happen with anybody. And I think I'd made that plain to my friend that, you know, just come over, you know, maybe we'll get naked. maybe we won't, maybe something will happen, maybe it won't. So there weren't huge expectations about anything.

Right. So there wasn't a serious conversation to go with it because there wasn't really that much seriousness about what was going to happen. The only serious conversation was just there aren't expectations. Yeah. Yeah. That's great that you both roll like that. It makes you very compatible. Yes.

I think that's one of the things that we were kind of continuously surprised that this other person was just so. relaxed about all of this and just so open to talking about things but also not in a rush for anything either. Yeah. And it kind of just immediately clicked. Yeah, yeah. Cool. Okay, so what, so you weren't, you didn't have any expectations about that night, but what actually went down? Amazing thing. It was fun. It was so much fun. Yeah. My friend, he, I forget exactly what put the, do you remember, like, who did what to whom first? I don't. Yeah.

I think we just sort of started out with maybe Phoebe and I making out a little bit. We did. We got naked at one point, for sure. We were making out. And then we asked, oh, you know what? We asked your friend to join us. Oh, does he want to make out with us? Does they want to join us on the couch or the bed or wherever we were?

Okay. Yeah, I don't really remember the exact. chain of events, but our one major memory was that he was just really, really enamored with Phoebe. Oh my God, yes. He just thought Phoebe was, and he's not inaccurate. He just thought Phoebe was a goddess. He could not get over himself with how much he adored her. And like, what was, and he was like, you're perfect. He said, you're so beautiful. You're so perfect. Oh my God, Phoebe, you must have been in heaven like that first place. I was like wow, this better be in every fucking time.

And frankly, I was in heaven too. Like it was so, it was so wonderful to see her have so much fun and for me to have so much fun. And to see him have so much fun. And to see him have so much fun. Now this was the first. This was a lot of first for the both of you, right? Like Phoebe, this is your first three, someone to guys. And for you, Al, is this the first?

Because you did say you had some open relationships. Is this the first time? you're seeing the woman that you're with with another guy? Yes. I had been in threesomes before with other couples. But I think this was the first time I had ever been in a relationship with somebody and shared her with someone else. Right.

Okay. And did you realize you have that kink where you'd love to see your woman like being pleasured and all that kind of stuff? I think I had always wanted that in the past. and had never had a partner who was willing to go there. Yeah. And I think, and I think that was a huge, a huge turn on for me and a huge draw for me of why the relationship was.

This would go somewhere. A positive thing that I wanted to continue. Yeah. Right. That you might actually lock this one down as opposed to not. And at this point, at this point, too, like we weren't really even in a relationship. Right. You said it's like two months in, right? I mean, it's not long time. Yeah. We were just kind of fucking and having fun. We were literally just, we were friends with benefits. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But how was a threesome for you, Phoebe? Was it like everything you imagined? It was better than I imagined. I don't really know what to expect going in, but I did know that like, oh, I trust Al. Like, I trust that he has good intentions and that his friend is cool and, you know, just relaxed about the whole situation. And I kind of just went into it. Like, at the very least, we're going to have fun together.

And your friend seems really cool and we'll see what happens. But my God, it was better than I could have imagined for sure. And it definitely opened my eyes. And it was a nice thing too because I hadn't done this before, right? Yeah. It was like, oh, this is how amazing it can be. How can we have this again with him, with others? Exactly.

Yeah. And you've been doing it more because it's like seven years later. and so you've had many years of this together behind you. So where did you go from there? Well, it sort of has progressed. You know, I'm sure you've talked to lots of people that have similar experiences. You start out doing one thing and then you find other people and you make other friends. Right.

And to some degree, network. And once you open that door, it's kind of like, oh, well, what else is out there? Right. Right. So what were you looking for next? other people online. Uh-huh. We made, you know, we made a profile on, you know, one of the swing sites.

