Strictly Anonymous Confessions - 1363 - Matt Recently Got his Wife Into Hotwifing

Episode Date: February 10, 2026

Matt recently got his wife into hotwifing and he called in to talk all about it. Tune in to hear how and when and why they recently decided to open up their marriage, his one time hook up with a guy when he was younger and how his wife felt about it, what they went looking for when they went online, the first guy they met up with and why it didn’t work out, the nest three guys they met up with and exactly what went down and why those experiences weren’t ideal either,  the rules they had going in and what they were into and what they were not into, how involved he likes to get during her hook-ups, how he felt seeing his wife with all the guys, their reclaiming sex and how and why it’s so good even after the not so great experiences, how and why he hasn’t hooked up with any of the guys yet, how far he wants to go with a guy, their upcoming trip to Splash Mocha and exactly how they signed up for the event, how they got in touch with the people who are attending ahead of time including other couples and bulls plus a whole lot more. His wife Sarahs episode is taped already and will be out on Monday.   GET A COPY OF THE STRICTLY ANONYMOUS BOOK! Strictly Anonymous Confessions: Secret Sex Lives of Total Strangers. A bunch of short, super sexy, TRUE stories. GET YOUR COPY HERE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/4i7hBCd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ To see HOT pics of DOVE plus my other female guests + hear anonymous confessions + get all the episodes early and AD FREE, join my Patreon! It's only $7 a month and you can cancel at any time. You can sign up here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.patreon.com/StrictlyAnonymousPodcast⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and when you join, I'll throw in a complimentary link to my private Discord! To join SDC and get a FREE Trial! click here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.sdc.com/?ref=37712⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to SDC.com and use my code 37712   Want to be on the show? Email me at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and click on "Be on the Show." Want to confess while remaining anonymous? Call the CONFESSIONS hotline at 347-420-3579. All voices are changed.   Sponsors: ⁠⁠https://beducate.me/pd2605-anonymous ⁠⁠ Get your personalized road map to pleasure ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://loadboost,com⁠⁠ — To get 10% off LOAD BOOST by VB Health use code: STRICTLY ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://butterwellness.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Get the Butter massager and get 20% off your whole order ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bluechew.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — Get 10% OFF your first month of Bluechew GOLD! Use code: STRICTLYANON⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.quince.com/strictlyanon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ — For premium quality Quince clothing plus FREE shipping and 365 day returns Follow me! Instagram  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/strictanonymous/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/strictanonymous?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website  ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://www.strictlyanonymouspodcast.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Everything else ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/Strictlyanonymouspodcas⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠t Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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37712 or go to the description and click on the link and you'll be taken right there. Okay, today I have on Matt. Matt and Sauer were supposed to be on and you'll hear me like Midway decide that Sauer's coming on at a totally different time. because Matt and Sarah were going to call in and talk about them opening up their marriage or becoming a hot wife. They've had like three or they've had like four experiences with guys. It's super interesting story. And then they told me like in the middle of the call when I was about to get Sarah on that they were they were going to splash mocha literally tomorrow for like a whole New Year's Eve event. And so I decided to have Sarah call in because she's got a very interesting

backstory. She was not really vanilla before she met him. So we're going to talk to Sarah separately and get a whole episode from her. Once I found out they were going to splash smoke, I'm like, oh, I want that story too. So we're saving Sarah for another episode. Today you're going to hear all about Matt and Sarah's experience together from Matt's standpoint. It's interesting what got them talking about her being with other guys and they talk about

them opening up where they went online looking for guys, what they were looking for, what actually went down. They had four experiences. He talks about all those four experiences. None of them were that great. and he talks about why. There are a lot of red flags. And now, like I said,

they decided to, like, go to Splash Muka, which was actually a very smart idea for them because that's where they're going to meet some professional bulls. And we're going to get that story next. I will make sure that I air their episodes back to back. But, you know, Matt's side of the story of how and why they opened up, how he brought it up, what was going on with him, that he was interested in this whole hot wiping thing is super interesting.

And then he explains all this information about Splash Moka that I thought was super interesting. And he explains all their experiences they had with guys, which is super interesting because it was a lot of red flags, which I think are important to know so that you could learn from their, it wasn't really their mistakes, it was the guy's mistakes.

But anyway, you know, you're going to hear from Matt today and then I'll be airing his wife's episode soon after. But Matt's story, side of the story is super interesting. So I'm going to get right to and be right back on with Matt. Hi, Matt, Matt and Sarah, Sarah's sitting there in a car. You guys are in a car.

A lot of people talk to me in cars. It's kind of funny. You guys are sitting in your car, right? Your girl's next to you. we're going to talk to talk to her second because you are in a car and it's hard to do it on speaker phone. So we're going to get your backstory from you. You guys have like you're kind of newbies, which I love. I love talking to newbies because typically they remember all the beginning stuff,

which I think is super important and helpful for other people to hear like, you know, and learn from. But you guys recently started hotwifing. She's been with a bunch of guys. She has more of an interesting backstory than you do. So typically when I do couples, I do 30, 30, like 30 minutes. The guy, 30 Minutes the girl. I always leave the girl for last because most of my listeners want to hear from her the most. But maybe we'll do a little bit more with her because she does have an interesting backstory and some stuff.