And from that, it's, you know, it's progressed to, you know, doing all kinds of fun things. Okay. So did you, okay, let's, I don't know where to start because you've done a lot of things. Like, what, did you just stick to three sons with guys at first? Did you start with women? Did you start going to swing or clubs? Like, what kind of, like, generally, if you want to go in chronological order for your whole journey, like, what did come next?

we did some more threesomes with a couple of guys after that I'd say like a month or so later if we went to our first house party more than a month but yeah yeah yeah that was super fun yeah talk me through that experience so there's there's some good stories there so

we if we haven't already expressed this I am a white male and Phoebe is a black female. Oh, you didn't express that. Okay, but that's interesting. Somehow we, somehow on a swing site, we found a group, a couple that hosted house parties

that were not exclusively, but they are an interracial couple. And they often host parties that, let's just say interracial couples are extra welcome, right? Yeah, I know of those. parties I've heard about them. Sure. And that's all fun.

And, you know, we view the race thing as just sort of an interesting little side light. I don't think it's a huge turn on for either one of us. It's kind of fun and kind of sexy, but we don't really care that much one way or another. But if other people think that's cool, then we think that's cool, too. We don't care. but the fact that this was an interracial party and the fact that this was a Halloween party. Yes, it was a Halloween party. So I don't, there's probably not an easy way to send you these photos.

But Phoebe, months before this, Phoebe had found some clothing company that will make you a custom-fitted T-shirt and jeans combination and they will custom fit it for your specific body and the way they do that is they send you a skin-type black suit with white polka dots and Phoebe sends me this dramatic pose of her wearing the skin-tight suit just like randomly out of nowhere and I'm like what the fuck is this so she wears that anyway we were talking about we're going to an interracial couple's swing party and what should we wear and so basically we came up with the idea that Phoebe already had a black skin type suit with white dots and so I found a white unitarred and drew black dots all over it nice so you got you're perfectly aligned for your

interracial so we went to the party as the dot couple yeah and and and there are photos of this. And for years afterwards, people would see us at swing parties and say, oh, you're the dot. Hilarious. Phoebe, tell me, though, what went down, like the sex that went down, like what you guys kind of did. I'm just trying to make sure that both of you talk equally as much. So, Phoebe, why don't you give some details of, like, what went down at that party?

Because it's the first time you guys are going to a house party. Yes, this was the first time. There was some nervousness about what we should expect. And, you know, we were both going to have fun with each other and that was going to be fine. But, like, what else do we do when we get there, right? And when we got there, everybody was super welcoming. Everybody was talking and having fun. And they have at the house, like, there's like a basement level.

Okay. So at the time, you'd go in and, you know, it's like a regular house and everything. And they have different rooms. And I guess each room had kind of like a different vibe going on. and you'd talk with a bunch of people, like in the gathering space, and I forget exactly at what time maybe was 10 o'clock. One of the hosts would ring a bell. And that let you know that you could move on to the fun sexy things, right?

Interesting. Right. So we went down to their sexy room basement. And you go downstairs, and there are four or five beds lined up and curtains. So the curtains were drawn and everything. And you could go to one of these beds and have some fun with your partner with others. You could draw the curtains if you wanted to.

You could leave them closed. It was totally up to you. There was also like a couch area, some chairs if you wanted to watch, a TV with porn going on and mood lighting if you wanted. and I think we started out just playing with each other, having some fun, and we're both pretty exhibitionist, and we love putting on a performance. And we kind of started out with that and eventually moved on to having fun with others. Okay, guys, I got something that you need to get because Valentine's Day is fast approaching.

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and eventually moved on to having fun with others. So I know that we got, we were having fun with each other on the couch. And there was another couple next to us that we asked, or they asked if, oh, is it okay if we play a little bit? And this was really cool because we did play with this couple, but they let us know that one of their boundaries was, that they don't kiss.

Okay. Right. And we kind of talked about this before, like, how do we approach people about what our boundaries are and all of this stuff? So it was pretty nice to see that that was already, like, established. So we started with that, and we did some touching, and we, I think we just started out having sex with each other. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, there was, you know, there was never any, there was never any expectations, and there was never any great need to do anything. It was more just sort of being. in the moment and just sort of enjoying being right and just being like in a sexy environment with each other and putting on a show if we wanted to but we didn't really expect more than that so but you did get more than that though so did you do did you do that other couple did both of you have sex with the other couple and like because at this point phoebe you haven't yet seen al

as far as i know because i haven't heard of it like you haven't seen al with another woman I had not And at this time We did not have sex with another couple Okay, so you just kind of put on a show And have people like checking you out and stuff I think there was some I think there was some play

But less than TIVA It was not yet There was not penetration play But there was still like some kissing Well not kissing with this specific couple But there was like some touching And some oral going on But not penetration play at this point

Okay cool But you realize you're into being an exhibitionist You like to do it in front of people. I see people see you. You got to watch people have sex in front of you too. Yes, definitely. Yeah, cool. Okay.

So do you continue to go to those kinds of parties and stuff? Or did you just say, oh, like, that's not for us? No, we really loved going to this party. And it kind of just opened us up to, okay, well, what else is out there, right? Right. So we went to another party at the same house party place. From there, we went to a hotel party. which was another Halloween party.

So this was kind of back to back. I'd say like within like the same week or something like that. Or a weekend apartment. Right. That we went to a hotel party. And this one, the structure, of course, is a little bit different. So you go in and they're sort of like a talking meet and greet thing. And then you go to like a dance room area.

And I have to say, we are pretty introverted. so going to extremely yes extremely introverted so going to a dance everybody talked to everybody saying is not really where we shine I would say

it's interesting I would never peg you for introverts we're like Phoebe's worse than I am I am well I know I think we're worse in different ways yeah okay I get it that's okay listen I love that like you know introverts are pushing themselves to go do things. It's not like you sit at home and like you

don't ever go out. Oh, it's pretty funny. Like we egg each other on. It's like, okay, well, I'll go to this thing if you'll go to this thing. And how much do you want to go to this thing? And we're introverts, but we're also horny. Yeah, obviously. You're more horny than you are introverted. Right.

At times, yeah. Obviously. Because, you know, I would think that that would be like an introvert's worst nightmare and they would avoid it at all costs, but you're so horny, you fucking go. So in a way, yes. But we know. It's like, okay, yes, we're super introverted. And we have to get through this socializing with strangers phase, I guess, through.

And then after that, we can at least have fun with each other. Yeah, it's all coming from being horny. So what happened at that hotel party? Did you hook up with other couples this time? This time we did. Was that Halloween? That was Halloween. Okay.

Yeah. That was a Halloween party. So we go to the, this Halloween party, we go to the dance. after that we have it's like a setup where you can have like a party floor so we got a room on that party floor and it's it's a little bit easier when you have that because you can just go in have your things set up a walk around and everything you don't have to worry about like getting home that same night so we went into that and while we were at the dance ballroom area there was this other couple that we met and they sat at the same table as us.

We are pretty introverted, but that couple was to an extreme level of just... They made us seem like sexual butter smile. Right. You're kidding. It was seriously, it was so funny. I remember it's thinking about like, oh, wow, like, okay, well, we didn't really talk to...

I think we were interested in another couple actually at that table. Oh, yeah, there were other couples there we were trying to flirt with and failing badly. Right. You could talk now, Alan. You can explain what happened with that couple if you want. Well, no. Phoebe's doing a good job, but it was like we had tried to flirt and failed badly with, I think, two other couples there.

We did. We did. And as we were leaving the table, we had gotten a room upstairs and we were like, hey, you guys, like, come to come up and come up and say hi in room 412. Yep. looking at the two couples who we wanted to fuck, and sure enough, the only couple that shows up is the weirdo, introverted couple, and they were so fantastic. It was amazing.

They were so cool. Really. Yeah, we had so much fun with them. Did you do a full swap? Yeah. We did do full swap, yes. And that was something that we had talked about before that we were interested in. But we'd never done.

Yeah, we'd never done, but I don't think we really had any hangups about it. It was kind of just like, oh, this could be fun. We could do like, at that point, we already done MFM, but we talked about other things that we were interested in before this. Yeah. Okay. And how was that experience seeing, you know, Phoebe seeing Al with another woman, because this is the first time for you. It was so hot. I remember talking to the other guy, you know, when we were hanging out together. And we at some point just stopped and watched Al and his partner. just go at it and it got us turned on and then we started going at it.