She certainly wasn't in the lifestyle, but she was more out of the box than you were. She was less vanilla than you were, right? Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. So tell me, Matt, how long you guys been married for? Well, we've been together 12 years. Just married, though, the past year.

Oh, okay. Why decide to get married? to get married after 12 years. Why even bother? Why don't even bother? No, because maybe you were the couple that was like, who cares about being married? You know what I mean? That was exactly right. And then that just shifted in that we both thought that we didn't feel any pressure to get married, but it just, when we brought it up, the dynamic felt like a really good shift. And yeah, so we just did it. Yeah, I think it's kind of interesting.

I had a friend who was like never gave a shit about being married and whatever. And her guy really wanted to, so she did it. And she said she actually felt different. And she was, like, glad that she did it. You know, like there was some sort of difference, you know. So I think that's interesting that you both decided to change it all up and then just get married. And it was a good thing, right? Absolutely.

And the same shift, exactly. It's really kind of remarkable. Yeah, yeah. It's interesting. It's not just a piece of paper. Yeah, yeah. Okay, cool. So now you opened up recently, right?

Like, how long ago? Of, like, three or four months. Oh, my God. Okay. but they couldn't have just like, you know, listen, you opened up three months ago, but when did you guys start talking about it or did it come up? Like, I would assume it was like way before that. I don't know. You tell me. Well, like lots of couples who've spoken on your show, we definitely started talking about, you know, kind of more expansive kind of dynamics long before we opened it up. We talked about, you know, she's had a much more exciting past than I have. So I, and I just have a real appetite for. knowing as much as I can about that. I think it's hot. I think it's amazing that she had a really full and much more exploratory and dynamic sexual past than I did. So I found that to be really,

for me, really satisfying to know more and more. And in fact, just generally, I just want to know everything I can about who she is and what makes her tick. So exploring that past stuff is really part of our, just our dynamic, our conversation. Always since the beginning you're talking about. I would say pretty early on, yeah. But then more specifically in terms of kind of really wanting to know, kind of really know more about that, you know, the way she was with other guys before me and kind of understand that, that's been more recently.

I think it really kind of connects to another dynamic that's grown with us too, which is more of a dominant submissive dynamic where I'm definitely more dominant, especially in the bedroom and she's submissive. So really wanting to know everything about. her experience, what she's like in different scenarios, feeds for me an interest in how I think about being her dom and how I know her. And so it's sort of wrapped up in that as well. Did you always know that you were like a guy that was in the hot wiping thing? Did you know that about yourself? And did she know that about you? No, that definitely, she did not think

that for the time we're together I was into this, nor did I actually. This is, I said, it's really been more like a a discovery. Yeah, discovery, yeah, and kind of like barriers you just put up

because we're just, you know, we're just, none of us are, well, very few of us, at least we weren't raised to think that kind of being open in this way is healthy,

although we think it is, you know, you just sort of realize how many barriers to experiences you put up for yourself. And then, but then, so once you start playing around conversationally, then of course we listen to, then we started doing internet searches or listening to podcasts like yours.

And all of a sudden over, I wouldn't say overnight, but pretty quickly, these sort of interests become more normalized. And you hear other normal people having the same kind of interest or experiences, and then you start to see yourself as that being possible for you too. Okay. So you just knew you liked to hear about it. You didn't know it was a thing. You started talking more.

Like, what did the kids move out of the house or something that you guys started communicating more about sex? No, that's funny. No. just part of what part of this transition actually is, this is not going to shock you, but I'm also one of those husbands who calls on who a long time ago back when he was in college,

experimented with guys, and I was interested in doing that again. So she was open to it, and we started talking about how to make that happen and then thought in a male-female threesome scenario, that could be really interesting. And then it's just sort of honestly evolved from there. And I was not remotely uncomfortable thinking about her

with another guy. And, but, but that honestly has these other, like being very interested in her backstory, being interested in her pre, that, that's been there quite a while. Yeah, that makes sense. It all came together. Was it a one time thing for you? No, just one, one person. One person, though, for a while.

And did you, like, question your sexuality at the time? Like, how old were you when that happened? I was like, you know, like late high school, early college. I did not question my sexuality. It was just a thing we did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, a lot of, it's a lot, it's a thing that a lot of people do, just people don't talk about it.

You know, I just wonder if you were doing it, like at that time of those formative years, were you like, oh, maybe I'm gay, maybe I'm straight. Or you knew you were like into women, but you also knew you liked to be with guys for what, for whatever. Yeah. I mean, we spent most of our time pursuing women and then when we were bored, we'd do something else. Listen, I think, like I said, I think it's more common than people cop to, but there's just such a stigma that people. So why only that one time experience did you meet your wife like soon after? or something? No, no, it just, I mean, he and I just fell, you know, we just went on our separate ways. We just didn't have access to each other and just went off to different colleges and whatnot,

and that was it. And you weren't like into picking up guys for the experience. It just was it. It was like convenient and it just happened with him, but you weren't going to go out looking for it. Correct. Literally for decades and decades and decades. Yeah, crazy. But you had, I mean, obviously it was a good experience because so many years later you start thinking about it and you feel comfortable enough because you and your wife are always talking about sex to tell her about it. She knows and you're like, I want to kind of try it again with you. Yes, exactly right. Yeah.

And what was her, like, did you tell her early on in your relationship that you had been with a guy or is this something that you brought up around that same time? No, I told her early on, you're not at the guy a long time ago. And then you just brought it up out of nowhere saying like, like some, for some reason, recently you're like, I want to actually have that experience again. And she was down. And that brought up the hot wiping thing and brought everything together that you had always been into.

Yeah. I mean, it was, I mean, I told her that I had been before and that at some point I'd be interested in exploring that again, but it was no, I mean, it's no rush and no like, you know, panic. It's not identity crisis or anything

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It's not identity crisis or anything when I think, oh, I'm gay. It's just, that was fun. No, you want to dick again. Yeah. And so, yeah, so that was known early, but not because I felt like it was something that would guide our relationship, but just because we were really open and honest, very, very, from the very beginning in a super deep way. And it just felt odd to not tell her.

Yeah, and she was cool with it. I mean, no big deal. She was down. And then by the time you brought up that you actually wanted to experience, she was okay with that too. Now, how did she feel about it when you were like, oh, but, you know, I don't just want to hook up with the guy. I'd love to see you hook up with the guy, too. That was more, just more practical. Honestly, just more practical.

Like, I don't really want to just a little skeptical, kind of get on a grinder or whatever else. I'm just sort of trying to find some random do. We thought maybe we can do it a little bit more. This could sound dumb conventionally, like through a three-some, which doesn't sound super conventional. And that way she would, and then she could see if she would see if she kind of liked that dynamic. and if that did anything for her or not. I mean, we would also sort of explore a couple things at one time. And if it didn't, we wouldn't do it again.

What other things do you explore? Yeah. What other things were you exploring? You said we explored a couple things. Well, I mean, if we did it as a threesome, then I could sort of see if I still had kind of an interest in getting, you know, getting Dick that way. And she would see if she thought that was hot with me doing that. I could, you know, we could explore whether or not her with another guy was something.

You know, we could, that scenario gives us a lot of things. to explore. Of course. Just me finding a guy. And for you, it's like, like I said, you, you kind of realize, like, this brings everything together, like that, like that you had that kink. Like, you actually wasn't, it wasn't just going to be about you being with the guy. It was going to be maybe more exciting as well for you to see her with the guy.

Right. You realize that about yourself at that point. Yes, yes. And I had no, I mean, that was excited. Yeah, I had no reservations about that. And indeed it would be, I would like it. And whether or not she would, you know, she, I wasn't sure at the time if she would, She would be interested.

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I mean, because, you know, you're looking for a guy and it's not just for her. It's for you too, right? Like, did you guys kind of have the same taste in guys? Did you find out? Well, I mean, not really, honestly. Partly because it's kind of a, I mean, the sites, you know, you've heard from literally you've done 18 million podcasts. So you know that these sites are kind of hit or miss.

And the, you know, the guys are, you know, not always. Unicorns are called Unicorn for Reason. So, and that's actually, honestly, we've even kind of, we're even less. And at this point, we're not even really focused on me being with the guy at all. It's just moved into just because it's just, yeah. And it's because it's not, it's just turned out not to be the actually the dynamic we're most interested in exploring actually. That's interesting. I mean, it's interesting that you started out looking for that. But after a few experiences, you realize it's like something totally different that you,

you guys both are into. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. And yeah. And yeah. And in fact, the few guys we've, we've been with, I've not done anything with them. It's just been her. Let me ask you this, because there is such a stigma with guy and guy action. And sometimes when you put that in your profile, it like, you know, gets a lot, like a lot of people, I don't know, some people just hide that for a reason because some people are not into that, even though there's so many guys that are into it. Did you put it on your profile that you were by and looking for a guy in the beginning? Yes, we did. And that definitely, yeah, I mean, and that, because we, we were, but now, I'm much, yeah, because it's just, it just turns people.

off. Yeah. Isn't that that's not, if that's not something that's like a deal breaker force, which it isn't, there's no reason to turn those guys away.

Because you would be turning a lot of guys away. For her and you're down to just see her anyway. Yeah. It's interesting and that's just unfortunately what happens and there's still a such a stigma.

It's weird. Did you ever have your hook? Like, okay, let's walk through your experiences with guys. Like, was the first one with a guy that you hooked up with? I mean, did you ever have that

experience with you with the guy and her? No, no, no. Never had the experience with a guy. and her and I haven't had an experience with a guy for 30 some years. So it never happened again for you? Yeah. Interesting. Never happened again. Yeah. Okay. Nope. Let me ask you this. You're, because you've been able to see her with the guy and be the same room and I've had them, I'm assuming you've been there when she's hooked up with these guys. Yes. She's had a bunch of guys have like seeing it and being involved in and everything. Is that like fed your desires to be with Amanda that like you don't even have the desire anymore?