It was very, very sexy. Yes. Go on. Yeah, it was totally a positive thing and totally, you know, like, I had watched couples have sex and I had watched, you know, some of that go on. But watching my partner getting fucked and having a great time and thoroughly enjoying it was just a hottest thing. It was a wonderful thing.

Yeah. And also made us feel so much closer. Definitely. Let me ask you at this point now in the story. Because in the beginning, you know, two months in, you're not really that romantically connected yet or anything. You know, you're just kind of like booty calls. Like at this point now, are you guys like have fallen for each other?

Like are you guys like, you know, emotionally connected now too? Even though that's not how you wanted to be. I'm assuming you guys eventually it turned into a romantic relationship, correct? Yes. at this point we expressed to each other that we were interested in each other and that we liked each other and we wanted to have a relationship and see where this went but still very much wanted to continue this lifestyle yeah and what's interesting about that I was just going to say I just asked because like you know here you guys are what Al just said is like you felt closer and

this is and that's a testament to the fact that you you guys were able to like really see your partner that you actually care about it's one thing's in your booty call person fuck somebody else, but like when you're actually in love, that's a whole different thing, you know? But at least at that point, you knew that like, not only did you like it and it didn't make you jealous, it made you feel closer. Yeah.

Which is interesting. It was a turn on and also just an emotional turn on. Like I wanted to continue seeing that for Al and for myself and for our relationship. Yeah, super interesting. At this point, does anyone know like what you guys are up to? Like, do you tell your friends, Phoebe? Like, you're 30. Like you have to, you have a lot of girlfriends.

You must tell them. I had at this point no shame. And my friends knew. And I pretty much told them every detail. And they were super supportive. I'm like, yeah, don't have fun. You know, and I'm close with my sisters. And I told them what was going on.

And we'd exchanged information about that. But yeah, I was pretty open with all of that from the good go. Yeah, I would think when you're younger, like you're more, you know, it's like super open. Especially the younger generation anyway is more open. Exactly. So this stuff has less of a stigma. Yeah. Yeah.

Like I did grow up in a pretty restrictive religious household. So there was like already a lot of shame like attached to that. And you know, once I got to a place where I knew that I could kind of do whatever I wanted. And I was going to do whatever I wanted, but do it safely and do it smartly. I was, there was kind of just like no breaks on anything. Like I'm going to see what's out there. I'm going to try what's out there. And if I'm going to be in a relationship at this point, we had, me and Al had.

these discussions. Like, these are the things that I want to try and I want to be open to and at very least be open to talking about with my partner. Right. Okay, let's talk about more stuff that you guys did because you do solo play and, you know, stuff like that. Like, when did that start and how does that work? It, it never, it didn't just start. It sort of has always been there. Like, I've always sort of had the ability to see other women if I wanted to. Oh, right, because you started that way. Right. Mm-hmm. Right. At this time, he was also seeing other people when we first started hooking up. Right. Okay.

And you had, you had guys that you would see occasionally, too. Yes. Yeah. It was never, it didn't, like, we're not, we're not one of those couples that started out being in any way closed and then open things up. We kind of did things. You weren't even open and then closed things up because some people do that too. I mean, you know, some people might start out like, oh, we're fucking other people. We don't care. And then they start liking each other.

And even if you're open, you're like, okay, let's not do, I don't want you to have other people anymore. Let's just be primary romantic relationship and then you fuck people together. But that never changed with either of you. No, it has not yet. The basis of our relationship, when we talked about being in a relationship, we had, we sat down. We talked, we had this conversation. Yeah. That we were both going to remain open.

And it was very important to us if we were going to be together that we see people solo. Yeah. And we see people together. but we were not ever going to be monogamous. Right. Yeah, for two introverts, I love how you guys just don't make sense. But I also say this, Kathy, that I think, like, I think it's important to us that, like, we started out with very established ground rules, but one of the ground rules is that the ground rules can change.

Yes. And relationships change over the course of years. And we didn't expect this to last years. We expected this to last a week, you know. But we sort of went into this saying, this is what I expect of you and this is what you can expect of me. But we can also renegotiate that at any point. And we did renegotiate several times together. And it was never like, it was never difficult to do so.

What did you renegotiate? What was changed ever? Like what wound up changing over time? I remember us talking about how often we would see other people. And this was sort of just like, for me, like, I, you know, I wasn't exactly sure how often I wanted to see other people versus seeing Al. And we never at any point lived together. So we were only ever seeing each other like a couple of times a week or so, right? And it was, I didn't want it a situation where we were seeing other people every day.

of the week. You didn't want to see other people more than each other. Right. Right. Exactly. That makes sense. So you did want to keep each other as your primary relationship. Absolutely. Yes. At this point, yes. Yeah. Okay. And at every point. I think we've always when we got into a relationship together. Right. Yeah. You would both be dumb not to keep each other as your primary because you're so well suited. I mean, where are you going to find another Phoebe and where's Phoebe going to find another Al? I mean, you're so perfectly aligned. Let's not mess up a good thing. Yeah, finding the right partner that you align on so many different ways with you guys, like you guys do. It's like hard to find, you know?

And I'll, yeah. I want to stress this too, Kathy. Like, I think, like, we started out really not wanting a relationship. Yeah. But it's like, it's really because of the quality of Phoebe's character that made me really interested in sticking with this. Right. Did you ever think that there was a woman? out there that would give you the freedom

that she does and do all the things that she's doing with it? Yeah, but it's not even that. What is it? It's not even a sexual thing. It's like it's it has more to do with like this is a really high quality person. Yeah. And fucking is fun and you know, you can fuck with lots of people and that's cool and great. But it's rare to find somebody

that you get along with on a sort of moral and intellectual and emotional level and emotional level. An emotional level. Yeah, I love that. Just sort of like quality of care of the relationship that I think is really rare. Did you guys ever move in? Are you still in that place where you don't live together?

We don't live together. And we never will. We'll not ever live together. I'm all for it. Absolutely not. Why would anyone stay in the same bed with one bathroom together? Right. No.

Absolutely not. Yeah, we like each other a lot, but we also can't stand each other a lot. Oh, my God. That's hilarious. That's hilarious. you're in love with each other. Yes, very much in love with each other. But also, I think through years of therapy,

like I know myself, and Al knows himself very well. And I think it just made our relationship easier together, just because we know each other, our own selves so well, but also can talk about these, I guess, traditionally hard things to talk about. And it's never a situation where we feel like we can't be very open, with each other, even if it seems like you're coming across being harsh or

anything. It's just open communication, I think. Before I get some more... Yeah, sorry. Go on. Phoebe is really good at whatever the opposite of conflict avoidant is. Phoebe is that. I love talking about shit.

Yeah, that's great. But you're lucky that he likes to as well, because I think it's more... I think a lot of girls like to talk about shit, but a lot of guys just don't fucking want to. That's a problem. I have been impressed with Al that I do talk about stuff more and I'm willing to bring up whatever more I think. But Al is always appreciated and has told me every single time, oh wow, thank you so much

for bringing this up and being willing to talk about this. You've made me want to talk about things more as well. And it makes things easier in the long run. It does. Right, right. Now, like, over time, I want to get a couple more stories in here and stuff, but like over time, has there ever been a time where either one of you has been jealous about somebody else that the other person was seeing?

I would say when we were first, like within those first couple of months, and at this point, I had other people that I was seeing on the side, and Al had other people that, like, he'd seen over the years and were seeing on the side. And, like, just, I guess, trying to figure out

how I fit in and he fit in, and our relationship fit in into that. I would say, like, that was the only time when there was any sort of friction, I guess, or just, more just about like talking about what we can expect from each other. But since then, it's been pretty smooth sailing.

Like I think we've both been surprised at like how easy it's been. Right. There's always, there's always, you know, humans are human. And there's always little insecurities that pop up. Sure. And that happens. And you try and talk about them and work them out and say, look, next time, can you like be better about this? Right.