Yeah. You know, it definitely has. I wouldn't say it's a place. it totally, but it's definitely further minimized, kind of further minimized it mostly. She's only been a four guys since we started this. Yeah, that's a lot for three months. Well, I know a four sounds like a lot. It really... Not in a bad way. Not in a bad way.

But this dynamic is sort of in a good way, you know, taking up the oxygen, I think, in a good way. Yeah. Yeah, that's great. So, walk, have any of the experiences been good? One was, when we think, was good enough that we'd, that we would have him back. One of the experiences was good. The first one, the first one, partly, and this is something I just, I think is really interesting for her and I, for my wife and I is.

Along the way, we've ignored a few red flags that we shouldn't have, and we're definitely learning. One of the red flags we ignored early was the first guy we met met with came off as in text and whatnot. You know, he was talking about how dominant he was and how good he was and how good he was at everything. And like this position wizard. I mean, he was a, you know, and it was a little over the top. And he was very respectful and very nice and very responsive. But there were a few kind of red flags about maybe not listening to exactly kind of her and kind of what makes her tick. Oh, God.

That's bad. Well, pardon me? That's really bad. Yeah, and it wasn't disrespectful. just sort of like he would answer her with like his own version of it. So it wasn't exactly like he was ignoring her. It was just he kind of had the whole script written

out in his head before we even got together. And when we got together, that was obvious. He was just not there to, he just thought he was so great at everything that whatever he came, ready to do would work. And it just didn't. And he wasn't really that paying attention. And he just

sort of... Now I have some great bulls that have been on my show recently. Okay. And they teach the ways of like these guys and the way they're supposed to be. And that is like the antithesis. I'm sorry, that to me is very bad, actually. I know you don't think it's that bad, but it is. It's like, you know, being a bull or fucking a guy's wife 101.

Like, it's about the woman. You listen to her. It's about pleasing her. It's about knowing what she wants. It's about listening to her, the husband. You know what I mean? It's not about coming in and proving yourself as a dude. You know what I'm saying?

It's not. Yeah. That's bad. Yeah. No, that's, and well, we cut that pretty short and sent him on his way. Yeah. Once it became obvious that it wasn't really jiving. The second guy was a lot more attentive to her.

They had a lot better banter leading up to and chatting and texting, et cetera. But when they got together, and so one of the things we thought from the first experience was also maybe it might. And so we weren't sure if this first guy was just kind of all talk and no action or just maybe the dynamic with the three of us was throwing him off. So for the second guy, she met initially with him on her own. That did go a lot better in terms of responsiveness and them clicking, but he just sort of had a hard time kind of delivering, performing, how time performing? Yeah. And so she, yeah, it just didn't quite work out from him. He also kind of ghosted me in the conversation. He wasn't very connected to me. And that was another no, no, no. Yeah. And he would, again, if I said, hey, let's check in on this, he would write

right away, but like a two or three word answer. And that was just, again, a red flag. We kind of overlooked. The third guy was a total, total disaster. Also, one of these guys who talked about how he could really work magic in the bedroom was a total dog that could really make a woman. And he was just super cheesy and gross. And he was with us about seven minutes, I think, before we thanked him for his time and sent him on his way. Oh, my God. Okay, fourth one? Is fourth one the churn? Was he the okay guy? Was interesting because that was the person I had been chatting with him.

Yeah. And he was a little closer to our town than the other folks were. And he seemed respectful, but also a little, I would say, a little extra confident. But we had worked for two months on cultivating a connection with somebody who blew us off at the last minute. Literally just didn't show up when he was supposed to. Yeah. And so out of the blue, I texted this, this local. guy who'd I've been just

you know my wife had never connected with him at all like he's available this evening you want to give it a try and she said yes and he actually brought decent he brought it he did a good you know it was good it was a good nice enough chemistry to make it work and we would definitely have it have

we're definitely going to connect with him again let me ask you this what were your like rules and boundaries going into these experiences did you have any? So we had just a couple the first first for whatever reason we had the no kissing rule and that's just as weird to try to have sex without kissing. Yeah.

It's just, and so that was a, we threw that out. The most, the most strict rules we have are, you know, neither my wife or I are interested in humiliation or degradation or anything, anything like that. And also condoms, condoms, condoms, condoms, condoms, and, but nothing humiliating, degrading, degrading. And that's important because you are looking for someone to dom her, right? Like to be the dominant, right? So you just, that's like your boundary for that.

Yeah. And in fact, we don't really, I mean, if a, yeah, because I'm not a cuck. So we don't want any, I don't want, and she doesn't want our third, our third friend here to come in and sort of take over the scenario. Or we really want to somebody who's confident in what they're doing to match my level of confidence with her. So she really, that's what she really wants. But you have used the word Dom a lot in this conversation. And I think when you emailed me, like she had a Dom previously. You're like a Dom.