And we're both, we both try to make an after. of doing that. And it's never been an issue. Yeah. Okay. And now have you ever, did you have three sons with women? Because I know that you're into women. Have you guys ever gone down that path together?

I would have. Oh, yeah. Oh, we have. It's been very fun. Those stories, if you want. We got 20 minutes. So it's like, you know, tell me some other things. Because it's like, you know, you've gone to Swinger Club.

You've done swaps. You've kind of touched everything, your whole journey. But like, you could just talk about like specific experiences if you want, that stand out. So I have a woman friend who I have known sort of on and off Who Her experience Her story is interesting That she was married for a long time has two

Almost grown kids And it's just a really interesting Woman She'd gotten out of her marriage She had met some men, done some things with men, enjoyed some men, and met me and had hooked up with me a couple of times. And she had never in her life done anything with women. And I had her over one night and asked if it was okay if Cedee joined us.

And we all hung out and drank some wine and had some fun stuff and all ended up in bed together. And it was rather eye-opening for everyone. In what sense? Just that I think, like, we both found her incredibly sexy. Right. Right. And we, and it was a totally new thing for her. and she didn't quite know even what to do.

Right. I didn't even know if things were going to lead in this direction. Had you been, Phoebe, though, I know that you liked women. Had you been with women before? I had not. Oh, okay. So you knew that you were into them? At this point?

With her? I thought we had done stuff with other women. Oh, we have. You're right. We have. But this was the first sort of... That was probably the first straight up. Three-sum.

Three-sum. Yeah. Maybe so. Okay. So go on. So it was a great experience. Did you guys enjoy you? We totally enjoyed it.

And she seemed to really enjoy it, but also not really want to repeat it. Right. Right. Interesting. Yeah. Why do you think? Do you have any idea? I think she's basically a straight woman.

Yes. Oh, okay. That wanted to check this off her bucket list. Right. She was curious. Right. And I was very. much a very chill person and you were as well.

Yeah. I've always been about like, oh, these are safe people to try this thing with that I've been thinking about. And no expectations. Right. No pressure. He did use a strap one. That was fun. Really?

Yeah. I don't remember that. Yeah. Oh, good. You remember that, but he doesn't. I remember very specific details about random things, I'll say. Yeah, that's cool. This is a detail that I will never forget.

Yeah. Because you enjoyed it. Do you like that? Oh, I love it, yes. We use it on occasion. We do. With each other, with others. Yeah.

Okay, you could tell me more experiences. Like, what's like what you, let's, why don't we do this and break up the next 10 minutes with like your favorite experience together, Phoebe and then Al could tell his. My favorite experience. Do you have one that stands out to you? I'll think about one just on the top of my head right now. We met this guy. I forget exactly how we met. I think it was one of those sites.

Anyway, we meet up. He gets a hotel, and it's an MFM-3-some. And that wasn't the first time that we did it, but it was incredibly sexy. We had sort of like a spit-rose thing going on. And I don't, did we try D.P.? at this time. I don't remember that at all. It was just incredibly sexy.

And I think at this point, like, it had been like a month or two or so, like that we'd done one of these meetups. And for some reason, this just was exactly what we needed. And the guy was really sweet and nice. And we were both open, very horny. Everybody was very turned on. I remember being tied to a chair at some point. Yes, that was hot. I love to tie him to the chair.

And we kind of just went at it. Do you do like spit roasting? Have you ever done DP, DVP? Do you do those kinds of things when you're with all these two guys in your threesome? Yes. Like I don't do it super often. Like as people that do DP, like it's kind of like your body will tell you when you're going to do it or not. Yeah.

Like when you're available. Exactly. Like, oh, check in. Nope, not today, but maybe next time. Okay. And you've not ever done DVP or anything else? No, no, just DP. I don't even know how you do DVP.

And you know what? Most people that do DVP, they say it's like it's hard to kind of maneuver and it's not like the end all be able because it's uncomfortable. And not because it's two dicks. It's just because of, yeah. It's hot, but yeah. Right. Things have got to be moving in the right direction.