Dom. So there is a little bit of that dominating thing that you're looking for, right? And that she enjoys. But you don't want to be dominated. No, I don't want to be dominated. And actually previously, she was dominant to men. Oh, that's what. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, yeah. So, but in this case,

in our case with our thirds, yeah, we've really moved away from expecting and don't really need for that person to be, you know, in quotes, a dumb, but just really confident and in fact not think this is a cuck scenario where they're going to come in and start, you know, kind of moving me around, et cetera. That's not worrying too. And another question for you, like, during these hookups, are you fully involved, too? Is it like, you know, and did she go all the

way in these scenarios, a couple of them, a few of them? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She, yeah, they, they, she had sex with each of them. And the, the third guy, he was gone too early for me to get and you're engaged in. And the first guy, quite honestly. So, yeah, I haven't really played much, except for the, I was more involved with the, the fourth time I was there. But, you know, our, definitely our intention is for me to be more involved and hopefully find a guy where we feel like the three of us could really have a lot of fun together.

And jive and everything, like all together. Listen, sometimes people find that person right off the, I mean, I've heard every story, right? Sometimes people find that guy right off the bat. Some people, a lot of times have experience. is like yours where that's hard to find you know there's a lot of guys out there that and this is why I have a lot of bull episodes on I'm like and I'm always like I don't know why so many people don't listen to those episodes but those are the most educational and that's what guys should listen to if they want to fuck guys wives because there is an art to it and there's a reason why some are like

professionals and get passed around to people because they're hard to find you know the guys to do it right you know a lot of these guys think they're just going to go in and like fuck some guy's some guy's wife but like you got to make friends with the guy you have to listen to the what like there's an art to it you know and um You guys just haven't found that right person, but you eventually will. Well, that's why we're actually, the next thing we're doing is a hotel takeover with, with, that's organized with guys who are vetted and we have a strong confidence. We're going to find someone who's a bit more, you know, I wouldn't say professional,

but who knows what they're doing. It's going to be night and day for you. It's going to be night and day for you. Because it sounds like every single guy that you've been with has been like, it's like, you know, like you said red flag, because they're just like the, the 101s of what not to do they're doing. You know, it's like all the typical stuff that I've heard that is not right. You know, it's like the antithesis. So once you get in there with all the people that do it the right way, you're going to be like,

oh, this is what we've been looking for. And it's not that hard. I mean, I don't understand. Well, we're heading to Splash Moka. We think that will. Oh, yes. Oh, my God. All the guys that I've had on my show recently, the Bulls, they're all go to Splashmoka.

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And some of them have been in this lifestyle for a very long time. And it shows that they respect the whole, the entire, entire thing. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's like I said, that's what it's all about, especially with the husband. It's no different than if a woman's coming in as a unicorn. Like, if she avoids the wife and doesn't talk to her, you know what I mean? Like, that's not cool. So it's the same way with bulls with the husbands.

They need to communicate with them. They need to find out how the girl is into it. But you're going to have the, what are you going to Splash Moka? Do you know? Like, what the next? Are you going to the next one that they're having? We are the next one, yeah. When is it coming up?

We leave tomorrow. Oh, you're kidding. Oh, my God. You should have. Maybe we need to get your second half of this episode after your splash mocha event. I can't want to talk. Yeah, I mean, that would be a good, well, probably be a good idea, actually. Well, wait.

Wait, when are you, is it this weekend? How long is? Yes, it's this coming week. Yeah. Well, do you want to do 30 minutes your wife after Splash Moka? Like next weekend I could tape you. It'd be fun to do after Splash Moka because you'll have some more. I think it'll be like night and day.

I think it'll be super interesting, don't you? I'm down. I could squeeze you in because it's only 30 minutes. If that's, yeah. Well, we trust you. Okay. Okay, so this is what we're going to do. I'm sorry, everyone.

We're not going to hear from the wife to say you're going to have to wait a one week, okay? Like, I'm going to air your episodes like back to back. So people will hear it. You know, they'll get your wife right away. But we're going to do the whole episode with her backstory because she's got an interesting backstory. Why don't you just tease her backstory a little bit right now?

Matt. I'm sorry to say that again? Why don't you tease her backstory a little bit now? Yeah, explain a little bit about her way because we're going to do a whole separate episode with her. I mean, she was in the entertainment business, like adult entertainment business, right? Yeah. Yeah.

So, yeah. And this is actually before I knew her, but like I said, I've asked lots of questions and asked for lots of stories. She spent a good number of years as a dancer. And, you know, and just, you know, very straight dancing. But not ballerina, dancing, stripping. No, I'm sorry, dancing at a gentleman's club sort of environment. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, sorry.

It's okay. I didn't mean to be, no, no, no, as a stripper and dancer. She also worked as an illegal escort. No sex involved. Oh, okay. Just dates. Just dates. Really, no sex involved, just dates.

So what, she had sugar daddies? Maybe that's the better way to phrase it. You know, here and just, yeah, guys who just needed a eye candy on their arm. Interesting. I don't know. I guess, you know, listen, it's like gifts. They gifted her to just go out to places. Your wife really hot?

Yes, she is. My wife is very hot. And she, and she, she, she's very hot and she, she, she's very sultry and she looks like somebody you want on your arm if you were trying to make an impression. Yeah, interesting. What, oh, I can't wait to talk to her. I'll wait to talk to her to, like, the demographics of the guys that she was armed candy for and all that kind of good stuff.

You know what I mean? Like, that'll be, that's why I need a whole hour with her. But let's go back to you. So you, she's had these, like, four experience. Now, I know that none of them were totally. ideal, but you did get to see your wife with another guy and all that kind of stuff. Was there like great sex with her afterwards? Was it still a turn on for you? Like just thinking about it? How did you feel about seeing her? That's a lot of questions. Yeah, no, I can handle those. Those are good. I'll go kind of

work in reverse. How to handle seeing her? I loved seeing her. And it was really hot. And it was sort of a unfortunately kind of an imbalanced experience to a degree because I thought it was really hot. Even, you know, kind of thinking about the first encounter with the guy who really thought he was superman, super nice fella, but not quite as great as he thought he was. It was still hot for me to watch her and him together as they were sort of getting into it. She wasn't feeling, unfortunately, so it wasn't as hot for her, but it was very hot for me. And watching them, you know, watching her, you know, suck his dick. and things like, you know, things that, and, and that sort of thing.

And when it became obviously, he was just, like, not into it that, and sent him on his way. We had awesome reclaiming sex. And reclaiming sex has been the best in all of these scenarios. It's just been the best part of all that. And I have a strong suspicion when you talk to her, she'll say the same thing. Yeah, that's interesting. Even after, like, subpar experiences, it still adds to your guy's sex life afterwards. Right.

Yes, because the experience is shared, even though it's like because we are married and because we are so committed to each other and because we view everything we do as a joint, you know, as a shared experience. Because when you're married, it's really, I mean, to some degree impossible for a person, one of them, one of you to have an experience that the other doesn't have some sort of response to or impact in some way. It's just, it's just been really strengthening our connection, just even planning this, talking. about it, but just doing it together is something we're doing together. So the connection afterwards is, you know, five times what it was before we walk in the room. Even when it's bad, because then you're talking about how it was bad, because you're right there with each other. You both went through that experience together. And the after the bad ones, there's a bit of after the bad ones. There's a bit of aftercare that's necessary to really, you know. Yeah, explain that. Well, I want to make sure she

understands I wanted to make sure she feels the difference between the experience she's had with the guy who wasn't it wasn't very positive or very good and that you know a transition into our back into our connection

scraping kind of mentally scraping because they're very physical like they're on the bed there's smells on the bed so one of the things I did after the third guy was who was really just a kind of disaster we got out of the room in like seven minutes. She went to take a shower. Like I got new sheets from the, I got new sheets in pillowcases for her, for us, for the bed, just so she wouldn't even smell

the guy anymore on the, on the bed. I mean, I just want to make sure she really knew that she was transitioning back into our, our connection and not distracted by, you know, this other guy who had been there. And because that was, because it wasn't a positive. If it was, if it was really positive, maybe that, then that would be hot. Yeah. Reminness might have been hot, right? Yeah, of But so that's what I mean. Aftercare requires, you know, sensitivity to kind of how to move her from one physical experience into the next in a way that feels the most positive and connected for both of us. Were any of those guys, because in the beginning, when you did go on a friend finder, you were looking for a guy for you to hook up with too. Were any of those four guys that you wound up meeting up with by at all or no? No, the first guy was open to it, and he'd be, he would have been fine if I had done something with him, and kind of likes that dynamic of having the husband's play, but not really.

And had had had a long term, he was a bull for like a long term for a couple, and he did have the guy do some stuff as well. But that wasn't primarily what he's about. He really wanted to be with. how come do you how come you didn't take that like opportunity to have a hookup with a guy considering he was okay with it it could have been your time to like get you know scratch that it's like why do you think you didn't go for it were you not attracted to the guy well no he was he's plenty of attractive it's we we started and the plan for that encounter was they would start you know trying to build some chemistry and get things going and then we'd sort of see

where it went from there. It just again was kind of pretty early into their building chemistry and getting into each other that we realized he wasn't listening and wasn't and was just really not a good match for us. So that's why we ended that and he left before we

can do anything. Because he wasn't really pleasing your wife and that wasn't a good experience. You weren't going to hop in there and get your own. That's right. Yeah, that makes sense. If he's not connected to her, he's leaving. Yeah, yeah, you're not going to like take that opportunity to suck a dick and fuck her. Exactly. Exactly.

Yeah, that makes sense. So, and then none of the guys after that were, and then you eventually, like, you change your profile just so that you could get more guys on the table. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And that's right. And because it's, uh, it's just, it's such a stigma and turn off for some guys. And it's not, like I said, it's not something that has to happen with us.

So we don't want to minimize the pool because it's already not huge to begin with. Yeah. People you actually want to share your wife with. I mean, it's all right. I mean, it's okay to be picky about who you share your wife with. So it's not a complaint. It's just, you know, not a huge pool. Yeah, totally.