And even if I'm doing it, the long time I've done it is like a few minutes. I'm like, okay. And now we're moving to the next thing. Right. Okay. So that, for some reason, that guy was the best for you. do you how many oh wait let me get al's favorite uh time that he could remember do you have one oh man that's a hard one so many to do you have i'm gonna be a guy and say like

probably some some two women at a time things that we've done so you really enjoy that oh sure i mean how would i not like well you want to know why i say that because you know from doing my show what i have learned That, and maybe it's just because of my show and I have a lot of hot wave content on here so I get those kinds of people. But I find that I talk to more guys that are into the hot wiping thing than are into the two-girl thing. Oh, that's interesting. That's not surprising. And that is a huge turn.

I love seeing her with other men. Right. But you also love seeing her with other women. And I love that you love that. Yeah. And I know that she likes women a lot. And I know that she's attracted to women a lot. and and I'm also a guy and having two naked women in my bed that's that's not going to be a bad thing

right how many partners do both of you have besides each other and like do you are you open to being like falling for other people or are these other people on the side just like strictly like relationships where you're just hooking up with them I mean do you consider yourself poly if you have to label yourself I wouldn't yeah that's what that's actually something that we've talked about. I would not consider as Pauley, only in the sense that, like, we've both talked about this, that I do not have it

in me to sustain all of those extra side relationships on a continuous basis. You know, like, the side people that I've seen have been friends with benefits, and I haven't developed, but beyond, like, love and friendship, I haven't really felt more than that

and haven't wanted more than that. So it's always been just a side hierarchical relationship. Right. Okay. Yeah, I think like, I think for both of us, we enjoy our relationship, but we kind of don't have the emotional capacity to have deep feelings for more than one person at a time. Yeah, I can't handle that. Oh, I get a headache from my Polly episodes, but I find that those kinds of people actually,

that's what they need to keep their brain satisfied. They need a lot of talking, a lot of stuff happening. And that's how they, like, they would be so bored in a regular kind of a thing. And that's what I've come to the conclusion. You know, I couldn't handle it either. And I think most people aren't wired that way, but people that are truly wired that way, I think that they love all that stuff that you want to avoid like the plague. Yeah.

And good for them. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's so fascinating being in this lifestyle. Like you meet all these. different people that have all of these different needs and they approach this in entirely different ways. Yeah. So do you continue to go to swingers clubs and parties and hotel takeovers? Are you like fully immersed in the lifestyle or do you typically just see threesomes or you have a lot of apps? Like,

how do you guys roll nowadays? You know, it really for us like the whole history of it, it very much comes and goes. Yeah. And it comes and goes with how horny we are, and what we're feeling like and what our mood is. How much we've socialized in the past month. Yeah. Right. And we like when COVID happened, we kind of stopped doing anything and then sort of gradually started doing stuff with people that we knew and then sort of gradually started going back to house parties. But we haven't really been back to hotel parties a lot since COVID. And we talked about doing that again. Yes. But it's always, for us, it's always very much a question of like how much. How much social energy do we have to put forward to this versus how horny we are. Do you ever see that

friend of yours with the big dick? You know, the big, the well-and-doubt guy. I am in touch with him occasionally, but I have since moved away from that city. And so we're less in touch. We do have, we have a guy that we've seen here ongoingly who's super fun. We've been seeing him at this point for a few years. A couple of years, yeah. Like a guy that you met online? This is a different guy that we met online, yeah.

Okay. Mm-hmm. And why is he the one that stands out that he became like your regular? Just that he's a good guy. He's a really good guy. He's very sweet, very thoughtful. Yeah, he's easy to have a conversation with.

Exactly. And he's also good in bed, he's fun. He has a very nice dick. Right. I've also seen you two have some fun together as well. I have sucked his cocky. Oh, okay. Well, you wait to the last minute to tell me that.

So you consider yourself fluid too, like you're down? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think we both consider it. Like, we're both pansexual. So we're open to all sorts of scenarios. Right. And were you always that way out? Or did, like, Phoebe allow you to open up to that part of yourself or were you always down?

I was not that way when I was younger, but I have been that way. I've been open to men for a long time pre-Phee. Oh, okay. And you told her that straight up in the beginning. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. We always have been very open about being open to lots of things. Right.

It's more about, like, oh, this person is super sexy and interesting. and we find that hot in the gender thing kind of comes secondary. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I tell these guys that are into guys. Like, you just need to date younger girls because younger girls are so much more open to stuff like that. Whereas there's so many guys out there that are down to like, you know, suck a dick every now and then or be with a guy like they want to. But they're so afraid to like put that out on the table. And I think what they don't understand is there's more women out there that would be okay with it than they think.

Yeah, exactly. It's like, but you do have to put yourself out there, right? And you have to be willing to try that. Yeah. And does it turn you on to see him with guys? So much. Oh, my God. I push out.

Like, hey, have you been on those apps lately? Do you want to see somebody? Have we told me about it later? We've met men on Grindr before, too. We have. Right. So you meet guys, like you put out there that you're by and you're down for that. so you've had those kinds of, they call it like instead of an MFF,

like MMF three somewhere, you're hooked up with them and she is too. We've had a couple of those, yes. Yeah, well, I love it. You guys are super open. You really met your match in all kinds of ways. I mean, who knew that too? We feel incredibly lucky. Yeah, who knew that two introverts together we get so much fucking done with other people.

I'm shocked. But two introverts who are vastly different in age and race and everything else. Yeah, but you're right in all the other things. That's what's so interesting. Yeah, I love this story. You need to send me picks for my Patreon. Just make the picks for my Patreon like R-rated or even fucking PG at this point because they're so weird over there.

But I have a Discord. You're going to get free access to my Discord when you hang up. You'll get a link to it and you could go in there. It's like super fun. Oh, I love it. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds fun. Yeah.

And tell me more about what sort of pictures you want, too. Well, you know, listen, on what I love about Discord is that way and why I started it is because people could post their own stuff there. You know, Patreon is like, I can't, like, post X-rated stuff there. And everyone always wanted to send me all that shit and want to engage and, like, are open to that. So, you know, that's why I created the Discord. Now, you don't have to be X-rated over there, but you'll see when you get on my Discord. You won't believe what's going on over there.

There's like six thousand people. It's very X-rated. There's all kinds of channels. But there is a guest role. There's like a guest pick channel there that you could post picks yourself and you could say, hey, we're Al and Phoebe and either one of you could engage and do stuff and talk to people. Or you could just send me the picks.

Oh, I love that. Yeah, you'll love it. Trust me. It's like a lot. And we have contests on there. We just finished the biggest boob contest. The best boob contest. You could see all of those.

We had the biggest dick. Not biggest dick, but like the best dick contest. Pussy. Like you don't, you name it. We've done over there. You'll see when you go in. Phoebe, Phoebe's interested in the best. I am.

Oh, you just missed it. We just ended it. Wait till you see. I'll get a next spot. First of all, my listeners are fucking hot. Wait till you see all the boobs on there. And then look at the dicks. They're all huge.

I was like, where are all these big dicks? I had like and I get like 200, 250 people submitting. So you'll see it's a lot of action over there. You'll love it. Sign up as Al and Phoebe. I'll make sure to give you guys guest channel access because only people who are a guest can post picks in that channel. And you guys could say, hey, we're Alan Phoebe.

You know, we already taped. Our episode will be up. Or you could wait until your episode is up and you could post there. But you could post anything there. But if for me for Patreon, like bikini shots or like like sexy lingerie shots, that's what I look for in Patreon. and always anonymous. You could do whatever you want

on Discord yourself. Yeah. Yeah, we'll go to our faces or something. Yeah. Or just crop them out when you send the photo. You know what I mean? That's what I would do. But, you know, do what you have to do.

Send me those sooner than later. I love your episode and I'm so happy you guys called in. This was a great story. Thank you. We're so happy to be here. Thank you so much. Awesome, you guys. And we love your podcast.

I love that you love my podcast. I love couples that listen together. Yeah, I think that's awesome. Send those picks sooner than later to the email, okay? Yes, we'll do. right, bye, guys. Thank you for having us. No, for a bye.

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