I mean, you know, when, and it's weird that though that there's, like, stigma. It is, though, still on the table. Like, if you met the right guy and they were down, which you don't know that. That might happen because I'm sorry. Like, my show is here to say there's plenty of guys that are into guys, you know, just a lot of people don't, a lot more people don't cop to it. Look, you even took it off your profile, but you're down. How many other people don't have it on their profile that are down?

You know, it's just like this hidden secret thing that a lot of people don't advertise, that it, you know, it's very possible that it would come up. And are you, is there a part of you that wants it to? I would be, I think at the moment, if it came up and my wife was, you know, at the moment felt cool with it. I felt cool with it. Then I would be, I would be interested. It's just, it's really moved off of something we're planning around or even just assuming might happen. It would, but if it came up organically, then absolutely that's, that's a, possibility. I'd be interested. But it's, we're just not planning around it or even

building it into the equation. When you were with that guy, were you a top, were you a bottom, were you a verse? Were you vers? We only did. We just did oral. Oh, okay. And is that all you're down for? That's a lot of guys. That is all I'm down for. Yeah, isn't that interesting? So many guys, I tell my straight friends all the time and who knows if they're really straight, but I'm always like, if you just want a blowjob, there's so many guys out there just want to suck a dick and they don't even care if their dick gets sucked. That's exactly right. Right. It is. Is that interesting?

Yeah, I've found from your podcast and others that there are lots of us out there. Yeah. I did not know that. Yeah, I think the straight guys got to get in line to get the blow jobs because most of the guys like you don't care about receiving. They just want to give. So there's a lot of givers and not a lot of receivers. Yeah, it's a weird dynamic. I don't mean a weird in a judgment way, but you wouldn't have imagined it to be that way.

Yeah, isn't that interesting. That's why I think, you know, straight guys, quote unquote, should hop in, you know, just because they could just get free head at all times. Yeah, that's super interesting. So if it would happen, and so you don't ever, though, have any desire to do anything more than that? That's correct.

Yeah, no. Yeah, interesting. And so your wife, so now that, what was that last experience for your wife with the fourth guy? How long ago? November. Okay, and we're in December.

Yeah, late October, early November. So recently, do you have any other guys planned up besides Splash Mocha? And you're talking to a bunch of guys right from SplashMoka? I wonder if any of them have been on my show because I know the professionals that work there. I, you know, one of the things that's been complicated about talking to guys in Splash Moka is that they, that there's a Mocha website and they have usernames there. Then you use maybe a service like telegram or something to talk with a different username. And then they have a third nickname.

So it's hard for me to keep them straight. Oh, my name alone. Yeah. But I think I do, I think I heard someone recently who on your show who I think we've been communicating with. Who, which one? I don't, I can't remember his name. I remember thinking, sounds like one of the guys I've been talking to. Yeah.

We also occasionally listen to the two different podcasts for folks who are very Mocha focused. I think the O-Faces podcast. That guy was on my show. Yeah. That guy was on. Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Moka.

We've not been talking to him. But I'm sure he's a, just not. Not one of the people I've been connecting with. Yeah, but there's a Bull Brother podcast too, the Bull Brotherhood. Yeah, that's right. Those guys, yeah. Yeah. So, but talking to, yeah, so there's no, the local guy who was our fourth, who we just sort of

spur of the moment and it went pretty well. I think we'll see him again at some point. Just the timing hasn't worked out. Well, listen, you were going to the top of the mountain, going to Splash Moka. Okay. After all of these, like, subpar experiences, like, it's really smart that you guys just abandoned, you know, your website and went straight to Splash Moka because I feel like that's going to really change the game for you guys and up your expectations with other bulls when you're,

you know what I mean? You might be like, oh, why bother with that guy when we could have someone so much better, right? Because Splash Moka is where it's at and you're going to see a very different experience. How did you, like, I think it's like, let's spend the last 10 minutes like talking about how you found out about Splash Moka, how you started getting involved in their telegram group and all that kind of stuff. Because I think a lot of people, whenever I have, have people talking about it, want to know more detail. So why don't you explain how you even got involved in it? Well, we, as we being exploring this, we started, you know, you just, I hear about it. Yeah, we just sort of listened to podcasts on like the Stagvixen lifestyle, hot wife lifestyle,

you know, kind of whatever the framework of the podcast or maybe blog might be. Yeah. And people would mention lifestyle events, clubs, parties, hotel takeovers, things like that. And so as we kind of heard more of these opportunities mentioned, we talked about, I don't know, maybe we might want to try something in that zone. Yeah. And so we, so we did a little research, you know, just sort of started doing Google searches, et cetera, and found that people tended to have really positive things to say about hotel takeovers versus clubs or parties, depending on the night or the mix, might be a little

more hit or miss. So the hotel takeover strategy seemed to be, for a lot of what we're reading, very effective. Yeah. And so we saw one in Miami in May, which we, so we booked that one first, although it's not till May, as a, as a, well, let's try it. And so, and then, so we found that online, and that was our first thought. But then we kept thinking, you know, as during the search, we also saw that there was one coming up in January, well, December, January, the splash mocha event. And I don't, I don't remember it was me or my wife, but I was, I was thinking, I think it was probably me. I'm kind of more anxious to get jumped into this

than waiting all the way till May. Yeah. I just couldn't wait that long to see if that was a strategy for us. So we said yes to this event here coming up in the next couple days. Just really again to do exactly what you're saying, kind of elevate our engagement to have more choices, honestly, in front of us, that we can find better matches to what I think is the right kind of, you know, person to connect her with and I with.

So yeah, so it's just really searching and kind of a lot of reading on blogs and responses and listen to podcasts and what people's positive experiences have been and then try to find those, you know, then try to find, okay, great, what's available. We have thought about a club or. No, but let me know, stay with Splash Moka. So you find the event online. I guess it's splashmoka.com you found it on. Yeah, I think that's the website. Okay, so how do you start talking, though, to the guys that are there? Like you said, you threw out there like, yeah, we've been talking to a bunch of guys who are going to be there.

Like, how do you get involved? Like, how is that the next step once you sign up for the event? You get in touch or put on a list with all the people that are attending? So, yeah, actually, so when you sign up for the event, you create a profile, of course, for, you know, either the husband and wife will create a profile or the bull will. And then the website is set up. So when a new profile is created, it gets populated in the new members section. people, you know, are checking who the new members are fairly frequently, especially as you get closer and closer to an event. And so you can put in your profile that you're new, how many

splashes you've been to before, what you're looking for, what your dynamics are, who you are, anything, you know, just obviously similar to any, any of these sort of websites with profile information. Yeah. Yeah. And you might put a picture or two up or 50, however, whatever you're comfortable with. And so what starts happening is you start getting notifications, something's liked your photo, someone wants to be friends, someone wants to meet. So people start reaching out to you, especially new people, I think. I've picked up newbies to the community or very, people have been remarkably helpful and just sort of saying, hey, whether we meet or not, if you have any questions. And so just people started reaching out. And then I would write back

and say, we'd love to know more. It's our first time. We're very new to the lifestyle. We've never done an event. Tell us what we should know. And you just started, and then that's how you sort of organically start meeting people through the website like that. And then they'll might say, hey, let's move this conversation to Telegram because the website, you know, is just not as not as conducive to quick chatting exchanges as something like Telegram or Messenger. So, but mostly people reaching out initially to us and saying, welcome, you know, love to meet or at least say, hey, when you're at the event, you know, welcome to the community. And people have just been really welcoming and reaching out. And that's how most of these conversations started.

And then as I, and we would go through and look at, you know, the members who are going to the event, we might see a few. We just, you know, on the site say, hey, hit friend or send a message. Hey, if you want to talk, hit us up on telegram. And, yeah, talk to at least 20, maybe 25 different guys. And then also some couples who are veterans who've seen us have, who are new. And they just reached out and said, hey, we're a vet couple. Let us know. We'll say hi and we're there.

Any questions you have to make the most out of your experience, we're happy to help. that's kind of amazing that it's all in this one place. You get sort of connected with all the right people, right? It like, you know, it sort of weeds out all the other nonsense because you're all there for the same thing, right? It's a hot wife experience, splash mocha, and you're put in touch with the bulls, other couples. I mean, it really is great. And like right away, you're like connected to 25 people. Yeah, no, that's exactly right.

And the idea that we're going to be in a place and an environment where everyone, like you said, has the exact same goal is, I think, going to be probably one of the most interesting parts of the experience. Because this isn't something you can talk about with lots of people, typically at least we can't. This isn't something that, you know, kind of a focus on this theme is really acceptable in kind of spaces that haven't been really carved out and sort of blocked off for this kind of experience. So I think we're going to find it pretty rewarding just to be in that space. Yeah, I think that it's amazing. I think that that's really smart. I love that.

You know, sorry to everyone the thought they were going to hear from your wife. I decided midway that we were going to get her whole backstory, which is super interesting. I can't wait to ask about her arm candy guys that she was, as well as your whole experience at Splash Moka. I cannot wait. Make sure you remember names of people. I want to see if there are guys that have been on my show because I talk to the professionals. And they're super charming and they're great. and they're really thoughtful

and I feel like you're going to have such an opposite experience there and it's going to be so fantastic and it really is the smart thing to do and listen I think you gave real like I never knew that when you go onto the website that you get connected

are there pictures does everyone have their pictures on there and stuff? Yeah everyone has at least one profile picture but most members have whatever five that's great literally 100. Yeah that's amazing

so you literally see all the people that are going to be there you get in touch and people start reaching out. I love that. It's like this little community. Like I said, so many times when people talk about Splash Moka,

people want to know more information. And nobody really ever explained it like you did. So that was like sort of key and really super interesting. And now we're going to get the whole story about your wife with, with your, like we're going to get the whole experience like super fast. Thanks so much, Matt, for calling in.

Sarah's sitting right there. We're going to get her whole back. And you're, you know, the whole event, Splash Muka. next. I'll air your guys episodes back to back so people don't have to wait that long. But anyway, Matt, thanks so much for calling in and giving me your whole backstory. And I look forward to talking to Sarah. Thanks so much. Thanks, Kathy. Take care. Bye.

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